The John-Henry Westen Show - EXPOSED： Euthanasia In Canada Is Now Disguised As Palliative Care

00:00:00.000 Romans based their teachings on Seneca, the philosopher, who said it was noble to kill yourself if you were sick, if you were feeble-minded, if you were handicapped.

00:00:16.040 So modern—the Christians opened up hospitals, clinics connected to churches, and they cared for people.

00:00:25.460 Even during the plague in Carthage, it was Christians who sacrificed themselves to care for those who were sick.

00:00:39.200 Canada as a country tries to keep preachers from going extinct.

00:00:43.840 We have saved the seals, saved the whales, and so on.

00:00:46.540 But one of the things that, at least in today's Canada, they're trying to make extinct is pro-life doctors.

00:00:54.480 We've got one of those nearing extinction creatures with us today.

00:00:57.920 His name is Paul Saba.

00:00:59.040 He's got a new book out called Made to Live.

00:01:01.680 He's not afraid to live out his pro-life beliefs, even in the medical field in Canada.

00:01:06.840 He's written a book about it.

00:01:07.960 He's gone to court about it.

00:01:09.400 And he's our next guest here on the John Henry Weston Show.

00:01:12.360 Stay tuned.

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00:02:57.820 Dr. Paul Saba, welcome to the program.

00:02:59.960 Thank you so much for inviting me.

00:03:01.840 Let's begin, as we always do, with the sign of the cross.

00:03:04.620 In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.

00:03:09.120 Amen.

00:03:10.500 Amen.

00:03:10.880 So, Dr. Saba, it's very interesting to talk to a medical doctor about this, because your book, Made to Live, is very upfront about your support for life along the whole spectrum, both from conception to natural death.

00:03:26.520 And, of course, in Canada, we have this medical aid in dying, which is euthanasia.

00:03:31.800 And it's come in only over the last five years or so, but it's come in with such force.

00:03:39.060 One of the first things it did was to slam into medical students such that they weren't able to get their medical degrees if they wouldn't agree to at least refer for euthanasia, which a lot of them had problems with in the first place.

00:03:56.200 If you can address that first, because it's such a burning question, and then we'll get you to talk more generally about your book.

00:04:01.040 Okay.

00:04:01.800 It's part of the attempts to get away from medical ethics that were based and have been paid based on Christian principles.

00:04:13.160 Sir William Osler, who is the founder of Modern Ethics, of which we as physicians have been practicing for decades, based all of his teaching on the Good Samaritan model.

00:04:26.580 And Sir William Osler graduated from McGill University Medical School.

00:04:33.960 He was also a leader at McGill, a professor of medicine, and he founded John Hopkins University.

00:04:40.680 And he's considered the father of modern medical ethics, and he based all of his teachings on Christian principles.

00:04:48.240 So going towards medical aid and dying, euthanasia, goes against those principles.

00:04:53.140 You know, modern medicine has been based on taking care of those who are sick, those who are handicapped, those who have mental health problems.

00:05:04.300 The whole spectrum.

00:05:05.300 And this was not a model that was a basic medicine going back to the Roman times.

00:05:13.160 In fact, Romans based their teachings on Seneca, the philosopher, who said it was noble to kill yourself if you were sick, if you were feeble-minded, if you were handicapped.

00:05:28.160 So modern, the Christians opened up hospitals, clinics connected to churches, and they cared for people, even during the plague in Carthage.

00:05:41.160 It was Christians who sacrificed themselves to care for those who were sick.

00:05:46.440 So this is totally against medical ethics.

00:05:52.780 I would call it postmodern.

00:05:54.340 This is retrograde medicine, going back to the Roman times.

00:06:00.480 Hippocrates, obviously, who wasn't a Christian 2,500 years ago, he had enough clarity of mind to have physicians make an oath not to kill people and not to abort their female patients.

00:06:14.780 So what is happening right now is barbaric.

00:06:18.760 If we can back up now, I'd love to hear a little bit of your story.

00:06:22.300 Because it's very rare to have a doctor in Canada who is openly pro-life and openly against euthanasia as well, openly against abortion and euthanasia.

00:06:35.720 So tell us about your background.

00:06:38.920 Okay.

00:06:39.160 Well, I was born and raised in Lachine.

00:06:42.440 My grandparents are Lebanese immigrants.

00:06:45.820 But we were always, you know, our Christian foundation always valued life.

00:06:53.900 It wasn't a question.

00:06:56.160 And what motivated me to go into medical school was because I valued life.

00:07:00.440 Did I always live the Christian life? 0.99

00:07:02.320 No.

00:07:02.500 When in my book, I described how I came back to my Christian faith.

00:07:09.220 But what really was pivotal and why I wrote the book, Made to Live, was really the experience my wife and I and our family had with our third-born, Jessica.

00:07:20.800 Because at 20 and 24 weeks on the ultrasound, they said we had a serious problem.

00:07:26.220 And they said, when they told us, they said that this future child, this pre-born child, would not have quality of life, had a serious heart condition, was probably down.

00:07:36.580 And that we should consider our options and our options being abortion.

00:07:40.720 And we said, absolutely not.

00:07:41.800 And Jessica was born.

00:07:45.180 Even just before the time of born, they contacted my wife.

00:07:48.480 And they asked her, and I was with her, what do you want us to do if the baby is struggling at the time of birth?

00:07:59.200 And my wife said, you do everything for her.

00:08:03.060 Because I did everything to bring her to this point in my pregnancy.

00:08:06.760 And then they turned to me, and they asked me, they said, and Dr. Saba, if it's a life between your life and the life of your wife.

00:08:16.020 And my wife said, no, no, you don't ask my husband, you ask me.

00:08:19.100 And I was quite surprised of her reaction.

00:08:22.180 And she says, you do everything for the baby.

00:08:24.640 Of course, you know, in modern medicine, we always prioritize the life of the mother.

00:08:30.280 But my wife was very adamant, you know.

00:08:32.900 So even when we have disagreements, you know, as all spouses and husbands and wives do, I always can't forget that.

00:08:42.580 And I have to overlook anything that this was just amazing, the courage of my wife and her resoluteness to bring Jessica to birth.

00:08:51.720 When she was born, at six days, she got amazing medical care at the children's.

00:08:56.380 They opened up her valve, and they had to do a redo procedure. 0.97

00:09:00.720 Her heart was only half formed.

00:09:03.740 The right ventricle wasn't functioning at all.

00:09:06.680 But after they did the procedure, it started to function.

00:09:09.520 And at 11 months, they redid.

00:09:11.100 She's amazing, brilliant 13-year-old.

00:09:14.400 And we're very thankful every day.

00:09:16.600 And the message I always tell people is, you have to give life a chance.

00:09:20.860 We're never guaranteed outcomes.

00:09:22.360 We weren't guaranteed that we would have a healthy child after this.

00:09:25.680 We weren't guaranteed that.

00:09:27.220 But if you don't give life a chance, you never know what you're missing in life or could be missing.

00:09:32.620 That's so beautiful.

00:09:34.100 Did that experience change you, do you feel?

00:09:40.020 I think that it made me more resolute.

00:09:44.860 It made me—I'm not judgmental.

00:09:48.480 And in the book, I'm very clear that we have good judgment, but not be judgmental.

00:09:52.280 A woman who've had abortion.

00:09:53.520 I talk about accompanying a woman to an abortion clinic when I was a younger man and live with those regrets to this day.

00:10:01.700 And Jesus never judged people.

00:10:03.980 He always tried to lead people to a better way of living.

00:10:08.060 Even the woman caught in the act of adultery and never was ready to stone her.

00:10:10.960 And he said, he's without sin, cast the first stone.

00:10:16.300 And they all went away and left this woman.

00:10:18.740 And then when the woman approached him and they spoke, Jesus said, your sins are forgiven.

00:10:24.820 Sin no more.

00:10:25.880 And when you look at what the interpretation of sin in there, it means go down a better pathway.

00:10:32.300 Jesus always wanted us to go down a better pathway.

00:10:34.780 We're going down the wrong pathway here in Canada and countries and states that have chosen abortion and euthanasia or assisted suicide.

00:10:44.480 And valuable lives are lost.

00:10:46.360 We as people have lost our souls by accepting it.

00:10:52.140 And that's why I believe very strongly we need a transition, not just in our laws, but in the hearts and minds of people who have been misled down this pathway of death.

00:11:04.980 With regard to the life issues, I think there's certain basic questions that everybody has.

00:11:10.960 And with euthanasia, it's a very, very difficult question because it's the suffering.

00:11:16.160 You know, just as with abortion, it's always, well, what about rape and incest?

00:11:21.360 On the euthanasia question, it's always, well, what about this grave suffering and people can't escape suffering?

00:11:28.080 I mean, goodness, we take care of our dog when our dog is too sick.

00:11:31.500 As much as it hurts us, we put our dog down to put it out of its misery.

00:11:34.860 Why can't we do that with people?

00:11:36.340 Don't we care enough about people?

00:11:38.460 That's probably the central question for people, the hardest one for them to grapple with.

00:11:42.380 How do you respond?

00:11:43.580 With quality palliative care, people don't suffer.

00:11:46.580 They have supports.

00:11:47.980 They have pain support.

00:11:50.340 They have psychological, physical, nutritional.

00:11:52.940 I sit on a committee that reviews these cases, and I hesitate to be on the committee, but they said,

00:11:58.700 Dr. Saba, I said, do you realize that I'm opposed to it?

00:12:01.720 They said, yeah, we'd like to have your view because we want an opposing, and I'm very grateful for that.

00:12:05.820 And I would say 80% of what they complain about is more psychological suffering, feeling isolated, being a burden.

00:12:18.320 Those are the major factors.

00:12:19.800 The physical suffering, and I always raise the question, did they get all the pain control that they needed and supports?

00:12:28.820 And it's not always the case, but that's the case.

00:12:32.020 It's usually it's they've just had enough.

00:12:34.640 But we can, with quality palliative care, ease them out in a way so that they aren't physically suffering.

00:12:44.460 What's the difference between giving somebody one shot and getting them out and letting them persist in a state that's going down?

00:12:55.480 Well, I think the difference being in the state that they're in a decline, you never know when that can change.

00:13:04.280 You can usually predict that it's especially near the last few days.

00:13:09.040 But if you ease them, and just people have told me who have been with their loved ones, most people, not everybody,

00:13:15.100 that it was valuable for them so that they could reconnect, that they could, you know, really spend those last few days with their parent or their brother, sister,

00:13:29.220 reconnect, family members could come and spend time together.

00:13:32.220 The World Medical Association, which represents over 11,000 doctors in 100, sorry, 11 million doctors in over 110 countries,

00:13:43.060 is firmly opposed to assisted suicide and euthanasia.

00:13:47.200 Not because, you know, we're doctors and we want people to suffer.

00:13:51.940 We're trained to make, alleviate suffering, to cure when we can't to alleviate people's suffering and giving them the full support.

00:13:59.680 And palliative care is not, does not include euthanasia and assisted suicide.

00:14:06.240 The danger is, of course, not just in lives, valuable lives that could be lost.

00:14:11.540 For example, in my book, I talk about cystic fibrosis and several children who were euthanized in Belgium.

00:14:19.340 And only a few months later, a new treatment came out, which radically changed the treatment.

00:14:25.600 It's actually a cure for cystic fibrosis.

00:14:28.260 I wonder if those parents, if they had known about this new treatment only a few months later,

00:14:33.260 would have had a different approach to having their children euthanized. 0.90

00:14:37.120 And there are many new treatments that do come out.

00:14:39.160 Some people say, well, you sort of, you know, you've got some really bad neurological disorders,

00:14:43.640 and now that's being presented as a reason for doing it here in Quebec.

00:14:47.620 And that's just been tabled, this new legislation.

00:14:50.640 But new treatments do come.

00:14:51.820 We should be investing, doing more research.

00:14:53.620 I talk about that in my book, and promoting life.

00:14:57.880 I talk about my father-in-law, who spent three weeks in the ICU, and he was basically given what they call palliative sedation, controlling his pain.

00:15:06.880 He had a very bad cancer.

00:15:08.960 He was operating on it, and he was always complete organ failure.

00:15:12.620 That was in 2010.

00:15:13.900 And we absolutely refused to take him off, not saying that you can't.

00:15:18.220 That's not euthanasia, but we chose not to.

00:15:22.120 And they continued his treatment.

00:15:23.340 And today, 13 years later, he's in his 80s, early 80s.

00:15:29.580 He does Italian gardening still.

00:15:32.500 He always likes to compare my garden to his. 0.98

00:15:34.800 My garden is pathetic. 0.96

00:15:36.000 The tomatoes never grow smaller than pea size, and his are huge and big. 0.97

00:15:40.860 And he also makes sausages and does pizzas and teaches my kids Italian cooking.

00:15:47.200 So you never know outcomes.

00:15:49.160 I also talk about people who've been told that they had cancer and they didn't have cancer.

00:15:54.240 People who were ready not to, because it looked like on the studies that they had cancer, almost were ready to get euthanasia.

00:16:05.260 But when they went through investigations, they had treatable illnesses.

00:16:09.260 So we never know outcomes.

00:16:10.860 And because life is so valuable, we need to give life a chance.

00:16:15.900 I mean, there's a strong opposition to capital punishment, because you never know the innocent people who've been killed by capital punishment.

00:16:28.520 And if you look at studies, they say about 4% of people who are in death row are actually innocent.

00:16:33.480 But with assisted suicide, we're about 50% wrong in making diagnosis for serious illnesses.

00:16:41.940 No, I'm sorry.

00:16:42.860 I correct myself.

00:16:43.640 20% wrong in predicting who has really a serious illness.

00:16:50.140 And these are based on U.S. insurance studies.

00:16:53.940 And 50% of the time, we can't prognosticate who's going to die over the next 60 months.

00:16:59.480 That's like flipping a coin.

00:17:01.600 What are the current laws in Canada?

00:17:04.200 I know that just in fact, this month of March, we just started a new availability, you say, for euthanasia.

00:17:13.040 And in Quebec, they're even looking at euthanasia for children.

00:17:17.040 Where are we right now in terms of our Canadian legislation?

00:17:19.860 Well, the Canadian legislation now is allowing it for people, as you know, we don't have to have a terminal illness.

00:17:29.320 It doesn't have to be life-ending.

00:17:34.540 And the criteria for mental illness, they're postponing it for a year.

00:17:41.300 They were going to do it this March.

00:17:43.180 Oh, this month, yeah.

00:17:44.300 Yeah, because of the large outcry worldwide.

00:17:47.820 And Canada is considered the most liberal jurisdiction now for another year.

00:17:53.320 And they're looking at children as also being future victims for euthanasia.

00:17:57.900 So, this is not a nice place to be.

00:18:00.720 In Quebec, we have the leading percentage of deaths by euthanasia compared to the rest of the world.

00:18:10.260 It's somewhere in the order of 7%.

00:18:12.300 And they're extending it now with what they call anticipated.

00:18:18.160 If, for example, as one doctor said, if the person can't recognize who their loved ones are, that could be a criteria for them to quickly be put to death.

00:18:29.260 And there's no going back once they've signed the papers before they get to that point.

00:18:32.980 But not recognizing somebody does not necessarily mean a person doesn't have quality of life.

00:18:38.420 Lots of older people with memory deficits still enjoy life.

00:18:43.020 They still enjoy having family members around, even if they don't necessarily remember their names.

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00:19:12.560 And now, back to the video.

00:19:14.000 One of the odd boasts right now is that we have lots of organs to donate

00:19:21.720 because we are making good use of our patients who take up medical aid in dying.

00:19:30.800 Let me hear your take on that.

00:19:33.320 Yeah, I think this is a real travesty.

00:19:38.660 You know, it's really organ harvesting.

00:19:40.220 And I've heard people say, well, what a great gift that person did by dying and giving up their organs.

00:19:48.840 This is premeditated murder, you know, and they can still harvest organs from people after they've died naturally.

00:20:00.420 This is really promoting, another way of promoting euthanasia, another way of selling it.

00:20:06.160 You know, how did we ever get to this point?

00:20:10.480 It's through promotion.

00:20:13.200 It's through, you know, exaggerating the suffering.

00:20:18.420 You know, they talk about horrible, agonizing death instead of saying how we can palliate the death.

00:20:24.220 They talk about it being glamorous.

00:20:26.720 They talk about it being voluntary.

00:20:28.700 But people who volunteer, when you look at the reasons, it's because they don't want to be a burden.

00:20:34.380 So they're victimized into and guiltified into being wanting to die.

00:20:42.800 They, you know, they get physicians.

00:20:45.060 They medicalize it.

00:20:45.920 That's how the Germans did it. 0.99

00:20:47.400 The Germans made sure doctors were involved.

00:20:49.220 So you could say it's a medical procedure.

00:20:51.740 But it's not a medical procedure.

00:20:53.360 Never has been a medical procedure.

00:20:55.880 But they've medicalized it to justify it.

00:21:00.300 And when you were talking about referral, the Nuremberg trial considered referral as being an accomplice to euthanasia.

00:21:12.600 And people who referred to something that they knew in their heart was wrong, they were still considered accomplices.

00:21:20.740 I refuse to refer.

00:21:22.960 I've gone on record in my book, in the courts.

00:21:26.900 And I will tell people I do not.

00:21:28.940 You can look it up.

00:21:30.100 You can find somebody else.

00:21:31.720 But I will not refer you.

00:21:32.700 Because when I refer somebody, it's to better their quality of their care.

00:21:37.480 To ensure that they get a good outcome, the best outcome.

00:21:42.600 I know that the outcome when I refer to assisted suicide euthanasia is it's a dead end.

00:21:47.760 They're literally going to die.

00:21:48.680 That, to me, is not the way to practice medicine or to refer.

00:21:54.160 What do you see of the tie-in between abortion and euthanasia?

00:21:59.160 I think it's euthanasia of the baby.

00:22:04.220 And the best example was reported in the National Catholic Register, which the hospital hasn't denied.

00:22:11.580 It was reported, and I can't confirm it, but it was reported that there was a 38-week-old baby.

00:22:17.200 I apparently was able to be able to come to a natural birth.

00:22:23.680 And it was euthanized in the utero.

00:22:30.020 They call it an abortion when you inject a deadly substance into the baby.

00:22:36.740 But that's euthanasia in utero.

00:22:38.500 So whenever we kill babies or abort them, we are actually practicing euthanasia in utero.

00:22:44.600 The hospital says they don't practice feticide. 0.98

00:22:47.000 Feticide, by law, means after the baby is delivered that you kill it.

00:22:51.100 But it's a matter of a few minutes, a few inches, a few centimeters in time.

00:22:56.380 This is a fully viable, healthy baby.

00:22:58.780 And in Canada, it's legal to perform late-term abortions.

00:23:07.040 And we're talking late-term right up to the time of delivery.

00:23:11.020 And if you look at the directives of our college, which haven't been put up to date yet,

00:23:16.540 but it's 2012, they describe special social circumstances.

00:23:20.640 In the story in the National Register, they were talking to this person as being a homeless person.

00:23:24.960 And that was her decision.

00:23:25.980 But you see, when people are really under lots of pressure, often they will choose to do abortions.

00:23:33.640 If you look at the Guttmacher Institute, which is a very pro-abortion group,

00:23:39.300 and they work with Planned Parenthood, in their studies, they showed in 2005,

00:23:43.140 73% of women who decide on abortions do it for financial reasons. 0.95

00:23:47.200 That means these are women feeling strapped. 1.00

00:23:48.820 And then another large group within that were for lack of professional educational opportunities.

00:23:57.920 When you talk about rape and incest, that's like less than 1%, even a very much smaller percent.

00:24:03.060 So the large percentage, and this is what I'm really concerned, is that it's become an economic option.

00:24:11.880 Society doesn't want to spend money to help support women who are poor. 1.00

00:24:17.500 You know, and you have all these companies, large companies, I won't name their names,

00:24:23.220 but that during the time of the Roe v. Wade being reversed, that they said, we'll support, we'll pay for abortion, we'll pay for transport.

00:24:33.640 Rather than paying for just that, and if they want to, that's their choice.

00:24:37.420 Also give women decent salaries, you know, don't exploit them. 0.86

00:24:43.840 Because it's exploitation, the salaries that many of these big companies who are,

00:24:47.700 and many of the owners and CEOs are billionaires, so that they have enough money so they can support

00:24:53.500 and have children and bring them into the world.

00:24:55.720 That, to me, is a question of social justice and equity that's being completely ignored.

00:25:01.780 The euthanasia question does often come down to economics.

00:25:05.920 We have a culture which is unable to afford a lot of our health care system because our population has dwindled.

00:25:17.400 We don't have that much birth anymore in Canada in terms of the birth rate.

00:25:22.180 So a lot of people have said, hey, we need to do something to adjust here because people's, you know,

00:25:27.760 health care costs are greatest at the end of life, and we've got a glut there.

00:25:32.160 We need to do something about it.

00:25:34.020 What's your thought on that?

00:25:34.740 Yeah, I think you explained it quite clearly.

00:25:38.600 We've killed the future doctors, nurses, accountants, lawyers, workers through abortion. 1.00

00:25:46.940 If you look at the U.S., since Roe v. Wade, about 63 million children.

00:25:51.640 You can put Canada around a little over 6 million.

00:25:55.720 Worldwide, it's probably about 1.5 billion.

00:25:57.660 And that's an underestimate.

00:25:58.480 But that's only talking about the first generation of people who are lost, not their children and their children after that.

00:26:05.980 So we've created this crisis for ourselves, you know.

00:26:09.880 And people say, you know, what does God have to do?

00:26:14.120 Well, if you look at our own Constitution, it talks about the supremacy of God.

00:26:22.000 It begins with, we believe in the supremacy of God and the rule of law.

00:26:25.440 Supremacy of God.

00:26:26.160 God created men.

00:26:28.160 God breathed life into men.

00:26:30.780 He knew us in our mother's womb.

00:26:33.240 These are all biblical principles.

00:26:34.880 So how would you kill somebody that represents, that's us, who are the image?

00:26:41.160 We're not God, but the image of God.

00:26:43.020 His creation.

00:26:43.900 And so we're paying for ignoring biblical principles for, you know, in the rule of law.

00:26:54.380 The law is God's law.

00:26:56.160 That's the start of it.

00:26:57.220 You know, don't kill.

00:26:58.700 You know, you can't just say, well, it's whatever we decide on a whim.

00:27:03.180 We're going to make laws for abortion. 1.00

00:27:05.000 We're going to make laws for euthanasia.

00:27:06.900 And so we start killing before birth, and we end up killing everybody all the way up

00:27:14.000 to the end of life.

00:27:15.120 And it really comes to a model, what I call a utilitarian model.

00:27:20.280 And by the way, the Germans believed in that model.

00:27:22.600 And we've gone that road.

00:27:24.840 And I'm not saying that people that do this are Nazis, but we've been, they started off

00:27:30.280 like us, you know, it was for good reasons, economics, save money.

00:27:33.440 You know, we have to help the stronger, and, you know, we can't take care of everybody.

00:27:38.120 And that's how they end up with their society.

00:27:39.960 Do we want to go that way?

00:27:41.200 And I'm saying, no, let's put a stop.

00:27:43.200 Let's admit we went where we were wrong, and let's value each life.

00:27:47.740 You know, when I say economic, the Canadian Medical Journal published a little while ago

00:27:53.960 an article showing that there were economic savings to euthanasia.

00:27:57.500 The Canadian government also did a study showing economics, their savings.

00:28:02.800 But you know what, what's the best saving is the best investment is life, is human life.

00:28:09.020 Because we never know the outcomes, and every life is valuable.

00:28:12.680 And if we value each person, that could be a family member.

00:28:16.660 It could be ourselves.

00:28:18.260 It could be a person we don't even know.

00:28:20.220 I go back to the Good Samaritan model.

00:28:22.520 You know, the people who don't remember the whole story.

00:28:25.180 I'll just in brief, as Jesus describes, who is your neighbor and who you're supposed to

00:28:30.480 take care of if you want to be a godly person, he says, take care of, he described the story

00:28:36.380 of the man on the side of the road who was left half dead, beaten up by bandits.

00:28:41.240 And the Samaritan picked him up, took him on his donkey, took him to an end, paid for 0.99

00:28:45.400 his care, and said, whatever more you need, I'll pay when I come back.

00:28:49.220 I'm not using this as a model to promote privatization.

00:28:52.200 I'm saying that this, you know, our public purse is the money that we use to care for

00:28:57.040 people.

00:28:57.700 We don't know the outcome of this man.

00:28:59.360 Did he end up dying?

00:29:00.720 Did he end up being handicapped?

00:29:03.440 Or did he fully survive?

00:29:04.580 And did he contribute a side?

00:29:05.940 We don't know.

00:29:06.600 Jesus, it wasn't important to Jesus.

00:29:08.200 Jesus went around healing the lepers. 0.97

00:29:09.640 He healed everybody, the blind, the sick, everyone.

00:29:12.960 And it wasn't like, well, will these be good, you know, you know, minions for the, for

00:29:20.420 for society, that's not what we're valuable because God created us and we need to value

00:29:25.360 each, each other.

00:29:27.480 I think that very concept that we are created in the image and likeness of God, that we are

00:29:34.000 children of God, his creation, and how dare people think to kill God's creation is really

00:29:40.160 the core of the pro-life belief.

00:29:43.280 It's one that I know many people frown on because you're not supposed to mention God in

00:29:46.920 the debates, but I think that's how all this started.

00:29:49.360 The removal of God from the public square is what then opens the, you know, the floodgates

00:29:56.280 to anything and everything.

00:29:58.340 It goes against our own Canadian laws and our Canadian constitution.

00:30:02.180 You know, the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, the guarantee of the, of life.

00:30:07.140 You know, our, sadly, our Supreme Court twisted it around and said that guaranteeing life doesn't

00:30:15.440 mean you, you have to force life.

00:30:16.860 We're not saying force life, never has.

00:30:18.360 And palliative care doesn't force life.

00:30:20.200 You know, it, it, it eases people.

00:30:22.840 And if you match the control of pain and suffering to the person suffering, you don't, you don't,

00:30:30.340 you actually increase life.

00:30:31.760 You don't suppress life.

00:30:33.060 Studies have shown that you increase morphing and pain because they eat better, they drink

00:30:36.100 better, they feel better.

00:30:37.040 And all palliative care does increases quality of life.

00:30:40.240 So they're shortchanging human life and they're going against the Canadian constitution.

00:30:45.380 And I'll be glad to debate any judge, whoever wants to judge me on your program, I'll be

00:30:50.220 willing to talk to them and debate them.

00:30:53.080 But this goes against our own Canadian constitution.

00:30:57.140 This is contrary to our Canadian constitution.

00:30:59.980 Indeed.

00:31:00.580 How do you see a way out for Canada?

00:31:03.840 I think, I always tell people pray because God can, only God can change, the Holy Spirit

00:31:10.700 can change people's lives and perspective.

00:31:13.020 Uh, because, uh, we're, we can be blinded by economics, by the ways of the world, uh,

00:31:20.220 by the world system.

00:31:21.640 Uh, so that's the first thing I always tell people.

00:31:24.080 And then, uh, speak, you know, you know, have form, have an opinion, express yourself as

00:31:29.040 we're doing today.

00:31:30.380 Um, and show, uh, and I try to always constantly show to people that this is our laws, our healthcare

00:31:36.000 system has been based on Christian principles.

00:31:38.340 Uh, whenever I've been at conferences, uh, or, or government hearings, they say, well, Dr.

00:31:42.880 Saba, that was then.

00:31:43.960 And now is now.

00:31:44.840 I said, no, now is now.

00:31:46.540 And now is based on Christian principles.

00:31:49.180 And, uh, if you look a little bit, you don't have to look far.

00:31:52.580 Look at, uh, everything that, uh, I described, you know, from, uh, the Good Samaritan, the

00:31:58.520 Canadian constitution, the Good Samaritan, Sir William Mossler, and all of her teachings

00:32:02.380 in the medical model.

00:32:03.620 He's always cared for people.

00:32:04.580 And when we go against that, we suffer the consequences.

00:32:07.720 We lose lives that are valuable.

00:32:09.380 We do horrific things.

00:32:11.440 Killing a, uh, uh, you know, uh, doing a late-term abortion, um, is, is, is a terrible 0.61

00:32:17.440 thing.

00:32:18.220 Um, and, um, it's, it's a human life.

00:32:21.320 And we can, we can modify and improve social circumstances.

00:32:25.580 When, uh, people are being euthanized because they can't afford housing.

00:32:28.860 Or there was one story of a woman who, uh, couldn't find environmentally, um, uh, acceptable

00:32:36.940 housing for her case.

00:32:38.960 And we always talk about the environment.

00:32:40.460 We're spelling billions and trillions around the world on environment.

00:32:43.420 We can't save one human life.

00:32:44.780 A person who's desperately pleading for affordable housing that can meet her needs.

00:32:52.380 That's a travesty of our system. 0.89

00:32:54.420 I would call it, I would even go so far, it's even hypocritical.

00:32:57.220 So, Dr. Paul Saba, where can we get your book and, uh, learn more about you?

00:33:03.020 Well, you can buy it at any, uh, book store.

00:33:06.500 You can even buy it on, um, uh, you go to our website, made to live.com, M-A-D-E-T-O-L-I-V-E.com.

00:33:14.600 Uh, and there we have all different, uh, uh, you know, Indigo chapters, um, and, and, and

00:33:21.460 any other bookstore, you can even go in on Amazon if you want.

00:33:24.500 Um, I just encourage you to buy it and, um, it will just, uh, I think it will help people

00:33:31.360 to understand so that they'll be better able to explain to their friends and to their family

00:33:36.820 why they value life.

00:33:39.540 Beautiful.

00:33:40.280 Dr. Paul Saba, thank you so much for being with us and for Defending Life.

00:33:43.520 Thank you so much for the opportunity to Defend Life.

00:33:48.720 God bless all of you, and we'll see you next time.

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The John-Henry Westen Show - March 14, 2023

EXPOSED： Euthanasia In Canada Is Now Disguised As Palliative Care

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