The John-Henry Westen Show - Immaculée Ilibagiza： How Meditating On Our Lady's Sorrow Heals My Sorrows

00:00:00.000 Ave Maria Mutual Funds, seeking the moral high ground for 20 years.

00:00:10.000 Pro-life, pro-family, and Catholic values have guided us to the top.

00:00:30.000 And Our Lady, when she told Marie Claire, she said it always existed, but people have forgotten about it.

00:00:37.000 And the way she spoke about it, she said, I want to give you a new gift to the people, all of us in the world,

00:00:43.000 a new gift to reach the heart of God, for our healing, for many blessings will come to people through this devotion.

00:00:51.000 Hey, my friends. September is actually the month of Our Lady of Soros.

00:01:03.000 But most people don't know what Our Lady of Soros is, nor that there's a very special rosary associated with Our Lady of Soros,

00:01:10.000 for which there's many, many promises. And here's a really neat thing.

00:01:15.000 The resurgence of this devotion from the Middle Ages came about through Our Lady of Kibeho,

00:01:25.000 an apparition in Rwanda, which predicted the Rwandan genocide.

00:01:32.000 The visionary died in that Rwandan genocide.

00:01:37.000 But the most famous person to come out of the Rwandan genocide, who has told her story

00:01:43.000 and has gone absolutely viral throughout the whole wide world, is Immacule Iribigeza.

00:01:50.000 And in fact, she now has taken it upon herself to promote this very devotion.

00:01:57.000 Stay tuned to this episode of the John Henry Wesson Show with none other than Immacule herself.

00:02:01.000 Immacule, welcome back to the program.

00:02:04.000 Thank you so much for having me.

00:02:06.000 Let's begin, as always do, with the sign of the cross.

00:02:10.000 In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen.

00:02:16.000 So, Immacule, this is really fascinating.

00:02:21.000 The very visionary who you were in touch with sort of, well, I mean, was killed in this horrific massacre that the whole wide world knows about.

00:02:34.000 In a way, you've been handed on the mantle of promoting this devotion to Our Lady of Sorrows.

00:02:46.000 So, it's amazing that you're doing this.

00:02:50.000 You've got a recent book out called Blessing in Disguise.

00:02:56.000 Tell us about this devotion.

00:02:58.000 Tell us about where this came from in the first place.

00:03:00.000 Thank you so much.

00:03:01.000 Oh, thank you so much.

00:03:02.000 It is really a joy to be able to speak about the Seven Souls Rosary.

00:03:06.000 And, yes, I know, I truly feel like one of those people.

00:03:11.000 Our Lord and Our Lady want to spread the message, because I was given a chance to meet the visionary, to hear it first-hand from the visionary.

00:03:20.000 Marie Clea, who was given this task to spread the message of the Seven Souls Rosary.

00:03:26.000 But I believe that we are many.

00:03:28.000 Our Lady called all of us to be able to help her.

00:03:31.000 She used to appear to her, and she would say, my children, help me, help me to teach the whole world.

00:03:37.000 And I still remember, in the beginning, I was 11 years old.

00:03:40.000 I mean, she lived 12 years more after that, after the beginning.

00:03:44.000 And I used to say, I will help you.

00:03:46.000 And I never knew that I would get the chance, you know, to write books, to meet many people, to speak in front of thousands of people.

00:03:54.000 And then when I did the first time, I said, hmm, maybe this is my chance to help our Lady.

00:03:59.000 So it feels so good to be able to share this beautiful devotion of the Seven Souls Rosary to help our Lady gain her children.

00:04:07.000 You know, speak to her through her suffering.

00:04:11.000 Also speak to her about their suffering.

00:04:13.000 And because of so many blessings.

00:04:15.000 So the Seven Souls Rosary was given to Marie Cleia in Ikibeho since 1982, when she appeared to her for the first time.

00:04:24.000 It was March 2nd.

00:04:26.000 And she appeared to her.

00:04:29.000 She was actually the head of the crew that was persecuting other visionaries before they, you know, they were accepted by others in school.

00:04:37.000 So our Lady told her she wanted her to be the one to spread the Seven Souls Rosary.

00:04:41.000 She showed her the rosary.

00:04:43.000 She never knew anything about that.

00:04:45.000 So it's really a rosary that has seven head of Mary's and have seven sorrows of our Lady.

00:04:51.000 Many people knew about the Seven Sorrows, but not the Seven Sorrows Rosary.

00:04:55.000 And our Lady, when she told Marie Cleia, she said it always existed, but people have forgotten about it.

00:05:02.000 And the way she spoke about it, she said, I want to give you a new gift to the people, all of us in the world.

00:05:09.000 A new gift to reach the heart of God, for our healing, for many blessings will come to people through this devotion.

00:05:17.000 So she explained to her what it was because, of course, many people didn't know anything about that.

00:05:22.000 And we would hear her tell our Lady, Oh, Mother, that is, why does it have seven hair Mary's? 0.56

00:05:30.000 Why it have, why is it not ten?

00:05:32.000 So we were learning from her.

00:05:34.000 And she also told her, it does not replace the other rosary.

00:05:38.000 It is a new gift she's giving us for new blessings.

00:05:42.000 And how appropriate, because our country was going to go through a genocide against Tutsis and the suffering that Rwandans went through.

00:05:50.000 And to this day, hearts are still healing.

00:05:54.000 Seven Sorrows Rosary was just a gift to us, especially for what we went through.

00:05:59.000 But our Lady said, if I am here, it does not mean that my message only concerns Rwanda, not even just Africa.

00:06:07.000 I am coming and turning to the whole world.

00:06:11.000 So what I'm teaching here, I want the whole world to know.

00:06:14.000 So she, she came to keep her hope, but that was the place of God, as she said.

00:06:18.000 So anyway, the seven sorrows.

00:06:20.000 It have seven hair, I mean, seven hair Mary's, as you can see, and have seven sorrows.

00:06:26.000 And the best thing is that our Lady was speaking about it in the first person.

00:06:32.000 So she would say, for example, the first sorrow, the prophecy of Simeon.

00:06:36.000 So when she, you know, as you know, the custom that time, when a firstborn male was consecrated to God 40 days after they are born.

00:06:47.000 So when Jesus was the firstborn and the only born of our Lady, as we believe in our church, she went to, they went to consecrate him.

00:06:55.000 And Simeon turned to Mary and say, I will pierce your heart.

00:06:59.000 So our Lady said, I want you to put yourself in my shoes. 1.00

00:07:03.000 I want you to ask yourself, what would I feel if I was her?

00:07:07.000 What do you think she felt?

00:07:09.000 And she said, don't rush through these sorrows.

00:07:12.000 When you pray through the seven sorrows, always put yourself in her shoes.

00:07:17.000 So then you are able to feel.

00:07:18.000 And what I have realized is that whenever I have to, which I do every day, when I pray this rosary.

00:07:26.000 And I put myself in the shoes of a lady, try to understand what she felt.

00:07:30.000 I can't help but open my own heart to, to say, hmm, what did I feel?

00:07:35.000 Would I understand what somebody would feel when you have bad news?

00:07:39.000 Of course, everybody have gone through something.

00:07:42.000 When you receive bad news, somebody who is sick or somebody you love who received bad news.

00:07:47.000 And that unite me with Mary.

00:07:49.000 So the first sorrow.

00:07:51.000 So the second sorrow, as she spoke to our Lady.

00:07:54.000 I mean, our Lady spoke to Mary Clea, was the flight into Egypt when Herod wanted to kill baby Jesus.

00:07:59.000 The third, when Jesus was in a state in a temple for three days.

00:08:04.000 But again, we are taking from the eyes of his mother, three days, a mother without seeing her child.

00:08:11.000 So she just couldn't sleep.

00:08:13.000 She couldn't eat for those three days.

00:08:15.000 She suffered, as she said, more than any mother can ever suffer.

00:08:20.000 So again, the genius about this rosary in so many ways, supernaturally, of course, but also there is something really beautiful is that you open your heart.

00:08:30.000 You think about her, what she felt, and then you start to think about what is going on in the world.

00:08:35.000 I mean, I saw the movie The Sound of Freedom, what a beautiful movie.

00:08:39.000 And to see that such a crime can be happening in our world.

00:08:43.000 But anytime I send out the seven sorrows rosary, I reach especially this sorrow, I think about those kids.

00:08:49.000 And I think about the criminals who do it too, to pray for them, that they may convert, you know, and not do such a thing. 0.54

00:08:56.000 For the parents who are losing their children, because it just brings you to offer a lady anything around that kind of suffering. 1.00

00:09:05.000 And the fourth sorrow, when Mary met Jesus on the way to the cross.

00:09:10.000 And again, our lady wants us to take it from her perspective.

00:09:14.000 Like the third sorrow, our Lord was in a temple.

00:09:17.000 He wasn't suffering.

00:09:18.000 He was speaking about his father.

00:09:20.000 He was excited to speak about his father teaching and encouraging people, answering questions, and increasing people's faith.

00:09:28.000 But his mother was dying.

00:09:30.000 That's why again, it is through the perspective of Our Lady, the sorrows she went through.

00:09:35.000 That becomes such a blessing for us.

00:09:38.000 Because again, we're able to open our hearts, but we become really good friends.

00:09:42.000 Because I always say, you know, I wrote Left to Tell, as you know, and my experience, I went through the genocide.

00:09:50.000 And many people said, you know, you lost your parents, but they really loved you.

00:09:53.000 And it's true. 0.56

00:09:54.000 I mean, my mom, my dad, they were good parents.

00:09:57.000 Now I can appreciate them.

00:09:59.000 Before I taught you, of course, you're supposed to do that.

00:10:01.000 Your parents, your parents, you're supposed to be good.

00:10:04.000 Oh, not all the time necessary.

00:10:06.000 So now I can appreciate the sacrifice.

00:10:08.000 I can remember they made.

00:10:10.000 But anytime I think about their love, what convinces me that I was loved is the sacrifices they made.

00:10:18.000 When my dad didn't go to work because I was sick.

00:10:21.000 When he sold his land and his cows so that I can go to school.

00:10:25.000 The sacrifice.

00:10:27.000 The pain.

00:10:28.000 When my mom couldn't go to bed because my brother was sick.

00:10:32.000 That's when I say, wow, we had a good mom. 0.99

00:10:35.000 You know, who will make this sacrifice for us?

00:10:37.000 It's not about the clothes they bought me.

00:10:40.000 All that is done is burned and got old.

00:10:43.000 But they love the sacrifices they made.

00:10:45.000 That would make you feel I was loved.

00:10:48.000 Somebody cared.

00:10:49.000 So I love the seven sorrows because I just look at Jesus, look at his mother, and I just feel like this closeness we have, you know, with them, because I'm contemplating what they went through for me.

00:11:02.000 What our lady suffered.

00:11:04.000 It was for us.

00:11:05.000 Our Lord went through it willingly and brought his mother into that so that they can suffer for both of us.

00:11:11.000 I mean, for all of us.

00:11:12.000 So the fourth sorrow, when Mary met Jesus on the way to the cross.

00:11:17.000 And again, Our Lady Nikibeho, she was speaking about, many times she spoke about this again.

00:11:22.000 I felt this way.

00:11:23.000 I felt those tones over his head on me.

00:11:27.000 I felt my body aching, where he was aching, how he suffered.

00:11:32.000 So her heart with his, they were united in this suffering.

00:11:35.000 And the fifth sorrow, when Mary was standing under the foot of the cross.

00:11:40.000 I still remember when Marie Claire saw this, the visionary, because one time Our Lady spoke about it, but also showed her what she went through.

00:11:49.000 Like a movie, like in front of her, they're watching these people.

00:11:52.000 When they reached when Our Lady was under the cross, she fell down.

00:11:56.000 Her teeth were like shivering, like, you know, touching each other like this, like a really great pain she was going through.

00:12:02.000 And she was screaming, what is going on?

00:12:05.000 How can somebody help that woman? 0.98

00:12:07.000 Somebody help her. 0.97

00:12:08.000 She can't take it.

00:12:09.000 This is too much for one person to take it.

00:12:12.000 And that man.

00:12:13.000 So God was, I guess, Our Lady hid her.

00:12:17.000 That was them.

00:12:18.000 But she was able to explain, express what was going on.

00:12:22.000 Like somebody, why this man is on the cross?

00:12:24.000 He seems like a nice man.

00:12:25.000 Why are they doing this to her, to him?

00:12:28.000 And to that mother, please, somebody help.

00:12:30.000 She was falling down.

00:12:32.000 I mean, like 50,000 people were there.

00:12:35.000 Everyone was just scared to see the pain in the eyes of this girl.

00:12:39.000 But sadness, not just like a terror, but sadness, that deep sorrow.

00:12:45.000 So then the sixth sorrow, when Our Lady received the body of our Lord.

00:12:50.000 And again, she was speaking in the first person.

00:12:52.000 I mean, it really gets me to this day.

00:12:54.000 After, you know, many years, after almost 30 years, I still just get my heart.

00:13:00.000 And many times I'm crying when I'm meditating on this.

00:13:03.000 So Our Lady said, when she was watching Jesus, she taught about every stage of his life.

00:13:10.000 When the angel Gabriel came to her, you know, the joy she had, when he was born, when he started to walk, to talk.

00:13:18.000 And now she said, I had him in my hands, lifeless.

00:13:22.000 And he was killed.

00:13:24.000 He have done nothing wrong, just because he loved us.

00:13:27.000 He gave himself completely.

00:13:29.000 So it just gets you when you feel what this mother had felt.

00:13:33.000 And the seventh sorrow, when they placed him in a tomb.

00:13:36.000 And she said, the new source of her suffering was the loneliness she felt.

00:13:41.000 Since he was born, she lived for him.

00:13:44.000 He was the object of her affection.

00:13:47.000 To know where he was, he was preaching.

00:13:50.000 Her life was about him.

00:13:51.000 Now, she's a mother without her son.

00:13:54.000 And because they killed him, placed him now in the tomb.

00:13:57.000 So she taught us so much to really get close to her, to get close to him, to our Lord, but also to open our hearts.

00:14:06.000 That's why I call my book a blessing, these guys.

00:14:09.000 Anytime I'm praying the seven sorrows, which I did this morning, I open my heart.

00:14:14.000 It is really sad.

00:14:15.000 But at the end, you receive so many blessings.

00:14:18.000 And it kind of just relieves your pain.

00:14:21.000 It's really something.

00:14:23.000 I'm in pain.

00:14:24.000 I tell Our Lady everything I'm going through.

00:14:26.000 And then, at the end, I have nothing to suffer.

00:14:29.000 I feel like, you know what?

00:14:30.000 They went through so much more than me.

00:14:32.000 She was pure.

00:14:33.000 I'm a sinner.

00:14:35.000 She never sinned.

00:14:37.000 And yet, look what she went through.

00:14:38.000 Not my pain can ever compare to hers.

00:14:41.000 Every time I finish the rosary of the seven sorrows, I'm like, I'm done.

00:14:45.000 I have nothing to complain about.

00:14:47.000 I have forgiven everybody.

00:14:49.000 I have no more complaint.

00:14:52.000 Yeah.

00:14:53.000 Beautiful.

00:14:54.000 Okay.

00:14:55.000 A lot of people are going to think that's weird.

00:14:58.000 But I think you've explained it very well.

00:15:00.000 Because how, when you're meditating upon sorrow, how is that supposed to bring you joy?

00:15:06.000 I think you've explained very well how that works, that you recognize in Our Lady suffering something beyond that which we could ever suffer.

00:15:16.000 And hearing you say that is striking, because I think most people know, but you had to experience the deaths of all of your family members while you were hidden away.

00:15:31.000 You experienced your own sort of purgatory in their starving, nearly starving to death.

00:15:37.000 But you had to go through that torture.

00:15:41.000 But you see in Our Lady's suffering even more than that which you suffered.

00:15:46.000 You see in Our Lady's willingness and ability to forgive those who killed her own son, who killed God Almighty, forgiveness from her.

00:16:00.000 And you were able to forgive in that kind of same way.

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00:17:19.000 It was hard, but you're right.

00:17:22.000 It is truly the sorrows that saved, helped me to forgive.

00:17:26.000 Because again, when you go through that, watching what our Lord have gone through, out of love for me.

00:17:32.000 I mean, he had a body like mine.

00:17:34.000 I remember during the genocide, I used to pinch myself.

00:17:37.000 Today I do actually.

00:17:38.000 Earlier I did it actually today, just today.

00:17:41.000 And I don't want to say through his sorrow and his sorrowful mysteries and his seven sorrows, just like words and keep going.

00:17:50.000 No, this is somebody I love, somebody like my brother, my father.

00:17:55.000 I want to think about him as my family and he is.

00:17:58.000 He's my God.

00:17:59.000 He's more than just my family.

00:18:00.000 He's my God, my Savior.

00:18:02.000 I don't want to take it lightly.

00:18:04.000 And when you pinch yourself, you're like, what?

00:18:06.000 You took the nails for me?

00:18:08.000 You went through this because you care for me?

00:18:11.000 This is how much I'm loved.

00:18:13.000 Many people suffer because they don't know how much they are loved.

00:18:16.000 Many people suffer because they think nobody cares.

00:18:19.000 But it is through those sorrows you realize, wow, somebody loves me to death.

00:18:24.000 I was explaining to the pilgrims, you know, really, the blessing we receive, it goes with the heart we put in.

00:18:31.000 You can go to mass and receive nothing.

00:18:34.000 Or you can go to mass and have your Savior in you.

00:18:39.000 Receive him with all your heart and all the blessings because you decide to be present.

00:18:44.000 So the seven sorrows has a way our lady taught us, always put yourself there.

00:18:49.000 And once, as I said, you put yourself there, you also are able to open your heart to some of the suffering you have had.

00:18:56.000 And what the therapists do, what they do for people to heal, they just make you talk.

00:19:01.000 How did you feel?

00:19:03.000 And what happened?

00:19:04.000 And with that comes healing.

00:19:06.000 So this, again, is a blessing in disguise because every sorrow, you touch a different suffering in your heart.

00:19:13.000 And you speak to a lady about that.

00:19:15.000 Sometimes you are crying.

00:19:16.000 But then after you open the door, you can breathe.

00:19:19.000 You know, these tears that comes from love, but also crying to your mother, someone who cares.

00:19:25.000 I remember one of the sorrows I have taught over and over so many times.

00:19:29.000 Some sorrows, of course, I lived through the genocide, but I go through other suffering like everybody.

00:19:34.000 And some sufferings you share with the world.

00:19:36.000 Other sufferings, you have to go through them yourself.

00:19:39.000 Or you go through that with, you know, a family member or, you know, like a best friend.

00:19:45.000 You speak to them about that.

00:19:46.000 But when you speak to a lady, you can't hide her anything.

00:19:49.000 There's no pain you can bear far away.

00:19:52.000 You expose everything to her.

00:19:54.000 So one of the things, for example, I didn't even think about, but yet was there that have healed slowly.

00:20:00.000 After the genocide, about six months later, I went to look for the bodies of my parents, my brothers.

00:20:06.000 Some of them were burned.

00:20:08.000 But I found my brother, who was my best friend, Tamasen.

00:20:11.000 I found his bones where they put him just under the ground a little bit.

00:20:16.000 And I was able to recognize him from his teeth.

00:20:19.000 But the shock of seeing your brother as bones, his ribs, it is hard to put in words.

00:20:27.000 But then you don't go to tell people like, oh, by the way, I suffered when I saw my brother's bones.

00:20:32.000 But it's just something buried inside.

00:20:35.000 But every time I've gone through Our Lady washing the body of Jesus, seeing every wound be caused on his body.

00:20:44.000 To try to understand her, I always go back to my brother, what I was able to see, his bones.

00:20:51.000 And then I have to say, what? You know that kind of pain of having somebody you love?

00:20:59.000 And not in the same way necessarily, but still almost the same in that way.

00:21:03.000 So I always have revisited that pain and I cried for years.

00:21:08.000 But now I can revisit it without having to really cause me, you know, trembling inside.

00:21:14.000 Because that's what used to cause me.

00:21:16.000 Like my brother, I saw his feet, bones, not the body.

00:21:20.000 And you just don't have to express that pain.

00:21:22.000 So Our Lady sorrows are meant to help us heal, to invite her in those pain, to invite her.

00:21:31.000 When you know you lose somebody, you suffer.

00:21:34.000 But when you bury them is a new type of suffering.

00:21:37.000 And again, you can't even explain to people.

00:21:40.000 Recently, recently, I was in Fatima, and I heard how Lucia died.

00:21:45.000 They buried her in her convent.

00:21:47.000 And a year later, they have to move her in the Basilica, just like Jacinta and Francisco.

00:21:52.000 And then they said how when they moved her body very slowly, you know, and buried her, got to bury her.

00:21:58.000 The whole village was everyone in the city was on the street crying, crying like she just died.

00:22:04.000 And I'm like, I know what that feels like.

00:22:07.000 There's just some suffering you have only between you and God.

00:22:11.000 And you can't just go to tell people what it is.

00:22:13.000 But seven sorrows allows us to go deep in those.

00:22:17.000 So it is truly a gift Our Lady gave us.

00:22:19.000 I've seen people who have prayer groups of seven sorrows rosary, which Our Lady told us.

00:22:24.000 Pray it every day, if you can't, at least Tuesdays and Fridays.

00:22:29.000 And the people who have these prayer groups, there is just a joy, like a child.

00:22:35.000 Because when you cry to your mother, after that, you're just relieved.

00:22:40.000 You know, you are light.

00:22:41.000 So it is truly a blessing in disguise.

00:22:44.000 Yeah.

00:22:45.000 Beautiful.

00:22:46.000 So what was Our Lady's explanation?

00:22:49.000 Just because it's curious.

00:22:51.000 The seven Hail Marys only because of the seven sorrows?

00:22:55.000 Or what are we doing there?

00:22:56.000 Yes.

00:22:57.000 So she gave us a beginning prayer.

00:22:59.000 I have it actually in my book.

00:23:01.000 I mean, this is the latest book.

00:23:03.000 And on my website, you can also have the booklet, Immaculate.com, the booklet about the seven

00:23:08.000 sorrows rosary.

00:23:09.000 There's a beginning prayer, she told us.

00:23:11.000 She said, in the beginning, say, Oh my God, I offer you this rosary for your glory, and

00:23:16.000 to honor your Holy Mother, the Blessed Virgin, so that I can share and meditate upon her suffering.

00:23:22.000 I am going to beg you to give me true repentance for all my sins.

00:23:25.000 Give me wisdom and humility, so that I may be able to obtain all the indulgences contained

00:23:32.000 in this prayer.

00:23:33.000 So Our Lady taught us how to say it.

00:23:35.000 And then the second prayer, act of contrition.

00:23:38.000 Then three Hail Marys.

00:23:39.000 And then another beginning prayer before every sorrow.

00:23:43.000 And then use the sorrow.

00:23:44.000 As she said, don't rush through the sorrow.

00:23:47.000 Ask yourself, what would I feel?

00:23:49.000 And again, I mean, this may tell us, like, people who are hurt are the ones who hurt other

00:23:54.000 people.

00:23:55.000 If only people can just meditate and think of their sorrow around Our Lady, be in her mantle,

00:24:01.000 I think the world will be a better place.

00:24:03.000 Because we are able to understand other people's pain, not hate them, but to understand them.

00:24:08.000 And then we are able to heal through these sorrows.

00:24:10.000 So then the ending, the second sorrow, the seven Hail Marys.

00:24:14.000 I mean, we took it just as Our Lady was teaching it.

00:24:17.000 And then the last sorrow, the seven Hail Marys, our Father, and then the ending prayer.

00:24:23.000 And the ending prayer, Queen of Martyrs, I beg you.

00:24:27.000 Yeah, Queen of Martyrs, by the merits and the tears you shed in these terrible sorrowful times,

00:24:35.000 I beg you to obtain from me and all the sinners of the world the grace of complete sincerity and repentance.

00:24:42.000 And then you do three times.

00:24:44.000 Mary was conceived without sin.

00:24:46.000 Pray for us who have recourse today.

00:24:48.000 Mary was conceived without sin and who suffered for us.

00:24:51.000 Pray for us.

00:24:52.000 That's it.

00:24:53.000 Mary was conceived without sin and who suffered for us.

00:24:56.000 Pray for us.

00:24:57.000 Three times.

00:24:58.000 And then she gave us graces that come out of that.

00:25:01.000 She said she would hear the tears, especially of mothers.

00:25:05.000 As you think of her sorrows, she would also hear yours.

00:25:09.000 Mothers who are suffering because of their children in addictions.

00:25:13.000 I mean, I've seen so many miracles.

00:25:15.000 One of number one miracle I see.

00:25:17.000 You know, we speak about abortion.

00:25:19.000 What a terrible sin.

00:25:20.000 What a terrible thing that is happening and actually can be accepted by the leaders of countries.

00:25:25.000 It is horrible to think about that.

00:25:28.000 However, there are many couples that are suffering for not having children, too, not being able to conceive.

00:25:35.000 And those are forgotten.

00:25:37.000 So through the seven sorrows I have maybe made.

00:25:40.000 I mean, I speak about this every every week somewhere.

00:25:43.000 I have maybe more than 100 emails of people who told me they were trying to get pregnant for five years.

00:25:50.000 They couldn't or 10 years and they started this devotion, caring for a lady's pain, thinking about her, having compassion on her, you know, understanding all this pain he went through and his mother.

00:26:02.000 And then they receive the blessing of having a child.

00:26:05.000 I mean, I have one couple that spent 10 years trying.

00:26:10.000 One friend of mine, actually, she didn't know much about our lady.

00:26:14.000 She was Catholic, but who didn't practice at all, almost at all.

00:26:18.000 So I told him, you know, talk to a lady.

00:26:21.000 She was like, which lady are you talking about? 1.00

00:26:23.000 I'm like, the matter of Jesus.

00:26:25.000 So we spoke about this and how she, you know, about our faith and explained about our lady, these seven sorrows.

00:26:33.000 And she was ready.

00:26:34.000 She's like, I will do anything.

00:26:35.000 If I can have a child, I will do anything.

00:26:38.000 We prayed together the seven sorrows rosary.

00:26:40.000 Every sorrows she was crying.

00:26:42.000 She was crying.

00:26:43.000 She's like, she went through that.

00:26:45.000 That is too much for one person to obey her.

00:26:48.000 And they killed her son.

00:26:49.000 And she was only one.

00:26:50.000 I was like, you know what?

00:26:52.000 The way she have this heart of really feeling for Jesus and Mary, I am sure this girl is going to have a child.

00:26:58.000 Two weeks later, she was pregnant with twins.

00:27:01.000 After like seven years, she was trying.

00:27:04.000 So I have seen so many miracles like that.

00:27:06.000 Another big miracle that happened are people.

00:27:09.000 I mean, when I said this, I have to, you know, to say it carefully because I wish, of course, every miracle can happen to everybody who just say it.

00:27:19.000 But truly also, sometimes we realize that if we pray from our heart, maybe the answer may be no, but God will give us the acceptance.

00:27:29.000 So I've seen people who have healed from cancer.

00:27:32.000 One lady healed pancreatic cancer stage four.

00:27:36.000 And she told me, give everybody my phone number.

00:27:39.000 I want to tell them what I already have done for me.

00:27:41.000 And of course, when people heal in the end, we die.

00:27:44.000 So the most important thing is to gain that faith.

00:27:47.000 And miracles do happen.

00:27:49.000 I've seen them.

00:27:50.000 But to gain the faith that God loves you.

00:27:52.000 Our ladies read.

00:27:53.000 She's your mother.

00:27:54.000 She gives this many graces to people.

00:27:56.000 So, yeah, big miracles of people who heal from sicknesses.

00:28:00.000 Another big miracle, people who heal from addictions.

00:28:03.000 I never knew there were so many addictions until I started to spread this seven souls rosary.

00:28:08.000 So somehow, again, you pray it.

00:28:11.000 It's not magic.

00:28:12.000 It's not something just to touch.

00:28:13.000 It's to pray with your heart and be there for her and for her son.

00:28:17.000 And miracles do happen.

00:28:19.000 I've seen them.

00:28:20.000 What are the actual promises from our lady about the rosary?

00:28:24.000 There's a number of promises associated.

00:28:26.000 What are those?

00:28:27.000 So there are many.

00:28:28.000 But one comes to mind is that she will give us.

00:28:32.000 She will hear our prayers more than ever.

00:28:35.000 She will relieve our pain.

00:28:37.000 Another thing, we will be able to defeat the infernal enemy, like the devil.

00:28:43.000 I have one girl or so who wrote to me.

00:28:46.000 She said she saw that promise.

00:28:48.000 She was having nightmares.

00:28:49.000 And, you know, she believed it was an attack from the devil.

00:28:52.000 She will wake up sweating.

00:28:54.000 She was really scared.

00:28:55.000 But she said after she read those promises, she started to say the seven souls rosary before

00:28:59.000 she went to bed.

00:29:00.000 And she said the nightmares came, but she never was scared once again.

00:29:05.000 So our lady promised that she would protect us.

00:29:09.000 I don't have the booklet with me now, but there are many promises our lady gave to give

00:29:14.000 us what we pray for.

00:29:15.000 Of course, as long as we don't, it doesn't contradict the will of God.

00:29:19.000 We are not going to pray for somebody to die, you know, for someone to get hurt.

00:29:23.000 But if it does not contradict the will of God, it will receive whatever we pray for to protect

00:29:28.000 us from the enemy.

00:29:29.000 Also, she promised for those who propagate this rosary, she would take them from this

00:29:34.000 life to eternal life in heaven.

00:29:37.000 So, of course, if we are doing it sincerely and if we are doing a part in the most honest

00:29:42.000 possible.

00:29:44.000 So here's something very interesting.

00:29:47.000 Our lady gave this rosary to basically a child.

00:29:52.000 I think it was 12 years before the massacre happened in the rosary.

00:29:58.000 She's talking about sorrows.

00:30:00.000 At the end of it, she's talking about, she addresses herself as the Our Lady of Martyrs

00:30:06.000 or something like that.

00:30:09.000 What do you think of having learned that back then before the massacre happened?

00:30:15.000 And you're calling now for this to be done in the Hawaii world.

00:30:22.000 And it's received more spread from you than it had even from the original visionary.

00:30:27.000 So what do you think?

00:30:30.000 Do you see any meaning in that and a warning for what we are living through right now and

00:30:36.000 what's coming to us?

00:30:38.000 Yes, completely.

00:30:39.000 You see, one of the messages Our Lady has given us, obviously from what she has lived

00:30:45.000 herself, she said suffering is a part of life.

00:30:48.000 We cannot avoid suffering in this world.

00:30:51.000 And every single person will go through suffering, the good and the bad.

00:30:55.000 However, the good and faithful to God, they suffer actually less, not that they don't

00:31:01.000 go through trouble, but they are able to accept their suffering and have help from God.

00:31:06.000 So one of the things, for example, I remember my brother when he was killed and he wrote

00:31:11.000 me a letter the day before they killed him.

00:31:14.000 And he told me, this is my brother who was scared of dying.

00:31:17.000 If you left him in the darkness, he will scream like, oh my God, you know, I'm dying and we

00:31:22.000 will open quickly.

00:31:23.000 The day before they killed him, my brother wrote to me a letter and he said, if I die,

00:31:28.000 do not worry.

00:31:29.000 I will go to heaven because I'm prepared for that.

00:31:32.000 So people who die, yeah, he told me that the letter is in my book left to tell as a copy

00:31:38.000 of that.

00:31:39.000 So people who live with God, even dying, it's like God prepares you.

00:31:45.000 I saw people who were there when they killed my brother.

00:31:47.000 They told me he was strong.

00:31:49.000 And he was telling them, you are going to go to, you know, you can end up in hell for

00:31:54.000 what you are doing.

00:31:55.000 I know where I'm going, but what about you?

00:31:57.000 What are you doing is not good. 0.51

00:31:59.000 You are killing innocent people.

00:32:01.000 My brother was about to be killed with machetes and he was talking, preaching before they 0.53

00:32:06.000 killed him.

00:32:07.000 Where do you get that strength?

00:32:08.000 That is the strength that comes from these prayers, from the seven sorrows, from the

00:32:14.000 grace of God, from the grace of Waledi.

00:32:16.000 And when, you know, I truly believe that people who die when they love Waledi, when they pray

00:32:21.000 the seven sorrows, they are given the grace to know that is coming and to be strong.

00:32:25.000 So suffering is a part of life.

00:32:27.000 I mean, people who lived in 1800, they all died.

00:32:30.000 People who lived in 1700, they all died. 0.90

00:32:33.000 So we will die, but the grace of acceptance and living well, suffering well, offering it

00:32:41.000 to God and uniting our suffering with Jesus and our lady.

00:32:45.000 And that to me, what matters.

00:32:47.000 So we maybe will be martyred, but we're not worried about that.

00:32:52.000 You saw my book, my story about, you know, I mean, I left to tell.

00:32:56.000 I still remember in the beginning of the whole time when I was in the bathroom, you know,

00:33:01.000 I hid three months in the bathroom with other seven women. 1.00

00:33:04.000 I was in pain.

00:33:05.000 I mean, it was hell.

00:33:06.000 I would have a headache.

00:33:07.000 I was angry.

00:33:08.000 My stomach was aching.

00:33:10.000 How dare, how can this be?

00:33:12.000 What did we do wrong?

00:33:13.000 I had all these questions that were causing me more pain.

00:33:16.000 And then somewhere in the middle of that, there was the pain became worse because they

00:33:22.000 came to search for us.

00:33:23.000 They literally stopped at the door by the grace of God.

00:33:26.000 And then they kept coming back.

00:33:28.000 But because of that desperation, it pushed me and the grace of God, it pushed me to start

00:33:34.000 praying from my heart.

00:33:35.000 But when I started praying, I still remember I prayed 27 rosaries every single day and

00:33:41.000 40 divine mercy chaplets every single day.

00:33:44.000 And it was through that, that I was able to find forgiveness truly by the grace of God.

00:33:50.000 And to this, they have never gone back to say, Oh, why did I forgive them?

00:33:54.000 Or maybe I should not have, or they die.

00:33:56.000 No, truly peace came to my heart.

00:33:59.000 But I still remember when the situation was a little better, I was suffering more beyond

00:34:05.000 words.

00:34:06.000 And the situation got worse when I was praying, meditating on the sorrows of our Lord.

00:34:11.000 And it felt like I was living in a bubble.

00:34:14.000 I felt the grace of God and I will cry.

00:34:17.000 I was scared, but not the same way in the desperation.

00:34:21.000 So, and I came out.

00:34:22.000 I remember when I found out my whole family had been killed.

00:34:25.000 I threw the rosary on the side for a few minutes because I thought there's no way I

00:34:30.000 can lose my whole family and feel the way I'm feeling.

00:34:33.000 I am suffering, but not like crushed, not desperate.

00:34:37.000 And there was something almost like a shelter.

00:34:40.000 So the grace of God, for those who pray, those who are united with a lady, it's really

00:34:46.000 palpable.

00:34:47.000 Even if you are dying, you will be able to accept it.

00:34:50.000 I know a very prayerful person who died, you know, some few years ago and his wife told

00:34:56.000 him, we are praying for healing for you.

00:34:59.000 And he turned against his wife like, who told you I'm looking for healing?

00:35:03.000 I want to meet my Lord.

00:35:04.000 I want to meet our lady.

00:35:06.000 That was a very faithful man.

00:35:08.000 So dying is not the worst thing, not even suffering.

00:35:11.000 The worst thing is to die without God, to live without God.

00:35:15.000 I mean, sometimes you see in the world, people who seemingly have everything and take their

00:35:20.000 life away because they are suffering with something without God.

00:35:25.000 They are suffering in ways that they don't feel that presence of God really, you know,

00:35:30.000 consolation inside.

00:35:31.000 So you hold on to a lady, whatever come, as long as we hold on to God, it will be fine. 0.96

00:35:37.000 Even if it is in death, then we'll be able to face it.

00:35:40.000 Like the saints have done it.

00:35:42.000 Absolutely.

00:35:43.000 Something you said really struck me about your brother.

00:35:46.000 Um, you said how, um, he's the one who if left in a dark room would scream out of fear.

00:35:55.000 Um, how old was he when he died?

00:35:58.000 And, and, and tell us a little bit about that transformation.

00:36:01.000 Cause I think a lot of people are there.

00:36:03.000 A lot of people think to themselves now, you know, yeah, you know, I'm a Catholic now.

00:36:08.000 And I love the faith, but gosh, if somebody comes to torture me for it and they bend my finger,

00:36:13.000 I'm going to scream and go, ah, at that, that transformation.

00:36:17.000 Therefore your description of him is so fascinating because a lot of people are there.

00:36:22.000 Hey, I'm so scared.

00:36:25.000 When I bumped my toe, I scream and shout, how's it going to be?

00:36:29.000 If, if someone asked me to, to, to abandon the faith, otherwise they're going to kill me or hurt me or harm me.

00:36:34.000 What happened there?

00:36:36.000 It is really do not be fearful.

00:36:39.000 You pray.

00:36:40.000 You know, I have a scarf right now written pray, pray, pray, because that is really the message of a lady.

00:36:45.000 She gives in everywhere she appears.

00:36:47.000 One thing she repeats, especially three times, pray, pray, pray.

00:36:51.000 That was in Ikebeho.

00:36:53.000 I saw the grace of the prayer that comes from prayer.

00:36:56.000 Miracles do happen.

00:36:57.000 You hold on to God.

00:36:59.000 You hold on to the truth and do not worry.

00:37:02.000 Nothing in my life would have ever prepared me that I would ever even take what I went through.

00:37:07.000 I used to cry for like a month.

00:37:09.000 If I dreamt that my mom died, then it would be like a sorrow.

00:37:12.000 I can't wake up.

00:37:13.000 I'm crying.

00:37:14.000 And then she died.

00:37:15.000 And through prayer, truly not again, that I'm any strong.

00:37:18.000 I found the strength to accept it.

00:37:20.000 My brother, I still remember within.

00:37:23.000 So he died a month after the genocide have just started because he was hiding.

00:37:27.000 So before we went into hiding, he, I remember he looked at me.

00:37:32.000 He says, how are you strong?

00:37:34.000 You look, you seem stronger than me.

00:37:36.000 I don't know.

00:37:37.000 I think we're going to die.

00:37:38.000 Even if we die, so what?

00:37:40.000 I always loved our ladies so much.

00:37:42.000 And my brother did too, but I still remember that conversation.

00:37:45.000 I don't think I can take it.

00:37:47.000 Just let's keep praying.

00:37:49.000 So the man who hid him within a month, he had that transformation.

00:37:53.000 The man who hid him, he told me, your brother was praying.

00:37:58.000 I mean, he was hidden underground.

00:38:00.000 He was hidden on top of the house.

00:38:02.000 He put him in the ceiling of the house.

00:38:04.000 And there was always a threat that they're going to find him.

00:38:07.000 But he prayed to a point where within that month, like a few days before he was killed,

00:38:12.000 he told his friend, I think I will die.

00:38:16.000 And his friend told him, no, you can't think like that.

00:38:19.000 You don't be scared.

00:38:20.000 Don't give up.

00:38:21.000 And he looked at him.

00:38:22.000 He said, no, I'm not giving up.

00:38:24.000 I just feel my heart.

00:38:26.000 There will be victory because no one can just have the permission to kill other people

00:38:31.000 without God willing it.

00:38:33.000 And he's not going to exterminate everyone.

00:38:35.000 Some will die.

00:38:36.000 Others will leave.

00:38:37.000 He said, it's not desperation.

00:38:39.000 It's not fear.

00:38:40.000 I just feel my time have come and I will work from up there.

00:38:44.000 So his friend to this day, he tells me, you brother didn't die because he was scared.

00:38:51.000 Or he didn't die desperate.

00:38:53.000 He just felt it was his time.

00:38:56.000 How he felt it, I don't know.

00:38:58.000 And again, he faced his killers.

00:39:00.000 I still go to my village.

00:39:01.000 I meet people who were there.

00:39:03.000 Anytime I go back, I want to ask again.

00:39:05.000 What did he say?

00:39:06.000 How did he look?

00:39:07.000 He said he was talking to us like in conversation.

00:39:10.000 And he actually was quoting some people.

00:39:13.000 Like you, why don't you do it? 1.00

00:39:15.000 Just come and kill me. 1.00

00:39:16.000 You keep torturing me thinking that I'm going to change my mind, but come and kill me. 1.00

00:39:21.000 I know you're not going to change. 1.00

00:39:22.000 Come and kill me. 1.00

00:39:23.000 Like my brother was saying that. 1.00

00:39:25.000 Not one day he insulted them.

00:39:27.000 He was speaking about heaven.

00:39:28.000 So within that month of intense prayer, he have completely accepted everything.

00:39:34.000 So that is concerned me a lot.

00:39:37.000 And again, I saw my own transformation when I was praying the rosary every day.

00:39:41.000 And I saw that transformation.

00:39:43.000 And it really does happen.

00:39:46.000 Another thing, whatever you fear about, instead of being scared, turn it into prayer.

00:39:53.000 Tell God what you're scared about.

00:39:55.000 God, please don't let me die this way.

00:39:57.000 Or don't let this happen.

00:39:59.000 God is almighty.

00:40:00.000 He will do something.

00:40:02.000 There is some story I know in Rwanda or so.

00:40:04.000 They told me recently, this woman who gave a testimony how she survived.

00:40:09.000 So she was with people, a group of people, her family.

00:40:12.000 And the killers were about to find them.

00:40:14.000 So one of the family members said, okay, this is the time we give our soul to God.

00:40:19.000 Just tell him to welcome us because it looks like they're going to kill us.

00:40:24.000 So the woman, one of them who survived, by the way, she said, not me.

00:40:29.000 I am not giving you my soul.

00:40:31.000 Not now.

00:40:32.000 I know I will die, but not now.

00:40:34.000 Dear God, please, not now.

00:40:36.000 So they will.

00:40:37.000 She was saying, I don't want to give you my soul.

00:40:39.000 Not now.

00:40:40.000 If you are there, save my life.

00:40:42.000 I don't want to die now.

00:40:43.000 I will die later, but not now.

00:40:45.000 And she made it.

00:40:46.000 They hit them.

00:40:47.000 She fell down.

00:40:48.000 And after she woke up, she survived.

00:40:51.000 So I think I also have learned truly to trust God enough to say, of course, I'm a human.

00:40:57.000 I'm going to die.

00:40:58.000 But please don't let me die this way.

00:41:01.000 God is a father.

00:41:03.000 If you truly mean it from your heart, of course you will die, but maybe another way.

00:41:08.000 I still remember also during the genocide. 0.53

00:41:10.000 I remember telling God, let me, I can die tomorrow.

00:41:13.000 I can die next week, but I just don't want to die like this.

00:41:17.000 God, hear our prayers.

00:41:19.000 Our Lord told us, ask shall be given.

00:41:21.000 Not the door will be open, but pray unceasingly.

00:41:24.000 Let God be, you know, fill your heart.

00:41:29.000 Think of him.

00:41:30.000 Don't, don't give time to, you know.

00:41:33.000 Our lady used to tell us in the Kibe home, she used to say, my children, don't wear your faith.

00:41:37.000 Like a jacket you put on Sunday.

00:41:39.000 And when you get home, you remove it.

00:41:41.000 And then you live another life that is not godly.

00:41:44.000 Always have on your faith.

00:41:46.000 The way you speak, the way you live, the way you visit friends.

00:41:49.000 Let your faith be part of what you think, what you say, what you do.

00:41:53.000 And God is forgiving.

00:41:55.000 God is forgiving.

00:41:56.000 It doesn't mean that you can't afford any sin.

00:41:58.000 I mean, I go to confession every two weeks.

00:42:00.000 And no matter how much I try to do good, I find something I do wrong always.

00:42:04.000 What I could have done.

00:42:05.000 And I didn't do.

00:42:07.000 That was good.

00:42:08.000 That was necessary.

00:42:09.000 Loving somebody.

00:42:10.000 Caring about somebody.

00:42:11.000 So, God is rich.

00:42:13.000 And it's really good to trust him and to love him.

00:42:16.000 And talk to him like a father.

00:42:18.000 The church is in the greatest crisis of its 2,000-year history.

00:42:24.000 The church, our mother, needs your help like never before.

00:42:29.000 Bishop Fulton J. Sheen said,

00:42:31.000 Who's going to save our church?

00:42:32.000 It's not the bishops.

00:42:33.000 It's not our priests.

00:42:35.000 It's not the religious.

00:42:36.000 It's up to you, the people.

00:42:38.000 You have the minds, the eyes, and the ears to save our church.

00:42:41.000 Your mission is to see that priests act like priests.

00:42:44.000 Your bishops act like bishops.

00:42:46.000 And the religious act like religious.

00:42:49.000 Those are the words of Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen.

00:42:53.000 And yes, we are called to pray and fast.

00:42:58.000 We're all called to pray and fast about this.

00:43:00.000 But some of you are called to lead this fight.

00:43:03.000 Some of you are called to fund the effort.

00:43:06.000 Where are you called?

00:43:09.000 Pray about that.

00:43:12.000 And heed the Holy Spirit.

00:43:17.000 As you know, the Synod on Synodality is about to launch.

00:43:20.000 LifeSite will be there reporting every day on what's taking place.

00:43:25.000 And we already know that it will be a scandal.

00:43:29.000 But we are also called to act.

00:43:32.000 And some, especially those called by the Holy Spirit, are asked to speak boldly, to reject the falsehood and stand for the unchanged and unchangeable truth of Christ and his one holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.

00:43:51.000 If you feel that you are called to be one of those leaders, consider joining us in Rome at the end of the Synod.

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00:45:06.000 And now, back to the program.

00:45:09.000 How do we reconcile this idea of joy and enjoying ourselves while at the same time trying to be detached from the things of the world?

00:45:24.000 It's one of those things that, you know, our Lord in the scriptures says, you know, St. John the Baptist fasted and they called him crazy for doing that.

00:45:33.000 And then when our Lord came eating and drinking, they called him a glutton and a drunkard.

00:45:36.000 We're called to fast.

00:45:39.000 We're called to pray.

00:45:40.000 We're called to detach from the things of this world.

00:45:43.000 And yet there's no sin in enjoying ourselves sometimes and doing that kind of thing.

00:45:50.000 Obviously not to excess.

00:45:53.000 But where do you see Our Lady's vision for us in that?

00:45:59.000 I know that she is described by the saints of having basically been detached from everything.

00:46:05.000 And yet she had a lot of joy in this life.

00:46:08.000 Where do you see that?

00:46:09.000 Definitely.

00:46:10.000 Yes.

00:46:11.000 That's a good question.

00:46:12.000 You know, God is a king of joy.

00:46:14.000 God wants us to be happy.

00:46:15.000 Our Lady wants us to be happy.

00:46:17.000 One of the messages, again, she was telling us in Ikibeo, she said, suffering is a part of life.

00:46:22.000 As long as you live on Earth, it's a part of life.

00:46:25.000 It's like sending a kid to school and expect them to do good without having to suffer the time away from friends, the time away from just having fun.

00:46:37.000 You have to study.

00:46:38.000 You have to make sacrifices.

00:46:40.000 So the true joy comes from a balance of sacrificing and, of course, enjoying.

00:46:46.000 Enjoy the company of your friends, but also go to study.

00:46:50.000 So then you will be able to do good in school.

00:46:52.000 So Our Lady wants us to be happy.

00:46:54.000 Just don't let the enemy lie to us.

00:46:56.000 There is some what we call enjoyment that comes from sin or comes from laziness.

00:47:02.000 So there's a balance between working, between also being silent, between resting and working.

00:47:09.000 Speaking, laughing, be silent.

00:47:12.000 As long as you know in your heart you are not doing wrong, you are not sinning.

00:47:16.000 And if you sin, go to confession, you will be happy.

00:47:19.000 For example, in Ikibeo, when she came to appear to the visionaries, she told them about self-mortification.

00:47:27.000 Like this body had to submit to the spirit.

00:47:31.000 I always say this is how I see it.

00:47:33.000 I feel like we have a body and we have our soul.

00:47:36.000 And this cohabits together and they need one another.

00:47:40.000 But if I feed my body so much that I forget to feed my soul, which is prayer, sacrifice,

00:47:47.000 detach from the things that make this body too, you know, joyful or having too much fun,

00:47:53.000 and detach from that, so then there is a balance.

00:47:56.000 If I feed three times my body, if I take snacks twice, so that's five times, I need to pray

00:48:02.000 more because I want the soul to rule over the body.

00:48:06.000 There's a proverb in Rwanda we have.

00:48:09.000 We say, when the body is too satisfied, the soul is sleeping.

00:48:15.000 The soul falls asleep.

00:48:18.000 So in some ways, you have also to satisfy the body in a good way that is not sinful to God,

00:48:25.000 but also let the soul rule.

00:48:28.000 Take the time so that this body is not ruling the soul.

00:48:32.000 So it's really a balance, again, in a mystical way, in a very mysterious way.

00:48:37.000 That's how it works.

00:48:39.000 We work and we rest.

00:48:42.000 You know, we suffer and then we are joyful as long as we are close to God.

00:48:47.000 In this world, we also have to remember that this is an exile.

00:48:51.000 The true joy, full joy will happen when we are in heaven.

00:48:55.000 So not now.

00:48:57.000 So we have to have that balance.

00:48:58.000 But the true joy also comes from giving ourselves, accepting those suffering.

00:49:03.000 You know, there's one thing I really love.

00:49:06.000 Of course, with my work, I do a lot of charities.

00:49:09.000 I can say a lot of.

00:49:10.000 I do the best I can.

00:49:12.000 You know, I truly cannot just, oh, let me take care of myself

00:49:15.000 and just my children or my family.

00:49:17.000 I have to take care of people I don't even know, you know.

00:49:20.000 So, however, it brings me such a joy to care for somebody I expect nothing from.

00:49:26.000 Just to, I don't even know.

00:49:29.000 Like, let me pay interest for people in Rwanda, in this area.

00:49:33.000 And I have realized that the more I don't know them, the more happy I am.

00:49:38.000 To have some way, I'm not expecting something.

00:49:41.000 So why does it work that way?

00:49:43.000 Why does it give you joy?

00:49:44.000 I don't know, but that's how it works.

00:49:46.000 Of something else I wrote in my book, Left to Tell.

00:49:49.000 There is a priest who told me after the genocide.

00:49:52.000 He was also a psychologist.

00:49:54.000 He have learned, you know, psychology.

00:49:56.000 I went to him and I was crying.

00:49:59.000 I miss my parents.

00:50:00.000 I miss my brothers, my grandparents.

00:50:02.000 I mean, 30 years later, I still cry.

00:50:04.000 Not out of anger.

00:50:05.000 I cry because I love them and I miss them.

00:50:09.000 And I've been privileged to have many dreams about them.

00:50:12.000 However, when I told him right after the genocide, I was crying and I thought, okay, good. 0.98

00:50:18.000 He's a good priest.

00:50:19.000 He's just going to give me a pill, something.

00:50:21.000 Maybe just tell me what to do.

00:50:23.000 Then this pain will not be so much, you know, of missing them.

00:50:26.000 After he heard me, he said, I don't know what happened to you, but you are not as broken

00:50:31.000 as many people.

00:50:32.000 What happened?

00:50:33.000 What did you do?

00:50:34.000 I'm like, are you kidding me?

00:50:35.000 Don't you see how broken I am?

00:50:37.000 Do you see what a mess I am?

00:50:39.000 I was crying.

00:50:40.000 He said, no, what you are suffering from is the lack of affection of your loved ones.

00:50:47.000 But you are together somehow.

00:50:48.000 I don't know what happened to you.

00:50:50.000 And then he said, but that affection, there is a way you can get it back.

00:50:54.000 I said, how can I get back the affection of my mom?

00:50:57.000 She's not here anymore.

00:50:58.000 He said, what really our Lord have told us?

00:51:01.000 He said, by giving it.

00:51:03.000 And be careful of how you give it.

00:51:06.000 Give it to those who need it most.

00:51:08.000 And he started to name.

00:51:10.000 He said, go to the hospitals.

00:51:13.000 Find the people who have no one to visit them.

00:51:15.000 And visit them.

00:51:17.000 Look at them.

00:51:18.000 How you wish your mom will look at you.

00:51:20.000 Treat them how your dad will treat you.

00:51:23.000 How your brothers will care for you.

00:51:25.000 Take them, not the shirt that is old.

00:51:28.000 Take them a nice one.

00:51:29.000 Like, what do you know your parents will do for you?

00:51:32.000 Okay.

00:51:33.000 But that's the Bible.

00:51:34.000 And then he said, go to the orphanage.

00:51:37.000 Hug those kids as if your mom was hugging you.

00:51:41.000 Like, give them like your best.

00:51:42.000 Don't hold back.

00:51:43.000 Clean them.

00:51:44.000 You know, touch them how you wish your parents will touch you.

00:51:47.000 If you do that, the joy, the love will come back to you.

00:51:53.000 Which I didn't understand much.

00:51:54.000 But I said, you know what?

00:51:55.000 Let me do that.

00:51:56.000 And I started to go to Mother Teresa's orphanage.

00:51:58.000 Mother Teresa's orphanage.

00:51:59.000 I mean, I spent time there.

00:52:01.000 They became my family in Rwanda.

00:52:03.000 I would hug those kids.

00:52:04.000 One would be sitting on my shoulder.

00:52:06.000 Another one on my head.

00:52:07.000 Another one on my lap.

00:52:09.000 I just love them.

00:52:10.000 Like, I had to close my eyes and remember her mom would hug me.

00:52:13.000 And I am not kidding.

00:52:15.000 It healed my life to another level.

00:52:17.000 Just by loving.

00:52:19.000 By caring.

00:52:20.000 By giving myself.

00:52:21.000 By getting dirty with those kids. 0.61

00:52:24.000 And let them clean their hands on me. 1.00

00:52:27.000 And that made me feel good and healed.

00:52:30.000 And gave me joy.

00:52:31.000 Joy.

00:52:32.000 So it's really.

00:52:33.000 You can't try to explain scientifically.

00:52:36.000 This happened.

00:52:37.000 How can you be happy?

00:52:39.000 You follow Jesus.

00:52:40.000 You pray.

00:52:41.000 You sacrifice.

00:52:42.000 You fast.

00:52:43.000 One day a week.

00:52:44.000 Twice a week.

00:52:45.000 The joy will come to you.

00:52:47.000 You love another person.

00:52:48.000 Give yourself without expecting.

00:52:50.000 There's a great joy that will come to you.

00:52:52.000 So I leave it more by experience.

00:52:56.000 And by trying to listen.

00:52:57.000 Than trying to understand.

00:52:59.000 And the results are always so beautiful.

00:53:04.000 Immaculate.

00:53:05.000 Absolutely beautiful.

00:53:06.000 Tell us.

00:53:07.000 Where can we get your book?

00:53:08.000 And where can we get a Seven Sorrows Rosary?

00:53:11.000 Oh, thank you.

00:53:12.000 So you can get my book.

00:53:13.000 Actually, I send it signed on my website.

00:53:16.000 Immaculate.com.

00:53:17.000 Also the Seven Sorrows Rosary.

00:53:19.000 You can get them there.

00:53:20.000 You can also follow me on Instagram.

00:53:22.000 I really love to.

00:53:24.000 To post.

00:53:25.000 Just do things that will really encourage people.

00:53:27.000 The other day.

00:53:28.000 I posted this man.

00:53:30.000 I mean this priest.

00:53:31.000 Beautiful priest.

00:53:32.000 God bless him.

00:53:33.000 Father Slavko.

00:53:34.000 He was saying.

00:53:35.000 You know.

00:53:36.000 Anytime you start fasting.

00:53:37.000 You.

00:53:38.000 People ask you.

00:53:39.000 Why?

00:53:40.000 Why are you doing that?

00:53:41.000 And then he said.

00:53:42.000 It is more dangerous to eat too much.

00:53:44.000 Than fasting twice a week.

00:53:46.000 I'm like.

00:53:47.000 That's exactly it.

00:53:48.000 You know.

00:53:49.000 So also.

00:53:50.000 I posted.

00:53:51.000 The miracles that are happening.

00:53:52.000 On my.

00:53:53.000 And there's.

00:53:54.000 In my shop.

00:53:55.000 Also on my Instagram.

00:53:56.000 My last name.

00:53:57.000 Ilibagiza.

00:53:58.000 Imakile.

00:53:59.000 That's how.

00:54:00.000 My address.

00:54:01.000 So yeah.

00:54:02.000 On my website.

00:54:03.000 And I hope.

00:54:04.000 Please.

00:54:05.000 If anyone.

00:54:06.000 Can I actually do it?

00:54:07.000 Because I already said.

00:54:08.000 Bring me my children.

00:54:09.000 So.

00:54:10.000 The visionary would tell us.

00:54:11.000 And we say.

00:54:12.000 Okay.

00:54:13.000 We would do that.

00:54:14.000 And the first time.

00:54:15.000 I remember.

00:54:16.000 I took programs.

00:54:17.000 There were 14.

00:54:18.000 And in the week.

00:54:19.000 I was speaking.

00:54:20.000 Like.

00:54:21.000 To 5,000 people.

00:54:22.000 And I took 14 people.

00:54:23.000 And I thought.

00:54:24.000 What am I going to do?

00:54:25.000 In a week.

00:54:26.000 14 people.

00:54:27.000 That's it.

00:54:28.000 And those 14 people.

00:54:29.000 Went to Kibeho.

00:54:30.000 Everyone came.

00:54:31.000 And became an apostle.

00:54:32.000 They went.

00:54:33.000 And spoke to their church.

00:54:34.000 They reached more people.

00:54:35.000 In one week.

00:54:36.000 So.

00:54:37.000 Again.

00:54:38.000 Listening to our lady.

00:54:39.000 We just have to close our.

00:54:40.000 Human intelligence.

00:54:41.000 And just do her will.

00:54:43.000 So if you ever want to come.

00:54:44.000 To join him.

00:54:45.000 On a pilgrimage.

00:54:46.000 As our lady.

00:54:47.000 Invited us.

00:54:48.000 There are so many blessings.

00:54:49.000 That are given.

00:54:50.000 Beautiful.

00:54:51.000 Immaculate.

00:54:52.000 Thank you so much.

00:54:53.000 For being with us.

00:54:54.000 God bless you.

00:54:55.000 Thank you.

00:54:56.000 And all that you're doing.

00:54:57.000 For him.

00:54:58.000 And for our lady.

00:54:59.000 Absolutely beautiful.

00:55:00.000 And God bless all of you.

00:55:02.000 And we'll see you next time.

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The John-Henry Westen Show - September 20, 2023

Immaculée Ilibagiza： How Meditating On Our Lady's Sorrow Heals My Sorrows

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