The John-Henry Westen Show - 'Ireland is no longer Catholic'： Priest says modernity destroyed the land of St. Patrick

00:00:00.360 Ireland is the homeland of so many of the Catholics in the United States.

00:00:05.040 It's a land where St. Patrick prayed that the faith would always be retained,

00:00:09.220 got that promise from God, and yet it was so disturbing to see Ireland vote for same-sex marriage

00:00:14.080 and then vote for abortion. 1.00

00:00:17.020 What has gone on with the faith in Ireland?

00:00:18.680 We know that they were rocked by sexual abuse scandals.

00:00:22.000 Can the faith survive?

00:00:23.300 It survived some of the most unbelievable persecutions over the years.

00:00:26.940 We're going to be speaking today with Fr. Brendan Kilcoyne,

00:00:30.840 who is quite the lively priest there,

00:00:33.060 tells us that the faith is still alive but needs our prayers in this land

00:00:38.260 where we received so much from Ireland.

00:00:40.560 Stay tuned.

00:00:56.940 Fr. Brendan Kilcoyne, thank you for joining us on this episode of the John Henry Weston Show.

00:01:04.780 Not at all, John Henry. Thank you very much for having me.

00:01:07.640 Great. Let's begin, as we always do, at the sign of the cross, if you wouldn't mind leading us.

00:01:10.880 In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.

00:01:15.820 Amen.

00:01:16.340 Well, Fr. Brendan, it is a pleasure to talk to you from the land of Ireland,

00:01:22.900 where historically known for such brave and fighting Catholicism,

00:01:29.120 you know, under massive repression often,

00:01:32.140 and yet coming out with a stronger and stronger faith every time.

00:01:37.020 Let's start from what's going on right now,

00:01:40.100 and then get more into that history, which I know you know very well.

00:01:43.680 I think for a lot of people right now,

00:01:47.960 to find out what's happening in Ireland is very important,

00:01:51.940 because we've had real, it's like an earthquake in the church all over the world.

00:01:58.060 But one of the questions is, what's happening in Ireland right now?

00:02:01.360 Is the same earthquake happening?

00:02:03.500 And how are the people faring there?

00:02:05.280 It's not a great situation, John Henry.

00:02:07.540 I suppose really, you're talking about modernity.

00:02:11.240 It was inevitable.

00:02:12.140 It was always going to happen.

00:02:14.420 It just happened for a number of reasons, historical, sociological.

00:02:19.740 It happened much later in Ireland.

00:02:24.160 And it's been greatly accelerated by unfolding scandals internal to the church,

00:02:31.740 emerging over about a 25-year period.

00:02:34.400 So what you're looking at really is, it's really without precedent in our history.

00:02:45.180 It's a situation in which the church is almost certainly,

00:02:49.220 whatever the official census may say, the church is a minority,

00:02:55.340 and perhaps not even a very substantial one.

00:02:58.260 The most recent census showed that still a very high number of people actually self-described as Catholics.

00:03:08.240 I think something in the region of about 70%.

00:03:11.500 But that's a very, very marked decline on previous decades.

00:03:20.940 Back in the 60s, it was as high as 95%.

00:03:23.980 Wow.

00:03:24.200 And practice is much lower than that, again.

00:03:29.220 Let's say, talking about the pre-COVID situation,

00:03:33.200 practice, I would say, was probably somewhere in the 30s.

00:03:39.760 In some of the cities, as low as 2%.

00:03:42.840 Obviously higher.

00:03:44.200 Actually, in most of the cities, it's very low, with the exception of one or two,

00:03:48.640 like Limerick in the West.

00:03:50.980 Wow.

00:03:51.740 So you can see that it's, the tsunami of modernity has hit us.

00:03:59.560 And, of course, what it hit really was an institution that was,

00:04:04.480 it seemed at a man time.

00:04:06.680 It seemed so powerful, so fortress-like.

00:04:09.160 But, in fact, it was terrifyingly vulnerable, looking at it in retrospect.

00:04:17.480 I think Frank Duff, the founder of the Legion of Mary,

00:04:20.480 had commented way back, perhaps back in the 50s,

00:04:26.000 that he had become worried that Irish Catholicism, even then,

00:04:31.560 had started to become quite superficial.

00:04:34.360 And we also know, for instance, that in the clergy,

00:04:41.340 there seems to have been a major failure of spirituality and morals,

00:04:48.200 which really only started to come to light in the 90s.

00:04:51.580 Right.

00:04:51.840 I doubt if I'm surprising any Americans who have relatives or friends here,

00:04:57.540 and who are in tune with what's happening.

00:04:59.680 And I'm probably not surprising you.

00:05:01.600 But for some people in the States, it still comes as a surprise

00:05:05.860 to realise that Ireland is really no longer a Catholic country.

00:05:10.900 Not in any meaningful sense, John Henry.

00:05:14.320 Because, I mean, you can't just take in the number of people

00:05:17.500 who are being baptised.

00:05:18.920 We're still run off our feet doing baptisms.

00:05:21.760 But I can assure you we're not run off our feet

00:05:23.900 looking after parishioners at weekly masses and so on.

00:05:29.220 You know, so the whole thing really is very superficial.

00:05:35.480 Around the world, we had a phenomenon going on

00:05:39.180 about the traditional Latin Mass.

00:05:42.240 They had a real show of, I don't know, support from young people.

00:05:48.740 All of a sudden, rather than walking into church,

00:05:51.400 and I don't know if it's the same in Ireland,

00:05:52.600 but often I've seen here in America, parts of Europe,

00:05:56.820 you walk into a church, and if you're at a daily Mass, like I am,

00:06:00.620 you go and you see there's usually a handful of old ladies. 1.00

00:06:03.560 It's always old ladies. 1.00

00:06:04.760 In Croatia, it was somewhat different.

00:06:06.580 There was some men in there as well, which was really surprising.

00:06:09.900 But that's really it on a daily Mass.

00:06:13.480 On a Sunday Mass, there's more.

00:06:14.620 But the traditional Latin Masses, what I've noticed is that,

00:06:19.540 by the way, I don't have access to one where I am as well,

00:06:22.160 but nonetheless, when I'm traveling,

00:06:23.780 I've seen daily Masses and Sunday Masses.

00:06:27.080 They're full of those, what you might call old-fashioned,

00:06:30.840 old families with, like my family has,

00:06:34.320 you know, a whole bevy of children in the row.

00:06:36.500 They take up most of the row themselves, if not the whole row.

00:06:38.620 And sometimes if there are huge families, the row behind them.

00:06:41.160 But is that the same in Ireland?

00:06:44.560 Does that go on as well there?

00:06:46.120 My information is that the demographic at the Latin Masses is very healthy.

00:06:52.700 It's a fantastic, as you said, the fantastic old-fashioned mix

00:06:57.220 with all the generations represented.

00:07:01.180 I'm sorry to say that's not the case in my church,

00:07:05.420 or in most churches, as far as I know.

00:07:08.820 So you have some young people, but very few.

00:07:13.860 In my parish, we've put a great deal of investment into youth ministry,

00:07:18.520 and that has produced some results, but the going is hard and it's slow.

00:07:23.720 This culture has taken root in the space of a few decades,

00:07:28.900 and it is monstrously strong and powerful.

00:07:33.800 When you come to grips with it,

00:07:35.080 you know you're dealing with something really powerful.

00:07:38.600 A whole set of assumptions have taken over people's minds

00:07:42.380 and have become part of their worldview and the way they view things.

00:07:47.580 So it really came as a shock to many of us

00:07:52.220 to hear that the Latin Masses were able to count on considerable numbers of young people.

00:07:58.220 And indeed, to hear, as I did recently, from priests in France,

00:08:04.140 that the same was very markedly a part of the French scene.

00:08:07.600 It does tend to be that way, and that's why there's such consternation now

00:08:11.540 over this latest document from Rome,

00:08:14.000 Traditiones Costeres, basically hampering,

00:08:18.660 if not killing off, the traditional Latin Mass.

00:08:21.940 And it really puts it at the bishop's whim,

00:08:24.440 which is quite dangerous for the most part.

00:08:28.040 And knowing your Irish scene of at least your bishops,

00:08:31.100 it's really dangerous there.

00:08:33.240 The solution to bringing young people back to the Church around the world 1.00

00:08:39.020 has been very strange.

00:08:41.180 You do have tradition-minded bishops opening Latin Masses,

00:08:45.080 and that seems to be working very well.

00:08:47.220 Yet the method that has been encouraged,

00:08:53.120 and I know also by your Irish bishops,

00:08:56.020 which seems to me the very same thing

00:08:57.640 that caused most people to exit the Church in the first place

00:09:00.500 during the 60s and 70s.

00:09:01.700 It's just like, let's get with the times,

00:09:04.900 especially on the LGBT issue. 0.90

00:09:07.360 It's been ridiculous to go forward in this direction. 0.61

00:09:11.660 You know, a lot of the bishops in the United States, 0.52

00:09:13.740 and unfortunately including Pope Francis,

00:09:15.180 are pushing the Father James Martin approach.

00:09:17.640 The, you know, the pushing of LGBT identity, 1.00

00:09:21.820 and in Father James Martin, who, you know, everybody knows well,

00:09:25.280 is promoting, oh, it's too bad that we can't have

00:09:27.960 same-sex marriages in Church.

00:09:29.420 But, blessings, civil unions, the Pope has said so,

00:09:32.720 so we should go for that.

00:09:34.400 This is very scary.

00:09:35.440 What's your take on that vis-a-vis Ireland?

00:09:37.680 Have you seen that push in Ireland much?

00:09:39.900 And what do you think that's going to do for the Church?

00:09:42.540 I think our biggest problem here isn't a lack of goodwill.

00:09:46.980 Like, we have a very solid crowd of men in our bishops here.

00:09:52.560 I don't think it's a lack of goodwill.

00:09:54.880 I think that the particular tightrope that has to be walked,

00:09:59.940 and it is a tightrope,

00:10:01.680 requires skills that most of us don't have yet.

00:10:06.720 But it's the skill, it's probably always been difficult,

00:10:13.580 it's the skill of separating the sinner from the sin.

00:10:17.620 And I think where we've ended up in trouble is that,

00:10:22.460 I don't mean to criticize the Holy Father,

00:10:25.940 but I can see, I know this sounds passionizing,

00:10:30.240 but I believe I can see what he's trying to do.

00:10:32.460 I was taught by the Jesuits in the Gregorian room 30 years ago.

00:10:37.060 There was a heavily Spanish presence there.

00:10:39.160 He's very legible if you were there then at that time.

00:10:42.020 He desperately does not want people to be left out.

00:10:46.500 He doesn't want the Redeemer to judge us

00:10:49.160 for not going after the lost sheep.

00:10:51.820 And absolutely, we have to do that.

00:10:55.340 But it's so tricky in this world of instant communications

00:10:59.480 to go after the lost sheep

00:11:03.080 without giving the impression that the lost sheep

00:11:06.060 was quite right to take off in the first place,

00:11:09.920 without seeming to justify the peregrinations of the lost sheep

00:11:14.540 over hill and dale, so to speak.

00:11:19.700 This is, in terms, the pastoral challenge here is absolutely huge.

00:11:24.840 The subtlety, the nuance, the almost, I don't know,

00:11:30.380 you need the sure-footedness of a mountain goat

00:11:32.880 for this kind of thing.

00:11:34.500 And I think my generation and the older generation,

00:11:38.620 I don't think we have simply that sense

00:11:42.660 of the immediacy of communication in the modern world.

00:11:47.260 I think it's absolutely clear that we get across

00:11:50.420 is that LGBTQ or whatever it is,

00:11:54.060 that these people are so totally welcome in the church

00:11:57.680 that we love them,

00:11:59.100 that we are desperate for them to stay with us.

00:12:01.700 We want to get to heaven.

00:12:03.940 We want everyone to get to heaven.

00:12:06.680 We don't just want a few to get to heaven,

00:12:09.000 but that you won't get to heaven that way.

00:12:12.060 Now, how do you say that 0.99

00:12:13.380 without sounding like some sort of homophobic maniac 1.00

00:12:21.400 who just wants to go out and kill gay people or whatever? 0.99

00:12:26.360 I mean, that's difficult in this modern world, 0.99

00:12:29.640 particularly where so many of the media

00:12:31.380 seem to be working against us

00:12:33.120 and are all too willing to pounce on the slightest nuance,

00:12:37.960 the slightest inflection.

00:12:39.280 But I do know from the few bishops I know here

00:12:43.400 and from my own heart,

00:12:45.000 I know we so desperately want these people to stay with us

00:12:50.500 for a whole range of reasons.

00:12:52.200 Firstly, for their immortal souls.

00:12:54.120 Another reason as well, which is interesting,

00:12:56.720 is that I think people who are most open to,

00:13:01.600 let's say, artistic impulse,

00:13:03.060 artistic creativity and inspiration

00:13:06.060 are often on the edge of experience.

00:13:09.700 They're in that liminal place

00:13:11.740 in which also often people who are struggling

00:13:15.920 with, let's say, same-sex attraction or whatever

00:13:19.160 find themselves as well.

00:13:21.220 They have a tremendous amount to offer to the church.

00:13:24.520 They have a tremendous amount to offer

00:13:26.460 to the development of Catholic spirituality in a new age.

00:13:30.380 Because if you don't suffer,

00:13:33.040 how do you identify with the man of sorrows?

00:13:36.260 How do you identify with the passion of our Lord Jesus Christ

00:13:40.320 and let it into your heart

00:13:41.780 and let Christ into your heart?

00:13:43.160 We are trying to bring a message.

00:13:45.140 We are trying to bring our brothers and sisters

00:13:47.280 the food of heaven 0.99

00:13:48.820 without spilling the damn thing on the way 0.98

00:13:51.240 and ending up breathless, okay? 0.99

00:13:54.840 Breathless at the other end of the bog

00:13:56.680 with nothing to give them.

00:13:58.120 So we can't just lose our integrity

00:14:02.300 as we preach the message.

00:14:04.800 We must give them the living water. 0.66

00:14:08.540 It's a difficult challenge.

00:14:10.920 There's no doubt about it.

00:14:12.460 But it's doable.

00:14:14.120 It can be done.

00:14:15.140 I think more than ever

00:14:17.480 we have to get behind the Holy Father now.

00:14:19.720 We have to pray, pray, pray for the Holy Father.

00:14:22.860 We have to love him more than ever.

00:14:25.500 In this recent thing,

00:14:26.860 all right,

00:14:28.280 again,

00:14:29.900 I had the feel reading

00:14:32.520 the motu proprio

00:14:34.080 that I was listening to my father

00:14:37.180 when I was a small kid.

00:14:38.560 He's very much like an Irish father

00:14:40.200 of a particular generation.

00:14:42.600 You know,

00:14:42.800 this is the way it's going to be

00:14:44.660 and this is what you're going to do.

00:14:47.220 And fine,

00:14:48.080 sometimes we need that.

00:14:49.240 This is tough for people.

00:14:50.880 It's tough because we saw

00:14:52.380 the fruits that were coming

00:14:54.220 from the Latin Mass.

00:14:56.300 We see the possibilities.

00:14:58.520 It's very easy now

00:14:59.680 to write off,

00:15:01.180 for some people to write off

00:15:02.620 the Holy Father

00:15:03.420 to say,

00:15:03.880 well, that's it.

00:15:04.860 I tried Catholicism again.

00:15:06.560 I came back to it

00:15:07.540 through the Latin Mass.

00:15:08.820 I tried it

00:15:09.440 and now I get,

00:15:11.180 you know, 0.95

00:15:11.400 kicking the backside 0.98

00:15:12.260 so I'm gone. 0.98

00:15:13.300 I'm out.

00:15:14.180 I beg them not to.

00:15:16.140 This is part of Catholicism.

00:15:18.440 He's a tough leader.

00:15:19.600 He's being tough on us.

00:15:21.500 But we're the old guard,

00:15:22.680 John Henry.

00:15:24.060 You know,

00:15:24.860 the Latin Mass gang,

00:15:27.440 if you like,

00:15:28.500 they're,

00:15:28.940 the whole,

00:15:30.400 let's say,

00:15:30.940 conservative element

00:15:32.120 in the church.

00:15:32.920 We're the old guard.

00:15:34.300 You know what they used to say

00:15:35.260 about Napoleon's old guard?

00:15:37.100 The troops who had served

00:15:38.220 with him through thick and thin?

00:15:40.160 The guard dies.

00:15:41.860 It does not surrender.

00:15:43.380 We stick by the Pope.

00:15:44.900 We stick by the Lord.

00:15:46.200 We stick by Our Lady.

00:15:47.420 We stick by the Vicar of Christ.

00:15:50.620 If he,

00:15:51.420 maybe some,

00:15:52.540 some of us feel

00:15:53.760 just at the moment,

00:15:55.120 understandably,

00:15:56.140 perhaps,

00:15:57.560 that he doesn't feel

00:15:58.900 he needs us

00:15:59.680 at all.

00:16:01.040 But he'll need us again

00:16:02.680 and we'll be there for him.

00:16:05.180 Yeah.

00:16:05.300 I think that's,

00:16:06.100 it's just crucial

00:16:06.860 that we get that,

00:16:07.700 get that out.

00:16:09.120 In Ireland,

00:16:09.780 we've always loved the Pope.

00:16:11.380 We've always loved Our Lady.

00:16:13.700 We loved Our Lady

00:16:14.900 sometimes more

00:16:15.600 than we love God,

00:16:16.580 some people used to say.

00:16:18.660 And it's true 0.94

00:16:19.580 that often the Irish

00:16:20.960 found it easier

00:16:21.800 to pray to Our Lady

00:16:22.920 than to pray to God.

00:16:24.200 They were afraid of God

00:16:25.200 because God was like

00:16:26.160 an Irish father.

00:16:27.600 He was very strict.

00:16:29.740 So you,

00:16:30.140 you went to Our Lady

00:16:31.520 to get past him.

00:16:32.480 I think we need to use

00:16:35.140 our native genius again

00:16:36.680 for the faith.

00:16:37.680 You know,

00:16:37.940 Our Lady,

00:16:38.800 the saints,

00:16:40.200 our sense that,

00:16:41.340 you know,

00:16:41.620 there were a whole load

00:16:42.560 of ways of,

00:16:44.160 how would you put it,

00:16:45.400 of making it easier

00:16:48.660 to get access to God.

00:16:50.420 It's not that God

00:16:51.360 does that to us,

00:16:52.260 it's that we find it

00:16:53.620 so hard to go to him.

00:16:55.920 And this is what

00:16:56.660 makes it easier.

00:16:57.400 The Pope is just crucial

00:16:59.200 in all of this.

00:17:01.260 He's,

00:17:01.720 I'll say,

00:17:02.080 it wasn't a Catherine

00:17:02.840 of Siena called

00:17:03.680 Him our sweet Christ

00:17:04.760 on earth.

00:17:05.460 You were talking about

00:17:06.300 the love that we

00:17:07.420 as Catholics must have 1.00

00:17:08.480 for the LGBT people

00:17:10.400 who feel inclined

00:17:11.400 to LGBT,

00:17:13.520 same-sex attracted Catholics.

00:17:15.320 And then,

00:17:16.340 the love we need to have

00:17:17.540 for the Holy Father.

00:17:18.720 And I think there's a very,

00:17:20.140 there's a distinct similarity there

00:17:22.500 in that,

00:17:23.700 that love always has to be

00:17:25.300 delivered in truth.

00:17:26.160 Because as you said,

00:17:27.320 we can't get there

00:17:28.800 if,

00:17:29.380 across the bog,

00:17:30.180 if you will,

00:17:30.580 if we spill the tea,

00:17:32.020 if we fail to bring the truth.

00:17:34.400 And it's funny,

00:17:35.320 because with our brothers

00:17:37.280 and sisters

00:17:37.780 who are

00:17:38.800 same-sex attracted,

00:17:40.640 let's say,

00:17:41.580 we bring them the truth

00:17:42.840 in love

00:17:43.460 and with love,

00:17:44.720 oftentimes from a lot of people

00:17:46.740 who've been there,

00:17:47.280 done that.

00:17:47.840 I think a lot of people

00:17:48.980 who fell off the

00:17:50.260 bandwagon of purity

00:17:51.940 in their lives before

00:17:52.940 and were able to come back

00:17:54.120 have a capacity

00:17:56.020 to deal with those issues

00:17:57.540 perhaps better than

00:17:58.680 many who haven't

00:17:59.780 been there,

00:18:00.300 done that.

00:18:01.560 And I think there's

00:18:02.680 a method there

00:18:03.420 to bring the truth

00:18:04.360 in love,

00:18:05.040 but to bring the truth

00:18:05.880 nevertheless,

00:18:07.200 sometimes in a way

00:18:08.740 that has to be very up front.

00:18:10.100 You know,

00:18:10.640 this behavior leads to hell.

00:18:12.420 This behavior also leads

00:18:13.500 to all sorts of disease.

00:18:16.500 And normal human sexuality

00:18:18.460 between a husband and wife 0.68

00:18:19.520 is non-disease carrying,

00:18:22.580 especially if it's done

00:18:23.680 the way it's supposed

00:18:24.280 to be done

00:18:24.680 with one man,

00:18:26.240 one woman for life,

00:18:27.700 never having gone outside that,

00:18:29.700 then it's actually

00:18:30.300 a healthy thing.

00:18:32.160 And so similarly

00:18:33.200 with the Holy Father,

00:18:34.560 it's very interesting

00:18:35.240 because when I spoke

00:18:37.600 once with Bishop

00:18:38.580 Athanasius Schneider,

00:18:39.640 whom I'm sure

00:18:40.300 you've heard of before,

00:18:41.420 he said something

00:18:42.240 very interesting

00:18:43.180 with regard to

00:18:43.820 the Holy Father.

00:18:44.860 And it was that

00:18:45.940 all these people

00:18:47.740 who are encouraging him

00:18:49.920 in the various things

00:18:51.740 that he says

00:18:52.440 that are off-kilter

00:18:54.240 with the church

00:18:55.000 when he said,

00:18:55.920 for instance,

00:18:56.520 you know,

00:18:57.180 cohabitation is real marriage

00:19:00.780 and has the grace

00:19:01.340 of real marriage.

00:19:02.280 When he talked about

00:19:03.320 how in grave circumstances

00:19:04.500 it's okay to use contraception.

00:19:06.160 They were given in talks

00:19:07.420 or on plain interviews

00:19:08.600 on the plain

00:19:09.220 and so on and so forth.

00:19:10.700 But yet,

00:19:12.080 Bishop Schneider was saying

00:19:13.960 we can't encourage that.

00:19:16.120 Those who are encouraging it

00:19:17.600 in order to get ahead,

00:19:18.920 you know,

00:19:19.100 because if you say,

00:19:19.800 oh, that was great,

00:19:20.500 that was great,

00:19:21.280 you're probably going to get

00:19:22.000 a promotion or something.

00:19:23.420 But if you truly love

00:19:25.260 the Holy Father,

00:19:26.920 then we must resist,

00:19:29.240 in the words of Cardinal Burke,

00:19:30.560 when he goes off

00:19:32.360 the page of the faith.

00:19:33.180 Because for laymen,

00:19:36.040 it's something,

00:19:36.940 you know,

00:19:37.280 for us,

00:19:38.480 we have to be able

00:19:39.660 to defend the faith

00:19:40.680 for the sake of our kids.

00:19:42.960 And so,

00:19:43.740 when it happens

00:19:44.860 that,

00:19:45.640 you know,

00:19:46.380 that one incident

00:19:47.140 that I talked about

00:19:47.940 when the Holy Father said,

00:19:49.360 you know,

00:19:50.100 it was July 16,

00:19:51.240 2016,

00:19:52.060 in the talk to priests

00:19:53.200 and people in Rome,

00:19:54.580 he was talking about marriages

00:19:56.260 that he'd seen

00:19:56.980 in northeastern Argentina

00:19:58.700 and how,

00:19:59.920 you know,

00:20:00.280 those people,

00:20:01.040 they were scared

00:20:01.540 to get married,

00:20:02.120 but those cohabitations,

00:20:03.200 they were real

00:20:03.940 and they were faithful

00:20:04.840 to one another.

00:20:05.580 And those were real marriages

00:20:06.880 and they had the grace

00:20:07.420 of real marriage.

00:20:08.160 My daughter called me

00:20:09.620 that day

00:20:10.240 from college

00:20:11.260 to say,

00:20:12.700 Dad,

00:20:13.340 is it true

00:20:13.860 the Pope said,

00:20:15.020 you know,

00:20:15.360 cohabitations,

00:20:16.060 real marriage,

00:20:16.440 has the grace

00:20:16.820 of real marriage?

00:20:17.500 I've asked several

00:20:18.480 cardinals since.

00:20:19.500 Was I supposed

00:20:20.380 to lie to my daughter?

00:20:21.880 The thing is

00:20:22.820 to call

00:20:24.000 the Holy Father

00:20:24.860 to be aware

00:20:26.880 of what he's saying,

00:20:28.900 the effect

00:20:29.420 that it can have

00:20:30.060 on the faithful,

00:20:30.940 the danger

00:20:31.860 for our children,

00:20:33.580 for the faith in general,

00:20:34.700 but also for his own soul

00:20:36.160 because it was our Lord

00:20:37.480 who talked to the apostles

00:20:38.580 saying,

00:20:39.600 it would be better

00:20:40.120 for you

00:20:40.680 that a millstone 0.75

00:20:41.680 be tied about your neck 0.99

00:20:42.560 and be thrown 1.00

00:20:43.140 into the sea

00:20:43.840 rather than you confuse

00:20:44.920 the little ones.

00:20:46.160 And so we've seen

00:20:46.780 that confusion

00:20:47.440 of the little ones

00:20:48.100 up front,

00:20:48.720 up close,

00:20:49.340 in real time.

00:20:50.780 So yeah,

00:20:51.220 the idea

00:20:52.340 of loving the Holy Father

00:20:53.800 to love them

00:20:55.140 in that same way

00:20:56.240 as the people

00:20:57.560 who are inclined

00:20:58.120 to same-sex attraction

00:20:59.020 to bring them

00:21:00.180 the truth nonetheless

00:21:01.200 but in love

00:21:01.940 and with love

00:21:02.700 is very,

00:21:04.320 very important indeed.

00:21:06.500 Father,

00:21:06.960 if you could tell us

00:21:07.540 a little bit about

00:21:08.120 the history of Ireland.

00:21:09.500 I know you know this

00:21:10.140 very well

00:21:10.700 and the history

00:21:12.000 of their persecution

00:21:13.120 and how they came out

00:21:15.040 of that would be great.

00:21:15.880 Ireland has been, 0.76

00:21:17.620 it's been Christian 0.95

00:21:18.980 since the 5th century.

00:21:22.360 Even when Patrick came here,

00:21:24.800 there probably were

00:21:25.760 some Christians already

00:21:27.040 on the East Coast

00:21:28.120 which was facing Britain

00:21:30.740 which was Roman

00:21:32.520 at the time,

00:21:33.240 as you know,

00:21:33.700 it was a Roman province.

00:21:35.120 Well,

00:21:35.440 actually,

00:21:35.940 England and Wales.

00:21:37.760 Most of Scotland

00:21:38.460 was not.

00:21:39.060 the Romans

00:21:41.500 never came to Ireland.

00:21:43.160 There's no evidence

00:21:44.040 of even

00:21:44.980 an attempt

00:21:47.020 to come to Ireland.

00:21:48.420 Patrick was brought here

00:21:49.560 as a slave.

00:21:51.320 He escaped.

00:21:52.560 He went back

00:21:53.400 but he couldn't

00:21:54.120 rid himself

00:21:54.820 of the Irish

00:21:56.180 in his mind,

00:21:57.580 in his heart

00:21:58.180 and he discerned

00:21:59.180 what he believed

00:21:59.860 was a divine call

00:22:01.040 to return

00:22:02.060 this time

00:22:03.880 as a bishop

00:22:04.440 to preach

00:22:06.980 and to spread

00:22:07.760 the gospel

00:22:08.300 in Ireland

00:22:08.840 which he did

00:22:09.600 and he became

00:22:10.580 our patron's end.

00:22:13.580 Ireland

00:22:14.220 stayed Catholic.

00:22:16.980 The church

00:22:17.760 went through

00:22:19.000 as you might expect

00:22:19.940 periods of

00:22:20.840 decline

00:22:22.120 and resurgence

00:22:23.400 became

00:22:25.380 corrupt 0.96

00:22:26.380 and then 0.70

00:22:27.700 went through

00:22:28.280 periods of

00:22:28.980 great reform

00:22:29.800 and return.

00:22:31.560 In the 16th century

00:22:33.500 something happened

00:22:34.980 that had

00:22:35.620 a disastrous

00:22:36.380 effect

00:22:37.080 effect on

00:22:38.200 the church

00:22:38.740 in England

00:22:39.320 and it had

00:22:40.660 a disastrous

00:22:41.320 effect on

00:22:42.060 Ireland.

00:22:43.080 It was the

00:22:43.740 English

00:22:44.760 Reformation

00:22:45.500 which as you

00:22:46.800 know was a

00:22:47.340 different kind

00:22:48.180 of reformation

00:22:49.100 in that really

00:22:50.140 it began as a

00:22:50.940 political quarrel

00:22:52.400 with the Holy

00:22:54.300 Father

00:22:54.700 and it

00:22:56.340 became Protestant

00:22:58.320 we don't have

00:22:59.620 time to go into

00:23:00.220 the details

00:23:00.780 but between

00:23:01.300 the reign

00:23:01.820 let's say

00:23:02.880 Henry VIII

00:23:03.580 would certainly

00:23:04.180 have believed

00:23:04.720 that he died

00:23:05.400 a Catholic

00:23:05.900 and he persecuted

00:23:07.680 Protestants

00:23:08.420 even though he

00:23:09.860 had split

00:23:10.600 with the Pope

00:23:11.360 in the reign

00:23:13.360 of his son

00:23:14.280 Edward

00:23:14.620 which was brief

00:23:15.640 it became

00:23:16.580 more Protestant

00:23:17.400 the brief reign

00:23:19.040 of Queen

00:23:19.520 Mary

00:23:19.880 attempted to

00:23:20.680 turn that

00:23:22.800 back

00:23:23.220 and then

00:23:24.980 the long reign

00:23:25.800 of Elizabeth

00:23:26.960 her half

00:23:28.580 sister

00:23:29.000 guaranteed

00:23:30.020 the Protestant

00:23:31.300 Reformation

00:23:32.700 in England

00:23:33.320 but that had

00:23:34.380 a huge effect

00:23:35.200 on Ireland

00:23:35.580 because the

00:23:36.000 King of England

00:23:36.740 was

00:23:37.300 King of England

00:23:39.400 and Prince

00:23:40.160 of Ireland

00:23:40.740 Ireland had

00:23:41.860 its own

00:23:42.200 parliament

00:23:42.680 but

00:23:43.540 it was under

00:23:45.300 the English

00:23:45.900 King

00:23:46.260 so this

00:23:47.440 had

00:23:48.080 a tremendous

00:23:49.880 effect

00:23:50.380 not straight

00:23:50.980 away

00:23:51.240 but over

00:23:51.780 time

00:23:52.180 so there

00:23:53.140 were ferocious

00:23:53.820 persecutions

00:23:54.720 in the Tudor

00:23:55.600 period

00:23:56.140 it lightened

00:23:59.280 off

00:23:59.720 later

00:24:00.540 then in the

00:24:02.040 17th century

00:24:03.040 again

00:24:03.560 you had a

00:24:04.220 big rebellion

00:24:05.380 the Catholic

00:24:06.220 Confederation

00:24:07.220 then Cromwell

00:24:09.360 landed his

00:24:12.020 troops here

00:24:12.720 and there

00:24:13.880 was a

00:24:14.480 savage

00:24:15.600 repression

00:24:16.240 the population

00:24:17.340 of the

00:24:17.620 country

00:24:17.920 may have

00:24:18.300 been reduced

00:24:18.820 by as

00:24:19.200 much as

00:24:19.540 a fifth

00:24:19.980 perhaps more

00:24:21.540 that may have

00:24:22.880 happened in the

00:24:23.480 Tudor period

00:24:24.200 too

00:24:24.540 and it was

00:24:25.340 to happen

00:24:25.740 again

00:24:26.060 later

00:24:26.380 then you

00:24:26.880 had a

00:24:27.240 period

00:24:27.580 of

00:24:28.300 again

00:24:28.840 miraculously

00:24:30.480 the church

00:24:31.140 never

00:24:31.800 died

00:24:32.480 it had a

00:24:34.400 period of

00:24:35.060 quiet

00:24:35.460 resurgence

00:24:36.280 culminating

00:24:38.320 in

00:24:38.980 the fight

00:24:41.080 for the

00:24:41.760 Catholic

00:24:42.100 King James

00:24:43.040 at the

00:24:43.960 end

00:24:44.280 of the

00:24:44.900 17th

00:24:45.520 century

00:24:45.940 King

00:24:47.080 James

00:24:47.380 lost

00:24:47.740 as you

00:24:48.080 know

00:24:48.280 King

00:24:48.540 William

00:24:48.860 became

00:24:49.280 king

00:24:49.700 the

00:24:50.220 Protestant

00:24:50.640 ascendancy

00:24:51.840 as it was

00:24:52.340 called in Ireland

00:24:53.020 was confirmed

00:24:53.840 and you had a

00:24:55.300 period called the

00:24:56.080 penal laws

00:24:56.800 which had their

00:24:57.360 fiercest

00:24:57.900 lasted for about

00:24:59.400 50 years

00:25:00.400 but in fact

00:25:01.240 stayed on the

00:25:01.820 books for about

00:25:02.560 100

00:25:02.940 am I right

00:25:05.180 more than

00:25:06.240 100

00:25:06.620 more than

00:25:08.020 100

00:25:08.280 120

00:25:08.800 and that

00:25:11.360 was a period

00:25:11.880 when Catholics

00:25:12.680 couldn't enter

00:25:13.760 Parliament

00:25:14.240 they couldn't

00:25:14.980 practice most

00:25:15.900 of the

00:25:16.180 professions

00:25:16.780 it was pretty

00:25:19.160 bad

00:25:19.540 it was pretty

00:25:20.880 bad

00:25:21.380 Catholic 0.99

00:25:22.420 priests

00:25:22.800 had to be

00:25:23.240 trained

00:25:24.140 abroad

00:25:24.620 they had to

00:25:24.980 be smuggled

00:25:26.040 abroad

00:25:26.420 and trained

00:25:26.980 abroad

00:25:27.420 and it

00:25:30.120 had lightened

00:25:30.700 off really

00:25:31.380 by the

00:25:31.980 second half

00:25:32.680 of the

00:25:32.900 18th century

00:25:33.700 but the

00:25:34.220 penal laws

00:25:35.240 stayed on

00:25:35.640 the books

00:25:36.040 until about

00:25:36.980 1829

00:25:37.980 I mean

00:25:39.140 the last

00:25:40.400 of them

00:25:40.800 really went

00:25:41.680 by then

00:25:42.180 now at

00:25:43.580 any time

00:25:44.120 there

00:25:44.440 it wasn't

00:25:45.080 racist

00:25:45.520 or anything

00:25:46.140 at any

00:25:46.560 time a

00:25:47.000 Catholic

00:25:47.360 could have

00:25:48.960 entered into

00:25:50.420 the full rights

00:25:51.260 of a subject

00:25:51.960 of the king

00:25:53.160 simply by

00:25:54.760 taking various

00:25:55.860 oaths

00:25:56.300 acknowledging the

00:25:57.420 king as head

00:25:57.940 of the church

00:25:58.520 which a Catholic

00:25:59.320 can't do

00:25:59.940 that pretty

00:26:01.180 much is our

00:26:02.040 history

00:26:02.500 in the

00:26:03.780 19th

00:26:04.400 Catholic

00:26:04.940 Emancipation

00:26:05.800 came in

00:26:06.180 1829

00:26:07.000 in the

00:26:07.860 19th

00:26:08.400 century

00:26:08.840 there was

00:26:10.700 a terrific

00:26:11.360 famine

00:26:11.840 the population

00:26:14.160 had massively

00:26:14.900 increased

00:26:15.680 to about

00:26:17.040 8 million

00:26:17.540 a huge

00:26:18.840 portion of

00:26:19.380 that were

00:26:19.720 peasantry

00:26:20.620 which is

00:26:20.980 what I'm

00:26:21.340 descended

00:26:21.720 from

00:26:22.060 they were

00:26:22.640 completely

00:26:23.180 dependent

00:26:23.660 on potatoes

00:26:24.480 a crop

00:26:25.640 which had

00:26:25.960 been introduced

00:26:26.520 here from

00:26:27.060 the new

00:26:27.440 world in

00:26:27.920 the 16th

00:26:28.840 century

00:26:29.200 it had

00:26:30.020 thriven here

00:26:30.760 the climate

00:26:31.680 here was

00:26:32.140 perfect

00:26:32.600 climate is

00:26:33.260 it's wet

00:26:34.060 temperate

00:26:34.960 it was

00:26:35.840 perfect

00:26:36.180 for growing

00:26:36.640 potatoes

00:26:37.160 which as

00:26:37.900 you know

00:26:38.320 I mean

00:26:38.660 you can

00:26:38.940 live on

00:26:39.320 potatoes

00:26:39.780 and a

00:26:40.800 huge

00:26:41.000 portion

00:26:41.320 of the

00:26:41.540 population

00:26:42.020 did

00:26:42.400 in the

00:26:42.800 1840s

00:26:44.280 1845

00:26:44.980 there was

00:26:45.400 a blight

00:26:45.920 which I

00:26:46.960 think came

00:26:47.400 from

00:26:47.880 perhaps

00:26:48.460 Canada

00:26:48.860 and it

00:26:50.280 devastated

00:26:52.100 the potato

00:26:52.780 crop

00:26:53.220 it moved

00:26:54.280 very quickly

00:26:55.020 it was a

00:26:56.240 disaster

00:26:56.740 over about

00:26:58.560 three years

00:26:59.140 something like

00:26:59.660 a million

00:27:00.040 died

00:27:00.560 another million

00:27:02.380 emigrated

00:27:03.020 again

00:27:04.100 the faith

00:27:04.880 didn't die

00:27:05.540 but it

00:27:06.700 produced a

00:27:07.320 very hard

00:27:08.280 type of

00:27:09.200 faith

00:27:09.460 it produced

00:27:10.840 a very

00:27:11.500 it produced

00:27:12.640 a peasantry

00:27:13.360 who were

00:27:13.640 obsessed with

00:27:14.380 property

00:27:14.940 terrified

00:27:16.080 of any

00:27:17.920 kind of

00:27:18.460 irregularity

00:27:19.320 they leaned

00:27:20.260 on their

00:27:20.720 faith

00:27:21.180 and the

00:27:22.780 faith

00:27:23.200 and the

00:27:24.460 people

00:27:24.940 as it were

00:27:25.580 combined

00:27:26.360 conspired

00:27:27.180 to make

00:27:27.620 sure

00:27:27.880 that wouldn't

00:27:28.820 happen again

00:27:29.620 it produced

00:27:30.740 a very

00:27:31.380 severe

00:27:32.120 catholicism

00:27:33.640 that helps

00:27:37.540 to explain

00:27:38.260 a certain

00:27:38.800 amount

00:27:39.180 about

00:27:39.520 our

00:27:39.800 problems

00:27:41.320 it also

00:27:42.280 in fairness

00:27:43.880 explains

00:27:44.800 the strengths

00:27:45.520 that were

00:27:46.420 in Irish

00:27:46.860 catholicism

00:27:47.920 but it

00:27:48.560 was

00:27:49.060 a tough

00:27:50.700 faith

00:27:51.100 it was

00:27:51.860 a hard

00:27:52.460 faith

00:27:52.940 it was

00:27:54.000 quite

00:27:54.300 intolerant

00:27:55.060 in many

00:27:55.500 ways

00:27:55.800 quite harsh

00:27:56.460 it brings

00:27:57.100 to mind

00:27:57.540 your

00:27:57.740 opening

00:27:58.160 statement

00:27:58.700 of

00:27:59.560 you know

00:28:00.440 the faith

00:28:00.940 is still

00:28:01.360 here

00:28:01.740 because

00:28:02.920 that

00:28:03.140 you know

00:28:04.220 with that

00:28:04.540 history

00:28:04.880 in mind

00:28:05.600 that's

00:28:06.100 an

00:28:06.200 incredible

00:28:07.180 thing

00:28:07.620 and

00:28:08.540 it makes

00:28:09.100 one think

00:28:09.640 that

00:28:09.980 despite

00:28:10.720 the

00:28:11.360 lockdowns

00:28:12.920 coronavirus

00:28:13.360 anything

00:28:13.980 you're not

00:28:14.780 killing the

00:28:15.220 faith in

00:28:15.540 Ireland

00:28:15.800 it's a

00:28:16.840 faith that

00:28:17.340 has survived

00:28:18.060 as the

00:28:18.700 old hymn

00:28:19.420 actually written

00:28:20.880 by an

00:28:21.260 English

00:28:21.540 priest

00:28:21.880 Father

00:28:22.180 Faber

00:28:22.680 Faith of

00:28:23.720 Our

00:28:23.880 Fathers

00:28:24.240 as it

00:28:24.680 says

00:28:24.920 in spite

00:28:25.460 of dungeon

00:28:26.020 fire and

00:28:26.820 sword

00:28:27.180 it might

00:28:28.640 have added

00:28:29.100 in spite

00:28:29.660 of famine

00:28:30.220 and in

00:28:32.000 spite of

00:28:32.640 its own

00:28:33.940 endurance

00:28:34.640 because

00:28:35.580 we made

00:28:36.840 terrible

00:28:37.260 mistakes

00:28:37.840 I say

00:28:38.520 we

00:28:38.780 because I'm

00:28:39.360 a priest

00:28:39.820 and brother

00:28:40.860 priests

00:28:41.320 made mistakes

00:28:42.120 I think

00:28:43.220 John Henry

00:28:44.020 that our

00:28:44.480 biggest mistake

00:28:45.460 was probably

00:28:46.520 a mistake

00:28:47.060 the church

00:28:47.480 has often

00:28:48.000 made

00:28:48.400 and will

00:28:49.120 make again 0.99

00:28:49.860 we

00:28:50.740 married

00:28:52.960 the spirit

00:28:54.180 of the

00:28:54.680 times

00:28:55.140 more than

00:28:55.800 we thought

00:28:56.320 we had

00:28:56.960 and because

00:28:58.700 the spirit

00:28:59.560 of the

00:28:59.980 times

00:29:00.440 was not

00:29:01.400 alien to

00:29:02.360 our faith

00:29:02.920 or didn't

00:29:03.460 seem to

00:29:03.940 be

00:29:04.160 didn't seem

00:29:05.340 to be

00:29:05.660 as better

00:29:06.100 we married

00:29:07.540 it very

00:29:08.020 easily

00:29:08.480 but actually

00:29:10.680 there was

00:29:11.680 a harshness

00:29:12.620 and a

00:29:13.280 ruthlessness

00:29:13.860 in that

00:29:15.060 world view

00:29:15.920 that did

00:29:16.840 not accord

00:29:17.540 with

00:29:17.780 Christianity

00:29:18.280 or with

00:29:19.480 you know

00:29:19.980 with

00:29:20.180 Catholicism

00:29:20.900 and we

00:29:22.600 made a

00:29:23.380 big mistake

00:29:24.100 there

00:29:24.400 and I

00:29:25.780 think we

00:29:26.480 would make

00:29:26.960 it all

00:29:27.560 over again

00:29:28.460 if we

00:29:29.440 were to

00:29:29.800 compromise

00:29:30.360 too easily

00:29:32.040 with

00:29:34.220 this

00:29:35.220 modern

00:29:35.620 society

00:29:36.320 which has

00:29:37.660 its own

00:29:38.220 darkness

00:29:39.080 just as the

00:29:40.560 previous one

00:29:41.240 did

00:29:41.480 one of the

00:29:42.180 big

00:29:42.440 darknesses

00:29:43.300 of this

00:29:43.840 modern age

00:29:44.700 has been

00:29:46.420 the

00:29:46.960 sexual

00:29:47.700 revolution

00:29:48.240 and then

00:29:49.300 the

00:29:50.220 unfolding

00:29:51.460 of the

00:29:52.340 revelations

00:29:53.160 of sexual

00:29:53.760 abuse 0.79

00:29:54.140 by priests

00:29:55.100 and then

00:29:56.460 cover up

00:29:56.860 by bishops

00:29:57.480 I know

00:29:57.980 that's

00:29:58.380 affected a

00:29:59.100 lot in

00:29:59.520 Ireland

00:29:59.880 as well

00:30:00.500 what has

00:30:02.000 come of

00:30:02.580 that

00:30:03.020 and what

00:30:04.080 do you

00:30:04.300 see

00:30:05.500 as a

00:30:06.300 way

00:30:06.460 forward

00:30:06.860 from that

00:30:07.440 I would

00:30:08.060 say that

00:30:08.520 it has

00:30:08.920 the

00:30:09.100 effect

00:30:09.600 of

00:30:10.380 dynamiting

00:30:12.000 a

00:30:12.400 landslide

00:30:13.040 a

00:30:13.700 waiting

00:30:14.000 landslide

00:30:14.740 modernity

00:30:15.640 was always

00:30:16.120 going to

00:30:16.640 hit

00:30:16.820 Ireland

00:30:17.200 and it

00:30:17.760 was going

00:30:18.060 to hit

00:30:18.420 us 0.96

00:30:18.580 hard

00:30:18.960 but

00:30:20.560 the

00:30:21.060 scandals

00:30:21.860 managed

00:30:23.840 to do

00:30:25.300 the almost

00:30:27.060 impossible

00:30:27.720 they have

00:30:28.340 almost

00:30:29.180 uprooted

00:30:30.020 a faith

00:30:32.420 that was

00:30:33.020 in the

00:30:33.440 very

00:30:33.940 marrow

00:30:34.960 and

00:30:35.620 bones

00:30:36.280 of the

00:30:36.960 people

00:30:37.320 that

00:30:37.820 brings me

00:30:38.360 to a

00:30:38.600 question

00:30:38.860 if I

00:30:39.100 might

00:30:39.280 father

00:30:39.620 it's

00:30:40.040 very

00:30:40.460 hard

00:30:41.040 for

00:30:41.360 Catholics

00:30:42.000 especially

00:30:42.440 Catholics

00:30:42.860 who

00:30:43.100 read the

00:30:43.820 lives of

00:30:44.120 the saints

00:30:44.540 to comprehend

00:30:45.900 that one

00:30:46.640 particularly

00:30:47.860 because of

00:30:49.240 St. Patrick

00:30:49.780 you know

00:30:50.040 St. Patrick

00:30:50.600 who spent

00:30:51.720 so long

00:30:52.540 on the rock

00:30:53.040 to get

00:30:54.080 from our

00:30:54.560 Lord

00:30:54.880 the promise

00:30:55.400 that the

00:30:55.800 faith would

00:30:56.200 always be

00:30:56.540 retained

00:30:56.860 in Ireland

00:30:57.560 I must

00:30:59.520 admit

00:30:59.780 when

00:31:00.240 they lost

00:31:01.600 it on

00:31:01.880 marriage

00:31:02.280 that's when

00:31:03.120 I knew

00:31:03.820 the abortion

00:31:04.240 thing would 0.94

00:31:04.620 go bad

00:31:04.940 because

00:31:05.180 once I

00:31:05.800 saw them

00:31:06.060 lose it

00:31:06.340 on marriage

00:31:06.640 I said

00:31:06.920 well

00:31:07.160 that's

00:31:07.780 but it

00:31:08.660 rocked

00:31:09.460 something

00:31:09.880 in me

00:31:10.260 because

00:31:10.460 I've

00:31:11.460 always

00:31:11.820 I've

00:31:12.140 grown up

00:31:12.500 with the

00:31:12.800 story of

00:31:13.160 St. Patrick

00:31:13.580 on the rock

00:31:14.040 and was

00:31:15.120 sure

00:31:15.420 like you

00:31:15.960 know

00:31:16.020 when things

00:31:16.340 were going

00:31:16.640 haywire

00:31:17.260 in America

00:31:17.800 and the

00:31:18.140 faith

00:31:18.380 I was like

00:31:18.980 oh we could

00:31:19.380 always move

00:31:19.780 to Ireland

00:31:20.220 but

00:31:21.940 how do you

00:31:23.720 explain that

00:31:24.220 I would love

00:31:25.040 to hear your

00:31:25.380 take on that

00:31:25.920 is it the

00:31:26.780 same Ireland

00:31:27.460 no

00:31:27.820 is there

00:31:28.560 anything

00:31:28.900 left of

00:31:29.400 the old

00:31:29.800 Ireland

00:31:30.100 yes

00:31:30.560 without a

00:31:32.480 doubt

00:31:32.720 the faith is

00:31:33.500 still here

00:31:33.980 the faith

00:31:35.180 hasn't gone

00:31:35.920 but it

00:31:36.820 has been

00:31:37.340 reduced

00:31:38.100 reduced

00:31:39.280 it has

00:31:40.620 been

00:31:40.900 it has

00:31:41.400 been

00:31:41.640 cut back

00:31:42.380 to the

00:31:42.780 quick

00:31:43.100 but it's

00:31:45.220 still here

00:31:45.700 so

00:31:46.480 Patrick's

00:31:47.640 Patrick's

00:31:49.040 his

00:31:51.180 the promise

00:31:52.400 as it were

00:31:53.220 he extracted

00:31:54.240 from God

00:31:55.040 so to speak

00:31:55.880 no

00:31:57.560 we're still

00:31:58.420 here

00:31:58.680 we're still

00:32:00.140 here

00:32:00.400 Patrick can

00:32:01.400 smile on

00:32:02.300 that from

00:32:02.780 heaven

00:32:03.100 if on

00:32:04.080 nothing

00:32:04.340 else

00:32:04.660 I would

00:32:05.340 say

00:32:05.620 as a

00:32:05.960 guess

00:32:06.300 and it's

00:32:07.160 an educated

00:32:07.740 guess

00:32:08.220 that this

00:32:09.540 is

00:32:09.980 one of

00:32:12.180 the hardest

00:32:12.980 if not

00:32:14.180 the hardest

00:32:14.980 mission

00:32:16.300 in the

00:32:17.340 English

00:32:17.660 speaking world

00:32:18.460 today

00:32:18.940 is Ireland

00:32:20.820 and I

00:32:23.820 would point

00:32:24.380 out that

00:32:24.860 the Irish

00:32:25.320 were always

00:32:26.560 tough

00:32:27.140 the Irish

00:32:27.920 are a tough

00:32:28.420 crowd

00:32:28.800 this is

00:32:30.760 the people

00:32:31.220 who broke

00:32:31.760 the British

00:32:32.240 Empire

00:32:32.620 but the

00:32:33.480 Irish in

00:32:33.920 the past

00:32:34.360 were

00:32:34.700 overwhelmingly

00:32:35.780 Catholic

00:32:36.400 now they're

00:32:38.160 tough

00:32:38.540 and they're

00:32:40.100 overwhelmingly

00:32:40.620 not Catholic 0.50

00:32:41.440 that's very

00:32:43.160 interesting

00:32:43.640 if you're

00:32:45.560 still Catholic

00:32:46.360 do you

00:32:46.800 remember

00:32:47.000 there's a

00:32:47.400 very similar

00:32:47.800 promise

00:32:48.240 to the

00:32:49.240 three

00:32:49.400 children

00:32:49.660 of

00:32:49.860 Fatima

00:32:50.200 when

00:32:51.280 Sister

00:32:52.040 Lucia

00:32:52.380 asked her

00:32:52.940 lady about

00:32:53.320 Portugal

00:32:53.760 and she

00:32:55.280 mentioned

00:32:55.680 that in

00:32:56.180 Portugal

00:32:56.780 the faith

00:32:58.260 would always

00:32:58.720 be retained

00:32:59.340 so when

00:33:00.560 Portugal

00:33:01.200 started losing

00:33:01.980 it on the

00:33:02.940 same issues

00:33:03.460 of life

00:33:03.880 and family

00:33:04.340 it again

00:33:05.680 rocked the

00:33:06.420 world just

00:33:06.740 like it had

00:33:07.160 with Ireland

00:33:07.600 and so it

00:33:09.340 does make

00:33:09.980 you wonder

00:33:10.380 what

00:33:11.020 heaven meant

00:33:12.300 because they

00:33:13.400 seem to

00:33:13.820 suggest that

00:33:14.800 if you look

00:33:15.780 at it now

00:33:16.340 with this

00:33:16.780 new information

00:33:17.500 that we've

00:33:18.300 lost the

00:33:18.760 faith largely

00:33:19.420 and there's

00:33:20.420 only a small

00:33:20.880 remnant

00:33:21.300 what did

00:33:23.220 our lady

00:33:23.540 mean

00:33:23.940 that brings

00:33:25.700 on some

00:33:26.080 ominous

00:33:26.500 question

00:33:26.880 because you're

00:33:27.400 like oh

00:33:27.740 the faith

00:33:28.560 will be

00:33:28.840 retained

00:33:29.300 in

00:33:30.020 Portugal

00:33:30.720 as it

00:33:31.440 would be

00:33:31.700 retained

00:33:32.060 in Ireland

00:33:32.680 what does

00:33:33.560 that mean

00:33:33.780 for the rest

00:33:34.120 of the

00:33:34.300 world

00:33:34.500 anyway

00:33:35.800 interesting

00:33:36.600 perhaps

00:33:37.820 concerning

00:33:38.360 possibilities

00:33:39.060 any closing

00:33:40.360 words for us

00:33:40.920 Father Brendan

00:33:41.400 we Catholics

00:33:42.420 in Ireland

00:33:42.960 are immensely

00:33:44.080 proud of the

00:33:44.900 Catholic Church

00:33:46.060 in the United

00:33:46.740 States

00:33:47.200 we know that

00:33:48.660 you've had your

00:33:49.220 problems

00:33:49.700 as we have

00:33:50.940 but we're

00:33:53.400 very proud

00:33:54.140 of the way

00:33:54.840 in so many

00:33:56.460 ways in the

00:33:57.360 American Church

00:33:58.640 there is

00:33:59.660 resurgence

00:34:00.400 vitality

00:34:01.500 a tremendous

00:34:02.860 vitality

00:34:03.800 and the spirit

00:34:04.460 of fighting

00:34:06.040 back and

00:34:06.800 presenting the

00:34:07.520 gospel in

00:34:08.120 ever new ways

00:34:09.040 to a new

00:34:09.980 age

00:34:10.340 we ask you

00:34:11.520 to pray for

00:34:12.120 us

00:34:12.360 above all

00:34:13.680 we ask you

00:34:14.420 to pray

00:34:14.800 for us

00:34:15.240 because we

00:34:16.920 are determined

00:34:17.800 to do that

00:34:18.800 here as well

00:34:19.620 and we are

00:34:20.680 hugely inspired

00:34:21.940 in a sense

00:34:23.180 the church

00:34:24.240 in America

00:34:24.840 is the

00:34:25.480 daughter church

00:34:26.260 of the

00:34:26.580 Irish church

00:34:27.320 in a sense

00:34:29.500 and we're

00:34:30.340 very proud

00:34:31.040 very proud

00:34:32.180 of that

00:34:32.660 we need

00:34:34.660 you now

00:34:35.180 to pray

00:34:36.060 for us

00:34:36.500 and we

00:34:37.820 need you

00:34:38.820 to continue

00:34:39.460 to take an

00:34:40.080 interest in us

00:34:40.980 and make

00:34:41.700 us feel

00:34:42.100 that we're

00:34:42.400 not alone

00:34:43.000 I just

00:34:43.820 want to

00:34:44.240 say on

00:34:44.620 that note

00:34:45.100 John Henry

00:34:45.600 that we're

00:34:46.000 very grateful

00:34:46.860 for the

00:34:47.640 for the

00:34:48.520 funding

00:34:50.740 the life

00:34:51.680 funding

00:34:52.720 that you're

00:34:53.360 helping us

00:34:53.920 with

00:34:54.200 that

00:34:55.000 LifeSite News

00:34:55.620 is helping

00:34:56.140 us with

00:34:56.780 Immaculate

00:34:57.960 Productions

00:34:58.900 and Immaculate

00:35:00.040 Productions

00:35:00.660 make my work

00:35:01.560 possible

00:35:02.040 is a tiny

00:35:03.040 Irish company

00:35:04.040 named Immaculate

00:35:05.360 in tribute to the

00:35:06.240 Blessed Mother

00:35:06.800 in tribute to

00:35:07.500 Father Colbe

00:35:08.200 because the

00:35:09.240 Irish again 0.98

00:35:09.840 identify very

00:35:10.720 much with the

00:35:11.320 Polish people

00:35:12.060 as well

00:35:12.560 in their

00:35:13.300 history

00:35:13.720 and there

00:35:15.040 are a lot

00:35:15.300 of Polish

00:35:15.680 people living

00:35:16.280 here now

00:35:16.880 Immaculate

00:35:17.780 Productions

00:35:18.780 really needs

00:35:19.880 that help

00:35:20.480 and it's

00:35:21.280 so good

00:35:22.020 of you

00:35:24.340 and of your

00:35:25.180 colleagues

00:35:25.660 to be thinking

00:35:26.300 of us at

00:35:26.860 this time

00:35:27.380 we really

00:35:28.620 appreciate it

00:35:29.640 we haven't

00:35:31.300 given up

00:35:31.860 we're not

00:35:33.580 going to

00:35:34.040 give up

00:35:34.520 we're going

00:35:36.540 to die 1.00

00:35:36.900 Catholics

00:35:37.500 the crucial

00:35:39.460 trick

00:35:40.480 for us

00:35:41.520 now

00:35:41.840 is to

00:35:42.640 make sure

00:35:43.220 that we

00:35:44.380 pass on

00:35:45.000 the faith

00:35:45.500 before

00:35:47.100 we die 0.93

00:35:48.020 in the

00:35:48.300 proverbial

00:35:48.900 ditch

00:35:49.240 that's

00:35:50.820 absolutely

00:35:51.280 crucial

00:35:52.040 is that

00:35:52.700 we get

00:35:53.140 the tea

00:35:53.680 to the

00:35:54.160 men on

00:35:54.540 the bog

00:35:55.020 will do

00:35:56.160 Father

00:35:56.520 Father

00:35:56.920 Brendan

00:35:57.220 thank you

00:35:57.740 so much

00:35:58.080 for being

00:35:58.380 with us

00:35:58.740 I want

00:35:59.680 to encourage

00:36:00.200 you

00:36:00.620 that's

00:36:02.060 all of

00:36:02.380 you

00:36:02.600 viewers

00:36:03.640 out there

00:36:04.160 to

00:36:04.740 please

00:36:05.480 consider

00:36:06.760 fighting

00:36:07.880 for the

00:36:08.380 church

00:36:08.560 in Ireland

00:36:08.900 and you

00:36:09.320 can do

00:36:09.700 that in

00:36:10.000 a very

00:36:10.220 special way

00:36:10.680 by going

00:36:11.500 to Life

00:36:12.000 Funder

00:36:12.300 and funding

00:36:14.600 this effort

00:36:15.540 to spread

00:36:16.320 the true

00:36:16.640 faith

00:36:16.860 it is

00:36:17.280 as you

00:36:18.060 see

00:36:18.300 it's

00:36:18.800 very much

00:36:20.220 it's been

00:36:22.140 brought down

00:36:23.340 low

00:36:23.620 but we

00:36:25.140 can do

00:36:25.760 everything

00:36:26.180 we can

00:36:26.580 first of

00:36:27.020 all to

00:36:27.280 pray

00:36:27.500 as Father

00:36:27.840 said

00:36:28.080 but also

00:36:28.880 you want

00:36:29.900 a good

00:36:30.140 place

00:36:30.640 to park

00:36:31.580 some of

00:36:31.920 that money

00:36:32.320 that's not

00:36:32.900 going to

00:36:33.200 go to

00:36:33.380 your parish

00:36:33.700 because

00:36:33.940 now

00:36:34.140 they're

00:36:34.300 unfaithful

00:36:34.840 or doing

00:36:36.160 all sorts

00:36:36.540 of weird

00:36:36.780 things

00:36:37.060 there's a

00:36:37.780 good cause

00:36:38.280 here in

00:36:38.640 that

00:36:38.860 and Father

00:36:40.160 Brendan

00:36:40.560 Kilcoyne

00:36:41.100 thank you

00:36:42.060 for standing

00:36:42.560 for the

00:36:42.840 faith

00:36:43.140 thank you

00:36:44.220 for committing

00:36:44.740 to it

00:36:45.880 till

00:36:46.220 death

00:36:47.060 and 0.91

00:36:48.120 we will

00:36:50.060 be praying

00:36:50.460 for you

00:36:50.820 it's been

00:36:51.380 very very

00:36:52.500 interesting

00:36:52.980 speaking with

00:36:53.500 you

00:36:53.660 and thank

00:36:54.240 you so

00:36:54.500 much for

00:36:54.780 that

00:36:54.940 may God

00:36:55.260 bless

00:36:55.460 you

00:36:55.680 God

00:36:56.340 bless

00:36:56.580 you

00:36:56.720 John

00:36:56.960 Henry

00:36:57.220 thank

00:36:57.580 you

00:36:57.880 and God

00:36:59.440 bless

00:36:59.620 all of

00:36:59.900 you

00:37:00.060 we'll

00:37:00.720 see you

00:37:01.020 next

00:37:01.180 time

00:37:01.480 hi this

00:37:04.120 is John

00:37:04.420 Henry

00:37:04.620 Weston

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The John-Henry Westen Show - August 10, 2021

'Ireland is no longer Catholic'： Priest says modernity destroyed the land of St. Patrick

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