The John-Henry Westen Show - In-Depth Analysis of The ‘De-Transition’ Movement

00:00:00.000 This is intentionally damaging the body in pursuit of a physiological impossibility.

00:00:08.100 This is surgery in pursuit of a lie. And the pictures will send you into apoplexy.

00:00:21.980 Hey, my friends, I'm sure you've all heard a lot about the trans ideology.

00:00:25.700 You know, you've seen the women's sports being taken over by men. 1.00

00:00:28.880 You've seen the complaints of women when men end up in women's change rooms. 1.00

00:00:32.600 You've seen what goes on in the classroom with, you know, teachers trying to indoctrinate children into this bringing in, you know, these these drag queens for story hours. 0.99

00:00:43.160 And this this total distortion, you've seen politicians say that, you know, define a woman, even Supreme Court justices.

00:00:50.100 I can't do that. It's unbelievable.

00:00:53.040 But a lot of us don't know the internals of what's happening in here.

00:00:58.120 The actual horrors that happened to young people that happened to people.

00:01:03.980 And we're seeing a little bit of that with the detransitioners coming out. 1.00

00:01:07.360 But somebody who's gone into it in depth is a Christian journalist by the name of Brandon Showalter.

00:01:14.600 And he was so affected by this that he started his own podcast on it called Generation Indoctrination.

00:01:21.640 He's going to give us an inside glimpse into this rather horrific world.

00:01:27.100 A bit of viewer discretion advised.

00:01:29.340 This is not for children to watch.

00:01:32.060 However, it's definitely for your teens because they're getting it whether you know it or not.

00:01:37.640 This is the John Henry Weston Show.

00:01:39.560 Stay tuned.

00:01:42.520 Brandon Showalter, welcome to the program.

00:01:45.200 Thank you, John Henry.

00:01:46.060 It's really good to be with you today.

00:01:48.200 Let's begin as you always do.

00:01:49.480 Sign of the cross.

00:01:51.160 In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost.

00:01:56.360 Amen.

00:01:56.680 So, Brandon, why don't you start with telling us a little bit about yourself and how did you get here into this topic?

00:02:04.840 I started as a journalist in the summer of 2016.

00:02:10.540 And interestingly enough, my first day on the job during my trial period was the day after that horrific massacre at the Pulse nightclub in Orlando.

00:02:19.340 51, I think 50 men were killed in cold blood.

00:02:24.320 Omar Mateen.

00:02:25.060 It was a horrible massacre.

00:02:26.820 And so right from the jump, I was thrown into covering all of these LGBT related issues, particularly the church's response to that massacre.

00:02:34.860 I remember writing an article about that, and somehow that just kind of morphed as the days and weeks went by.

00:02:42.500 And I started to see how everything had pivoted from LGB issues.

00:02:49.340 And this was about a year after Obergefell ruling came down where it legalized same-sex marriage nationwide.

00:02:55.000 Things were suddenly all about the trans and queer and all of the other letters that keep being added.

00:03:02.720 And so it was just, this was not something that I had ever intended to cover, but it just kind of, that's the way it happened.

00:03:11.120 And I started to realize how the media was completely captured ideologically.

00:03:16.080 I would read mainstream sources and I would see phrases such as assign the wrong sex at birth or using she to describe males.

00:03:25.100 And I couldn't even keep it straight what I was reading.

00:03:28.360 I was just so confused by it.

00:03:29.900 And then it really hit me that, oh no, this is an ideology that's being portrayed as normal and good and objectively true.

00:03:40.820 And the confusion was, as I often have said, a feature, not a bug of the ideology.

00:03:46.080 And the more I researched, then I realized how it had infected the medical industry and that they were actually putting children on experimental drugs, such as puberty blockers, and then followed on by cross-sex hormones and surgeries.

00:04:01.120 And when I learned about how this had affected young people medically, that's when something inside me just kind of broke.

00:04:09.200 And I knew that I, as a Christian and a journalist, had to write about this critically.

00:04:14.080 And in 2017, the publication I worked for, the Christian Post, did an article series, and this became one of my main beats, as we say, in the news business.

00:04:24.480 But as time has gone by, we have continued to just sound the alarm.

00:04:29.680 And as a publication have been very much a bulwark against gender ideology as a whole, but we believe that the most egregious harm is being done to children, teenagers, young adults, and their families.

00:04:43.120 And that led us to do our documentary-style investigative podcast, the first season, which started in the fall of 2022.

00:04:51.760 Second season was the e-book that I co-authored.

00:04:54.460 We did an audio book of that for season two.

00:04:56.220 And we have just finished season three of this documentary-style podcast series, all of which is available on our landing page at generationindoctrination.com, wherever you get your podcasts.

00:05:07.120 It's on all platforms as well.

00:05:08.780 But we have never stopped sounding the alarm because we believe it is one of the worst medical scandals of all time.

00:05:15.560 And it's a family-fracturing scourge.

00:05:17.580 So, when this all began, a lot of people thought, myself included, you know, this is, what is this?

00:05:26.260 I mean, this is nonsense.

00:05:28.040 This is, you know, some guys found an interesting way to achieve their goals in sports when they couldn't make it in men's sports.

00:05:37.920 But this goes so much deeper.

00:05:40.960 The fact that they're going after children, they're serious.

00:05:44.580 It almost seems impossible.

00:05:47.340 But many, many people don't know.

00:05:49.520 Tell us what's actually happening.

00:05:51.420 Start with children, if you will.

00:05:53.980 You're correct that this seems so outlandish and crazy that it's as though people have this analysis paralysis about them when you tell them, even when you show them original source material.

00:06:06.460 But in hospitals all across this country and in Canada, I'm an American and you're in Canada, it's atrocious.

00:06:14.720 This ideology has been mainstreamed from the top down.

00:06:18.420 This is, you know, social engineering from people in high places, very wicked, ideologically captured.

00:06:26.300 The breadth of this is just insane.

00:06:31.680 But just I'll talk about what's happening to children, but give a little bit of history so that I can provide some context.

00:06:39.580 But this migrated across the Atlantic from the Netherlands, which is where the first well-known case report of doctors using a puberty blocking agent to halt the normal developmental process in a gender-confused teenager.

00:06:58.000 And then it migrated across the Atlantic.

00:07:00.520 What year are we talking there?

00:07:01.940 Where in history are we?

00:07:03.060 1998, 1998.

00:07:04.740 Okay.

00:07:05.260 And then it migrated across the Atlantic.

00:07:07.720 And in 2007, the first pediatric gender clinic in the United States was opened at Boston Children's Hospital.

00:07:14.500 Norman Spack was the main doctor that was instrumental in that.

00:07:17.920 And so very quietly from 2007 through 2015, this was just sort of brewing under the radar.

00:07:25.420 But now every major children's hospital has a gender clinic in it, and it's just grown very, very stealthily and very quietly.

00:07:35.360 And meanwhile, the Dutch have backpedaled all across Europe. 1.00

00:07:38.560 They've backpedaled from this treatment protocol to treat gender confusion in children with a regimen of hormone-blocking drugs like Lupron or tryptorellin.

00:07:50.260 And then they've dramatically scaled back.

00:07:55.840 But here in the United States and in Canada, it's full bore ahead, except with this last year, we saw 17 states implement restrictions of various kinds that are now being sort of contested in the courts.

00:08:07.960 But what's happening to children, it's atrocious because what transgender activists will say is that puberty blockers are just a pause button and that you're just pushing pause on puberty.

00:08:21.120 And then that's to buy people some extra time to decide whether or not they want to continue to then go on with cross-sex hormones or a surgery to alter their body to make it appear, to mimic the other sex. 0.80

00:08:33.640 Well, you can't buy back time and you can't push pause on a normal physiological process.

00:08:39.280 That's not how it works.

00:08:41.960 And so this is a pathway.

00:08:44.820 Almost all children, this has been demonstrated through both in the UK and in here, if you go down this path of puberty blockade, chemical puberty blockade, it's almost a guarantee that you will also follow with cross-sex hormones. 0.66

00:08:59.520 And the combo, the combination of blockers and hormones will almost certainly render a child sterile.

00:09:06.040 And so when did it become...

00:09:07.700 And you mean sterile for life?

00:09:10.660 Permanently.

00:09:11.140 And you can't buy your...

00:09:13.000 You foreclose your fertility, you can't get it back. 0.71

00:09:16.540 And so since when?

00:09:17.600 I always ask this question.

00:09:18.860 Since when did it become ethical to sterilize a child, especially when there's no disease like cancer, where sometimes you might, for cancer, you might lose your fertility because your gut, you know, drug, the chemo, and the radiation.

00:09:32.940 That might, unfortunately, you might lose your fertility because of that. 1.00

00:09:36.320 But that's a morally licit reason because you're trying to get rid of a physical disease.

00:09:41.140 Gender confusion, gender identity disorder, gender incongruence, gender dysphoria, whatever you call it, it's a psychological condition that does not warrant a hormonal or surgical intervention.

00:09:52.420 So it's a disgraceful practice.

00:09:54.220 It should never happen, in my opinion.

00:09:56.440 And there are children in this country on the cusp of puberty that are now taking drugs to that end.

00:10:01.340 And then when you get to the surgeries, that is a whole new level of horror.

00:10:07.240 There are girls in this country, in the United States, as young as 13, I've seen this documented in medical journals, that have had their physically healthy breasts amputated.

00:10:14.940 According to the Journal of Sexual Medicine, a surgeon said that he had done a vaginoplasty, which is the amputation of a boy's genitals, right as he was on the cusp of turning 16.

00:10:26.860 I've seen that in print, the 15-year-old boy having his genitals maimed.

00:10:31.200 And usually when they do that to teenage boys, if they've been on blockers, for example, they'll harvest the peritoneum, the abdominal lining, to make a fake vagina, which it's just a gruesome Frankenstein surgery. 0.81

00:10:44.440 And then, of course, there's other surgeries like the chondrolaryngoplasty, which is where they shave the Adam's apple down, these other eyebrow shave facial surgeries. 0.55

00:10:55.060 And then there's the orchiectomy, which is just a castration removal of the testicles. 0.74

00:10:59.360 And then the most gruesome surgery of all, and I know of a 19-year-old young woman who's undergone this, is where they harvest a portion of forearm flesh, roll it up into a tube to make a fake phallus that they then surgically attach to a young girl's crotch to be a facsimile of a penis, which then, it doesn't work, of course. 0.95

00:11:18.840 It's just brutal.

00:11:20.780 But there's a lot of money to be made on these surgeries, and it's become mainstreamed in all of our hospital systems.

00:11:27.420 And I think, worst of all, that young people today in schools are being ideologically indoctrinated concurrently with these Frankenstein surgeries and medical practices happening in our hospitals.

00:11:42.840 And so this is the first medical scandal that I know of, John Henry, where this is presented to the next generation as the pathway to liberation and becoming your true, authentic self.

00:11:54.600 I don't recall opioids or thalidomide or ice-pick lobotomies to be presented in identity nomenclature.

00:12:04.560 But these young people today believe that they have to take these drugs.

00:12:07.380 They have to undergo these surgeries in order to become who they are.

00:12:11.580 This is neo-gnosticism on steroids, literally.

00:12:15.840 And it's happening to young people.

00:12:17.220 I mean, very young people.

00:12:18.660 Now, the images that we're going to show are very disturbing.

00:12:24.360 They're just some that you need to see.

00:12:27.000 It's not, we're not going to go in depth into all of this.

00:12:29.940 But some of the removal of the skin to perform these surgeries, this is like torture.

00:12:38.560 This is real.

00:12:40.320 Describe that to us, if you would.

00:12:42.220 But some of those images that show, and the quote-unquote healing that they're supposed to undergo, they've got scars for life.

00:12:51.800 And you mentioned also about they're not working parts.

00:12:57.260 This is important because for a lot of these sexual libertarians, sex is still supposed to be everything. 0.53

00:13:10.760 The orgasm and this is the height of everything. 0.51

00:13:15.120 They're actually denying that to all these victims.

00:13:19.020 Get into that a little bit if you can.

00:13:20.840 Oh, this is an anti-sex cult. 0.99

00:13:22.300 Well, if people are, you know, servile to the almighty orgasm, there's no surer way to kill it than to do this because you destroy your sexual function. 0.99

00:13:31.460 So it's a very, it's very anti-sex.

00:13:34.600 But the gender confusion and with these surgeries, when I first saw some of these operations, I felt like the bottom dropped out of the world.

00:13:45.980 I mean, some of these surgeries, they make Dr. Mengele look like a piker. 1.00

00:13:48.800 But what they do in a phalloplasty, for example, is like I said, they harvest a portion of the forearm tissue, the skin and the other tissue, and they roll it up into a tube. 0.79

00:13:59.400 And they have to make a urethra, some kind of, to make it function somewhat like a regular male penis. 1.00

00:14:07.920 But it doesn't work. 0.99

00:14:09.160 It's just kind of hanging there.

00:14:11.040 There's not a steady stream of urine that can come through.

00:14:13.160 It's often a spray.

00:14:14.660 People get sepsis.

00:14:15.740 I mean, it's absolutely monstrous that this is a thing at all.

00:14:22.700 I mean, I often think about when I see this brutality, that phrase in Romans chapter 1 where St. Paul is talking about the wicked people in Corinth and all of the things that he's seeing.

00:14:34.600 And, of course, we know he speaks of all of the kinds of immorality.

00:14:38.680 But then he says this phrase, they invent new ways of doing evil.

00:14:44.140 You know, if this doesn't qualify as that, I'm not sure what does.

00:14:48.520 But this is not – I mean, we as Christians, we believe, I believe, that the human body is the temple of the Holy Spirit.

00:14:55.420 But even if you don't have a regard, a reverential regard for the human frame, and even if you don't have that sort of spiritual understanding of what our bodies are and how we should treat them,

00:15:09.220 you don't have to be a religious person to recognize that the human body is intended to function as a whole unit, as an entire organism.

00:15:19.040 And it needs all of its systems to be intact, to work properly.

00:15:24.620 And so you would never want to remove a physically healthy organ like a breast where you would damage and impede the function.

00:15:32.140 You won't be able to breastfeed if you remove a healthy breast. 1.00

00:15:34.500 Unless it's for a morally licit reason like cancer, you're trying to prevent the spread of a physical disease, you are actually harming the body.

00:15:42.140 And even in these other – even where you have a physical disease, surgery is often seen as a last resort.

00:15:50.720 It's not something you just waltz into, you know, first.

00:15:55.320 I know of cases, John Henry, where within months of young people declaring themselves trans, they had their breasts removed.

00:16:03.080 They were on drugs within 30 minutes of a telehealth call at Planned Parenthood, and they were able to pick up their prescription for testosterone within a few hours.

00:16:12.800 I mean, the hasty, speedy path that this sends young people down, and vulnerable adults as well, it's just mind-blowing.

00:16:22.400 But no, I mean, this is not surgery – when you're actually doing a surgery to try and heal someone's body, it's so that you can get it working.

00:16:35.180 It's usually because you're trying to remove a tumor, get rid of a disease, or in the case of actual cosmetic surgery, you're trying to make the body appear to have its integrity.

00:16:47.840 It's original – like I know of Dr. Patrick Lappert, hero Catholic doctor down in Alabama who does surgeries to try – even for people who have undergone transgender surgery, he tries to – when they desist or they detransition, he tries to help them with the surgery to get their bodies back into the most optimal function and their original appearance.

00:17:07.520 And that's what surgery ought to be.

00:17:09.520 This is intentionally damaging the body in pursuit of a physiological impossibility.

00:17:17.180 This is surgery in pursuit of a lie.

00:17:21.040 And the pictures will send you into apoplexy.

00:17:24.680 I mean, I've said to people, I've had to get counseling for some of the things I've seen.

00:17:28.340 None of this is normal.

00:17:29.580 We should never accept it.

00:17:31.460 A surgery should never be done to remove a physically healthy body part.

00:17:36.420 Medical ethics is just dead as a doornail, in my opinion, that this would ever be something that doctors or surgeons would do.

00:17:44.360 And I have to say, it's also making a lot of people very wealthy because these surgeries, they have a high complication rate, and so you're going to have to go back for a lot of follow-up care.

00:17:56.640 So the tentacles of this just extend.

00:17:59.860 They're very far-reaching.

00:18:02.120 But what they are doing in medical facilities today is abominable.

00:18:08.220 So on your podcast, you've talked to several of these, what they call detransitioners. 1.00

00:18:16.420 Tell us about what that is and what really struck you after talking with them.

00:18:21.840 In episode four, I speak with 2D transitioners to talk about their stories, one man and one woman.

00:18:28.200 And I also interviewed an attorney who's working on some lawsuits against the facilities that have done these surgeries, including he's got a case where he's suing the hospital system that cut the breasts off of a 13-year-old girl.

00:18:44.360 So this is really real, and I also interviewed my friend Jennifer Law, who, by the way, just released a book from Ignatius Press with Callie Fell called The Detransition Diaries, which profiles several of these detransitioners and explains some of the history and how gender ideology erodes biomedical ethics.

00:19:01.140 So I wrote the foreword for that book.

00:19:03.400 So that was really cool.

00:19:04.220 But the detransitioners in that episode, the man and the woman, he had his testicles amputated, and she had her breasts removed, and they were both on hormones. 0.94

00:19:14.360 And they both talked about how the online culture that young people now live in, largely, it's a feeding frenzy.

00:19:24.160 They become swept up into this contagion, and that's where their belief system is fed that somehow they need to hormonally and surgically alter their bodies in order to become who they are.

00:19:39.080 And it's a total lie.

00:19:40.780 Pornography is also a huge influence.

00:19:42.760 The young man that I interviewed, Forrest, talked at length about that, how this kind of forced feminization was very strong.

00:19:51.620 And so he didn't, if you see this, really, a lot of pornography is very violent.

00:19:56.400 And if men who find, you know, dominant, violent men repulsive, and it is, the twisted way in which this warps their mind is that, well, if they don't want to be like that violent man abusing this woman in porn, then that means that they actually are a woman themselves.

00:20:16.660 And so everything gets so warped.

00:20:18.660 And so he was led to believe that, and the confusion just metastasized from there, and he wound up being surgically castrated.

00:20:26.840 And now he has, that poor man has trauma, he can't even see a pair of scissors or clippers without having a traumatic flare-up because of what was done to him.

00:20:36.100 And so it's just so horrible.

00:20:38.840 The other detransitioner woman, Laura, she had her breasts removed, and she had a lot of psychological comorbidities that really drove her thinking. 1.00

00:20:48.480 She had some serious mental health issues, and none of those were explored, and that's very typical in this space.

00:20:54.620 A lot of these young people who are going down this path of trans care, as it's called, gender care, have autism, or they're battling depression or social anxiety, all of these other psychiatric ailments and problems, and they're not explored.

00:21:10.380 And therapy is just sending them down this path, easy-peasy, write your letter, recommend you for surgery, and the pharma companies and the medical industrial complex is laughing all the way to the bank.

00:21:23.700 It's not being hyperbole, people are fast-tracked without any sort of good counseling that would help them accept their maleness or femaleness. 1.00

00:21:37.620 This is a cash cow, and it's devastating to hear the emotional and psychological and even spiritual toll that this has taken on them.

00:21:48.040 Forrest says very poignantly in episode four that he has a broken heart.

00:21:52.560 And worst of all, worst of all, John Henry, it was a progressive church that he used to be a part of that contributed to his feeling like he needed to go and do this kind of thing.

00:22:04.560 When he was transitioning, the progressives in his former church would say, oh, you're so brave.

00:22:10.300 They would heap praise on his journey of transitioning.

00:22:13.800 But it was a Pentecostal pastor who spoke the truth and in love that helped him reintegrate with his male body.

00:22:21.880 And so he's now on the path to recovery and is walking with the Lord.

00:22:26.280 But none of this had to happen.

00:22:28.220 I mean, I'm just, I'm so, when I sit back some days and I just think about what doctors who took an oath to do no harm,

00:22:37.220 I mean, maybe the Hippocratic Oath isn't in every medical school nowadays, but like, when I think about what they have been able to do to so many people,

00:22:46.260 I mean, the anger sometimes just really, I have to work very hard to keep a steady, keep a steady hand because these are atrocities, John Henry.

00:22:56.160 The fact that we have allowed young people to give consent to have their healthy body parts amputated and foreclose their fertility is just, I mean, I lose words just when I think of the wrongness of all of that.

00:23:14.580 This is so wrong.

00:23:16.540 This is an extremely ugly chapter in history.

00:23:19.120 And if ever there was an example of medicine losing its way, it's this, because this is not medicine.

00:23:25.580 This is butchery.

00:23:28.080 Tell us a little bit about the stats, because this has exploded.

00:23:33.540 What you said about social media feeding into this, especially in young people, it's absolutely exploded just by the numbers.

00:23:41.580 Tell us about that.

00:23:43.720 That's right.

00:23:44.480 I think a lot of people are inclined to think that, oh, this is just a few people on the margins.

00:23:49.100 This is a rare thing.

00:23:51.400 First of all, one is too many.

00:23:53.820 I mean, I think the standard should be, I mean, if a doctor was doing a lobotomy today, he'd probably be arrested.

00:24:00.100 And I think the same ought to be for trans surgery.

00:24:03.420 I mean, this is not an ethical practice at all.

00:24:06.100 And so the statistic that I often share that really sort of underscores it, and I've seen this figure from the American Society for Plastic Surgeons, they publish their numbers every year.

00:24:18.800 And there was a, well, there's actually a couple statistics that are relevant from that group.

00:24:22.680 But between 2016 and 2017, the number of gender surgeries on females, as shown by that group, this is also documented in Abigail Schreier's watershed book, Irreversible Damage, that from 2016 to 2017, the number of gender surgeries on females quadrupled.

00:24:41.100 And in 2020, just to underscore this point, I remember seeing that on, they call them gender confirmation surgeries.

00:24:50.000 That's the euphemism they use, of course.

00:24:51.780 Everything's so woke now.

00:24:53.260 I remember seeing 8,548 breast amputations on females.

00:24:59.680 Some of those are likely minors, but some of, and again, they're probably dealing with all sorts of mental health issues too.

00:25:04.820 8,548 breast amputations in 2020.

00:25:08.520 Keep in mind, that's when COVID was walloping the world and a lot of medical facilities were shut down, but that didn't stop these people.

00:25:15.460 And if you divide 8,548 by 261, 261 is business days per year, that's 32.7 breast amputations in this country per weekday.

00:25:29.840 Dozens per day, per weekday in this country.

00:25:33.340 And that has only continued.

00:25:34.780 There was a very, the Journal of American Medical Association, this came out several months ago, where they showed the rising rates of gender surgeries being done on people ages 18 and under.

00:25:51.520 And I think the figure was like 1,200 per year, but it averaged out if you also do the math with, you know, dividing the numbers.

00:26:00.120 1,200 divided by 261 is 4.6 approximately surgeries on minors, 18 and under per weekday.

00:26:08.600 So, you know, think about today, you know, 4.6 kids will have their body parts cut off.

00:26:16.140 One is too many, but this is happening on a daily basis.

00:26:20.700 And the manipulation and the gaslighting around this is just like, these kids are going to commit suicide unless you do this.

00:26:26.780 And if you believe that, gullible is too kind of word to describe you.

00:26:30.060 You don't cut a child's body parts off because you're afraid they're going to kill themselves later.

00:26:35.880 How much sense does that make?

00:26:37.320 You don't castrate a child with drugs or surgery and believe they're actually going to wind up dead.

00:26:42.800 And that's what they'll say.

00:26:44.280 There have been a few anecdotal cases of trans-identified young people taking their own lives.

00:26:50.180 And of course, it's tragic.

00:26:51.420 Wouldn't want to, you know, take away the tragedy of that.

00:26:53.900 It's absolutely sad.

00:26:54.920 But that's the manipulation that's used to say, unless you put this child on these experimental drugs, which are going to cause them a whole host of medical problems and health complications, that they're going to wind up dead by suicide.

00:27:07.520 That's just grotesque.

00:27:08.780 Suicide is such a complex phenomenon, many factors influencing it.

00:27:13.820 But people are allegedly led to believe, and parents are often told this, that unless they go through with this, that's going to happen.

00:27:20.080 And so that instills fear in them, and that's why we have these growing numbers of these awful surgeries and these drugs being given to children, because people are manipulated into thinking those kids are going to wind up dead.

00:27:30.900 Nothing could be further from the truth.

00:27:32.500 There's no evidence to suggest that suicide is going to increase. 0.88

00:27:35.580 And the LGBT activists that push that nonsense have these junk studies to say, as a study by Tordoff, I've seen the literature. 0.99

00:27:42.200 It's complete junk. 0.99

00:27:43.120 The sample sizes that they use, I could go on for hours. 0.98

00:27:47.320 In fact, if you look at the studies of those who have gone through with transition, I'm sure those studies also show an equal or greater number of suicide.

00:27:59.480 But, of course, that would be ascribed to people being discriminatory against them.

00:28:03.360 Well, the big study that's often used in that respect is the one that's out of Sweden.

00:28:09.460 And that one didn't – I don't believe that one.

00:28:11.360 That was the Dejny study from, I think, 2007 or 11.

00:28:14.360 I'm not sure of the year, but I've seen that.

00:28:16.520 But they measured all of the – what were once known as transsexual identified persons in the country of Sweden, just about all of them, if not all of them in the country of Sweden.

00:28:24.360 Over 30 years, they examined all of the medical records for these persons who had undergone transition and surgery.

00:28:32.280 And they're postoperative – they measured their psychological – they did the big study.

00:28:37.940 And they had a 19 times higher rate hazardous completed suicide after transition, 19 times higher when matched against population match control groups.

00:28:52.640 So it's all a lie.

00:28:54.480 But that's what transgender is. 1.00

00:28:56.120 It's a big, humongous lie.

00:28:57.380 No one has ever been born in the wrong body, and no one ever will be.

00:29:00.920 You've mentioned a couple times the idea of making money.

00:29:05.020 What is that?

00:29:06.180 What's the business end behind this?

00:29:10.380 Well, if you can create a medical patient for life, which that's what this does, that's an income stream.

00:29:17.820 I mean, I've seen some of the numbers of what blockers cost.

00:29:23.980 If you put – there was an investigative report about the costs of these hysterelin and superelin implants where they put these puberty blocking devices in children's arms, and they cost thousands of dollars.

00:29:36.280 And if you're –

00:29:36.920 And they have to maintain these for life.

00:29:38.960 There's no just use it once then –

00:29:40.900 Right, because you're altering your hormones to keep the illusion that you are the other sex going. 0.97

00:29:48.860 Your maleness or your femaleness, it's stamped in your DNA, so your body is going to always try to correct what you're pumping into it exogenously. 0.95

00:29:58.240 It's because it's not who you are.

00:30:00.220 And so you're overloading your endocrine system with synthetic wrong sex hormones that don't and shouldn't belong there.

00:30:07.060 And so if you're going to keep it going, you're going to keep taking these drugs.

00:30:11.100 And if you keep taking those drugs, that's more money for the medical industry, for the pharmaceutical companies.

00:30:16.060 And then the surgeries, which, like I said earlier, they're not doing anything to repair the body.

00:30:22.240 So if you're actually doing a surgery for a morally illicit reason, it's good because if you're removing a tumor, you're trying to get the body back into the shape and the health – restore it to normal health.

00:30:34.320 This is creating – this is creating complications.

00:30:37.980 This is what they call – this is iatrogenic, especially if you induce these hormonal dysregulation.

00:30:44.580 It's the puberty blockers that cause – an endocrinologist told me this.

00:30:49.340 It's like hypogonadotropic hypogonadism.

00:30:51.940 It's an endocrine disease state, and it's iatrogenic, meaning doctor-induced, doctor-caused disease.

00:30:59.080 John Henry, I'm of the view that doctors should not be causing disease, nor should surgeons be cutting off physically healthy body parts that – I mean, if you cut off your testicles, you're going to disrupt your hormone system because they produce the testosterone, and then you're going to have all these other issues.

00:31:14.340 And so, you know, you have a lifelong medical patient or a life – you know, if you have hormones and surgeries, where they're going to need a lot of follow-up care, and with all of that follow-up care, more money.

00:31:27.900 And insurance is in on this, and, you know, this is just – if you're creating disease and you're creating sickness and you're creating complications, that's an income stream.

00:31:38.680 And it's also – I mean, it's also driven by another form of wickedness because you see this especially in older men who become convinced that they are women and need to trans themselves.

00:31:51.980 They call it onygynophilia.

00:31:53.600 This is like a high-level fetish of sorts, and so there's this perversion that drives it alongside this money-making push.

00:32:03.220 I mean, even – and I'm not making this up.

00:32:07.100 There's actually – Matt Walsh and his crew down at the Daily Wire investigated Vanderbilt – this was maybe a year ago now – where they actually had video footage of a doctor on tape saying this is a great moneymaker for our hospital.

00:32:19.240 She actually said those words.

00:32:20.420 In fact, she said that she personally helped to convince the institution to make the move based in part because she claims it's the right thing to do, but also in large part because gender affirmation surgeries are, quote, big moneymakers.

00:32:35.080 She boasted that a phalloplasty, which is the construction of an artificial penis, which is made using flesh cut from other parts of the body, she said that those can be worth $100,000 when you factor in all of the follow-ups that are necessary.

00:32:48.820 All right. Listen.

00:32:50.540 Starting in January 1st of 2017, according to the Affordable Care Act, insurance carriers are mandated to cover medical expenses for trans folks.

00:33:01.480 Some of our BUMC financial folks in August of – I'm sorry, October of 2016, started a couple years ago, put down some costs of how much money we think each patient would bring in, and this is only including top surgery.

00:33:15.200 This doesn't include any bottom surgery, and it's a lot of money.

00:33:20.260 These surgeries make a lot of money.

00:33:22.520 So female – it's a male – chest reconstruction can bring in $40,000. 0.99

00:33:27.960 A patient just on routine hormone treatment, who I'm only seeing a few times a year, can bring in several thousand dollars because it requires a lot of visits and labs.

00:33:36.120 It actually makes money for the hospital.

00:33:37.900 Now, these I got from the internet, but it's from the Philadelphia Center for Transgender Surgery, which does a lot of surgery for patients.

00:33:48.540 I just wanted to give you an idea of how much these bottom surgeries are making, and this is – I think this has to be an underestimate.

00:33:55.280 This is for a vaginoplasty, they're saying – they're quoting roughly around $20,000 for a vaginoplasty, but that doesn't include your hospital stay, that doesn't include your postdoc visits, that doesn't include your anesthesia, your OR, so I would think that this has to be a gross underestimate.

00:34:13.120 I think that's just, like, the surgeon's piece of it, which anybody who's ever been in the hospital knows that that's, like, 10% of it.

00:34:22.200 And then the female-to-male bottom surgeries, these are huge moneymakers. 0.88

00:34:27.140 Again, I think this has to be an underestimate that they're quoting around $20,000 for a vaginoplasty.

00:34:32.400 There's been different things that I've read that said it could be up to $100,000.

00:34:35.300 Dr. Winokur, who's our surgeon, says that there's entire clinics where the entire clinic is supported just by their phalloplasties, and that is, like, a fraction of the surgeries that they're doing.

00:34:47.520 These surgeries are labor-intensive.

00:34:49.860 They require a lot of follow-ups.

00:34:51.480 They require a lot of OR time.

00:34:53.560 And they make money.

00:34:54.360 They make money for the hospital.

00:34:55.880 And so I'm not making that up.

00:34:58.240 I mean, it's – these surgeries are very complex, and they cost tens of thousands of dollars.

00:35:04.220 So, this whole area is so dark, so incredibly – it's spiritually dark.

00:35:15.880 The one talk that Pope Benedict gave with regard to these things, he talked about how he started with,

00:35:25.380 God created them male and female.

00:35:29.100 Male and female, he created them.

00:35:30.800 An order stamped in mankind by God himself.

00:35:33.520 It's literally written in our DNA.

00:35:37.460 Can you describe for us the spiritual side to this?

00:35:40.920 Well, when I think about what's going on spiritually, not only is this the desecration of the image of God on people as male and female, which it is that.

00:35:51.980 And a very wise Catholic teacher once told me that the enemy of our souls wages war on the human body and on sexuality, on our gender, whatever you want to call it.

00:36:02.300 He wages war on male and female.

00:36:04.560 Because if he can twist and distort that, he can then rob God of his creative generosity as the giver of life.

00:36:11.480 So, this disrupts something so precious about our being and our ability to declare the image of God as male and female and then, of course, reproduce and start families.

00:36:24.400 The other spiritual factor that is just so important to emphasize is that, in addition to desecrating the body, and it's the temple of the Holy Spirit, according to 1 Corinthians, so we're desecrating God's temple when we do this kind of thing.

00:36:40.660 It's that it destroys families.

00:36:44.520 As you know, John Henry, I'm not a Catholic, but I often say to my Catholic friends that if these aren't Fatima days, I'm not sure what, if this isn't that, I'm not sure what is, because this is tearing families apart left and right.

00:36:59.060 This ideology, especially when the medicalization enters the picture, hits children against their parents and parents against their children.

00:37:05.840 Children are convinced that their parents who are trying to look out for them are actually their enemies.

00:37:09.420 They have to sever ties with all of those family bonds.

00:37:13.600 They have to just get rid of them and join an LGBTQ glitter family, as it's called. 1.00

00:37:18.800 And the relational rupture that happens is just off the charts, searing agony.

00:37:25.680 This just fractures relationships left and right.

00:37:30.220 And I've known it to destroy marriages.

00:37:32.760 There's divorces that have happened as a result of this ideology.

00:37:35.740 And, you know, cousins and aunts and uncles no longer speak to.

00:37:40.040 I mean, it's every family bond that you can think of when this comes on the scene just brings ruinous agony and destruction.

00:37:50.260 I was actually in a.

00:37:51.180 So that's a huge deal.

00:37:53.300 That makes me God sets the lonely and families like God.

00:37:56.080 I mean, he we family is just God is a family father, son and Holy Spirit.

00:38:01.060 Like this is who our God is like this is his plan for flourishing in the world.

00:38:06.200 And this just tears it to shreds.

00:38:09.060 I was in a documentary film that showed this dynamic filmmaker is not a religious person, but she profiles three families.

00:38:16.680 It's called dead name.

00:38:18.000 I appear very briefly near the end of that documentary talking about what I've seen, how this is torn apart families.

00:38:24.660 People can still go see this at dead name documentary dot com.

00:38:28.480 Very much urge everyone to see it.

00:38:29.840 You will see how all of the institutions that are now captured by this demonic pathology are now actively working against loving moms and dads.

00:38:40.900 Parents who love their children ferociously and are wanting to protect them from irreversible medical harm.

00:38:46.860 They are now undermined and marginalized and told that they hate their children or that they are bigots if they express caution or are hesitant about allowing their children to go on this regimen of experimental drugs and surgeries.

00:39:01.220 This has shattered their lives. 0.99

00:39:03.420 If you want girl parts and you don't have them, you can do special surgery where they turn your penis inside out and there's a vagina inside. 1.00

00:39:16.860 There's an epidemic of this going on in the United States and we are only now starting to see some mainstream media scrutiny. 0.99

00:39:23.780 I've been on this for seven years, John Henry, and mainstream media have been complicit in this medical scandal.

00:39:31.360 And I think there are going to need to be books written about how this ripped apart so many family relationships in the coming years because they have not been given a voice in the press except for outlets like mine and a few others.

00:39:46.280 We talk to some of those families, including one of the fathers with the father that was profiled in the dead name film in episode three of Generation Indoctrination.

00:39:55.840 But the spiritual carnage of this, it's off the charts.

00:40:00.360 It's the worst diabolical wickedness I think I've ever seen.

00:40:03.260 There's no there's no bottom to its cruelty.

00:40:05.920 The savagery of this cult ideology is horrible beyond words.

00:40:13.060 Tell us about the cooperation of schools, because when the parents are ripped away, the school is usually complicit in first hiding that this thought process is going on at all with the children.

00:40:27.020 And then later, even involved in getting them these so-called treatments, these drugs without the parents' knowledge.

00:40:37.420 It's the abrogation of parental rights and the way in which those freedoms, those rights, parental rights, which are pre-political, they're inalienable, at least in this country.

00:40:53.560 I don't know what your charter freedoms up in Canada delineate, but here in the United States, parental rights are very sacred.

00:41:00.440 And with this ideology in the schools, it's stunning how quickly they have evaporated.

00:41:07.620 But yes, depending on what school district you live in and depending on what state, it's because it's definitely worse in more liberal states and in cities.

00:41:15.360 Parents are kept completely in the dark to the point where I've seen that they have transition closets where the kids come and change clothes at school and to be in more feminine clothes if they're a boy who wants to be a girl or vice versa.

00:41:27.060 And then they change back before they go home. And there are policies in place where a kid will go by a different name and pronouns at school.

00:41:35.180 And I've even heard stories of guidance counselors doing referrals to gender clinics and resources, LGBT activist groups that are going to help these kids transition without their parents because their parents might not be accepting.

00:41:48.880 And that's abuse. And there are even cases where custody has been removed from parents legally being accused of abuse for not going along with the transition, so to speak.

00:41:59.500 My friend Abigail Martinez, that was the case with her daughter, Yaley, who doctors, her custody was removed by the social services agency in Los Angeles.

00:42:12.440 And she was a loving mom and she was ultimately cleared of all charges of abuse.

00:42:18.740 But poor Yaley was then transferred into a group home, an LGBTQ-friendly group home, and her story has been told in a couple of documentaries.

00:42:27.480 But poor Yaley, at age 17, knelt down in front of a train and took her own life after she had been drugged.

00:42:35.520 She was allowed to get those hormones and she was removed from her mother's custody. 1.00

00:42:39.420 The social services agencies told poor Abigail that she was not allowed to talk to her daughter about God and that if she wasn't fully supportive of the transition, that that was abuse.

00:42:50.120 And poor Abigail had to get the phone call. 1.00

00:42:53.020 It's every parent's worst nightmare that her child was dead.

00:42:56.520 And not only dead, but her body was shattered in pieces on the railroad tracks.

00:43:00.640 I mean, this is a death cult, John Henry.

00:43:04.380 And parents have been through thousands of nightmares.

00:43:10.000 I mean, I talk with parents who are dealing with this with their kids.

00:43:13.020 They say they would not wish this suffering on their worst enemy.

00:43:17.080 They wake up every morning and it's as though a ton of bricks collapses on their chest.

00:43:21.660 And it's this constant grinding agony that is just from the depths of hell.

00:43:28.660 It's just so terrible.

00:43:31.920 And so few people understand it or are willing to suffer with them enough to acknowledge that this is as horrible as they're saying.

00:43:40.440 But I know I and the Christian Post won't be silent about it.

00:43:43.500 This is the worst threat to parental rights I think the world's ever seen.

00:43:48.140 So what is to be done?

00:43:51.380 How can this be defeated?

00:43:53.580 How can this horror be stopped?

00:43:55.020 I think the only thing that I can say with 1000% certainty is that for everyone who is watching this broadcast, please make this a part of your daily prayers.

00:44:10.420 I believe that this wickedness is so intense and diabolical that the only way that it will ever be defeated is through the prayers of God's people.

00:44:20.660 There are legislators and attorneys general and governors that are taking action up in Canada and Alberta.

00:44:27.020 We saw your premier just try to take some action against the medical aspect of this for young people.

00:44:31.800 But this is so deeply entrenched that I'm convinced that the only real solution will be divine in origin.

00:44:40.400 Like we need to beseech the Lord Most High for deliverance because that's what it's going to take.

00:44:47.380 I mean, I say with the Father who I converse with every so often, but God.

00:44:52.580 You know, there are stories in scripture where all hope seems lost and that we're up against seemingly insurmountable odds.

00:44:58.920 But God then shows up and he uses a remnant of people.

00:45:03.020 There are many times in history where it looked as though history was going to go one way and then it pivoted because God intervened.

00:45:09.640 I'm believing that God is going to have to intervene.

00:45:11.900 But if we pray and we set our faces like flint and we believe that God is for us and not against us and that no weapon formed against us shall prosper, but that he's God and that he loves the little children and Jesus does love the little children.

00:45:24.780 He has very harsh words for those who harm them.

00:45:27.300 Better would be a millstone than to harm one of these little children, he says.

00:45:30.840 If we pray, I believe we will see this wickedness dismantled in the realm of the spirit.

00:45:36.640 I've said this in many interviews and I'll say it here.

00:45:38.880 Or the verse that I've just, it's just ringing in my spirit when I think about what we're, what this moment in time and what we're doing is 2 Corinthians 10 verse 4.

00:45:48.000 And it's the apostle Paul saying that the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God for the tearing down and destruction of strongholds.

00:45:53.860 I believe this is a pernicious, ruthless, vicious stronghold.

00:45:58.260 But if God's people pray, it will be torn down in the realm of the spirit and then we will see the victory.

00:46:03.500 So set your face like flint and pray.

00:46:08.140 And watch God do what only he can do.

00:46:11.460 And if you're led to other kinds of action, then that's just between you and the Lord.

00:46:16.020 Whatever he tells you to do, do it.

00:46:17.880 And I can't give any better advice than that.

00:46:20.620 Amen to that.

00:46:22.320 Brandon Showalter, thank you so much for what you're doing.

00:46:24.760 You're doing a much needed work, a very courageous work.

00:46:28.420 And I love that you have a passion for it because you're so impassioned about our Lord.

00:46:35.940 It is the, not only the key to success, it's the key to all joy and healing from this horror.

00:46:42.400 And we'll get there with the Lord.

00:46:45.300 God bless you.

00:46:46.480 Thank you.

00:46:47.060 Please go see, please check out our podcast, generationindoctrination.com.

00:46:50.540 We'll tell the whole story in its full depth.

00:46:52.080 Absolutely beautiful.

00:46:55.160 And God bless all of you.

00:46:57.460 And we'll see you next time.

The John-Henry Westen Show - April 04, 2024

In-Depth Analysis of The ‘De-Transition’ Movement

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