In honor of the 100th anniversary of Our Lady of Fatima's apparitions in 1917, Dr. Micah Hickson of Life Site News digs deeper into the mystery of the Third Secret, and discovers some new clues about what might have been kept from the faithful for so long.
00:02:14.560I mean, you've been looking at this question of the Fatima, the Fatima messages, the consecration, the issues surrounding it, and the secret for many, many years.
00:02:25.780And you found some new material again.
00:02:29.240Yeah, we will later come back to the 2016 episode with Pope Benedict when I touched on the third secret discussion earlier.
00:02:40.520But yeah, as you know, sometimes it's years that nothing new happens in this field.
00:02:45.140And then we just recently had Cardinal Burke giving a homily on an anniversary, 13 July, of Our Lady's apparitions in Fatima.
00:02:56.060And in that homily, he said, and I quote him here, the message of Fatima, quote, speaks about the practical apostasy of our time, that is the going away from Christ by so many in the church and the violence and death which are its fruit.
00:03:13.440So that was a stunning remark because he speaks here about a public, a practical apostasy.
00:03:22.000And as we know from the published secret, the supposed third secret of 2000, apostasy, the word does not appear in the text.
00:03:32.780So he actually adds something that is not in the three secrets of Fatima, as they were given to the three shepherd children in 1917.
00:03:43.600Our Lady talks about repentance, about the sins of men, about upcoming wars, you know, if we don't mend our lives.
00:03:51.360But she doesn't use the word apostasy.
00:03:53.860And of course, we see it in front of our eyes.
00:03:56.660But why is Cardinal Burke speaking about apostasy?
00:03:58.980And that relies back to other issues, you know, Cardinals who have talked about that, and we come to that later.
00:04:05.900But the second thing was also that there's a secular study coming out that now speaks about the result of the Second Vatican Council and for the faith of the Catholics worldwide.
00:04:19.200And I quote here a short sentence that Lifesight has published, too.
00:04:24.840And it said the study that Vatican II in 1962 to 1965 triggered a decline in worldwide Catholic attendance relative to that in other denominations.
00:04:37.000So this study essentially showed, again, that there was a wide apostasy taking place in the wake of the Second Vatican Council.
00:04:47.440And the Council has been mentioned in the past, as we say in a moment, with regard to Fatima, but it's not in the published version.
00:04:55.180So then third, what also happened is that in an email, a Twitter on X, an exchange that I had, some account, some user sent me a link or mentioned that Father Ritberger has spoken about the Third Secret last year.
00:05:14.220And I had not seen that Father Ritberger had been given an interview to Franciscan Friars, Immaculata Radio.
00:05:23.280And in that interview, and I sum up a little bit, he talked at length, he was explicitly asked, you know, what do we know about the Third Secret of Fatima?
00:05:34.740But then he goes on to mention other prelates that have talked, that he found on the Internet some time back, who speak about the danger of altering the liturgy.
00:05:46.000And they talked about a council that could cause great scandal.
00:05:51.860These are people who have read or have heard from those who have read the secret, talking about a problematic council and the apostasy from the faith and something also to do with a changed liturgy.
00:06:07.280That's very interesting because the secret was to be revealed in 1960.
00:06:20.540And if it did say something about a council and the changing of the mass, that was already sort of not so much in the works, perhaps, but in the planning stages at that time.
00:06:34.280So it's pretty clear why they wouldn't have wanted to release it.
00:06:39.000And that's exactly Father Ripperger's argument that he says, well, 1960 would have been exactly that time frame of the council and the new mass that was introduced in the wake of the council still in the 60s.
00:06:52.720And that he, while not being able to name names or getting too specific, but for me, what my eyes or ears were pricked is by the fact that he said he himself heard it around the circle of the secretaries of Cardinal Ratzinger, even though he can't reveal exactly what he heard.
00:07:14.640But then he speaks about the council and the liturgy, and he gives credence that there should be something still.
00:07:22.640And then he mentions Cardinal Chiapie, and I will mention him in just a second.
00:07:28.140But the fact is, and that's where we go back to Dr. Darlinger, Ingo Darlinger, the story that I published in 2016.
00:07:34.240Before we get there, I think it's so important that Father Ripperger is mentioning that.
00:07:39.960I would like to actually play the clip for you all, just so that you see for yourself.
00:07:44.120Because Father Ripperger is now, he's sort of, if you will, taken on the mantle of Father Gabriel Amorth, the Rome's exorcist who is world famous.
00:07:55.680Father Ripperger has really taken on that role.
00:08:00.460But nevertheless, our Lord has sort of bestowed that upon him as a central figure in terms of fighting the devil, if you will, in the world today.
00:08:10.160Without being asked for that position, that's where he is.
00:08:15.160When I read the third secret that they did, or that secret that they did give us, or the content that they did give us, I thought to myself, well, wait a minute.
00:08:22.440You held onto this thing for 40 years.
00:08:26.280And there's practically nothing in it.
00:08:28.320Whereas in the past, the recognition was, this thing was pretty serious.
00:08:32.100And they didn't want it out because they were concerned about the scandals of the faithful, et cetera.
00:08:35.140I mean, I'm not at liberty to talk about it, but when I was in Rome, Cardinal Ratzinger had read The Third Secret, and he was talking about the contents of it to some of his secretaries.
00:08:49.720And so via that channel, I did hear some of the content.
00:08:54.520There's other low-level prelates who actually have been talking about this.
00:09:01.400And so I can reveal these two things, at least, because they're out in the public sector.
00:09:05.380If you dig enough hard on the Internet, you may not be able to use Google because Google does all sorts of weird things with their results that they give to you.
00:09:26.660But he said that one of the contents of The Third Secret of Fatima is that Our Lady warned about adding extraneous elements to the liturgy.
00:09:38.040And so that was one thing, which is kind of interesting because, you know, supposedly that Our Lady wanted it released in 1960, which would have been averted a lot of the stuff that we would have seen, I think.
00:09:50.360But then the other part of it was, and this is, again, something which this guy said, so I'm just, don't kill the messenger, I tell people.
00:09:58.000I'm just telling what this guy said, that actually that she warned against Vatican II, but I'm not convinced that's, I mean, I can't imagine Our Lady saying, hey, Vatican II, don't have it.
00:10:07.360I don't think she would have said it quite that way.
00:10:09.600But I think that there were certain things that she said about the upcoming things that were going to happen in the church.
00:10:16.420And as a result of that, that's why she was warning about this, these are the things that are going to happen, whether it was the apostasy from the top, you know, this is the stuff.
00:10:27.000And so when John XXIII said, well, these things, the alleged thing is that he said, well, these things don't apply to our time.
00:10:35.520So I think ultimately, as I mentioned, I can't talk about these things specifically, but I do think that eventually we will reveal it.
00:10:46.440And my basic attitude is, you know, it's better just to be transparent and let this stuff out.
00:10:52.740If it did make reference to what we're seeing now, then let's just own up to it and have our reckoning and just deal with it and so that we can move on.
00:11:01.000That's stunning that he would say these things.
00:11:03.920So this is not some, you know, far-fetched idea believed by very few.
00:11:12.020No, it's actually very much in the mainstream among the Orthodox, among those who actually believe the faith, to question what's happening here, to wonder at this.
00:11:25.160In fact, every Fatima scholar I've ever, ever read talks about this difficulty with, you know, they all said, and these are the ones prior to the release of the secret, was it all, it starts with, you know, in Portugal, the faith will always be retained.
00:11:44.660And so that comes nowhere in our secret.
00:11:48.580Anyway, before we went to the clip, you were talking about Father Ingo Dallinger.
00:11:51.640How does Father Dallinger figure into this story?
00:11:54.500So Father Dallinger had given originally an interview to Father Kramer, who had published it with the Fatima Center.
00:12:03.000And in 2016, I only kind of called Dr. Dallinger in Germany at the time.
00:12:09.440He was already very sick, but he was able to respond to my questions and was willing to.
00:12:14.160And I had called him to just ask more or less confirm the story that had already been published in 2009, namely that Cardinal Ratzinger had talked to him before the publication of the official version of the third secret in 2000.
00:12:30.940And had told him, yeah, it's about, and this is kind of the summary.
00:12:35.500I wouldn't say that this is exactly the wording of the secret, but it's about a bad mess and about a bad council warnings against.
00:12:46.520And so we went ahead, published it at the time with Steve Skojak at 1 Peter 5.
00:12:51.340And I think the next day, the latest, Pope Benedict, for the first time, came out of retirement to deny the story and saying that he has never spoken with Dr. Dallinger about Fatima.
00:13:05.680Dr. Dallinger, however, was a close collaborator with Cardinal Ratzinger for many years.
00:13:11.420There are many photos that I've seen myself of them together, and also I've talked with the secretary of Dr. Dallinger at length.
00:13:20.240I published multiple reports on his work, for example, his heavy involvement in the 1983 CDF declaration that it is still banned to become a Freemason
00:13:32.760because the new code of canon law under Pope John Paul II had mentioned, had dropped the explicit mentioning of Freemasonry.
00:13:40.420And so Dr. Dallinger, who had worked for the German bishops in this issue, he had been tasked to find out whether Catholics and Freemasons could work together for the German bishops' conference.
00:13:52.980So he had been an expert in this field.
00:13:55.500And so he started a commission under Cardinal Ratzinger.
00:13:59.560And it's a very exciting story of how they won the last votes in favor of a ban, a renewal of the ban, explicit, in the last minute before the final vote of the commission.
00:14:12.540So there is evidence that they worked closely together.
00:14:16.020And, but of course, you know, Cardinal Ratzinger, how Benedict denied the story, I called Dr. Dallinger back, he restated, he said, no, I stick to my story.
00:14:26.960I talked with the secretary, she said, she remembers.
00:14:30.140So what happened is, that's the other part.
00:14:32.460So after Ratzinger at some point reportedly told Ratzinger about the content of the third secret, in 2000, the third secret was published and Dallinger said, that's not what Ratzinger told me.
00:14:45.720So at that time, in June of 2000, he went to St. Peter's to the secretary, as I recall, right, they might have celebrated Mass, Cardinal Ratzinger and Dr. Dallinger, or he was at St. Peter's.
00:15:00.020He approached Ratzinger in the secretary after Mass and said, your eminence, this is not what you told me, you know, this is not the secret.
00:15:08.160But he, Cardinal Ratzinger, kind of tried to escape just muttering or saying, you know, we haven't, this is not all, there's something else, you know, just an indication, a slight indication of admitting that's not all.
00:15:21.000But, so that was denied by Pope Benedict.
00:15:25.580But the secretary told me over the phone that she remembers at the time in 2000, that Dr. Dallinger called her into Germany and said, listen, this is what just happened.
00:15:55.040You know, I don't want to judge anyone's interior life here.
00:15:59.100But the thing is that I was stunned when Father Ritberger mentioned the circle around Ratzinger and what he heard from a totally different background than Dr. Dallinger.
00:16:13.160They have no connections, Father Ritberger and Dr. Dallinger.
00:16:16.760And Ritberger himself, after hearing from the circle of Ratzinger, most probably in the 90s, before 2000, you know, around, or he would have looked at it earlier before 2000, that it confirms, in a sense, Dr. Dallinger's story, because Ritberger gives credence to the claims that there's something about the council and something about altering the liturgy.
00:16:41.940And if he hadn't heard from the circle of Ratzinger, he might not have believed some of the other stories he later heard online.
00:16:50.480There was another part of the Dallinger story that I recall.
00:16:55.380Tell us about that, about the smoke coming up.
00:17:00.060It's good that you bring this up because it actually shows that Dr. Dallinger spoke truth in another area in the interview with Father Kramer from 2009 with the Fatima Center, the Fatima Crusader.
00:17:12.520Father Kramer sums up what he talked with Dr. Dallinger.
00:17:15.520It's not a Dr. Dallinger interview, but he sums up what he learned from Dr. Dallinger.
00:17:20.820And that was that Dr. Dallinger, who helped found a seminary in Brazil for the Opus Angelorum.
00:17:28.140So Bishop Athanasius Schneider actually was a student of Dr. Dallinger's and revered him very much.
00:17:48.000That's stunning all by itself because in today's day and age, Bishop Athanasius Schneider is such a huge figure.
00:17:55.580So to know that he was a student of Dr. Dallinger's and celebrated his requiem mass and was with him at his deathbed, that's incredible.
00:18:04.760So anyway, it gives a lot of credence to Dr. Dallinger.
00:18:07.340They were at this seminary in one of the rooms talking, some seminarians and Dr. Dallinger.
00:18:15.300And they had a conversation about the Second Vatican Council and how Cardinal Tisseron must have been really having a really bad role in the machinations of the council.
00:18:27.400They had led the council discussions away from what had originally been prepared, which was all Catholic Orthodox, into novelties and changes.
00:18:36.620And so, as I recall, there was a word, you know, he had a diabolical role or something satanic.
00:18:42.740And at that moment, smoke came out of the floor.
00:18:46.780It was a marble floor and there was smoke, a plume of smoke coming up.
00:18:50.640And everybody was just so stunned that they actually wrote up the report.
00:18:56.440And but at that time with Father Kramer, that's all he said.
00:18:59.960Yeah, we talked about Father Cardinal Tisseron and smoke came up.
00:19:04.480Well, many, many years later, I was approached and I was given this document from the archives of Dr. Dallinger and LifeSite.
00:19:54.680So what I would like to to just tie this or make it even stronger, this whole, let's say, suspicion that there's still some something missing in the third secret is something that Father Ripperger in his interview mentions.
00:20:10.840We have Cardinal Schiappi and Cardinal Odi, two cardinals who both made very important comments much earlier before the publication in 2000 of the third secret.
00:20:19.900Let me first go to Cardinal Odi, and he gave an interview in 1990.
00:20:26.300And in that interview, he was one time a close collaborator of John XXIII when he wasn't yet Pope.
00:20:32.880And there are conflicting comments, whether he's seen the third secret or not, I can't say.
00:20:39.820But he is known, it's actually public knowledge, it was written by an English newspaper upon his death that he said in public, he urged John XXIII to publish the third secret.
00:20:53.620And he was very dismayed that he didn't do it at his time.
00:20:57.540And he said in this 1990 interview, that he believed that the third secret had to do with the Second Vatican Council.
00:21:06.020And he said, quote, what happened in 1960?
00:21:09.360So he refers again, why did it need to be published in 1960, the third secret?
00:21:14.960And he says, the Cardinal, what happened in 1960 that might have been seen in connection with the secret of Fatima?
00:21:20.520However, the most important event is without a doubt, the launching of the preparatory phase of the Second Vatican Council.
00:21:28.040Therefore, he says, I would not be surprised if the secret had something to do with the convocation of Vatican II.
00:21:36.280And then he later said in the same interview,
00:21:39.400I would not be surprised if the third secret alluded to dark times for the church, grave confusions and troubling apostasy within Catholicism itself.
00:21:53.880If we consider the grave crisis we have lived through since the council, the signs that this prophecy has been fulfilled do not seem to be lacking.
00:22:14.160He thinks it has to do with the council, and he thinks it has to do with the loss of faith, with apostasy.
00:22:20.460So in his case, we don't know that he's seen the secret.
00:22:23.340He might have talked with people in the surrounding of the pope.
00:22:26.720But then we have Cardinal Chiapi, who has read the Third Secret.
00:22:32.940And he has written a letter, a private letter, to Dr. Baumgartner in Germany.
00:22:40.080And he spoke about the great apostasy in the church that would begin at the top.
00:22:45.940So now we have also Dr. Alice from Hildebrand, whose husband, Dietrich von Hildebrand, and she were having a lot of connections to Rome, of course, as being Catholic philosophers.
00:23:00.320And she recounted in a story I was involved in getting that published at the time at 1 Peter 5, with the help of Father Brian Harrison, who was friends with her before her death.
00:23:12.940And in that text that she submitted to 1 Peter 5, she recounts a story that she and her husband sat together with a monsignor from Los Avatorios Romano, the Vatican newspaper.
00:23:25.520And that monsignor told them that the third secret spoke about apostasy at the top of the church, that the third secret is about an apostasy at the top.
00:23:37.060So if we spell that out, it would mean that the leaders of the church make changes in a council and in the liturgy that leads to a loss of faith.
00:23:49.300And of course, how would we think that Our Lady would appear and warn us against that great evil of communism?
00:23:57.140And she announces world wars to end and the world war to start, and she would not warn us against liturgical and doctrinal changes that will lead to the enormous loss of faith.
00:24:18.800Yeah, in that perspective, from a heavenly perspective, when even nuclear war is not as deadly as the alteration and the damage to the faiths, it makes no sense that she would come and warn about world war and not warn about the greatest revolution the church has ever seen.
00:24:42.220That devastation from the aftermath of what it went from, you know, the 50s, where faith seemed to be at a heyday, to today, where the faith is all but destroyed.
00:24:57.820Because even among those who call themselves Catholic, how many actually believe?
00:25:01.700And the numbers are staggeringly low in their faith in the Eucharist and in just the elements of the faith that are just what every child once upon a time knew.
00:25:13.680So that destruction being so severe that heaven just sort of skipped that part doesn't make any sense at all.
00:25:24.040It goes along with her warnings, the other ones, but it doesn't make sense to skip them.
00:25:28.840But what in this context is really important is also what we know about Pope Pius XII, because he more or less gives us perhaps the most specific content of the third secret.
00:26:04.440And so Cardinal Pacelli, when he wasn't yet Pope Pius XII, spoke to a friend of his, Count Enrico Pietro Galeazzi.
00:26:14.100And this was in 1933, and it was much later published.
00:26:20.200It was kind of a quote from it had leaked earlier, but then it was only, again, 1 Peter 5, God bless Steve Skolczyk for his work, published.
00:26:29.420When a book came out with a longer quote of what Pope Pius XII or Pacelli told his friend, that longer quote was published only eight years ago or so.
00:27:08.140Quote, I'm concerned about the confidences of the Virgin to the little Lucia of Fatima.
00:27:15.500This persistence of the good lady in face of the danger that threatens the church is a divine warning against the suicide that the alteration of the faith in its liturgy, its theology, and its soul would represent.
00:27:56.260I hear around me innovators who wish to dismantle the sacred chapel, destroy the universal flame of the church, reject her ornaments, and make her remorseful of her historical past.
00:28:09.620Well, my dear friend, I'm convinced that the church of Peter must affirm her past or else she will dig her own grave.
00:28:21.580And that's what we have from what you actually, you know, what Father Mer, Charles Mer told you, who knew Mother Pasqualina Lennart so well, the secretary and housekeeper of Popeyes XII.
00:28:34.020She, we could play the clip, you know, if you like, but she, she told Charles Mer, Father Mer one time, how when Popeyes XII in 1954 had the vision of the miracle of the son of Fatima in the Vatican gardens.
00:28:54.720And he later talked to Sister Mother Pasqualina about this, and she asked him, so is there any message that came to you with this, you know, and he only said one word, apostasy.
00:29:11.340And she is very convincing in how she describes it because she wasn't fully sure what apostasy means.
00:29:16.480She described to Father Mer how she went to the dictionary to make sure that she understood the word.
00:29:20.680But so, I mean, it, it always, again, and it goes to, goes to apostasy and we have to ask, well, where's that in the third secret?
00:29:28.440Where's our lady warning us against this apostasy?