The John-Henry Westen Show - 'It's evil'： Why we can't accept vaccine passports

00:00:00.000 If the COVID injections are, as we know, just experimental and vaccine manufacturers are

00:00:05.880 immune from liability for them, what happens when you get sick or permanently injured or

00:00:11.820 even lose your life from the COVID shot?

00:00:14.400 Will your insurance company compensate you?

00:00:16.900 Who is liable?

00:00:18.720 There are many confusing questions today, and to help us answer them, we have a very

00:00:23.380 well-known lawyer and pro-life activist with us, Matt Staver, the founder of Liberty Council.

00:00:27.740 We will be speaking with him about the so-called vaccines, about stacking the Supreme Court,

00:00:33.220 about trafficking in aborted baby body parts, and more.

00:00:36.220 Stay tuned.

00:00:46.140 Matt Staver, welcome to the program.

00:00:47.900 Thank you.

00:00:48.200 Good to be with you.

00:00:50.660 Let's begin, as we always do, with the sign of the cross.

00:00:53.140 In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.

00:00:56.700 Amen.

00:00:57.740 We are very pleased to speak with you, Matt, because I know Liberty Council is doing so

00:01:03.760 much nowadays.

00:01:04.460 You guys are busy.

00:01:05.220 You'll all get out.

00:01:06.560 There's some confusing things going on, and one of them is this whole notion of stacking

00:01:12.820 the Supreme Court.

00:01:14.260 If you could tell us, A, what exactly that means and how they're going about it and the

00:01:19.300 danger that that is for America. 0.52

00:01:20.980 Well, stacking the Supreme Court or court stacking, as it's been known since 1937, when FDR tried

00:01:28.520 to do it, he failed in expanding the Supreme Court from nine justices, and that was bipartisan

00:01:35.640 opposition against him.

00:01:37.580 But unfortunately, what he did was he intimidated the then-sitting justices enough that they began

00:01:43.220 ruling in favor of his big government policies that he ultimately tried to stack the court

00:01:48.600 to change the political landscape.

00:01:50.700 Stacking the court or court stacking is expanding the court from nine justices to many, many

00:01:57.180 more justices.

00:01:58.220 And that's what President Biden and other people within the administration are actually

00:02:04.420 promoting, is stacking the court because they want to be able to have the opportunity to

00:02:10.360 appoint all of these new justices, five, seven, however many more they want to add.

00:02:15.760 And that would clearly change the balance of power in the Supreme Court forever in our lifetime.

00:02:21.860 It would radicalize the court.

00:02:23.700 It would mean that every policy that Biden and some of the other Democrats are pushing

00:02:30.520 with regards to abortion, LGBT, destroying religious freedom, and much, much more would 0.98

00:02:36.040 literally get a rubber stamp at the high court.

00:02:38.040 So it's a very dangerous process, and it is very dangerous to our Republican form of government

00:02:45.640 where we have three branches of government.

00:02:47.540 This would become the dominant and, frankly, the only branch of government that would matter.

00:02:52.840 Right.

00:02:53.700 Now, with this, how are they going about this right now, and what's the likelihood of their

00:02:59.100 success in terms of putting this forward?

00:03:02.920 Well, they're moving now through the House and through the Senate legislation, and they're

00:03:07.860 pushing this.

00:03:08.800 They're now messaging it.

00:03:10.800 And clearly what they want to do is move this through the system.

00:03:14.920 And what they need to do is just simply get a vote of the majority in the House and the

00:03:20.120 Senate to do this. 1.00

00:03:21.000 But frankly, I think that there is some opposition that they're going to face, even perhaps from

00:03:25.620 some Democrats in the Senate, like Joe Manchin and some others.

00:03:30.280 So it's going to be a very tough battle, but we can't take it for granted.

00:03:33.140 Let me just give you an example.

00:03:34.320 If you look at Venezuela, the Venezuelan dictator there stacked the court.

00:03:39.080 Since he stacked the court and then put all these pro-government, pro-socialist type of judges and

00:03:47.700 justices in office, there have been 47,000 rulings, and every one of them have ruled in

00:03:54.400 favor of the government.

00:03:56.380 That's the problem, and that's the threat to our freedom that we face.

00:03:59.580 Okay, so what can Americans do right now to fight this?

00:04:05.200 What is Liberty Council doing, and how can we support it?

00:04:08.560 Well, our battle is really going to be focusing on the United States Senate.

00:04:12.220 The majority of Democrats in the House is a very slim number.

00:04:16.420 That number just shrunk even more with the most recent addition of a Republican member of Congress.

00:04:22.540 But they have enough if they ultimately just move in lockstep, and that's what they have been doing.

00:04:26.820 On the Senate side, it's a 50-50 split with a single vote to break that tie from the vice president.

00:04:34.060 So all we need on the Senate side is one or two Democrats to say, no, this is a dangerous threat

00:04:41.340 to freedom, and the reason it is is because this can be like a ping-pong back and forth.

00:04:47.960 The Democrats now add five or seven justices.

00:04:50.620 Then the Republicans get control of the House and Senate, and they add five or seven more justices,

00:04:55.500 and it gets completely out of control.

00:04:57.680 And this is exactly what happened to the Democrats when they removed the filibuster

00:05:02.460 as it relates to judicial appointments.

00:05:04.640 Well, when President Donald Trump became president, he was able to nominate and have confirmed

00:05:09.900 a record number of constitutionalist justice, including three justices to the United States Supreme Court

00:05:16.040 and hundreds of judges across the country.

00:05:18.260 So they know that whatever is good for the goose can be good for the gander, and the problem is

00:05:22.540 it really upsets the balance of power and the divided government that our founders clearly

00:05:28.200 envisioned and need to have moving forward to maintain our liberty.

00:05:32.520 Wow.

00:05:32.860 Now, Liberty Council is involved in many, many things, and something just came across my desk

00:05:37.520 from you guys the other day, which I felt truly horrific.

00:05:39.860 It was about forcing the taxpayer funding of trafficking in aborted baby body parts.

00:05:47.920 Let's unpack that for us, if you will.

00:05:49.460 Trump issued an executive order that banned that.

00:05:52.160 And of course, we have the Hyde Amendment that goes back all the way to Henry Hyde, very

00:05:56.820 solid pro-life member of Congress, and goes back to the Reagan administration.

00:06:01.700 And that prevents or did prevent federal funding of abortion.

00:06:05.700 However, the Democratic-controlled House and Senate most recently set aside the Hyde Amendment,

00:06:12.060 which means the floodgates are open for federal dollars to fund abortion. 1.00

00:06:17.260 And also what they did is they have reversed President Donald Trump's executive order with

00:06:23.200 regards to having federal funds go to this research involving aborted babies.

00:06:28.900 These are aborted babies that have been used, and their cell lines are still being used in research.

00:06:34.240 We're also talking about tissue.

00:06:36.600 And we know, for example, representing Sandra Merritt against Planned Parenthood, that Planned

00:06:42.780 Parenthood and abortion clinics have profited off of harvesting baby body parts.

00:06:49.360 Some of these body parts, lungs, liver, kidneys, brains, and other parts of the body were harvested

00:06:56.040 while the babies were still alive without any anesthesia.

00:06:59.740 They were removed, whisked off to an organization that then sold them to university research facilities

00:07:07.540 for thousands and thousands of dollars, up to $17,000 for these federal-funded back then

00:07:14.980 tissues, parts of human babies that were literally extracted, some of which while the babies were

00:07:21.200 alive.

00:07:21.520 That came to an end under President Donald Trump.

00:07:25.600 But the floodgates have now been opened again under Biden and Harris.

00:07:30.700 This is the most reprehensible thing you can imagine.

00:07:33.940 This is akin to Nazi Germany experimenting on individuals.

00:07:38.620 And then now it is forcing Americans to participate in human genocide and the slaughter and harvesting

00:07:45.820 of body parts from these innocent children.

00:07:48.560 This sounds so unbelievable because who can believe it's the numbers of abortions are staggering

00:07:55.680 all by themselves.

00:07:56.300 We're killing a million American children a year, every year.

00:07:59.740 But this extra macabre, it's, it's almost hard to believe.

00:08:05.500 In fact, at LifeSite, we had a aborted baby part price list many years ago, but before the

00:08:12.260 great work that your client, Sandra Merritt and her partner, David Daleiden did, there

00:08:18.360 was no sort of proof.

00:08:20.040 And yet they gave just a proof that, and of course it tried to be hid by the powers that

00:08:26.040 be, but it was proof positive, showing you the interactions, showing you the body parts.

00:08:31.380 It was, it was, it's probably the best undercover investigation ever done in America, period.

00:08:36.980 And that's why they want to stifle it.

00:08:39.380 That's why then Attorney General Xavier Becerra, and before him, Kamala Harris came after David 0.91

00:08:47.140 Daleiden and Sandra Merritt to shut them up because they didn't want the world to know 1.00

00:08:51.840 what Planned Parenthood and these abortion clinics were doing.

00:08:54.180 And LifeSite, you've done an amazing job at documenting this information.

00:08:59.120 We now have indisputable proof from these individuals themselves where they describe how

00:09:04.900 they are making these abortion procedures different, pulling babies out by their feet 0.99

00:09:09.540 while they're alive, crushing above, crushing below the thorax so they can then make and remove

00:09:15.140 intact hearts, livers, lungs, kidneys, and even the brains and many other products that

00:09:22.700 they're selling as products with a price list.

00:09:25.560 I mean, it's unbelievable.

00:09:27.180 These organ procurement companies had dropdown screens where you could literally order certain

00:09:32.200 baby body parts from this dropdown screen, and it would then give you a priceless, just

00:09:37.580 like you're ordering shoe sizes and colors and styles.

00:09:40.940 It's unbelievable.

00:09:42.600 And yet this is now the new face of the White House and the Department of Human Health and

00:09:50.960 Human Services.

00:09:51.900 They are forcing this, pushing this on America.

00:09:56.040 They are opening the floodgates again for these human experiments and these Nazi-esque kind 1.00

00:10:01.960 of activities against these innocent children.

00:10:04.200 And they're now forcing every American to become complicit by funding this bloodshed.

00:10:10.560 And what I find truly fascinating is that the cancel culture that we're all seeing now and has

00:10:17.020 been talked about for a long time recently, actually started before this with the very people who

00:10:25.340 went after your client, Sandra Merritt.

00:10:27.680 It's unbelievable.

00:10:29.400 It's Kamala Harris.

00:10:30.860 It is Xavier Becerra.

00:10:32.960 Explain, if you would, their connection to your client and their connection in this cancel

00:10:37.440 culture from back in your day when this began with your clients.

00:10:41.860 Well, Kamala Harris was the attorney general of California at the time that this began.

00:10:46.500 And she's the one who authorized the unconstitutional raid against David Delighton's home to confiscate

00:10:53.440 the remaining computers and information that he's had regarding Planned Parenthood and their

00:10:58.740 harvesting of the abortion clinics of these human baby body parts.

00:11:02.780 She then moved into the Senate and she was replaced by another pro-abortion, pro-Planned 1.00

00:11:07.440 Parenthood attorney general, Xavier Becerra.

00:11:10.280 In fact, we have a picture of him in a press conference where he has a sign behind him that says,

00:11:14.660 I stand with Planned Parenthood.

00:11:18.120 Both of them were supported by Planned Parenthood with contributions for their campaigns.

00:11:23.440 Both of them are radically pro-abortion.

00:11:26.000 And that's when Becerra then filed these 16 criminal charges, never been done before,

00:11:31.500 against journalists.

00:11:32.980 In fact, it was so outrageous that even the Los Angeles Times editorial board blasted Becerra

00:11:38.560 because they realized, although they don't agree with the pro-life perspective of David

00:11:43.780 and Sandra, they understand the implications to freedom of speech for journalists.

00:11:49.440 And by the way, at the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, we now have amicus briefs from multiple

00:11:55.500 attorneys general in our favor where we are there in this case where Planned Parenthood brought

00:12:01.060 this multi-million dollar lawsuit.

00:12:02.400 And even the animal rights organizations have filed briefs in our favor, not because we're

00:12:09.120 on the same page on the specific issue, but because they understand the threat to freedom

00:12:13.440 of speech, particularly for undercover journalism.

00:12:16.520 Yeah.

00:12:16.920 Yeah.

00:12:17.080 And the incredible thing is this undercover journalism, which exposed beyond any shadow

00:12:23.500 of a doubt, the truth, the gruesome, horrific truth of what's happening in America and, and

00:12:29.720 which was illegal and now is being not only accepted, but they not only didn't prosecute

00:12:37.380 Planned Parenthood, they went after the journalists themselves in an absolutely unbelievable way.

00:12:43.240 And yet, instead of America being shocked at that, they've become the new face of the

00:12:49.640 White House itself.

00:12:51.700 Yeah.

00:12:52.460 You have Harris now who began all of this as in the VP position.

00:12:59.260 And now you have Xavier Brissera, who's the head of the, the secretary of the Department

00:13:04.900 of Health and Human Services.

00:13:06.600 Health and Human Services oversees issues like this with regards to abortion funding, different

00:13:13.000 kinds of conscience clause that ultimately came into existence with HHS protecting the

00:13:18.280 rights of conscience of people who wanted to opt out pharmacists, doctors, health care

00:13:22.980 providers, nurses from participating in abortion or from giving abortion inducing drugs and devices

00:13:29.740 or even contraception for those that have religious beliefs to the contrary.

00:13:35.400 They were protected under President Donald Trump.

00:13:38.420 Now that is being threatened and they are now being forced to violate their conscience.

00:13:43.980 So it is the most radical kind of leadership in Washington that we've ever seen in America.

00:13:52.400 You know, President, former President Obama was very, very radical on his pro-abortion agenda.

00:13:58.420 But this administration has even exceeded Obama's radicalism.

00:14:04.860 Amazing.

00:14:05.240 Amazing.

00:14:05.860 There are many Americans right now who will be watching this thinking, oh my goodness, what

00:14:11.360 can we do?

00:14:11.780 We can't let America go down this road.

00:14:14.420 How can we stop it?

00:14:15.620 What can we still do?

00:14:16.980 Well, obviously we need to always pray and never, ever, ever, ever, ever give up.

00:14:23.400 You know, when we look at stories, for example, from the Old Testament, it was impossible for the

00:14:27.580 Exodus to happen, but it did because God ultimately ordained it.

00:14:31.520 It was impossible for the Jews to survive in Persia when they had that irrevocable decree 1.00

00:14:37.420 from the king.

00:14:38.220 But we now celebrate the story of Esther and we celebrate, the Jewish people celebrate around

00:14:46.160 the world the Feast of Purim to celebrate that victorious occasion.

00:14:50.820 It was impossible for the three Hebrews to walk through the fiery furnace or for Daniel to

00:14:55.540 survive the lion's den.

00:14:56.720 So even in the face of impossible odds, we need to continue to pray, be faithful, and

00:15:03.020 we must speak up.

00:15:04.820 We must never get discouraged.

00:15:07.500 The tactic of the adversary, Satan, is to discourage you, to wear you down mentally so that you literally

00:15:15.120 give up, go home, and give up the fight.

00:15:19.740 We must never, ever give up the fight.

00:15:22.600 We must always speak up.

00:15:24.460 We must always act.

00:15:25.780 Obviously, we pray and we act.

00:15:28.660 And we must always understand that God is in control and that he will not be mocked.

00:15:35.480 But what he wants is a church to stand up, to be the light, and to share this light of the

00:15:42.400 good news of the gospel all over this world, and to stand especially for truth and especially

00:15:48.200 for his little ones.

00:15:49.200 Matt, one of the other questions that I wanted to ask you about is obviously very controversial

00:15:54.000 today.

00:15:54.580 And that is about the abortion-tainted nature of the vaccines that are being rolled out

00:15:59.880 in many cases that are being pushed and almost forced upon people with the seemingly coming 1.00

00:16:05.500 COVID passport and everything else.

00:16:07.360 Give me a take on that, if you would.

00:16:08.540 Well, obviously, there's serious concerns, not only with the very essence of some of

00:16:13.740 these experimental vaccines, and they're still, by the way, as you know, in the experimental

00:16:17.360 phase, but also with their use of aborted fetal cells and tissue in their development and,

00:16:24.060 in some cases, in their implementation.

00:16:25.420 So Pfizer and also Moderna used aborted fetal cell lines in their testing phase.

00:16:32.200 They say that they don't have it in the actual deployment phase, but there's other problems

00:16:37.300 in addition to that.

00:16:38.440 And by the way, the fact that it was even used in testing raises a huge moral issue.

00:16:44.160 Johnson & Johnson used it both in their testing phase as well as in the deployment.

00:16:50.060 So every Johnson & Johnson injection that you're going to get is going to have aborted fetal 0.62

00:16:55.400 cell lines.

00:16:56.320 Now, that raises a huge moral question about using babies that were literally aborted to

00:17:04.860 have used for these vaccines.

00:17:08.840 And you know what?

00:17:09.540 I'm really distressed, frankly, about some leaders, Protestant and Catholic, frankly, that

00:17:17.300 have come out and they've essentially said, oh, there's no big deal.

00:17:20.900 This is a remote evil.

00:17:23.940 Well, it's an evil.

00:17:25.020 They admit it's an evil, but they say it's a remote evil.

00:17:28.180 Then they try to downplay the fact that these have aborted fetal cell lines.

00:17:32.280 There is no downplaying this.

00:17:34.260 This used human innocent babies either in the development phase or also in the deployment 0.67

00:17:41.300 phase.

00:17:41.860 That is immoral.

00:17:43.080 And that's not something we can compromise on.

00:17:46.940 Absolutely.

00:17:47.420 It's funny, too, because a lot of people make this, you know, this statement, well, we have

00:17:53.660 to do it because, well, right now, yeah, there might even be health concerns with taking it,

00:17:58.080 but we're not able to continue our jobs or we're not able to travel.

00:18:03.000 We're not able to, you know, we have to have freedom.

00:18:05.880 And so in order to do that, we have to take it.

00:18:08.120 And it's funny, you know, my wife said to me the other day, she said, isn't that the

00:18:12.660 same excuse that the women who are contemplating abortion talk about? 1.00

00:18:16.740 Well, we need to.

00:18:18.080 We're not going to be able to continue our lives.

00:18:19.820 I'll have to end my job or my school or what's going to happen with the rest of my

00:18:22.660 life.

00:18:22.860 So I have to have this pregnancy termination.

00:18:27.480 And yet here we are, Christians, pro-lifers, Catholics, all of us heading down this same

00:18:33.860 road of, oh, are we going to take this now?

00:18:36.880 And that's one of the points that Bishop Athanasius Schneider has made.

00:18:40.880 This acceptance sort of taints the whole church.

00:18:45.600 It really does.

00:18:47.080 I mean, we cannot accept this.

00:18:48.500 This is unacceptable.

00:18:49.500 It is immoral and we cannot accept this as the new normal.

00:18:54.520 We are very much pushing back against these mandatory vaccine passports. 0.61

00:18:58.700 First of all, all of the COVID injections, the shots, they're all approved only under an

00:19:05.640 emergency use authorization.

00:19:07.920 They're not federally licensed by the FDA.

00:19:10.800 They're under the EUA, which means they haven't had enough time to test and they don't know what

00:19:15.640 the even midterm effects, let alone the long-term effects of any of these drugs are.

00:19:21.880 That also means that under the federal law, you cannot force or coerce anyone to get any

00:19:28.340 of these injections.

00:19:28.900 That includes private employers and government across the board.

00:19:32.300 So that is a serious issue to force this.

00:19:35.860 The other thing is that, you know, what we cannot do is sacrifice freedom for some supposed

00:19:46.300 safety and security.

00:19:47.960 It's never worked out well in the past for any generation or any society.

00:19:53.980 These vaccine passports and the tracking and tracing apps are more about collecting data

00:20:00.960 and controlling than they are about dealing with any kind of disease or virus.

00:20:06.160 They were in the works long before COVID.

00:20:08.980 They're going to continue after COVID and we cannot accept this as the new normal.

00:20:14.220 We cannot depend upon some QR code on our smartphone or a tracking and tracing app for the freedom

00:20:21.720 to be able to leave our house, to work, to dine, to shop, or to travel, or most particularly

00:20:29.220 to worship.

00:20:30.240 And yet that's exactly where it's going.

00:20:32.240 And I hope people wake up to see the seriousness of what we're facing.

00:20:36.660 Absolutely.

00:20:37.580 One of the questions, especially from a legal perspective, is this.

00:20:41.500 So these, by those willing to admit the truth, are not approved vaccines.

00:20:48.220 They are experimental.

00:20:49.360 So what then happens with people who do get something from the vaccine?

00:20:55.020 Are they allowed to sue the vaccine maker or will their insurance company cover them

00:21:01.800 for the injuries they receive from the vaccine?

00:21:04.580 That's a great question.

00:21:06.080 You know, back in 1980, under Ronald Reagan, he signed a federal law because the vaccine

00:21:11.960 makers were saying, we're not going to make any vaccines unless you give us absolute immunity.

00:21:15.680 So Congress did, and he signed that into law.

00:21:18.060 So since the 1980s, these pharmaceutical companies have had absolute immunity from any kind of

00:21:25.200 injury caused by vaccines.

00:21:26.740 Now, if they make other drugs outside of vaccines, you can sue them for personal injury.

00:21:31.720 And many of those cases have been huge damage awards, but not for vaccines.

00:21:37.080 Some of these entities that are giving the vaccine under the EUA, they're supposed to give informed

00:21:44.460 consent.

00:21:45.720 And whether they're giving this kind of information is undetermined across the country.

00:21:50.780 But certainly your employers, people that otherwise are trying to force you to have the vaccine,

00:21:56.800 those would be liable individually for injuries.

00:22:00.780 Because if they say, as a quid pro quo, in order to continue your employment, you have to be vaccinated.

00:22:05.900 And by the way, that's happening all over the country.

00:22:08.040 And we're pushing back against these employers.

00:22:09.720 We pushed back against, for example, LSU School of Dentistry, because they were forcing it on their

00:22:14.920 students, their faculty, and their staff.

00:22:17.160 And they ultimately reversed themselves.

00:22:19.060 But those kinds of entities wouldn't be personally liable because they're forcing someone to get

00:22:25.720 a drug that actually is prohibited from being forced by the federal law, which drug we know

00:22:33.260 has caused adverse reactions, including death.

00:22:37.340 Wow.

00:22:38.960 I think that that has to be key in all of this, that the companies need to know that even though

00:22:45.860 the vaccine manufacturers themselves are not liable, when the companies force their employees

00:22:52.100 to get them with threats of not being able to continue employment, they themselves will

00:22:56.060 be held liable.

00:22:56.840 And they're on the hook for it.

00:22:57.900 I think that'll change a lot of minds.

00:23:00.280 Yeah.

00:23:00.420 No, I think they must know that.

00:23:02.740 In fact, the EEOC has actually come out with some guidance on this issue, that you cannot

00:23:07.580 use this as a quid pro quo.

00:23:09.780 You cannot segregate individuals.

00:23:12.020 Even OSHA has come out and they've said, you know, you can't segregate people because

00:23:17.760 vaccinated versus unvaccinated, because there's no evidence that the vaccinated are not going

00:23:23.200 to transmit COVID.

00:23:25.040 So we don't even know that.

00:23:26.780 Why don't we know that?

00:23:27.660 Because it's too early to know that.

00:23:29.360 Most vaccines take 10 years to develop, five years of which is dedicated towards testing.

00:23:36.180 Now, these vaccines from development until the actual deployment was less than a year.

00:23:41.320 There is no way that anybody knows some of the adverse effects of these particular injections.

00:23:47.800 We know some of them already.

00:23:49.960 Some of them are very significant.

00:23:52.620 And some include death.

00:23:54.400 And I actually had a friend who did not want to have the injection, but was pressured, pressured,

00:24:01.360 pressured, and ultimately decided to get the two-shot injection, whether it was Pfizer

00:24:06.860 or Moderna, and 10 days after that last shot, this was a worldwide expert, ultimately succumbed

00:24:13.500 to death, with no explanation other than what just happened 10 days earlier.

00:24:19.220 This person was otherwise healthy.

00:24:21.240 And we're seeing those kinds of things happening worldwide.

00:24:24.180 Very helpful in clearing up so much of this.

00:24:26.180 God bless you and all your great work.

00:24:27.660 Thank you.

00:24:28.000 God bless.

00:24:28.320 God bless.

00:24:30.320 God bless.

00:24:31.320 God bless.

00:24:32.320 God bless.

The John-Henry Westen Show - April 23, 2021

'It's evil'： Why we can't accept vaccine passports

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