In this episode, Father Innocent Sunu talks about how he came to be a priest in the midst of Boko Haram's worst persecution in recent memory. He shares his story of how he became a priest, and how he managed to survive the worst of the attacks by the Islamic militant group.
00:00:00.000Hello and welcome to this episode of the John Henry Weston Show, where we are very pleased to have someone with us that you really haven't seen before, someone who is able to speak to us directly from a place of grave persecution against faithful Catholics who are trying to live their faith in a very heroic way.
00:00:20.620We have with us today Father Innocent Sunu, who works right in the heart of the Boko Haram territory in Nigeria. It's the place where the persecution by this Islamic militant group has been the most severe, and we're very privileged to talk with Father Innocent today. You're going to want to stay tuned.
00:01:24.620First of all, Father Innocent, can you tell us a little bit about yourself before we get into where you are and what you're doing? How did you come to be there? And what are you up to now?
00:01:34.620My name is Father Innocent Sunu. As you have earlier introduced me, I was born into my family, the family of then Al-Haji Muhammad, that was my father. And then my mother, Mrs. Monica.
00:01:54.380My father was actually a Muslim. Before he was converted to Catholicism by the love he has for my mother, or had for my mother because my father is late now.
00:02:06.380So while growing up, we grew up to be Muslims. My elder brother and I, we are the only two sons of my parents, and then I have seven sisters.
00:02:18.380So we grew up going to the mosque and going to the church.
00:02:24.380But when eventually we became to know what is good for us and what is bad for us, I am not saying that Islam is bad or trying to derogate Islam, but when we grew up to know what is good for us and what is bad for us,
00:02:38.380we decided to follow our mom, to join her in the church all the time and to be Catholics.
00:02:45.380And my father was challenged because of the courage we took because where we were, where he was working then, it was predominantly a Muslim village and he was a secondary school teacher.
00:02:57.380And so we were always on the move. We were always on the transfer.
00:03:01.380And we were encouraged by the number of priests who used to come around to celebrate masses for us, even when we were just like about five or six families.
00:03:10.380Well, priests will always come to celebrate mass and we were encouraged.
00:03:14.380So when eventually we became Catholics, like my name used to be Mahamud.
00:03:20.380So I decided to choose the name innocent for my baptism.
00:03:25.380And then my elder brother chose Abraham for his baptism.
00:03:30.380And eventually we liked priests who used to come around.
00:03:33.380And so we told my parents, we told them that we want to join the minor seminary because those who were coming from the minor seminary then were very intelligent boys.
00:03:44.380And they were our friends who we play soccer together.
00:03:47.380And so my dad decided to pay the school fees for us to join the minor seminary in Yola.
00:03:53.380And as soon as we joined the minor seminary in Yola, we became very, very serious.
00:03:58.380And both of us, my elder brother and I wanted to be priests.
00:04:02.380But eventually, eventually my elder brother said, no, that me, I'm the small one.
00:04:07.380I should go. He's the big one. He will go and take care of the family.
00:10:54.380And unfortunately for someone like me, I can't go to the headquarters and address them.
00:11:01.380Because they can easily do whatever they want to do and say it is Boko Haram that did it.
00:11:06.380So, as it is right now, as I am talking to you, John, these military men have taken over businesses that the local people are doing in the town.
00:13:06.380When you have 29 checking points in a place, even if you are eating the best of food, the food will have digested by the time you reach home.
00:13:13.380So that is the situation, that is the situation we are facing now.
00:13:16.380And you know why I said they have compromised?
00:13:22.380Because they don't, we went to see the new commanding officer.
00:13:26.380The new commanding officer said, everybody should protect himself.
00:13:30.380He said everybody should protect himself.
00:13:33.380And if you are in a place where I am, and you hear a drop of spoon, and you think that it is gone, it is a gone sound, or it is a gone shot, then you know that something is wrong with that person.
00:13:46.380I have gone for trauma seminars and trauma conferences that I complain of all the time.
00:13:53.380If I hear a door being banged, I would think it is a bomb, or it is a gun.
00:14:25.380Because this is, just listening to you and hearing you, it's just an impossible situation.
00:14:32.380What can be done to help you, to help your people there in Nigeria?
00:14:38.380In 2014, when the entire, I will say the entire Boko Haram now, when I say the entire Boko Haram, I mean Boko Haram that came in from Mali, Boko Haram that came in from Niger, Boko Haram that came in from Chad, Boko Haram that came in from Burkina Faso.
00:14:54.380Boko Haram that came in from Burkina Faso, Boko Haram that came in from Mali, Boko Haram that came in from Cameroon.
00:15:17.380And by the time it is 2016, these people have no option rather than to come back.
00:15:23.380And because they were in IDP camps, internally displaced persons camps in Cameroon and some parts of Nigeria, they came back with a lot of diseases.
00:15:35.380Major among them is hepatitis, malaria, constant diarrhea, typhoid, and other different diseases that tap warm, particularly during this rainy season tap warm, you know.
00:15:56.380So when they came back, because they have no other option again, they have stayed long outside and they have no other land apart from that land of Madagali.
00:16:03.380And here, when we say we don't have a government, we mean we don't have a government.
00:16:10.380Because there is what they call the Northeast Development Commission.
00:16:16.380But this Northeast Development Commission, they choose places they go to give assistance.
00:16:22.380They will announce in the mocks on Friday, Muslim men and women should assemble in a certain place, then they will go and distribute what they have to distribute.
00:16:31.380But for us, Christian, nobody talks to us or nobody listens to us.
00:16:36.380The same thing with the NGOs, the non-governmental organizations.
00:16:39.380They come, they just spend one hour because of the bad nature of the place.
00:16:48.380They come, do the distribution they have to do, and then they go.
00:16:52.380So, as it is right now, I have had a number of men and women who have either fallen in the church or they have just, how will I say, fented.
00:17:04.380When you ask them, they will tell you they have not eaten for three or four days or they have been sick.
00:17:10.380There is no medication for them because we don't have even a, we don't have even a chemist or a medicine store where if you have a headache, you can go for a paracetamol and get a paracetamol to cure your headache.
00:17:25.380These people are in so many, so many problems, diseases, hunger, because they are not allowed to farm.
00:21:59.380Now, a woman who fries plantain, she only needs about $50 to $70 to keep her business going for the whole year.
00:22:08.380Because she will need the frying pan to start.
00:22:11.380Then she will need to buy oil and then she will need to buy the plantain in the market.
00:22:15.380And then once she starts, the markets are almost every day here.
00:22:19.380Once she starts, the business blows them.
00:22:22.380She will not come to you and ask you for money for medicine again.
00:22:25.380She will not come to you and ask you, but if she is guaranteed that she will get this money in the $50, $70, $100 you give these women in a year, it will sustain them.
00:22:34.380In terms of what you see, I mean, you looking out at the world must have a very interesting perspective.
00:22:44.380Because for us, hearing this is just, it's unreal.
00:23:30.380I told him, if only, if only Ireland, if only Ireland as a country knows what she has done to Nigeria, Ireland will never forget us.
00:23:44.380Because in terms of the faith, John, let me tell you what the Catholic Church in Europe and America has done to the church in Nigeria or in Africa.
00:23:53.380It cannot be measured, nor can it be countable, nor can it be said, we can't even say thank you enough.
00:24:00.380But in our own world here, we have not seen, let me say, seen any contribution that has come because, particularly from the Catholic world,
00:24:12.380apart from the Pope who at a particular time knows what is happening to us, who has decided to donate his pocket money to the diocese.
00:24:21.380As he said, he's donating his pocket money to the bishop so that things will happen.
00:24:26.380If I tell you the destruction that these people have done, and the Hungarian government too, the Hungarian government have invited us.
00:24:33.380Even though I was not able to go, they have invited us.
00:24:36.380Our bishop and some other priests were asked to go.
00:24:39.380That time I was in, I was in, I was traumatic at that time.
00:24:46.380So Europe, America, Canada, and the rest of the Western world, they need to know what Christians are facing in this part of the country or in this part of the world.
00:25:00.380If I tell you, I show you what these people have done, apart from material possession that they have destroyed, buildings and houses, the number of lives these people have killed, nobody can record it.
00:25:18.380First of all, pray us, pray for us so that our faith will be intact.
00:25:22.380Second, get us to talk to you like this.
00:25:25.380This is an opportunity so that you will get to hear and you will get to know what is happening, at least from somebody who is at the front line.
00:25:32.380Just like I told you, I am their everything.
00:25:35.380Then thought, whatever is the means of support.
00:25:38.380They will definitely like, I've always told some people, these people don't know you.
00:26:24.380Father Innocent, it has been a great honor for me to speak with you.
00:26:28.380I would ask for your prayers for us here.
00:26:33.380Because while we might have a lot of, definitely comparatively, a lot of physical ease in terms of food and shelter and clothing and so on.
00:26:45.380What we don't have is the faith as you and your people have.
00:26:51.380Please pray for us that we can have your faith and we will do our best to get you whatever means we have.
00:27:00.380I would encourage all of you listening to go to lifefunder.com and to fund this campaign to help Father Innocent and his community there.
00:27:10.380Right in the heart of Nigeria where Boko Haram is really the worst and where their lives are threatened every single day.
00:27:18.380We've got to do what we can to pray for them and to sustain their communities.
00:27:24.380These are the communities where true saints are made.
00:29:08.380And God bless all of you. We'll see you next time.
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