The John-Henry Westen Show - Fatima’s Third Secret： Apostasy, Liturgy, and the Unfinished Warning

00:00:00.140 Ratzinger at some point reportedly told Dallinger about the content of the Third Secret.

00:00:06.520 In 2000, the Third Secret was published and Dallinger said, that's not what Ratzinger told me.

00:00:12.580 Hey my friends, as you know, over at LifeSite News, we've been talking about Our Lady of Fatima

00:00:16.960 because this is the 100th year anniversary of calling for the Five First Saturday devotions.

00:00:25.360 However, there is a lot of controversy around Our Lady of Fatima and the Third Message,

00:00:32.560 the secret, which was left secret until supposed to be revealed in 1960 and then never was.

00:00:38.380 In 2000, the Vatican said that they were releasing it.

00:00:41.960 And when it came out, it was very strange.

00:00:45.140 When you read it, and it was about, you know, a Pope who would go up a mountain and get shot,

00:00:50.380 it didn't have anything in it that made you think,

00:00:56.140 huh, what?

00:00:57.680 What would have caused them to hang on to it for so many years, not reveal it in 1960?

00:01:03.140 Also in the message, Our Lady says,

00:01:06.300 she warns that various nations would be annihilated.

00:01:10.320 That's never happened yet.

00:01:12.540 What are we looking at with the messages of Our Lady of Fatima?

00:01:16.660 Is there more to it?

00:01:18.520 And LifeSite's, I would say one of LifeSite's primary researchers who's dug into things like no one else,

00:01:26.400 Dr. Micah Hickson is here and she's done another in-depth study,

00:01:30.900 finding all sorts of fascinating, just absolutely fascinating things.

00:01:35.420 I know you're going to want to hear about it.

00:01:36.800 Micah Hickson, so good to be with you.

00:01:38.840 Hello, John Henry.

00:01:40.080 Thank you for having me.

00:01:41.780 Indeed.

00:01:42.220 Let's begin, as you always do, with the sign of the cross.

00:01:44.260 In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.

00:01:50.080 Amen.

00:01:51.280 Micah, I'm so thrilled because you are my first guest at the Sign of the Cross version of the John Henry Weston Show.

00:01:59.960 And so I thank you so much for being part of this, for your generosity in all you've done for LifeSite and now for Sign of the Cross.

00:02:09.580 May God bless you.

00:02:10.120 It's a great honor.

00:02:10.980 Thank you, John Henry.

00:02:11.720 Indeed.

00:02:13.000 So tell us about this.

00:02:14.560 I mean, you've been looking at this question of the Fatima, the Fatima messages, the consecration, the issues surrounding it, and the secret for many, many years.

00:02:25.780 And you found some new material again.

00:02:28.880 Tell us.

00:02:29.240 Yeah, we will later come back to the 2016 episode with Pope Benedict when I touched on the third secret discussion earlier.

00:02:40.520 But yeah, as you know, sometimes it's years that nothing new happens in this field.

00:02:45.140 And then we just recently had Cardinal Burke giving a homily on an anniversary, 13 July, of Our Lady's apparitions in Fatima.

00:02:56.060 And in that homily, he said, and I quote him here, the message of Fatima, quote, speaks about the practical apostasy of our time, that is the going away from Christ by so many in the church and the violence and death which are its fruit.

00:03:13.440 So that was a stunning remark because he speaks here about a public, a practical apostasy.

00:03:22.000 And as we know from the published secret, the supposed third secret of 2000, apostasy, the word does not appear in the text.

00:03:32.780 So he actually adds something that is not in the three secrets of Fatima, as they were given to the three shepherd children in 1917.

00:03:43.600 Our Lady talks about repentance, about the sins of men, about upcoming wars, you know, if we don't mend our lives. 0.99

00:03:51.360 But she doesn't use the word apostasy.

00:03:53.860 And of course, we see it in front of our eyes.

00:03:56.660 But why is Cardinal Burke speaking about apostasy?

00:03:58.980 And that relies back to other issues, you know, Cardinals who have talked about that, and we come to that later.

00:04:05.900 But the second thing was also that there's a secular study coming out that now speaks about the result of the Second Vatican Council and for the faith of the Catholics worldwide.

00:04:19.200 And I quote here a short sentence that Lifesight has published, too.

00:04:24.840 And it said the study that Vatican II in 1962 to 1965 triggered a decline in worldwide Catholic attendance relative to that in other denominations.

00:04:37.000 So this study essentially showed, again, that there was a wide apostasy taking place in the wake of the Second Vatican Council.

00:04:47.440 And the Council has been mentioned in the past, as we say in a moment, with regard to Fatima, but it's not in the published version.

00:04:55.180 So then third, what also happened is that in an email, a Twitter on X, an exchange that I had, some account, some user sent me a link or mentioned that Father Ritberger has spoken about the Third Secret last year.

00:05:14.220 And I had not seen that Father Ritberger had been given an interview to Franciscan Friars, Immaculata Radio.

00:05:23.280 And in that interview, and I sum up a little bit, he talked at length, he was explicitly asked, you know, what do we know about the Third Secret of Fatima?

00:05:34.740 But then he goes on to mention other prelates that have talked, that he found on the Internet some time back, who speak about the danger of altering the liturgy.

00:05:46.000 And they talked about a council that could cause great scandal.

00:05:51.860 These are people who have read or have heard from those who have read the secret, talking about a problematic council and the apostasy from the faith and something also to do with a changed liturgy.

00:06:07.280 That's very interesting because the secret was to be revealed in 1960.

00:06:13.800 That was very explicit from Our Lady.

00:06:16.360 And yet it was not.

00:06:18.560 For whatever reason, it was held.

00:06:20.540 And if it did say something about a council and the changing of the mass, that was already sort of not so much in the works, perhaps, but in the planning stages at that time.

00:06:34.280 So it's pretty clear why they wouldn't have wanted to release it.

00:06:37.860 Exactly.

00:06:38.380 Exactly.

00:06:39.000 And that's exactly Father Ripperger's argument that he says, well, 1960 would have been exactly that time frame of the council and the new mass that was introduced in the wake of the council still in the 60s.

00:06:52.720 And that he, while not being able to name names or getting too specific, but for me, what my eyes or ears were pricked is by the fact that he said he himself heard it around the circle of the secretaries of Cardinal Ratzinger, even though he can't reveal exactly what he heard.

00:07:14.640 But then he speaks about the council and the liturgy, and he gives credence that there should be something still.

00:07:22.640 And then he mentions Cardinal Chiapie, and I will mention him in just a second.

00:07:28.140 But the fact is, and that's where we go back to Dr. Darlinger, Ingo Darlinger, the story that I published in 2016.

00:07:34.240 Before we get there, I think it's so important that Father Ripperger is mentioning that.

00:07:39.960 I would like to actually play the clip for you all, just so that you see for yourself.

00:07:44.120 Because Father Ripperger is now, he's sort of, if you will, taken on the mantle of Father Gabriel Amorth, the Rome's exorcist who is world famous.

00:07:55.680 Father Ripperger has really taken on that role.

00:07:58.500 He just wanted, I'm sure.

00:08:00.460 But nevertheless, our Lord has sort of bestowed that upon him as a central figure in terms of fighting the devil, if you will, in the world today.

00:08:10.160 Without being asked for that position, that's where he is.

00:08:12.320 So his words bear a lot of weight.

00:08:14.120 Let's listen to what he had to say.

00:08:15.160 When I read the third secret that they did, or that secret that they did give us, or the content that they did give us, I thought to myself, well, wait a minute.

00:08:22.440 You held onto this thing for 40 years.

00:08:26.280 And there's practically nothing in it.

00:08:28.320 Whereas in the past, the recognition was, this thing was pretty serious.

00:08:32.100 And they didn't want it out because they were concerned about the scandals of the faithful, et cetera.

00:08:35.140 I mean, I'm not at liberty to talk about it, but when I was in Rome, Cardinal Ratzinger had read The Third Secret, and he was talking about the contents of it to some of his secretaries.

00:08:49.720 And so via that channel, I did hear some of the content.

00:08:54.520 There's other low-level prelates who actually have been talking about this.

00:09:01.400 And so I can reveal these two things, at least, because they're out in the public sector.

00:09:05.380 If you dig enough hard on the Internet, you may not be able to use Google because Google does all sorts of weird things with their results that they give to you.

00:09:13.620 But if you've actually read it.

00:09:15.300 So one, there was an archbishop in the Vatican who said that he said, and I'm not making a judgment on this.

00:09:25.300 I'm just saying this is what he said.

00:09:26.660 But he said that one of the contents of The Third Secret of Fatima is that Our Lady warned about adding extraneous elements to the liturgy.

00:09:38.040 And so that was one thing, which is kind of interesting because, you know, supposedly that Our Lady wanted it released in 1960, which would have been averted a lot of the stuff that we would have seen, I think.

00:09:50.360 But then the other part of it was, and this is, again, something which this guy said, so I'm just, don't kill the messenger, I tell people.

00:09:58.000 I'm just telling what this guy said, that actually that she warned against Vatican II, but I'm not convinced that's, I mean, I can't imagine Our Lady saying, hey, Vatican II, don't have it.

00:10:07.360 I don't think she would have said it quite that way.

00:10:09.600 But I think that there were certain things that she said about the upcoming things that were going to happen in the church.

00:10:16.420 And as a result of that, that's why she was warning about this, these are the things that are going to happen, whether it was the apostasy from the top, you know, this is the stuff.

00:10:27.000 And so when John XXIII said, well, these things, the alleged thing is that he said, well, these things don't apply to our time.

00:10:33.820 Well, apparently they might have.

00:10:35.520 So I think ultimately, as I mentioned, I can't talk about these things specifically, but I do think that eventually we will reveal it.

00:10:46.440 And my basic attitude is, you know, it's better just to be transparent and let this stuff out.

00:10:52.740 If it did make reference to what we're seeing now, then let's just own up to it and have our reckoning and just deal with it and so that we can move on.

00:11:01.000 That's stunning that he would say these things.

00:11:03.920 So this is not some, you know, far-fetched idea believed by very few.

00:11:09.820 It's like a conspiracy theory.

00:11:12.020 No, it's actually very much in the mainstream among the Orthodox, among those who actually believe the faith, to question what's happening here, to wonder at this.

00:11:25.160 In fact, every Fatima scholar I've ever, ever read talks about this difficulty with, you know, they all said, and these are the ones prior to the release of the secret, was it all, it starts with, you know, in Portugal, the faith will always be retained.

00:11:44.660 And so that comes nowhere in our secret.

00:11:48.580 Anyway, before we went to the clip, you were talking about Father Ingo Dallinger.

00:11:51.640 How does Father Dallinger figure into this story?

00:11:54.500 So Father Dallinger had given originally an interview to Father Kramer, who had published it with the Fatima Center.

00:12:03.000 And in 2016, I only kind of called Dr. Dallinger in Germany at the time.

00:12:09.440 He was already very sick, but he was able to respond to my questions and was willing to.

00:12:14.160 And I had called him to just ask more or less confirm the story that had already been published in 2009, namely that Cardinal Ratzinger had talked to him before the publication of the official version of the third secret in 2000.

00:12:30.940 And had told him, yeah, it's about, and this is kind of the summary.

00:12:35.500 I wouldn't say that this is exactly the wording of the secret, but it's about a bad mess and about a bad council warnings against.

00:12:43.440 And he confirmed it to me.

00:12:46.520 And so we went ahead, published it at the time with Steve Skojak at 1 Peter 5.

00:12:51.340 And I think the next day, the latest, Pope Benedict, for the first time, came out of retirement to deny the story and saying that he has never spoken with Dr. Dallinger about Fatima.

00:13:05.680 Dr. Dallinger, however, was a close collaborator with Cardinal Ratzinger for many years.

00:13:11.420 There are many photos that I've seen myself of them together, and also I've talked with the secretary of Dr. Dallinger at length.

00:13:20.240 I published multiple reports on his work, for example, his heavy involvement in the 1983 CDF declaration that it is still banned to become a Freemason

00:13:32.760 because the new code of canon law under Pope John Paul II had mentioned, had dropped the explicit mentioning of Freemasonry.

00:13:40.420 And so Dr. Dallinger, who had worked for the German bishops in this issue, he had been tasked to find out whether Catholics and Freemasons could work together for the German bishops' conference.

00:13:52.980 So he had been an expert in this field.

00:13:55.500 And so he started a commission under Cardinal Ratzinger.

00:13:59.560 And it's a very exciting story of how they won the last votes in favor of a ban, a renewal of the ban, explicit, in the last minute before the final vote of the commission.

00:14:12.540 So there is evidence that they worked closely together.

00:14:16.020 And, but of course, you know, Cardinal Ratzinger, how Benedict denied the story, I called Dr. Dallinger back, he restated, he said, no, I stick to my story.

00:14:26.960 I talked with the secretary, she said, she remembers.

00:14:30.140 So what happened is, that's the other part.

00:14:32.460 So after Ratzinger at some point reportedly told Ratzinger about the content of the third secret, in 2000, the third secret was published and Dallinger said, that's not what Ratzinger told me.

00:14:45.720 So at that time, in June of 2000, he went to St. Peter's to the secretary, as I recall, right, they might have celebrated Mass, Cardinal Ratzinger and Dr. Dallinger, or he was at St. Peter's.

00:15:00.020 He approached Ratzinger in the secretary after Mass and said, your eminence, this is not what you told me, you know, this is not the secret.

00:15:08.160 But he, Cardinal Ratzinger, kind of tried to escape just muttering or saying, you know, we haven't, this is not all, there's something else, you know, just an indication, a slight indication of admitting that's not all.

00:15:21.000 But, so that was denied by Pope Benedict.

00:15:25.580 But the secretary told me over the phone that she remembers at the time in 2000, that Dr. Dallinger called her into Germany and said, listen, this is what just happened.

00:15:35.880 So this is Dr. Dallinger's secretary?

00:15:39.980 The secretary told me personally that she, so she's kind of a second source confirming that Dallinger called her right at the moment.

00:15:49.080 I went to Cardinal Ratzinger and this is what she told me.

00:15:52.200 Wow.

00:15:53.140 Yeah, there's word against word.

00:15:55.040 You know, I don't want to judge anyone's interior life here.

00:15:59.100 But the thing is that I was stunned when Father Ritberger mentioned the circle around Ratzinger and what he heard from a totally different background than Dr. Dallinger.

00:16:13.160 They have no connections, Father Ritberger and Dr. Dallinger.

00:16:16.760 And Ritberger himself, after hearing from the circle of Ratzinger, most probably in the 90s, before 2000, you know, around, or he would have looked at it earlier before 2000, that it confirms, in a sense, Dr. Dallinger's story, because Ritberger gives credence to the claims that there's something about the council and something about altering the liturgy.

00:16:41.940 And if he hadn't heard from the circle of Ratzinger, he might not have believed some of the other stories he later heard online.

00:16:50.480 There was another part of the Dallinger story that I recall.

00:16:55.380 Tell us about that, about the smoke coming up.

00:17:00.060 It's good that you bring this up because it actually shows that Dr. Dallinger spoke truth in another area in the interview with Father Kramer from 2009 with the Fatima Center, the Fatima Crusader.

00:17:12.520 Father Kramer sums up what he talked with Dr. Dallinger.

00:17:15.520 It's not a Dr. Dallinger interview, but he sums up what he learned from Dr. Dallinger.

00:17:20.820 And that was that Dr. Dallinger, who helped found a seminary in Brazil for the Opus Angelorum.

00:17:28.140 So Bishop Athanasius Schneider actually was a student of Dr. Dallinger's and revered him very much.

00:17:37.900 He visited him at his deathbed.

00:17:39.720 And he also set the requiem as for Dr. Dallinger after he had passed.

00:17:46.600 Wow.

00:17:48.000 That's stunning all by itself because in today's day and age, Bishop Athanasius Schneider is such a huge figure.

00:17:55.580 So to know that he was a student of Dr. Dallinger's and celebrated his requiem mass and was with him at his deathbed, that's incredible.

00:18:04.760 So anyway, it gives a lot of credence to Dr. Dallinger.

00:18:07.340 They were at this seminary in one of the rooms talking, some seminarians and Dr. Dallinger.

00:18:15.300 And they had a conversation about the Second Vatican Council and how Cardinal Tisseron must have been really having a really bad role in the machinations of the council.

00:18:27.400 They had led the council discussions away from what had originally been prepared, which was all Catholic Orthodox, into novelties and changes.

00:18:36.620 And so, as I recall, there was a word, you know, he had a diabolical role or something satanic.

00:18:42.740 And at that moment, smoke came out of the floor.

00:18:46.780 It was a marble floor and there was smoke, a plume of smoke coming up.

00:18:50.640 And everybody was just so stunned that they actually wrote up the report.

00:18:56.440 And but at that time with Father Kramer, that's all he said.

00:18:59.960 Yeah, we talked about Father Cardinal Tisseron and smoke came up.

00:19:04.480 Well, many, many years later, I was approached and I was given this document from the archives of Dr. Dallinger and LifeSite.

00:19:12.580 We published it.

00:19:14.160 It can be still found.

00:19:15.840 And that document is signed by two priests.

00:19:19.120 I had to black out the second, but the second name is known to me.

00:19:23.840 But since he's still alive, you know, I didn't have the liberty to reveal his name.

00:19:29.960 But Dr. Dallinger was the second signatory.

00:19:32.520 And they wrote up the report about what happened and they sent it into Cardinal Ratzinger to Rome at the time.

00:19:39.580 Oh, and that's just the report of the smoke coming up for no reason.

00:19:43.360 There's no, it wasn't like there was a kiln underneath or anything else.

00:19:47.080 No, and they investigated, of course, is there any fire?

00:19:49.860 Where is it coming from?

00:19:50.780 And there was no evidence that there was a fire.

00:19:54.420 Fascinating.

00:19:54.680 So what I would like to to just tie this or make it even stronger, this whole, let's say, suspicion that there's still some something missing in the third secret is something that Father Ripperger in his interview mentions.

00:20:09.020 And that's Cardinal Schiappi.

00:20:10.840 We have Cardinal Schiappi and Cardinal Odi, two cardinals who both made very important comments much earlier before the publication in 2000 of the third secret.

00:20:19.900 Let me first go to Cardinal Odi, and he gave an interview in 1990.

00:20:26.300 And in that interview, he was one time a close collaborator of John XXIII when he wasn't yet Pope.

00:20:32.880 And there are conflicting comments, whether he's seen the third secret or not, I can't say.

00:20:39.820 But he is known, it's actually public knowledge, it was written by an English newspaper upon his death that he said in public, he urged John XXIII to publish the third secret.

00:20:53.620 And he was very dismayed that he didn't do it at his time.

00:20:57.540 And he said in this 1990 interview, that he believed that the third secret had to do with the Second Vatican Council.

00:21:06.020 And he said, quote, what happened in 1960?

00:21:09.360 So he refers again, why did it need to be published in 1960, the third secret?

00:21:13.520 Why that time?

00:21:14.960 And he says, the Cardinal, what happened in 1960 that might have been seen in connection with the secret of Fatima?

00:21:20.520 However, the most important event is without a doubt, the launching of the preparatory phase of the Second Vatican Council.

00:21:28.040 Therefore, he says, I would not be surprised if the secret had something to do with the convocation of Vatican II.

00:21:36.280 And then he later said in the same interview,

00:21:39.400 I would not be surprised if the third secret alluded to dark times for the church, grave confusions and troubling apostasy within Catholicism itself.

00:21:53.880 If we consider the grave crisis we have lived through since the council, the signs that this prophecy has been fulfilled do not seem to be lacking.

00:22:09.460 I'm sorry.

00:22:10.600 So, again, this is very important.

00:22:14.160 He thinks it has to do with the council, and he thinks it has to do with the loss of faith, with apostasy.

00:22:20.460 So in his case, we don't know that he's seen the secret.

00:22:23.340 He might have talked with people in the surrounding of the pope.

00:22:26.720 But then we have Cardinal Chiapi, who has read the Third Secret.

00:22:32.940 And he has written a letter, a private letter, to Dr. Baumgartner in Germany.

00:22:40.080 And he spoke about the great apostasy in the church that would begin at the top.

00:22:45.940 So now we have also Dr. Alice from Hildebrand, whose husband, Dietrich von Hildebrand, and she were having a lot of connections to Rome, of course, as being Catholic philosophers.

00:23:00.320 And she recounted in a story I was involved in getting that published at the time at 1 Peter 5, with the help of Father Brian Harrison, who was friends with her before her death.

00:23:10.940 She wanted it to be published.

00:23:12.940 And in that text that she submitted to 1 Peter 5, she recounts a story that she and her husband sat together with a monsignor from Los Avatorios Romano, the Vatican newspaper.

00:23:25.520 And that monsignor told them that the third secret spoke about apostasy at the top of the church, that the third secret is about an apostasy at the top.

00:23:37.060 So if we spell that out, it would mean that the leaders of the church make changes in a council and in the liturgy that leads to a loss of faith.

00:23:49.300 And of course, how would we think that Our Lady would appear and warn us against that great evil of communism?

00:23:57.140 And she announces world wars to end and the world war to start, and she would not warn us against liturgical and doctrinal changes that will lead to the enormous loss of faith.

00:24:13.220 It's just hard to believe, you know.

00:24:15.480 It totally doesn't make sense.

00:24:17.860 It would not make sense.

00:24:18.800 Yeah, in that perspective, from a heavenly perspective, when even nuclear war is not as deadly as the alteration and the damage to the faiths, it makes no sense that she would come and warn about world war and not warn about the greatest revolution the church has ever seen.

00:24:42.220 That devastation from the aftermath of what it went from, you know, the 50s, where faith seemed to be at a heyday, to today, where the faith is all but destroyed.

00:24:57.820 Because even among those who call themselves Catholic, how many actually believe?

00:25:01.700 And the numbers are staggeringly low in their faith in the Eucharist and in just the elements of the faith that are just what every child once upon a time knew.

00:25:13.680 So that destruction being so severe that heaven just sort of skipped that part doesn't make any sense at all.

00:25:24.040 It goes along with her warnings, the other ones, but it doesn't make sense to skip them.

00:25:28.840 But what in this context is really important is also what we know about Pope Pius XII, because he more or less gives us perhaps the most specific content of the third secret.

00:25:42.500 And this is reported to us later on.

00:25:45.160 It was also, again, it's interesting.

00:25:46.640 A lot of these things come to us through private conversations.

00:25:50.620 They leak, because nobody is supposed to talk about, but then people are troubled by what they read or heard.

00:25:58.440 And they, you know, that we are humans.

00:26:00.160 You know, it's about the loss of faith.

00:26:01.980 It's a danger.

00:26:02.980 We talk, right?

00:26:04.440 And so Cardinal Pacelli, when he wasn't yet Pope Pius XII, spoke to a friend of his, Count Enrico Pietro Galeazzi.

00:26:14.100 And this was in 1933, and it was much later published.

00:26:20.200 It was kind of a quote from it had leaked earlier, but then it was only, again, 1 Peter 5, God bless Steve Skolczyk for his work, published.

00:26:29.420 When a book came out with a longer quote of what Pope Pius XII or Pacelli told his friend, that longer quote was published only eight years ago or so.

00:26:40.700 And I will bring you this quote.

00:26:43.400 We are not sure in 1933 whether Pacelli at the time has read The Third Secret or whether it was reported to him.

00:26:53.560 You know, we don't know the details, but it is stunning what he says.

00:26:57.660 And I read here now a little bit a longer quote from Cardinal Pacelli as reported in the book published by 1 Peter 5.

00:27:06.180 We can provide the link perhaps.

00:27:08.140 Quote, I'm concerned about the confidences of the Virgin to the little Lucia of Fatima.

00:27:15.500 This persistence of the good lady in face of the danger that threatens the church is a divine warning against the suicide that the alteration of the faith in its liturgy, its theology, and its soul would represent.

00:27:35.940 So this is stunning.

00:27:38.060 Cardinal Pacelli speaks about the suicide, the church's suicide, by altering its liturgy and its theology.

00:27:48.220 So that would be a new mass and a council.

00:27:52.800 I continue from Cardinal Pacelli.

00:27:56.260 I hear around me innovators who wish to dismantle the sacred chapel, destroy the universal flame of the church, reject her ornaments, and make her remorseful of her historical past.

00:28:09.620 Well, my dear friend, I'm convinced that the church of Peter must affirm her past or else she will dig her own grave. 0.91

00:28:17.780 That's Cardinal Pacelli.

00:28:19.780 That's Cardinal Pacelli.

00:28:21.200 Wow.

00:28:21.580 And that's what we have from what you actually, you know, what Father Mer, Charles Mer told you, who knew Mother Pasqualina Lennart so well, the secretary and housekeeper of Popeyes XII.

00:28:34.020 She, we could play the clip, you know, if you like, but she, she told Charles Mer, Father Mer one time, how when Popeyes XII in 1954 had the vision of the miracle of the son of Fatima in the Vatican gardens.

00:28:54.720 And he later talked to Sister Mother Pasqualina about this, and she asked him, so is there any message that came to you with this, you know, and he only said one word, apostasy.

00:29:11.340 And she is very convincing in how she describes it because she wasn't fully sure what apostasy means.

00:29:16.480 She described to Father Mer how she went to the dictionary to make sure that she understood the word.

00:29:20.680 But so, I mean, it, it always, again, and it goes to, goes to apostasy and we have to ask, well, where's that in the third secret?

00:29:28.440 Where's our lady warning us against this apostasy? 0.99

00:29:31.280 Indeed.

00:29:32.120 This is so striking because it's all of those who pay attention and dig deep into the message of Fatima that this occurs to.

00:29:42.680 It's right there on the surface, but if you don't think about it, you can gloss over these things.

00:29:49.600 The elements are all there.

00:29:51.900 The requests of our lady are all there.

00:29:54.180 We all know that Fatima is not just another private message.

00:29:58.680 I was really saddened.

00:29:59.620 I talked to a very good Catholic about, you know, the five first Saturdays.

00:30:04.680 And one of the responses off the top was, well, you know, I try not to pay attention to private revelation.

00:30:10.640 Fatima is, I mean, yeah, it has to be classed as private revelation.

00:30:15.420 But, I mean, gosh, we know it's real.

00:30:18.760 The most stupendous miracle ever done in front of the largest number of people possible was done then.

00:30:25.580 Heaven's trying to show us.

00:30:27.700 And it was very clear what she said, that, you know, we need to make these five first Saturdays.

00:30:32.320 We need to consecrate Russia. 0.99

00:30:33.280 And when it happens, Russia will convert. 0.94

00:30:35.200 But if it doesn't, then various nations will be annihilated, which has not happened yet.

00:30:44.780 You know, when our Lord watched from 1929, when Our Lady came and asked for the consecration of Russia,

00:30:52.040 a few years later, when it wasn't yet done by the Holy Father in 1931,

00:30:57.000 he appears again to Sister Lucy and says, hey, they're not, it's a paraphrase, obviously,

00:31:04.680 but they're not doing it.

00:31:06.540 They're following in the footsteps of the King of France.

00:31:10.720 And what are they not doing?

00:31:12.320 They're not doing the consecration of Russia.

00:31:14.540 They're not doing the five first Saturdays.

00:31:17.520 And so what does he say?

00:31:18.940 They're following in the footsteps of the King of France, and they will suffer the same fate.

00:31:22.240 What's the fate?

00:31:22.880 The fate is when Margaret-Marie Alacoque was asked by our Lord to tell the King of France

00:31:28.380 to put the emblem of his sacred heart and consecrate France to his sacred heart,

00:31:33.620 and they didn't do it for successive generations and generations,

00:31:37.400 a hundred years to the day after the request,

00:31:40.120 the King and his family were removed from their castle and eventually killed

00:31:43.740 at the start of the revolution that basically eliminated Catholic France.

00:31:48.860 And so our Lord warns us in 1931 that we're following in the same direction,

00:31:57.620 and they'll suffer the same fate.

00:32:00.180 And here we are coming up to the hundredth year anniversary of Fatima.

00:32:04.780 Russia's not converted.

00:32:06.600 I'm sorry, my friends.

00:32:07.960 How can you call a nation that still has one of the highest abortion rates converted?

00:32:12.740 Do you think our lady would call that converted?

00:32:15.460 They are Orthodox, not Catholic.

00:32:17.700 Do you think our lady would call that converted?

00:32:21.340 I don't think so, my friends.

00:32:23.140 We have not seen the triumph of her immaculate heart, and that is coming.

00:32:28.640 It will come when we fulfill our end of the bargain, the five first Saturdays,

00:32:33.560 which your last chance before the hundred year deadline of that is just a few days ago

00:32:40.460 with the August month, and then comes all the successive months till December.

00:32:45.860 So if you've started, great, but keep going with them.

00:32:50.220 But then we have the final thing is we're still waiting for a consecration of Russia 0.59

00:32:56.440 by the Holy Father, just Russia, in union with all the bishops of the world,

00:33:01.120 as our lady requested.

00:33:02.380 And that was asked for again in 2017, the 100th anniversary, by Cardinal Burke himself.

00:33:09.980 So let's all pray this happens.

00:33:12.820 Let's do our part with the five first Saturdays.

00:33:14.760 Any final thoughts for us, Maike?

00:33:17.080 Yeah, I'm so grateful that you brought up again and revived to remind us of the five Saturday

00:33:24.960 devotion, because as we published the statements of Bishop Bernard Verlet and Bishop Joseph Strickland

00:33:33.640 a few months ago, they both affirmed too that they don't believe that the 2022 consecration

00:33:40.380 done by Pope Francis at the time were not sufficient, because it is just the whole spirit of reparation

00:33:47.900 that's lacking in our modern church.

00:33:50.140 If we are not aware of sin, the gravity of sin, and on the contrary, you know, indulge sin in various ways,

00:34:00.040 this is not the spirit of Fatima.

00:34:02.100 The spirit of Fatima is to recognize our sins and do reparation and return to God, conversion.

00:34:08.440 And so without the five Saturday devotion being promoted by Pope Francis or by the Pope who

00:34:15.420 will do the proper consecration, it's kind of a limping consecration.

00:34:21.260 And so I'm grateful for the bishops that they came out making this statement.

00:34:25.960 And I'm grateful to you, John Henry, that you bring this to us again or bring it back to

00:34:29.800 our consciousness, because we can do something about it.

00:34:32.720 We can make our own contribution to getting the blessings, the enormous blessings that

00:34:39.340 will come to us once the Immaculate Heart of Mary is triumphing.

00:34:44.000 I think we can't even fathom.

00:34:45.740 When you see all this suffering, we know God always brings a greater good out of suffering.

00:34:51.380 When you see the immensity of suffering today, the beauty of the time of her reign will be

00:34:57.600 so beautiful, will be just so stunning.

00:35:00.440 And so, yeah, anything we can do to help this, to fasten this time, we should do.

00:35:06.220 And so thank you for doing that, John Henry.

00:35:08.580 Amen to that.

00:35:09.820 And I'm sure many of you will be wanting to read in detail and what we just talked about.

00:35:16.940 And of course, I'm speaking with Dr.

00:35:19.020 Micah Hickson, so she's the most detailed person I know, and you will find her full article

00:35:24.620 covering all these things with all the quotes at Sign of the Cross Media.

00:35:29.880 We hope to see you there.

00:35:31.160 And it'll be, of course, repeated at LifeSite as well.

00:35:33.960 So God bless you.

00:35:35.140 Thank you for joining us.

00:35:36.000 Thank you, Dr. Hickson.

00:35:36.960 God bless you.

00:35:37.420 Thank you so much, John Henry.

00:35:38.520 God bless you.

00:35:39.200 Bye-bye.

00:35:39.840 And God bless all of you.

00:35:41.600 And we'll see you next time.

The John-Henry Westen Show - August 15, 2025

Fatima’s Third Secret： Apostasy, Liturgy, and the Unfinished Warning

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