INSPIRED: Deacon Keith Fournier Moves To Texas For Bishop Strickland
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Summary
In this episode, Bishop Joseph Strickland and his successor, Deacon Keith Fournier, discuss the importance of the pro-life movement and its impact on the church. Bishop Stricklands shares his own personal story of how he became a Catholic and how he was called to serve the Lord in the early 20th century.
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And I knew it when I was prostrate on the floor, when the bishop placed in my hands the book of the Gospels.
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And so it's really characterized the foundation of my own calling in ministry now for 27 years.
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Thank you. First of all, please forgive me for my voice.
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I did have a heart procedure, and three weeks later, the voice is still not back.
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But John Henry, I didn't want to miss the opportunity to meet you for the first time again 20 years later.
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We go back two decades, but also to honor this wonderful successor, the Apostles,
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who I have the privilege of assisting as a deacon, Bishop Joseph Strickland.
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Beautiful. Well, let's begin, as we always do, with the sign of the cross.
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In the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
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Father, we pray for the presence of your Holy Spirit during this entire time that we have together.
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We thank you for the great gift of your Son, Jesus, our Savior,
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and in a special way for the great gift of his mother and our mother, the mother of the Church.
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In the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Amen.
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So, it's very interesting to find you here in Tyler, Texas,
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because you were for many, many, many years in Virginia, and doing just great there.
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And you had a career as a deacon in the pro-life movement.
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And what brings you to Tyler, and why at this time in your life?
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Most of your family, I think, is back in Virginia.
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But, John Henry, I've been serving the Lord for almost 50 years now.
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And I've spent my life wanting to tell people about the beauty of being a Catholic
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and the depth of being a Catholic in preparation for ordination and then after ordination.
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As you know, I did pro-life work, but also a theologian.
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And I've been trying to just serve the Lord as a son of the Church.
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But as you get older, and I am 68, you begin to look back and say,
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I was an early responder to Father Mike Scanlon's call to the College of Steubenville, transferred
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there as a student, graduated, helped him, went on to law school because of my passionate
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I came back, became a dean, dean of students, dean of evangelization, conferences, all that.
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My law degree, and I went to law school because I wanted to represent all unborn children whose
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lives were taken through the intrinsic evil of abortion.
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Maureen, our young children, packed up and moved to Virginia.
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And I was the first executive director of the American Center for Law and Justice.
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But still, serving the Lord as a Catholic, you know, you know that we, in the trenches
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back then, met many other Christians, and we came together because we heard the cry of
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But during that time also, my love for the church led to a door being opened, and I was
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I will never forget lying prostrate on the ground on a cold floor at St. Matthew's, and
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But the one that doesn't turned out to be prophetic.
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The first was fiat, the Mary in surrender.
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And her yes is really the prototype for all of us.
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But the second one, and it almost happened seconds after, was, uh-oh.
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And it proved to be the case because within six months, I was up in Northern Virginia.
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I ended up studying at the John Paul II Institute, while it was still strong, and I'll leave it there, under some wonderful people.
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I also ended up studying with the Melkites and serving, as I told you, at the Divine Liturgy.
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Continued work, Catholic online, Catholic online school, ministry in a parish, ministry nationally.
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But all of it was geared toward loving the Catholic Church and believing that the fullness of truth does indeed subsist within the Catholic Church.
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And I knew that she needed strong, holy, laymen and women, bishops, priests, deacons, religious.
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I was going on 64, working out of my home and doing the ministry, doing a little bit of law.
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Well, somebody sent me something called an apostolic constitution on teaching by Bishop Joseph Strickland of Tyler, Texas.
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I read it as a theologian, as somebody concerned about the Church.
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So, if this were implemented throughout the country, maybe even beyond, we'd begin to see the desperately needed restoration of the Church.
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So, to make a long story short, Bishop and I started writing one another.
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And we became what, before the internet, you would have called pen pals.
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I'd send him an article, he'd send me an article, and it just began to grow.
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He was right there after we prayed with that evangelical joy that is his, pointing at Jesus.
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Another time, I came out for a week, and I was sort of incognito because I am known publicly.
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But I traveled with him and watched him minister all over this diocese, confirmations, wonderful, wonderful Holy Masses.
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And I saw the real deal, a successor of the apostles, a genuine bishop who knew how to bishop and how to pray.
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And I began to see that in a special way, the two pillars in his life.
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It's really out of the vision of Don Bosco, his consecration to Our Lady, and his love for the Holy Eucharist.
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He spends, I don't want to embarrass him, but he spends a long time before the Blessed Sacrament every day.
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So after a third visit, we talked about the possibility of coming, assisting him.
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Now, as a deacon, 27 years, and having done a lot of study, I knew deacons are not once again in the church,
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at least in the Roman Catholic Church, because of a shortage of priests.
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We're not called because of a shortage of priests.
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First, we are ordained not to the priesthood, but under the ministry.
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Well, when you go back to what's often called the golden years, the first 400 years,
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and you see the Stevens, the Phillips, the Lawrences, the Ephraims, that was the deacon.
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And mostly what the deacon did was assist the bishop.
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So I saw it when he invited me to come, an invitation to live this calling.
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And Lorene, God bless her, my wonderful wife, she's realized that she's married to a missionary.
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I came here as, really, to assist the bishop as deacon.
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I advise theologically, you know, legal issues, pro-life issues.
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And then he asked me to take a position at the school here, the Bishop Thomas K. Gorman Catholic School,
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because he wanted it to become, it's a good school, but he wanted it to become profoundly Catholic.
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Well, hearkening back to when I was a young man at Steubenville, I said, well, wait, I had the privilege of working alongside of a young priest named Father Mike Scanlon,
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who did that at a college that was spiritually bankrupt and nearly financially bankrupt.
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So I became dean of Catholic identity at the school, which is where I office now.
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In fact, and you know this, even though we raised our kids in Virginia, I grew up in Massachusetts.
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And to me, anything south of Connecticut was the south.
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I was going to see tumbleweeds and cactuses and, you know.
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Well, what I found in East Texas is a beautiful place, green rolling hills.
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But what I found in this diocese, because it's led by a bishop who guards the deposit of faith without compromise,
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I see a witness of a profoundly Catholic diocese, where there is legitimate diversity,
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and I'm going to sound theological here, within orthodoxy, right doctrine, and orthopraxy.
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So we have the full expression of the beautiful richness of the Catholic Church.
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And we're living in a very difficult time in the church.
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And I thank God for the privilege I have of assisting this man.
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But I'm honored to pull them out, to hold his arms up, to stand with him as his deacon,
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as his brother, as his friend, and as his servant in the Lord.
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You've got grown children and grandchildren over there.
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How many wives are going to say yes to we're going to uproot and do this incredible thing?
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What was, how did that even, how does that even work?
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Hey, my friends, now is the time to stand up and fight.
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We are just about to have the Synod on Synodality.
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And everything that you've seen indicates that it's going to be an absolute disaster.
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We have Father James Martin as a personal appointee of the Pope speaking at it.
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These picks of the Pope to engage in this synod are indicative of where we're going.
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And at these times of great crisis, the church, especially those called in the laity to work
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for the glory of Christ and his church, are called to gather and strategize.
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Back in 2014, LifeSite launched something called Rome Life Forum.
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It was a gathering at that point of some 75 life and family leaders from all around the
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And when we gathered, the majority of people were most concerned about what?
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About Pope Francis, about what was going on in Rome.
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Now, a decade on, we are confronted with some of the most severe challenges the church has
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And so, our tradition at LifeSite is to continue with Rome Life Forum, which has continued every
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year until we had to take a break over COVID because we weren't permitted.
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Please come, if you feel so called, to Rome, October 31st and November 1st, the very end
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And we'll be there to strategize with his eminence, with his excellency, and with many life and
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Well, Lorene came with me on my second visit and had the same experience with this wonderful
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Before she met me, she's a woman of deep faith, deeply Marian, deeply Eucharistic, and a woman
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of prayer, very down to earth, very fun, very joyful.
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I tend to be, and you know this, very intense and driven.
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On the Feast of St. Lawrence, just last week, the bishop gathers all of his deacons and offers
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And then he has the deacons renew their promises.
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But then, if they're married, he has them renew their marriage vows.
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I've seen the other, of course, the annual renewal of promises.
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And I must admit, as I looked in the eyes of my beloved wife, I started weeping.
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You know, I do cry very easily, but it was because of the realization of how blessed I
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am to have a partner in marriage who has not only just put up with this call, but knew
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You know, she knew that we were called to move here.
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And that's been the case at every missionary call, whether it was Steubenville, where we
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married, frankly, but then going to the ACLJ, and then my leaving after ordination to do
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We sold our last home so that I could study more of John Paul.
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Our other kids all live, one lives out in Seattle.
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I just recently went through some health issues for the first time in my life.
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So they're concerned about me, dad, the grandchildren call me poppy, but they know that I need to
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They've grown up in, I guess, the Catholic equivalent of what they used to call in Protestant homes
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You know, whether I was a layman doing Catholic work or a deacon doing Catholic work, they
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always knew the Lord and the church was why I was here, and they haven't understood it.
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Well, I won't say which one in particular had a hard time with it, but we pray for our
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kids every day, and now particularly with FaceTime and the like, we just saw them, and they just
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came out here, my daughter, my second oldest, when I had been hospitalized.
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If you go into our home, the home that the Lord provided for us here at John Henry, when
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we found it and we lease, we don't own any homes.
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We did that for years, raised all those kids, you know, all of that.
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But when we went into the house, we named it Beth Shalom, House of Peace.
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But when you walk in, there's icons everywhere, lot of candles, you know, and people look at
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It's a Catholic home, and it's a wonderful place.
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So one of the things about the deaconate, and actually my dad was a deacon as well in the
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But a lot of people don't know what a deacon really is because they, you know, if they're
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older, they think, well, it didn't exist until John Paul II or something like that, or maybe
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We heard about it in the Bible, then it didn't exist.
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And what is the deaconate in terms of, I've always understood it as Christ's tripartite,
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three-part ministry, prophet, priest, and king.
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The priest is there for the sacraments, the priest who offers the sacrifice of the mass
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What is the role of the deacon in terms of being a prophetic role?
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First of all, you mentioned that you see it in the Bible.
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Well, that's what we need to go back to, to really understand why deacons were chosen
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So if you read the sixth chapter of the Acts of the Apostles, you see that as the apostles
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grew busier and busier in the ministry of teaching and preaching, they needed help.
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So the deacons cared for the widows, took care of the needs of the community, which they
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Because when you go to the next chapter, what do we see?
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Stephen preaching and teaching the first martyr, a deacon.
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That's why Bishop Strickland is named the Institute, the St. Philip Institute.
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And he explains to the Ethiopian eunuch what the scroll of Isaiah was saying and the messianic
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And when you study the first four chapters of the early church, you see a flourishing
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Whether you look at Lawrence or Ephraim, so many, which has commemorated the anniversary
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The Roman Catholic Church in particular, in reinstituting it as a permanent rank of orders
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at the last council, Roman Catholics tend to think, well, it's just come back again.
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They're not here because there's a shortage of priests.
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They are a ministry inspired by the Holy Spirit as a part of Jesus' continuing presence.
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We reflect Jesus, the servant, and yes, in a prophetic role.
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And another way of understanding this is the theology of orders itself.
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You know, it used to be that the only other person who could wear a dalmatic,
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which is the outer vestment of a deacon, was the bishop.
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And he would wear it under his bishop's chasuble as a sign and a symbol
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that the deacon has a special role assisting the bishop.
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So, yes, deacons teach and preach, but they ought to have a ministry
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that's rooted in a properly understood notion of charity,
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a properly understood notion of going into the world
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So, one of the things, for example, here we look for, bishop looks for,
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because he's the one who should be choosing potential aspirants for the deaconate,
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That doesn't necessarily mean he should be ordained.
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We need lay ministers on fire for the Lord, fully formed, fully Catholic.
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But, we don't want to approach the deaconate as though it's a weekend warrior,
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and they're supposed to be a part of what is properly understood
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They should be feeding the poor and the hungry.
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Now, the deacon also, in the Roman Catholic Church in particular,
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By the way, they don't do that in the Eastern Church.
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But anyway, but primarily a deacon is ordained,
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find it to be a challenging, sacrificial calling.
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I was in a diocese that didn't have a deaconate.
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A bishop who wondered whether he'd ever have deacons.
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Is the Lord perhaps calling you to ordain ministry?
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rather than recovering the early church's approach.
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You're in the pro-life movement forever and ever.
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Well, you had what all of us had back in the day.
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because Ratzinger would write all the documents