The John-Henry Westen Show - God Gave Me a MIRACLE - PROPHETIC ANSWER for Our Time

00:00:00.000 the final battle between God and man, between the church and the Antichrist, would be for marriage 0.96

00:00:08.160 and family. Hello, my friends, and welcome to the John Henry Weston Show, where I have a very

00:00:14.760 special guest who is probably known to many of you. Dr. Christine Bacon is with us, and she does a

00:00:21.800 show that, as ours is, sometimes filled with prophecy from Fatima to the present day. Many

00:00:28.520 people have tuned into her to see what heaven is speaking. But she has this ministry, which is

00:00:35.680 incredible, about standing for marriage. They're called the Sacred Standards, and we're going to

00:00:44.480 hear about that because it's a ministry that's so needed in the church today. It's one that is

00:00:50.160 probably misunderstood because it's about fidelity to your marriage vows, even when your husband or

00:00:57.920 your wife, who remain your husband or wife, by the way, no longer are with you and have chosen to

00:01:04.220 leave you and join themselves to someone else, perhaps. And Christine is not about, oh, that's

00:01:12.700 okay. We'll be able to go on and have, you know, there might be an Amoris Laetitia way for you

00:01:21.000 forward. It's not about that. It's about remaining faithful, standing faithful despite the hardships.

00:01:30.100 You're going to want to stay tuned to this show because it might very well give you the answer

00:01:34.640 you need, and it might change the rest of your life. Dr. Christine Bacon, so good to be with you.

00:01:39.720 Thank you, John Henry. I'm always honored. You're my favorite news person. Thank you for the work you

00:01:45.220 are doing. Speaking truth. We're in the same business. Amen. Let's begin as we always do with

00:01:49.960 the sign of the cross. In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen.

00:01:57.680 So, Christine, tell us a little bit about this work. I think a lot of our fans will know you for

00:02:03.260 your prophecy work, but in this area, they won't. How did you get to this, and what do you do?

00:02:08.900 I'm going to tell it as short as I can. I got married in 1983. I was very happy. I left my husband,

00:02:15.000 in 1987. I had an affair. We were apart four years. We got back together by God's grace.

00:02:21.560 So, it's funny. I realized my husband was the original stander, and we never knew it.

00:02:25.600 And I struggled in my marriage for many, many years. So, I went back to college, and I got my

00:02:30.640 bachelor's, master's, PhD, all in marriage communication. And my PhD, my doctoral dissertation

00:02:36.940 was humor as a communication strategy in military marriage. I studied everything about the happy parts

00:02:42.920 of marriage humor. But there was one question on that survey that had nothing to do with humor,

00:02:47.300 and it simply said, rate your marriage. It was a seven-point scale from extremely unhappy

00:02:51.840 to extremely happy and perfect. And I was shocked that over 35% of people checked the extremely happy

00:02:59.560 box, and nine even checked perfect, what I'm thinking. But that's crazy. I wasn't even checking

00:03:04.320 the happy box yet. So, after I cried at my keyboard, and I wondered what they had that was different,

00:03:10.460 and the Lord said, go find out. So, I started interviewing those, what I call supercouples,

00:03:15.340 to find out if there was a formula or if it was accidental. There absolutely was a formula. I

00:03:20.980 praised God. The formula, and now here's the connection with sacred, S-A-C-R-E-D. That's why 0.94

00:03:26.600 we're the sacred standards. And so, you know, my book, The Supercouple, talks about that formula

00:03:31.800 for extreme happiness. And as I realized sacred, selflessness, attentiveness, communication,

00:03:37.660 respect, encouragement, deliberateness, it not only covered intact marriages, it covered

00:03:44.260 marriages that were broken apart as well, if you want to win your spouse back. So, as I was finishing

00:03:50.260 up that book, and I won't give too many details, my marriage was getting really good because we

00:03:56.180 practiced the sacred formula. But then my daughter left her husband, and it was as if Satan was saying,

00:04:02.380 I can't win this marriage anymore, let me move on to another. And my son-in-law came to me, he's like,

00:04:07.900 what do I do? What do I do? I want to continue to stay married. And so, that actually was the birth

00:04:15.760 of sacred standards, though I didn't realize it yet. There was another man at my church who the Lord

00:04:21.160 said, go talk to him. His wife has just left him. The funny thing is, is I knew his wife, but I didn't

00:04:26.700 know him. I didn't even know what he looked like. But the Lord said, go. And I was like, Lord, he goes,

00:04:31.020 go. He didn't sound exactly like that, but. So, I found this man, and I said, do you want to reconcile

00:04:36.700 your marriage? And he's like, who are you? And of course I do, but she needs to want to. And the

00:04:43.020 boldness the Lord gave me, I really have, I'm not a saint, but I see myself as the Joan of Arc for marriage

00:04:51.160 because I want to be as courageous as Joan. And the Lord gave me the words to say, well, we don't need

00:04:56.280 her to want to reconcile. As long as you want to reconcile, it's very possible. Which was intriguing

00:05:01.760 to him, and intriguing to another woman who was a friend. And the Lord said, have a meeting. Have a

00:05:07.480 meeting. And I said, why would people want, I'm arguing with God because I didn't want to do this.

00:05:12.860 Why would people want to meet in my living room and talk about this most painful part of their lives?

00:05:18.820 And yet, he said, do it very lovingly. Good father. So, the four of us met in my living room,

00:05:24.360 August of 2016. And it ended up being such an edifying meeting. They asked if they could meet

00:05:31.000 the next month. And we met each month after that, since 2016. We got up to about 25 people because

00:05:38.580 we now, our reputation was getting out and local people were asking to come. And then some people

00:05:43.560 in Ohio, Bay McFarland's group, found out and they said, can we conference call in? Sure, why not?

00:05:49.680 So, it was growing. But people, John Henry, had this desire, this need inside their souls. I need

00:06:00.100 someone to understand what I'm going through. And we were that community. And then COVID hit.

00:06:05.940 I had to find Zoom, and God exploded it. And we are now over 500 people from every state and 10

00:06:14.540 countries. And we meet monthly. Sometimes we meet once a year, still at my house, for those who can

00:06:21.980 come from around the country. And we fight to reconcile our marriages. But here's the thing.

00:06:30.600 We have to get to this point, John Henry, and I apologize for doing so much talking. I'll turn it

00:06:34.800 back over to you. We want to reconcile our marriages. And that's why we join the group. And by the way,

00:06:43.120 I say we, even though I'm about to celebrate my 42nd wedding anniversary, and my husband and I are

00:06:48.660 happily married. So, praise God. But we have to get to the point, and this is what the Lord has given me,

00:06:54.380 and I so humbly have been, you know, elected as their leader by the Holy Spirit, is the phrase I say

00:07:01.520 to them is, if your spouse never comes back, are you still going to stand? Are you still going to choose

00:07:07.380 God? And when we get to that point, that's when we are fully surrendered. We are finally like,

00:07:13.080 I am a stander, regardless of the outcome. So, there's so much more I could say, but I'll leave

00:07:18.900 it up to you at this point. Wow. Beautiful. Well, one of the things I really want to talk about is

00:07:24.700 actually this list you presented just before the show started. It was the 25 rules for standers.

00:07:33.840 What are those? And tell me why they're so powerful. This is one of the things that people

00:07:38.160 love about your movement. What is it, and where can they find it?

00:07:44.440 So, first of all, my website is breakfastwithbacon.com. That's the name of my podcast that I have,

00:07:50.940 apart from the one that I do with Christine Watkins, which is Find Your Way Home. And this one,

00:07:56.320 I talk a lot, still about some prophetic things, but a lot of marriage things, purgatory,

00:08:00.800 so kind of cross over there. And there are some Protestant standards organizations out there. Shout

00:08:07.480 out to Charlene Steinkamp, who she and her husband saved many marriages after their reconciliation.

00:08:13.220 They started theirs, Rejoice Marriage Ministries. And I had the Holy Spirit download what I'm about

00:08:20.820 to read to you, some of them. And I uploaded it to Charlene Steinkamp's website. Actually, I sent it to

00:08:26.640 them, and they published it. And that's when people started just coming. Because here's another thing,

00:08:31.480 before I give you any of the rules. People are always told to love, but are never told how to love.

00:08:38.580 They're told, you know, stand for your marriage. Well, how do I do that? And one of the gifts God gave

00:08:44.500 me is to give practical ways of doing it. And so, as the Lord was downloading, He was giving me Bible

00:08:51.680 verses and saying, here are the rules. So, do you mind if I read a couple of them, then?

00:08:57.020 Please do.

00:08:57.960 So, the first one, John Henry, I think is the most important. It said,

00:09:02.160 never respond to hatred and anger with hatred and anger. I'm not going to give you all the Bible 0.95

00:09:08.020 verses, because if you go to my website, you'll see that after every one of these, there's at least

00:09:12.320 one Bible verse associated. So, with this one, Luke 6, 27 through 28, and Ephesians 4, 31 through 38.

00:09:19.400 But you think about this. We are not fighting against our spouses. Our spouses are not the

00:09:24.380 enemies. Our spouses are like prisoners of war, trapped in some kind of cage, and they're trying 0.93

00:09:31.080 to escape. They fell in a trap. They got caught. Satan is the captor. So, Satan knows how to latch

00:09:38.120 onto hatred and anger. So, if you lob some kind of nasty comment to your spouse who's just said

00:09:44.860 something nasty to you, Satan can chew on that, and he can take you towards hell. So, if your spouse

00:09:51.520 says something nasty to you, and by the way, these standards rules, as I said to you before we went on

00:09:56.320 the air, cover anyone with a prodigal, whether you have a child on drugs, or a prodigal sibling, or

00:10:01.960 any estranged family member or friend. These rules work, because we're talking about prodigals,

00:10:07.760 and we are to be more like the prodigal father. So, if a spouse sends me a nasty text message like, 0.99

00:10:14.500 you're just the worst spouse ever. I'm so glad I left you. And have the kids ready at six o'clock 0.95

00:10:20.940 when I get there. I teach them to ignore the nasty parts and just say, little Johnny and Jenny will be

00:10:27.620 ready. And by the way, I have, I made some chili, and I'm going to send it out with them. Because,

00:10:33.580 you know, chili's your spouse's favorite meal. Now, whether he or she receives the chili,

00:10:39.940 or even hears your words, they are stymied, because Satan can't latch onto kindness and love.

00:10:48.480 And he just, he scratches his head. He's like, what do I do with that? What do I do with that?

00:10:53.460 So, teaching that is actually, I'm sure everybody watching has an example of someone who's been nasty

00:10:59.040 to them. It disempowers Satan. And, and you win. First of all, you recognize Satan in it right

00:11:06.840 away, which is amazing, because that's actually what it is. Even though the other party really

00:11:12.580 probably doesn't know it. But everything in you says respond in kind. How in the world do you not

00:11:20.140 do that? Well, you have to recognize it is your flesh, or your spirit. And when your flesh wins,

00:11:26.840 your spirit loses. And when your spirit wins, your flesh loses. And so many people that are

00:11:32.720 attracted to this ministry have, at some point, like you, and I don't even have to ask you, but I

00:11:39.080 know you've prayed a prayer that says, Lord, help me to be a better Christian, a better Catholic.

00:11:45.040 Take me to that next level. I'm ready. And so, I know that they've prayed this. So, then I say,

00:11:50.700 do you want your flesh to win? Because God is about to take you to this next level.

00:11:56.180 And you need to strengthen your spirit in the gym, just like you would strengthen your flesh.

00:12:01.160 And it needs to win. So, they recognize that. And they're like, oh, okay, you're right. I'll be nice.

00:12:07.700 Even though they've just been super nasty to me. So, number four says, never respond as

00:12:14.300 everyone else tells you to respond. Romans 16, 17, right? Because everyone is telling us,

00:12:23.740 you deserve to be happy. Don't you let him talk to you like that. Don't you let her treat you that way.

00:12:31.280 Well, everyone else, John Henry, is not often educated in truth. So, we are to be good learners.

00:12:39.160 We are to be good listeners and open to learning. But you've got to be careful of who your teachers

00:12:45.020 are. And if your teachers are people who don't know the subject matter, they're going to give

00:12:50.320 you false information. So, everybody else would call your lawyer. But what would Christ do? So,

00:12:59.040 if people are saying you deserve to be happy, here's another one that they kind of get stopped

00:13:03.180 when I say it. But everyone appreciates this comment. Because it's truth. And I say,

00:13:08.820 no, you don't. You deserve to burn in hell. You are a sinner saved by grace, just like I am. 1.00

00:13:16.400 So, if you ask for what you deserve, you deserve the ugly treatment. And I'm sure it did that to you

00:13:23.200 as well. You're like, yeah, you're right. I do deserve that. So, everyone else doesn't know that.

00:13:29.500 If you have a good spiritual director, and he or she is very well formed in the faith,

00:13:35.900 well, then you might be listening to them. You should probably listen to a good and holy priest

00:13:41.200 who teaches truth on marriage. And that's a whole different subject. Because as we know,

00:13:46.860 they're not always guiding us correctly in terms of the Catholic faith. Number five, never think of

00:13:52.900 yourself as the good guy and your prodigal spouse or child or friend as the bad guy. And something

00:13:59.440 about a speck and a plank comes to mind when I see that one. Because you're a happily married man,

00:14:06.240 but I know you've been married many years. And you've probably had some fights with your beautiful

00:14:10.800 bride. And in our fights, if they're the ones that are truly at fault, they're the ones who

00:14:17.160 did the thing that caused you to be late for the event or whatever. In the case of infidelity,

00:14:25.360 or breakup and marriage, which infidelity is most often the case, we can always say that the person

00:14:31.120 is 90% at fault. But you still have 10% of the fault. So, when you look at it and go, you know what,

00:14:37.820 even though he left me, even though she left me, I'm still not a good guy. I'm a sinner. And I need to

00:14:45.200 remember that. And that John Henry will help you continue to see your spouse with eyes of love

00:14:52.880 and see them as a good guy and see them as someone who's just got lost. Might I ask you,

00:14:58.880 did you see the Chronicle of Narnia movie? You did, right? Yes. Remember the little guy,

00:15:03.640 was it Edmund was the young guy? Peter was the older one, right? Yeah. Do you remember when he met

00:15:09.280 the witch from the South? And she's like, what would you like? And he said, Turkish delight.

00:15:13.860 And he sat there and he, he just was, oh, it tastes so good. And then every sin is sweet in

00:15:20.400 the beginning. But then later we see him trapped in a jail because he's like, how did I fall for that?

00:15:25.200 So, just seeing your spouse, again, goes to my earlier analogy, they just fell in a trap of their

00:15:32.100 own sin. And so, try to see them as the good person who made a bad choice.

00:15:36.840 All of these, at least the ones so far, they all apply to a marriage that's not broken up.

00:15:43.380 Everything you do in these rules would work, so to speak, in your regular marriage. Imagine

00:15:50.720 you're not, in other words, non-separated marriage, or as you said, the relationship with your kids.

00:15:55.580 And this is why people love your examples, because they're so practical. That example of

00:16:01.760 you make the chili for them, because they love chili. You don't even say that they love the

00:16:08.360 chili. You're just packing it with them for them. That's brilliantly beautiful. It's something that, 0.98

00:16:17.780 honestly, take, I'm talking to our listeners for a second, just take that to heart, because

00:16:22.760 there's so much wisdom wrapped up in that one little thing. And it sounds little, and it's not

00:16:28.520 little. It's so much beauty. To respond with love, to take and recognize, I'm sort of jumbling all

00:16:36.300 yours together, because they form one whole, even though they're all separate rules. To recognize in

00:16:40.440 yourself the deserving of hell, and so joyfully taking that on and responding in love. Just so

00:16:48.840 beautiful. I'm sorry, I'm a little bit overwhelmed, but you go on. Go ahead.

00:16:52.400 You know, if I had to sum it up, because I've been talking about these 25 rules for nearly,

00:16:57.080 well, a decade, sadly. This is what we got from Jesus. As I read these rules, I want you to

00:17:02.260 contemplate this. What, and actually want you to think about a divorce. So for those of you watching,

00:17:08.280 and your spouse has left you, this is what Jesus did. When the offended humbles himself before the

00:17:16.340 offender, it steals every power. It becomes the most Christ-like you can ever be, because Jesus was

00:17:28.080 offended. When Jesus was on that cross, he saw the affair I had had. It's 1986. And he humbled himself

00:17:35.320 before me. And just having come off of Divine Mercy Sunday, I could just cry. And he humbled himself

00:17:42.360 before sex traffickers who are hurting children right now. And he humbled himself before the greatest

00:17:49.200 of sinners. He was offended. And so he stole all of Satan's power. And this is what God is allowing me

00:17:56.780 in sacred standards to teach to you and to everyone. Again, I apply specifically to marriage.

00:18:04.400 But we have to learn to humble ourselves before our offenders. It leaves them completely powerless,

00:18:11.400 and we are most like Christ when we're doing that. Isn't that amazing?

00:18:17.180 It is. And this is that weird reversal. It is the power of God in humility. And that is,

00:18:25.060 it sounds insane in the world, but when you explain it like that, it actually makes sense. And that first

00:18:31.040 example just is so powerful. The idea that you can strip from, and it is true, you see it build.

00:18:39.260 If you respond in kind, if you respond with the anger, it's just an avalanche. But you just remove

00:18:46.060 it with love. And boy, even if they try again and again, you must have stories of heroic spouses who

00:18:55.520 have not only once, but they come back with anger anyway, despite friendly responses. How do you

00:19:00.780 counsel them then?

00:19:01.400 Oh my gosh. I remind them that the grace that they are bringing their spouse closer to God,

00:19:07.480 closer to heaven, and their spouse doesn't yet realize it. But what, there's also this spark,

00:19:12.280 because the offending spouse sees it. And my favorite word is befuddled. Because I've just

00:19:19.260 been nasty to you. You've just been loving to me. And I'm just like, why? Which then, John Henry,

00:19:25.980 because you're being like Christ, and Christ is love, and love is the most attractive force on

00:19:30.320 earth, it attracts you to your prodigal spouse, whether they want it or not. It's crazy. It's

00:19:39.280 logical. If I'm being like Christ, they're attracted to me and they don't want to be. And so I find them

00:19:46.180 wanting to talk to the spouses more often, or find out what's going on, or they'll sit together at the

00:19:55.160 baseball game of their child, or in the past they sat separately. And so I'll see all these crazy

00:20:00.460 things happen. I have one stander, and I know he watches the show. He actually got stitches in his

00:20:10.520 hand, and he told the doctor not to give him anesthesia. And he said he wanted to offer every

00:20:16.580 pain up for his prodigal spouse. She was affected by that, whether she knows it or not. First of all,

00:20:26.580 because they're one flesh. And Father Robert Altier's book describes that wonderfully. If you've

00:20:32.540 not had him on, you should. But he said there's actually the soul, the souls have been tied together.

00:20:39.880 So if my soul and my husband's soul are tied together, one person pulls one way, it's necessarily

00:20:45.200 going to affect the other. And so one of the things I do, and I have fantastic mentors now in my group

00:20:51.800 that help in the small groups, is that's what we do is we teach people that everything you do when you

00:20:58.600 are in a covenant marriage, when you're in a true marriage, affects your spouse. And if you're truly

00:21:03.560 a Catholic, if you're truly a Christian, and you're going to put your money where your mouth is,

00:21:07.660 every single prayer has a equal and opposite reaction. You pray hard, there's a hard reaction

00:21:16.320 to it. We just have to be people of faith and say, well, just because you don't see it with your

00:21:20.600 eyes, so what? God answers every prayer and immediately. And so when I and my team start

00:21:28.560 training new standards that this is what's happening, it's actually a lesson in their faith

00:21:34.640 going, yeah, you're right. Yeah, you're right. I guess I have to believe what I've been preaching

00:21:39.440 all these years. The most repeated phrase in scripture is do not be afraid. We are called

00:21:46.380 to speak the truth, to proclaim the gospel, and to live our lives without fear. For the past three

00:21:52.980 years, we've brought this mission to the very heart of the church. At the Rome Life Forum, you won't

00:21:59.820 just hear truth proclaimed. You'll have the chance to ask your questions directly to the speakers.

00:22:05.440 This is your opportunity to engage, to challenge, and to go deeper into the battles we face today.

00:22:12.460 Fear not, her immaculate heart will triumph.

00:22:17.420 One of the things that happens, especially today, is that even in the church, I might even say

00:22:25.060 especially in the church, you're encouraged. If you're in a situation where your spouse has left

00:22:30.700 and it is their fault or partially your fault, but it's their fault, whatever, you're right away

00:22:38.180 encouraged to, and I'm talking even for Catholics, the whole divorce thing, now that we're post-Amoris 0.93

00:22:45.540 de Tizia, sadly to say, it really does seem like a Catholic form of divorce. That's sort of,

00:22:51.060 yeah, it's okay at some point, you know, and it's all good. How do you fight that? Because I know you

00:22:58.780 do, and it's one of those things that it really does put you sometimes on the seemingly the outskirts

00:23:05.480 of the church, even. One of the things that I want to do and what our group is trying to do

00:23:10.220 is we're trying to get a standards ministry in every church. I did a video once that said,

00:23:17.100 replace your divorce care with a standards ministry. Because, and even if there's good

00:23:24.260 priests and bad priests, right, but for both, they have nothing. And so the first thing our priests

00:23:31.300 are taught are, we'll get an annulment. And so we have to go teach them that the pain doesn't go away

00:23:39.540 and just because you get an annulment. And so one of the things, one of the facets of what we do

00:23:45.360 is educate, educate. And I would love to get in front of seminarians. I'd love to get in front of

00:23:50.920 our deacons because those are the ones that work most closely with couples that are breaking apart

00:23:56.440 and struggling. The ones that aren't breaking apart, but just struggling. If they understand the truth

00:24:01.540 of what marriage is, and if you have just one person saying you can make this work, people latch

00:24:10.140 onto that. I've had many, many, many, many people say to me, my spouse has left me or is leaving me.

00:24:16.380 And this person, this person, this person, and this person all said to move on. But one person said,

00:24:21.840 no, you can do this. And ironically, John Henry, they latch onto that one person because they want

00:24:27.280 hope that their marriage is true and valid and worth fighting for and that possible to fight for.

00:24:34.660 And I know it's a little bit of a diversion from what you asked me, but this is what we have to try

00:24:41.720 to do is get this into churches. And I want to say something that I don't want to forget to say

00:24:47.980 is that people watching, I need you to support standards. And here's why.

00:24:55.320 With the over 500 people we have in our group, and it's just one group, right? We have said,

00:25:03.380 I have said that standing is the hardest thing you'll ever have to do apart from perhaps the

00:25:09.760 death of a child. And that's because when your child dies, you can cry about it 10 years later,

00:25:16.240 and everyone will still come and hug you. If your spouse leaves you, they'll come hug you for the

00:25:21.140 first six months. But after that, they say, move on, get over yourself. You're deluded. We get called

00:25:26.460 names. We get called names from our families, from our, sometimes our children, not that often,

00:25:32.960 but our kids tainted by the world will say, oh, mom, dad, dad's happy. You may as well just go. Okay.

00:25:38.620 But that's a separate subject. So we have two women in my group alone, whose children have died.

00:25:45.820 One died at the age of 18. One died at the age of 39. And both of those women say, standing for your

00:25:51.980 marriage is harder than the death of their child. We have another man in our group who was sexually

00:25:56.740 molested by a priest for decades. And he's actually part of a class action lawsuit. And he just

00:26:01.760 got money. And it was a very despicable thing that happened to him. And he said, standing for my

00:26:08.200 marriage is more painful than the sexual abuse perpetrated upon me by that priest. And lastly,

00:26:14.140 have another woman who chimed up at our last meeting and said, I have stage four cancer and

00:26:21.260 standing for my marriage is harder. I just want everyone to know that. That's how hard it is

00:26:28.220 because we're going against not only a secular culture, but we're going against a Christian 0.67

00:26:33.240 culture that has begun to accept divorce is just a thing. My own father had to deal with himself

00:26:39.220 after my mom left when I was 18. And so it was something that I'm used to seeing in my own

00:26:49.060 family. But basically, you're still married, but not by anyone else's standard. Your group, though,

00:26:58.200 even though it is made up of people standing, has actually had some reconciliations through the

00:27:06.120 process of what you're doing. Tell me about that. Well, we've had, and these are the ones I've

00:27:11.180 counted because a lot of people, once they've gotten the nourishment from the group, once they've

00:27:17.440 surrendered and like, I'm standing till the day I die, regardless, some of them don't need sacred

00:27:23.380 standards. So they just stand on their own. So we lose contact. But of the ones that we've talked,

00:27:28.360 I've had over 38 reconciliations already of people who had once said, I will never get back with you. 0.96

00:27:35.420 I hate you. You're the worst thing that ever happened to me. And they're reconciled. They're 0.99

00:27:40.540 having children again together. We've had people who, the spouse, I think of a man over in another

00:27:47.580 country, left his wife, married the other woman, divorced the other woman because the Holy Spirit,

00:27:55.460 actually I have a couple of those, and came back to his wife. So there's several of them where the

00:28:00.460 spouse is divorced, entered into a fake second marriage, and then come back. We've had people

00:28:05.840 who have had children with the other woman or the other man, and they've come back. And so often 0.52

00:28:10.440 they've come back to God. Most of the time they've come back to God first. And that's why I tell my

00:28:15.460 standards, your job at first is to get your spouse to heaven. And if you had to choose between getting

00:28:21.120 your spouse to heaven or getting them back into your house and your bed and your marriage,

00:28:24.960 which would you pick? And as they mature in their stand, they're like, I just want my spouse in

00:28:29.560 heaven. Well, those kind of prayers, especially from someone whom with you are one flesh, they can't 0.61

00:28:35.040 be overpowered. And it's amazing because I've just seen so many relationships. I wish I could give you

00:28:43.120 the details. I wish I could give you the names and some of them will speak, but it's just wonderful

00:28:49.340 to see them then go on and their children and their family members will say to them, I never thought

00:28:55.400 that you guys would reconcile. And yet you did. And then when they have a brother-in-law that leaves

00:29:01.180 or a sister-in-law, they come to the reconciled stander or even the unreconciled stander, John Henry,

00:29:07.840 and they say, will you stand with me? What do I do? It's beautiful.

00:29:11.980 When people tell you this ministry is so sad, how do you reply?

00:29:18.480 There is a love and a joy. There's something wonderful that happens when even they come in at the beginning

00:29:25.040 of their stand. Our newbies, those are the ones that phrases have been used like just after the bomb drop

00:29:30.300 or just after they found out. They come in so raw and they just talk about, well, we'll come back.

00:29:37.660 What if there's another man? What do I do? What is he like? What does she like?

00:29:40.040 And so the team comes around them and they just circle them and they hold them. And we all say,

00:29:45.760 one of the rules of the group is you never tell people what to do. We always turn you towards the

00:29:51.420 Holy Spirit, right? So what did the Holy Spirit say to you when you asked him that question? But

00:29:55.500 we will guide them how to pray, how to ask God specific questions, get specific answers. You know,

00:30:02.280 is the Holy Spirit saying that you should go check the phone records? Maybe, maybe not. Is the Holy

00:30:07.220 Spirit saying that you should make yourself available to your spouse physically, even though

00:30:12.460 he's living with another woman when he comes to visit the kids? Maybe, maybe not. But they have

00:30:17.560 this team of people that come and wrap themselves around them and they say, you as a Catholic would

00:30:23.760 get this. We talk about the beauty of suffering. And when you can suffer from someone else, and this is

00:30:31.900 why the Catholic Church is so beautiful, offers so much, even the Protestants in the group, because

00:30:38.800 we have Protestants and Catholics, though we're mostly Catholic at this point. I even tell my

00:30:43.720 Protestants, you're latent Catholics, because Catholic Church is the only one that stands on the truth 1.00

00:30:48.940 of marriage. All the other churches have left. But they teach them that when you suffer,

00:30:57.560 you are getting souls to heaven. You are getting souls to the church. You are releasing souls from

00:31:04.440 purgatory. You are getting your spouse who, if your spouse right now died in a state of mortal sin,

00:31:10.920 because he or she is sleeping with another person, there's a good chance they're going to hell because

00:31:15.380 they're in mortal sin. But if you can offer your prayers so that they can come to heaven, you,

00:31:21.760 John Henry, I am amazed at the transformations in people's hearts when I go, they go,

00:31:27.200 I know that he's sinning against me, but I love him so much. I just want him to go to heaven.

00:31:33.220 That's the power of God that just stuns me, even today, 10, 11 years later. And I go, that's what

00:31:40.640 God did to transform you. He took the ugliest, the most hurtful thing in your life, and he made you a

00:31:47.340 person who would say, if I have to pick between my spouse or God, I pick you, Jesus, and have joy.

00:31:53.280 Wow.

00:31:53.880 It's amazing. This ministry is for more than just marriages.

00:31:59.720 Stunning. How did you get to what you're very well known for, the work in prophecy? How does this

00:32:07.400 relate in any way?

00:32:08.740 So that's a really wonderful question because my work with Countdown to the Kingdom and Christine

00:32:14.100 Watkins and Mark and Daniel, and I always felt like the least of these because they're so smart and

00:32:20.400 they're journalists and philosophers and trained theologians. And I have a PhD, I get it. But

00:32:26.960 what the Lord spoke to me within the past couple of years, he actually said to me, for those of you

00:32:33.420 watching, I know your viewers know this, but Cardinal Kafara had spoken to Pope St. John Paul II, who had

00:32:39.900 spoken to Lucia, one of the Fatima seers. And our lady had said to Lucia de los Santos, the final battle,

00:32:48.640 and I've heard you say this on your show, the final battle for between God and man, between the

00:32:56.040 church and the Antichrist would be for marriage and family. And so I kind of went, God has put me on 0.54

00:33:04.360 the forefront. This is it. If you are not fighting for your marriage right now, then you've got to

00:33:13.100 understand you are allowing Satan, the biggest stronghold he can get. We have got to do our part

00:33:21.140 in stopping the Antichrist from when he makes his appearance. The more divided families out there,

00:33:27.000 the better he will do. The more that we learn to fight for marriage, to fight for our sisters or our

00:33:33.640 brothers' marriages or our children's marriages. By the way, in our group, we have parent standards,

00:33:37.880 which is what I am, with people standing because they have a transgender child or spouse or something.

00:33:44.080 But this is the final battle. This is prophetic. And our eyes are open. My eyes are open. And I'm

00:33:52.180 hoping that your viewers' eyes are opened to reconcile this isn't just about some people wanting their

00:33:59.200 spouse back in their marriage. This is the final battle. And we need to do this for our children

00:34:04.500 and our grandchildren. Oh, one last thing. Some of my couples have reconciled. Their children have

00:34:12.700 gone through difficulties and they have said, articulated that they're going to fight for

00:34:17.600 their marriages too, because I saw mom and dad fight and succeed. It's amazing. It's amazing.

00:34:25.160 Christine, where can people get in touch? Where can they get your book? Where can they join your group?

00:34:29.840 So start with the easy part. You can find me at breakfastwithbacon.com. That's the name of my

00:34:35.760 podcast. I'm on YouTube, Twitter, Rumble, all the places, Instagram. And that's where you'll find

00:34:43.360 the things that I talk about, the shows I've been doing on Purgatory. I've actually been reading

00:34:47.340 out of my book, The Super Couple. You can get that book at the website as well. It's audio version as

00:34:53.640 well as the paper version there. But if you are interested in becoming a stander or finding out

00:35:01.420 more about us, you can actually go to my website, Breakfast with Bacon, because I know if you're

00:35:05.600 driving and you're listening to this or at the gym, which is when I watch all your shows, John Henry,

00:35:09.940 you're not writing anything down. Everybody always forgets my name, but they say that Breakfast with

00:35:14.680 Bacon Lady. So I'm saying it that way because you can find sacred standards at my website. But if you 0.83

00:35:20.920 want, you can go straight to sacredstanders.com. It looks like a very raw webpage, but we've kept it

00:35:28.420 that way. For the first eight years, we stayed hidden because I want you to know if you join our

00:35:34.760 group, no one can find us. No one can see our stuff. We are now putting together a front-facing website

00:35:42.180 because everything is hidden because we want to make sure you as standers are protected. You have a

00:35:49.620 community of people that will support you. And it is a small community, but you can go straight to

00:35:55.620 sacredstanders.com and scroll to the very bottom. It says new to this community, and we will vet you.

00:36:01.500 We're going to ask you, is this a first marriage for you? Is this a first marriage for your spouse?

00:36:06.020 Because if you're in a marriage and you go to Catholic Church, if you don't go to Catholic Church,

00:36:11.800 if you're Protestant, you have to understand that if your spouse has been married a second time,

00:36:17.280 we need to find out, was that a valid first marriage? And I do clearly say to people,

00:36:22.320 well, you're not married. And they're like, what? I said, well, your spouse has got a spouse.

00:36:25.900 The person you call a spouse already has a first spouse. And that's why, you know, the annulment

00:36:30.720 process is so important to go through, even though it's been scandalized and overused. Well, I'll put

00:36:35.340 that aside. So we're vetting you for your own good. And you will get to talk to me most of the time.

00:36:41.240 It's just, it'll take a little bit of time before my team gets you to me. So sacredstandards.com. And

00:36:46.820 we're going to let you in and you're going to find the most amazing God-fearing community that you have

00:36:51.560 ever found because they've taken persecution and they're still standing.

00:36:56.120 Dr. Christine Bacon, thank you so very much. I pray that this will assist many people to get to

00:37:03.900 your incredible work. Obviously a work of the Lord, where you literally try and be the example

00:37:12.800 that he was on the cross to stand and pray and plead for your own persecutors. It is a work

00:37:19.360 where you're battling this final battle between our Lord and the reign of Antichrist. It's over

00:37:25.900 marriage and the family, and you've been called to it in a most spectacular way. God bless you.

00:37:30.480 Thank you. And God bless all of you. And we'll see you next time.

The John-Henry Westen Show - October 31, 2025

God Gave Me a MIRACLE - PROPHETIC ANSWER for Our Time

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