The John-Henry Westen Show - How Pope Leo XIV Can HEAL the Church

00:00:00.000 the war is over. And it's been very nice to once again feel like our father doesn't hate us.

00:00:08.780 Hello, my friends. Welcome to the John Henry Weston Show. We've got with us a guest I've

00:00:12.880 had on before, but a couple of years ago now, was at the Coalition of Canceled Priest Conference,

00:00:17.340 I believe in 2023. I spoke to Anthony Abate about, well, his blog, his work, what he does.

00:00:25.000 He runs a YouTube show that's real popular called Avoiding Babylon. If I recall correctly,

00:00:31.520 at the conference, it was very interesting because he spoke of the new religion, replete

00:00:37.320 with sacraments and everything else. And the cancel culture was excommunication. And it was a really

00:00:44.560 neat setup. And I want to talk to Anthony now about what the Catholic in the pew, because that's what

00:00:51.260 he runs. He runs a real sort of Catholic in the pew, the faithful Catholic kind of talk session with

00:00:56.320 him and his guys. And just see what they're thinking about the church currently, about the

00:01:00.880 new pontificate, and what we've just come out of, of 12 years of Francis. Anthony, welcome back to

00:01:06.460 the program. Thank you for having me, John Henry. It's been a couple of years. You have a wonderful

00:01:10.200 memory. I can't believe how well you remembered that talk. Very, very striking. Well, let's begin,

00:01:15.520 as we always do, with the sign of the cross. In the name of the Father, and of the Son,

00:01:19.680 and of the Holy Ghost. Amen. So Anthony, here we are in a new pontificate. It's an interesting time

00:01:27.020 for the church. I just got back from Rome myself not too long ago, and was struck with what went on

00:01:34.200 there with the speed of the election. Tell us how it went, especially when you discussed it with your

00:01:41.300 guys on your show. How did it go? First thoughts right off the bat is just how amazing it is to be

00:01:48.400 Catholic, and how the whole world looks to Rome, and they don't even know why. And there's something

00:01:55.220 so amazing about our ritual that they all wish they had, that they can't help but just go and

00:02:02.140 clamber around their TV to see this white smoke come out of a chimney. I think I, like many other

00:02:09.080 Catholics during the conclave itself, was really hoping for a long conclave. Because we kind of saw it as

00:02:17.460 if it's a long conclave, that means the conservatives were able to put up enough resistance to maybe

00:02:22.860 fight for a little ground. And then my initial thoughts that first day were, oh my goodness,

00:02:29.280 we're doomed. I actually like the way the conservatives and traditionalists have handled things,

00:02:35.380 where I think it was important for us to make sure that the new pope didn't come into a climate of

00:02:41.000 hostility, especially being an American pope. I think he's given little gestures to let us to 0.99

00:02:48.120 signal towards us that look, the war is over. And it's been very nice to once again, feel like our

00:02:55.200 father doesn't hate us. Because the last 12 years were very traumatic for all of us. And it's, it's a

00:03:00.900 difficult thing to discuss. Because people still think it's odd for us to criticize the pope, but it was

00:03:08.420 a very hard time to live through for 12 years of the constant comments of backwardness, rigid,

00:03:15.160 breed like rabbits. I mean, it was just a nonstop barrage for us. So, and it wasn't just traditionalists

00:03:21.080 who lost their Latin mass, it was all conservative Catholics felt this. And any of the good priests or

00:03:26.460 bishops that spoke out, they were punished. I mean, we lost Bishop Strickland, we watched it happen with

00:03:31.120 so many times we met at the canceled priest conference under the Francis pontificate. The few gestures

00:03:36.400 he's given have felt a lot like, I would imagine what a child who has a very overbearing parent

00:03:42.940 feels a sense of relief after that period of time is over. And it's been just interesting to just be

00:03:50.640 Catholic again and not have this hostility towards the hierarchy again. Yeah, I've likened it myself to

00:03:56.420 a kind of a dad who is kind of abusive with his kids, you know, verbally and psychologically abusive

00:04:03.460 or emotionally abusive, whatever you call it. So the kids sort of like, they cringe whenever he goes

00:04:09.080 to talk, you know, like, is he going to say something that's like really confusing or hurtful

00:04:13.780 or something? That's what was happening. I mean, I, we've been doing LifeSite now for 28 years. So I

00:04:20.340 remember reading the encyclicals from JP2 and Benedict as soon as they're released. And as journalists,

00:04:25.000 we get them a little bit early. So, you know, especially in the West here, we're reading them all night

00:04:29.560 long so that the morning when it's officially released, we're already written on it. It was

00:04:33.320 awesome. And we continued that, but it was just, it was, it was, it was painful to read. And it became

00:04:40.140 eventually an exercise in rather than find these nuggets of just joy and truth, but, but find these

00:04:47.760 nuggets of heresy that were like, ah, here it is again. And it was so sad. It was, it was totally a

00:04:54.920 different thing. And it's hard. I think most Catholics, because this is such a long period,

00:05:01.680 most Catholics today, particularly the young people, Francis is their pontificate. My kids,

00:05:07.480 I know, I know my, for my kids, basically they don't remember, you know, my eldest is 28.

00:05:13.120 My youngest is 13. So Francis was the Pope. This was the whole, basically their adult,

00:05:20.000 so far adult life is just that, a combative kind of papacy. So it's so strange for me,

00:05:27.000 of course, JP two was the Pope I grew up with. And, and then Benedict was just basically an extension

00:05:32.080 of the same thing. And so the, the experience is so totally different. It's, it's, it's hard to,

00:05:40.600 to sort of reconcile the two.

00:05:42.860 So we had a couple of guys on that had converted under Francis. And one of the things I tried to

00:05:49.520 explain to them was you, you guys have never experienced what it's like to defend the Pope

00:05:54.580 against the secular media, because the secular media loved Francis so much. So, so they'd never

00:06:01.020 had to face that situation where the secular media was attacking the church and coming after the,

00:06:06.460 coming after the remarks the Pope had made. So I'm really hoping that they get the joy of fighting

00:06:13.180 for their Pope now, you know, because what it felt like was a lot of these new converts came in and

00:06:18.560 their instinct was to defend the Pope. And what they found was they were defending the Pope against

00:06:22.640 Catholics who had lived through the previous pontificates. And it seemed very strange to

00:06:27.040 them. And it's, that's understandable. You become Catholic and you, you, you know, you want to defend

00:06:31.340 the Pope. And then all of a sudden you find all these, these other Catholics are very upset about it.

00:06:35.560 I think for guys like us and those of us who lived through the previous pontificates,

00:06:40.240 we always expected to receive persecution from the world. And it was like, okay, but our Pope is in

00:06:47.620 our corner, like, especially in the pro-life movement, when we were arguing on, on, on behalf

00:06:53.220 of what, like the moral issues, like how evil, the evils of contraception and IVF. So when you had

00:07:00.000 a guy like John Paul II, who was talking about the culture of death constantly and Benedict, even at

00:07:06.560 that Regensburg address, you think about how he was speaking out against Islam, like to go from that

00:07:12.120 to then all of a sudden live through this situation where we were feeling like we were persecuted from

00:07:16.740 the church itself. I think it was just so disorienting for those of us who had converted

00:07:22.360 under John Paul II or had converted under Benedict to go from that stance to, to Francis that to even

00:07:28.880 come in, in these first two weeks where he hasn't really said anything of substance yet, where we know

00:07:37.280 exactly what he plans on doing, but we do get this sense that he's not going to be a revolutionary in

00:07:44.360 the way Francis was. I mean, you think, so the early days of Francis from day one, it was, oh, he paid

00:07:49.020 his own hotel bill. He's like, Jesus. I was like, wait, what? And then it was just one thing after

00:07:55.000 another where he was just, you felt like you were just in such a strange battle. And it was so hard

00:08:02.400 to defend Catholicism to Protestants. It was so hard to defend Catholicism to even your conservative

00:08:10.580 atheists who were made, might've been Republican, but they're looking at this Pope and thinking he's a 0.83

00:08:15.020 Marxist and things like that, that you really just, I mean, my heart and prayers go up for Pope Leo that

00:08:20.880 we get a strong defender of the Catholic moral foundation once again, because it really, there's

00:08:26.160 something joyful about suffering for the right cause.

00:08:29.380 Some things that were funny right off the bat, because the media did attack him when he went and

00:08:33.740 defended marriage as the union of one man, one woman. And it was funny. My kids were texting on the

00:08:38.660 family chat just to say, Hey, the media is all shocked that the Pope is Catholic. I mean, this

00:08:44.060 has been interesting because here we are at least a couple of weeks in and we're, and things are in

00:08:50.580 relative peace. I remember the first two weeks of Francis, he had already made that insane statement

00:08:57.940 about the rosary. He was so upset that people had prayed for him and were counting the rosary. They

00:09:04.020 presented him with a rosary bouquet, like a bouquet of a spiritual bouquet. And they had counted,

00:09:08.780 thousand something, something rosaries. And he was like, what's with the counting?

00:09:12.260 It was funny. Cause I thought back then that was fake news. No Pope would ever cut up the rosary.

00:09:16.560 Now that's fake. And it was huge for us because as the director of LifeSite, I was like, no,

00:09:21.320 we're not going to cover that interview. And that was the big interview where he also talked about a

00:09:24.600 gay lobby being in the Vatican. And if you look back to LifeSite, which is usually right on top of 0.88

00:09:29.800 especially Vatican coverage, we didn't cover that right away because I thought that's fake.

00:09:34.640 No Pope's going to cut the rosary. Sure enough, I was in Rome a week later and it wasn't fake.

00:09:39.460 Some of the memories that popped up during their interregnum, because we were kind of processing

00:09:45.160 the death of Francis and it like the rosary when people, because people had presented Francis with

00:09:52.520 a bouquet of roses that each rose standard for a rosary that was set for, it wasn't just a bouquet.

00:09:58.920 It was like thousands of bouquets of roses for his pontificate. And he reacted like it was this,

00:10:04.860 this legalistic thing. And it was just, you remember these little tidbits and then I forget

00:10:10.800 who I was speaking to, but we were remembering even the summit after the McCarrick scandal,

00:10:15.060 when they brought everybody all of the, for the sex summit to Rome and how, if these men had

00:10:22.780 worn sackcloth and ash and actually repented for their sins, it could have changed the course of the

00:10:28.460 world. But instead they separated underage boys from men that are of age and they refused to confront

00:10:36.560 the real issue, which is homosexuality in the church. And it was just, it was just a complete 0.73

00:10:41.840 debacle. And all of these things that have just come up over the past few weeks, because I think

00:10:47.300 a lot of us had had Francis fatigue towards the end of his papacy. And I almost just checked out

00:10:53.440 and I couldn't even pay attention to the stuff anymore. And I think after fiducia, it was just

00:10:58.840 like, you know what? We're just waiting for the next Pope. And we're just waiting for God to intervene

00:11:04.540 at this point. And we stopped even covering most of the stuff anymore, but how long was it before

00:11:09.340 you actually had your aha moment with Francis? Because I think all of us during the first couple

00:11:16.540 of years wanted to be loyal sons of the church and defend the Pope. When was the change for you?

00:11:22.840 I heard on radio, the announcement rather than watching, had I watched and seen Daniel's on the

00:11:29.000 balcony with him? I would have flipped out, but I didn't. So for me, day three of the papacy

00:11:34.420 is when he praised Casper. And we all knew Casper, as we used to call him, Casper, the friendly

00:11:41.540 ecumenist, because he was a heretic who was all about the Jews don't need to convert and we don't 0.95

00:11:47.400 preach Jesus to the Jews. And that was all insane. But when Francis praised him as a theologian, 0.93

00:11:53.960 a theologian who does theology on the knees, I was like, oh, yeah, it's bad. But we were like,

00:12:02.720 you know, Casper's German. Maybe he's like, he said good stuff too. They're confusing. They're 1.00

00:12:07.800 intentionally confusing. And maybe that was all it was. So we sort of like, we're like, that was bad,

00:12:13.160 but yeah, whatever. Well, you know, and that went on for a little while. But as that got worse and worse,

00:12:18.800 we came onto it pretty darn early. Now, LifeSite paid for catching on early because people were

00:12:27.100 condemning us left, right and center for how dare you and blah, blah, blah. And we were like, I can't

00:12:33.480 do it anymore. We, I mean, it's so weird to understand how close we were to the Vatican at

00:12:39.260 the time. Like I met Francis in his first few months personally, because we were invited to Rome

00:12:46.840 because we were so close. We worked with the Vatican so much. I was one of three pro-life

00:12:52.500 leaders asked to help celebrate Evangelium Vitae. It was an anniversary of Evangelium. And we went

00:12:59.000 there and, you know, I was, I was asked to do the prayers up Via Della Conciliatione. That's the

00:13:04.940 road that leads into St. Peter's Square. And we, the night before we had a candlelight vigil

00:13:08.260 up there. And it was myself and a couple other leaders who were saying the prayers inside St.

00:13:13.720 Peter's Square. And then the next day we were to meet the Holy Father and did and so on. That's how

00:13:19.840 close we were to the Vatican at the time. If you can imagine, it sounds like a different life, but it

00:13:24.560 was a very different time. It was very early on that we caught it though. And that was the, that was

00:13:29.060 a, I think a grace, but it cost a lot to, to do that. Many of the folks who condemned us early on for,

00:13:36.680 for just being forthright about what's going on later when they caught it were much more severe than

00:13:43.180 we ever were. We have something very interesting going on right now that I wanted to discuss with

00:13:47.360 you. We have, there are a lot of conservatives who are just pleasantly surprised. It's so far,

00:13:54.320 so good, basically. But you also have this strange phenomenon. This was James Martin's reaction. Watch.

00:14:03.880 It's a great choice. You know, he brings a wealth of experience from being a missionary in Peru,

00:14:09.780 a bishop in Peru. He speaks, of course, perfect Spanish. I rejoice in this selection of Pope

00:14:15.240 Leo XIV. I ask you all to pray for him. He's going to need our prayers and God bless Leo XIV. God bless

00:14:22.560 the Augustinians. But it's not only James Martin. Cardinal Cupich reacted. At first, he wept tears of joy

00:14:31.260 and then he talked about how he and Leo are good friends. Watch this.

00:14:36.560 What are you hearing from back home? Lots of things. The culture of Chicago and the Midwest

00:14:42.120 produced a pope. That's terrific. I think it's something that people are going to

00:14:49.760 take pride in being from Chicago. I see you get a little choked up there. It touches deep.

00:14:56.960 Very deep. Yeah. Pope Pius XI said men must look for the peace of Christ in the kingdom of Christ.

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00:15:29.840 There's an interesting thing happening right now. And I've been watching it where the pope will give

00:15:36.060 an address and he will say some good things about Francis. He will say some good things about

00:15:41.460 synodality. And then maybe a little bit later on, he'll speak against ruling as an authoritarian or

00:15:47.740 a dictator. And you watch the people who loved Francis will highlight the synodality stuff. And then those

00:15:54.780 of us who are more on our side of the spectrum will highlight the comment about the authoritarianism.

00:15:59.920 These two sides are both claiming poplia right now. And there is this relative peace in the church

00:16:07.340 right now. But in some way, I don't think that will last. All of us should take kind of the approach

00:16:14.360 that you had said you were going to take when you came out. You said, look, we're not going to have

00:16:18.440 an attitude of suspicion towards this pope. And we're going to go into it with cautious optimism.

00:16:24.660 I think that is a very healthy approach. It doesn't mean we're deluded. It doesn't mean we think

00:16:30.700 all of the problems that have come about since Vatican II are gone. I do see Leo speaking an awful

00:16:37.800 lot about ecumenism. And I think ecumenism is probably one of the biggest problems in the church right now.

00:16:43.440 Because unless you are trying to bring people into unity with the church with the truth,

00:16:48.320 it's kind of just dialogue for the sake of dialogue. And it gives the impression that

00:16:53.600 the church is not the one true church. So I am not going to jump onto the

00:16:59.840 onto the like the Leo fan wagon yet. I'm just going to be respectful of the papacy. I'm going to be

00:17:08.060 respectful of the pope. Because synodality is not inherently wrong. And I just hope that he goes in

00:17:14.220 and if he does a synod, that we get a good document from it. Because there were even at some of the

00:17:21.340 previous synods, Francis didn't necessarily get what he wanted out of them. So he'd have to throw

00:17:26.200 a footnote in of his own making, you know? So if these synods go in and they're generally faithful,

00:17:33.140 maybe we will get some good stuff out of it. But I do not see how these two sides can coincide,

00:17:38.420 because there is such a different view of what Catholicism means between them.

00:17:43.380 It is very interesting, because all those terms that are ambiguous, we're left up in the air with.

00:17:49.140 Synodality means different things to different people, as does ecumenism. I think when JP2 was

00:17:54.740 talking about ecumenism and or Benedict, they were talking about bringing people to the unity of the

00:18:01.140 one true faith. Even in stuff that people thought was very confusing and wrong, it was definitely

00:18:08.020 something you should have done, the kissing of the Quran of JP2. It was done, and everybody knew, 0.98

00:18:13.860 it was done so as to bring them to the fullness. He was kissing what could be said to be true inside

00:18:19.940 of their faith, and trying to entice them into the fullness of the reality of the one true faith.

00:18:25.620 That was understood back then. Under Francis, there was totally, not only not understood,

00:18:29.820 it was the opposite. It was basically, don't, don't convert, a la Casper, and so on and so forth.

00:18:34.700 The ambiguous terminology stuff, the buzzwords, they cut both ways. I remember well that Ratzinger

00:18:42.380 played this game. Do you remember how ecology was all the buzz? And so he started talking about

00:18:48.620 a human ecology. And by that, he meant the need to be true to life and family, particularly the unity of

00:18:55.740 a man and a woman. And people freaked out, but he was using their terminology. So you could creatively

00:19:02.620 use ecumenism, synodality, to mean whatever, and give it a Catholic twist. That would just be 0.84

00:19:08.700 wonderful. And since we don't have that definition yet from him, that's totally, for me, game to give

00:19:14.620 him the benefit of the doubt and really hope, actually, that he's going to change these terms and make them

00:19:19.580 mean what they should mean in a Catholic context. Look, what he said to the Eastern churches was

00:19:24.220 absolutely beautiful, where he described their liturgy and the need for them to keep their

00:19:29.900 ancient liturgy without giving into the pressures of the modern world to change it. So there are these

00:19:36.660 signals that he might come in and maybe clean some of this stuff up. It's just, you know, I really,

00:19:44.140 I hate to keep harping on it, but it's all of us are just so shell shocked from the past 12 years

00:19:49.260 that we're just like, okay, we're reading everything with these like, oh, please, please let it be.

00:19:54.780 The one thing I really hope that comes from this papacy is that I see healing between brothers also,

00:20:00.540 because there were so many people who weren't going to speak to somebody else, because they publicly said

00:20:07.140 something about the hierarchy. And now if they talk to them, there's guilt by association. And there was a

00:20:13.020 genuine fraternity amongst Catholics, not human fraternity, but a genuine fraternity amongst

00:20:17.740 Catholics before Francis that kind of dissipated when he came and you saw friendships break and you

00:20:24.940 saw relationships get destroyed. So if we can have that restored, it would be a beautiful opportunity

00:20:31.580 to start building bridges like Pope Leo has mentioned a few times.

00:20:35.500 Yeah. There are so many Catholics who I used to know and now won't talk to me, consider me an enemy 1.00

00:20:43.100 and whatever else. And I, I don't consider them such I'm saddened, but it is, you're right. And it's

00:20:48.300 poisonous. It's, it's so terrible. The healing from that would be incredible. I'm hoping and praying with

00:20:55.900 you on that score for sure. And I understand the want to do it, but I think the sort of lionizing of the

00:21:03.500 memory of Francis is, is harmful. Uh, that comment from Pope Leo the other day, where he thought

00:21:10.060 Francis was accompanying them from heaven, the cardinals, the hierarchy in the church, 0.98

00:21:16.940 they have to recognize a little bit the suffering that Catholics underwent verbal or psychological

00:21:22.940 abuse of sorts. So we don't sort of gaslight the children who were abused. You have to acknowledge

00:21:30.860 their pain. You have to say, okay, yeah, there was definitely, I don't think there's many cardinals

00:21:34.940 on earth at all who won't acknowledge, yeah, no, a lot of that was just not on the whole

00:21:42.540 same sex blessing, couple blessings, by the way, um, that the whole of the African church just said,

00:21:47.740 um, no, God bless them. A lot of that's going to be rolled back. But I think the, the sort of

00:21:53.900 abuse of the faithful that happened because of that. And with that has to be acknowledged and the,

00:21:58.300 the, the, the faithful have to be consoled in that they were harmed there. And to, to basically say,

00:22:07.660 oh, everything was fine. He's a saint now. That's, uh, I think that's ignoring something

00:22:13.180 that the church learned about abuse and how to deal with abuse victims.

00:22:16.780 And not just that it's confusing theology because we don't know if Pope Francis is in heaven and we

00:22:23.260 assume he's probably in purgatory, not because he was bad, but you should always assume everybody's

00:22:28.460 in purgatory unless they're canonized. So we should be praying for all souls that are in purgatory.

00:22:33.820 Now there's an aspect of me that wants to believe that he's, he's, he's signaling two things with that,

00:22:39.660 possibly one is for those of us who thought he was going to come right out and just tear down the

00:22:44.860 Francis papacy. That's not going to happen, but maybe he's also trying to let the other side think,

00:22:50.620 oh, no, no, I love everything Francis did, but then we're going to have to fine tune some of these,

00:22:55.100 you know, some of these errors or problems. And people will see that it's coming from a place of

00:23:00.460 love and not see it as a hostile move when he does go to correct those things. So there are

00:23:05.900 different ways to view it. And until he actually puts a little bit of action behind his words,

00:23:10.380 it's going to be a waiting game. So it's only his first two weeks. And the first two weeks of a

00:23:15.420 papacy is just nonstop dignitaries coming and everybody wants to meet the new pope and all this stuff.

00:23:20.460 I really hope that this pope doesn't travel like John Paul II did and do the world youth days every

00:23:27.100 year and do the world tour. And I think there's a lot that needs to be done in the church right now,

00:23:32.220 especially within the diocese of Rome, within the curia. So I hope he works on fixing a lot of that

00:23:37.580 stuff. He said he's going to spend some time praying about his curial appointments. I think,

00:23:41.900 I really hope he does do that because a lot of the appointments that France has made need to be

00:23:48.300 addressed. We really cannot continue with Cardinal Tucho Fernandez as the DDF head. I would love to see

00:23:56.540 maybe Cardinal Burke given some kind of honorary something, you know, to undo some of the hurt that was

00:24:03.420 caused there. Same thing with Bishop Strickland. I don't, I don't think he'll get his diocese back,

00:24:08.780 but maybe something just honorary to show that he's still a son in good standing in the church,

00:24:13.900 things like that. Things like that could go a very long way for those of us who,

00:24:19.020 while still being kind to Francis, he could extend olive branches to those of us who endured that

00:24:25.180 stuff. Oh, indeed. In fact, I just saw Taylor mentioned that, hey, the diocese of Austin is

00:24:30.060 actually free. So that he doesn't have to be, you know, given to Tyler necessarily, but there's lots

00:24:35.740 of spots. So let's pray. Let's, um, I know you do already, but let's, uh, let's make a real effort to

00:24:41.820 pray for Pope Leo. I think people will be freer to pray for the Pope now. They'll feel

00:24:46.940 in heart, they can do that in a way that was different. I prayed for Pope Francis an awful lot,

00:24:52.540 but it was honestly to pray for his conversion. With this Pope, we're praying more traditionally

00:24:56.300 as we would for the Pope, um, that, uh, he be strengthened by our Lord and we'll see what comes.

00:25:02.140 And the one good thing, it was from Bishop Strickland actually, that, uh, I got more

00:25:08.700 assuredness like that. God's got this, God's created us for this time, whatever it brings,

00:25:13.820 he'll give us the grace to deal with it. And, uh, so we can go forward, enjoy,

00:25:18.860 despite having crosses to deal with. It's actually comforting to know that we're 0.99

00:25:24.300 in a very specific part of the story of salvation that, I mean, it got a little exciting the last 12

00:25:30.380 years. As crazy as things were, it was exciting to be Catholic. I did see a lot of us come together

00:25:36.220 to fight some of the errors and, you know, as many relationships that were broken, there were

00:25:41.660 also many made. And we always have to remind ourselves that God is in control and no matter

00:25:47.100 what is happening, he is the one allowing these things to happen and that they will all work to

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The John-Henry Westen Show - May 23, 2025

How Pope Leo XIV Can HEAL the Church

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