The John-Henry Westen Show - July 17, 2023


Freemasonry, The Black Hand, And ‘War With The Antichrist’ ｜ ENCORE Part 1


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46 minutes

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177.93854

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8,314

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499

Misogynist Sentences

5

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26


Summary

In this episode of The John Henry Weston Show, host J.H.W. takes a deep dive into the Catholic Church and its relationship with Freemasonry. Author and historian Joshua Charles takes us deep into the world of Freemasonry and reveals the dark history of the secret society.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 When you look at a lot of Masonic sources, they really do think of themselves,
00:00:03.720 they say the difference between a beast and a man is the same as a man and a Mason.
00:00:08.220 But that's why I think the Catholic Church is their number one target.
00:00:11.580 Yeah, they want to go after Christians in general,
00:00:13.720 but they're very, very clear in many of their writings
00:00:16.400 that the big kahuna is the Catholic Church.
00:00:25.360 Do you know that right before he became Pope,
00:00:28.760 Joseph Ratzinger was asked a question.
00:00:30.900 He was asked, who is the greatest of all enemies threatening the Catholic Church?
00:00:35.680 And after a pause, he responded, Freemasonry.
00:00:42.000 Really? I think most people think Freemasonry.
00:00:44.880 Isn't that like people with tinfoil hats believe in that stuff, none of us?
00:00:48.260 Well, there's a new book out by TAN Publishers,
00:00:51.720 and it takes a deep dive into Freemasonry in a very interesting way.
00:00:56.060 Anyway, I'm going to introduce you to the author.
00:00:58.640 His name is Joshua Charles.
00:01:00.180 He is a number one New York Times bestselling author.
00:01:04.520 He is a historian, a classical pianist,
00:01:06.380 and a former White House speechwriter for the Republicans.
00:01:10.780 He has degrees in music, government, and law.
00:01:13.280 He came into the Catholic Church from Protestantism in 2019.
00:01:17.680 And you know, this is going to be super fascinating.
00:01:21.640 We're going to divide this up into two parts,
00:01:24.680 because it's a really deep dive, and it is going to be worth it.
00:01:29.400 You'll see on this episode of The John Henry Weston Show.
00:01:32.660 Stay tuned.
00:01:35.140 Take a look at this.
00:01:36.120 This is Cardinal Burke talking in 2017
00:01:38.840 about demonic forces entering the Church at that time in 2017.
00:01:43.740 Hard to believe that's so long ago.
00:01:45.320 This was given at Rome Life Forum,
00:01:46.960 a conference that LifeCite has been running since 2014, actually.
00:01:51.560 Do you know that we're running another one this year,
00:01:54.440 October 31st and November 1st?
00:01:56.520 That is right at the end of this horrific synod on synodality.
00:02:02.080 October 31st, November 1st, 2023.
00:02:04.900 Come join us in Rome.
00:02:06.240 Go to RomeLifeForum.com for more information.
00:02:10.780 Watch Cardinal Burke give this snippet
00:02:12.960 on demonic forces entering into the Vatican
00:02:15.460 from his talk at Rome Life Forum in 2017.
00:02:20.680 It seems clear from the most respected studies
00:02:23.540 of the apparitions of Our Lady of Fatima
00:02:25.760 that it has to do with the diabolical forces
00:02:29.440 unleashed upon the world in our time
00:02:32.180 and entering into the very life of the Church.
00:02:35.320 For the recovery of peace will be a gift from heaven.
00:02:39.860 But it is not properly speaking
00:02:41.960 the triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary.
00:02:45.000 Her victory is of another order,
00:02:47.200 supernatural and then temporal by addition.
00:02:51.180 It will first be the victory of the faith,
00:02:55.800 which will put an end to the time of apostasy
00:02:59.140 and the great shortcomings of the Church's pastors.
00:03:04.540 Joshua Charles, welcome to the program.
00:03:06.740 Thank you, John Henry.
00:03:07.620 It's an honor to be with you.
00:03:08.800 You've played a huge role in my conversion
00:03:10.640 and I love LifeSite.
00:03:11.940 So thank you.
00:03:13.100 Oh, praise God.
00:03:14.040 Let's begin as we always do with the sign of the cross.
00:03:16.480 In the name of the Father and of the Son
00:03:18.700 and of the Holy Ghost.
00:03:20.720 Amen.
00:03:21.360 Amen.
00:03:22.160 So this is very interesting.
00:03:23.740 You're republishing a book,
00:03:25.380 first published in 1885.
00:03:27.840 Why do that?
00:03:28.680 Well, it's funny.
00:03:29.540 I read it during the lockdowns in 2020.
00:03:32.480 You know, that uneventful period of life for all of us.
00:03:35.060 And it was remarkable in its prophetic prescience,
00:03:39.480 I guess you could say.
00:03:41.400 Essentially, in 1884,
00:03:43.420 Pope Leo XIII had written Humanum Genus,
00:03:45.500 which was his encyclical against Freemasonry,
00:03:47.680 for those who maybe don't know.
00:03:49.260 And at the end of that,
00:03:50.840 he called on Catholic clergy, Catholic claimant,
00:03:53.260 to tear off the mask of Freemasonry.
00:03:56.040 And so a father, well, Monsignor Dillon, George Dillon,
00:03:59.260 he was an Irish priest who was a missionary
00:04:00.960 for many years in Australia.
00:04:03.000 He saw it as his duty to comply with what the Pope said
00:04:06.480 and to tear off the mask of Freemasonry.
00:04:08.840 So while he was in Edinburgh,
00:04:10.720 he was going on,
00:04:11.640 I think he was just going on a lecture circuit in the UK,
00:04:14.020 but he was in Edinburgh at the time.
00:04:15.720 And he delivered a number of lectures on Freemasonry
00:04:18.280 to do just that.
00:04:19.460 And he reduced it to a book.
00:04:20.860 And it was published the following year.
00:04:23.340 So that book I read in 2020.
00:04:26.020 And despite it being published 140 years ago, almost,
00:04:30.700 I was stunned by how relevant it was,
00:04:33.420 not only to the last, you know, previous 140 years,
00:04:36.400 but frankly, to what we've potentially been going through
00:04:39.580 since 2020.
00:04:41.860 Unpack that for us.
00:04:42.800 So Freemasonry, a lot of people regard it as,
00:04:46.940 you know, that's like a conspiracy theory,
00:04:49.320 that whole thing.
00:04:51.620 Unpack this for us.
00:04:53.180 Is it a conspiracy theory?
00:04:54.220 Even if it wasn't back,
00:04:56.020 then when it was, you know, in its heyday,
00:04:58.820 it surely seems it doesn't exist now, doesn't it?
00:05:01.940 I would say it's been so wildly successful
00:05:06.620 that most people don't even realize it anymore.
00:05:09.600 I would say that most of the concepts
00:05:11.360 that most modern people believe
00:05:13.440 are Freemasonic in origin and spirit.
00:05:18.060 We could go into a lot of different aspects of that.
00:05:20.900 There's political aspects, theological aspects.
00:05:23.040 But politically, I mean,
00:05:25.580 we outlined in the description of the book
00:05:28.560 kind of the highlights of everything it covers.
00:05:32.060 So among the thing it covers is here was the agenda.
00:05:34.680 They wanted to destroy the temporal
00:05:36.940 and then the spiritual power of the papacy.
00:05:40.480 They wanted easy divorce laws across the world.
00:05:44.020 They wanted marriage to be as easy to break,
00:05:46.380 or if not easier, than a business contract.
00:05:48.600 So think no-fault divorce and whatnot.
00:05:51.320 They wanted completely secularized education.
00:05:54.920 They didn't want the church
00:05:55.760 or any Christian influence in it whatsoever.
00:05:57.920 They wanted complete and total separation
00:06:00.920 of church and state.
00:06:02.360 They were animated by a socialistic,
00:06:04.360 communistic sort of agenda.
00:06:06.420 I could actually go into a little bit more detail
00:06:08.480 on this at a later point,
00:06:10.020 but highly materialistic.
00:06:11.920 And ultimately, it was leading toward a form
00:06:15.280 of sort of pantheistic nature worship.
00:06:18.720 And I'm sure many in your audience would think,
00:06:21.400 like myself, that that sounds quite familiar.
00:06:25.160 And the reason it's heading toward
00:06:27.680 a sort of pantheistic nature worship,
00:06:29.960 and we can get more into detail if you want,
00:06:31.700 but essentially, the fundamental difference
00:06:34.260 I've concluded between the Catholic faith
00:06:36.700 and Freemasonry,
00:06:38.380 and really, Freemasonry is a term.
00:06:40.940 Somebody doesn't have to be a card-carrying Freemason
00:06:43.220 to be a Freemason,
00:06:44.500 in the sense that Leo XIII
00:06:45.800 and Monsignor Dillon are talking about,
00:06:47.240 and they both make this clear.
00:06:48.960 Freemasonry is just kind of their catch-all term
00:06:50.900 for occultic sort of associations
00:06:53.440 that are engaged in these sorts of things,
00:06:55.440 these plots to overturn Christian civilization.
00:06:58.160 But the essential difference is,
00:07:00.040 we as Catholics believe
00:07:01.160 that we can't save ourselves.
00:07:03.100 We must be given the Holy Spirit
00:07:04.500 in baptism and the sacraments if we fall,
00:07:07.240 and that we're given this by God's grace,
00:07:10.580 and that when we're given it,
00:07:11.740 our souls become a temple for His presence.
00:07:14.600 So we believe that the soul,
00:07:16.880 our soul, must have the divine come and inhabit it.
00:07:20.160 The root of all occultism is the opposite.
00:07:22.740 It's that the divinity already resides
00:07:24.760 in human nature,
00:07:26.720 waiting to be, you know, latent, so to speak,
00:07:29.360 waiting to be unlocked by their gnosis,
00:07:32.040 their knowledge, their particular knowledge,
00:07:33.760 their rituals, their signs, their symbols,
00:07:35.440 and that in this is salvation
00:07:38.100 rather than a participation
00:07:39.720 in the divine nature itself.
00:07:41.140 They believe it's already there.
00:07:42.500 And so when we're heading toward pantheism,
00:07:44.220 it's sort of the sense that
00:07:45.680 the divine is intrinsic to nature itself
00:07:48.860 and you don't need grace.
00:07:49.940 That's why I coined a term in there.
00:07:51.880 I come from Protestantism,
00:07:53.620 and so I wanted to use a sola something
00:07:55.180 because, you know,
00:07:55.700 a lot of the Protestant heresies
00:07:56.880 were sola scriptura, sola fide, whatever.
00:07:59.080 So I describe this as sola natura, nature alone,
00:08:03.360 and I compare it to Satan's fall.
00:08:05.980 This is what St. Thomas Aquinas said,
00:08:07.620 Satan, the reason why Satan fell,
00:08:10.000 wasn't that he thought he could become God.
00:08:12.080 Satan's too intelligent to know that,
00:08:14.440 to believe that.
00:08:15.600 It was because he wanted to partake
00:08:17.180 of the beatific vision without grace.
00:08:19.260 He wanted to do it by virtue of his nature alone.
00:08:22.280 And that's fundamentally what all occultism
00:08:24.020 and all Freemasonry is about.
00:08:25.820 Poplio XIII calls it naturalism,
00:08:27.520 but it's this idea that nature itself
00:08:30.080 is sufficient to attain its final end,
00:08:32.220 which we would call the beatific vision.
00:08:34.560 And of course, which we as Catholics say
00:08:36.160 is completely and totally irreconcilable
00:08:38.460 with the faith.
00:08:39.400 You've sort of mentioned all the ills
00:08:41.280 that we're currently dealing with in society.
00:08:45.140 And we'll skip the first one
00:08:47.100 that was directly about the papacy,
00:08:48.720 but you mentioned there divorce, sex ed,
00:08:51.800 separation of church and state,
00:08:53.380 communist agenda.
00:08:54.280 How in 1885, and why is that the agenda?
00:08:59.580 Okay, so they want to go to nature worship,
00:09:01.580 but why these things?
00:09:03.240 I think ultimately because it lowers
00:09:05.020 the horizon of human destiny.
00:09:08.380 It lowers it from a divine end,
00:09:11.020 one that can only be attained
00:09:12.300 by the help of the divinity,
00:09:14.400 the one that can be attained by ourselves.
00:09:16.260 You shall be as gods.
00:09:17.540 This all goes back to the garden.
00:09:18.840 And I mean, I quote from a number of Masonic sources,
00:09:22.900 direct Masonic sources.
00:09:24.140 This is not, I encourage Catholics,
00:09:25.720 if you're looking for quotes and stuff,
00:09:27.160 don't rely on brainy quote and things like that.
00:09:29.300 Like find the actual books.
00:09:30.400 Archive.org is a great website,
00:09:31.900 but from actual Masonic books
00:09:34.100 where they explicitly claim
00:09:36.300 that they are the restoration
00:09:38.360 of the pagan mystery system
00:09:41.420 that preceded the incarnation of our Lord.
00:09:43.940 And we know from Paul,
00:09:45.320 who I believe is quoting the Psalms,
00:09:46.680 that the gods of the nations are demons.
00:09:50.020 So before the incarnation of our Lord,
00:09:51.580 there was literally an active alliance
00:09:53.660 between humans and the demonic.
00:09:56.900 And this was holding the world
00:09:58.420 in thralldom to ignorance and superstition.
00:10:01.640 And of course the Jews were monotheistic,
00:10:03.260 but even they kept falling back
00:10:04.700 into various forms of idolatry and paganism.
00:10:07.920 And so, and then our Lord comes
00:10:09.180 and what does he do?
00:10:10.360 He raises the horizon of human destiny.
00:10:12.840 He brings all the insights of Plato and Aristotle
00:10:15.800 and all the wonderful visions
00:10:18.420 of the prophets of Israel.
00:10:20.240 He shows that they're actually
00:10:21.200 kind of one and the same thing.
00:10:22.480 And he raises, it says,
00:10:23.500 no, the ultimate promised land is heaven.
00:10:25.700 But to bridge that gap
00:10:27.860 between the infinite creator
00:10:29.040 and the finite creature,
00:10:30.580 you need grace.
00:10:31.320 You need, your soul needs to become a temple.
00:10:33.240 And so the Christian mysteries
00:10:34.520 end up supplanting and destroying,
00:10:37.260 really defeating the pagan mysteries.
00:10:40.500 Well, Freemasonry sees itself
00:10:42.100 as a restoration of these pagan mysteries.
00:10:44.940 That's what many of them say.
00:10:46.460 Now, another point that Leo XIII
00:10:49.080 and Monsignor Dillon make frequently
00:10:50.600 is that not every person who's a Freemason,
00:10:52.740 especially the lower levels,
00:10:54.380 it's not like they know about all this.
00:10:56.220 And many of them have been suckered, frankly.
00:10:58.880 That's essentially what they say.
00:11:00.580 And so the reason why they want
00:11:02.840 to restore these pagan mysteries
00:11:04.160 is because it's the pre-Christian system
00:11:06.560 in which man was finding salvation
00:11:09.000 in some faux attempt to be like God,
00:11:12.140 which is what Satan had tempted us into
00:11:14.780 in the first place.
00:11:16.040 That we do see.
00:11:17.120 I mean, that is rife today
00:11:19.060 with different indigenous movements
00:11:21.720 and the back to the earth
00:11:23.260 and the mother God that we hear about
00:11:25.540 from a lot of our own spiritual leaders.
00:11:28.720 Unbelievable.
00:11:29.540 The whole Pachamama scandal
00:11:30.920 and all these things.
00:11:32.880 But they are very much going back
00:11:35.420 to a pagan worship.
00:11:36.180 I remember I was here in Canada
00:11:38.680 when Pope Francis came to Canada
00:11:40.020 and they had the witch doctor,
00:11:42.440 shaman guy, you know,
00:11:43.880 blowing a bone whistle
00:11:45.820 to the four directions
00:11:46.760 while, you know,
00:11:47.980 the Catholic clergy there
00:11:50.160 had their hands on their chest,
00:11:51.300 eyes closed,
00:11:51.960 but literally saying,
00:11:54.000 you know,
00:11:54.640 I want to ask the grandmother
00:11:56.780 of the West or something like that,
00:11:58.220 the Western direction,
00:11:58.960 to open the circle of spirits
00:12:00.300 to come and join us here.
00:12:01.380 That sounds to me
00:12:02.540 exactly like what you're talking about,
00:12:04.640 like a kind of pagan former thing
00:12:08.220 that existed before,
00:12:09.200 but it's trying to be brought back in,
00:12:10.700 not only to secular culture
00:12:12.300 where it's coming on strong there too,
00:12:15.580 but also even into the church.
00:12:17.660 I'm not going to cite the sources I've read.
00:12:20.340 You know,
00:12:20.500 my spiritual director always knows about it
00:12:22.200 and there have definitely been some sources
00:12:23.660 where we're like,
00:12:24.200 nah, let's not go there.
00:12:25.800 These things,
00:12:26.540 we need to be very careful
00:12:27.260 about these things.
00:12:28.020 But I essentially became convinced
00:12:30.620 through my study of this topic,
00:12:32.380 Masonic sources themselves,
00:12:34.700 that the essence of what they were doing
00:12:37.160 was,
00:12:38.620 and it's like I said before,
00:12:39.820 a reestablishing,
00:12:40.960 I guess you could say,
00:12:41.760 of an active alliance
00:12:43.060 between human beings
00:12:44.740 and the demonic.
00:12:46.100 That's what they're all about.
00:12:48.680 And I,
00:12:49.080 the another way I phrase it in the book
00:12:50.340 is,
00:12:50.700 you know,
00:12:51.200 the difference between the Catholic faith
00:12:52.720 and occultism
00:12:53.880 is we believe our souls
00:12:54.900 need to become a temple
00:12:55.820 for the divine
00:12:56.520 and we can expel the divine
00:12:58.280 if we purposely choose to sin.
00:13:00.280 They believe the divine
00:13:01.280 is already within us.
00:13:02.060 Another way that I think
00:13:03.540 is helpful to think about it
00:13:04.540 is we believe
00:13:05.440 we can only be saved
00:13:06.720 by being incorporated
00:13:08.000 into the second atom.
00:13:09.780 They believe you can be saved
00:13:11.260 by remaining in the first atom,
00:13:13.340 nature bereft of grace.
00:13:15.320 And so,
00:13:16.180 that's why
00:13:17.180 there is a sort of
00:13:18.200 magical approach
00:13:19.300 to nature
00:13:19.900 among all these movements
00:13:21.440 because they really do believe
00:13:23.400 the divinity
00:13:23.980 is already latent
00:13:25.040 within nature.
00:13:26.400 They don't believe
00:13:27.300 that that infinite gap
00:13:28.520 requires grace
00:13:29.540 to be bridged.
00:13:30.340 And so,
00:13:31.320 that's what all this
00:13:32.200 supposedly secret knowledge
00:13:33.720 is about.
00:13:34.680 And that's frankly,
00:13:35.680 you know,
00:13:36.220 I actually,
00:13:36.840 in law school,
00:13:37.760 somebody tried to
00:13:38.940 recruit me to the Masons
00:13:40.360 and I was very tempted.
00:13:41.380 I was a Protestant at the time.
00:13:42.940 Now,
00:13:43.200 Masons never say,
00:13:44.460 will you join up?
00:13:45.700 They don't do that.
00:13:46.500 Their policy is
00:13:47.380 they will wait
00:13:48.140 for you to ask
00:13:49.240 because when you ask,
00:13:51.280 there's already
00:13:51.880 enough curiosity
00:13:53.320 and probably vanity
00:13:54.420 and pride
00:13:54.920 that's been stirred up
00:13:55.880 to get you to ask
00:13:57.000 in the first place.
00:13:57.720 I mean,
00:13:58.220 I mean,
00:13:58.480 my goodness,
00:13:58.980 I grew up watching
00:13:59.660 National Treasure,
00:14:00.540 like this idea
00:14:01.200 of being part
00:14:01.740 of the secret fraternity
00:14:02.760 that exercises,
00:14:04.240 you know,
00:14:04.440 control,
00:14:05.000 punching way above its weight
00:14:06.060 and whatever,
00:14:06.440 that appeals to all sorts
00:14:07.940 of vanity
00:14:08.440 and pride
00:14:08.980 and whatnot.
00:14:09.340 So,
00:14:09.940 fortunately,
00:14:10.420 I didn't do it.
00:14:11.100 Something was holding me back
00:14:12.320 and the guy
00:14:13.120 who was asking me
00:14:13.960 seemed like a decent guy
00:14:14.940 in many ways,
00:14:15.800 but then I got back home
00:14:17.340 to California
00:14:17.920 after law school
00:14:18.580 and the People's Republic
00:14:20.440 of California
00:14:21.120 as we call it.
00:14:22.460 And then another man
00:14:23.840 who I met
00:14:24.300 who was a very senior leader
00:14:25.980 in Freemasonry,
00:14:26.720 he also started
00:14:27.540 to meet with me
00:14:28.180 and I hadn't quite
00:14:29.180 become Catholic yet,
00:14:30.180 but I was beginning,
00:14:31.480 I hadn't read
00:14:31.860 Monsignor Dillon,
00:14:32.800 but I was beginning
00:14:33.760 to read all sorts of stuff.
00:14:35.000 So,
00:14:35.340 I think this whole idea
00:14:37.140 that if you have
00:14:37.720 this certain gnosis
00:14:38.480 that you kind of access
00:14:39.700 this mystical knowledge
00:14:41.540 of nature
00:14:42.100 at the higher levels,
00:14:43.800 I think it's meant
00:14:45.300 to work on
00:14:46.000 the very same thing
00:14:46.900 that caused our parents
00:14:47.820 to fall,
00:14:48.300 our first parents,
00:14:49.080 pride.
00:14:50.020 You shall be as gods.
00:14:51.320 That's what it all
00:14:52.580 comes back to.
00:14:53.320 This is interesting
00:14:54.280 because this is
00:14:55.380 a different look
00:14:56.080 at Freemasonry
00:14:58.120 than we're used to.
00:14:59.700 Most of us
00:15:00.540 know Freemasonry
00:15:01.960 and think,
00:15:02.480 well,
00:15:02.980 it's this thing
00:15:03.960 with 33 degrees,
00:15:05.540 it's kind of like
00:15:06.320 the Knights of Columbus,
00:15:07.600 but the pagan version
00:15:08.980 and it's kind of
00:15:10.340 anti-Catholic
00:15:11.020 and you're saying
00:15:12.800 the degrees
00:15:14.160 is one thing,
00:15:15.060 but there's not even
00:15:16.100 that many people
00:15:16.840 are doing it anyway.
00:15:18.000 Frankly,
00:15:18.320 I don't think
00:15:18.680 they even have to.
00:15:19.540 I don't think
00:15:19.840 you have to be
00:15:20.340 a card-carrying Freemason
00:15:21.460 to be fundamentally
00:15:22.380 Freemasonic these days.
00:15:24.160 I think you just
00:15:24.800 need to take Oprah
00:15:25.580 at her word.
00:15:26.540 I think you just
00:15:27.060 need to believe
00:15:27.640 along the lines
00:15:28.380 of what Oprah believes.
00:15:30.020 There's a lot
00:15:30.620 of new ageism
00:15:31.440 that's everywhere
00:15:32.020 in our culture.
00:15:33.860 There's a lot,
00:15:34.340 I mean,
00:15:34.500 when you read
00:15:35.020 a lot of the
00:15:35.380 World Economic Forum
00:15:36.360 stuff,
00:15:36.640 I've seen you report
00:15:37.380 on Yuval Harari
00:15:38.340 and Schwab
00:15:39.360 and all those folks.
00:15:42.600 I've been reading
00:15:43.440 Yuval Harari's books.
00:15:45.040 They're even worse
00:15:45.920 than people realize.
00:15:46.860 I mean,
00:15:47.340 they really have
00:15:48.400 reduced everything
00:15:49.940 to the material horizon.
00:15:53.140 Everything.
00:15:54.140 And they believe
00:15:55.160 that they can
00:15:56.680 eventually control
00:15:57.740 this material horizon
00:15:59.060 such that,
00:16:01.400 I mean,
00:16:01.760 as Yuval Harari
00:16:02.520 says many times,
00:16:03.920 we shall basically
00:16:04.700 be as gods.
00:16:05.880 And Yuval Harari
00:16:06.700 in his book,
00:16:07.480 I'm doing this,
00:16:07.880 remember,
00:16:08.240 he literally talks
00:16:09.680 about we will exceed,
00:16:11.920 you know,
00:16:12.060 because in the past
00:16:12.600 the pagan gods
00:16:13.400 used to be men,
00:16:14.940 used to be women,
00:16:15.640 and then they were
00:16:16.620 later divinized.
00:16:18.200 And so Yuval Harari
00:16:19.060 talks about
00:16:19.540 we're going to exceed them.
00:16:21.300 We're going to exceed Zeus.
00:16:23.080 We're going to exceed
00:16:24.080 Neptune, etc.
00:16:25.080 So it's very,
00:16:26.280 very creepy.
00:16:26.820 And so I think
00:16:27.460 the reduction
00:16:28.360 of everything
00:16:29.060 to the material,
00:16:29.960 and that's why
00:16:30.360 it's related
00:16:30.700 to socialism and communism.
00:16:31.840 You know,
00:16:32.380 Marx's whole theory
00:16:33.280 of history,
00:16:33.980 dialectical materialism,
00:16:35.500 was that you have
00:16:36.420 a thesis
00:16:36.860 and an antithesis,
00:16:38.680 antithesis,
00:16:39.400 and that provides
00:16:40.580 the impetus
00:16:41.460 to reach a new synthesis.
00:16:42.840 Now,
00:16:43.260 I think a good way,
00:16:44.200 well, here's my book.
00:16:45.000 Well,
00:16:45.920 my book,
00:16:46.480 you know,
00:16:46.620 I edited it.
00:16:47.500 But I think
00:16:48.260 a good way
00:16:48.920 to explain it
00:16:50.400 is maybe people
00:16:51.120 are familiar
00:16:51.460 with the idea
00:16:52.000 of potential energy.
00:16:53.600 You know,
00:16:53.720 if your book
00:16:54.140 is laying on your desk,
00:16:55.520 there's no potential
00:16:56.280 energy there.
00:16:57.180 But when you lift it up,
00:16:58.420 you know,
00:16:58.920 the gap there
00:16:59.640 provides potential energy.
00:17:01.460 And the higher
00:17:01.900 the book gets,
00:17:02.600 the higher
00:17:02.980 the potential energy.
00:17:04.140 So when you're seeing
00:17:05.120 a bifurcation,
00:17:07.640 I mean,
00:17:08.160 as we're seeing
00:17:08.700 a lot today,
00:17:09.840 the wider and wider
00:17:11.180 that gap gets,
00:17:12.420 the more potential energy
00:17:13.840 is there.
00:17:14.420 And that potential energy
00:17:15.400 provides the impetus
00:17:16.460 to push the society
00:17:18.100 forward in the direction
00:17:19.280 that they want to go.
00:17:21.020 Which is why
00:17:21.680 we constantly see,
00:17:22.480 at least in America,
00:17:23.720 I know you Canadians
00:17:24.660 are way on top of things,
00:17:25.820 you know,
00:17:26.300 but, you know,
00:17:27.960 we're constantly seeing
00:17:28.860 no matter what we do,
00:17:29.760 we're constantly going
00:17:30.580 in a more leftward direction.
00:17:31.960 But really,
00:17:32.840 this is,
00:17:33.440 it's their attempt,
00:17:34.940 it's their Marxist,
00:17:36.680 materialistic,
00:17:37.460 dialectic attempt
00:17:38.380 to literally control history.
00:17:39.900 And when you hear,
00:17:41.940 when you look
00:17:42.600 in a lot of Masonic sources,
00:17:43.780 they really do
00:17:44.580 think of themselves,
00:17:45.920 they say the difference
00:17:46.780 between a beast
00:17:47.500 and a man
00:17:48.100 is the same
00:17:48.860 as a man
00:17:49.460 and a mason.
00:17:50.960 So there really is this,
00:17:52.640 I mean,
00:17:52.900 Albert Pike talks this way,
00:17:54.340 Manly P. Hall
00:17:54.960 talks this way.
00:17:56.360 I mean,
00:17:56.680 I got that specific line
00:17:58.100 from the 1723
00:17:59.300 Anderson's Constitution's
00:18:00.660 well-known
00:18:01.000 Masonic document.
00:18:01.720 So they really do believe
00:18:03.560 that they have
00:18:04.280 the forces of history
00:18:05.500 within their control
00:18:06.980 through this sort of
00:18:07.700 materialistic paradigm.
00:18:10.720 And so it's very real.
00:18:14.020 They really do believe
00:18:15.400 in a whole class
00:18:16.700 of Untermenschen.
00:18:17.840 They actually believe
00:18:19.420 themselves superior.
00:18:20.800 Yeah,
00:18:21.360 I believe so.
00:18:22.860 And, you know,
00:18:24.060 to be very clear,
00:18:26.120 my goal,
00:18:26.760 and I was explaining
00:18:27.320 this to you
00:18:27.940 before we started,
00:18:29.760 my goal with this book
00:18:31.160 when I was reading,
00:18:31.840 I was like,
00:18:32.140 people need to read this
00:18:33.180 not because
00:18:35.200 I think we all need
00:18:36.760 to know
00:18:37.280 the inner sanctum
00:18:38.240 of Freemasonry.
00:18:38.960 I don't think any of us
00:18:39.620 need to know that,
00:18:40.240 frankly.
00:18:41.140 But I think,
00:18:41.940 you know,
00:18:42.140 at least in a Catholic church,
00:18:44.180 I'm very empathetic
00:18:45.100 with a lot of people
00:18:45.840 who have different views
00:18:46.600 of what's going on today.
00:18:47.680 I don't claim to fully understand
00:18:49.000 the crisis we're in.
00:18:49.920 I don't think you would
00:18:50.540 claim that either.
00:18:51.560 I don't think any of us should.
00:18:53.000 But there's a class
00:18:54.740 of Catholics who,
00:18:55.760 the moment you bring up
00:18:56.660 a topic like Freemasonry,
00:18:58.060 they immediately shut down,
00:18:59.260 say,
00:18:59.480 conspiracy theory,
00:19:00.360 conspiracy.
00:19:00.600 It's false,
00:19:02.180 stupid,
00:19:02.500 whatever.
00:19:03.460 I'm sorry.
00:19:04.340 I mean,
00:19:04.660 I quote Robert Moynihan
00:19:05.980 inside the Vatican,
00:19:07.280 very respected scholar,
00:19:09.300 friend of Joseph Ratzinger
00:19:10.700 at the time.
00:19:11.640 And I saw this article
00:19:13.200 in April of 2020
00:19:14.480 as I was reading this book.
00:19:16.240 But as we were all
00:19:17.420 going through
00:19:18.100 the first shutdown
00:19:19.900 almost worldwide
00:19:21.000 of the public celebration
00:19:22.060 of Easter
00:19:22.500 since the Diocletian
00:19:23.660 persecution,
00:19:24.460 perhaps,
00:19:24.840 he was saying
00:19:27.120 he had recalled
00:19:28.060 during this time
00:19:28.880 a conversation
00:19:29.560 with Cardinal Ratzinger,
00:19:31.000 but just prior
00:19:31.740 to his becoming Pope.
00:19:33.180 And he asked him
00:19:34.020 what the gravest threat
00:19:35.040 to the church was.
00:19:36.280 And he said,
00:19:37.100 Cardinal Ratzinger
00:19:37.780 very quietly
00:19:39.420 in his normal way,
00:19:40.780 didn't say anything
00:19:42.600 for a bit,
00:19:43.160 but then just looked at him
00:19:44.040 and very solemnly said,
00:19:45.100 it's Freemasonry.
00:19:46.720 Okay.
00:19:47.300 And then we have
00:19:47.940 multiple Popes,
00:19:48.780 not just Pope Leo XIII,
00:19:50.000 but many before him.
00:19:51.620 And it's even in Canada law
00:19:52.860 to this day
00:19:53.360 that you cannot be
00:19:54.000 a Mason and a Catholic.
00:19:55.120 There's severe penalties for it.
00:19:57.240 So there are many
00:19:58.160 Supreme Pontiffs
00:19:58.860 that were warning about this.
00:20:00.120 So if you want to say
00:20:01.720 that this sort of stuff
00:20:02.760 is a conspiracy theory,
00:20:04.820 tinfoil hat sort of stuff,
00:20:06.420 then you must also say,
00:20:08.320 and I think the gauntlet
00:20:09.180 needs to be thrown down,
00:20:10.460 you must also say
00:20:11.600 that multiple Supreme Pontiffs
00:20:13.260 of the Catholic Church
00:20:14.160 were tinfoil hat
00:20:16.400 conspiracy theorists.
00:20:17.660 If you're willing to do that,
00:20:19.080 fine.
00:20:19.380 You're at least
00:20:19.780 intellectually consistent.
00:20:21.000 But if you're not,
00:20:22.080 then stop.
00:20:23.200 Now, on the other side,
00:20:24.000 we have some people
00:20:24.580 who think,
00:20:25.140 you know,
00:20:25.780 one of my dear friends
00:20:27.160 who everybody in the audience
00:20:28.080 would know,
00:20:28.440 but I won't mention it,
00:20:29.580 says there's not a Mason
00:20:31.100 under every rock.
00:20:32.340 And even Leo XIII says this.
00:20:33.880 He says,
00:20:34.080 we cannot blame
00:20:34.960 all the problems
00:20:35.740 in the church
00:20:36.260 on Freemasonry.
00:20:37.260 Okay.
00:20:38.100 Monsignor Dillon
00:20:38.640 says this too.
00:20:39.580 So we need to be careful
00:20:40.800 about that
00:20:41.300 because I think
00:20:42.180 there can sometimes
00:20:42.860 be a tendency
00:20:43.360 to externalize
00:20:44.740 the source of all evil.
00:20:46.060 This is one of the reasons
00:20:46.620 why I always watch your show.
00:20:47.580 You always bring it back to,
00:20:49.400 well, first of all,
00:20:49.980 you're a very arenic guy.
00:20:51.000 You're very peaceful.
00:20:51.800 And St. Francis' Sale says
00:20:53.100 the number one thing
00:20:53.800 we need to maintain
00:20:54.400 is our peace of soul.
00:20:55.960 And so we can't
00:20:58.140 just externalize
00:20:59.480 all the sources
00:21:00.400 of evil and vice
00:21:01.280 in the world.
00:21:01.740 We really have to
00:21:02.840 be aware of our own souls.
00:21:04.400 And so I want to avoid
00:21:05.440 that extreme as well.
00:21:06.860 So.
00:21:09.020 You know that here on LifeSite,
00:21:10.920 we love to tell
00:21:11.980 amazing stories.
00:21:13.920 There are a few
00:21:14.840 so heroic and amazing
00:21:16.580 as the story
00:21:17.860 we're about to tell you
00:21:18.860 that's coming soon.
00:21:19.760 You've got to watch this.
00:21:23.980 When I was in seminary,
00:21:25.560 I was reading a book
00:21:26.460 by Henry Nowen.
00:21:27.720 He talked about
00:21:28.700 a nuclear man,
00:21:29.900 you know,
00:21:30.200 and people who grew up
00:21:31.260 in the 1980s
00:21:32.720 were kind of formed
00:21:33.600 by that immediate
00:21:35.300 and constant threat
00:21:36.460 of nuclear annihilation.
00:21:38.360 and my generation
00:21:41.280 has grown up,
00:21:42.540 you know,
00:21:42.760 under the specter
00:21:44.080 of priestly sexual abuse.
00:21:46.380 What say you,
00:21:47.200 Mr. Foreperson,
00:21:48.080 is the defendant
00:21:48.640 guilty or not guilty?
00:21:50.920 I think that
00:21:51.520 for many of us
00:21:52.660 that has also been
00:21:53.920 all-encompassing.
00:21:55.480 You know, I mean,
00:21:55.940 I entered the seminary
00:21:57.860 in January of 2004,
00:21:59.860 and it's basically
00:22:00.740 been there for me
00:22:02.080 from the beginning.
00:22:02.840 One priest's sacrifice
00:22:07.480 for many priestly sins.
00:22:10.200 One of the things
00:22:20.420 that I noticed
00:22:21.400 about the list
00:22:22.840 that you gave,
00:22:24.140 it goes right along
00:22:26.400 with Cleons Goosen's list.
00:22:28.800 Cleons Goosen
00:22:29.280 was one of the guys
00:22:31.020 under Reagan
00:22:31.640 who worked on communism.
00:22:34.460 He wrote
00:22:34.900 The Naked Communist,
00:22:36.460 which is,
00:22:37.220 at least according to Reagan,
00:22:38.720 the greatest book
00:22:39.500 on communism.
00:22:40.520 But it goes through
00:22:41.600 this laundry list
00:22:42.620 of the goals of communism
00:22:43.840 that sound exactly like
00:22:45.720 what you mentioned.
00:22:47.240 There's the goals
00:22:47.680 of Freemasonry,
00:22:48.480 about divorce,
00:22:49.520 about sex ed in schools,
00:22:51.520 about separating
00:22:52.640 the church from the state,
00:22:56.080 things like this.
00:22:57.280 What is the relationship there
00:22:58.820 between Freemasonry
00:23:00.160 and communism?
00:23:01.280 Well, we know
00:23:01.780 that the Holy See
00:23:02.840 came into possession
00:23:04.760 of a lot of documents
00:23:06.600 related to these sorts
00:23:08.100 of groups,
00:23:09.180 the Alta Vendita,
00:23:10.200 some of the sources
00:23:12.600 are quoted
00:23:13.120 in Munson or Dillon's book.
00:23:14.920 And I think,
00:23:16.040 my personal opinion
00:23:17.200 is that the Popes
00:23:18.000 never quite revealed
00:23:20.160 fully their hand
00:23:21.680 in terms of
00:23:22.500 how they knew
00:23:23.200 what they knew.
00:23:24.240 We know the Vatican
00:23:24.920 has long had,
00:23:25.840 you know,
00:23:26.280 arguably the best
00:23:26.980 diplomatic network
00:23:27.820 in the world,
00:23:28.920 best intelligence network,
00:23:30.240 whatnot.
00:23:30.600 But they knew
00:23:31.220 from the very beginning
00:23:32.080 that there was definitely
00:23:33.100 a relationship
00:23:33.980 between occultism
00:23:35.200 and the revolutionary
00:23:36.920 movements that were
00:23:37.960 sweeping Europe
00:23:38.720 in the 19th century,
00:23:40.180 many of which
00:23:41.000 were overtly Marxist.
00:23:43.560 But we had a predicate,
00:23:44.580 and Monsignor Dillon
00:23:45.100 talks about this,
00:23:45.860 we had a predicate
00:23:46.520 with the French Revolution,
00:23:47.920 and this itself
00:23:48.960 had been preceded
00:23:49.800 by Voltaire,
00:23:51.400 whose entire purpose
00:23:52.940 was to destroy
00:23:53.620 the Catholic Church.
00:23:54.460 And this goes in line
00:23:56.420 with the whole
00:23:56.780 nature alone thing.
00:23:58.160 When you believe
00:23:58.660 in nature alone,
00:23:59.360 you believe man's reason
00:24:00.380 is sufficient
00:24:01.020 to attain his end.
00:24:03.780 And so,
00:24:04.300 when you have Voltaire
00:24:05.140 and the whole
00:24:05.620 so-called enlightenment,
00:24:07.060 you have this
00:24:07.640 overemphasis
00:24:08.440 on man's reason
00:24:09.260 and his ability,
00:24:10.100 the ability for our brain
00:24:11.220 to understand
00:24:12.100 completely everything
00:24:13.860 it needs to know
00:24:14.560 for its final end,
00:24:15.520 which, of course,
00:24:16.080 we completely reject
00:24:17.040 as Catholics.
00:24:18.160 It completely,
00:24:19.680 all the truths of faith,
00:24:20.900 it knocks out.
00:24:21.860 And so,
00:24:22.260 all of that
00:24:22.820 had been prepared
00:24:23.640 a century or so
00:24:25.560 before Marx.
00:24:26.900 And then Marx comes along
00:24:28.180 and, you know,
00:24:29.680 combining with Hegel,
00:24:30.660 the whole, again,
00:24:31.180 as I said earlier,
00:24:31.800 the dialectical materialism,
00:24:33.720 Marx kind of provided this,
00:24:35.140 well, set up these two
00:24:36.800 bipolar aspects of society
00:24:39.340 and that will provide
00:24:40.200 the impetus to go forward.
00:24:41.800 It's very interesting
00:24:42.620 because I think
00:24:43.200 it's one of the shorter chapters,
00:24:44.720 but one of the most
00:24:45.320 important chapters
00:24:46.240 in the book
00:24:47.580 is called
00:24:48.080 The War Party
00:24:48.840 and the Intellectual Party
00:24:50.220 of Freemasonry.
00:24:52.060 And Monsignor,
00:24:53.580 Monsignor Dillon basically
00:24:54.100 talks about,
00:24:55.720 Monsignor Dillon,
00:24:56.380 here's what he claims.
00:24:57.200 He claims,
00:24:58.220 and Pope Leo XIII
00:24:59.080 endorsed this,
00:24:59.780 so I'm assuming
00:25:00.300 Pope Leo XIII
00:25:01.220 didn't see anything
00:25:02.020 crazy wrong with this.
00:25:04.700 Monsignor Dillon claimed
00:25:05.820 that there was
00:25:06.460 a secretive directory
00:25:08.000 that centrally controlled
00:25:09.940 all or most
00:25:11.100 of the occult groups
00:25:12.080 in the world
00:25:12.820 that were seeking
00:25:14.620 to overturn Christendom,
00:25:16.900 okay?
00:25:17.920 He claimed that
00:25:18.960 this directory
00:25:20.160 was headed
00:25:20.660 by one individual
00:25:21.700 with a very,
00:25:22.960 very few people
00:25:23.580 around them
00:25:24.200 that knew about it
00:25:26.020 and that this one individual,
00:25:28.080 he actually gives
00:25:28.920 one example,
00:25:30.340 at least of who
00:25:30.720 he thought one of them
00:25:31.460 was at the time,
00:25:32.300 Lord Palmerston.
00:25:33.340 He was the British
00:25:33.900 prime minister,
00:25:35.280 1840s,
00:25:36.000 early 1850s,
00:25:36.760 somewhere in there.
00:25:37.720 And he gives
00:25:38.480 all sorts of evidence
00:25:39.320 for why he believes
00:25:40.260 Lord Palmerston
00:25:41.140 was the head
00:25:42.680 of this directory
00:25:43.500 at the time.
00:25:44.860 And so he believes
00:25:46.080 that this directory
00:25:46.820 has successors.
00:25:48.240 It's like a sort of
00:25:48.940 dark apostolic succession
00:25:50.640 in a way.
00:25:51.200 The final successor
00:25:52.320 of this directory
00:25:53.480 will be Antichrist
00:25:54.600 and that most people
00:25:56.240 don't know the identity
00:25:57.140 of this guy
00:25:57.860 at any given time.
00:25:59.280 But this directory
00:26:00.560 centrally controls everything.
00:26:02.280 And what it does
00:26:02.940 is it has what's called
00:26:03.920 the intellectual party
00:26:05.080 and the war party.
00:26:06.540 The intellectual party
00:26:07.380 is the ideas,
00:26:08.420 the legislators,
00:26:09.200 whatever.
00:26:09.720 The war party is,
00:26:10.760 I guess we could say,
00:26:11.500 the activists,
00:26:12.220 the street demonstrators,
00:26:13.180 maybe those who get violent.
00:26:15.500 And basically,
00:26:16.340 I think this was,
00:26:17.380 I may be forgetting
00:26:18.000 a detail or two,
00:26:18.740 but basically,
00:26:19.520 the intellectual party
00:26:20.480 always knows
00:26:21.440 what the war party
00:26:22.200 is doing,
00:26:22.640 but the war party
00:26:23.360 doesn't always know
00:26:24.420 what the intellectual
00:26:25.180 party is doing.
00:26:25.980 So they're kept separate.
00:26:27.480 But the point is,
00:26:28.240 is that they can,
00:26:29.440 they can look at
00:26:29.980 what's happening
00:26:30.480 in our society.
00:26:31.000 I really do wonder
00:26:32.000 sometimes how much
00:26:33.420 of the gender stuff
00:26:34.400 and the,
00:26:35.780 I mean,
00:26:36.080 when I grew up,
00:26:37.420 you know,
00:26:37.620 Democrats,
00:26:38.220 and by the way,
00:26:38.780 I hardly think
00:26:39.420 Republicans are angels.
00:26:40.520 So I'm a Republican,
00:26:41.420 but oh gosh,
00:26:42.040 don't get me started.
00:26:42.480 But the Democrats
00:26:44.760 were abortion
00:26:45.400 should be safe,
00:26:46.120 legal,
00:26:46.380 and rare.
00:26:47.140 Okay?
00:26:47.820 Now,
00:26:48.440 it's like,
00:26:48.940 no,
00:26:49.280 this is a positive good.
00:26:50.580 It's good for women
00:26:51.720 to have an abortion.
00:26:53.580 And then with the gender stuff,
00:26:54.720 you know,
00:26:55.120 I don't,
00:26:55.580 you know,
00:26:55.720 your audience
00:26:56.140 doesn't need a news update
00:26:56.980 on that.
00:26:57.680 But it almost feels
00:26:58.920 sometimes that again,
00:26:59.940 they're purposely
00:27:01.360 stretching out
00:27:02.680 the difference
00:27:04.300 between the two poles
00:27:05.320 of society.
00:27:05.980 And we all feel
00:27:07.500 that tension.
00:27:08.160 And so it's meant
00:27:09.760 to push us somewhere.
00:27:11.640 And so anyway,
00:27:12.480 that's why I think
00:27:13.200 there's a connection
00:27:13.860 between the naturalism,
00:27:15.700 the sola notura,
00:27:17.400 the communism.
00:27:19.440 It's all meant
00:27:20.500 to lower the horizon
00:27:21.720 from the divine horizon
00:27:22.760 of heaven
00:27:23.200 as the ultimate goal
00:27:24.400 to this earth
00:27:25.440 as the ultimate goal.
00:27:26.940 And ultimately,
00:27:27.660 when you do that,
00:27:29.000 human desire,
00:27:30.500 autonomy
00:27:31.040 becomes the rule
00:27:32.120 of the day.
00:27:32.680 So apply that to marriage.
00:27:34.160 Easy divorce laws.
00:27:35.720 No fault divorce.
00:27:36.420 No fault divorce
00:27:37.140 was a very Masonic
00:27:38.580 sort of thing.
00:27:40.060 We know for a fact
00:27:41.060 that I'm forgetting
00:27:42.840 which Tim Gordon
00:27:44.420 has talked about this before,
00:27:45.780 but the justice
00:27:46.860 who wrote
00:27:47.400 the Everson opinion
00:27:48.540 in 47,
00:27:49.340 I believe,
00:27:49.940 he was a Hugo Black,
00:27:51.780 I think it was.
00:27:52.680 He was a Freemason,
00:27:53.880 you know,
00:27:54.080 getting prayer
00:27:54.940 and church involvement
00:27:56.080 out of schools.
00:27:57.340 The guys behind contraception,
00:27:59.200 allowing pornography.
00:28:00.700 There were definitely
00:28:01.900 justices on our Supreme Court
00:28:04.640 who were Freemasons,
00:28:05.560 and this was their entire goal.
00:28:08.000 In 47,
00:28:08.820 they completely reinterpreted
00:28:10.540 the First Amendment.
00:28:11.800 The First Amendment
00:28:12.340 very clearly says
00:28:13.080 Congress shall make no law.
00:28:15.240 Okay?
00:28:15.440 So it applies to Congress.
00:28:16.980 And throughout our history,
00:28:18.280 up to 1890,
00:28:19.340 various U.S. states
00:28:20.180 had religious establishments.
00:28:22.000 They were allowed,
00:28:22.400 you know,
00:28:22.700 Presbyterian here,
00:28:23.800 Congregationalist there,
00:28:24.720 whatever.
00:28:26.200 But in 47,
00:28:27.720 they completely reinterpreted
00:28:29.060 the First Amendment
00:28:29.640 to apply to the states
00:28:31.240 via the 14th Amendment.
00:28:32.980 Tim Gordon
00:28:33.320 talks about this a lot.
00:28:34.100 But that was not,
00:28:36.360 you know,
00:28:36.680 I think there are some problems
00:28:37.820 with the founding.
00:28:38.500 I'm working on a book
00:28:39.140 on that right now.
00:28:39.960 So, you know,
00:28:40.900 I think there are good things
00:28:41.760 about the founding,
00:28:42.420 some very problematic things
00:28:43.340 about the founding.
00:28:44.160 But that was certainly
00:28:45.340 not the founding intention
00:28:46.600 that the First Amendment
00:28:48.060 would be applied
00:28:48.820 to the states.
00:28:49.640 And so,
00:28:50.000 but that was
00:28:50.600 a Masonic attempt
00:28:51.920 to basically invert
00:28:53.220 the constitutional order
00:28:54.340 and even prevent
00:28:55.860 religious establishments
00:28:56.900 at the state level.
00:28:58.060 And so,
00:28:58.540 all these things
00:28:59.460 are meant to,
00:29:01.320 you know,
00:29:01.560 there's a divine horizon,
00:29:02.640 there's a natural horizon.
00:29:03.540 It's meant to lower it
00:29:04.220 to the natural horizon.
00:29:05.500 And frankly,
00:29:06.220 I think
00:29:06.780 there are plenty of forces
00:29:09.320 on the capitalistic side.
00:29:10.680 I think,
00:29:11.080 I think to divide the world
00:29:12.200 between capitalism
00:29:12.920 and communism
00:29:13.540 is becoming increasingly
00:29:14.880 naive,
00:29:16.820 in my opinion.
00:29:18.260 We're seeing
00:29:19.220 the forces
00:29:21.200 of rank corporatism.
00:29:22.960 I think Soab Amari
00:29:23.920 has a new book on this
00:29:25.220 or will be having
00:29:26.180 a new book on this,
00:29:26.920 A Private Tyranny.
00:29:28.900 We all know
00:29:29.580 what it's like.
00:29:30.060 You guys have been
00:29:30.560 building a new platform
00:29:31.460 to avoid this very issue.
00:29:33.780 So,
00:29:34.340 whether it's controlled
00:29:35.280 by some central
00:29:36.080 state apparatus,
00:29:37.060 which maybe it will be
00:29:38.000 with AI.
00:29:38.700 I mean,
00:29:39.260 who knows the possibilities
00:29:40.260 of AI
00:29:40.780 and the ability
00:29:41.460 to track
00:29:42.560 all sorts of things
00:29:43.360 and do it quickly
00:29:44.000 and whatnot.
00:29:45.180 But if,
00:29:45.780 whether it's controlled
00:29:46.320 through a state apparatus
00:29:47.200 or a corporate apparatus,
00:29:48.560 what does it matter?
00:29:49.660 And I feel like
00:29:50.220 the warning of this
00:29:51.000 came from
00:29:51.360 Alexander Solzhenitsyn himself.
00:29:52.980 There was no one
00:29:53.580 who was a more
00:29:54.200 anti-communist warrior
00:29:55.700 than Alexander Solzhenitsyn.
00:29:57.020 And in his 78 address
00:29:59.060 to Harvard
00:29:59.900 at the Harvard commencement,
00:30:01.660 he bluntly said,
00:30:03.040 I don't want to recommend
00:30:04.760 the American model
00:30:06.540 to my country.
00:30:07.760 You're spiritually exhausted.
00:30:10.900 You don't even follow
00:30:11.880 the basics
00:30:12.440 of your own founding.
00:30:13.720 And no,
00:30:14.320 you are not the model
00:30:15.160 I want for my home country.
00:30:17.000 So,
00:30:17.540 and Fulton J. Sheen
00:30:18.620 talks a lot about this.
00:30:19.740 He talks about how,
00:30:21.220 and so does Christopher Dawson,
00:30:22.640 a great Catholic historian.
00:30:24.240 Look,
00:30:24.740 I'm for a free market.
00:30:25.540 I love all that stuff.
00:30:26.740 But at the same time,
00:30:27.460 we have to realize
00:30:28.200 how much of our life,
00:30:29.420 we saw this during COVID,
00:30:30.440 the essential places
00:30:32.020 of business.
00:30:33.800 Churches?
00:30:34.300 No.
00:30:35.880 You know,
00:30:36.380 strip joints?
00:30:37.440 Sure.
00:30:38.060 Home Depot?
00:30:38.900 Yeah.
00:30:40.200 Grocery stores make sense.
00:30:41.400 Obviously,
00:30:41.760 you need food.
00:30:42.680 But all sorts of things,
00:30:44.140 and churches are not.
00:30:45.260 Why?
00:30:45.620 Because in our modern society,
00:30:47.000 it's all about
00:30:48.340 the sort of fulfillment
00:30:49.580 of our short-term desires.
00:30:51.440 The divine horizon
00:30:52.520 has been completely lost
00:30:53.760 to where we don't even see churches
00:30:55.200 as essential business anymore.
00:30:57.060 I mean,
00:30:57.280 they're not a business.
00:30:57.940 You know what I mean?
00:30:58.720 That's a really,
00:30:59.600 really good point.
00:31:00.840 But there's just something
00:31:01.780 confusing here.
00:31:03.120 If they're talking about
00:31:04.640 wanting
00:31:06.140 human nature
00:31:07.860 is enough,
00:31:09.420 you'd think
00:31:09.900 reason
00:31:10.860 is what they use.
00:31:12.580 But they seem to be
00:31:13.740 dismantling reason.
00:31:14.940 That's what's
00:31:15.600 really,
00:31:16.320 really weird.
00:31:16.760 The whole trans thing
00:31:17.700 is getting
00:31:18.580 completely bizarre.
00:31:20.760 people are being forced
00:31:22.620 to say stuff
00:31:23.540 that they know
00:31:25.060 is untrue.
00:31:25.600 That's
00:31:25.940 obviously untrue.
00:31:28.120 This is becoming
00:31:29.140 total insanity.
00:31:31.480 You know,
00:31:32.840 beyond
00:31:33.260 the horrific things
00:31:35.220 they're doing to kids
00:31:36.080 and the operations
00:31:36.940 and whatever else
00:31:38.060 and giving them drugs
00:31:39.360 that are going to harm
00:31:40.100 them forever.
00:31:40.580 But now you have
00:31:41.360 people identifying,
00:31:42.680 adults identifying as babies
00:31:44.020 and being treated
00:31:45.000 as such.
00:31:46.220 And
00:31:46.240 they make a mockery
00:31:49.180 of human reason.
00:31:50.440 Where's the appeal
00:31:51.360 to,
00:31:52.200 yeah,
00:31:52.340 we've got it all together.
00:31:53.640 We don't need to go
00:31:54.460 to spiritual
00:31:54.920 because they're making
00:31:56.500 it insane.
00:31:57.720 That's a very deep question
00:31:59.360 and a very appropriate one.
00:32:00.520 I write about it a lot
00:32:01.520 in the introduction
00:32:02.220 why this is the case.
00:32:05.480 Essentially,
00:32:05.900 I'd say this is
00:32:06.580 happening because
00:32:07.760 the Catholic faith
00:32:08.860 is true.
00:32:09.460 And what do I mean by that?
00:32:12.020 The Catholic Church
00:32:12.960 has always said
00:32:13.560 the natural law
00:32:14.680 is binding
00:32:15.160 on all of us.
00:32:16.120 It's kind of summarized
00:32:17.020 in the Ten Commandments
00:32:17.820 and whatnot.
00:32:18.120 But we've also always said,
00:32:20.280 again,
00:32:20.540 as we've said
00:32:20.980 throughout this conversation,
00:32:22.160 we cannot attain
00:32:23.080 our end without grace.
00:32:24.740 That means we cannot
00:32:25.820 even perceive,
00:32:27.760 let alone follow,
00:32:29.580 the natural law
00:32:30.700 with any real consistency
00:32:33.060 in a state
00:32:34.180 of original sin.
00:32:35.480 We need grace
00:32:36.360 to fully perceive
00:32:38.320 and then to fully will
00:32:40.400 these things.
00:32:41.840 St. Thomas Aquinas
00:32:42.620 in his,
00:32:43.120 you know,
00:32:44.000 his treatment of grace
00:32:46.080 in the Summa
00:32:46.560 is very,
00:32:47.040 very clear about this.
00:32:47.740 So that's why
00:32:49.580 when you,
00:32:50.940 when nature rejects grace,
00:32:52.380 it doesn't become
00:32:53.240 more natural.
00:32:53.960 It becomes unnatural.
00:32:55.740 It becomes less
00:32:57.040 than itself,
00:32:57.800 just like Adam and Eve
00:32:59.300 became less
00:33:00.140 than what they were
00:33:00.840 intended to be
00:33:01.780 when they rejected
00:33:03.360 God's commandment.
00:33:04.400 So I think that's why.
00:33:05.760 And also,
00:33:06.420 with the Enlightenment,
00:33:08.860 because the transcendent,
00:33:10.060 we started looking
00:33:11.340 at nature
00:33:11.980 as something
00:33:12.840 to be manipulated
00:33:13.900 and control
00:33:14.720 for the purpose
00:33:15.460 for the purpose
00:33:15.480 of power,
00:33:16.880 whereas,
00:33:17.420 and that's always
00:33:17.880 been a temptation
00:33:18.600 in human life.
00:33:19.360 You know,
00:33:19.540 we can't say
00:33:20.000 it was never
00:33:20.360 like that before,
00:33:21.100 but in the medieval
00:33:22.860 mindset,
00:33:23.360 the ancient mindset,
00:33:24.600 let's just assume,
00:33:25.660 you know,
00:33:25.820 the medieval
00:33:26.480 Christian mindset,
00:33:27.840 you know,
00:33:28.000 nature was sacramental,
00:33:29.920 meaning you looked
00:33:30.980 at something in nature
00:33:32.360 and you automatically
00:33:33.660 associated it
00:33:34.640 with the divine.
00:33:35.360 How does this
00:33:36.080 natural thing
00:33:37.460 point to that
00:33:38.280 which is higher
00:33:38.880 than itself?
00:33:40.060 That really changed
00:33:40.900 with the Enlightenment
00:33:41.740 with, you know,
00:33:42.440 Descartes,
00:33:43.100 I think,
00:33:43.860 therefore I am,
00:33:44.780 the Newtonian project
00:33:46.260 to basically,
00:33:47.580 they wanted to arrive
00:33:48.300 at certainty.
00:33:48.980 After the fall
00:33:49.600 of the Magisterium
00:33:50.300 or the rejection
00:33:50.940 of the Magisterium,
00:33:51.720 it didn't fall,
00:33:52.280 but the rejection
00:33:52.800 of the Magisterium
00:33:53.500 by much of,
00:33:54.160 by a good deal
00:33:54.780 of Christendom,
00:33:55.720 there was this
00:33:56.280 aching search
00:33:57.280 for certainty.
00:33:58.000 How do we know?
00:33:58.820 How do we know?
00:33:59.460 How do we know?
00:33:59.880 And so this,
00:34:00.340 this went from
00:34:00.900 the theological realm
00:34:02.020 with prosentism
00:34:03.100 and bled
00:34:03.720 into the philosophical
00:34:04.580 and the Enlightenment
00:34:05.860 project was basically
00:34:06.760 we can arrive
00:34:07.540 at certainty
00:34:08.040 through a set
00:34:08.620 of axiomatic processes
00:34:10.640 in our mind.
00:34:12.300 And,
00:34:12.480 but then what that does
00:34:13.400 is it changes
00:34:13.980 the view of nature
00:34:14.860 from sacramental
00:34:15.840 to mechanistic.
00:34:17.300 So that's why I think
00:34:18.720 you,
00:34:20.020 you have two things
00:34:21.180 at the same time.
00:34:21.860 You have this regression
00:34:22.860 into unnatural irrationality
00:34:25.440 as you've talked about.
00:34:26.900 While at the same time
00:34:28.120 we have those who are,
00:34:30.040 I mean,
00:34:30.320 we're making technological,
00:34:31.660 you know,
00:34:32.640 leaps and bounds
00:34:33.540 that are astounding
00:34:34.440 right now.
00:34:35.780 AI is obviously
00:34:36.540 the most recent example,
00:34:38.000 but it's like
00:34:38.400 the epitome
00:34:38.980 of this purely
00:34:39.980 mechanistic approach
00:34:41.460 to nature,
00:34:42.580 this purely materialistic
00:34:44.620 anti-sacramental
00:34:46.180 approach to nature.
00:34:47.460 And so that's why
00:34:47.960 I think we see both
00:34:49.040 ironically
00:34:49.680 at the same time.
00:34:51.900 That's my theory
00:34:52.800 at least.
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00:35:38.280 The aim
00:35:40.200 that we talked about
00:35:41.060 originally,
00:35:41.420 but we went on
00:35:42.300 specifically to
00:35:43.220 bring it up later,
00:35:44.780 the aim of Freemasonry
00:35:46.440 specifically against
00:35:48.120 Catholicism,
00:35:48.840 it's funny,
00:35:49.300 it's not just
00:35:50.180 Christianity generally,
00:35:51.440 no,
00:35:51.600 but it's really about
00:35:52.660 Catholicism in particular.
00:35:55.120 Tell us about that
00:35:55.840 and what is their program
00:35:57.760 for destroying the church?
00:35:59.180 So here's where I'll get
00:36:00.360 a little bit
00:36:00.760 into the eschatological.
00:36:02.220 I've lectured
00:36:02.960 about this elsewhere.
00:36:04.140 I didn't write about it
00:36:04.960 a ton in the book,
00:36:05.720 but it's my theory.
00:36:06.520 I think it fits really well.
00:36:08.120 Let's go to
00:36:09.060 2 Thessalonians 2.
00:36:11.000 I'm sure much of your audience
00:36:12.040 knows that it's a topic
00:36:13.000 I've been studying a lot,
00:36:13.980 reading all the
00:36:14.440 patristic commentaries.
00:36:16.040 So 2 Thessalonians 2
00:36:17.040 is where St. Paul talks
00:36:17.980 about the coming
00:36:18.540 of the Antichrist.
00:36:19.880 There are some Thessalonians
00:36:21.200 who thought
00:36:21.720 the day of the Lord
00:36:22.620 was at hand
00:36:23.240 and Paul was writing
00:36:24.680 and telling them,
00:36:25.100 no, no, no, no,
00:36:25.440 don't let anybody
00:36:26.040 deceive you about that,
00:36:27.080 no letter from me,
00:36:27.640 whatever.
00:36:29.180 But these are the things
00:36:29.860 that will happen
00:36:30.380 before the day of the Lord.
00:36:31.460 Okay.
00:36:32.380 So he actually doesn't
00:36:33.500 use the term Antichrist.
00:36:34.800 He uses the term
00:36:35.620 man of lawlessness,
00:36:36.740 which has been
00:36:38.480 unanimously interpreted
00:36:39.620 to refer to Antichrist.
00:36:40.840 So, and I do talk about this
00:36:42.640 a bit in the book,
00:36:44.240 the introduction.
00:36:45.780 So I thought, okay,
00:36:47.260 well, if Antichrist
00:36:48.080 is the man of lawlessness,
00:36:49.360 then what is the church taught
00:36:50.940 is the source of lawfulness.
00:36:53.540 Okay.
00:36:54.440 Obviously, we know
00:36:55.140 that's Jesus Christ ultimately,
00:36:56.820 but just how does that
00:36:57.600 play out in the world?
00:36:58.280 Well, the church
00:36:59.160 has always taught
00:36:59.840 the two powers,
00:37:01.200 the spiritual power
00:37:02.200 and the temporal power.
00:37:04.060 We know from Romans 13,
00:37:05.520 the temporal power
00:37:06.280 holds the sword
00:37:07.220 and they hold it for justice,
00:37:09.320 to enact justice
00:37:10.080 against evildoers
00:37:10.880 and to support the righteous.
00:37:11.940 Okay.
00:37:12.560 And we also know
00:37:13.200 the spiritual power
00:37:13.980 with the hierarchy,
00:37:15.120 they have the authority
00:37:16.460 to speak for God.
00:37:17.800 Here's the thing.
00:37:19.280 Prior to the incarnation,
00:37:21.640 both of those,
00:37:23.080 they didn't,
00:37:23.400 the pagans didn't conceive
00:37:24.420 as a temporal
00:37:25.280 and a spiritual,
00:37:25.900 but that was part
00:37:26.340 of the problem.
00:37:26.700 The temporal
00:37:27.400 and the spiritual
00:37:27.920 were completely the same.
00:37:30.220 This is why you have
00:37:30.960 the divinization
00:37:31.640 of emperors.
00:37:33.180 This is why pharaohs
00:37:34.560 were seen as gods,
00:37:36.200 essentially walking,
00:37:37.400 you know,
00:37:37.700 living gods.
00:37:39.800 You know,
00:37:40.300 this is why Caesar
00:37:41.260 and Augustus
00:37:42.060 and all these guys
00:37:42.720 were divinized
00:37:43.460 by the Roman Senate
00:37:44.360 after they died.
00:37:45.540 Okay.
00:37:46.160 So there was no separation
00:37:48.100 between temporal
00:37:48.940 and divine,
00:37:51.480 I guess you could say,
00:37:52.120 which again,
00:37:52.800 aligns with what I was saying
00:37:53.700 about sola and the Torah,
00:37:54.840 that there was no distinction.
00:37:56.900 With Christ,
00:37:57.700 we know give to Caesar
00:37:58.680 what is Caesar,
00:37:59.300 give to gods what is God.
00:38:00.780 We saw a type of this
00:38:01.920 in Israel
00:38:02.500 where the priesthood
00:38:03.380 and the kingship
00:38:04.060 were separated,
00:38:05.000 right?
00:38:05.600 The king had to write
00:38:06.620 a book of the law
00:38:07.360 that was in the custodian
00:38:08.400 of the priests,
00:38:09.040 is Deuteronomy 17.
00:38:10.840 So we see a type
00:38:11.760 of it in Israel
00:38:12.320 and then in the church
00:38:13.060 we see this kind of,
00:38:14.280 this is the Catholic
00:38:15.020 political theology
00:38:16.540 for,
00:38:17.800 you know,
00:38:18.180 I mean,
00:38:18.620 I don't know how many people
00:38:19.460 still hold to it now,
00:38:20.360 I still do,
00:38:20.940 but for 2,000 years,
00:38:22.600 even my confirmation saint,
00:38:24.720 St. Ignatius,
00:38:25.380 I call him the red pill
00:38:26.160 because he really showed me
00:38:27.180 my Protestantism
00:38:27.940 was not tenable,
00:38:29.060 but even he talks about,
00:38:31.260 you know,
00:38:31.520 the authority of the emperor
00:38:32.480 and he says,
00:38:33.340 and the authority
00:38:33.900 of the bishop.
00:38:34.560 I mean,
00:38:34.780 even he in 107 AD about
00:38:36.940 is making the same distinction.
00:38:39.160 Now,
00:38:39.320 why is this distinction important?
00:38:41.020 Because the temporal power,
00:38:43.340 a purely natural power,
00:38:44.720 bereft of grace,
00:38:45.620 is not capable
00:38:46.620 of leading people to God.
00:38:48.080 It's just not.
00:38:48.920 It needs the spiritual power
00:38:50.420 in the sense
00:38:51.240 that our minds
00:38:51.920 without grace,
00:38:53.220 we need grace
00:38:53.940 to discern the natural law,
00:38:55.560 to discern what God requires.
00:38:57.180 The same thing
00:38:57.700 with the temporal power.
00:38:58.560 The temporal power
00:38:59.200 requires the spiritual power
00:39:00.740 to lead it
00:39:01.640 in the right direction.
00:39:02.900 And the most famous
00:39:03.720 articulation of this
00:39:04.560 is Pope Galatius I
00:39:05.820 to, I think,
00:39:06.680 Emperor Anastasius.
00:39:07.900 I quote from it
00:39:08.520 in the introduction.
00:39:09.840 But he makes
00:39:10.580 a very interesting distinction.
00:39:11.700 He refers to the temporal,
00:39:13.540 it's often referred to
00:39:14.380 as the two powers,
00:39:15.240 but when you look
00:39:15.880 at the Latin,
00:39:16.780 he refers to
00:39:17.320 the temporal power,
00:39:18.840 potestas,
00:39:19.500 and refers to
00:39:20.500 the spiritual authority,
00:39:22.800 auctoritas, okay?
00:39:24.340 Those are very different.
00:39:25.620 You know,
00:39:25.800 one is a sword
00:39:26.920 and one is authority, right?
00:39:28.940 Prior to the incarnation,
00:39:30.380 as I was saying earlier,
00:39:31.420 the world was completely
00:39:32.380 controlled by this alliance
00:39:33.800 between the humans,
00:39:35.220 humans and demonic
00:39:36.180 through the pagan
00:39:36.800 mystery system, okay?
00:39:38.540 Now, what does Paul say?
00:39:39.660 He says there's
00:39:40.160 this mystery of iniquity,
00:39:41.240 but it's being restrained
00:39:42.520 by something.
00:39:43.400 And I'm sure
00:39:43.800 you know this topic well.
00:39:45.440 The word is katakon.
00:39:46.880 Now, he refers to it
00:39:47.780 in two different ways.
00:39:48.760 He refers to it
00:39:49.420 as a neuter it
00:39:50.580 and an individual he.
00:39:53.560 Now, there's debate
00:39:54.540 about this in the fathers,
00:39:55.480 and I don't want
00:39:56.020 to get too in the weeds
00:39:56.700 if you have a follow-up
00:39:57.300 question, I can,
00:39:57.840 but essentially,
00:39:58.880 there's this restraining influence
00:40:01.360 that is holding back
00:40:02.320 the mystery of iniquity,
00:40:03.520 which Paul says
00:40:04.520 is active
00:40:05.000 in the first century, okay?
00:40:07.100 And then Paul says
00:40:08.080 there will be a point
00:40:08.860 where this restrainer
00:40:09.780 stops restraining.
00:40:11.820 And at that point,
00:40:12.920 the Antichrist
00:40:13.620 will burst forth, okay?
00:40:15.420 So, here's my,
00:40:17.620 here's the short version
00:40:18.420 right there.
00:40:18.780 This is such a big topic.
00:40:19.660 I'm sorry.
00:40:21.400 In Apocalypse 17,
00:40:23.240 St. John, you know,
00:40:24.280 writing about 80, 90 or so,
00:40:26.820 he refers to this beast
00:40:28.200 that will come back,
00:40:29.220 which I think is Antichrist,
00:40:30.600 but also the system
00:40:32.100 that reigned.
00:40:32.880 When Satan was tempting
00:40:33.920 our Lord,
00:40:34.540 I'll give you the kingdoms
00:40:35.400 of the world,
00:40:36.360 this was the beast system.
00:40:38.020 This was the beast system
00:40:39.280 he was trying
00:40:39.820 to tempt our Lord with
00:40:40.900 through some other means
00:40:42.480 than the cross, okay?
00:40:44.040 Which is why Jesus
00:40:45.260 called Peter Satan
00:40:46.120 when Peter wanted
00:40:46.920 to prevent him
00:40:47.420 from being crucified.
00:40:49.280 So, St. John
00:40:49.960 in Apocalypse 17 or 18,
00:40:51.840 he refers to this beast
00:40:53.160 that is not,
00:40:54.620 so in 80, 90 is not,
00:40:57.180 that was,
00:40:58.980 so sometime before 80, 90 was,
00:41:01.700 and will be again, okay?
00:41:04.700 So, my personal opinion
00:41:06.360 is that that is
00:41:07.980 the pagan mystery system,
00:41:11.340 the ruling of demons
00:41:12.900 over humanity
00:41:13.820 through an active alliance
00:41:15.140 between them
00:41:15.920 and that the Catholic Church,
00:41:18.480 and they talk about this
00:41:19.500 in so many of their writings,
00:41:21.140 the Catholic Church
00:41:22.120 suppressed this.
00:41:23.600 Not perfectly,
00:41:24.560 this is not a utopia,
00:41:26.740 Christendom was not perfect,
00:41:28.000 there were problems,
00:41:28.820 there's human sin,
00:41:29.560 all that kind of stuff,
00:41:30.700 but the Catholic Church
00:41:32.200 suppressed this
00:41:33.140 and you see this
00:41:33.880 in all their writings.
00:41:35.180 They, again,
00:41:36.460 Albert Pike,
00:41:37.680 Manly P. Hall,
00:41:38.440 whatnot,
00:41:39.200 usually through subtle references,
00:41:40.440 but sometimes very overt.
00:41:42.020 They basically say,
00:41:42.680 yeah,
00:41:42.800 the Catholic Church
00:41:43.520 was keeping down
00:41:44.260 the enlightenment
00:41:44.760 of the human race,
00:41:45.560 it was keeping down
00:41:46.280 this gnosis
00:41:46.800 that we could all access
00:41:47.860 to do the sorts of stuff
00:41:50.060 we've been talking about,
00:41:51.100 but we're restoring that,
00:41:53.520 we're bringing it back,
00:41:55.600 and I personally believe
00:41:56.780 that's very,
00:41:57.580 very related
00:41:58.100 to the catacomb
00:41:58.980 no longer restraining.
00:42:01.320 I don't think
00:42:01.860 it's done restraining just yet,
00:42:03.480 but I think
00:42:03.980 my personal opinion
00:42:04.940 is it's getting quite close.
00:42:07.600 I can expand on that further,
00:42:08.840 but that's why I think
00:42:10.720 the Catholic Church
00:42:11.500 is their number one target.
00:42:13.160 Yeah,
00:42:13.340 they want to go after
00:42:14.120 Christians in general,
00:42:15.400 but they're very,
00:42:16.460 very clear
00:42:16.900 in many of their writings
00:42:17.980 that the big kahuna
00:42:19.440 is the Catholic Church.
00:42:21.560 Because frankly,
00:42:22.300 Protestantism doesn't have
00:42:23.200 the same view of grace
00:42:24.200 that we do.
00:42:25.280 You know,
00:42:25.440 Protestantism has
00:42:26.420 redefined grace
00:42:27.440 less as an ontological
00:42:28.800 reality
00:42:30.540 and more as a legal construct.
00:42:32.440 It's like,
00:42:33.420 yeah,
00:42:33.720 well,
00:42:34.640 demons are not threatened
00:42:35.480 by legal constructs
00:42:36.740 as much as they are
00:42:37.680 changed souls,
00:42:38.760 souls that actually
00:42:39.560 are infused
00:42:41.140 with the grace of God,
00:42:42.220 right?
00:42:42.740 So,
00:42:43.460 yeah,
00:42:43.740 they want to go after
00:42:44.340 Protestantism,
00:42:44.860 but frankly,
00:42:45.300 there's a long history
00:42:46.060 of Protestant ministers
00:42:46.940 being Masons
00:42:47.920 and not having a problem
00:42:48.880 with it.
00:42:49.580 You know,
00:42:49.700 many of the early
00:42:50.300 American ministers
00:42:51.100 were Freemasons
00:42:52.060 and no one had a problem
00:42:52.920 with it.
00:42:53.220 They didn't see it
00:42:53.800 as incompatible
00:42:54.960 with Christianity.
00:42:57.220 And then the Popes
00:42:58.400 have always declaimed
00:42:59.520 Freemasonry
00:43:00.120 from,
00:43:00.520 I think,
00:43:00.820 1738 was the first one.
00:43:02.460 I have a whole list
00:43:03.280 of all the papal statements
00:43:04.800 against Freemasonry,
00:43:05.740 but this is why.
00:43:06.940 The Catholic Church
00:43:08.000 is the big kahuna
00:43:08.780 in the room
00:43:09.380 because it is the one
00:43:11.080 that suppressed
00:43:11.740 this pagan mystery system.
00:43:13.360 One more point.
00:43:14.280 When you read
00:43:14.760 the Church Fathers,
00:43:16.260 it's very,
00:43:16.720 very interesting.
00:43:17.280 I have a set
00:43:17.760 of like references
00:43:18.660 I'm building
00:43:19.360 about the building
00:43:20.700 of the Catacon.
00:43:22.320 There are all sorts
00:43:23.280 of stories
00:43:23.860 in the Church Fathers
00:43:24.800 about encounters
00:43:26.420 between the priesthood
00:43:27.580 and, you know,
00:43:28.820 the demonic,
00:43:29.500 frankly.
00:43:30.360 I don't necessarily
00:43:31.380 believe every single one.
00:43:32.840 Not every single one
00:43:33.640 is retold
00:43:34.760 by a saint
00:43:35.300 or whatever,
00:43:36.300 but literally
00:43:37.580 the demonic speaking,
00:43:40.380 causing statues
00:43:41.140 to speak,
00:43:41.940 false miracles,
00:43:42.820 magicians.
00:43:43.500 One of the most
00:43:44.000 famous stories
00:43:44.720 that was widely
00:43:45.380 believed by early Catholics
00:43:46.640 was this encounter
00:43:47.960 between St. Paul
00:43:48.720 and St. Peter
00:43:49.300 with Simon Magus
00:43:50.280 before Nero,
00:43:51.580 I believe.
00:43:52.380 Simon Magus,
00:43:53.160 you know,
00:43:53.340 Magus coming
00:43:53.800 from Magician
00:43:54.540 and the prayers
00:43:56.580 of the Apostles
00:43:57.480 stopped him,
00:43:58.280 right?
00:43:58.740 So there's this,
00:43:59.460 as the Church
00:44:00.080 is expanding,
00:44:01.520 that was one
00:44:02.120 of the key apologetics
00:44:03.140 that people like Augustine
00:44:04.320 and others would say,
00:44:05.340 Eusebius would say
00:44:06.180 to the pagans,
00:44:06.780 like,
00:44:07.060 look at these prophecies
00:44:08.180 from the Old Testament
00:44:08.960 and look at what's
00:44:09.940 happening all around you.
00:44:10.820 The pagan altars
00:44:11.540 are falling,
00:44:12.060 the temples are falling,
00:44:13.360 and then there are
00:44:13.980 a number of stories
00:44:14.720 where like in Alexandria,
00:44:16.040 I believe Sosamin
00:44:16.800 was the historian
00:44:17.920 who talked about this,
00:44:18.960 they uncovered
00:44:19.680 these pagan
00:44:20.560 chambers of doom,
00:44:22.860 I guess you could call them,
00:44:24.000 where literally
00:44:25.000 as the pagan system
00:44:25.920 was dying,
00:44:26.540 they found chambers
00:44:27.880 that were full
00:44:28.540 of dead bodies.
00:44:29.920 And even as
00:44:30.640 there were pagan emperors
00:44:32.220 like Licinius,
00:44:34.060 he was confronting
00:44:35.560 Constantine
00:44:36.220 right before their
00:44:37.480 final battle,
00:44:38.320 he's cutting open
00:44:39.260 pregnant women,
00:44:40.620 and not to be too graphic,
00:44:41.680 but he's cutting open
00:44:42.380 pregnant women,
00:44:43.140 cutting open their children
00:44:44.040 and reading their entrails.
00:44:45.680 I mean,
00:44:46.340 to try and figure out
00:44:47.540 if he could get an omen
00:44:48.420 for the battle.
00:44:49.480 I mean,
00:44:49.700 so there's this constant
00:44:50.600 struggle with this pagan
00:44:51.440 mystery system.
00:44:52.000 And then when you look
00:44:52.900 at what the church
00:44:53.420 was suppressing
00:44:54.000 even during the medieval period,
00:44:55.580 not to say everything
00:44:56.380 was right and just,
00:44:57.700 of course,
00:44:58.480 but it was suppressing
00:45:01.380 women and witchcraft
00:45:03.660 and sorcery
00:45:04.480 that was constantly
00:45:05.840 about abortion,
00:45:07.040 constantly about contraception,
00:45:08.660 sacrificing children.
00:45:09.820 Now,
00:45:09.960 why would they want to do that?
00:45:11.400 Well,
00:45:11.580 frankly,
00:45:11.960 I think this is how
00:45:13.040 the demonic
00:45:13.600 locks the human will
00:45:15.840 into their own agenda.
00:45:17.180 If it's like,
00:45:17.640 if I can get you
00:45:18.240 to kill a child,
00:45:19.860 then I've got you.
00:45:20.600 There's literally
00:45:21.440 nothing else
00:45:22.000 you won't do
00:45:22.660 at that point.
00:45:23.840 So,
00:45:24.280 yeah,
00:45:25.040 this is a big topic,
00:45:26.180 but everywhere,
00:45:27.260 this is why they see
00:45:28.000 the Catholic Church
00:45:28.780 as the great,
00:45:29.800 and frankly,
00:45:31.240 the alliance
00:45:32.200 between the temporal
00:45:32.980 and the spiritual powers
00:45:34.400 that the churches
00:45:35.180 always believe
00:45:35.780 were the source
00:45:36.200 of lawfulness,
00:45:37.900 not perfection,
00:45:39.020 but lawfulness.
00:45:40.620 They want to destroy
00:45:41.640 that alliance
00:45:42.520 between throne and altar.
00:45:43.740 They always did.
00:45:44.800 And by the way,
00:45:45.280 I'm not here saying,
00:45:45.980 I'm not a monarchist.
00:45:46.840 I'm fine with monarchy,
00:45:47.700 but I'm fine
00:45:49.180 with a constitutional republic.
00:45:51.460 But that's what
00:45:52.180 they wanted to destroy,
00:45:53.040 the alliance
00:45:53.540 between temporal
00:45:54.940 and spiritual.
00:45:56.120 And so I think
00:45:56.720 the catacon
00:45:57.220 is likely Christendom.
00:45:58.660 It's the church.
00:45:59.940 It's the sources
00:46:01.520 of lawfulness
00:46:02.360 that oppose
00:46:03.020 the coming
00:46:03.480 of the man
00:46:03.980 of lawlessness.
00:46:05.720 And so when that catacon
00:46:06.700 stops restraining,
00:46:08.440 we know what comes next.
00:46:10.620 And it certainly seems
00:46:11.920 that there's a case
00:46:12.540 to be made
00:46:12.940 that it's getting
00:46:13.820 closer and closer
00:46:14.540 to no longer restraining.
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