EXCLUSIVE: Saving Our Children With Legal Expert Liz Yore
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Liz Yor is a child rights advocate who has dedicated her life to fighting for the rights of all children. In this episode of The John Henry Weston Show, Liz shares her story of how she became a child advocate and how her faith has guided her throughout her life.
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And so for me, you know, seeing the potential of these great Catholic boys being robbed from
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certainly not all the priests, obviously not, just broke my heart.
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Hello and welcome to a very special episode of The John Henry Weston Show. You know,
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a lot of you know faith and reason very well. And on faith and reason, we have Liz Yor,
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Father Altman, sometimes Jack Maxey, whenever he chooses to join us. But how many of you know
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Liz Yor very well? I don't know. I think everybody knows she's a child's rights lawyer and she's been
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involved with many, many things. And she's an awesome spokesman for faith, defender of life,
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faith, family, and freedom, particularly children, and just deplores abortion for what it is.
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And is a great pro-life leader as well. But I wanted you to get to know Liz Yor a little bit
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more in depth from her homeland, where she spends a lot of time working to rectify what's going on
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right behind us. So why don't we start there? And we'll have you stay tuned for this episode
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this perilous time. May God bless you. Liz Yor, welcome to the program. Oh, it's great to be here,
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especially in front of the White House. Let's begin as we always do at the sign of the cross.
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In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen. Now, our producer,
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Jim Hale, will not let me get away with asking you, not asking you first, about who do you think
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is going to be in there in 2024? Oh my goodness. One never knows. Life is changing as quickly as
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possible. You know, my audience at Faith and Reason probably doesn't know that I was weaned on
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politics in the big shoulder city of Chicago, or as we now call it, the belly of the beast,
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only to be seconded by Washington, D.C. But I always feel at home here in Washington because
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politics is in my blood. And one of the things that I think is so important are the issues that
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we talk about in Faith and Reason really intersect with politics. You know, we talk about abortion.
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We talk about all the politicians, you know, the Catholic politicians. And so, you know, as someone
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who loves politics and loves the church, to be right in front of the White House today,
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talking about issues that we care deeply about, is my idea of heaven.
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And it is sort of heaven we want to talk about as well. Because one of the things
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that I want to give you at the John Henry Weston Show, I really am blessed. I get to introduce
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you to the most amazing people. People that are so stunning, that have helped my faith life.
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And this is one right here. Liz Yor has been an incredible example for me, an example of courage.
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But I want to find out with you more about her background. Where did Liz Yor, the great
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Catholic activist, come from? And how did she get there?
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Well, I guess start from the beginning. I'm the oldest of six children. And my father's a lawyer.
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So as the oldest of six, I guess, you know, it's natural that I become a child advocate.
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I've been hurting children ever since I was, you know, five years old. And so it was a natural
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for me to get involved not only in the law, but also in child advocacy. And it's been a great
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experience. I've worked in missing children. I've worked in child welfare, in children who are part
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of the welfare system. I've worked in media, worked for Oprah Winfrey for six years, and done a lot of
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international child abduction and child exploitation work. So it's, I never in a million years thought
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that, you know, at the end of my career, I would be so involved in church work. Because obviously my
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faith and St. Michael, my two, I always say my two investigative reporters, my researchers,
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my detectives are St. Michael and St. Anthony. They helped me find children. And so here I am,
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you know, talking about many of the same issues, but vis-a-vis the church. And what's really important
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to me is that, and I've also been involved in many, many clergy abuse scandals, and as heinous as that
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is, and really to your audience, John Henry, I think it's important for people to know, many people
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have walked away, as we know, from the church because of the scandal. And what I learned talking
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to victims of clergy abuse was not what I expected to learn. I realized that we need to look at the church,
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as if it was our family. We need to protect the church, look out for the church, as if, you know,
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it's our children. And so for those of us that may have fallen away from the faith, and then came back
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to the faith, we need to absolutely be vigilant about the church. And so, you know, praise God,
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that's what we're doing in Faith and Reason, really bringing, you know, my perspective as a child
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advocate, as an attorney, as somebody who has really seen, you know, the belly of the beast of the church
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in trying to encourage everybody to learn about the faith. You know, and you can read and talk about
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the saints and learn about the saints and read all the encyclicals and go to Bible study, and you will
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never, ever get to the depth of the beauty of the faith. So for those that are away from the church
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and having understood, you know, how heinous the clergy abuse scandal is, I really, we need you back
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in the church. Fallen men, evil men who destroyed lives of these beautiful little boys, and there's
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nothing worse. However, to give up on the church and to give up on the magnificent faith that's really
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been a legacy for us. And, you know, I was lucky to know both my grandparents, they were both on both
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sides, devout Catholics. We had nuns on one side, many, many priests on the other side. I remember the
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family rosary, daily mass. And so I was given a gift that I really, I can't just throw away,
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and I want to pass it on to my children and to my grandchildren. So for that reason, it's been
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a gift from God being on faith and reason to work with you. I'm Jack Maxey and Father Altman. We have
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a lot of fun. We do indeed. One of the things that people see you as a very courageous woman,
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as one willing to step out. You've described your work with the most horrible things, the abuse
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scandals, things that would normally totally turn people off the faith. But your faith is solid as a
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rock. In fact, it seems to get stronger as the times get worse. What is that? How did you get there?
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Well, that's a good question. I did have a crisis of faith when I was working as general counsel of
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the Illinois Department of Children and Family Services, met 50 to 100 victims of clergy abuse.
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All were men, all in their 40s, 50s, and 60s, hearing these horrible stories. And I was just about ready
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to say, that's it. You know, how could a loving God allow this to happen? And what I realized,
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after venting to the Lord in prayer, I realized if we don't step up and be involved to cleanse and
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purify our church in whatever way, whether it's through prayer, whether it's through the sacraments,
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rosary, whether it's through advocacy, whether it's keeping eyes on the altar and speaking out,
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then the church won't thrive. And so as much as it's very easy to say, you know, and it is easy,
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you can say there's plenty of reason to walk away. What happened to me is I doubled down on my faith
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and on getting involved. And interestingly, I, as a result of that, decided I was going to be involved
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in the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences and attend their human trafficking conference. Human
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trafficking is an issue that I've been involved in. We've had some success. I know how difficult it is
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to save kids, rescue kids. And so when Francis in 2013 became Pope and started talking about human
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trafficking, I thought, oh, he's talking about an issue I care deeply about. This is the church
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getting involved in human trafficking to end it, this horrible scourge. So, you know, Francis always
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says, God of surprises. Well, I did, you know, I did go to the Vatican in November of 2013. I met the Pope.
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I was in his presence for 20 minutes. I attended the conference and what happened was, as I've told
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many times, my soul was rattled. I went there and heard about climate change. I didn't hear about
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human trafficking. I went there and I was surrounded by radical leftists from the UN and from radical NGOs.
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In fact, I had a friend at the conference who's an American friend and it was, there was only 80
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people there from around the world by invitation only. And he turned to me at one point in the
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conference and said, are we the only pro-lifers here, Liz? Well, that sums up the conference. And
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so I was shaken. But again, I thought, well, maybe it's me, you know, maybe I can't trust my instincts.
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But what happened on the plane back, and I remember distinctly on the plane back to Chicago from Rome,
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I said, I'm going to watch this papacy. I'm going to study what's going on. Every paper, every conference,
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every document, every speech, I'm going to scour. No, I've never, you know, I've been too busy
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practicing law to really, you know, scrutinize what's coming out of the Vatican. But that was kind
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of my promise to God after, you know, the horrible clergy abuse scandal is to be vigilant. And as a
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result, I started down this course of, you know, criticizing, commenting, really trying to be an
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activist with respect to what's going on in this papacy. I've learned a tremendous amount. I've
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also learned about some great popes and read some things that I've never read before, and learned
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about all sorts of Freemasonry and all sorts of historical things in the church. I've become a
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student of my faith for the first time. And to think that I might have walked away because of the
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clergy abuse, it was just, you know, and because I'm kind of free to speak the way I want to speak
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freely, and thanks to LifeSite News, of course, I can call it as I see them. And I want to awaken
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the faithful to what's going on in this global reset. And what I view as the really pivotal role
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that's being played by the Vatican in the global reset, which is in many respects, they're providing
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the moral voice of the New World Order. And to me, that's shocking. And I just, I can't remain silent.
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And so as a result, that's, you know, it's, it's just a strange and curious path. I've traveled,
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you know, I still am waiting for them to do something about human trafficking, and then
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they haven't. So that's kind of, you know, my involvement in how we met and how, you know,
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being a child advocate lawyer, which I thought I would be till, you know, I'm six feet under,
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I still am. But now I'm fighting for the church.
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So one of the things about you, Liz, is that you, despite all the, I want to say H-E double
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hockey sticks, his father would put it, you remain faithful. You also, for all of your learning and
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your prowess in the legal field and everything else are very humble. And I think that touches a lot of
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people. I wanted to ask if you could share it about your prayer life, because that does not come
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normal. That doesn't, that's not just handed to you. It's, that's hard fought and hard won.
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Would you mind telling us about your prayer life? Sure. I can always pray more. Let me just say that
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the outside. But daily mass, I have an amazing prayer group that I'm part of in my parish of
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women and a few men that are just prayer warriors. You know, we, my husband and I say the morning,
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the rosary every morning, get a cup of coffee and light some candles. It's just the perfect way to
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begin your day. And we, you know, those that we know who are sick or struggling, we mention in our
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rosary, and then we're off to mass. We also say a second rosary. And I have to thank Jim Caviezel
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for that, because he talked, he talked at some conference that I went to about the importance
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of saying as many rosaries as you can. And that he's, I think he said that he spoke, prayed two rosaries.
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So we say a rosary, um, at night. I also say a rosary with my prayer group at daily mass. So,
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um, I get, you know, normally get three in, um, and, um, you know, I have a devote devotion to a lot of
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saints, um, devotion to the Holy face, um, which, um, is growing leaps and bounds. Thank you, John Henry,
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for making that happen. Um, you know, these are all things that I didn't know about growing up,
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even though we had to, I was educated for, uh, let me see, 18 years in Catholic schools,
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you know, including law school and college. So, um, I didn't know about the Holy face. I didn't
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know about divine mercy. Um, I've really dug into, you know, the saints. Um, my dad's name is Thomas
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Aquinas. So I haven't, maybe I'm, you know, I don't, you know, I'm, I'm going to be not humble,
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but I'm going to be honest. I don't think I've tackled Thomas Aquinas. You know,
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I know somebody said, I always have Thomas Aquinas on my nightstand. It'd be the first
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time I'm going to write to sleep with Thomas Aquinas on my nightstand. So, um, you know,
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so I, you know, there's just, you know, the prayer warriors out there on the internet and,
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you know, people who have been generously sharing information, um, talking about,
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you know, orders of nuns that they love and priests. And, you know, it's just,
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it's begun this community of, um, faithful that is just extraordinary. So, um, I hope and continue to
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hope and pray that I will have more and more devotions. Um, you know, I just, I'm just amazed
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at the gift of my faith and that at my age that I continue to learn so much and really, frankly,
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knew so little. And, um, so anyway, so that's my prayer life. Um, and, um, you know, I'm very big
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on the rosary and the blessed mother, of course, I'm just, and our house that you, you know, you can
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see, we, we have St. Joseph's statues and I also, and a friend gave me, I have no relics and a friend
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gave me, um, Pius X's relic, which is on my table right next to the Holy Face, um, picture. Uh, so,
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uh, and, and as a result, I read everything that, um, Pius X has written, you know, interesting,
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I'm sure this impacts you too, as well. You know, I can read a book and then three years later, I go
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back after having the experiences and then I reread the book and I go, I miss that whole, that whole
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section. It's just, it's through new eyes. And, um, as a result of that relic, I was at the time
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reading, um, the oath on modernism and, um, he's just so brilliant, such a brilliant Pope. Um, and
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then this friend gave me the relic and I was like, oh my goodness, the coincidence, you know? Um, so, um,
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that's kind of, you know, that's in a nutshell. Um, you know, I'm always, I'm always, you know,
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trying to be a better human being, better Catholic, um, better wife, mother, grandmother.
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It's one of the things I think, um, I always just think we go to the saints. Sometimes now,
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I think the saints choose us. And so, you know, cause you got, well, literally, you know,
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when I was looking for missing children, which is oftentimes looking for a needle in a haystack
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and I would knock on a lot of doors, including the FBI. And many times the FBI would, you know,
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we don't do that when in fact they did do that. And more often than not, the law enforcement agent
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after knocking on a lot of doors would be the Catholic. Let's say, okay, Liz, let's work this
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case. I can help you. I got some angles. And so, you know, that was to me very interesting. I mean,
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to a case every time there was a, um, holy devout Catholic who would go the extra mile,
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who cared. Um, and, and I really do believe it was Saint Michael who protected me because you're
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looking for, you know, predators who are hiding children. And it was Saint Anthony who, um, literally
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plucked these children out of obscurity, um, who were gone forever. Um, and so, um,
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I was just merely a tool. Um, and so I would really urge people to call on the saints. Um,
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if you have a favorite or if you're reading about the saints and one just kind of tugs at your heart,
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um, go with it. Of course, Saint Michael has been, you know, Saint Michael will be nice every day
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because he, he's just, especially in these times, you know, standing in front of the White House,
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we serve this country needs Saint Michael in the Blessed Mother. Um, and we have to get on our knees
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and invoke the saints, especially him, and especially the Blessed Mother and her son. Um,
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and you know, it's what gives me peace. You know, we talk about things in the show, don't we, that are
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just, you know, kind of, it'll shake you to your core. But, um, when you have faith, you can just
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plow ahead, um, know that we're in God's hands, um, knowing that if we get weak need, we just, you know,
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pray harder, um, double down. Um, and so really, I would really urge people, um, you know, and I,
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you know, coming from a big family and having seen everything that's gone on, you know, the darkest,
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darkest, um, parts of the church. Um, I've seen the glorious parts of the church and it's, you know,
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evil. The devil has infiltrated certain parts of the church and what he wants, his goal is for us
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to walk away. Um, and so, um, no matter how long you've been away from the church, you've got to come
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back. The beauty, the consolation, the comfort, um, you know, bringing healing to yourself and the family,
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in the family, you know, it's, um, you know, AA, you know, the, in the AA, they always talk about
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belief in a higher power, you know, and, um, by coming back to the church and, you know, you're
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going to have to do some work. You're going to have to find a parish you like and, but you're going to,
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God's going to plop you down in a place with people who support you and love you and pray for you.
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Um, and I think in this time, John Henry, especially now with things being so crazy,
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it's really important to have a group of people that you trust implicitly. You know, you know,
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I read a lot, you know, my free time about the resistance movement during World War II
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and the importance of trusting people, um, that they see the world through your eyes,
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through the eyes of Christ, um, that they be willing, that the, the recommendations, the advice,
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the prayers are in your best interest. Um, we're, we're going to need that. Um, and, and plus the
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sharing of information. I mean, with COVID, with the vaccines, with everything that's been happening,
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the fact that we have a network that has got their tentacles out, you know, in the, um,
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cyber sphere, looking for information. Um, and you know, it's really critical. So for me,
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I think the prayer group, um, my friends at church, uh, knowing that they've got my back,
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um, that it's, it's a real consolation during a time when, you know, it's pretty dark.
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Um, indeed, indeed. One of the things you said there was just a tool, uh, in the hands of God.
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That's the most beautiful thing to be that you could ever be. Um, but one of the things you said was
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know when God tugs at your heart. I think a lot of people want to know what that is because
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trying to understand how God speaks to us, he does, but you've got to hear it in hearing. It's
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difficult because it's not like he knocks on your head and says, hello, John Henry, wake up.
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It's much more subtle than that. In your own experience, if you can tell us about that.
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Sure. Um, sometimes it's, it is subtle. Um, and sometimes it's not, you know, I oftentimes
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say the blessed mother will take my head and go, you know, this way, Liz, you know, after a rosary
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or saying the rosary. And I, I write some articles we speak and, and I will have this thought that
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isn't my thought. I'm like, where did that come from? You know? So it's, it's, you know,
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that's why I encourage people, you know, it can be something as, you know, send flowers to this person
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or, you know, something that we're talking about on the show. Um, but, um, I think, you know,
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the blessed mother, like any mother, you know, gives us good, healthy advice. Um, and for me,
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sometimes it would just come, you know, with a phrase, a word, a thought. Um, and with respect
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to kind of that moment and, you know, I talk about it a lot, that moment where I was ready to walk
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after, you know, seeing, you know, and, and to those out there, um, this is how the, you,
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when I was interviewing victims of clergy abuse, who were 50, 60 year old men, and they would say
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to me, Liz, I was a seventh grader. I was getting straight A's. I was captain of the basketball team.
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I was head of the crossing guards. Um, I just, I had a million friends and then I was abused by
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father and I stopped studying. Um, I dropped out of school. I started drinking, using drugs. Um, and
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then, then it would be either, you know, went to prison, um, became mentally ill, uh, you know,
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all the consequences that happened. And so for me, you know, seeing the potential of these great
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Catholic boys being robbed from certainly not all the priests, obviously not, um, just broke my heart.
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Um, and so I really felt self-righteous and I thought, you know, your God, this is, you know,
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it was the potential that was lost. And of course, many of them killed themselves. Um, which is kind of
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an untold story about, and one guy would say to me, no, I didn't commit suicide, but Johnny, who was being
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abused with me, committed suicide. And, you know, his mother never knew what happened to him. And,
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um, he said, I probably should tell his mother what happened to him, that it wasn't something she did.
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So, so anyway, so in that mode of being very self-righteous, it was, it was like a lightning bolt,
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you know, that I was, you know, just confident that I had done my utmost to help these people,
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to try and clean up the church. And, um, God had more work for me to do. And that was the last
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thing I expected. The last thing. I just, you know, just the last thing. So I realized, I said,
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why didn't anybody tell us when we were going, your job is to love the church, be vigilant on the church,
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protect the church, speak up for the good and the, and against the bad. Um, no one ever told us that.
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And yet that's really what God expects us to do. Just like, you know, the disciples, if you read
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the Bible, you know, they're correcting one another, they're correcting, you know, heresy,
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they're, you know, telling each other to pray harder, um, to get rid of that person, them,
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and you know, now, well, so it took, it took that, but it was a total surprise.
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Um, and, um, I'm so grateful because, you know, not only personally, you know, to be in, you know,
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in the bosom of the church, but also, you know, intellectually and spiritually to have learned
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so much about the faith, um, because of that. Um, and, and I realized, you know, as you don't know,
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anything, you know, and, and so, um, it's an ongoing, as you know, it's an ongoing study.
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You know, you read these books, oh my gosh, the saint, these people who, you know, in Chicago,
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you know, Mother Cabrini, um, Catherine Drexel, I mean, the hospitals and orphanages and schools
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and monasteries that these women built and they built this, this civilization in America.
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They're like, what am I doing? I mean, it was just, it's incredible to me to read,
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you know, oh, they started this order and this order and, you know, the hundreds of women and,
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um, you know, so it's, uh, it's the standard by which, you know, we need to judge ourselves,
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right? If we're to grow the church, um, and no other religion, no faith has any, has these saints,
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um, and our modern day saints, like, you know, Padre Pio, you know, all, um, and I,
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we have this beautiful national shrine not far from my house of Maximilian Kolbe. And so I go there,
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it's 24 seven adoration. And, um, there's a, there is, um, both a museum of the, of, uh,
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Maximilian Kolbe and also, um, you know, with his cell where he was in. And so you just read about,
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you know, this is the beauty of the faith. It just, it, you know, gives strength, um, and,
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you know, miracles happen. So, I mean, um, that's, you know, a God of surprises. That's about the only
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thing I agree with Francis about. Um, but, um, yeah, that's, that's how I got, you know,
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to stand in front of the White House with John Henry Weston.
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And that, my friends, is why Liz Yor is with us on Faith and Reason. Liz, thank you so much.
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And God bless all of you. And we'll see you next time.
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