The John-Henry Westen Show - FBI Whistleblower Kyle Seraphin Explains Woke Agenda to Surveil Latin Mass Catholics

00:00:00.340 Investigations is the purpose of the FBI. We don't write term papers. We go talk to people, we do

00:00:04.460 investigations, and if we find crimes, then we arrest them. We take them in jail, we prosecute

00:00:07.980 them with the DOJ. That's the purpose of the entity. So to argue otherwise is either ignorant

00:00:12.900 or it's being disingenuous. And I don't care which one it is because both are wrong. 0.92

00:00:18.080 Hey, my friends, we have with us someone very special today. We have Carl Serafin.

00:00:23.020 He is the former FBI agent who has become the FBI whistleblower, who revealed now a few weeks ago

00:00:29.100 this memo, internal memo of the FBI targeting traditional Catholics, traditional Latin mass

00:00:35.560 Catholics, whom they suggested we should infiltrate and so on and so forth. We're going to be talking

00:00:41.060 to Kyle about that, yes, but also what's been going on since then. What has he seen? How has

00:00:46.720 this been done? We've heard it's been retracted following the release of the news that this

00:00:52.420 memo was out there. It was apparently retracted. But it was, of course, criticized by

00:00:58.760 20 attorneys general right away. And while they retracted it, we're going to find out from Kyle

00:01:03.920 that not really more on that later. But I wanted to give you some background first, because this

00:01:11.100 has been an ongoing weaponization of Biden's federal government against Catholics, but not

00:01:19.280 only Catholics, pro-lifers in general, but Catholics very specifically. LifeSite news readers may

00:01:25.020 remember. In 2018, while there was things going on from the Hillary Clinton leaked emails and all of

00:01:30.580 that, you had already then some FBI agents. Do you remember Peter Strzok? He was an FBI agent at the

00:01:37.300 time. He was very anti-Trump. He had a wife and he had a mistress, actually, inside the FBI. And we

00:01:43.180 learned this from the leaked emails. His mistress was FBI attorney Lisa Page. They were talking back and

00:01:50.980 forth in 2016. And we have the emails, so we know that. And they were totally trashing pro-life

00:01:58.100 Americans. And they were doing so in their private text messages. But you got an inside glimpse back

00:02:03.980 then into the reality of the FBI hatred. And I do mean hatred for pro-lifers. And that's why you can

00:02:11.620 see this animosity towards traditional Catholics. And it's mentioned right in the memo that it's about

00:02:17.980 their anti-abortion beliefs. Well, listen to these text messages between the two so-called lovers or

00:02:25.460 whatever that were released, you know, along with the thousands of others by the Senate Committee on

00:02:31.320 Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs, the Chief Oversight Committee of Congress. And that was part of

00:02:38.080 that investigation, as I mentioned, into Hillary Clinton's misuse of government email and the FBI

00:02:42.760 looking into it. FBI agent Strzok said, effing marchers making traffic problems. He's referring,

00:02:48.780 of course, to the March for Life and those marching in the March for Life. And so he says,

00:02:54.040 effing marchers making traffic problems. And then FBI attorney Page responds, yeah, some extremely

00:03:01.240 offensive video screen set up in front of district. I truly hate these people. No support for the woman 1.00

00:03:09.020 who actually has to spend the rest of her life rearing this child. But we care about life,

00:03:14.600 assholes. And I'm sorry for the language, but those are the words contained right in their texting back 0.99

00:03:19.740 and forth. FBI agent Strzok then responds, hey, I have an idea. Snow emergency. Cancel the permit.

00:03:27.280 So you can see right away the actual hatred for pro-lifers and now the hatred for traditional Catholics

00:03:35.860 right in the inside of the FBI. And we get these glimpses of their internal documents.

00:03:43.420 Therefore, it's no surprise that the FBI showed up like with a huge SWAT team at Mark Houck's home.

00:03:51.560 And his seven kids were so traumatized along with his wife. And it wasn't only Mark Houck. We were there

00:03:58.540 with Mark Houck in his home and showed you that. But there was also Paul Vaughn, another father of 11

00:04:05.480 kids who the FBI too came to his place and traumatized his kids. Take a look at Paul Vaughn's

00:04:14.700 appearance on Tucker. But you're not allowed to unleash the FBI on an entire religion, are you?

00:04:24.940 Absolutely not. And don't think because they've been trained that makes it okay. When my kids go out

00:04:32.400 to the car to go to school and the FBI pulls up, armed, running to the door, and one of them goes to

00:04:39.320 the kids and holds the kids with a long gun inside of my driveway and does not let them go into the

00:04:46.000 house, that is absolutely, as my wife said in the video, unacceptable. And there needs to be accountability.

00:04:52.620 Well, it's one of the most shocking things I think I've ever seen. I have to ask you. So the FBI,

00:04:58.400 the Department of Justice, I can barely say that phrase with a straight face,

00:05:01.840 is claiming that you're a violent extremist who is a physical threat to others. Do you embrace

00:05:07.620 violence? Have you ever committed violence? What are they talking about?

00:05:10.500 No, I have no idea. There's absolutely no evidence of that. The only place that is ever even seen is in

00:05:20.200 the documents that they made up and used to justify in their mind and through the justice system,

00:05:27.440 the ones that signed off on this needed some kind of justification in their own minds

00:05:31.000 to go after peaceful people that disagreed with them politically.

00:05:35.240 When we now learn about this FBI memo from the guy who exposed it himself, from Kyle Serven,

00:05:44.020 who will be with us just right now, keep in mind the background. The background of those internal

00:05:51.300 to the FBI where there is literally a disease, a disease of hating Americans or pro-life Americans

00:05:58.240 who are traditional Catholics. This is the John Henry Weston Show. Stay tuned.

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00:07:32.840 News. Kyle Serafin, welcome to the program. Thanks so much, John. I'm happy to be here. Let's begin

00:07:39.400 as we always do at the sign of the cross. In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy

00:07:44.200 Ghost. Amen. Amen. Kyle, you have really blown up the internet. I was actually in Africa when this broke,

00:07:52.140 and all I could see was, oh my gosh, the FBI is coming after traditional Latin mass Catholics.

00:07:59.280 What? Come on. So, you know, we're looking at what's going on, and it's really funny because

00:08:06.300 internally at LifeSite, the chat about what's going on with the FBI now is labeled the Kyle

00:08:13.300 Serafin chat. And so our reporters are going back and forth learning what's going on. I'm in Africa

00:08:19.360 reading this. I saw your original podcast on it, and just stunning. Before we even get there,

00:08:26.900 the latest news is that this stuff, despite being officially withdrawn, is actually still being

00:08:34.400 battered about in the office. As of Wednesday evening, that's last week, Wednesday, you have

00:08:40.100 this still going on, in fact, trending. Tell us about that. Well, the FBI says one thing,

00:08:45.780 and they do whatever it is that they do. So this is not the first time that we've seen this in a

00:08:50.840 whistleblower scenario where, you know, we'll come out with a revelation, and I've got a small group

00:08:55.440 of people that report with me, and we go to Congress, and I've been taking it to the American public and

00:09:00.100 the news media in general, because I think this is everybody's information at this point. But what

00:09:03.980 they'll do is they'll go, you know, what you've said is categorically false, and then we'll produce the

00:09:09.000 receipts like the documents that you saw, and then they'll go, we take this very seriously. And that's

00:09:13.060 sort of the move that happens. It's just, it's, it's a silliness that happens when you're inside of an

00:09:16.720 intelligence agency that they think that they're unaccountable, and they don't think that we have

00:09:19.520 eyes. What they don't realize is that I have people looking at everything, and they're equally appalled.

00:09:23.440 That's why they came to me with it. So I had an intelligence analyst in one of the field offices, and I've

00:09:28.260 got visibility into a bunch of different field offices at this point, because they are

00:09:31.400 frustrated. And I just got a little, it said like, hey, Kyle, heads up. Not only has this document not been

00:09:36.920 rescinded, it's actually trending on the Intel portal, they've got like a little widget that says the

00:09:40.680 top three Intel products that are being looked at. Now, my guess is, and because I know people in the

00:09:44.620 FBI, there are good people there. That's, that's, that is absolutely the case. So what I believe is,

00:09:49.860 is that people are going, I cannot believe this is real. And then they find it, and they're all

00:09:52.980 looking for it. And enough people are looking for it. Now they don't have to go looking, because it's

00:09:55.980 actually in the, in the widget that says it's the number two of the, of the top three that are

00:09:59.540 trending in the bureau. So they're looking at it, I assume with disgust, but I can't rule out that

00:10:04.040 there are some people that are going like, well, this is, you know, what we should be doing. So, you know,

00:10:07.920 there's a little bit of both. That's, that's the culture of the FBI. It's not monolithic. There's

00:10:11.180 a lot of Catholics in there that are, that are disgusted. Some that have reached out to me and 0.98

00:10:14.500 called me and said, tell me who wrote that document so I can call them personally. And I

00:10:18.380 said, well, I can't do that. One, I don't, I was redacted before it got to me on purpose. And, and

00:10:23.400 two, I don't think I would reveal that because I just, that's just not what we need to be doing,

00:10:26.360 but we need to do is shame the institution as a, as a whole for what it has allowed to happen under its

00:10:31.420 watch. And then, you know, the fact that there are individuals that are participating in that,

00:10:35.840 that's to be expected. It's the job of the leadership and the management to fix the culture,

00:10:39.640 which is very woke on the, at least on the Intel cadre. And as I mentioned, I think yesterday on

00:10:44.660 Twitter, it tells you how out of touch the FBI's Intel cadre is with real people in America. And

00:10:50.200 that's the difference between being a frontline agent who goes out and shakes hands with people

00:10:53.680 and leaves a business card. And I put my face and my name to what I'm doing versus somebody who sits

00:10:59.020 in an office all day and writes essentially term papers about how Catholics are maybe white

00:11:03.140 supremacists and that they're antisemitic, which is bizarre. Now that we've got the latest news out,

00:11:08.780 there's more I want to talk to you about, but before we do that, I want to back up for a second.

00:11:13.240 Who are you? Who is Kyle Serafin? You're obviously a very knowledgeable Catholic,

00:11:18.680 but where do you come from and what's your background? So I grew up in California for a

00:11:22.620 couple of years and then I moved to Texas and my family bounced back and forth between Texas and

00:11:26.260 California. And I grew up in a family where my dad was in charge of radio stations. He was the news

00:11:30.480 director of the flagship station of KCBS, that's CBS radio on the, on the West coast when I was born.

00:11:36.720 And incidentally, and kind of like some, one of those loops where you close it back up now that

00:11:39.980 I'm actually doing things and sitting in front of a microphone, it's pretty bizarre, but actually my

00:11:43.480 first job out of college, I worked for like this ergonomic furniture company and I went to go sell

00:11:48.180 furniture to my dad's old radio station. And they hired me on from my original job to sell airtime.

00:11:54.180 So I actually worked at the same station at, you know, 23 years old that my dad was running when I was a

00:11:59.240 kid. So that's how it was. I grew up in the Catholic church. My dad is a one of five children.

00:12:04.040 My mother is one of eight kind of a Catholic background. I'm one of six. I'm the oldest of

00:12:08.460 my dad's brood. My dad actually got one of those rare annulments that happened in, in the late seventies,

00:12:13.320 which was not common at the time. And, and so I have an older half brother and, and then I've got,

00:12:19.480 you know, five total siblings grew up in parochial schools. I went to Cistercian schools in fifth and

00:12:24.580 sixth grade where I actually learned Latin. Unlike many Catholics these days, don't pick that up. 1.00

00:12:28.880 And then in seventh and eighth, I went back to parochial schools. And then by the time I was in

00:12:32.560 high school, I went to a Jesuit high school for four years, which was a relatively conservative

00:12:35.900 Jesuit high school at the time. I'm sure it is not today. That's kind of the nature of how Jesuits 1.00

00:12:40.100 run. But I learned Latin for another four years there, you know, participated in national Latin

00:12:45.620 club and things like that. So I'm, I am familiar with a very traditional Catholic background.

00:12:50.200 The, the Cistercian school that I went to, they used to actually, you know, do Gregorian chant from

00:12:54.580 the, from the sideways, but the risers on either side of the altar. And it was a very austere service

00:12:58.640 of just stone and a wooden roof and nothing else. And very simple wooden pews. And I, and I always

00:13:04.560 found that to be very comforting, despite the fact that there are no creature comforts in it. I like

00:13:10.280 that version of the mass. And then professionally, you know, I was in corporate sales for a little

00:13:14.640 while. I worked for a financial and analytical position at a movie studio. I worked for Warner

00:13:19.540 Brothers in Hollywood, which was interesting. I joined the military when I was 27, because I felt

00:13:23.540 kind of without a rudder and I felt like I needed some guidance. So I took a big pay cut and went in

00:13:28.200 and listed as a 27 year old guy with a college degree. I did that for a couple of years, got out,

00:13:32.500 I worked as a paramedic. So my, my human experience is very broad. I think compared to a lot of people,

00:13:37.800 a lot of people in the FBI, for sure. You know, I've put my hands on people who have died. You know,

00:13:42.080 I've seen people that were trying to die and we stopped it. And I've, I've gone out there and made

00:13:46.800 big sales. I sold $20 million for the computers when I worked for, for Dell Incorporated. And then

00:13:51.380 all those things led me in 2016 to attending the FBI Academy at Quantico. And so I went there as a

00:13:57.000 35 year old married, no children at the time, but we had a child slightly thereafter. And so that was

00:14:03.600 kind of a much later join up. And I think that's why I saw some of the issues that I saw, because,

00:14:08.860 you know, when you're a grownup, you can throw the BS flag on things that you've seen, because you have

00:14:12.760 the life experience and the confidence that look, you know, I've, I've been without a paycheck. I've

00:14:16.700 been without a home. I've slept in a car for a week. You know, I've, I've done, I've had negative

00:14:20.700 $500 in my bank account for a month and had nowhere to do. And I didn't know how to eat and I was going

00:14:24.020 to feed myself. So when you've done things like that, the idea of facing down the FBI is a lot

00:14:28.020 less scary. And then I went to the, you know, survival school and stuff like that when I was in the

00:14:31.260 Air Force. So I was well conditioned for this. My wife said, you know, you didn't go to the,

00:14:35.080 the, uh, the war that we had in Afghanistan and Iraq. You didn't deploy for those things,

00:14:37.960 which I didn't, but you were well suited for this type of war, which is very different.

00:14:41.520 It's on the American soil and it's an information war and it's, um, it's less physical and it's more

00:14:45.860 mental. Um, and a lot of the mental pressure that comes down is, you know, if you, unless you're a

00:14:50.880 complete psychopath, you have to always ask yourself. And I ask myself all the time, did I

00:14:55.620 get this wrong? You know, did I miss the boat on this? Am I the guy who's failing and over and over

00:15:01.620 again? And I think this is God's plan is I'm constantly given this, this reassurance. It's like,

00:15:05.860 I'll, I'll ask myself that question in the morning and I'll have doubts and I'll wake up and

00:15:08.960 somebody will call me and say, Hey, I'd like to report some sexual misconduct in our office

00:15:12.300 about this person. And you go, okay, it's there's so much of it. There's so many things on so many

00:15:17.480 levels that I'm being reassured with, um, that I do feel like this is, you know, a spiritual path

00:15:21.700 as well as, uh, as a corruption, you know, anti anti-corruption government, uh, cleanup path.

00:15:27.320 What is your podcast? Where can people find you?

00:15:29.180 It's called the Kyle Serafin show uninventably named, but, uh, easy to discover. Uh, if you search

00:15:34.140 my name on any of the podcast apps, whether it be Spotify or Apple or, um, Amazon music or all those

00:15:38.960 kinds of things, it pops up. And then we're on rumble, which is just rumble.com slash Kyle

00:15:42.760 Serafin. I have yet to put anything on YouTube. I feel like I'll be censored there, but I'm about

00:15:46.920 to, I think I'm going to just give it a shot. We'll see what God says and, and see if the people

00:15:50.020 there have their, have their hearts turned and we don't say anything that I can't back up. So that's

00:15:54.160 one of the big things. Like I said, I like to expose people to the truth of there are good people in

00:15:58.300 the FBI and the ones that will speak to me are wonderful people. And they are also doing so at, you know,

00:16:02.060 a personal risk for their own finances and their own careers. So they can find us there and if they

00:16:07.400 like it and they can subscribe and get more of it, we're trying to make more and more. I've upgraded

00:16:11.160 my microphone in the last week. Cause I just feel like this is, you know, rather than a physical

00:16:14.700 weapon when I was in the military or carrying a handgun, when I was in the FBI, this is the weapon

00:16:18.940 right now. It's the weapon of word and, uh, and hopefully of truth. Let's unpack it for all those who

00:16:23.940 might've been living under a rock for the past couple of weeks. What did you discover and what's in it?

00:16:30.560 What I had was an FBI employee come to me, and this is someone who has a enough seniority.

00:16:35.740 Well, let's be vague about it, but 15 plus years, it's more than that, um, in the FBI and a, and a

00:16:42.180 reputable source of information. Somebody that I've known for a little while, um, not a Catholic,

00:16:46.960 but was alerting me to this intelligence product. And the way that people can think of an intelligence

00:16:52.600 product, it's like I said, it's like a term paper, but it does help guide intelligence investigations.

00:16:56.940 It helps, um, describe what, what the FBI would call the threat landscape or the threat picture,

00:17:02.480 both in the country and then in the area specifically that it was at, this was out of

00:17:06.040 the Richmond field office. And this document was written by an intelligence analyst that

00:17:10.620 is, uh, you know, college degree minimum, sometimes masters. Um, in this case, I think it was a

00:17:15.760 little bit younger individual who sits at a desk and looks at intelligence reports, what

00:17:20.140 they call raw intelligence. This is, um, you know, sources saying certain things that news

00:17:24.260 articles and so on, and then does an analysis. And this is what's called a finished piece,

00:17:27.960 which is means it comes with analysis and the analysis of this piece, which is a, which

00:17:32.440 known as a domain awareness product, which is to say all the Richmond area stated that

00:17:37.280 there are mitigation opportunities in the form of public, and then also confidential human

00:17:43.120 source recruitment in the Catholic church, specifically in what they refer to as the radical

00:17:47.920 traditionalist Catholic. Um, and they make a distinction there between radical traditionalist

00:17:51.760 Catholics and traditional Catholics who are Latin mass goers, TLM fans, you know, the pre 0.95

00:17:57.400 Vatican to a mentality. And I don't know that there is such a distinction because I've been

00:18:02.480 in the Catholic church for 41 years and I've, I've come and gone from the, from attending

00:18:06.420 mass when I was younger, I got frustrated and I was actually frustrated in 2020 as you and

00:18:10.040 I talked about with some of the responses to COVID, but it's, uh, you know, my wife was

00:18:14.040 baptized after 40 years of being an atheist, um, last year at Easter. And that is a really

00:18:19.680 powerful experience for someone as a husband and as a father, uh, to see the mother of

00:18:23.120 your children come and say, this is the church I'm going to be part of. And, you know, now

00:18:26.160 she doesn't know if she should watch shows that have vampires on him. She's thinks it's

00:18:29.020 might be sacrilegious. So she's gone so far, um, you know, her, her personal journey has

00:18:33.140 really inspired me. And so I'm looking at this and I go like, you know, I, I liked the

00:18:37.000 Latin mass. I think it's wonderful. I think it's beautiful. And I was a, uh, an ultra

00:18:39.820 server. I ran an ultra server of society. Um, when I was in high, when I was in middle

00:18:44.160 school. Uh, and you know, we used all of the, uh, the, the forms of the high mass

00:18:47.800 because I had so many ultra servers that we had to fill all the positions. So it was

00:18:50.220 amazing. And, and you look at this and that's what the FBI is looking at for, to find white 0.63

00:18:55.020 supremacists. This is where they think there's common cause. And the danger in that document

00:18:59.100 is it's an attempt. I think it's a pry bar to open up a door, not just to Catholics in 0.99

00:19:03.580 general, which is 70 million of us in the United States alone. Um, but to Christians as 1.00

00:19:08.360 a whole, because the, the, the statement that the, the writer makes is that there is quote

00:19:14.380 unquote common cause between these, what they call, um, racially motivated violent

00:19:20.160 extremists, which we'll know as white supremacists, um, and radical traditional Catholics because

00:19:25.580 of their stances on get ready for it, abortion, LGBTQ issues, um, legal immigration, and then

00:19:34.120 randomly thrown in there as antisemitism, which I've never experienced antisemitism in the Catholic

00:19:38.140 church. Maybe it exists, but I haven't seen it. I just don't know. Like the people that

00:19:41.360 are the most devout Catholics tend to be very loving and open and warm people. And I don't 1.00

00:19:45.920 think that they have any beef with the Jewish people in this country. Uh, but so that's a 0.98

00:19:50.500 strange thought, but drawing that circle around those particular rights is a pry bar I believe

00:19:55.140 to get access to. And here's the thing, hopefully we nipped it in the bud. It mentions in the

00:19:59.000 document very proudly, I might add that it's the first of its kind in the FBI. There's a reason

00:20:03.880 for that. And because it's, it's off limits, that's an off limits realm. The, the American

00:20:08.680 constitution and the bill of rights specifically, the first amendment tells us that the government

00:20:13.040 does not have a say. It remains agnostic about religion and it doesn't get to get into like

00:20:17.740 theological discussions on whether a radical traditional or a traditional Catholic exists

00:20:21.920 and what that line is and whether or not that's a white supremacist line, which by the

00:20:25.600 way, you're actually allowed to be a white supremacist in the United States. Also, that's

00:20:28.820 actually not a crime. So having the FBI investigate that stuff is incredibly dangerous. Uh, and so

00:20:33.980 that's, that's the gist of what went on.

00:20:35.400 Before we go further, there's one point that shows an utter lack of any kind of sanity, even

00:20:45.240 the fact that they're using abortion as an indicator of racism is actually the opposite. So anybody

00:20:58.240 who looks at abortion in the United States, especially, but all over the world knows that

00:21:03.240 the whole practice was started as a racist eugenicist measure to get rid of, you guessed 0.97

00:21:10.200 it, black people. So how in the world are they seeing this with, by the way, African Americans 0.99

00:21:18.560 leading the charge on getting rid of abortion because it targets their own communities. And

00:21:25.060 yet they're seeing that as an indication of some kind of racist attitude. It's unreal. It's

00:21:31.920 exactly the opposite.

00:21:33.360 So a quick anecdote, my wife and I were married in Austin, Texas. We lived on the east side of

00:21:37.440 the freeway there. And people who have been to Austin know that the university is on the west

00:21:41.200 side. And then when you get east of I-35, you end up in, um, some of the more developing

00:21:45.760 neighborhoods, but they were kind of the fun places for hipsters and things like that.

00:21:48.560 And so my wife and I lived there. And as we would walk around in that neighborhood is if you went

00:21:52.560 north of, uh, first street or Cesar Chavez, you would be in a predominantly black neighborhood and

00:21:57.040 that's where you would end up on MLK. And, uh, and that's the road that runs through there is also an

00:22:01.360 east west road. And it's the only planned parenthood that you could find in the main part of Austin.

00:22:06.800 And it's in a black neighborhood on purpose. And so, you know, the, the placement of product, 0.99

00:22:11.920 uh, of this particular product, you know, this planned parenthood, uh, clinics, um, they're very

00:22:16.520 deliberate as you mentioned. And so people can experientially see that, but what I do think is

00:22:20.720 there's a secular religion right now. That's, that's, um, being promulgated by leftists in the United

00:22:24.860 States. Um, you know, I, I don't like using the word Democrat because a lot of them are not

00:22:28.620 necessarily Democrats or even traditional Democrats. And I don't have any political

00:22:33.100 inkling on it. What I have is a, uh, like a good versus bad. And that tends to be, um,

00:22:37.100 a leftist versus Americans. Like I would actually centrist and people who have other ideologies, 0.56

00:22:41.740 like don't bother me at all. But when you believe in the, uh, that abortion is a sacrament,

00:22:46.220 which is the way that it is argued for in a very secular way, that it's not just something

00:22:50.460 that when I was a kid, it was the safe, legal and rare argument. And so, you know,

00:22:54.700 I think a lot of people, you know, Catholics were doing this before it was cool. They were,

00:22:58.920 they were doing the March for life when nobody else knew about it. Right. Uh, but that being said,

00:23:03.440 it's, um, it's not safe, legal and rare anymore. That's not even the argument. The argument is that

00:23:06.860 it's wonderful and you should shout it and you should celebrate it. And how many of you had and

00:23:10.240 put it on your lapel pin, which is a nauseating display of at least, at least historically,

00:23:14.920 everybody sort of knew that it was a, maybe, you know, their argument was a necessary evil.

00:23:19.240 I disagree with that too, at this point, but I, at least I can, I can empathize with people

00:23:23.460 believing that some things that are really bad are necessary. Um, they're not even there and

00:23:28.260 they're not even hiding it. So yeah, trying to loop that in, it's a fundamental, like mainstream

00:23:33.140 Christian position that abortion is a problem in this country and that we are one of the biggest 0.85

00:23:37.060 problems internationally, uh, because very few people have the unrestricted access to, to killing

00:23:42.800 a baby as far down the line. And then moreover, the craziest thing for me as a father is that,

00:23:48.780 you know, when I was a kid, they did ultrasounds at some point, they would try and guess the sex

00:23:53.400 and it happened, you know, late in the pregnancy or mid pregnancy. Now at seven weeks, you can hear

00:23:57.260 the heartbeat of your child, which I've done three times. And you just go, um, you know,

00:24:02.680 many women are, have a developing baby with a heartbeat before they even know that they've missed 1.00

00:24:07.560 their period. And so if that is the case, the science has advanced to the point where it is

00:24:13.000 affirmed a pro-life position in a way that I think is very, very difficult to abuse. And then moreover,

00:24:17.660 you have these people that are arguing up, you know, from safe, legal, and rare to it's a moral

00:24:22.280 good. It's, it's a, it's just totally upside down. But, but, uh, you know, if you're going to be

00:24:28.000 trying to pick winners and losers in the, uh, in the ideology and the culture battle, then the FBI

00:24:31.920 has tried to pick the winner of the leftist position, which is like I said, incredibly dangerous.

00:24:36.800 Two things. One, I was stunned at first of all, the silence. So there was an amazing thing from,

00:24:44.060 um, I think it was 20 attorney generals that took this up right away and said how intolerable this

00:24:50.400 was. But from the religious leadership, there was veritable silence, especially from the religious

00:24:57.900 leadership that purports to lead the group that's being picked on here. The Catholic leadership was

00:25:05.020 very silent for a time. We, we, in fact, got to the Bishop of Richmond to, to ask specifically. So

00:25:12.680 eventually a statement was released, but in the interim, finally, a statement came on behalf of

00:25:19.520 the US bishops from Cardinal Dolan. And it's sad as how, as how weak this thing is. Let me read you

00:25:29.040 just the start of it, which was so startlingly bad because it seems to give some credence to the idea

00:25:37.660 that there is reason for the FBI to be picking on traditional Catholics because they start off with

00:25:43.920 condemning any kind of racism and encouraging even the FBI to go for that. To speak like that in the

00:25:52.220 face of an absolute attack on Catholics is unconscionable. But let me just read it to you.

00:25:56.740 This was the statement from Cardinal Dolan on behalf of the US bishops. This is how it starts.

00:26:03.240 Let me first be clear. Anyone who espouses racism or promotes violence is rejecting Catholic teaching

00:26:09.700 on the inherent dignity of each and every person. The USCCB roundly condemns such extremism and fully

00:26:16.440 supports the work of law enforcement officials to keep our communities safe. To start in with that

00:26:23.320 when your own faithful are under direct attack in the most obscene way, I thought was so far gone.

00:26:33.700 It's so given to political correctives themselves that I was stunned. I don't know if you've seen

00:26:38.920 that, but I'd love your reaction to it. Well, there's one word. It's cowardice. That's what

00:26:42.760 that looks like. But it's a pattern of cowardice that we've seen, I think, from the from the bishops,

00:26:47.160 particularly in America. And I'm imagining that is the case in many places as well. Look, we saw

00:26:53.160 evangelicals, we saw Protestants that were thrown in jail for continuing to practice their religion

00:27:00.400 as they see it in places like Canada. We saw it in, you know, one or two places in California.

00:27:05.820 And overwhelmingly, what we saw was mass compliance by first the bishops making orders and saying that

00:27:13.240 this must be done. And then by parish priests who are, you know, in some ways, they do have a

00:27:18.020 subservience where they have to do these sort of things, although I would have appreciated some

00:27:21.600 resistance there as well. For me, you can't have a religion that that produces or is attempting to 0.98

00:27:28.020 produce courage in the face of evil, and not show moral courage yourself. And, and as we talked about

00:27:35.080 before this, you know, I just I can't keep harkening back to the martyrs of the church. And I had a

00:27:41.320 discussion. And I didn't actually I didn't have this distinction in my mind. But the difference

00:27:44.040 between white and red martyrs, I talked to Timothy Gordon, who some of your viewers may know, and he's

00:27:49.480 a wild man, and he's super fun to talk to. But what he mentioned is, is like, you know, in your case,

00:27:52.980 you're a white martyr for the things that you know, are right. And that's the easiest thing to do. 0.70

00:27:57.060 And I agree that it was it was like, is it's not necessarily easy, but it's simple. The decision is

00:28:01.880 not very difficult. It wasn't going to take my my life as far as I can tell so far. And there was no

00:28:06.800 choice. You just do the thing because you know that your children are going to living in the world.

00:28:09.780 My question is always, what what world do you want to retire into? And are you willing to accept,

00:28:16.040 you know, spending your pension under tyranny? And I'm not. So you know, my position is was hard

00:28:21.380 line about things like the COVID vaccine mandate. That was one of the things that obviously got me

00:28:24.840 in trouble. I did whistleblowing activities about parents at school boards who didn't want,

00:28:28.660 you know, CRT or gender ideologies thrust on their children. And so that was the other thing that I

00:28:33.100 exposed very early on. And I'm sure that put me sideways with the FBI. So be it. That's,

00:28:38.120 that's, that's what my oath requires of me. But what about the leaders of the church?

00:28:42.900 Why did they roll over immediately and stop celebrating mass and space it out so that we

00:28:47.540 couldn't have everybody that was in the congregation show up at the mass that they chose? And why did we

00:28:51.860 space out these, you know, the pews? I saw pews, you know, taped off, you can't go in here and

00:28:56.720 people lose their minds about it. And everyone was wearing a mask. I've seen priests as recently as

00:29:00.380 this year, celebrating mass with a mask on, you must be out of your mind. You know, our ancestors

00:29:06.820 and faith literally celebrated next to the rotting flesh of people in the congregation and the dead

00:29:12.480 that had been buried in catacombs in Rome, and they were put to death if they were found. Even in my

00:29:18.120 own personal history, the Cistercians that I went to middle school with, they escaped under the iron

00:29:24.760 curtain, some of them, you know, as World War Two was coming to a close, and some of them thereafter,

00:29:28.380 because there were some pretty old guys, there were guys in their late 80s. When I was, you know, in my

00:29:33.820 early teens, or even younger, they escaped under machine gun fire and German shepherds, they escaped

00:29:40.000 through barbed wire and minefields in order to come to the United States, so they could freely celebrate

00:29:44.800 the mass. And to know that those people have, like, I've met in my lifetime, you know, went through that,

00:29:50.120 and we were scared of what, maybe a government fine. We were, we were shutting down the cry room at the

00:29:56.860 church that I went to in Springfield, Virginia. And it was an enormous cry room, and children were not

00:30:01.900 affected. And basic science was in place. And it's like, we wanted to assume the risk of being able

00:30:06.460 to put our children and put them in, you know, so we could attend the Eucharist. And in the meantime,

00:30:10.320 they were saying, stay home and watch it on TV. And for me, that cowardice is now just displayed in

00:30:15.720 that letter in the same way, it goes back several years of rolling over. And when you start with an

00:30:21.580 acknowledgement of something that is, it's, it's like saying Catholics believe in Jesus Christ as

00:30:27.280 a savior. Like, we already know that nobody is allowed to be a bigot, and nobody is allowed to

00:30:32.040 have discrimination. In fact, it was one of the things that I, that I disclosed to the FBI on why

00:30:35.800 I wouldn't test myself for COVID every 72 hours, because that was the, that was the, the compliance

00:30:40.480 attempt. They said, either get the shot, or you must test for COVID every 72 hours to show your

00:30:45.240 compliance and obedience. And my answer was, I'm not going to discriminate against anybody. Like,

00:30:50.000 we know anybody can get the virus. That's how viruses work. So either everybody tests or nobody

00:30:53.800 tests. And I, and I include myself in that. I'm not going to allow discrimination against myself.

00:30:57.700 Where are the Catholic bishops saying we are not going to allow discrimination against ourselves

00:31:01.200 first and foremost. And of course, we believe all the things that we believe. That's why this is so

00:31:05.480 abhorrent. It's, it's not something that is anywhere near a Catholic teaching. And there is no

00:31:10.520 evidence that I can see that anybody believes those things in the Catholic church, at least not anybody

00:31:14.460 that's, you know, actually practicing and shows up to traditional service. It's absurd. It's like on its

00:31:19.860 face, it's absurd, which is why there's been such a big backlash, obviously.

00:31:24.160 We should talk about that for a minute. You're being removed from the FBI. What went down there?

00:31:28.800 It was in October of 2021, where the enforcement of the, the Biden administration, a vaccine mandate

00:31:35.160 came down. I'd already had COVID. I had some very serious concerns about the development of the

00:31:40.000 vaccine shots using, you know, hex cells and things like that. This would be a human embryonic tissue.

00:31:44.640 And so based on that, I was a conscientious objector to the shot and I had some medical concerns too,

00:31:49.020 but essentially I remember at 15 years old, I was at the Jesuit high school in Dallas and I attended

00:31:54.160 a traveling exhibition of the Holocaust museum. And one of the things that stuck with me and it stuck

00:31:59.660 with me for, you know, what, uh, over 25 years at this point, you talk about, um, that not only can

00:32:05.400 you not tolerate things like what went on in the Holocaust, but we can't benefit from any of the 0.99

00:32:09.540 things they did. And they did horrific experiments on human beings, right? Um, they, they vivisected twins

00:32:15.240 and to see if they were the same on the inside, they would drown one and then put the other one

00:32:19.520 and see who could handle, you know, hot water longer, or they would burn them and things like

00:32:23.320 this. So, and they use that medical data and all of that was sworn off. Um, they were all sworn off

00:32:28.660 under the Nuremberg, uh, trials and after the trials that we would never use that information

00:32:33.620 because even though it was valuable to understand how human beings operate, we, we can't use that

00:32:38.720 information in the same way. I believe fetal cells are the same deal. You know, you're basically using a

00:32:43.080 sin and trying to find a good at it. That's not something we can tolerate. So that was my

00:32:46.620 objection. Um, on top of that, like I said, October 27th, I went to Congress with a letter

00:32:52.280 that said the FBI was going to be investigating parents under this threat tag. That was the EDU

00:32:57.080 officials. Um, it's like a hashtag, but it's an, it's a threat tag that goes into different cases

00:33:01.820 and it flags Intel for these types of products that you, that we're talking about here, the Catholic 0.83

00:33:06.040 document. And so that was a big problem to me. And then, you know, the argument came back,

00:33:10.860 well, like, we're not saying we're going to investigate parents. It's like, what do you

00:33:13.440 think the FBI does? They do investigations. It's literally in the name. You know, it's part

00:33:17.360 of the brand investigations is the purpose of the FBI. We don't write term papers. We go talk to

00:33:21.800 people. We do investigations. And if we find crimes, then we arrest them. We take them in jail. We

00:33:25.460 prosecute them with the DOJ. That's the purpose of the entity. So to argue otherwise is either

00:33:30.500 ignorant or it's being disingenuous. And I don't care which one it is because both are wrong. 0.92

00:33:34.640 Um, so I went to Congress with that. And, uh, at the same time, as I said, I wasn't going to do

00:33:38.160 these, these COVID, uh, tests or shots or any of that. So I was told to stay home in November of

00:33:42.560 21, December of 21. In January, I came in and qualified for my firearm. I was removed from

00:33:47.180 duty at that point and put on AWOL status, which I didn't even know existed. So then I just kind of

00:33:51.360 found myself sort of in this persona non gratis kind of position. And then everything changed after

00:33:55.860 the state of the union, when, uh, the Biden administration changed all the rules on, on March

00:33:59.660 4th, um, after he went out and spoke because he wanted people in Congress to be able to show up

00:34:03.280 without a mask. So he could look like he was doing a great job, a very blatant and obvious political

00:34:07.260 move. So I got to go back into the office on March 4th. And, uh, that was very weird because I hadn't

00:34:11.660 been there in a hundred days. And I was obviously a person who had done some, you know, agitating.

00:34:16.720 And so, uh, I was removed from, from the, uh, the office six days later or six weeks later,

00:34:20.720 rather they pulled my badge, my gun, my, my pension or my paycheck and all that. And, uh, on June 1st,

00:34:25.560 I was indefinitely suspended for being unprofessional to a police officer, but, uh, people can go to my

00:34:30.120 rumble channel and check out the video. I'm very transparent about it. And they can also check out

00:34:33.920 the 68 minute audio call that I taped with the investigator who was investigating me, who mentioned

00:34:38.200 that I didn't do anything illegal or immoral or unethical, but it didn't look good. And she didn't

00:34:43.120 like it because of the way the wind was blowing and also the temperature and the humidity and other

00:34:47.200 absurdities that were very, you know, very transparent. So they can go and see it. You know,

00:34:50.940 I I'm, I'm all about like, look, if you think that I'm not credible, then you should go and see for

00:34:54.540 yourself and make your own decision. And, uh, and people who are transparent tend to be more credible.

00:34:58.920 Um, people also told me I speak so quickly that they know I'm not lying, which I think it's really

00:35:03.580 funny, drives my mother nuts, but, uh, but I speak quickly enough because I'm just saying the things

00:35:07.640 that I know are true and, uh, and I don't have time to fabricate anything on it. So, uh, and that's,

00:35:12.780 that's why I got removed. Uh, they've argued otherwise they've argued in court that I'm not

00:35:16.340 a whistleblower, despite the fact that the, you know, the house, uh, GOP knows that I am.

00:35:21.160 And I continue to make disclosures, uh, including this week, obviously, uh, I'm just going to keep

00:35:25.280 doing it. That's what needs to be done. I don't get paid for it. There's no money involved.

00:35:28.920 That's why people can support us by watching our show. And maybe we can monetize that one

00:35:32.040 day. But moreover, the FBI belongs to the American people. That's who pays for it. And that's my

00:35:36.300 belief. And so the people in the FBI that know that, and there's a lot of them, they want this

00:35:40.640 information out. So we're going to do that. We're going to put it out there and let people see it.

00:35:44.540 And, um, you know, the FBI doesn't like that. Intelligence agencies don't like you talking

00:35:48.560 about the things that make them look bad. That's sort of the big nature of it.

00:35:51.880 There is something that I think you can really help, uh, your fellow Catholics with, especially

00:35:57.520 those who are a target. In the document, they talk about, it's about investigating them, but it's

00:36:05.160 also about infiltrating into the ranks of these traditional Latin mass Catholics. That's really

00:36:10.920 scary because then what you, then you're just in with those you think are your brothers and

00:36:18.880 sisters commuting with you at the Holy sacrifice, the mass, and then after mass and whatever.

00:36:24.600 How do we confront that? What, what are we supposed to make of that? Um, you know, where,

00:36:29.440 where do we go from here? The way you deal with it is by being a good Catholic, by being someone

00:36:33.460 who, uh, who lives your faith. And there's one of two possible outcomes. Uh, outcome one is

00:36:39.060 the, if somebody were to infiltrate, and I don't think that's been done yet, but I can't,

00:36:43.000 I can't say that it hasn't with any, you know, definitive, uh, comfort. If somebody has been

00:36:47.880 infiltrating the church, the answer is, is that they are going to find nothing because your church

00:36:52.360 is a place that, that practices Catholicism. And that is, that is antithetical to any of the

00:36:58.040 things that they were looking for. That's part one. Uh, and part two is potentially the example

00:37:02.060 of your faith turns their heart to, and they become a convert or they, or they, um, they realize

00:37:07.140 the error and what their ways is. And then they bring the next piece of information to me.

00:37:10.420 So that that's the way you just live your faith. And it's the same thing that has always

00:37:13.720 happened under persecution. You know, that it exists. You know, that there are things that

00:37:17.700 are, um, that, that represent injustice in the world. And then you don't be preoccupied about

00:37:22.960 them. You just work to be a source through your own example of, uh, of courageously living the way

00:37:29.280 that you are, you're called to. And so that, that's the easiest thing I can think of. It's,

00:37:33.420 it's actually just keep doing what you're doing and do it well and know that, um, you know,

00:37:37.560 being tested is part of it. Um, somebody said, you know, if you get arrested, at least you'll

00:37:41.640 have a lot of things to, uh, to offer up. I guess that's true, but that that's a, you know,

00:37:46.840 I think Mark Howell told me that that's what he did. You know, he was arrested for, for doing

00:37:50.580 what he believes is correct. And I think he's also correct by fighting against abortion and, 0.81

00:37:53.760 and, and, you know, trying to help people make a better decision. And he was put in jail for it.

00:37:58.280 So, um, you know, blessed are you for being persecuted in this case, right? Um, that's the

00:38:02.460 real thing. So take it on as a, as a badge of honor and then, and then live your faith. That's the

00:38:06.700 easiest thing anybody can do. Um, and also the hardest thing probably.

00:38:09.840 I think in, in some ways they will find what they're looking for. If they're looking for

00:38:15.760 anti-abortion activists, if they're looking for people who are, you know, into the Latin mass

00:38:22.460 and, uh, into the traditions of the teaching of the faith who won't swerve on the whole LGBT agenda

00:38:29.120 and all that stuff, they will find that. Um, so.

00:38:33.500 Yes. Luckily that's what's supposed to happen. So once again, um, you know, the government is,

00:38:37.720 is required to remain agnostic and, and moreover, even when it comes to the things like we know

00:38:41.580 that the ideological veil was dropped in this product. Um, the writer doesn't talk about abortion

00:38:45.680 and action. Uh, he talks about, and I'm pretty confident to he based on some conversations I've

00:38:51.240 had, he talks about abortion rights. Okay. He lets the, he lets the veil fall another time and talks

00:38:56.940 about, uh, you know, the rights of pregnant persons to terminate a pregnancy. There are no pregnant 1.00

00:39:02.380 persons. I'll, I'll be very emphatic about that. I know a pregnant person and it's a woman like that 0.97

00:39:07.220 was my, you know, that's what my wife was. This is how you ended up with children. I don't know

00:39:10.940 if anybody's like mystified by this, but for thousands of years, there was no question about

00:39:14.440 it. And, uh, and suddenly we're so smart in this postmodern existence with this very

00:39:19.100 like cultural Marxist attitude that we can negotiate what biological fact is. And it's absurd

00:39:23.980 and it's sad, but that doesn't stop any normal person from living. And you can't even live the way

00:39:29.880 that these people do. I'll share with something. I think it's just kind of funny as a, as an

00:39:33.680 anecdote to people's frustration with this, because it is frustrating to see this attitude coming at

00:39:38.320 you. Right. And, uh, and here's what I think is fun. The cultural Marxist, the people that, um,

00:39:44.100 you know, this espouse a socialist or a communist type agenda that is very antithetical to religion

00:39:48.180 and they're, um, they're hateful of it. My father-in-law is one of these people. Um, he's a nice man,

00:39:52.160 but he doesn't believe in religion and it makes him viscerally angry. And he's sort of a Marxist at

00:39:57.480 heart. That's his belief. You cannot be a Marxist without Christianity. And you don't have

00:40:01.460 Christianity without Catholicism going back 2000 years. None of these things exist because the 1.00

00:40:05.700 innate value of the poor is a, it's not a Judeo-Christian tradition. It's a Christian 0.53

00:40:12.080 tradition, right? Like that fundamental value. Where do they think they got that from? Nobody

00:40:17.120 believed that the poor were, were a value until, you know, we had the sacrifice of Christ saying that,

00:40:22.400 that that's what, that all people have value. And so they're espousing a Christian tradition,

00:40:27.040 even without meaning to. And for me, that's funny. And I just remind them that when they

00:40:31.340 wake up with that headache every morning, that's called cognitive dissonance. That's their ideas,

00:40:34.700 banging into facts on a regular basis and disagreeing with themselves and hitting the

00:40:38.420 side of their head. And that's okay. Like, that's great. Like just, you know, we have to just love

00:40:42.540 people. We're supposed to love our enemies, but these are not even our enemies. These are just

00:40:45.300 people that don't understand what's going on. And so live the example.

00:40:48.280 Kyle, that's absolutely beautiful. Where can people go to get more from you again? Just look up

00:40:52.720 Kyle Serafin on anywhere I know, but, um, when are you writing a book?

00:40:57.060 Kyle Serafin So I was offered a book deal, which is funny. And, um, and my wife and I were laughing

00:41:01.620 about it because I don't have the bandwidth to sit and write a book at the moment. Cause what I'm,

00:41:05.400 I'm moving too quickly as the FBI lady told me, I'm, I'm just moving too quickly. Um, but I think

00:41:12.460 that there's a more to this story. I think it's still coming. And so I will maybe start putting

00:41:16.240 down some of the words I said. I mean, I could write all day long. I sat down for an hour and a half

00:41:19.520 and I put 3000 words on the page, but I don't know if anybody wants to read it and I don't want to read it.

00:41:23.420 So that doesn't tell me the story is there yet. Uh, I'm waiting for that moment where, when it makes

00:41:27.740 sense to me, if it, if it does. Uh, but, but what I spent a lot of time on is, is, uh, true social

00:41:32.120 and Twitter. Um, I despise social media by, by default, uh, as a former intelligence, uh, you know,

00:41:39.260 uh, employee in the, in the intelligence community, that's just not my, my nature to be very public.

00:41:43.820 And yet, uh, that's, what's being asked of me, I think. And so I'm doing it. And, uh, the reward

00:41:49.180 is that many people want to follow the account. So at Kyle Serafin on truth at Kyle Serafin on

00:41:53.740 Twitter at Kyle Serafin on YouTube at Kyle Serafin or slash Kyle Serafin on rumble. And, um, and then

00:42:00.040 the Kyle Serafin show and any of the podcast kind of places you go, all those things are just me

00:42:03.860 trying to share the message as best I can. And, uh, I continue to, you know, if I can't get somebody

00:42:09.080 to publish it, I'll just publish it myself. And it turns out that there are a lot of people that want

00:42:13.060 to hear it. I think this Catholic document hit what my buddy, Steve friend calls, um, the thermal 0.67

00:42:18.100 exhaust port. If people remember star Wars and the death star, like they take it down by going

00:42:21.880 through the exhaust port, uh, in, in many ways, this, this was a, was a major misstep and it was

00:42:27.260 only one person, but it represents a lot of that culture that I've seen in the FBI. So, uh, people

00:42:31.440 are more and more hungry. They're opening their eyes up to it. They're saying, you know, is our

00:42:34.620 government looking after us? And it, and it is, um, particularly if you're a conservative and a

00:42:39.160 Christian and a Catholic specifically in this case. So that's where they can find it and, you know,

00:42:43.460 boost the signal. And I'm, I'm trying to speak to all the Catholic places that want to do it.

00:42:46.840 It's not, it's not what I set out to do. I don't see myself as a, you know, some sort

00:42:50.500 of example in the Catholic church. I'm a, I do my best and I'm probably a mediocre Catholic

00:42:54.680 on my best days. I do the best to try to live it. But, uh, but you know, we, we try to rise

00:43:00.180 to the occasion when, when things are asked of us. So hopefully I'm doing that.

00:43:02.960 Kyle Serafin, thank you so much. Thank you also to your wife and your family who are letting

00:43:07.100 you do what you're doing. God bless you.

00:43:08.840 Thank you so much. Yeah. I appreciate it.

00:43:10.440 And God bless all of you. We'll see you next time.

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The John-Henry Westen Show - February 28, 2023

FBI Whistleblower Kyle Seraphin Explains Woke Agenda to Surveil Latin Mass Catholics

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