Lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgenders are everywhere in the media, in Hollywood, and in the news. And yet, there are many people in the world who don't even realize that they are gay or lesbian, or gender neutral, or non-binary. They have that impression because of what they see on their TV screens or on their computer screens. And to discuss this, we bring in Doug Waring, senior correspondent for Life Site News and U.S. bureau chief for the New York Times, to talk about the other side of the story.
00:00:00.000There's such a presence now of gays and lesbians and even transgenders in the media, in Hollywood, and just in the news all the time that polls that are taken show that the American public thinks that about a quarter of Americans are gay or lesbian or gender neutral or, you know, non-binary.
00:00:31.520But they have that impression because of what they see on their TV screens or on their computer screens.
00:00:43.040One of the most disturbing things that I learned when I visited Africa was how LGBT activists are trying to voice their agenda on the people there who, by their culture, are totally opposed to it.
00:00:57.500You know, in the name of human rights, LGBT activists are willing to bribe their way into schools, government, churches, without regard to real human rights at all.
00:01:08.560In fact, in the West, one of the successful strategies that they used here to, that homosexual activists used here to get into classrooms and everything else, was to point to boys and girls who they said were being bullied.
00:01:24.460The claim was that they were being bullied for being gay.
00:01:28.300Well, that argument was actually very successful in getting into schools to create so-called safe spaces, etc., for gay students.
00:01:36.460Now, that was propaganda to a large extent, and it was, however, very effective.
00:01:42.280So, to try and replicate such a tactic in Africa, at least in Uganda and Kenya, where I visited, would be very, very difficult indeed.
00:01:52.640Not only is homosexual sex and its promotion in the classroom, it's illegal.
00:01:59.480It's also rejected by society and all the religious systems in place in the country as well.
00:02:05.160So, there are no gay kids in the classroom to point to as the victims of bullying who need saving.
00:02:25.660You know, little in terms of American standards, but astronomical amounts of money by African standards to be in homosexual pornography films.
00:02:36.440Once these young boys are addicted to the behavior, that they, of course, are filmed, you have your gay kids.
00:02:46.500But more than that, these same victims are then sent out to recruit other young children, and for each recruit, they get paid again.
00:02:59.440And the homosexual activist group, lobbying for acceptance of homosexuality in Uganda, called Sexual Minorities Uganda, or SMUG,
00:03:09.960stands accused of recruiting by one victim anyway, who came out publicly after he found himself with various ailments caused by the very behavior he was paid to engage in.
00:03:24.580And he knew he had to speak out when other children in his same situation died.
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00:05:00.920And to discuss this, I wanted to bring in Doug Mainwaring.
00:05:06.100Doug Mainwaring is, as most of you know, a writer, senior correspondent for LifeSite.
00:05:10.860He's our U.S. bureau chief, but he's also someone who has actually experienced the other side of this question inside the homosexual movement.
00:05:19.500He has a great history that you can learn about at LifeSite News and see his conversion and just the awesome story that he has.
00:05:26.260But basically, he lived in the homosexual lifestyle for about a decade, came out, had a conversion, and then has spent really the rest of his life working to show people trapped in the lifestyle the harm that it causes and that there is a way out.
00:06:16.160The president of Uganda, the president of Uganda, other groups through the U.N., through the European Union, all giving pressure, included with asking, hey, if you want loans or kind of assistance, it's tied to kind of an acceptance of these things.
00:06:33.380But there's been pushback on that level.
00:06:50.920It's like the West wants to make Africa in its own image and likeness and make it as, you know, immoral and sullied as we've become over here.
00:07:04.060And I think the pressure is great in terms of demanding that, you know, in order to receive aid or money that they bend to Western morals or immorality.
00:08:03.480We had a video testimony of a young man in Uganda who says he was recruited into homosexuality through gay porn films, for which he was paid.
00:08:19.020And then he was asked to recruit others.
00:08:22.520Let's have a look at that testimony and then I'd love your take on it.
00:08:49.540One of their agents, some of the agents that are sent out to schools, to NGO homes, such as SOS, Watoto, and then the churches.
00:09:01.760They come and with a coupon invite you to one of their activities.
00:09:08.220Of course, they have well-equipped and well-facilitated auditorium rooms and then shelters where they do their gay activities from.
00:09:21.060So, I was invited by one of their agents and asked to attend one of their activities.
00:09:28.600And then on the coupon, there was an indication that there was actually a transport refund of $500,000.
00:09:35.780So, of course, for any other youth, for any normal youth, once somebody invites you for their activity and then they're proposing to refund your transport of $500,000.
00:09:47.880So, you can now imagine how very many could be lowered into acts of homosexuality.
00:09:55.460So, I attended one of their activities.
00:09:58.240I agreed to go and attend because one of the reasons was because I was ideally interested in the transport refund of $500,000.
00:10:12.600And basically, what they do in the activities is to, of course, give you fake lies about human rights.
00:10:22.400And then in the process, they start showing you, like I said, they have well-equipped and facilitated auditorium rooms and shelters where they actually have projectors and then show children Gepon, how Gepon is made.
00:10:40.840And then they convince them with that doctrine that each video that you shoot, you're given 5 million shillings.
00:10:50.940So, I was taken through the procedure in as many activities as I went through.
00:10:57.980I was sexually exploited and recruited into making Gepon videos where I happened to shoot several Gepon videos for SMUG, which videos are actually uploaded on websites such as www.atgays.com.
00:11:24.820For commercial purposes, for commercial purposes, of course, what actually SMUG does is target children into the age of 13, 14, 15, and 16, 17.
00:11:39.420Why they actually target children of that age bracket is because it is very easy for them to indoctrinate their doctrine into these ages because, for example, you are a mother and your child is going to school and you can only offer them $20,000.
00:12:01.860Now, here comes SMUG actually offering your child, a boy, $500,000.
00:12:09.780So, you can imagine it is very, very easy to lower such a boy into acts of homosexuality because they use money and, of course, other things.
00:12:21.800But above all, SMUG is actually sexually exploiting children into terror acts of homosexuality.
00:12:29.740Okay, most of their shelters are located in Intinda, Chigawa, Intinda, and they're known, they're actually well-facilitated, well-protected by the Uganda Police Force.
00:12:42.740You will find police officers there and you might think it's the American Embassy, yet it's actually SMUG shelters where they do their ruthless activities from.
00:12:53.960Shelters in the gay context, these are safe spaces where actually the gay people do their shit from.
00:13:03.580They do their activities from, activities such as recording gay porn videos.
00:13:08.200So, I happened to be enrolled in their system.
00:13:15.660I went for so many gay porn recordings because I had been promised 5 million shillings on each video that I would shoot.
00:13:25.480Successfully enough, of course, I got the money.
00:13:28.340I will not say that I did not get the money.
00:13:32.680I got the money, 5 million shillings each video, and I shot more than 5 videos.
00:13:38.520But in the process, because it's not protected sex, there's no medical checkup done before pre-recording of the videos.
00:13:49.000So, in the process, I later started getting sick.
00:13:53.480So, I happened to go to one of the best laboratories known as Ebenezer.
00:14:00.260I did several tests, and then I was diagnosed with different illnesses, long-time illnesses, which I will not mention.
00:14:10.160So, I opted to go and have a discussion with the directors on how best I could be enrolled for medication because my interest was in getting medication.
00:14:25.260So, eventually, my requests were turned away by the directors.
00:14:31.860I realized that one of their objectives is actually to recruit, and once you're wasted off, they dump you.
00:14:40.520They've done it to so many gay young minors who have actually been recruited.
00:14:46.800After they're diagnosed with different lifetime illnesses, they dump them.
00:14:51.640So, I opted to put an end on what my other colleagues were actually going through.
00:14:58.240I have a number of colleagues in the gay community, children, actually, they're minors, that were recruited into filming gay porn videos.
00:15:07.380They got HIV, hepatitis B, and other illnesses, and then most of them resorted to killing themselves.
00:15:42.420And all these are letters to affirm to what I am saying.
00:15:47.960Then, of recent, the NGO Bureau came out to shut down sexual minorities, Uganda, on grounds that SMUG was not registered.
00:15:59.820But on then, other anonymous grounds that weren't stated was because I actually availed them with proof that SMUG was actually trafficking, sexually trafficking, recruiting, and sexually exploiting minors into making gay porn videos and then make money out of them.
00:16:21.740Yeah, so, my advice to the parents out there is to actually be keen on who your child associates with.
00:16:31.520The gay agents have been sent out to schools to recruit more children.
00:16:37.260So, Doug, have you ever even heard about such a thing before?
00:16:40.880I mean, so deplorable, so stunningly scary.
00:16:45.740Yeah, I mean, I've definitely heard of it before.
00:16:49.120I think it's sort of the history of pornography.
00:16:53.860It's happened in this country and in Europe.
00:16:59.180I know from people I've spoken to, men who are gay or who formerly performed in gay porn, who are now happily married and raising a family with their wife.
00:17:13.340While they were in college, recruiters from the porn industry would come on campus and offer money.
00:17:23.800And this just wouldn't be just, you know, gay porn pornographers.
00:17:27.040Before that, there were plenty of pornographers, you know, trying to find young women to perform in their films or videos.
00:17:38.480So, and this dates back to the, I think, the 90s or so.
00:17:45.100But it's been happening for a long time.
00:17:50.440And then I know from some folks I've talked to that when communism began to fall in Eastern Europe, that pornographers saw a chance to come in and opportunistically take advantage of young people there who, you know, a lot of them were starving, had no money.
00:18:12.680They're all thin and beautiful compared to a lot of young American college age students.
00:18:22.880And so they descended upon some of those countries and created quite an industry over there.
00:18:30.540And I don't know if that's still going on or as strong as it was, but, you know, 15, 20 years ago, that was a huge source for gay pornography.
00:18:43.540So it doesn't surprise me that there's a, that the same thing is happening in Africa.
00:18:50.780It sounds like it's a lot riskier because of the laws that are in place there, but, you know, it's, it's clearly happening.
00:19:00.900I, I, I did a little research just before coming on here with you.
00:19:06.140And yeah, it's, there's pornography using young, young, young men from Africa.
00:19:13.780What's truly sad is this is being done, at least according to his testimony by SMUG, Sexual Minorities Uganda, which is a group advocating for acceptance of homosexual lifestyles in Africa and don't criminalize us, et cetera, et cetera.
00:19:34.320And I wonder too, if they're not trying to replicate something that happened in America and all of the West, when homosexuality was sort of gaining in acceptance.
00:19:45.740One of the arguments that was used was that, you know, look at all those gay young people.
00:19:51.260They're being bullied in the classroom.
00:19:54.520We have to make safe spaces for young gay people.
00:19:57.220And, you know, if you go to Africa where, you know, this behavior is frowned upon by society and illegal, they can't find those gay people in the classroom.
00:20:10.160And so recruitment and recruitment works as, as the poor young man testifies.
00:20:15.860He, he was in those films and then got addicted to the behavior and then sent to recruit other children into it.
00:20:24.340And the disease and stuff that this entails.
00:20:29.620It's so deplorable that these people who are going to make money off the porn, then turn around and use them as, you know, the cause for, or a cause celeb for their own human rights battle.
00:20:43.160They actually don't give a damn about these young people, excuse me, but they don't.
00:20:48.380These are young, poor people and they're being abused for profit and then used for false propaganda on a so-called human rights agenda.
00:21:00.160That's going to lead them to even more damage and destruction and eternal damage and destruction as well.
00:21:05.500The industry has always suffered from communicable sexual diseases.
00:21:17.800And, you know, in this country, I'm pretty sure that there are some safeguards against that from, I hate to use the term mainstream pornographers, but, you know, that's what we've got nowadays.
00:21:32.640It's very mainstream, but if you go back, you know, let's say Africa is where we were 20, 30 years ago.
00:21:42.360So, all, so many, probably, I don't know, 80, 90% of the young men who performed in gay pornography back in the late 80s and 90s, they're dead.
00:21:59.980And from AIDS or, you know, a lot would have contracted hepatitis, but some just, you know, would end up committing suicide.
00:22:13.520Like, Joseph Chiambra, who some, a lot of your viewers probably are familiar with, put together at least a couple videos just recounting the lives of each of these men.
00:22:28.560And there, there were, as I recall, hundreds in his videos showing how in the prime of their lives, they were, were knocked down by AIDS or suicide or whatever.
00:22:43.920But the fact is, is their lives were very short and their health deteriorated horribly.
00:22:52.580So, so yeah, it's, you know, Africa may, the, the, the pornography industry in Africa may be about to go through what the United States went through.
00:23:06.060So, um, nowadays, I think they do a lot of testing for HIV and, and other diseases, but, um, you know, I, I doubt that's going on in Africa.
00:23:17.080How do you think, uh, based on your experience, and you, you've done a lot of study of this.
00:23:22.440Um, you read the book After the Ball, which was like, uh, you call it a playbook for how to, uh, you know, gain access to societal approval for homosexuality.
00:23:47.460Um, it was a manifesto to, uh, bring about greater acceptance of, of homosexuality.
00:23:54.940Um, what, what's interesting now is all the strategies that they outlined.
00:23:59.760It's, it's, it's almost reads like a history book now because they did everything that they said that, uh, they needed to do to bring about a greater acceptance of, of homosexuality.
00:24:13.180Um, well, you know, my main takeaway from it was, is that, uh, they said that, look, we'll never convince the American public that homosexuality is a good thing.
00:24:24.860Uh, but what we can do is talk about it so much, you know, have it spoken about in the media and academia and, and, and just everywhere so that it becomes thoroughly tiresome.
00:24:39.360That was the term thoroughly tiresome.
00:24:41.320Uh, and that people would just no longer want to hear about it and just shrug their shoulders and say, yeah, okay, who cares, you know, give them what they want or, or, or whatever.
00:24:51.700And, um, it, it, it actually worked that way.
00:24:55.240And, um, uh, you know, one, one of those particular strategies was to increase the number of, uh, gay and lesbian characters in television and movies, which has been done.
00:25:11.720And, um, it's, it's, it's so interesting because there's such a presence now of, of gays and lesbians, uh, and even transgenders, uh, in the media, in Hollywood, um, and just in the news all the time that, uh, polls that are taken show that the American public thinks that about a quarter of Americans are gay or lesbian or gender, uh, neutral.
00:25:41.100Or, you know, non-binary and, um, that's a hugely inflated number, but they have that impression because of what they see on their TV screens or on their computer screens.
00:25:52.860And so, you know, that strategy outlined in after the ball has far exceeded, uh, you know, whatever the authors had hoped to achieve, uh, back in, in 1989.
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00:26:34.160Yeah, and that's one area where there is real encroachment, where there is, uh, success, if you will, on the part of those trying to foist this Western agenda onto Africa.
00:26:48.940Um, the infiltration of these shows and programs from the West are all being watched on, you know, uh, handheld devices, even among the poor, even when I was, um, you know, in the slum, a lot of those poor, poor people had phones.
00:27:07.900They, you know, they're cheap, they get them for like 30 bucks, they're hand-me-downs, usually cracked screen, but they still work.
00:27:15.740Um, and then you can get insanely cheap prices there on, on data and stuff like that.
00:27:19.960So they are getting infiltrated that way already.
00:27:23.620So it's going to be an uphill battle, uh, for the fight.
00:27:27.040Um, we, we talked with, um, legislative leaders, um, but then also with church leaders, um, about this question.
00:27:35.640And they told us also about the attempt to infiltrate, but they have been standing strong.
00:27:40.560Um, the one, the one, uh, quote that I really loved was that we were asked, you know, because Pope Francis has said what he said about the African bishops needing conversion on the subject.
00:27:51.780Um, the lawyer told me, I wish you'd talked to Africans about that.
00:27:56.480It seems he's only listening to what I would say was the white Westerners rather than the Africans themselves, because he described beautifully how their culture is totally not about that.
00:28:08.700But in addition, because I was worried that with the state pressure and the pressure from the church that, you know, the church in Africa might cave on the question.
00:28:19.36095% of the people in the pews defend the traditional right of the family.
00:28:24.460Moreover, he said, well, in fact, my host there said, remember the Anglican bishops, they've been facing the same pressure from their church leadership in England for the last 30 years.
00:28:40.120Yeah, and frankly, I remember writing a letter, had a letter to the editor published in the Wall Street Journal, praising Cardinal Seurat, because, you know, I basically said, he's the greatest friend that gays in the United States have, because he has spoken the truth and never fails to speak the truth.
00:29:06.920Whereas our bishops here in this country are just so silent or, you know, go far off in the other direction of being so ambiguous that they sound supportive of every bit of political.
00:29:28.980I mean, they're afraid of the political, I mean, they're afraid of the political power and the cultural power that the LGBT groups now have amassed.
00:29:45.320I think that perspective on the part of those who struggle with same-sex attraction, but nevertheless try and live their lives properly, of gratitude to church leaders and even legal leaders that defend the truth on human sexuality, the truth on the family, the truth on the danger and damage of homosexuality, both to mind and to body and to soul.
00:30:14.880So, you know, you know, I think that gratitude, that understanding, that looking at them as this is the real hero for those who are suffering same-sex attraction is a unique perspective.
00:30:27.480Yeah, I don't know if you remember this, but when same-sex marriage was an issue in France, there were some huge demonstrations, at least one that I recall in Paris.
00:30:40.660And it was the Manif Portou, I think was the name, I could be totally botching that.
00:30:47.960But there was a loud contingent of gays who were there to defend the family.
00:30:56.140They said, look, you know, I'm gay, I'm living as a homosexual, but, you know, I don't think I deserve, you know, to have a child engineered for me.
00:31:09.900I think kids do need to have a mother and a father.
00:31:13.320And frankly, there are a lot of people like that in this country who are quietly living their lives.
00:31:23.740They're not, they don't fly rainbow flags in front of their houses or whatever.
00:31:30.260They, I mean, I actually know a lot of them.
00:31:34.920And they don't have anything to do with, with gay pride.
00:31:42.980That doesn't mean that they've reached a point yet of saying, I repent of the way I'm leading my life.
00:31:50.600But they certainly see the cultural carnage that has been foisted upon civilization in the Western world and that it's getting worse, not better.
00:32:02.600And it's, it's so interesting that so many gays really are opposed to transgenderism.
00:32:10.940I mean, I shouldn't use the word opposed.
00:32:13.280They just see it as totally absurd and they don't, they don't want the T and LGBT to be there anymore.
00:32:23.800So there's a vast sort of quiet majority out there.
00:32:28.400Um, I think it would, would, would, would agree that grooming is, is, uh, something that is anathema and they want no part of it.
00:32:39.480Let's take a look at some of the other testimonies.
00:32:42.080These are testimonies from people we've talked to in Africa to give credence to what this boy testifies.
00:32:49.780Because of course, when he came out with his testimony, people said, no, no, no, that's not true.
00:34:01.640This movement, the homosexual groups are going to our schools.
00:34:07.680They, they go, some to, to, to, to work with the school administration.
00:34:13.320Others, they recruit children who recruit other children.
00:34:16.300We have got, uh, former homosexuals who have come out, uh, to describe what is happening.
00:34:24.460And one of those is a listener who, who has come out, uh, alone to tell people the horrible situation that he underwent.
00:34:34.800And what he has told people, even in video clips, even in his advocacy, is that, uh, people are paid money.
00:34:41.440Uh, for example, he says, uh, he was paid equivalents of $1,500 U.S. dollars in order to make pornographic video.
00:34:53.360And the other students are giving money to recruit other children.
00:34:57.720So, that approach of recruitment tells us that homosexuality is not natural, as others are purporting it to be.
00:35:05.540It tells us an agenda which is contrary to natural law.
00:35:09.220And the, the fact that our children are being recruited, and many have come out in the recent past, where they, they purport to be couples.
00:35:20.840But when you go to the background of the story, you find a child has been initiated using money, using a, a, a control approach within an institution of, of school to, to, to believe in homosexuality.
00:35:34.980So, Doug, after having seen that, I mean, we've, we've heard from religious leaders, from educational leaders, from pro-family activists about, you know, their need to fight this agenda, fight this agenda coming from the West.
00:35:54.300Um, how would you suggest they go about trying to maintain, you know, the, the traditional family there in Africa?
00:36:02.180Well, I, I mean, I think that the, the best advice I can give is probably what they're already doing is just supporting traditional families, making, uh, households with both a mom and a dad, the standard that everybody strives for.
00:36:21.320Because it's the kids who grow up in single family homes that tend to be the most vulnerable to being taken advantage of.
00:36:29.040You know, we certainly saw that with priest predation.
00:36:31.500It was usually, you know, young boys who were just living with their moms and had no dad at home for, um, for, for guidance.
00:36:39.960That's, to me, that's, that's the best thing.
00:36:43.480And, and, you know, go to church, go to confession, you know, what else can I say?
00:36:48.540One of the things that I found anyway was endemic in Canada, in the United States, actually all over Europe, was the refusal of church leadership to address the issue at all.
00:37:05.580They would talk about, oh, traditional family, you know, the wonderfulness of marriage.
00:37:14.060But it was funny because I think, at least during our debate here in Canada, the, the homosexual activists turned around and said to the bishops who were all speaking about the wonderfulness of traditional marriage and said, we agree marriage is wonderful.
00:37:27.920The bishops, for whatever reason here, and perhaps because they had their own problems with homosexuality and abuse and so on, they refused to talk about homosexuality at all.
00:37:50.040Well, you know, I think that you just got to stick with the definition of marriage.
00:38:01.040You know, back before Obergefell, I was on the front lines trying to defend marriage as a, you know, even when I was still living as a gay man, because I could just see how, you know, two men or two women definitely did not fit the definition of marriage.
00:38:22.320And that it would weaken marriage and invite, you know, a whole slew of, uh, of repercussions that we, you know, we now see happening.
00:38:31.160I mean, giving up on the definition of marriage, um, back in 2015, it was like the next day, the transgenderism rushed in and, and started grabbing headlines and capturing hearts and minds.
00:38:47.500And, and, uh, so, um, and, you know, frankly, I, I found that the Catholic church wasn't much help.
00:38:56.340Uh, uh, I thought the USCCB would, would, you know, I, I thought it was so great that I lived here in DC and the USCCB was just a few miles away and they would be a great asset in, in fighting against, uh, same sex marriage.
00:39:12.680But I don't remember that really happening, you know, they maybe produced a few white papers or something, but they weren't a great bastion of truth.
00:39:22.340Uh, and the same, and I troubled with the, um, the sort of Catholic academics who were running the show, uh, against same sex marriage.
00:39:34.960They made good arguments, but it was mostly for the academic class.
00:39:39.600Um, and they, um, lost the general population because all the general population heard was love is love.
00:39:59.540Uh, but anyway, um, I, back during that time, pre-Obergefell, uh, a number of us, uh, who were fighting in the trenches found that we weren't even allowed to use the word sodomy when talking about a warning against what same sex marriage might bring to this nation.
00:40:21.120So, so yeah, I, I, I think there were a lot of errors made, uh, both in the world of academia and among the, the, our, our prelates.
00:40:34.360They had to talk about something that's icky about sex.
00:40:38.620Everyone else is talking about it, unfortunately.
00:40:40.580And, uh, if you don't engage and you just engage on some cerebral level, that's, you know, really apart from the public understanding, you're not speaking to the public at all.
00:40:54.080Because the language was so sanitized that, you know, most people concluded, well, gays are the same in bed as a husband and wife in bed.
00:41:43.100I would certainly just encourage, uh, the, the church in Africa to, to, uh, remain firm and strong in, in promoting the, uh, the natural family.
00:41:55.460Um, nothing, nothing is more important.
00:41:59.140And as, as you know, my wife and I were divorced for about a dozen years before getting back together again, um, after I became chased, uh, about a dozen years ago.
00:42:11.560Uh, nothing, nothing does more to protect kids than, than, uh, having a mom and a dad at home and a mom and a dad who love each other.
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