The John-Henry Westen Show - October 10, 2025


Faith vs Lies： Are We in the Final Battle？


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Length

33 minutes

Words per Minute

154.22787

Word Count

5,211

Sentence Count

361

Misogynist Sentences

5

Hate Speech Sentences

21


Summary

James Dellingpole joins me to talk about the mystery of Our Lady of Fatima and the supposed revelation of a third secret from Our Lady in the late 19th century and early 20th century, and why it could only be the work of the devil.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Once the scales have fallen from your eyes, you realize that evolutionary theory was actually
00:00:06.660 this lie invented in the 19th century.
00:00:13.040 Hello my friends, we are here in Moscow, Russia, believe it or not, and even more unbelievable,
00:00:18.920 I'm here with James Dellingpole. Now, I know most of you know who he is, but for those who don't,
00:00:23.840 you know that term conspiracy theorist? Well, in today's day and age, we no longer
00:00:29.360 actually talk about conspiracy theorists. They've been right too many times. So now, a lot of people
00:00:34.580 talk about conspiracy fact or conspiracy analysis, and I like to think of it as conspiracy analysis,
00:00:41.020 and in that world, James is probably at the top. James, welcome to the program. I love that intro.
00:00:47.620 Thank you very much. I'm glad you didn't sort of marginalize me as a freak, but as a kind of
00:00:51.960 visionary seer. Let's begin as you always do with the sign of the cross. In the name of the Father,
00:00:56.480 and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen. Amen.
00:01:01.700 So James, you preferred that I not tell you what we were talking about, and so I am going to ask you
00:01:07.580 about something that many consider a conspiracy. We're going to talk about Our Lady of Fatima.
00:01:13.700 Now, you are a rather devout Anglican, so not in the Catholic tradition at all, but in the Catholic
00:01:20.680 tradition, there is these visions of Our Lady that appeared in 1917. Are you familiar with those?
00:01:27.060 Yeah. Yeah.
00:01:28.080 Okay. Along that road, there are many evidences of the facts of the case, the articles in the
00:01:34.940 then-communist Portugal, and they were all there because the authorities wanted to discredit
00:01:40.340 Catholicism, and therefore sent out all the reporters thinking, we're going to make a fool of
00:01:44.920 these kids. Look how stupid the people are. 70,000 show up in a muddy field. And then comes the
00:01:49.780 miracle in history. So have you looked into that yourself in terms of the veracity of these claims
00:01:55.820 of these children seeing Our Lady?
00:01:57.540 No, I'm relying on people like you. And we're going to have to do a podcast where you tell me
00:02:02.000 all the details. I know there's the third secret, and you have to tell me about it.
00:02:07.720 So, I mean, this is super interesting because these little kids have this apparition of Our Lady,
00:02:12.840 and they go out and tell everybody. And it's, of course, a big hoopla, including in their families,
00:02:17.640 and it's, you know, it's hard for them. And they're little. They're like seven, eight, and ten years
00:02:21.540 old. They go on then to get these secrets from Our Lady, and then they're basically, they don't tell
00:02:28.660 anybody, and so on. This goes on. The two of the little ones die, and the third goes off to become
00:02:34.080 a nun. So, interestingly, this is now over a hundred years ago. But the big part of it that's very
00:02:42.360 conspiratorial is what happens in 1960s. They're told that Our Lord wants Russia consecrated to His
00:02:51.820 Holy Mother, and that it's going to be consecrated means like given in service to or for a specific
00:03:00.160 purpose to Our Lady. So, in some way, Russia is called to be something for Our Lady for the rest
00:03:06.920 of the world. 1960 rolls around, and this third secret was meant to be revealed. So, they have a
00:03:13.860 couple of secrets already revealed. One was really a vision and an explanation about hell and the
00:03:19.980 reality of hell, and that many people go to hell, et cetera, et cetera, which actually was a good warning
00:03:25.920 because the nouveau thing has been to say hell doesn't exist and no one's there. Yeah.
00:03:31.000 Yeah. 1960, we were supposed to be told this secret. Nothing. Nothing until the year 2000 and
00:03:41.880 outrolls a secret. Have you seen that secret at all? The message? Okay, basically the message says
00:03:48.180 nothing of import. It says nice things. But the weirdest part is there's nothing in it that actually
00:03:55.380 makes any sense as to why they would have withheld it. Just from your read of the way authorities deal
00:04:03.100 with things, what's your take on analyzing the current situation with Fatima, with the controversy?
00:04:09.740 I believe that, as John tells us, the devil is the god of this world. And when you understand that,
00:04:20.540 you understand how the world works, how the devil works, what's the thing he's really good at? He's
00:04:27.100 good at deception. He's about inverting the truth. And you see so many examples of satanic inversion.
00:04:35.560 So, almost everything we're told by the authorities, the experts, the historians, is going to be a lie
00:04:46.180 lie. Because that's how they control and manipulate, by deceiving people. So, it makes absolute sense to
00:04:53.780 me that if we are given intimations of the truth, for example, by holy people in a vision, they,
00:05:04.100 the rulers of the darkness of this world, are going to do everything they can to suppress that message,
00:05:10.180 to give us sort of red herrings to distract us. So, it would make sense to me that the third secret of Fatima
00:05:19.000 would be suppressed. And also, another thing, you know and I know, and all your listeners know, that
00:05:25.900 if you're the devil, which institutions are you going to target most? You're going to target the church.
00:05:36.100 You're going to infiltrate it in divers ways. And I think that's what's happened across the board.
00:05:43.720 And that's why it's so important for us Christians to use our power of discernment
00:05:48.840 and to find our way to the truth. Because you can't rely on authority.
00:05:54.440 How do you manage that? Because obviously, not all that we're told by those in authority
00:06:00.680 is going to be wrong. Some of it's going to be true. Some of it's going to be false.
00:06:04.560 And particularly in the Catholic Church, we were always taught, you know, the magisterium is correct.
00:06:13.780 And yet, you've found a lot, especially over the last pontificate of Francis,
00:06:23.120 that that sort of understanding has been shaken in a big, big way.
00:06:28.500 Now, some apologists would say, no, the teachings remain the same, which is true.
00:06:34.700 I mean, all the teachings of the apostles down through the ages have been upheld by the church,
00:06:40.040 if you will. And all the teachings are fairly clear.
00:06:44.000 You understand the path to heaven, the path to hell and how to avoid and so on.
00:06:49.160 But yet, how do you do that?
00:06:50.900 How do you discern truth, especially in a time when it is so incredibly confusing?
00:06:56.660 Well, luckily, we have a good guide in the form of Jesus,
00:07:00.720 who tells us, you shall know them by their fruits.
00:07:04.180 And, for example, a few years ago, I went to the Vatican and I attended a meeting of cardinals
00:07:17.960 talking about one of the popes.
00:07:21.540 This is Pope Francis, one of his encyclicals.
00:07:24.540 And he was talking about climate change, environmentalism, green nonsense.
00:07:35.520 I happen to have the advantage of having looked into...
00:07:38.300 My first journey down the rabbit hole was when I read a book called Watermelons a few years ago,
00:07:45.520 when I looked into the claims about the environmentalists on the subject of global warming
00:07:51.400 and man-made global warming, and I discovered that there was no evidence for it.
00:07:58.140 Just the claims didn't stand up.
00:07:59.820 The climate scientists were bought and paid for.
00:08:02.740 They had a narrative they wanted to push, and it was based on lies, junk science.
00:08:08.500 Again, that inversion of truth.
00:08:11.620 So when I see somebody who's supposed to be a man of God
00:08:16.680 pushing what is essentially pagan Gaia worship,
00:08:21.400 I'm thinking, hang on a second, is he really our guy?
00:08:26.140 There are certain tells that you look out for
00:08:29.540 when somebody's preaching this communistic agenda.
00:08:34.940 One of the interesting things when I started looking into this
00:08:37.560 was realising that from the early 20th century and before,
00:08:40.900 if you looked at writings about the environment and about man's role within it,
00:08:49.040 it was very clear that, as 8 tells us, man is the top of the chain.
00:08:55.640 God made us in his image, and the fowls of the air and the beasts of the field,
00:09:00.160 they're all under us.
00:09:01.320 And up until the mid-20th century, all scientific textbooks
00:09:09.160 essentially reflected this understanding that we are not one species among many.
00:09:15.960 We're not on the same level as the amoeba.
00:09:18.880 God has given us dominion over the animals.
00:09:22.100 So, for example, we acknowledge that some animals are pests
00:09:28.100 which need to be controlled for agriculture and so on.
00:09:32.480 And then there was this shift in thinking whereby suddenly,
00:09:36.800 well, the Club of Rome,
00:09:39.240 which was one of the sort of secretive high-level institutions pushing this agenda,
00:09:44.680 the Club of Rome was actually funded by people like Gianni Agnelli,
00:09:48.100 who was the guy who founded, or his family founded Fiat,
00:09:51.840 one of the richest people in Italy.
00:09:55.620 They came up with this phrase,
00:09:57.640 the earth has a cancer and the cancer is man.
00:10:00.800 So suddenly we become this play.
00:10:03.260 This is very unbiblical.
00:10:05.700 And I'm old-fashioned enough to believe that the Bible is essentially,
00:10:10.000 well, it's the truth.
00:10:11.680 It's not just a kind of random thing that a few old guys invented
00:10:15.820 to justify their fear of death.
00:10:17.520 No, it's actually, this stuff is real.
00:10:20.580 So when I see the Pope allying himself with this anti-human agenda,
00:10:28.820 I think, well, that ain't what God tells us about the world.
00:10:32.220 So that's what I would call a tell.
00:10:34.440 This is a very interesting thing,
00:10:35.880 because here you're dealing with truths that are accepted by the world,
00:10:40.300 which are false.
00:10:41.760 Yeah.
00:10:42.480 So, and I'm not sure where you stand on this one,
00:10:44.960 but one of the things since you mentioned the scripture is actually true,
00:10:49.140 one of the biggest, I believe, deceptions that modern man has ever accepted,
00:10:55.540 and now it is almost universally accepted as true,
00:10:59.160 is this thing about evolution.
00:11:01.780 Now, I have no idea where you stand on this.
00:11:04.200 You see, I'm glad you picked that topic,
00:11:08.460 because I used to think, because we've been trained to do so,
00:11:12.860 100%.
00:11:13.320 There are these crazy creationist Christians who believe this outrageous thing that we're here because of God.
00:11:25.620 And I sort of, once the scales have fallen from your eyes,
00:11:29.920 and you realise that evolutionary theory was actually this lie invented in the 19th century
00:11:41.680 and funded, I have to say, by, promoted by Freemasons,
00:11:47.660 funded by people like the Rothschilds.
00:11:51.200 Once you realise that and you look around, you read an article about science,
00:11:54.800 evolutionary theory is embedded in everything.
00:11:59.440 It's almost impossible to read an article about nature
00:12:02.480 without some reference being made to the evolutionary process.
00:12:08.000 And when the scales fell from my eyes,
00:12:12.520 I looked at things like, well, I mean, consider the lilies,
00:12:17.160 but I look at the iris, for example.
00:12:21.260 You look at an iris.
00:12:22.360 A thing that beautiful is not the product of randomness.
00:12:28.820 It's the product of a creator who values beauty.
00:12:33.340 I'm always looking for signs of God,
00:12:35.180 because I think I probably am quite devout, actually,
00:12:39.420 which is weird, because I really wasn't for many, many years.
00:12:42.460 I was a cultural Christian,
00:12:44.440 and I went to church every now and again,
00:12:47.320 and I said my prayers,
00:12:48.620 but I didn't really, really believe.
00:12:51.560 This isn't news to any Christian,
00:12:54.280 but God is about truth, goodness, and beauty.
00:13:00.380 And we all have, we're all drawn instinctively to beauty,
00:13:04.740 even those of us who are not Christians.
00:13:07.020 We understand what beauty looks like.
00:13:08.560 We find it attractive.
00:13:09.900 Why?
00:13:10.240 If you believe in evolution,
00:13:13.700 you would ask yourself,
00:13:15.080 why would this process of randomness
00:13:18.320 create a value system where we are capable of judging beauty?
00:13:24.800 There's no evolutionary purpose.
00:13:26.720 I mean, you might make the claim that
00:13:28.760 birds are drawn to more attractive specimens.
00:13:32.980 I mean, that would be the kind of the worldly explanation for it.
00:13:35.840 But I think there's more than that.
00:13:37.180 Why do we all have a moral conscience?
00:13:39.960 Why, when we tell a lie, does it make us feel so uncomfortable?
00:13:43.800 What would be the, you'd think, actually, in evolutionary purposes,
00:13:48.220 being able to lie would be a good thing,
00:13:50.240 because it would enable us to gain an advantage by deceiving.
00:13:53.860 But actually, we know that lies are bad.
00:13:57.240 We feel it.
00:13:58.000 We can't sleep.
00:13:58.700 How do you sleep at night?
00:14:00.000 Well, it's hard when you tell a lie.
00:14:03.180 Quite like in teasing my fellow Christians,
00:14:05.700 because I know it's quite a kind of an outrageous thing for a lot of Christians.
00:14:10.340 I totally believe that God created us.
00:14:14.180 You look around, I've travelled in Central America
00:14:17.320 and looked at the bird life and compared the bird life in Africa.
00:14:21.420 And on these divided continents, you have, in Africa, you have sunbirds.
00:14:27.960 And in South America, you have hummingbirds.
00:14:30.540 They look the same, but they're different species.
00:14:33.840 But they're all designed with beaks,
00:14:36.360 which can suck nectar out of these flowers that are hard to penetrate.
00:14:41.140 This is not the sort of randomness which came out of the primordial slime.
00:14:46.120 This is, there is intention there.
00:14:48.160 And what do you think the intention was on the other side?
00:14:50.880 If you accepted the thesis that evolution was intentional creation, so as to what?
00:14:57.900 I'm really down the rabbit hole in this one.
00:15:00.380 So what the Bible, what Genesis tells us,
00:15:04.560 is that the fallen angels found the women, the children of men,
00:15:10.480 the women of the children of men, they found them attractive.
00:15:14.360 And they bred with them.
00:15:18.140 And they created these, that's the Nephilim.
00:15:22.380 There are these, essentially the spawn of the fallen angels
00:15:26.940 who existed before the flood and after, it tells us.
00:15:32.720 Now, I believe that the people who run the world,
00:15:38.680 the reason they're so obsessed with, in the royal houses,
00:15:43.200 you get this idea of blue blood.
00:15:45.640 You get what are known as the 13 satanic bloodlines,
00:15:49.020 although there are actually 14 satanic bloodlines.
00:15:52.020 They breed with one another because they want to keep that Nephilim DNA
00:15:56.880 within their lineage, because they're more connected
00:16:03.180 to their dark overlords, led by Satan.
00:16:08.120 Do they actually say that themselves, any of them?
00:16:11.640 Does anybody actually say that?
00:16:12.680 Yeah, people looked into this.
00:16:15.200 People get distracted by the, it's the Jews, it's the Jesuits,
00:16:19.260 it's the whatever argument.
00:16:21.680 They're all working for Satan, basically, the people in charge.
00:16:24.380 They, the people, the CEOs of the corporations,
00:16:29.220 the, most of the, the, many of the aristocracy,
00:16:34.720 that's the deal.
00:16:36.720 And I know that one of your big things is abortion.
00:16:41.380 I was brought up in this liberal, secular culture
00:16:45.640 where I thought, well, yeah, abortion's a mark
00:16:48.160 of a civilised society, you know, an advanced culture.
00:16:51.700 We've got rid of all that.
00:16:52.960 I mean, I didn't think of it too deeply, as you don't,
00:16:55.600 because the programming is so strong, you don't question.
00:16:58.600 It was only when I woke up, I went down the rabbit hole
00:17:02.580 and eventually I saw, there's a saying,
00:17:05.560 if you look down the rabbit hole and you don't see the face
00:17:07.980 of Jesus staring back up at you, you're doing it wrong.
00:17:10.360 I now understand that abortion is a satanic blood sacrifice.
00:17:17.780 The reason, if you read the Old Testament,
00:17:20.280 God is always enjoining the children of Israel
00:17:23.280 to slaughter these Canaanite tribes.
00:17:26.160 And you read it and you think, well, why is God,
00:17:28.660 you know, isn't killing bad?
00:17:30.880 And there's the Martianite argument that God is,
00:17:35.000 the Old Testament God is a kind of an evil God.
00:17:37.480 No, I think that he is consistent
00:17:41.420 with the God of the New Testament.
00:17:43.980 Devilish people walk among us.
00:17:46.420 And that's why he's trying to tell us,
00:17:47.640 if you don't kill these people,
00:17:49.680 if you don't slaughter these tribes,
00:17:50.880 what you're going to get is where we are now,
00:17:54.180 where increasingly the children of men are being,
00:17:59.400 the Christian, the true followers of God
00:18:02.040 are being persecuted and punished
00:18:04.520 by people who hate us.
00:18:07.040 That's what the mission of the children of the Nephilim,
00:18:11.980 as it were, is to replace God on earth.
00:18:16.300 That's what the Tower of Babel was about,
00:18:18.100 which is why God destroyed it.
00:18:22.580 They hate us because we are the children of God
00:18:25.280 and they want to immiserate us.
00:18:29.800 They want to poison us.
00:18:32.400 They want to enslave us.
00:18:34.260 And they want to kill us.
00:18:35.420 It's the age-old battle between good and evil.
00:18:39.120 You'd think, though, why?
00:18:41.560 What are we doing?
00:18:42.760 Because most Christians are sticking to themselves,
00:18:45.620 aren't out there doing that much
00:18:47.940 that would annoy people.
00:18:50.060 What's the motivation?
00:18:51.060 I think it's to do with envy.
00:18:55.200 The fallen angels don't like the fact
00:18:57.620 that God made us in his image.
00:18:59.320 I haven't quite worked out what went on
00:19:00.940 before man appeared.
00:19:02.420 There was stuff going on in heaven and stuff.
00:19:04.540 But I think that that is the deal.
00:19:06.560 They hate us because God made us in his image
00:19:09.600 and they want to destroy us.
00:19:11.060 The most repeated phrase in Scripture
00:19:14.140 is do not be afraid.
00:19:16.580 We are called to speak the truth,
00:19:18.880 to proclaim the gospel,
00:19:20.560 and to live our lives without fear.
00:19:22.920 For the past three years,
00:19:24.180 we've brought this mission
00:19:25.320 to the very heart of the church.
00:19:28.060 At the Rome Life Forum,
00:19:30.220 you won't just hear truth proclaimed.
00:19:32.120 You'll have the chance to ask your questions
00:19:34.320 directly to the speakers.
00:19:35.960 This is your opportunity to engage,
00:19:38.620 to challenge,
00:19:39.140 and to go deeper into the battles
00:19:41.360 we face today.
00:19:43.280 Fear not.
00:19:44.680 Her immaculate heart will triumph.
00:19:48.180 I don't know if you've ever seen,
00:19:49.980 there's a U.S. film released
00:19:51.880 called Nefarious.
00:19:53.840 And the exorcist I've spoken to
00:19:55.660 said that's probably
00:19:56.580 the most accurate depiction
00:19:58.820 of possession of the devil ever on film.
00:20:02.100 Do you watch it at all?
00:20:02.960 I haven't seen it.
00:20:03.680 I'm very big on demons.
00:20:05.300 I know that demons are real.
00:20:09.520 I know that demonic possession is real.
00:20:12.620 I know that if you say the name of Jesus,
00:20:16.380 they really hate it.
00:20:18.300 Now when you say no,
00:20:20.200 how do you know?
00:20:23.000 I've spoken to too many people.
00:20:24.520 Well, I'll give you an example
00:20:25.820 from my own life, actually.
00:20:26.920 When I was,
00:20:29.940 for years,
00:20:32.060 I would be assailed
00:20:33.220 by these voices in my head,
00:20:35.560 which I thought were my own voice.
00:20:37.680 Like,
00:20:38.280 yeah, you're so stupid.
00:20:39.500 You're useless.
00:20:40.040 I hate you.
00:20:41.020 I hate you.
00:20:41.640 Like,
00:20:42.000 you should be dead.
00:20:44.700 It would be so much easier
00:20:45.620 if you killed yourself.
00:20:46.820 I never tried to commit suicide or anything.
00:20:48.920 But that voice of hate,
00:20:51.360 of self-hatred,
00:20:52.920 is not the work of God.
00:20:55.420 God doesn't do that.
00:20:58.840 I believe,
00:20:59.500 oh, I'll tell you a story about this, actually.
00:21:01.580 But I believe that these are essentially demonic.
00:21:07.340 And I can't remember the reason,
00:21:12.000 but I thought it'd be quite cool to learn.
00:21:14.280 No, I do remember the reason.
00:21:15.380 I'll tell you the reason in a moment,
00:21:16.500 but we'll go there in a second.
00:21:18.920 And I learned the 23rd Psalm.
00:21:21.680 Do you call it the 23rd Psalm?
00:21:22.940 Or is it the 23rd?
00:21:23.980 Lord is my shepherd,
00:21:24.960 I shall not want.
00:21:25.480 We all know what it's that name.
00:21:26.420 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:21:27.260 Anyway,
00:21:27.720 that's the kind of the master psalm.
00:21:30.020 It's sometimes known as the martyr's psalm.
00:21:32.320 And it's nice and short,
00:21:33.560 and it's great.
00:21:34.740 We love it.
00:21:36.800 And I thought,
00:21:37.780 yeah,
00:21:38.180 maybe I should do Psalm 91.
00:21:41.340 He that dwelleth in the secret place of the Most High
00:21:43.260 shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty.
00:21:44.840 It's the warrior's psalm.
00:21:46.680 And I was interested to see that Russian soldiers,
00:21:50.960 before they go and fight in the Donbass,
00:21:52.940 and I've heard the US Marines tell me this as well.
00:21:56.080 They say,
00:21:56.700 a thousand shall fall at thy side
00:21:58.400 and ten thousand at thy right hand,
00:22:00.340 but it shall not come nigh thee.
00:22:02.620 What a great psalm.
00:22:04.060 What a,
00:22:04.840 I mean,
00:22:05.620 how cool is that?
00:22:06.340 So I thought,
00:22:07.520 right,
00:22:08.100 I'm going to learn a few more psalms.
00:22:11.220 And my ambition now is to learn the Psalter.
00:22:15.880 So I'm working my way through.
00:22:17.360 I'm about maybe a fifth or a quarter of the way through so far.
00:22:20.980 And I say the psalms every day,
00:22:25.200 as I walk the dog,
00:22:26.440 and I do my exercises,
00:22:27.460 and I go on car journeys.
00:22:28.680 As you can imagine,
00:22:29.580 the more psalms I know,
00:22:30.720 the harder it gets to finish all the psalms in the day,
00:22:33.920 to the point where,
00:22:35.220 when I go on a long car journey now,
00:22:36.820 I used to listen to podcasts and stuff.
00:22:38.820 I now work through the psalms,
00:22:41.080 and I can go on the two-hour car journey,
00:22:43.500 and I've only just got to the end of the psalms I know.
00:22:47.080 The psalms have banished these thoughts from my head.
00:22:50.380 I feel much,
00:22:51.400 much more happier in my skin.
00:22:53.020 I've become like a medieval monk.
00:22:56.260 The psalms,
00:22:56.960 I can recommend it to anyone.
00:22:58.340 It's good for the memory.
00:22:59.580 It's good for the soul.
00:23:01.160 The reason this started,
00:23:02.500 it was one of my most popular ever podcasts.
00:23:04.660 I talked to all sorts of really interesting people.
00:23:07.740 And there's a guy I spoke to,
00:23:11.080 Jerry Marzinski is his name,
00:23:12.680 by the way,
00:23:13.060 Jerry Marzinski.
00:23:13.780 He was a psychotherapist in Arizona,
00:23:17.700 and he won awards for his success
00:23:21.820 in treating sort of schizoid patients
00:23:26.620 who were hearing voices in their heads.
00:23:29.240 And he worked particularly
00:23:31.680 in the U.S. hospitals and prisons system.
00:23:36.580 And he said,
00:23:37.520 the great thing about working in the prison system
00:23:39.500 is they really don't care about the prisoners.
00:23:42.420 You can get away with much more
00:23:45.860 than you could in outside hospitals.
00:23:49.820 And one of the shibboleths of modern psychiatry,
00:23:53.320 which I think is probably a satanic deception,
00:23:55.580 you can look at who invented it,
00:23:57.640 is that you never ask them
00:23:59.720 about the voices in their heads.
00:24:01.240 They're not real.
00:24:02.800 They're just,
00:24:03.420 what you want to do
00:24:04.160 is dose them up with chemicals,
00:24:06.260 give them a chemical cosh,
00:24:07.420 and just shut them up.
00:24:09.560 And this guy was like,
00:24:11.140 no, I'm going to ask these prisoners
00:24:13.360 about what are the voices in your heads saying.
00:24:18.120 And what you discovered
00:24:19.220 was that what the voices in the heads were saying
00:24:21.820 was remarkably consistent.
00:24:24.560 Even among people
00:24:25.720 who could not possibly have met one another,
00:24:28.680 the voices were saying the same thing.
00:24:31.880 And the voices were saying things,
00:24:34.120 for example,
00:24:35.640 if one of these patients,
00:24:37.140 prisoners, whatever,
00:24:38.400 started showing an interest in going to church,
00:24:40.780 the voices would give them a really hard time.
00:24:43.680 They would nag them non-stop.
00:24:44.900 Don't go.
00:24:45.380 You really don't want to go to prison.
00:24:48.420 Anything beneficial to the well-being
00:24:51.040 of these prisoners,
00:24:52.980 the voices were really, really against them.
00:24:55.200 They were encouraging self-harm.
00:24:58.180 And you even got extreme examples of this
00:25:01.740 where one of the voices told this guy,
00:25:05.780 if you poke your eye out,
00:25:08.000 I'm going to make things really good for you.
00:25:10.020 I'll save you from all this.
00:25:14.020 I'll get you out of prison or whatever.
00:25:16.280 So the prisoner poked his eye out
00:25:18.900 and the voice said,
00:25:20.780 ha ha.
00:25:23.840 So he then started experimenting
00:25:26.840 with novel ways of treating these prisoners.
00:25:30.120 And he discovered
00:25:32.080 that when you get them to say
00:25:35.180 the 23rd Psalm,
00:25:37.100 the demons,
00:25:39.320 sorry,
00:25:39.780 the voices,
00:25:40.780 hate it
00:25:42.180 and the voices start going.
00:25:45.660 Hmm.
00:25:46.280 This guy who's been given awards
00:25:48.180 for his success
00:25:48.980 in treating paranoid schizophrenics,
00:25:51.560 he found that the most effective treatment
00:25:54.000 was not chemicals.
00:25:55.660 It was the 23rd Psalm.
00:25:59.100 Wow.
00:25:59.540 Now,
00:26:00.980 go figure.
00:26:02.440 It is incredible.
00:26:03.540 The spiritual realities
00:26:05.300 are what we're here about.
00:26:07.120 I mean,
00:26:07.320 I think you would agree
00:26:08.580 the whole reason,
00:26:10.920 purpose,
00:26:11.440 raison d'être
00:26:12.020 of our entire lives
00:26:13.400 is to,
00:26:14.440 as the Catholics would put it,
00:26:15.500 no love and serve God
00:26:16.340 in this world
00:26:16.780 so we can be happy with him
00:26:18.040 forever and the next.
00:26:19.580 Yeah.
00:26:19.680 The idea then
00:26:21.520 of the prince of this world
00:26:23.000 basically opposing that program
00:26:27.000 makes total sense.
00:26:29.220 And it's interesting
00:26:29.940 because you are a high church
00:26:32.900 or traditional Anglican
00:26:33.980 which,
00:26:34.340 as you said previously,
00:26:36.220 it gives you a big scope
00:26:37.900 to believe.
00:26:39.420 Yeah.
00:26:39.820 In the Church of England,
00:26:40.980 you can go
00:26:41.740 more Catholic than the Catholics
00:26:44.420 right down to lower church
00:26:46.620 than Luther.
00:26:47.060 You get a lot of leeway
00:26:49.300 so you can pick and mix.
00:26:50.500 So I'm very comfortable
00:26:53.180 in this environment.
00:26:54.040 I can,
00:26:54.780 there's room for all of this.
00:26:56.240 One of the things
00:26:57.280 with Catholics
00:26:58.460 and particularly those
00:27:01.200 who have been brought up
00:27:02.580 in this school,
00:27:03.200 you might say,
00:27:03.740 of St. Louis de Montfort
00:27:04.640 which is the,
00:27:05.600 to my mind anyway,
00:27:06.540 the greatest devotee
00:27:08.380 of Our Lady
00:27:08.820 and teacher
00:27:09.360 of the Church's approach
00:27:11.180 to the Mother of Jesus,
00:27:12.440 the Mother of God.
00:27:13.360 It is a very particular thing
00:27:15.320 that he,
00:27:16.760 and the Church
00:27:17.740 encourages devotion
00:27:19.880 to Our Lady
00:27:20.920 in a special way.
00:27:22.760 There's a general devotion
00:27:23.720 to all the saints,
00:27:24.780 you know,
00:27:25.060 because they're close to God
00:27:25.920 and we can ask
00:27:26.580 for their intercession.
00:27:27.920 But devotion to Our Lady
00:27:29.620 is different
00:27:30.700 in that
00:27:32.200 our Lord asks for it
00:27:34.500 specifically
00:27:35.220 and
00:27:36.600 the Fatima thing,
00:27:39.460 if you will,
00:27:41.040 is
00:27:41.520 actually geared to
00:27:43.620 having the world
00:27:45.840 recognize
00:27:46.840 the honor
00:27:48.520 and glory
00:27:49.000 that's supposed
00:27:49.460 to be given
00:27:49.940 to His Holy Mother,
00:27:51.580 to Our Lady.
00:27:52.840 And it's a weird thing
00:27:53.680 because that's fought
00:27:54.940 by and large
00:27:55.560 by the whole
00:27:56.860 of the Protestants.
00:27:58.100 Even in Anglicanism,
00:27:59.880 the low church part
00:28:01.220 is similarly,
00:28:02.100 oh,
00:28:02.420 it's terrible,
00:28:03.120 terrible.
00:28:03.660 How have you come
00:28:04.920 to grips
00:28:05.260 with that
00:28:06.280 kind of
00:28:07.100 understanding?
00:28:08.700 Weirdly enough,
00:28:09.440 my church
00:28:10.220 is dedicated
00:28:11.500 to St. Mary.
00:28:13.260 So,
00:28:13.480 don't forget,
00:28:16.080 before the Reformation,
00:28:17.780 we were
00:28:18.500 one and the same.
00:28:20.640 So,
00:28:21.540 we've got that tradition
00:28:22.440 to call on.
00:28:23.560 I mean,
00:28:24.100 like,
00:28:25.720 my church
00:28:26.620 was
00:28:27.100 in my,
00:28:28.260 almost in my garden.
00:28:29.500 I mean,
00:28:29.720 it's a,
00:28:30.000 yeah,
00:28:30.160 it's five,
00:28:30.760 ten minutes walk away.
00:28:31.780 It was built
00:28:32.300 in the 13th century.
00:28:35.300 So,
00:28:36.260 it would have
00:28:36.920 more in common
00:28:38.160 with,
00:28:39.340 well,
00:28:39.560 I mean,
00:28:40.040 there was just,
00:28:41.160 there was no distinction
00:28:41.860 between Catholic
00:28:42.580 and Protestant
00:28:43.140 in those days.
00:28:44.800 So,
00:28:44.960 I think we're all one.
00:28:46.560 I don't like
00:28:47.200 ecumenicism.
00:28:48.240 I mean,
00:28:48.900 I'm not comfortable
00:28:49.700 with that.
00:28:50.620 But I do think
00:28:51.280 we're all Christians
00:28:52.580 and we're all
00:28:53.100 batting for the same team.
00:28:54.800 It's very interesting,
00:28:55.840 isn't it?
00:28:56.020 You must have experienced
00:28:56.820 this coming here
00:28:57.640 to Russia.
00:28:59.020 There's a bit of
00:28:59.620 sort of confirmation bias
00:29:00.680 and the people
00:29:01.480 we've been intending
00:29:02.000 to talk to
00:29:02.620 have been
00:29:03.020 holy people.
00:29:04.340 and the bishops
00:29:06.420 and archbishops
00:29:07.180 have been telling us
00:29:07.940 that maybe only
00:29:09.580 3% of the population
00:29:10.980 of 120 million
00:29:12.320 are regular
00:29:14.120 churchgoers.
00:29:15.500 Nevertheless,
00:29:16.600 I really sense
00:29:18.380 that they get here
00:29:19.820 in the way
00:29:20.900 that we largely
00:29:21.440 have forgotten
00:29:21.980 in the West
00:29:22.640 that this is
00:29:23.360 the battle
00:29:24.080 between good
00:29:25.020 and evil
00:29:26.700 and Christendom.
00:29:28.620 we've got to preserve
00:29:29.860 the integrity
00:29:30.720 of Christendom
00:29:32.100 in our war
00:29:33.360 against the forces
00:29:34.460 of darkness
00:29:35.040 because I think
00:29:35.580 we are coming up
00:29:37.200 for the final battle.
00:29:38.900 I know Jesus tells us
00:29:40.180 we're not supposed
00:29:40.720 to know the time.
00:29:42.360 But, you know,
00:29:43.180 there are kind of
00:29:43.880 sort of kind of
00:29:44.620 clues.
00:29:45.580 Yeah, the vaccine
00:29:46.200 is a bit like
00:29:47.160 the mark of the beast.
00:29:48.640 And I think...
00:29:49.640 It's interesting.
00:29:49.840 He says,
00:29:50.220 yeah, we're not supposed
00:29:50.820 to know the day
00:29:51.460 nor the hour.
00:29:52.700 But I've always wondered
00:29:53.680 if we're supposed
00:29:54.240 to know the month
00:29:54.860 or the year.
00:29:55.820 He gives us hints
00:29:56.960 in that same time.
00:29:58.580 He starts out with,
00:30:00.500 look,
00:30:01.020 when you know
00:30:01.600 that the time is near.
00:30:02.560 But you're not supposed
00:30:03.480 to know the day
00:30:03.920 or the hour.
00:30:04.720 It's interesting
00:30:05.300 because he's giving you
00:30:06.020 hints and clues
00:30:06.720 as to when generally
00:30:09.060 it is,
00:30:09.620 but telling it
00:30:10.460 at the same time.
00:30:11.120 You won't know
00:30:11.540 the exact time,
00:30:12.520 but know nearly.
00:30:14.380 Well, I suppose
00:30:15.040 you think about
00:30:15.740 through the ages
00:30:16.620 since the time of Christ,
00:30:18.560 probably everyone's thought
00:30:20.520 that they're living
00:30:21.560 in end times.
00:30:23.080 And so he wants people,
00:30:24.300 he doesn't want people
00:30:24.820 to slack.
00:30:25.540 He doesn't want them to,
00:30:26.920 he doesn't want to be
00:30:28.040 like the foolish virgins.
00:30:30.920 He wants them
00:30:31.380 to be like the wise ones.
00:30:32.580 Let me ask you this finally.
00:30:34.100 You haven't looked much
00:30:35.540 into this revelation
00:30:38.380 of Our Lady of Fatima.
00:30:39.660 I think you'd find it
00:30:40.820 a very interesting study
00:30:41.960 because the evidence
00:30:43.120 is there.
00:30:43.860 Yeah.
00:30:44.480 It is the secular evidence
00:30:46.940 from the newspapers
00:30:47.680 and it's quite
00:30:48.880 the rabbit hole
00:30:49.580 to go down.
00:30:51.060 This is why we need
00:30:51.980 to do a podcast on this
00:30:53.140 and you can explain
00:30:53.940 it all to me.
00:30:54.620 I would love to.
00:30:55.280 Because my people,
00:30:56.940 I'd say,
00:30:59.100 a good chunk of them
00:31:00.040 are Christians
00:31:00.500 and even the ones
00:31:02.120 who are not,
00:31:03.740 it's another good
00:31:05.180 rabbit hole,
00:31:06.320 isn't it?
00:31:06.860 Indeed it is.
00:31:07.820 We've all heard
00:31:08.640 of Fatima.
00:31:09.720 And I would contend
00:31:10.760 it's the rabbit hole
00:31:12.060 for our times
00:31:12.780 because she actually
00:31:14.580 predicted what we're
00:31:15.720 living through
00:31:16.220 and very interestingly,
00:31:18.440 it all surrounded
00:31:19.340 Russia.
00:31:21.300 Yeah.
00:31:21.920 Yeah.
00:31:23.880 You do feel it here.
00:31:26.200 You do.
00:31:27.600 It's very powerful.
00:31:29.640 And I think that,
00:31:30.780 so,
00:31:32.020 one of the guys we met
00:31:33.200 has given me
00:31:34.120 the coolest thing.
00:31:36.320 This badge,
00:31:39.680 a stick-on thing,
00:31:41.660 like soldiers stick
00:31:42.940 onto their,
00:31:43.960 they have this sort
00:31:44.900 of fuzzy stuff
00:31:45.700 that they stick
00:31:46.620 on the badges
00:31:47.100 to their uniforms
00:31:48.200 and it's got the face
00:31:50.360 of Christ on it
00:31:51.640 and I think stuff
00:31:53.840 about the restoration
00:31:54.760 of the Tsar,
00:31:55.380 but I like the idea
00:31:57.260 that these soldiers
00:31:58.120 are going into battle
00:31:59.200 with the face of Jesus,
00:32:02.000 a bit like Constantine
00:32:04.680 going into the battle
00:32:06.000 with the sign of the cross.
00:32:07.020 They really get it.
00:32:08.940 Yeah.
00:32:09.520 Yeah.
00:32:09.840 It's a fascinating thing
00:32:11.040 because all throughout history,
00:32:12.780 even in the 1600s,
00:32:15.760 Margaret Marietta Koch
00:32:16.820 was asked by our Lord,
00:32:18.140 told the French king
00:32:19.320 should put the image
00:32:20.860 of my sacred heart
00:32:21.700 as an emblem
00:32:22.520 upon their armaments
00:32:23.580 and he would give them
00:32:24.400 victory in the battle.
00:32:25.740 They never did that
00:32:26.540 and a hundred years
00:32:28.120 to the day
00:32:28.900 after our Lord
00:32:30.440 made the request
00:32:31.040 and was unfulfilled
00:32:31.820 was the day
00:32:32.660 that the royal family
00:32:33.780 was removed
00:32:34.380 from the palace
00:32:35.700 before they were all killed
00:32:37.100 to start the revolution.
00:32:39.340 So it's an interesting thing
00:32:40.600 to have our Lord
00:32:42.040 and carrying him into battle
00:32:43.480 both figuratively
00:32:44.240 and really.
00:32:45.640 I realized recently
00:32:46.720 that Joan of Arc
00:32:47.460 was a goodie
00:32:48.080 because I'd always been
00:32:48.860 brought up to believe,
00:32:49.700 well, she's working
00:32:50.740 for the French
00:32:51.340 against us,
00:32:52.120 the English.
00:32:52.860 I now realize
00:32:54.000 that, yeah,
00:32:56.160 she was our girl
00:32:57.520 even if we're English.
00:32:59.260 Yeah.
00:32:59.620 Maybe we were the baddies
00:33:00.900 in this particular scenario.
00:33:03.260 Have you seen that movie
00:33:04.280 by the way?
00:33:05.300 The black and white
00:33:06.580 Joan of Arc movie?
00:33:07.840 No, I have not.
00:33:09.740 Very good.
00:33:10.560 Oh, excellent.
00:33:11.260 Well, you look into Fatima.
00:33:12.400 I'll help you do that
00:33:13.060 and I'll look up this movie.
00:33:14.360 Yeah.
00:33:14.840 All right.
00:33:15.680 James Delicpole,
00:33:16.560 thank you so much
00:33:17.120 for joining us.
00:33:17.560 Thank you very much.
00:33:18.180 God bless you.
00:33:18.940 Thank you.
00:33:20.020 And God bless all of you.
00:33:21.940 And we'll see you next time.
00:33:22.700 We'll see you next time.
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