The John-Henry Westen Show - 'Fertility is not a disease'： How a medical miracle changed this doctor's stance on contraception

00:00:00.000 This world is getting so incredibly dark that I think good news almost doesn't cut it anymore.

00:00:07.200 We need good, almost supernaturally good news in order to break through what seems like an impossible situation of evil everywhere, overwhelming evil, and we're feeling suffocated.

00:00:19.780 Well, my guest today is Dr. Michelle Critella, great pediatrician, doctor, who really, I mean, top of her class, just incredible.

00:00:32.520 Well, she's got an incredible story.

00:00:36.680 How did she come to be a physician who practices her Catholic faith so well, is unafraid to speak on all the hardest of issues, contraception, abortion, even transgenderism and the LGBT.

00:00:50.480 Well, she got through one miracle after another, after another.

00:00:55.700 You're going to want to stay tuned for this one.

00:00:57.260 Dr. Michelle Critella, welcome to the program.

00:01:21.040 Thank you, John Henry. It's good to be here.

00:01:23.660 Let's begin as we always do with the sign of the cross.

00:01:26.580 In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost. Amen.

00:01:31.920 I have been so looking forward to being able to speak with you here.

00:01:35.960 Your story is so encouraging.

00:01:37.900 And at this time, we need encouragement like nothing else.

00:01:41.000 So if you wouldn't mind beginning with just a little bit about yourself, where you're from, what do you do?

00:01:47.580 And then we'll get into your story.

00:01:50.680 Sure.

00:01:51.240 Well, born and raised in Rhode Island in the United States and born into a Catholic family.

00:02:01.060 And my faith was really gifted to me by my mother who survived polio as a child.

00:02:11.620 And so as a little girl myself, my mother's story really stood out to me in that at age seven, she spent her entire, I guess between the ages of six and seven, spent her entire first grade year in the hospital recovering from polio.

00:02:34.380 And when she went back home, the doctors told her mother that my mother would never be able to use her left arm.

00:02:45.200 It just hung limp at her side.

00:02:48.600 And my grandmother, my grandmother and grandfather were very devout Canadian, French, Roman Catholic and did an avena to the Holy Spirit.

00:02:59.240 And my grandmother had a medal to the Holy Spirit blessed by the parish priest.

00:03:04.720 And at the end of the novena, called my mother over to her.

00:03:11.960 And my mom tells the story.

00:03:13.700 She remembers being age seven, sitting in her favorite rocking chair.

00:03:18.440 My grandmother called her over to the kitchen. 1.00

00:03:20.660 My mother remembers walking over.

00:03:22.560 My grandmother pinned the blessed medal to the Holy Spirit on my mother's shirt sleeve.

00:03:30.580 My mom remembers feeling extremely warm and a rush.

00:03:35.820 And then being back in the rocking chair.

00:03:38.420 Does not remember walking back to the rocking chair.

00:03:40.640 She remembers that warmth, that rush back in the rocking chair.

00:03:44.780 And looking up, seeing my grandmother now in front of her with tears streaming down her face.

00:03:54.480 And my mother, you know, said, why are you crying?

00:03:58.440 And my grandmother just pointed to her arm. 1.00

00:04:01.740 My mother had sat in the chair and crossed her arms.

00:04:04.680 It's the first time she had moved that left arm since being admitted to the hospital with the polio.

00:04:11.200 So, for myself, as a little girl, hearing that story, there was never any doubt in my mind that God is real.

00:04:20.600 Miracles happen.

00:04:21.580 Prayers are heard.

00:04:23.100 And we don't always get the answer we necessarily want.

00:04:27.360 But God is real.

00:04:29.840 That's something that was instilled in me very, very young.

00:04:33.100 And my mother, you know, growing up with my mother, I never saw her as, sure, she had a weakness in that left arm.

00:04:43.720 But she did everything that any other mom could do or did. 0.93

00:04:47.380 You know, cooking and cleaning and being involved with the parent, school mom and teaching CCD and throwing parties, all that.

00:04:57.460 So, that was definitely a big influence in my faith life.

00:05:06.320 In terms of what I do now, I became a general pediatrician.

00:05:09.780 And I practiced in rural and suburban group practices for about 17 years in Rhode Island and Connecticut.

00:05:23.340 And ultimately, about eight years ago, well, nine years now, like 2012, I'm also a married mom of four.

00:05:32.880 And so, back in 2012, decided that I wanted to devote more time to my family.

00:05:38.340 I left clinical practice and became director of the American College of Pediatricians, which is a pro-life, natural law, scientific organization of pediatricians.

00:05:52.720 The only natural law pediatric organization in the world, actually.

00:05:57.400 But that allowed me to use my medical knowledge and be more present to my kids.

00:06:06.440 So, that was a great gift.

00:06:09.380 In that role, I'm often accused by detractors of, oh, she's Catholic and she's not about science.

00:06:18.680 She's just out to, you know, enforce whatever the Pope says on issues of sexuality, abortion, and contraception. 0.97

00:06:30.780 And really, nothing could be further from the truth.

00:06:36.200 As I look back at my life, although my faith was always, it was instilled in me very young and I grew up with a daily prayer life from the beginning and a devotion to the rosary from the sixth grade forward.

00:06:53.320 I always went to public school and my father, who's an electrical engineer, my mother, by training, she worked in the microbiology lab.

00:07:07.160 There was always this sense of there's faith and there's science and they have their own realms.

00:07:15.700 And they generally, you know, they're in parallel.

00:07:24.620 They don't necessarily contradict one another, except, and this was my mother's, this was my mother's teaching.

00:07:33.860 She said, you know, I think the church is wrong on contraception because wives should not be afraid to be with their husbands.

00:07:41.320 You know, contraception, you're preventing the creation of a new life. 0.99

00:07:46.480 You're not killing as an abortion. 0.98

00:07:48.340 And the other, the other issue in which I intuitively thought the church teaching made sense, the church teaching on homosexuality, that same-sex attractions, same-sex erotic attractions are intrinsically disordered.

00:08:12.020 And, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, because men and women are made for one another and children are the crowning gift of marriage.

00:08:38.220 marriage. And so to my 12 year old brain sitting in the pew, I said to myself, well, that makes

00:08:43.340 sense. I mean, yeah, this is biology 101. Sexual attractions should serve reproduction. So that

00:08:50.980 made sense to me. But when I got into medical school, I was, I was taught by our professors

00:08:59.480 that, oh no, no, it's genetic and it's genes and hormones that cause a person to be, to have

00:09:10.160 same sex homosexual attractions. It's, it's not a choice now in medical school. They don't really 0.99

00:09:18.760 teach you. Number one, they did not put forth the actual studies, by the way, they just told us the

00:09:25.340 conclusion. If they had actually showed us the studies, twin studies, um, and actually been

00:09:34.280 transparent, they would have said, what you see here is that genes and environment contribute

00:09:43.180 together and actually environment plays a bigger role, but that's not what was said. So it was,

00:09:49.360 you're in med school, you're getting, uh, you're being taught. It's the image that they, that, um,

00:09:58.620 expresses med school best is you tell your teachers, Hey, I'm thirsty. And they take out a fire hose and

00:10:04.900 blast you with it. And you don't necessarily analyze data, um, very deeply. You're just taking

00:10:14.140 the basic conclusions and things are lost over. But the bottom line is in med school, I came to

00:10:20.440 believe, oh, you're born this way. And, um, it's an interesting progression because you, you maintained

00:10:28.460 your faith all the way through, but you had these distortions in it. Um, it's a, it's an incredible

00:10:34.640 thing because you're here, you are in the medical field, but also with a mom who experienced a miraculous

00:10:39.800 healing herself, but still had this sort of disagreement with the church officially with

00:10:45.560 regard to the issue of contraception, which we know is so fundamental. Um, how, how did, uh, how did you

00:10:52.080 get to where you are now? Um, you know, very well known for sticking with all the church's teachings

00:10:58.220 and you're, and you're one who, who was accused of, yeah, just doing what the church wants, not being

00:11:03.800 part of science at all. Right. Right. Um, yeah, well it's, um, God is patient way more. God is patient

00:11:16.080 and, and he, he, uh, he had something in store for me. Um, I'm just laughing because when, when I met my

00:11:27.940 husband, I met my husband in medical school and we got in, um, they came engaged. My husband said,

00:11:35.020 you know, he came from a family of just three boys and I grew up just myself and a younger brother.

00:11:41.120 And my husband said, I think I would love to have four kids now. I, and, and he said this,

00:11:49.220 we were engaged. I was only a second year med student. I looked at him. I said, what are you crazy?

00:11:55.540 Do you think I'm in med school to get an MRS degree? You think I'm, I, I'm gonna, I'm doing 0.59

00:12:02.060 this so that I can marry you and be barefoot fat and pregnant for the rest of my life. 1.00

00:12:06.720 I said, no way we are doing it the way my mom did the right way. We're going to have one boy and

00:12:11.620 one girl and we're, we're going to be done. So, I mean, just like, I, I really had, you know,

00:12:17.220 drunk the Kool-Aid on the, um, that aspect of the, um, sexual revolution. Um, however,

00:12:26.760 so we had our, our, we did get married and I, um, went through finished med school and

00:12:35.440 first got married and went through my pediatric residency and, um, planned because in residency,

00:12:46.320 where I was, we routinely worked a hundred hours a week. Um, I, I planned it so that I could do

00:12:54.500 electives. I could stack my electives the last three months of my final year of residency.

00:13:00.960 And, and that's when we conceived our first son. So, um, since they were electives, I only had to

00:13:06.740 work 60 hours a week, but, um, nevertheless, um, by age 32, we now had, uh, two sons, a three-year-old

00:13:19.880 and a six-month-old. And we had moved back, um, uh, to Rhode Island. We were back equidistance between

00:13:28.780 both sets of grandparents. And, um, although I was sad that I didn't have a girl, I was still very

00:13:38.240 much committed to, Oh no, this is it. Two kids. That's it. Because I'm a pediatrician and I'm going

00:13:46.420 to be in the world and making a difference, be God's pro-life warrior, because I was very much, um,

00:13:53.600 I went into medicine because I was, uh, dedicated to doing all I could to save babies from abortion

00:14:02.360 and to keep women healthy, to, to help women have alternatives to abortion. And I thought that's it.

00:14:08.940 That's what God wants me to do. And that's it. Well, when I was 32 years old, three-year-old and a

00:14:15.560 six-month-old, um, February, 2001, three nights in a row, I woke up at 2 AM. The first couple nights

00:14:27.280 that I woke up at 2 AM, our oldest son, our three-year-old, he had night terrors. And I went,

00:14:34.180 sat with him until the night tour was over. Then realized, Whoa, do I have a headache? But convinced

00:14:42.580 myself the first two nights that the headache must've been because of his night terror third night

00:14:49.000 spot on 2 AM. I w I woke again this time, no night terror, dead silence in the house. And

00:15:00.020 I felt like my head was going to explode. Um, I thought my eyes were going to pop out of the sockets.

00:15:10.980 Um, it was in med school. We call that a classic thunderclap headache, complete silence in the

00:15:17.900 house. Clearly it was the pain that had awakened me. And I knew in my gut, Oh my gosh, I've, I've got a

00:15:27.420 brain tumor. It didn't absolutely have to be a brain tumor. It could have been something else bad,

00:15:32.140 like an aneurysm or abscess, brain abscess. Um, of course my, my husband, who's also a physician,

00:15:42.120 um, wouldn't believe that anything terrible could be happening to his wife and it's, it's a migraine.

00:15:51.480 Of course, I didn't really have a history of migraines and migraines don't typically present

00:15:56.840 in the middle of the night with nevertheless, that's it's common with one of the reasons

00:16:02.140 physicians try not to treat family. You know, you, you either over react or underreact

00:16:07.680 in any case, uh, that was 2 AM by the time it got to be 6 AM. I, um, was vomiting nonstop and

00:16:19.200 on that, just laying on the, on the cold bathroom floor was all I could do to not be throwing up and

00:16:27.680 feeling okay. And my husband clearly knew he still didn't want to believe it was bad, but he said,

00:16:32.400 wow, yeah, I really do have to get you to the emergency room and calm this down. Um, and, uh,

00:16:40.580 so he, he did get me to the, to the ER where, um, they were able to give me some, some pain meds and,

00:16:48.460 and then nausea meds and get me into the CAT scan. And, and, um, all this time I was very, um,

00:16:57.480 anxious, fearful, convinced that it was a brain tumor and, um, waiting in the, uh, in the emergency,

00:17:06.480 well, waiting in the ER after having the CAT scans. Um, my husband in the meantime was, um,

00:17:15.560 he had our two sons with him in a stroller pushing it by the, um, radiology department. Again,

00:17:24.180 he was a physician at the hospital, so he pushed back and later recounted to me that, um, he stopped

00:17:33.580 in the doorway of the radiology department and saw cats, uh, some CAT scans up, um, the lights and from

00:17:41.920 the doorway could see the brain tumor, right frontal brain tumor, probably about the size. Yeah. About

00:17:50.240 the size of maybe a walnut, but the brain had already shifted instead of being centered, it had

00:17:58.000 already shifted to the left. And, and my husband thought to himself, Whoa, don't want to be that

00:18:03.040 person. And then the radiologist turned around with tears coming down his face because of course it was

00:18:09.680 my scan. So, um, so I'm still back in the, in the room waiting for results and the ER doc came in with

00:18:22.680 my husband. And of course my husband has a little tear. The ER doc also had like tears because both of

00:18:28.720 us worked at this hospital. So they, they knew, um, at the moment they walked in, uh, all of my fear

00:18:38.100 immediately went away and I had this heavy warmth just descend upon me from my head throughout my entire

00:18:50.260 body down to my toes. And I knew I was going to live, but that's like, it was this certainty, unlike,

00:19:01.300 you know, this peace and fortitude, unlike anything the world can give. I just knew it.

00:19:09.600 The ER doc said there is a lesion. It's in the right frontal, uh, lobe. There is a lesion where we

00:19:17.480 are going to give you Decadron now, uh, because that will decrease the swelling. You know, your brain

00:19:23.980 has shifted. That's why you're in so much pain, but we can decrease the swelling on the brain by giving

00:19:30.120 you the Decadron. And we, you know, we've already put a call in to the neurosurgeon at Rhode Island

00:19:35.520 hospital, the neurosurgery team. And, um, and my husband said to me, you're taking this really well.

00:19:46.960 And I said, I said, I think it's because I knew, I mean, I, I knew it was a tumor and

00:19:53.300 I'm, I don't know why I know, but I'm not, I'm not going to die. And, um, then I, I, I, then the ER doc

00:20:08.160 left and I, and I said to my husband, I said, so what kind do they think, do they have an idea what

00:20:15.240 kind it is? And he said, um, yeah, glioblastoma multiforme. So glioblastoma multiforme is the most

00:20:26.680 common and deadly brain tumor, um, found in adults. Um, and I, again, being a pediatrician,

00:20:36.460 yeah, I kind of, I listened to what he said and I thought back to med school brain tumors. And I said,

00:20:43.100 that's, that's not good. He said, no, no. Um, so the, you know, the, that my husband had called his

00:20:55.760 parents and my parents, they, they, they came in and, and, um, uh, everyone was crying, but I wasn't,

00:21:07.540 I wasn't crying. I, I, I knew it was this. Yep. I'm a doctor. I know this is really bad,

00:21:14.780 but I can't shake this certitude that it's going to be okay. Um, and the, the wonderful with the

00:21:24.000 miracle of, of medicine, they were actually, um, able to, um, manage me, my, my symptoms. They could,

00:21:35.240 by decreasing the swelling that relieved the pain and the nausea. I was actually able to go home.

00:21:40.880 I didn't have to go into the hospital. You know, I could actually go home and, um, my appointment

00:21:48.880 with the neurosurgeon, uh, and the neuro-oncologist were set up for the next day. Um, and, uh, you know,

00:21:59.360 so the, the other, the, probably the most important thing my, my husband did in addition

00:22:07.540 to all the, you know, getting a medical appointment set up, um, the, one of the first calls he made

00:22:14.180 was to our, um, um, uh, our, our church prayer group. And, um, the woman who was in charge of it

00:22:25.000 at the time had a son who was a member of the Franciscan friars of the renewal. And of course

00:22:30.300 they had friars all around the world. So within a very short time, I later found out I had thousands

00:22:36.280 of people praying for me all around the world. Um, uh, when I, when we followed up, uh, the next

00:22:45.180 day with the neurosurgeon, he, he confirmed, uh, basically affirmed what the, the ER doc's

00:22:53.000 impression was that, yeah, your whole presentation, it was just so rapid. And so, uh, the, the location

00:22:58.400 of the tumor, um, the degree of the swelling, it really appears to have metastasized. There's,

00:23:04.500 you know, suggestion of bleeding. This is all consistent with the glioblastoma multiforme. Um,

00:23:12.360 my parents were in the room. So the neurosurgeon, I think my mom, my vestibule really like, um,

00:23:20.700 what are the chances it could be something else? And so, um, you know, the neurosurgeon said, well,

00:23:28.000 maybe 7%. Um, maybe it's a 7% chance that it's not a brain, not this. And I don't know,

00:23:37.100 maybe it's, uh, a brain abscess. Not that I had any reason to have a brain abscess, like, you know,

00:23:44.920 and anyway, um, uh, we set up the surgery. The surgery was going to be eight days from diagnosis.

00:23:56.300 So I was diagnosed on Thursday. The surgery was set up for the following week on a, on a Friday.

00:24:03.560 And, um, what was truly, um, remarkable at, at, at that time, it happened to be during Lent.

00:24:14.120 And, um, so I, I was able to, uh, I was able to be, uh, obviously anointed by, by our, by our pastor.

00:24:23.860 And, um, it was funny because when we went, when we went in to see him, it was, we have an adoration

00:24:30.480 chapel, a 24 hour adoration chapel. I wanted to go there to pray with my husband. And I think it was

00:24:36.900 a Saturday morning and, and often our pastor is out on a Saturday morning. I said, well, you know what,

00:24:43.180 before we go on the chapel, let's just ring the doorbell just in case father's there. Well,

00:24:46.740 he was there. And not only was any, you know, Mark tells him the story in the doorway and was,

00:24:51.040 come in, I want to anoint you. And, you know, we don't normally have our, our, um, intercessory

00:24:55.880 prayer group, uh, here on Saturday mornings, but they are, they're in the next room. I want them to

00:25:01.240 pray over you right now. And, um, you know, and, and then we were also going to have our,

00:25:07.380 our parish mission was starting that Monday night. And I had, I had had no intention of going

00:25:13.500 of course now, Hey, I didn't have anything else to do.

00:25:18.380 So I went to that parish mission on a Monday night and, um, I don't remember what it was about.

00:25:27.220 What I remember is the close of that Monday night when, uh, father Larry Richards, who gave the

00:25:34.960 mission said, by the way, we are going to have, um, healing mass with confessions on Wednesday.

00:25:43.200 Let me remind you of the mortal sins that need to be confessed to a priest. And he went through

00:25:50.100 them alphabetically. And, you know, of course, abortion was the first one, but the second one,

00:25:55.140 he said, blew me away. He said, abortion, artificial contraception. I didn't hear, I, I didn't hear

00:26:04.340 anything else he said after that. He got to artificial contraception and God hit me smack

00:26:12.660 between the eyes. I was just, I was, yes, I'm in the church. I know that father Larry Richards,

00:26:18.820 he's still talking, going down the alphabet, but in front of my eyes, I saw every, it was like a

00:26:25.780 ticker tape of every, um, argument in favor of contraception that I had ever, uh, believed,

00:26:33.240 but I had ever heard, read, taught, believed. And it was just going right by my, right by my eyes,

00:26:40.720 one after the other. And I knew they were lies. I knew they were wrong in my heart. And I did not

00:26:50.240 understand, but I believed, and that is the first time in my life I believed before understanding.

00:26:58.020 Now with, with the issue of abortion, I was taught about fetal development in, in middle school. And,

00:27:05.520 and I, and I had heard, um, witness stories from women who were harmed by abortion. So I understood 0.97

00:27:12.320 the evil first. And, and then I looked to the church and said, oh yeah, that makes sense. You don't

00:27:18.100 kill innocent human life and think this is going to be good for women too. But now I was confronted 1.00

00:27:25.780 with this almost like illumination of, oh my gosh, this is a mortal sin. I don't understand God. I,

00:27:35.220 I believe you, God all mentally. I said to him, I believe you, this, this is a mortal sin. I've been

00:27:43.000 prescribing. I've, I've been doing this. I've been promoting it. I'll never do this again. Never,

00:27:47.520 never, never. You have my word, but please Lord don't, I don't understand. And I don't want to

00:27:53.680 understand. Don't explain it to me because if you explain it to me, I'm going to have to talk about

00:27:58.020 it. And I'm a doctor. I can't look like an idiot. And, um, I can't, I mean, I'm going to look crazy.

00:28:07.660 I can't be an MD and be against contraception. That's just makes no sense.

00:28:11.720 And yet just as surely as I knew I wasn't going to die. I knew that artificial, I now knew artificial

00:28:21.900 contraception is a mortal sin and I will never prescribe it again. I will never, I mean, my husband

00:28:26.460 and I had been using, um, barrier methods that, yeah, that's it. That's I'm done, Lord. I'm done.

00:28:32.460 And of course I did then attend the healing mass later in the week and make a good confession.

00:28:40.440 Okay. So that was your day for confession. How long after that was your surgery?

00:28:49.280 Um, so that was a Wednesday. So a couple of days later, so my surgery, my surgery was on a Friday and

00:28:54.200 a very fascinating, two fascinating things happened. Um, well, prior to surgery, I, my, one of my,

00:29:06.340 one of my best friends from residency, a little bit older than me, also a mom pediatrician. Um,

00:29:13.100 she, um, called me, um, she had gone through, she called me to just to hear my full story.

00:29:24.200 And in the middle of, of our conversation, she said, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,

00:29:28.260 Michelle's to stop. Wait. I don't understand how, where is your strength coming from?

00:29:36.060 And she said, I mean, now she had gone through a tumor on her heart the year before.

00:29:45.160 So she had been through a life, similar life threatening situation. And she said, I mean,

00:29:50.880 I know you, you know, as a mom, you you're strong for your kids, but this is something else. This

00:29:55.340 isn't, and I said, Angela, it's God, this is, this is God, Angela. I just, I believe I have the tumor.

00:30:01.840 I believe it's a glioblastoma, but all I can say is I know I'm going to live. I think I'm going to

00:30:06.640 suffer tremendously, but, um, and she was just, um, she, she couldn't shake it. Um, but there was

00:30:16.940 one, one point, maybe just two days before my brain surgery, I, um, I passed through, um, our,

00:30:25.340 our study in our home and my husband had, um, printed out the latest research, uh, latest research

00:30:32.420 papers on the treatment of glioblastoma multiforme. And the top paper was, uh, put out by the Mayo Clinic.

00:30:39.420 And I just read the abstract and I got as far as, you know, a few lines in it said, um, regardless

00:30:48.400 of what was done, whether gamma, gamma knife surgery, uh, chemo radiation, it didn't matter

00:30:56.620 what, what, what was done. Uh, these patients die within 18 months. And so I stopped reading.

00:31:04.880 I couldn't bring myself to read the entire paper. And I, uh, walked into our bedroom and I, I sat at

00:31:13.380 the end of our bed and I just looked up and, um, from where I was sitting, there was an image of,

00:31:19.100 uh, Christ, uh, divine mercy. Uh, and, um, I, I just looked at that image and mentally I said,

00:31:27.560 Lord, am I going to die?

00:31:30.580 Okay. Because I was having, you know, I've always been dedicated. I've always had

00:31:35.620 a deep faith in Jesus Christ and Catholicism, but I'm a scientist, a physician and the two are

00:31:46.460 conflicting. Right. And so in any case, I, I was, he wasn't supposed to answer me. I was not supposed

00:31:51.640 to get an answer, but I did clear as day, as though he were standing right in front of me.

00:32:01.940 I heard a very firm, calm, soothing male voice say, no, it's not your time. Pause. It's not about you.

00:32:16.580 It's so that the glory of God may be manifest. So I heard this as the, and it wasn't in my head.

00:32:27.380 It was as if someone was standing right there. And I also felt love. It wasn't just the voice.

00:32:35.580 I felt love in my heart at the same time. So I mentally said again, Lord, am I going to die?

00:32:46.580 Because I couldn't believe it. The same voice, same in every aspect. No, it is not your time.

00:32:58.500 Exact same pause. It's not about you. It's so that the glory of God may be manifest.

00:33:05.140 I still had to ask one more time mentally. And I got the exact same answer and the same

00:33:15.380 love, burning love in my heart.

00:33:18.980 And at this point, I just kind of sat back a little more and I thought to myself, well,

00:33:25.380 I'm not going to ask again because, you know, he might get a little bit fed up with me and change

00:33:29.060 his mind. And I don't want him to change his mind. But mentally I did pray. I did say, Lord,

00:33:36.900 I understand the first part and I really like it. I like that answer. But I don't understand the second

00:33:44.900 part because I'm not asking you why me for like the first time in my life. I'm not angry, resentful.

00:33:55.140 There's no self-pity here. I'm just, it's very unlike me. I'm just accepting it.

00:34:01.380 But as soon as that thought finished, my husband whipped into our bedroom, very upset. Why is this

00:34:09.700 happening to you? Why? You, you, you are a faithful Catholic. You pray all the time. You, you're always

00:34:15.300 doing pro-life work. You know, you're, you're so good with your patients and, and, and the on, you know,

00:34:21.780 on and on and on. And I realized that was why Jesus said the last part to me. He wasn't answering my

00:34:35.140 question. He was answering my husband's. So I looked at my husband and I said, well,

00:34:44.020 well, I don't know why it happened to me, but I'll tell you what Jesus said.

00:34:58.180 And I mean, to be perfectly truthful, you know, and so my husband was just like, oh, okay. Well,

00:35:04.020 neither one of us really, I mean, what does that really mean? It's, it's, it's not about you. I mean,

00:35:09.060 since then I I've come to believe what Catholics and, and really all Christians who know and

00:35:17.780 understand their faith, our, our lives are not about us. Our, our lives are not about us. Our,

00:35:22.180 our lives are about coming to know, love and serve God so that we will be happy with him forever

00:35:28.180 in eternal life. Right. That's, that's really what it is. I understand. Oh, it's not about you because

00:35:34.180 everything that happens to us, the active will of God and the passive will of God,

00:35:38.740 everything that happens to us is about helping us along the way to come to know, love and serve

00:35:46.180 God. So we will be happy with him forever in heaven. But the part it's not about you. It's,

00:35:51.620 it's so that the glory of God may be made manifest. And, um, you know, over time there, there is a

00:35:58.420 scripture passage similar to that. There is a man who is blind and he is before Christ. And, um,

00:36:07.780 um, the apostles are, or the disciples are asking Christ, why is this man blind? Is it because of

00:36:14.580 his own sin or the sin of his parent, uh, parents? And Christ says, no, no, this, this is so that the

00:36:21.860 glory of God may be made manifest and he heals the blind man. So at the healing mass, um, the, of the

00:36:31.940 mission, the priest processed with, uh, Jesus and the monstrance and allowed us to touch the, um,

00:36:38.020 the cloth. Two women from the parish who I was acquainted with later told me that they were in,

00:36:49.140 they were praying for me. Um, they were in the church at the time, nowhere near me, but as they

00:36:56.080 were praying heads down, they suddenly, each of them felt just a jolt, jolted up. And when they opened

00:37:03.940 their eyes at that moment, that's when I touched, they saw me touching, uh, our Lord's, what would be

00:37:11.100 his cloak, the equivalent. Um, the following day, which was a Thursday, my mother-in-law asked,

00:37:22.400 uh, one of her good friends, the husband of one of her good friends, if he would pray for me at a, um,

00:37:31.680 a shrine to our lady of Lords in Connecticut, because they, they lived close, they lived close

00:37:38.060 by. And she asked him if he would do that, uh, for me, there had been a horrible, uh, quite a large

00:37:45.360 snow storm. Um, we said, that's fine. He, he drove to the, um, to the shrine and he, he drove as far as

00:37:55.060 he could to the outdoor grotto. And he got out and he trudged through the snow that was a bit over his

00:38:00.780 knees. And, and, um, he later recounted the story to my mother-in-law. He was about to kneel in the

00:38:10.080 snow when suddenly he heard what he said to my mother-in-law, the voice of angels. I just, I heard

00:38:17.540 an angel, an angel told me, she said, it's okay. It's okay. It's going to be okay. Go back and tell

00:38:26.060 them it's going to be okay. Now, now this man was a chemical engineer and he was Catholic, but, um, 0.86

00:38:35.980 he, he eventually spoke to me and said, you got to believe me. Things like this don't happen to me.

00:38:41.520 Things, things like this don't happen to me. Um, that, I mean, he was rattled. Um,

00:38:47.640 but, um, and then the, the surgery was Friday and, um, we, we got, uh, got into the hospital

00:38:57.580 and, um, I forget why I was supposed to be first thing in the morning. And for some reason there

00:39:03.600 was, there was a delay. Um, so I, I, I asked, I said, well, you know, wheel me down to the hospital

00:39:12.900 chapel, more time to pray, no problem. Um, and, uh, eventually they got me in and I, I remember,

00:39:24.060 um, you know, they allowed my husband to be with me to be prepped for anesthesia. And, uh,

00:39:29.940 the anesthesiologist was just looking at me and saying, um, you know, it's okay if you're afraid.

00:39:35.940 I said, no, I'm, I'm not worried. I said, well, you'd be very normal if you were worried.

00:39:43.020 And I just laughed and I said, well, look, I may be a lot of things, but I'm not normal. Just ask my

00:39:47.460 husband. I, I, I just had full confidence. I said, no, I, I, you know, I, I know what this is,

00:39:53.620 but all I can tell you is I'm, I, I will be okay. And, um, so the other interesting thing is that

00:40:03.900 the, the chief resident who was assisting my neurosurgeon went to med school with me. We had

00:40:10.500 been in the, in the same class and I, I, it would have been years since we had seen each other, but

00:40:14.320 nevertheless, um, the surgery got started. And the first thing they did was, um, to take a sample

00:40:21.080 of the tumor and send it down to pathology. So they knew exactly, they would know for certain exactly

00:40:26.040 what they were dealing with. And what happened next shocked everyone. The tumor came back. Now I

00:40:35.400 was 32 years old and it was a classic presentation for an adult glioblastoma. The tumor came back from

00:40:43.360 pathology as a pediatric brain tumor, a juvenile hyalocytic astrocytoma, which is curable by surgery

00:40:53.320 alone. Wow. And, and, and pediatric means children's no. Right. So normally, so we later

00:41:03.780 looked up like the oldest case in the literature, you know, typically, so juvenile hyalocytic astrocytomas

00:41:11.000 typically present in children. They are located in the back of the brain. They are extremely slow,

00:41:17.600 slow, slow growing. They typically do not give you these thunderclap headaches in the middle of the

00:41:24.180 night. They do not bleed yet. My brain tumor, the pathologist was able to confirm blood twice.

00:41:32.920 Um, so it was, um, very, apparently cheers went up in the entire OR and then, uh, they forgot to notify

00:41:42.380 my, my, so my parents and husband are waiting in the waiting room. They, um, because they now knew

00:41:48.140 they were dealing with a benign tumor, they took an extra two hours in the surgery to make sure they

00:41:55.260 really got it all. So my poor, my family's in there thinking, oh my gosh, you must be dying. But in any

00:42:01.540 case, um, uh, and, and just rather amusing. Um, so I, I, I remember waking up coming out of anesthesia

00:42:12.720 and the nurse saying, um, you're going to be okay. It, it was, um, you're going to, you're going to be

00:42:19.560 okay. It was a juvenile hyalocytic astrocytoma. And, you know, he kind of dozed off again. And then I

00:42:25.680 woke up again in the neuro ICU and, um, and the, the resident, the neurosurgical resident confirmed

00:42:34.160 the same thing. Yeah. Yeah. Totally cured by, by surgery. And, um, and he said, so what do you want

00:42:42.480 for pain meds? I said, wait a minute. I'm really the patient. Remember it's like, yeah, well, you know,

00:42:50.880 but, um, I said, just, just write the orders like you normally would. And, um, and, and later

00:43:00.660 I had a six month old whom I was breastfeeding. So I, I, I was the first patient that the neuro ICU

00:43:10.340 had ever seen come in with her own breast pump. And relatively soon after surgery, I was actually able

00:43:17.060 to, um, pump my breast. So the, the neuro, the neurosurgical nurses were, they didn't know what

00:43:25.300 to do with me. They're just, Oh, you're doing this already. Do you, do you need any pain meds? Is,

00:43:31.520 is, is there any way I could help you? I said, Oh, I don't know. I said, maybe an extra strength

00:43:39.020 Tylenol or two wouldn't hurt. I don't remember. It was less than a full day in the neuro ICU.

00:43:48.520 I know it was less than a full day and she just walked to the doorway and then she came back and

00:43:54.240 she said, I don't think you need to be here. I think we can get you out to the medical floor

00:44:01.060 sooner than normal. But, um, amazing. So, so, uh, amazing. So you had three, three days. Yeah.

00:44:13.240 Three, three days post-op. I was discharged home to my, to my parents' house. So that way for three

00:44:20.180 weeks post-op. So that way my, my in-laws and my husband took care of our kids and I could really

00:44:27.300 fully recover. So I, I did have a more normal recovery then there was, there was definitely

00:44:34.740 pain and narcotics. Um, but, uh, amazing. Yeah. It, it is, um, it's so good to hear miracle stories

00:44:45.880 because especially faced with who we are today, um, with the amount of almost, um, it really does seem

00:44:55.540 demonic. Um, there has to be a God still and, and just hearing about the glory of his power that he

00:45:04.440 can assert and, um, and how much he loves you. Uh, and, and therefore all of us as well is I think

00:45:10.440 really, really encouraging. Um, you were still at this point though, where, uh, you were, you've now

00:45:20.040 received a miracle, multiple miracles, but one of those miracles also was your, your being informed

00:45:27.080 or illuminated, as you said, about the truth about, uh, about contraception. Where, where did you go

00:45:33.340 from there? So I'm, I'm at my parents' house, right. And, and, uh, getting closer to that. Oh, I'm going to

00:45:39.840 go home. And then it hit me. Wait a minute. I'm going to live to have sex with my husband again.

00:45:45.640 Um, God, did you give my husband a conversion too? 0.99

00:45:55.260 Oh boy. So, um, yeah, that was an interesting conversation to have with my husband, but here

00:46:01.960 is what was interesting when I got back home, just, I mean, my husband was having nothing up

00:46:10.820 with it. What are you talking? What? No way. No way. We are not going to, no, we, we really have to

00:46:17.760 learn to about natural family planning because you don't understand, hon, just the thought of

00:46:26.780 any contraception. And this was, I, I don't think it, it wasn't until I realized, oh my gosh. Yeah.

00:46:36.140 I had the conversion, but Lord, I don't know if I'm going to be strong enough to, to help my husband

00:46:42.280 see the, like, just the thought of whether it was condoms, diaphragm, anything. I felt like I was

00:46:50.120 going to throw up. Even the thought of prescribing, like there was, and I see it as a grace. It was this

00:46:58.300 internal, it was my moral conscience. It just physically made me ill because I knew it offended

00:47:07.480 God. And, um, and my husband wasn't willing to make me physically ill. And so that's when he

00:47:16.220 relented and said, fine. Okay. You know, ask father Ray who's teaching it at, you know, and,

00:47:24.100 and we'll sign up. And, um, um, he's sort of begrudgingly, but so, so the first step was

00:47:30.980 walking the walk in our own marriage. And, um, uh, because I needed to, um, I needed to have

00:47:42.800 prophylaxis to, and sort of prove that I would not develop seizures afterwards. There was a six month

00:47:49.980 period of time when I could not drive or work. Um, you know, and I, I passed, I passed, I didn't,

00:47:58.880 I, I eventually, uh, ruled out for, you know, I didn't have any seizures and I was able to come off

00:48:05.540 the, uh, seizure med and, and return to driving and, and to work. Um, and so now, fortunately, um,

00:48:14.120 my employer at that time, uh, understood that this was a moral conscience issue for me. And I said,

00:48:22.120 I am, um, I will still, um, I wasn't willing to prescribe, uh, contraception to teens, um, at all,

00:48:32.400 even before I tried not to, but it wasn't a hundred percent, but, um, so, and I always had a

00:48:43.820 conversation with, um, from that point forward with any, uh, patients and moms together, um, that,

00:48:51.740 you know what, this is for me, this is about the healthiest option for you. You know, fertility is 0.86

00:48:57.440 not a disease. And, um, eventually I was moved to look to the science behind hormone-based

00:49:07.600 contraception and, and it's, it's actually, um, very dangerous. Um, you know, the world health

00:49:14.360 organization recognizes estrogen as a cancer causing agent equivalent to cigarette smoking. So

00:49:20.920 in any case, so through, um, education and accommodation, um, that, uh, work went okay,

00:49:34.220 but it's, it's definitely more difficult now. There's, um, much less willingness to, um,

00:49:44.740 to accommodate religious convictions. Um, on the other hand, the science is getting stronger. Um,

00:49:56.780 and we can talk about that another time. So, um,

00:50:00.500 Well, what brought you to, because I mean, my first exposure to Dr. Michelle Crotella was actually

00:50:08.260 through, uh, a video where you were explaining about, uh, transgenderism and it was, um,

00:50:16.120 probably, I have to say it was the most effective video on, uh, the whole trans issue that I had ever

00:50:23.840 seen. And I look at a lot of these things. Um, and I thought, wow, a doctor willing to say it like it

00:50:32.120 is. How, how did you go from like, all right, we'll practice it on our own. I want to be, um,

00:50:42.000 just sort of quiet about this and in the background to probably one of the most foremost spokesmen in the

00:50:48.060 world. Right, right. Well, um, I, uh, through a series of God incidents ended up going on a silent

00:50:58.760 retreat at a shrine to St. Therese, um, here in Rhode Island. Um, and during that retreat, I reaffirmed,

00:51:08.300 I told, I told God, um, you know, tell God your plans and he laughs. Well, boy, did he get me good

00:51:15.060 this day? I again, reaffirmed, I am going to be your soldier, your pro-life soldier, Lord. That is

00:51:20.960 it. But, um, and I'll write in the newspapers because I'm a good writer, but you know what?

00:51:25.920 No radio, no TV. Um, oh, and oh my goodness, this embryonic stem cells stuff, stuff that's coming.

00:51:33.820 I'm not smart enough to understand any of that. And, and oh, LGB at that point in 2001,

00:51:40.260 T wasn't really even in the picture yet. Is it LGB? I said, you know what, Lord, I understand.

00:51:47.260 I believe intuitively what the church teaches, but I just don't have time to look at the science

00:51:52.480 and yeah, I don't want to touch that with a 10 foot pole. And this is what I, that was my prayer

00:51:56.840 the entire, you know, day long retreat. I kid you not. I walk back into my house. My parents were

00:52:02.640 babysitting our, our two sons at the time. The moment I walk into my house and this is my,

00:52:09.840 my electrical engineer, Italian dad. He doesn't say hi. He says, Hey, some woman,

00:52:16.540 Alberta de Muccio called. She says, you are her woman that you need to come onto her show

00:52:23.760 and do two radio programs and a television spot about embryonic stem cell research.

00:52:29.400 Now I just literally, literally walking in the door. That's what I'm greeted with. And, um, I had

00:52:43.100 never heard of this woman before in my life. It was, um, uh, a Catholic, um, Catholic, uh, radio and

00:52:51.160 television, uh, program. She was the producer. I call her number suffice it to say, there was

00:52:58.620 no saying no to this woman. I mean, I, I offered her three other doctor names. Oh no, no, no, no.

00:53:05.800 Well, for the first two, the first two won't do because they're men. I, I want a younger woman 1.00

00:53:10.460 physician on, you know, and no. So those first, I said, well, my friend, Sheila. Oh no, no, no, no.

00:53:15.760 She's, she's our expert on a, on healing, uh, you know, post-abortion healing. We want a fresh new

00:53:21.940 face. And I said, well, ma'am, I'm really, you know, very, very busy. I'm a, I'm a young mother

00:53:29.500 and doctor, this issue isn't going away. You tell me when you're going to be ready. I said, well, how

00:53:36.560 about, how about two months? Fine. Done. So, so God will get his way, but, but God, God was,

00:53:47.280 he was a little more gentle with me on the LGB. That was still 2001. And, and so in 2004,

00:53:55.860 um, you know, I, I had still, uh, you know, kept my resolution. I'm not looking at the science of this

00:54:02.160 other issue. It doesn't concern me. We just got to be nice to everybody. And, uh, in 2004, I walked

00:54:08.720 into, um, with my husband, uh, a parish, uh, prayer meeting, just an adult prayer meeting that we

00:54:15.060 sometimes made. And, um, as soon as I walked in our, our pastor who led the meeting, um, stood up,

00:54:23.220 he had the local paper in his hand and he said, Hey, I know there's a doctor right here. Who's going

00:54:30.680 to be wanting to write a letter to the editor after she reads today's edition. Apparently there was,

00:54:39.100 uh, a letter to the editor criticizing, um, our pastor who was, is still a very good friend of

00:54:47.900 mine. Um, he taught the truth about homosexuality and, um, there was a rather lengthy, lengthy letter 0.92

00:54:57.780 accusing him of being anti-science and a bigot and this, that, and the other thing. And I just

00:55:05.240 interiorly looked up at God and said, you win again, because that is the only person, you know,

00:55:14.940 that, that, that is the only scenario that would push me to actually, okay, fine. I'll actually pull

00:55:22.120 studies. I'll look at the science and, and then lo and behold, I was stunned. I was absolutely astounded

00:55:32.500 by the fact that twin studies way back when I had started out in med school, even then the twin

00:55:45.200 studies proved that genetics does not determine sexual attraction way back then, even those poorly

00:55:57.120 designed twin studies. I mean, now what we have, we have a whole full genome wide scan that came out

00:56:02.680 in 2019 and proves not only is there no such thing as an LGB, uh, gene or set of genes, but genetically

00:56:12.060 speaking, those with opposite sex attractions and same sex attractions are genetically indistinguishable.

00:56:20.680 So, um, so that was the beginning of, uh, and, and through several God incidents, uh, I ended up

00:56:30.100 being, um, elected onto the board of directors for the national association of research and therapy for

00:56:38.080 homosexuality, um, in, uh, I guess, 2005 to 2010. And, uh, that led to me, uh, forging relationships with

00:56:53.860 psychologists, psychiatrists and, uh, counselors who helped people leave the, um, well, help people

00:57:05.000 identify the underlying traumas that trigger the same sex attractions. And, and once you heal those

00:57:13.440 traumas, you're set free. And, and most certainly faith alone can, can set us free, but I, and, and I

00:57:26.100 would venture to say the vast majority of those who, um, NARTH has now, um, they eventually expanded.

00:57:33.220 They're now called the Alliance for therapeutic choice. Um, we really promote the combination,

00:57:40.720 um, of faith and, um, counseling, you know, self-exploration with the two together, I believe

00:57:50.440 give people the strongest likelihood of healing. And that's what this is about. We all

00:57:57.440 psychological illness, emotional illness, physical illness, these are all a part of the human

00:58:06.280 condition. None of us is exempt from it, you know, and, um, and some people, particular traumas

00:58:14.160 will trigger same sex attraction in other people, depending on their temperament. Those same traumas 0.98

00:58:22.180 may not trigger same sex attraction might trigger just straight up severe depression, anxiety. Um,

00:58:30.340 yeah. I'm, I'm definitely going to have you back on to talk specifically about all of those things.

00:58:37.140 What's amazing to me about your story is how the Lord sort of worked in your life very evidently,

00:58:44.020 much more so than, than, than most, but, um, you, you grew with him.

00:58:49.860 That's because I'm dense and I'm stubborn. See, I'm, I'm very, I'm very stubborn. He really had to

00:58:55.780 pick up two by fours and whack me over the head. 0.99

00:58:59.600 It's, it's an amazing thing. It's, it, it's amazing. Like it's a progression in his love and,

00:59:05.160 and faith in him and, and trust in him. Um, and, um, he's really, I mean, just watching what

00:59:13.800 you've said publicly was stunning, but to hear the, the lead up, uh, is, is truly incredible. I

00:59:20.780 think it's, um, it really speaks to openness to God working in your life and sort of you giving

00:59:27.500 him permission, maybe begrudgingly so, but. Oh, absolutely. I mean, that's, that's why when

00:59:33.120 people, people, you know, she's a Christian fundamentalist or, you know, she's just a 0.68

00:59:37.620 Catholic. I'm like, no, really. I just, my prayer life with God, I'm, I'm very much traditionalist

00:59:46.080 now in, in my views, but I mean, from the time I was a child, I mean, I have conversations

00:59:53.700 with God, like, or I have that would not be considered very respectful. I mean, like, you

01:00:00.840 know what, Lord, you know, what's in my mind and my heart. Why should I hold back? I would

01:00:04.220 just, but God takes what we give him. He works with it. Absolutely. So. Yeah. Wow. Any, any

01:00:14.340 parting thoughts as, uh, as we close off this session?

01:00:22.220 Parting thoughts, you know, faith and faith and reason go together. Um, I, I think

01:00:34.200 that we Catholics, all Christians, but especially Catholics need to, um, and especially those of

01:00:41.700 us in medicine or other scientific fields need to proclaim to the world that science, modern

01:00:50.480 science depends upon and came into being because of the Christian worldview because of Christianity.

01:01:01.740 It is only with a, with a culture that embraces the fact of an intelligent, loving and personal

01:01:11.880 God, right? A God of order only in that worldview. Can you actually come up with the idea of the

01:01:20.800 scientific method? If the, you need to believe that the world is intelligible, that the world

01:01:28.320 is ordered before you can believe that I can conduct experiments to find the truth. Um, Tom Woods

01:01:39.060 is, uh, has, I think he, he is the author of, um, how the Catholic church built Western civilization. And

01:01:47.260 in the first couple chapters or first several does an excellent job and, uh, pointing out

01:01:53.280 why modern science blossomed when it did what, why it was born when it did. And then it's, it

01:02:00.320 intricately connected to Catholicism, the Catholic church. Um, I think that is a, you know, and this,

01:02:09.200 this understanding that we can learn, we can understand and come to believe,

01:02:15.000 believe, but sometimes you must first believe in order to understand. And, and that's what I have

01:02:25.120 learned in my life, you know, um, before modern science, before modern science could be born,

01:02:33.240 there needed to be the belief that we exist in an ordered and intelligible world.

01:02:42.240 Belief can lead to understanding. Amen. Amen. Dr. Michelle Gritella, thank you so much for being

01:02:50.400 with us on this episode of the John Henry Weston show. May God bless you. Thank you for having me.

01:02:56.840 And God bless all of you. We'll see you next time.

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The John-Henry Westen Show - April 30, 2021

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