The John-Henry Westen Show


'Ireland is no longer Catholic'： Priest says modernity destroyed the land of St. Patrick


Summary

In this episode of the John Henry Weston Show, we speak with Fr. Brendan Kilcoyne, who is a priest in Ireland. He tells us that the faith is still alive but needs our prayers in this land where we received so much from Ireland.


Transcript

00:00:00.360 Ireland is the homeland of so many of the Catholics in the United States.
00:00:05.040 It's a land where St. Patrick prayed that the faith would always be retained,
00:00:09.220 got that promise from God, and yet it was so disturbing to see Ireland vote for same-sex marriage
00:00:14.080 and then vote for abortion.
00:00:17.020 What has gone on with the faith in Ireland?
00:00:18.680 We know that they were rocked by sexual abuse scandals.
00:00:22.000 Can the faith survive?
00:00:23.300 It survived some of the most unbelievable persecutions over the years.
00:00:26.940 We're going to be speaking today with Fr. Brendan Kilcoyne,
00:00:30.840 who is quite the lively priest there,
00:00:33.060 tells us that the faith is still alive but needs our prayers in this land
00:00:38.260 where we received so much from Ireland.
00:00:40.560 Stay tuned.
00:00:56.940 Fr. Brendan Kilcoyne, thank you for joining us on this episode of the John Henry Weston Show.
00:01:04.780 Not at all, John Henry. Thank you very much for having me.
00:01:07.640 Great. Let's begin, as we always do, at the sign of the cross, if you wouldn't mind leading us.
00:01:10.880 In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.
00:01:15.820 Amen.
00:01:16.340 Well, Fr. Brendan, it is a pleasure to talk to you from the land of Ireland,
00:01:22.900 where historically known for such brave and fighting Catholicism,
00:01:29.120 you know, under massive repression often,
00:01:32.140 and yet coming out with a stronger and stronger faith every time.
00:01:37.020 Let's start from what's going on right now,
00:01:40.100 and then get more into that history, which I know you know very well.
00:01:43.680 I think for a lot of people right now,
00:01:47.960 to find out what's happening in Ireland is very important,
00:01:51.940 because we've had real, it's like an earthquake in the church all over the world.
00:01:58.060 But one of the questions is, what's happening in Ireland right now?
00:02:01.360 Is the same earthquake happening?
00:02:03.500 And how are the people faring there?
00:02:05.280 It's not a great situation, John Henry.
00:02:07.540 I suppose really, you're talking about modernity.
00:02:11.240 It was inevitable.
00:02:12.140 It was always going to happen.
00:02:14.420 It just happened for a number of reasons, historical, sociological.
00:02:19.740 It happened much later in Ireland.
00:02:24.160 And it's been greatly accelerated by unfolding scandals internal to the church,
00:02:31.740 emerging over about a 25-year period.
00:02:34.400 So what you're looking at really is, it's really without precedent in our history.
00:02:45.180 It's a situation in which the church is almost certainly,
00:02:49.220 whatever the official census may say, the church is a minority,
00:02:55.340 and perhaps not even a very substantial one.
00:02:58.260 The most recent census showed that still a very high number of people actually self-described as Catholics.
00:03:08.240 I think something in the region of about 70%.
00:03:11.500 But that's a very, very marked decline on previous decades.
00:03:20.940 Back in the 60s, it was as high as 95%.
00:03:23.980 Wow.
00:03:24.200 And practice is much lower than that, again.
00:03:29.220 Let's say, talking about the pre-COVID situation,
00:03:33.200 practice, I would say, was probably somewhere in the 30s.
00:03:39.760 In some of the cities, as low as 2%.
00:03:42.840 Obviously higher.
00:03:44.200 Actually, in most of the cities, it's very low, with the exception of one or two,
00:03:48.640 like Limerick in the West.
00:03:50.980 Wow.
00:03:51.740 So you can see that it's, the tsunami of modernity has hit us.
00:03:59.560 And, of course, what it hit really was an institution that was,
00:04:04.480 it seemed at a man time.
00:04:06.680 It seemed so powerful, so fortress-like.
00:04:09.160 But, in fact, it was terrifyingly vulnerable, looking at it in retrospect.
00:04:17.480 I think Frank Duff, the founder of the Legion of Mary,
00:04:20.480 had commented way back, perhaps back in the 50s,
00:04:26.000 that he had become worried that Irish Catholicism, even then,
00:04:31.560 had started to become quite superficial.
00:04:34.360 And we also know, for instance, that in the clergy,
00:04:41.340 there seems to have been a major failure of spirituality and morals,
00:04:48.200 which really only started to come to light in the 90s.
00:04:51.580 Right.
00:04:51.840 I doubt if I'm surprising any Americans who have relatives or friends here,
00:04:57.540 and who are in tune with what's happening.
00:04:59.680 And I'm probably not surprising you.
00:05:01.600 But for some people in the States, it still comes as a surprise
00:05:05.860 to realise that Ireland is really no longer a Catholic country.
00:05:10.900 Not in any meaningful sense, John Henry.
00:05:14.320 Because, I mean, you can't just take in the number of people
00:05:17.500 who are being baptised.
00:05:18.920 We're still run off our feet doing baptisms.
00:05:21.760 But I can assure you we're not run off our feet
00:05:23.900 looking after parishioners at weekly masses and so on.
00:05:29.220 You know, so the whole thing really is very superficial.
00:05:35.480 Around the world, we had a phenomenon going on
00:05:39.180 about the traditional Latin Mass.
00:05:42.240 They had a real show of, I don't know, support from young people.
00:05:48.740 All of a sudden, rather than walking into church,
00:05:51.400 and I don't know if it's the same in Ireland,
00:05:52.600 but often I've seen here in America, parts of Europe,
00:05:56.820 you walk into a church, and if you're at a daily Mass, like I am,
00:06:00.620 you go and you see there's usually a handful of old ladies.
00:06:03.560 It's always old ladies.
00:06:04.760 In Croatia, it was somewhat different.
00:06:06.580 There was some men in there as well, which was really surprising.
00:06:09.900 But that's really it on a daily Mass.
00:06:13.480 On a Sunday Mass, there's more.
00:06:14.620 But the traditional Latin Masses, what I've noticed is that,
00:06:19.540 by the way, I don't have access to one where I am as well,
00:06:22.160 but nonetheless, when I'm traveling,
00:06:23.780 I've seen daily Masses and Sunday Masses.
00:06:27.080 They're full of those, what you might call old-fashioned,
00:06:30.840 old families with, like my family has,
00:06:34.320 you know, a whole bevy of children in the row.
00:06:36.500 They take up most of the row themselves, if not the whole row.
00:06:38.620 And sometimes if there are huge families, the row behind them.
00:06:41.160 But is that the same in Ireland?
00:06:44.560 Does that go on as well there?
00:06:46.120 My information is that the demographic at the Latin Masses is very healthy.
00:06:52.700 It's a fantastic, as you said, the fantastic old-fashioned mix
00:06:57.220 with all the generations represented.
00:07:01.180 I'm sorry to say that's not the case in my church,
00:07:05.420 or in most churches, as far as I know.
00:07:08.820 So you have some young people, but very few.
00:07:13.860 In my parish, we've put a great deal of investment into youth ministry,
00:07:18.520 and that has produced some results, but the going is hard and it's slow.
00:07:23.720 This culture has taken root in the space of a few decades,
00:07:28.900 and it is monstrously strong and powerful.
00:07:33.800 When you come to grips with it,
00:07:35.080 you know you're dealing with something really powerful.
00:07:38.600 A whole set of assumptions have taken over people's minds
00:07:42.380 and have become part of their worldview and the way they view things.
00:07:47.580 So it really came as a shock to many of us
00:07:52.220 to hear that the Latin Masses were able to count on considerable numbers of young people.
00:07:58.220 And indeed, to hear, as I did recently, from priests in France,
00:08:04.140 that the same was very markedly a part of the French scene.
00:08:07.600 It does tend to be that way, and that's why there's such consternation now
00:08:11.540 over this latest document from Rome,
00:08:14.000 Traditiones Costeres, basically hampering,
00:08:18.660 if not killing off, the traditional Latin Mass.
00:08:21.940 And it really puts it at the bishop's whim,
00:08:24.440 which is quite dangerous for the most part.
00:08:28.040 And knowing your Irish scene of at least your bishops,
00:08:31.100 it's really dangerous there.
00:08:33.240 The solution to bringing young people back to the Church around the world
00:08:39.020 has been very strange.
00:08:41.180 You do have tradition-minded bishops opening Latin Masses,
00:08:45.080 and that seems to be working very well.
00:08:47.220 Yet the method that has been encouraged,
00:08:53.120 and I know also by your Irish bishops,
00:08:56.020 which seems to me the very same thing
00:08:57.640 that caused most people to exit the Church in the first place
00:09:00.500 during the 60s and 70s.
00:09:01.700 It's just like, let's get with the times,
00:09:04.900 especially on the LGBT issue.
00:09:07.360 It's been ridiculous to go forward in this direction.
00:09:11.660 You know, a lot of the bishops in the United States,
00:09:13.740 and unfortunately including Pope Francis,
00:09:15.180 are pushing the Father James Martin approach.
00:09:17.640 The, you know, the pushing of LGBT identity,
00:09:21.820 and in Father James Martin, who, you know, everybody knows well,
00:09:25.280 is promoting, oh, it's too bad that we can't have
00:09:27.960 same-sex marriages in Church.
00:09:29.420 But, blessings, civil unions, the Pope has said so,
00:09:32.720 so we should go for that.
00:09:34.400 This is very scary.
00:09:35.440 What's your take on that vis-a-vis Ireland?
00:09:37.680 Have you seen that push in Ireland much?
00:09:39.900 And what do you think that's going to do for the Church?
00:09:42.540 I think our biggest problem here isn't a lack of goodwill.
00:09:46.980 Like, we have a very solid crowd of men in our bishops here.
00:09:52.560 I don't think it's a lack of goodwill.
00:09:54.880 I think that the particular tightrope that has to be walked,
00:09:59.940 and it is a tightrope,
00:10:01.680 requires skills that most of us don't have yet.
00:10:06.720 But it's the skill, it's probably always been difficult,
00:10:13.580 it's the skill of separating the sinner from the sin.
00:10:17.620 And I think where we've ended up in trouble is that,
00:10:22.460 I don't mean to criticize the Holy Father,
00:10:25.940 but I can see, I know this sounds passionizing,
00:10:30.240 but I believe I can see what he's trying to do.
00:10:32.460 I was taught by the Jesuits in the Gregorian room 30 years ago.
00:10:37.060 There was a heavily Spanish presence there.
00:10:39.160 He's very legible if you were there then at that time.
00:10:42.020 He desperately does not want people to be left out.
00:10:46.500 He doesn't want the Redeemer to judge us
00:10:49.160 for not going after the lost sheep.
00:10:51.820 And absolutely, we have to do that.
00:10:55.340 But it's so tricky in this world of instant communications
00:10:59.480 to go after the lost sheep
00:11:03.080 without giving the impression that the lost sheep
00:11:06.060 was quite right to take off in the first place,
00:11:09.920 without seeming to justify the peregrinations of the lost sheep
00:11:14.540 over hill and dale, so to speak.
00:11:19.700 This is, in terms, the pastoral challenge here is absolutely huge.
00:11:24.840 The subtlety, the nuance, the almost, I don't know,
00:11:30.380 you need the sure-footedness of a mountain goat
00:11:32.880 for this kind of thing.
00:11:34.500 And I think my generation and the older generation,
00:11:38.620 I don't think we have simply that sense
00:11:42.660 of the immediacy of communication in the modern world.
00:11:47.260 I think it's absolutely clear that we get across
00:11:50.420 is that LGBTQ or whatever it is,
00:11:54.060 that these people are so totally welcome in the church
00:11:57.680 that we love them,
00:11:59.100 that we are desperate for them to stay with us.
00:12:01.700 We want to get to heaven.
00:12:03.940 We want everyone to get to heaven.
00:12:06.680 We don't just want a few to get to heaven,
00:12:09.000 but that you won't get to heaven that way.
00:12:12.060 Now, how do you say that
00:12:13.380 without sounding like some sort of homophobic maniac
00:12:21.400 who just wants to go out and kill gay people or whatever?
00:12:26.360 I mean, that's difficult in this modern world,
00:12:29.640 particularly where so many of the media
00:12:31.380 seem to be working against us
00:12:33.120 and are all too willing to pounce on the slightest nuance,
00:12:37.960 the slightest inflection.
00:12:39.280 But I do know from the few bishops I know here
00:12:43.400 and from my own heart,
00:12:45.000 I know we so desperately want these people to stay with us
00:12:50.500 for a whole range of reasons.
00:12:52.200 Firstly, for their immortal souls.
00:12:54.120 Another reason as well, which is interesting,
00:12:56.720 is that I think people who are most open to,
00:13:01.600 let's say, artistic impulse,
00:13:03.060 artistic creativity and inspiration
00:13:06.060 are often on the edge of experience.
00:13:09.700 They're in that liminal place
00:13:11.740 in which also often people who are struggling
00:13:15.920 with, let's say, same-sex attraction or whatever
00:13:19.160 find themselves as well.
00:13:21.220 They have a tremendous amount to offer to the church.
00:13:24.520 They have a tremendous amount to offer
00:13:26.460 to the development of Catholic spirituality in a new age.
00:13:30.380 Because if you don't suffer,
00:13:33.040 how do you identify with the man of sorrows?
00:13:36.260 How do you identify with the passion of our Lord Jesus Christ
00:13:40.320 and let it into your heart
00:13:41.780 and let Christ into your heart?
00:13:43.160 We are trying to bring a message.
00:13:45.140 We are trying to bring our brothers and sisters
00:13:47.280 the food of heaven
00:13:48.820 without spilling the damn thing on the way
00:13:51.240 and ending up breathless, okay?
00:13:54.840 Breathless at the other end of the bog
00:13:56.680 with nothing to give them.
00:13:58.120 So we can't just lose our integrity
00:14:02.300 as we preach the message.
00:14:04.800 We must give them the living water.
00:14:08.540 It's a difficult challenge.
00:14:10.920 There's no doubt about it.
00:14:12.460 But it's doable.
00:14:14.120 It can be done.
00:14:15.140 I think more than ever
00:14:17.480 we have to get behind the Holy Father now.
00:14:19.720 We have to pray, pray, pray for the Holy Father.
00:14:22.860 We have to love him more than ever.
00:14:25.500 In this recent thing,
00:14:26.860 all right,
00:14:28.280 again,
00:14:29.900 I had the feel reading
00:14:32.520 the motu proprio
00:14:34.080 that I was listening to my father
00:14:37.180 when I was a small kid.
00:14:38.560 He's very much like an Irish father
00:14:40.200 of a particular generation.
00:14:42.600 You know,
00:14:42.800 this is the way it's going to be
00:14:44.660 and this is what you're going to do.
00:14:47.220 And fine,
00:14:48.080 sometimes we need that.
00:14:49.240 This is tough for people.
00:14:50.880 It's tough because we saw
00:14:52.380 the fruits that were coming
00:14:54.220 from the Latin Mass.
00:14:56.300 We see the possibilities.
00:14:58.520 It's very easy now
00:14:59.680 to write off,
00:15:01.180 for some people to write off
00:15:02.620 the Holy Father
00:15:03.420 to say,
00:15:03.880 well, that's it.
00:15:04.860 I tried Catholicism again.
00:15:06.560 I came back to it
00:15:07.540 through the Latin Mass.
00:15:08.820 I tried it
00:15:09.440 and now I get,
00:15:11.180 you know,
00:15:11.400 kicking the backside
00:15:12.260 so I'm gone.
00:15:13.300 I'm out.
00:15:14.180 I beg them not to.
00:15:16.140 This is part of Catholicism.
00:15:18.440 He's a tough leader.
00:15:19.600 He's being tough on us.
00:15:21.500 But we're the old guard,
00:15:22.680 John Henry.
00:15:24.060 You know,
00:15:24.860 the Latin Mass gang,
00:15:27.440 if you like,
00:15:28.500 they're,
00:15:28.940 the whole,
00:15:30.400 let's say,
00:15:30.940 conservative element
00:15:32.120 in the church.
00:15:32.920 We're the old guard.
00:15:34.300 You know what they used to say
00:15:35.260 about Napoleon's old guard?
00:15:37.100 The troops who had served
00:15:38.220 with him through thick and thin?
00:15:40.160 The guard dies.
00:15:41.860 It does not surrender.
00:15:43.380 We stick by the Pope.
00:15:44.900 We stick by the Lord.
00:15:46.200 We stick by Our Lady.
00:15:47.420 We stick by the Vicar of Christ.
00:15:50.620 If he,
00:15:51.420 maybe some,
00:15:52.540 some of us feel
00:15:53.760 just at the moment,
00:15:55.120 understandably,
00:15:56.140 perhaps,
00:15:57.560 that he doesn't feel
00:15:58.900 he needs us
00:15:59.680 at all.
00:16:01.040 But he'll need us again
00:16:02.680 and we'll be there for him.
00:16:05.180 Yeah.
00:16:05.300 I think that's,
00:16:06.100 it's just crucial
00:16:06.860 that we get that,
00:16:07.700 get that out.
00:16:09.120 In Ireland,
00:16:09.780 we've always loved the Pope.
00:16:11.380 We've always loved Our Lady.
00:16:13.700 We loved Our Lady
00:16:14.900 sometimes more
00:16:15.600 than we love God,
00:16:16.580 some people used to say.
00:16:18.660 And it's true
00:16:19.580 that often the Irish
00:16:20.960 found it easier
00:16:21.800 to pray to Our Lady
00:16:22.920 than to pray to God.
00:16:24.200 They were afraid of God
00:16:25.200 because God was like
00:16:26.160 an Irish father.
00:16:27.600 He was very strict.
00:16:29.740 So you,
00:16:30.140 you went to Our Lady
00:16:31.520 to get past him.
00:16:32.480 I think we need to use
00:16:35.140 our native genius again
00:16:36.680 for the faith.
00:16:37.680 You know,
00:16:37.940 Our Lady,
00:16:38.800 the saints,
00:16:40.200 our sense that,
00:16:41.340 you know,
00:16:41.620 there were a whole load
00:16:42.560 of ways of,
00:16:44.160 how would you put it,
00:16:45.400 of making it easier
00:16:48.660 to get access to God.
00:16:50.420 It's not that God
00:16:51.360 does that to us,
00:16:52.260 it's that we find it
00:16:53.620 so hard to go to him.
00:16:55.920 And this is what
00:16:56.660 makes it easier.
00:16:57.400 The Pope is just crucial
00:16:59.200 in all of this.
00:17:01.260 He's,
00:17:01.720 I'll say,
00:17:02.080 it wasn't a Catherine
00:17:02.840 of Siena called
00:17:03.680 Him our sweet Christ
00:17:04.760 on earth.
00:17:05.460 You were talking about
00:17:06.300 the love that we
00:17:07.420 as Catholics must have
00:17:08.480 for the LGBT people
00:17:10.400 who feel inclined
00:17:11.400 to LGBT,
00:17:13.520 same-sex attracted Catholics.
00:17:15.320 And then,
00:17:16.340 the love we need to have
00:17:17.540 for the Holy Father.
00:17:18.720 And I think there's a very,
00:17:20.140 there's a distinct similarity there
00:17:22.500 in that,
00:17:23.700 that love always has to be
00:17:25.300 delivered in truth.
00:17:26.160 Because as you said,
00:17:27.320 we can't get there
00:17:28.800 if,
00:17:29.380 across the bog,
00:17:30.180 if you will,
00:17:30.580 if we spill the tea,
00:17:32.020 if we fail to bring the truth.
00:17:34.400 And it's funny,
00:17:35.320 because with our brothers
00:17:37.280 and sisters
00:17:37.780 who are
00:17:38.800 same-sex attracted,
00:17:40.640 let's say,
00:17:41.580 we bring them the truth
00:17:42.840 in love
00:17:43.460 and with love,
00:17:44.720 oftentimes from a lot of people
00:17:46.740 who've been there,
00:17:47.280 done that.
00:17:47.840 I think a lot of people
00:17:48.980 who fell off the
00:17:50.260 bandwagon of purity
00:17:51.940 in their lives before
00:17:52.940 and were able to come back
00:17:54.120 have a capacity
00:17:56.020 to deal with those issues
00:17:57.540 perhaps better than
00:17:58.680 many who haven't
00:17:59.780 been there,
00:18:00.300 done that.
00:18:01.560 And I think there's
00:18:02.680 a method there
00:18:03.420 to bring the truth
00:18:04.360 in love,
00:18:05.040 but to bring the truth
00:18:05.880 nevertheless,
00:18:07.200 sometimes in a way
00:18:08.740 that has to be very up front.
00:18:10.100 You know,
00:18:10.640 this behavior leads to hell.
00:18:12.420 This behavior also leads
00:18:13.500 to all sorts of disease.
00:18:16.500 And normal human sexuality
00:18:18.460 between a husband and wife
00:18:19.520 is non-disease carrying,
00:18:22.580 especially if it's done
00:18:23.680 the way it's supposed
00:18:24.280 to be done
00:18:24.680 with one man,
00:18:26.240 one woman for life,
00:18:27.700 never having gone outside that,
00:18:29.700 then it's actually
00:18:30.300 a healthy thing.
00:18:32.160 And so similarly
00:18:33.200 with the Holy Father,
00:18:34.560 it's very interesting
00:18:35.240 because when I spoke
00:18:37.600 once with Bishop
00:18:38.580 Athanasius Schneider,
00:18:39.640 whom I'm sure
00:18:40.300 you've heard of before,
00:18:41.420 he said something
00:18:42.240 very interesting
00:18:43.180 with regard to
00:18:43.820 the Holy Father.
00:18:44.860 And it was that
00:18:45.940 all these people
00:18:47.740 who are encouraging him
00:18:49.920 in the various things
00:18:51.740 that he says
00:18:52.440 that are off-kilter
00:18:54.240 with the church
00:18:55.000 when he said,
00:18:55.920 for instance,
00:18:56.520 you know,
00:18:57.180 cohabitation is real marriage
00:19:00.780 and has the grace
00:19:01.340 of real marriage.
00:19:02.280 When he talked about
00:19:03.320 how in grave circumstances
00:19:04.500 it's okay to use contraception.
00:19:06.160 They were given in talks
00:19:07.420 or on plain interviews
00:19:08.600 on the plain
00:19:09.220 and so on and so forth.
00:19:10.700 But yet,
00:19:12.080 Bishop Schneider was saying
00:19:13.960 we can't encourage that.
00:19:16.120 Those who are encouraging it
00:19:17.600 in order to get ahead,
00:19:18.920 you know,
00:19:19.100 because if you say,
00:19:19.800 oh, that was great,
00:19:20.500 that was great,
00:19:21.280 you're probably going to get
00:19:22.000 a promotion or something.
00:19:23.420 But if you truly love
00:19:25.260 the Holy Father,
00:19:26.920 then we must resist,
00:19:29.240 in the words of Cardinal Burke,
00:19:30.560 when he goes off
00:19:32.360 the page of the faith.
00:19:33.180 Because for laymen,
00:19:36.040 it's something,
00:19:36.940 you know,
00:19:37.280 for us,
00:19:38.480 we have to be able
00:19:39.660 to defend the faith
00:19:40.680 for the sake of our kids.
00:19:42.960 And so,
00:19:43.740 when it happens
00:19:44.860 that,
00:19:45.640 you know,
00:19:46.380 that one incident
00:19:47.140 that I talked about
00:19:47.940 when the Holy Father said,
00:19:49.360 you know,
00:19:50.100 it was July 16,
00:19:51.240 2016,
00:19:52.060 in the talk to priests
00:19:53.200 and people in Rome,
00:19:54.580 he was talking about marriages
00:19:56.260 that he'd seen
00:19:56.980 in northeastern Argentina
00:19:58.700 and how,
00:19:59.920 you know,
00:20:00.280 those people,
00:20:01.040 they were scared
00:20:01.540 to get married,
00:20:02.120 but those cohabitations,
00:20:03.200 they were real
00:20:03.940 and they were faithful
00:20:04.840 to one another.
00:20:05.580 And those were real marriages
00:20:06.880 and they had the grace
00:20:07.420 of real marriage.
00:20:08.160 My daughter called me
00:20:09.620 that day
00:20:10.240 from college
00:20:11.260 to say,
00:20:12.700 Dad,
00:20:13.340 is it true
00:20:13.860 the Pope said,
00:20:15.020 you know,
00:20:15.360 cohabitations,
00:20:16.060 real marriage,
00:20:16.440 has the grace
00:20:16.820 of real marriage?
00:20:17.500 I've asked several
00:20:18.480 cardinals since.
00:20:19.500 Was I supposed
00:20:20.380 to lie to my daughter?
00:20:21.880 The thing is
00:20:22.820 to call
00:20:24.000 the Holy Father
00:20:24.860 to be aware
00:20:26.880 of what he's saying,
00:20:28.900 the effect
00:20:29.420 that it can have
00:20:30.060 on the faithful,
00:20:30.940 the danger
00:20:31.860 for our children,
00:20:33.580 for the faith in general,
00:20:34.700 but also for his own soul
00:20:36.160 because it was our Lord
00:20:37.480 who talked to the apostles
00:20:38.580 saying,
00:20:39.600 it would be better
00:20:40.120 for you
00:20:40.680 that a millstone
00:20:41.680 be tied about your neck
00:20:42.560 and be thrown
00:20:43.140 into the sea
00:20:43.840 rather than you confuse
00:20:44.920 the little ones.
00:20:46.160 And so we've seen
00:20:46.780 that confusion
00:20:47.440 of the little ones
00:20:48.100 up front,
00:20:48.720 up close,
00:20:49.340 in real time.
00:20:50.780 So yeah,
00:20:51.220 the idea
00:20:52.340 of loving the Holy Father
00:20:53.800 to love them
00:20:55.140 in that same way
00:20:56.240 as the people
00:20:57.560 who are inclined
00:20:58.120 to same-sex attraction
00:20:59.020 to bring them
00:21:00.180 the truth nonetheless
00:21:01.200 but in love
00:21:01.940 and with love
00:21:02.700 is very,
00:21:04.320 very important indeed.
00:21:06.500 Father,
00:21:06.960 if you could tell us
00:21:07.540 a little bit about
00:21:08.120 the history of Ireland.
00:21:09.500 I know you know this
00:21:10.140 very well
00:21:10.700 and the history
00:21:12.000 of their persecution
00:21:13.120 and how they came out
00:21:15.040 of that would be great.
00:21:15.880 Ireland has been,
00:21:17.620 it's been Christian
00:21:18.980 since the 5th century.
00:21:22.360 Even when Patrick came here,
00:21:24.800 there probably were
00:21:25.760 some Christians already
00:21:27.040 on the East Coast
00:21:28.120 which was facing Britain
00:21:30.740 which was Roman
00:21:32.520 at the time,
00:21:33.240 as you know,
00:21:33.700 it was a Roman province.
00:21:35.120 Well,
00:21:35.440 actually,
00:21:35.940 England and Wales.
00:21:37.760 Most of Scotland
00:21:38.460 was not.
00:21:39.060 the Romans
00:21:41.500 never came to Ireland.
00:21:43.160 There's no evidence
00:21:44.040 of even
00:21:44.980 an attempt
00:21:47.020 to come to Ireland.
00:21:48.420 Patrick was brought here
00:21:49.560 as a slave.
00:21:51.320 He escaped.
00:21:52.560 He went back
00:21:53.400 but he couldn't
00:21:54.120 rid himself
00:21:54.820 of the Irish
00:21:56.180 in his mind,
00:21:57.580 in his heart
00:21:58.180 and he discerned
00:21:59.180 what he believed
00:21:59.860 was a divine call
00:22:01.040 to return
00:22:02.060 this time
00:22:03.880 as a bishop
00:22:04.440 to preach
00:22:06.980 and to spread
00:22:07.760 the gospel
00:22:08.300 in Ireland
00:22:08.840 which he did
00:22:09.600 and he became
00:22:10.580 our patron's end.
00:22:13.580 Ireland
00:22:14.220 stayed Catholic.
00:22:16.980 The church
00:22:17.760 went through
00:22:19.000 as you might expect
00:22:19.940 periods of
00:22:20.840 decline
00:22:22.120 and resurgence
00:22:23.400 became
00:22:25.380 corrupt
00:22:26.380 and then
00:22:27.700 went through
00:22:28.280 periods of
00:22:28.980 great reform
00:22:29.800 and return.
00:22:31.560 In the 16th century
00:22:33.500 something happened
00:22:34.980 that had
00:22:35.620 a disastrous
00:22:36.380 effect
00:22:37.080 effect on
00:22:38.200 the church
00:22:38.740 in England
00:22:39.320 and it had
00:22:40.660 a disastrous
00:22:41.320 effect on
00:22:42.060 Ireland.
00:22:43.080 It was the
00:22:43.740 English
00:22:44.760 Reformation
00:22:45.500 which as you
00:22:46.800 know was a
00:22:47.340 different kind
00:22:48.180 of reformation
00:22:49.100 in that really
00:22:50.140 it began as a
00:22:50.940 political quarrel
00:22:52.400 with the Holy
00:22:54.300 Father
00:22:54.700 and it
00:22:56.340 became Protestant
00:22:58.320 we don't have
00:22:59.620 time to go into
00:23:00.220 the details
00:23:00.780 but between
00:23:01.300 the reign
00:23:01.820 let's say
00:23:02.880 Henry VIII
00:23:03.580 would certainly
00:23:04.180 have believed
00:23:04.720 that he died
00:23:05.400 a Catholic
00:23:05.900 and he persecuted
00:23:07.680 Protestants
00:23:08.420 even though he
00:23:09.860 had split
00:23:10.600 with the Pope
00:23:11.360 in the reign
00:23:13.360 of his son
00:23:14.280 Edward
00:23:14.620 which was brief
00:23:15.640 it became
00:23:16.580 more Protestant
00:23:17.400 the brief reign
00:23:19.040 of Queen
00:23:19.520 Mary
00:23:19.880 attempted to
00:23:20.680 turn that
00:23:22.800 back
00:23:23.220 and then
00:23:24.980 the long reign
00:23:25.800 of Elizabeth
00:23:26.960 her half
00:23:28.580 sister
00:23:29.000 guaranteed
00:23:30.020 the Protestant
00:23:31.300 Reformation
00:23:32.700 in England
00:23:33.320 but that had
00:23:34.380 a huge effect
00:23:35.200 on Ireland
00:23:35.580 because the
00:23:36.000 King of England
00:23:36.740 was
00:23:37.300 King of England
00:23:39.400 and Prince
00:23:40.160 of Ireland
00:23:40.740 Ireland had
00:23:41.860 its own
00:23:42.200 parliament
00:23:42.680 but
00:23:43.540 it was under
00:23:45.300 the English
00:23:45.900 King
00:23:46.260 so this
00:23:47.440 had
00:23:48.080 a tremendous
00:23:49.880 effect
00:23:50.380 not straight
00:23:50.980 away
00:23:51.240 but over
00:23:51.780 time
00:23:52.180 so there
00:23:53.140 were ferocious
00:23:53.820 persecutions
00:23:54.720 in the Tudor
00:23:55.600 period
00:23:56.140 it lightened
00:23:59.280 off
00:23:59.720 later
00:24:00.540 then in the
00:24:02.040 17th century
00:24:03.040 again
00:24:03.560 you had a
00:24:04.220 big rebellion
00:24:05.380 the Catholic
00:24:06.220 Confederation
00:24:07.220 then Cromwell
00:24:09.360 landed his
00:24:12.020 troops here
00:24:12.720 and there
00:24:13.880 was a
00:24:14.480 savage
00:24:15.600 repression
00:24:16.240 the population
00:24:17.340 of the
00:24:17.620 country
00:24:17.920 may have
00:24:18.300 been reduced
00:24:18.820 by as
00:24:19.200 much as
00:24:19.540 a fifth
00:24:19.980 perhaps more
00:24:21.540 that may have
00:24:22.880 happened in the
00:24:23.480 Tudor period
00:24:24.200 too
00:24:24.540 and it was
00:24:25.340 to happen
00:24:25.740 again
00:24:26.060 later
00:24:26.380 then you
00:24:26.880 had a
00:24:27.240 period
00:24:27.580 of
00:24:28.300 again
00:24:28.840 miraculously
00:24:30.480 the church
00:24:31.140 never
00:24:31.800 died
00:24:32.480 it had a
00:24:34.400 period of
00:24:35.060 quiet
00:24:35.460 resurgence
00:24:36.280 culminating
00:24:38.320 in
00:24:38.980 the fight
00:24:41.080 for the
00:24:41.760 Catholic
00:24:42.100 King James
00:24:43.040 at the
00:24:43.960 end
00:24:44.280 of the
00:24:44.900 17th
00:24:45.520 century
00:24:45.940 King
00:24:47.080 James
00:24:47.380 lost
00:24:47.740 as you
00:24:48.080 know
00:24:48.280 King
00:24:48.540 William
00:24:48.860 became
00:24:49.280 king
00:24:49.700 the
00:24:50.220 Protestant
00:24:50.640 ascendancy
00:24:51.840 as it was
00:24:52.340 called in Ireland
00:24:53.020 was confirmed
00:24:53.840 and you had a
00:24:55.300 period called the
00:24:56.080 penal laws
00:24:56.800 which had their
00:24:57.360 fiercest
00:24:57.900 lasted for about
00:24:59.400 50 years
00:25:00.400 but in fact
00:25:01.240 stayed on the
00:25:01.820 books for about
00:25:02.560 100
00:25:02.940 am I right
00:25:05.180 more than
00:25:06.240 100
00:25:06.620 more than
00:25:08.020 100
00:25:08.280 120
00:25:08.800 and that
00:25:11.360 was a period
00:25:11.880 when Catholics
00:25:12.680 couldn't enter
00:25:13.760 Parliament
00:25:14.240 they couldn't
00:25:14.980 practice most
00:25:15.900 of the
00:25:16.180 professions
00:25:16.780 it was pretty
00:25:19.160 bad
00:25:19.540 it was pretty
00:25:20.880 bad
00:25:21.380 Catholic
00:25:22.420 priests
00:25:22.800 had to be
00:25:23.240 trained
00:25:24.140 abroad
00:25:24.620 they had to
00:25:24.980 be smuggled
00:25:26.040 abroad
00:25:26.420 and trained
00:25:26.980 abroad
00:25:27.420 and it
00:25:30.120 had lightened
00:25:30.700 off really
00:25:31.380 by the
00:25:31.980 second half
00:25:32.680 of the
00:25:32.900 18th century
00:25:33.700 but the
00:25:34.220 penal laws
00:25:35.240 stayed on
00:25:35.640 the books
00:25:36.040 until about
00:25:36.980 1829
00:25:37.980 I mean
00:25:39.140 the last
00:25:40.400 of them
00:25:40.800 really went
00:25:41.680 by then
00:25:42.180 now at
00:25:43.580 any time
00:25:44.120 there
00:25:44.440 it wasn't
00:25:45.080 racist
00:25:45.520 or anything
00:25:46.140 at any
00:25:46.560 time a
00:25:47.000 Catholic
00:25:47.360 could have
00:25:48.960 entered into
00:25:50.420 the full rights
00:25:51.260 of a subject
00:25:51.960 of the king
00:25:53.160 simply by
00:25:54.760 taking various
00:25:55.860 oaths
00:25:56.300 acknowledging the
00:25:57.420 king as head
00:25:57.940 of the church
00:25:58.520 which a Catholic
00:25:59.320 can't do
00:25:59.940 that pretty
00:26:01.180 much is our
00:26:02.040 history
00:26:02.500 in the
00:26:03.780 19th
00:26:04.400 Catholic
00:26:04.940 Emancipation
00:26:05.800 came in
00:26:06.180 1829
00:26:07.000 in the
00:26:07.860 19th
00:26:08.400 century
00:26:08.840 there was
00:26:10.700 a terrific
00:26:11.360 famine
00:26:11.840 the population
00:26:14.160 had massively
00:26:14.900 increased
00:26:15.680 to about
00:26:17.040 8 million
00:26:17.540 a huge
00:26:18.840 portion of
00:26:19.380 that were
00:26:19.720 peasantry
00:26:20.620 which is
00:26:20.980 what I'm
00:26:21.340 descended
00:26:21.720 from
00:26:22.060 they were
00:26:22.640 completely
00:26:23.180 dependent
00:26:23.660 on potatoes
00:26:24.480 a crop
00:26:25.640 which had
00:26:25.960 been introduced
00:26:26.520 here from
00:26:27.060 the new
00:26:27.440 world in
00:26:27.920 the 16th
00:26:28.840 century
00:26:29.200 it had
00:26:30.020 thriven here
00:26:30.760 the climate
00:26:31.680 here was
00:26:32.140 perfect
00:26:32.600 climate is
00:26:33.260 it's wet
00:26:34.060 temperate
00:26:34.960 it was
00:26:35.840 perfect
00:26:36.180 for growing
00:26:36.640 potatoes
00:26:37.160 which as
00:26:37.900 you know
00:26:38.320 I mean
00:26:38.660 you can
00:26:38.940 live on
00:26:39.320 potatoes
00:26:39.780 and a
00:26:40.800 huge
00:26:41.000 portion
00:26:41.320 of the
00:26:41.540 population
00:26:42.020 did
00:26:42.400 in the
00:26:42.800 1840s
00:26:44.280 1845
00:26:44.980 there was
00:26:45.400 a blight
00:26:45.920 which I
00:26:46.960 think came
00:26:47.400 from
00:26:47.880 perhaps
00:26:48.460 Canada
00:26:48.860 and it
00:26:50.280 devastated
00:26:52.100 the potato
00:26:52.780 crop
00:26:53.220 it moved
00:26:54.280 very quickly
00:26:55.020 it was a
00:26:56.240 disaster
00:26:56.740 over about
00:26:58.560 three years
00:26:59.140 something like
00:26:59.660 a million
00:27:00.040 died
00:27:00.560 another million
00:27:02.380 emigrated
00:27:03.020 again
00:27:04.100 the faith
00:27:04.880 didn't die
00:27:05.540 but it
00:27:06.700 produced a
00:27:07.320 very hard
00:27:08.280 type of
00:27:09.200 faith
00:27:09.460 it produced
00:27:10.840 a very
00:27:11.500 it produced
00:27:12.640 a peasantry
00:27:13.360 who were
00:27:13.640 obsessed with
00:27:14.380 property
00:27:14.940 terrified
00:27:16.080 of any
00:27:17.920 kind of
00:27:18.460 irregularity
00:27:19.320 they leaned
00:27:20.260 on their
00:27:20.720 faith
00:27:21.180 and the
00:27:22.780 faith
00:27:23.200 and the
00:27:24.460 people
00:27:24.940 as it were
00:27:25.580 combined
00:27:26.360 conspired
00:27:27.180 to make
00:27:27.620 sure
00:27:27.880 that wouldn't
00:27:28.820 happen again
00:27:29.620 it produced
00:27:30.740 a very
00:27:31.380 severe
00:27:32.120 catholicism
00:27:33.640 that helps
00:27:37.540 to explain
00:27:38.260 a certain
00:27:38.800 amount
00:27:39.180 about
00:27:39.520 our
00:27:39.800 problems
00:27:41.320 it also
00:27:42.280 in fairness
00:27:43.880 explains
00:27:44.800 the strengths
00:27:45.520 that were
00:27:46.420 in Irish
00:27:46.860 catholicism
00:27:47.920 but it
00:27:48.560 was
00:27:49.060 a tough
00:27:50.700 faith
00:27:51.100 it was
00:27:51.860 a hard
00:27:52.460 faith
00:27:52.940 it was
00:27:54.000 quite
00:27:54.300 intolerant
00:27:55.060 in many
00:27:55.500 ways
00:27:55.800 quite harsh
00:27:56.460 it brings
00:27:57.100 to mind
00:27:57.540 your
00:27:57.740 opening
00:27:58.160 statement
00:27:58.700 of
00:27:59.560 you know
00:28:00.440 the faith
00:28:00.940 is still
00:28:01.360 here
00:28:01.740 because
00:28:02.920 that
00:28:03.140 you know
00:28:04.220 with that
00:28:04.540 history
00:28:04.880 in mind
00:28:05.600 that's
00:28:06.100 an
00:28:06.200 incredible
00:28:07.180 thing
00:28:07.620 and
00:28:08.540 it makes
00:28:09.100 one think
00:28:09.640 that
00:28:09.980 despite
00:28:10.720 the
00:28:11.360 lockdowns
00:28:12.920 coronavirus
00:28:13.360 anything
00:28:13.980 you're not
00:28:14.780 killing the
00:28:15.220 faith in
00:28:15.540 Ireland
00:28:15.800 it's a
00:28:16.840 faith that
00:28:17.340 has survived
00:28:18.060 as the
00:28:18.700 old hymn
00:28:19.420 actually written
00:28:20.880 by an
00:28:21.260 English
00:28:21.540 priest
00:28:21.880 Father
00:28:22.180 Faber
00:28:22.680 Faith of
00:28:23.720 Our
00:28:23.880 Fathers
00:28:24.240 as it
00:28:24.680 says
00:28:24.920 in spite
00:28:25.460 of dungeon
00:28:26.020 fire and
00:28:26.820 sword
00:28:27.180 it might
00:28:28.640 have added
00:28:29.100 in spite
00:28:29.660 of famine
00:28:30.220 and in
00:28:32.000 spite of
00:28:32.640 its own
00:28:33.940 endurance
00:28:34.640 because
00:28:35.580 we made
00:28:36.840 terrible
00:28:37.260 mistakes
00:28:37.840 I say
00:28:38.520 we
00:28:38.780 because I'm
00:28:39.360 a priest
00:28:39.820 and brother
00:28:40.860 priests
00:28:41.320 made mistakes
00:28:42.120 I think
00:28:43.220 John Henry
00:28:44.020 that our
00:28:44.480 biggest mistake
00:28:45.460 was probably
00:28:46.520 a mistake
00:28:47.060 the church
00:28:47.480 has often
00:28:48.000 made
00:28:48.400 and will
00:28:49.120 make again
00:28:49.860 we
00:28:50.740 married
00:28:52.960 the spirit
00:28:54.180 of the
00:28:54.680 times
00:28:55.140 more than
00:28:55.800 we thought
00:28:56.320 we had
00:28:56.960 and because
00:28:58.700 the spirit
00:28:59.560 of the
00:28:59.980 times
00:29:00.440 was not
00:29:01.400 alien to
00:29:02.360 our faith
00:29:02.920 or didn't
00:29:03.460 seem to
00:29:03.940 be
00:29:04.160 didn't seem
00:29:05.340 to be
00:29:05.660 as better
00:29:06.100 we married
00:29:07.540 it very
00:29:08.020 easily
00:29:08.480 but actually
00:29:10.680 there was
00:29:11.680 a harshness
00:29:12.620 and a
00:29:13.280 ruthlessness
00:29:13.860 in that
00:29:15.060 world view
00:29:15.920 that did
00:29:16.840 not accord
00:29:17.540 with
00:29:17.780 Christianity
00:29:18.280 or with
00:29:19.480 you know
00:29:19.980 with
00:29:20.180 Catholicism
00:29:20.900 and we
00:29:22.600 made a
00:29:23.380 big mistake
00:29:24.100 there
00:29:24.400 and I
00:29:25.780 think we
00:29:26.480 would make
00:29:26.960 it all
00:29:27.560 over again
00:29:28.460 if we
00:29:29.440 were to
00:29:29.800 compromise
00:29:30.360 too easily
00:29:32.040 with
00:29:34.220 this
00:29:35.220 modern
00:29:35.620 society
00:29:36.320 which has
00:29:37.660 its own
00:29:38.220 darkness
00:29:39.080 just as the
00:29:40.560 previous one
00:29:41.240 did
00:29:41.480 one of the
00:29:42.180 big
00:29:42.440 darknesses
00:29:43.300 of this
00:29:43.840 modern age
00:29:44.700 has been
00:29:46.420 the
00:29:46.960 sexual
00:29:47.700 revolution
00:29:48.240 and then
00:29:49.300 the
00:29:50.220 unfolding
00:29:51.460 of the
00:29:52.340 revelations
00:29:53.160 of sexual
00:29:53.760 abuse
00:29:54.140 by priests
00:29:55.100 and then
00:29:56.460 cover up
00:29:56.860 by bishops
00:29:57.480 I know
00:29:57.980 that's
00:29:58.380 affected a
00:29:59.100 lot in
00:29:59.520 Ireland
00:29:59.880 as well
00:30:00.500 what has
00:30:02.000 come of
00:30:02.580 that
00:30:03.020 and what
00:30:04.080 do you
00:30:04.300 see
00:30:05.500 as a
00:30:06.300 way
00:30:06.460 forward
00:30:06.860 from that
00:30:07.440 I would
00:30:08.060 say that
00:30:08.520 it has
00:30:08.920 the
00:30:09.100 effect
00:30:09.600 of
00:30:10.380 dynamiting
00:30:12.000 a
00:30:12.400 landslide
00:30:13.040 a
00:30:13.700 waiting
00:30:14.000 landslide
00:30:14.740 modernity
00:30:15.640 was always
00:30:16.120 going to
00:30:16.640 hit
00:30:16.820 Ireland
00:30:17.200 and it
00:30:17.760 was going
00:30:18.060 to hit
00:30:18.420 us
00:30:18.580 hard
00:30:18.960 but
00:30:20.560 the
00:30:21.060 scandals
00:30:21.860 managed
00:30:23.840 to do
00:30:25.300 the almost
00:30:27.060 impossible
00:30:27.720 they have
00:30:28.340 almost
00:30:29.180 uprooted
00:30:30.020 a faith
00:30:32.420 that was
00:30:33.020 in the
00:30:33.440 very
00:30:33.940 marrow
00:30:34.960 and
00:30:35.620 bones
00:30:36.280 of the
00:30:36.960 people
00:30:37.320 that
00:30:37.820 brings me
00:30:38.360 to a
00:30:38.600 question
00:30:38.860 if I
00:30:39.100 might
00:30:39.280 father
00:30:39.620 it's
00:30:40.040 very
00:30:40.460 hard
00:30:41.040 for
00:30:41.360 Catholics
00:30:42.000 especially
00:30:42.440 Catholics
00:30:42.860 who
00:30:43.100 read the
00:30:43.820 lives of
00:30:44.120 the saints
00:30:44.540 to comprehend
00:30:45.900 that one
00:30:46.640 particularly
00:30:47.860 because of
00:30:49.240 St. Patrick
00:30:49.780 you know
00:30:50.040 St. Patrick
00:30:50.600 who spent
00:30:51.720 so long
00:30:52.540 on the rock
00:30:53.040 to get
00:30:54.080 from our
00:30:54.560 Lord
00:30:54.880 the promise
00:30:55.400 that the
00:30:55.800 faith would
00:30:56.200 always be
00:30:56.540 retained
00:30:56.860 in Ireland
00:30:57.560 I must
00:30:59.520 admit
00:30:59.780 when
00:31:00.240 they lost
00:31:01.600 it on
00:31:01.880 marriage
00:31:02.280 that's when
00:31:03.120 I knew
00:31:03.820 the abortion
00:31:04.240 thing would
00:31:04.620 go bad
00:31:04.940 because
00:31:05.180 once I
00:31:05.800 saw them
00:31:06.060 lose it
00:31:06.340 on marriage
00:31:06.640 I said
00:31:06.920 well
00:31:07.160 that's
00:31:07.780 but it
00:31:08.660 rocked
00:31:09.460 something
00:31:09.880 in me
00:31:10.260 because
00:31:10.460 I've
00:31:11.460 always
00:31:11.820 I've
00:31:12.140 grown up
00:31:12.500 with the
00:31:12.800 story of
00:31:13.160 St. Patrick
00:31:13.580 on the rock
00:31:14.040 and was
00:31:15.120 sure
00:31:15.420 like you
00:31:15.960 know
00:31:16.020 when things
00:31:16.340 were going
00:31:16.640 haywire
00:31:17.260 in America
00:31:17.800 and the
00:31:18.140 faith
00:31:18.380 I was like
00:31:18.980 oh we could
00:31:19.380 always move
00:31:19.780 to Ireland
00:31:20.220 but
00:31:21.940 how do you
00:31:23.720 explain that
00:31:24.220 I would love
00:31:25.040 to hear your
00:31:25.380 take on that
00:31:25.920 is it the
00:31:26.780 same Ireland
00:31:27.460 no
00:31:27.820 is there
00:31:28.560 anything
00:31:28.900 left of
00:31:29.400 the old
00:31:29.800 Ireland
00:31:30.100 yes
00:31:30.560 without a
00:31:32.480 doubt
00:31:32.720 the faith is
00:31:33.500 still here
00:31:33.980 the faith
00:31:35.180 hasn't gone
00:31:35.920 but it
00:31:36.820 has been
00:31:37.340 reduced
00:31:38.100 reduced
00:31:39.280 it has
00:31:40.620 been
00:31:40.900 it has
00:31:41.400 been
00:31:41.640 cut back
00:31:42.380 to the
00:31:42.780 quick
00:31:43.100 but it's
00:31:45.220 still here
00:31:45.700 so
00:31:46.480 Patrick's
00:31:47.640 Patrick's
00:31:49.040 his
00:31:51.180 the promise
00:31:52.400 as it were
00:31:53.220 he extracted
00:31:54.240 from God
00:31:55.040 so to speak
00:31:55.880 no
00:31:57.560 we're still
00:31:58.420 here
00:31:58.680 we're still
00:32:00.140 here
00:32:00.400 Patrick can
00:32:01.400 smile on
00:32:02.300 that from
00:32:02.780 heaven
00:32:03.100 if on
00:32:04.080 nothing
00:32:04.340 else
00:32:04.660 I would
00:32:05.340 say
00:32:05.620 as a
00:32:05.960 guess
00:32:06.300 and it's
00:32:07.160 an educated
00:32:07.740 guess
00:32:08.220 that this
00:32:09.540 is
00:32:09.980 one of
00:32:12.180 the hardest
00:32:12.980 if not
00:32:14.180 the hardest
00:32:14.980 mission
00:32:16.300 in the
00:32:17.340 English
00:32:17.660 speaking world
00:32:18.460 today
00:32:18.940 is Ireland
00:32:20.820 and I
00:32:23.820 would point
00:32:24.380 out that
00:32:24.860 the Irish
00:32:25.320 were always
00:32:26.560 tough
00:32:27.140 the Irish
00:32:27.920 are a tough
00:32:28.420 crowd
00:32:28.800 this is
00:32:30.760 the people
00:32:31.220 who broke
00:32:31.760 the British
00:32:32.240 Empire
00:32:32.620 but the
00:32:33.480 Irish in
00:32:33.920 the past
00:32:34.360 were
00:32:34.700 overwhelmingly
00:32:35.780 Catholic
00:32:36.400 now they're
00:32:38.160 tough
00:32:38.540 and they're
00:32:40.100 overwhelmingly
00:32:40.620 not Catholic
00:32:41.440 that's very
00:32:43.160 interesting
00:32:43.640 if you're
00:32:45.560 still Catholic
00:32:46.360 do you
00:32:46.800 remember
00:32:47.000 there's a
00:32:47.400 very similar
00:32:47.800 promise
00:32:48.240 to the
00:32:49.240 three
00:32:49.400 children
00:32:49.660 of
00:32:49.860 Fatima
00:32:50.200 when
00:32:51.280 Sister
00:32:52.040 Lucia
00:32:52.380 asked her
00:32:52.940 lady about
00:32:53.320 Portugal
00:32:53.760 and she
00:32:55.280 mentioned
00:32:55.680 that in
00:32:56.180 Portugal
00:32:56.780 the faith
00:32:58.260 would always
00:32:58.720 be retained
00:32:59.340 so when
00:33:00.560 Portugal
00:33:01.200 started losing
00:33:01.980 it on the
00:33:02.940 same issues
00:33:03.460 of life
00:33:03.880 and family
00:33:04.340 it again
00:33:05.680 rocked the
00:33:06.420 world just
00:33:06.740 like it had
00:33:07.160 with Ireland
00:33:07.600 and so it
00:33:09.340 does make
00:33:09.980 you wonder
00:33:10.380 what
00:33:11.020 heaven meant
00:33:12.300 because they
00:33:13.400 seem to
00:33:13.820 suggest that
00:33:14.800 if you look
00:33:15.780 at it now
00:33:16.340 with this
00:33:16.780 new information
00:33:17.500 that we've
00:33:18.300 lost the
00:33:18.760 faith largely
00:33:19.420 and there's
00:33:20.420 only a small
00:33:20.880 remnant
00:33:21.300 what did
00:33:23.220 our lady
00:33:23.540 mean
00:33:23.940 that brings
00:33:25.700 on some
00:33:26.080 ominous
00:33:26.500 question
00:33:26.880 because you're
00:33:27.400 like oh
00:33:27.740 the faith
00:33:28.560 will be
00:33:28.840 retained
00:33:29.300 in
00:33:30.020 Portugal
00:33:30.720 as it
00:33:31.440 would be
00:33:31.700 retained
00:33:32.060 in Ireland
00:33:32.680 what does
00:33:33.560 that mean
00:33:33.780 for the rest
00:33:34.120 of the
00:33:34.300 world
00:33:34.500 anyway
00:33:35.800 interesting
00:33:36.600 perhaps
00:33:37.820 concerning
00:33:38.360 possibilities
00:33:39.060 any closing
00:33:40.360 words for us
00:33:40.920 Father Brendan
00:33:41.400 we Catholics
00:33:42.420 in Ireland
00:33:42.960 are immensely
00:33:44.080 proud of the
00:33:44.900 Catholic Church
00:33:46.060 in the United
00:33:46.740 States
00:33:47.200 we know that
00:33:48.660 you've had your
00:33:49.220 problems
00:33:49.700 as we have
00:33:50.940 but we're
00:33:53.400 very proud
00:33:54.140 of the way
00:33:54.840 in so many
00:33:56.460 ways in the
00:33:57.360 American Church
00:33:58.640 there is
00:33:59.660 resurgence
00:34:00.400 vitality
00:34:01.500 a tremendous
00:34:02.860 vitality
00:34:03.800 and the spirit
00:34:04.460 of fighting
00:34:06.040 back and
00:34:06.800 presenting the
00:34:07.520 gospel in
00:34:08.120 ever new ways
00:34:09.040 to a new
00:34:09.980 age
00:34:10.340 we ask you
00:34:11.520 to pray for
00:34:12.120 us
00:34:12.360 above all
00:34:13.680 we ask you
00:34:14.420 to pray
00:34:14.800 for us
00:34:15.240 because we
00:34:16.920 are determined
00:34:17.800 to do that
00:34:18.800 here as well
00:34:19.620 and we are
00:34:20.680 hugely inspired
00:34:21.940 in a sense
00:34:23.180 the church
00:34:24.240 in America
00:34:24.840 is the
00:34:25.480 daughter church
00:34:26.260 of the
00:34:26.580 Irish church
00:34:27.320 in a sense
00:34:29.500 and we're
00:34:30.340 very proud
00:34:31.040 very proud
00:34:32.180 of that
00:34:32.660 we need
00:34:34.660 you now
00:34:35.180 to pray
00:34:36.060 for us
00:34:36.500 and we
00:34:37.820 need you
00:34:38.820 to continue
00:34:39.460 to take an
00:34:40.080 interest in us
00:34:40.980 and make
00:34:41.700 us feel
00:34:42.100 that we're
00:34:42.400 not alone
00:34:43.000 I just
00:34:43.820 want to
00:34:44.240 say on
00:34:44.620 that note
00:34:45.100 John Henry
00:34:45.600 that we're
00:34:46.000 very grateful
00:34:46.860 for the
00:34:47.640 for the
00:34:48.520 funding
00:34:50.740 the life
00:34:51.680 funding
00:34:52.720 that you're
00:34:53.360 helping us
00:34:53.920 with
00:34:54.200 that
00:34:55.000 LifeSite News
00:34:55.620 is helping
00:34:56.140 us with
00:34:56.780 Immaculate
00:34:57.960 Productions
00:34:58.900 and Immaculate
00:35:00.040 Productions
00:35:00.660 make my work
00:35:01.560 possible
00:35:02.040 is a tiny
00:35:03.040 Irish company
00:35:04.040 named Immaculate
00:35:05.360 in tribute to the
00:35:06.240 Blessed Mother
00:35:06.800 in tribute to
00:35:07.500 Father Colbe
00:35:08.200 because the
00:35:09.240 Irish again
00:35:09.840 identify very
00:35:10.720 much with the
00:35:11.320 Polish people
00:35:12.060 as well
00:35:12.560 in their
00:35:13.300 history
00:35:13.720 and there
00:35:15.040 are a lot
00:35:15.300 of Polish
00:35:15.680 people living
00:35:16.280 here now
00:35:16.880 Immaculate
00:35:17.780 Productions
00:35:18.780 really needs
00:35:19.880 that help
00:35:20.480 and it's
00:35:21.280 so good
00:35:22.020 of you
00:35:24.340 and of your
00:35:25.180 colleagues
00:35:25.660 to be thinking
00:35:26.300 of us at
00:35:26.860 this time
00:35:27.380 we really
00:35:28.620 appreciate it
00:35:29.640 we haven't
00:35:31.300 given up
00:35:31.860 we're not
00:35:33.580 going to
00:35:34.040 give up
00:35:34.520 we're going
00:35:36.540 to die
00:35:36.900 Catholics
00:35:37.500 the crucial
00:35:39.460 trick
00:35:40.480 for us
00:35:41.520 now
00:35:41.840 is to
00:35:42.640 make sure
00:35:43.220 that we
00:35:44.380 pass on
00:35:45.000 the faith
00:35:45.500 before
00:35:47.100 we die
00:35:48.020 in the
00:35:48.300 proverbial
00:35:48.900 ditch
00:35:49.240 that's
00:35:50.820 absolutely
00:35:51.280 crucial
00:35:52.040 is that
00:35:52.700 we get
00:35:53.140 the tea
00:35:53.680 to the
00:35:54.160 men on
00:35:54.540 the bog
00:35:55.020 will do
00:35:56.160 Father
00:35:56.520 Father
00:35:56.920 Brendan
00:35:57.220 thank you
00:35:57.740 so much
00:35:58.080 for being
00:35:58.380 with us
00:35:58.740 I want
00:35:59.680 to encourage
00:36:00.200 you
00:36:00.620 that's
00:36:02.060 all of
00:36:02.380 you
00:36:02.600 viewers
00:36:03.640 out there
00:36:04.160 to
00:36:04.740 please
00:36:05.480 consider
00:36:06.760 fighting
00:36:07.880 for the
00:36:08.380 church
00:36:08.560 in Ireland
00:36:08.900 and you
00:36:09.320 can do
00:36:09.700 that in
00:36:10.000 a very
00:36:10.220 special way
00:36:10.680 by going
00:36:11.500 to Life
00:36:12.000 Funder
00:36:12.300 and funding
00:36:14.600 this effort
00:36:15.540 to spread
00:36:16.320 the true
00:36:16.640 faith
00:36:16.860 it is
00:36:17.280 as you
00:36:18.060 see
00:36:18.300 it's
00:36:18.800 very much
00:36:20.220 it's been
00:36:22.140 brought down
00:36:23.340 low
00:36:23.620 but we
00:36:25.140 can do
00:36:25.760 everything
00:36:26.180 we can
00:36:26.580 first of
00:36:27.020 all to
00:36:27.280 pray
00:36:27.500 as Father
00:36:27.840 said
00:36:28.080 but also
00:36:28.880 you want
00:36:29.900 a good
00:36:30.140 place
00:36:30.640 to park
00:36:31.580 some of
00:36:31.920 that money
00:36:32.320 that's not
00:36:32.900 going to
00:36:33.200 go to
00:36:33.380 your parish
00:36:33.700 because
00:36:33.940 now
00:36:34.140 they're
00:36:34.300 unfaithful
00:36:34.840 or doing
00:36:36.160 all sorts
00:36:36.540 of weird
00:36:36.780 things
00:36:37.060 there's a
00:36:37.780 good cause
00:36:38.280 here in
00:36:38.640 that
00:36:38.860 and Father
00:36:40.160 Brendan
00:36:40.560 Kilcoyne
00:36:41.100 thank you
00:36:42.060 for standing
00:36:42.560 for the
00:36:42.840 faith
00:36:43.140 thank you
00:36:44.220 for committing
00:36:44.740 to it
00:36:45.880 till
00:36:46.220 death
00:36:47.060 and
00:36:48.120 we will
00:36:50.060 be praying
00:36:50.460 for you
00:36:50.820 it's been
00:36:51.380 very very
00:36:52.500 interesting
00:36:52.980 speaking with
00:36:53.500 you
00:36:53.660 and thank
00:36:54.240 you so
00:36:54.500 much for
00:36:54.780 that
00:36:54.940 may God
00:36:55.260 bless
00:36:55.460 you
00:36:55.680 God
00:36:56.340 bless
00:36:56.580 you
00:36:56.720 John
00:36:56.960 Henry
00:36:57.220 thank
00:36:57.580 you
00:36:57.880 and God
00:36:59.440 bless
00:36:59.620 all of
00:36:59.900 you
00:37:00.060 we'll
00:37:00.720 see you
00:37:01.020 next
00:37:01.180 time
00:37:01.480 hi this
00:37:04.120 is John
00:37:04.420 Henry
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