'It's evil'： Why we can't accept vaccine passports
Summary
In this episode, we speak with Matt Staver, founder of Liberty Council, about the dangers of stacking the Supreme Court, trafficking in aborted baby body parts, and more. We will be speaking with him about the so-called "Vaccine Revolution" and how to fight it.
Transcript
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If the COVID injections are, as we know, just experimental and vaccine manufacturers are
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immune from liability for them, what happens when you get sick or permanently injured or
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There are many confusing questions today, and to help us answer them, we have a very
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well-known lawyer and pro-life activist with us, Matt Staver, the founder of Liberty Council.
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We will be speaking with him about the so-called vaccines, about stacking the Supreme Court,
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about trafficking in aborted baby body parts, and more.
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Let's begin, as we always do, with the sign of the cross.
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In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.
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We are very pleased to speak with you, Matt, because I know Liberty Council is doing so
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There's some confusing things going on, and one of them is this whole notion of stacking
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If you could tell us, A, what exactly that means and how they're going about it and the
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Well, stacking the Supreme Court or court stacking, as it's been known since 1937, when FDR tried
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to do it, he failed in expanding the Supreme Court from nine justices, and that was bipartisan
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But unfortunately, what he did was he intimidated the then-sitting justices enough that they began
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ruling in favor of his big government policies that he ultimately tried to stack the court
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Stacking the court or court stacking is expanding the court from nine justices to many, many
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And that's what President Biden and other people within the administration are actually
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promoting, is stacking the court because they want to be able to have the opportunity to
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appoint all of these new justices, five, seven, however many more they want to add.
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And that would clearly change the balance of power in the Supreme Court forever in our lifetime.
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It would mean that every policy that Biden and some of the other Democrats are pushing
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with regards to abortion, LGBT, destroying religious freedom, and much, much more would
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literally get a rubber stamp at the high court.
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So it's a very dangerous process, and it is very dangerous to our Republican form of government
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This would become the dominant and, frankly, the only branch of government that would matter.
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Now, with this, how are they going about this right now, and what's the likelihood of their
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Well, they're moving now through the House and through the Senate legislation, and they're
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And clearly what they want to do is move this through the system.
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And what they need to do is just simply get a vote of the majority in the House and the
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But frankly, I think that there is some opposition that they're going to face, even perhaps from
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some Democrats in the Senate, like Joe Manchin and some others.
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So it's going to be a very tough battle, but we can't take it for granted.
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If you look at Venezuela, the Venezuelan dictator there stacked the court.
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Since he stacked the court and then put all these pro-government, pro-socialist type of judges and
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justices in office, there have been 47,000 rulings, and every one of them have ruled in
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That's the problem, and that's the threat to our freedom that we face.
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Okay, so what can Americans do right now to fight this?
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What is Liberty Council doing, and how can we support it?
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Well, our battle is really going to be focusing on the United States Senate.
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The majority of Democrats in the House is a very slim number.
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That number just shrunk even more with the most recent addition of a Republican member of Congress.
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But they have enough if they ultimately just move in lockstep, and that's what they have been doing.
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On the Senate side, it's a 50-50 split with a single vote to break that tie from the vice president.
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So all we need on the Senate side is one or two Democrats to say, no, this is a dangerous threat
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to freedom, and the reason it is is because this can be like a ping-pong back and forth.
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Then the Republicans get control of the House and Senate, and they add five or seven more justices,
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And this is exactly what happened to the Democrats when they removed the filibuster
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Well, when President Donald Trump became president, he was able to nominate and have confirmed
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a record number of constitutionalist justice, including three justices to the United States Supreme Court
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So they know that whatever is good for the goose can be good for the gander, and the problem is
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it really upsets the balance of power and the divided government that our founders clearly
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envisioned and need to have moving forward to maintain our liberty.
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Now, Liberty Council is involved in many, many things, and something just came across my desk
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from you guys the other day, which I felt truly horrific.
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It was about forcing the taxpayer funding of trafficking in aborted baby body parts.
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Trump issued an executive order that banned that.
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And of course, we have the Hyde Amendment that goes back all the way to Henry Hyde, very
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solid pro-life member of Congress, and goes back to the Reagan administration.
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And that prevents or did prevent federal funding of abortion.
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However, the Democratic-controlled House and Senate most recently set aside the Hyde Amendment,
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which means the floodgates are open for federal dollars to fund abortion.
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And also what they did is they have reversed President Donald Trump's executive order with
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regards to having federal funds go to this research involving aborted babies.
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These are aborted babies that have been used, and their cell lines are still being used in research.
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And we know, for example, representing Sandra Merritt against Planned Parenthood, that Planned
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Parenthood and abortion clinics have profited off of harvesting baby body parts.
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Some of these body parts, lungs, liver, kidneys, brains, and other parts of the body were harvested
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while the babies were still alive without any anesthesia.
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They were removed, whisked off to an organization that then sold them to university research facilities
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for thousands and thousands of dollars, up to $17,000 for these federal-funded back then
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tissues, parts of human babies that were literally extracted, some of which while the babies were
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That came to an end under President Donald Trump.
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But the floodgates have now been opened again under Biden and Harris.
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This is the most reprehensible thing you can imagine.
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This is akin to Nazi Germany experimenting on individuals.
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And then now it is forcing Americans to participate in human genocide and the slaughter and harvesting
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This sounds so unbelievable because who can believe it's the numbers of abortions are staggering
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We're killing a million American children a year, every year.
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But this extra macabre, it's, it's almost hard to believe.
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In fact, at LifeSite, we had a aborted baby part price list many years ago, but before the
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great work that your client, Sandra Merritt and her partner, David Daleiden did, there
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And yet they gave just a proof that, and of course it tried to be hid by the powers that
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be, but it was proof positive, showing you the interactions, showing you the body parts.
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It was, it was, it's probably the best undercover investigation ever done in America, period.
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That's why then Attorney General Xavier Becerra, and before him, Kamala Harris came after David
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Daleiden and Sandra Merritt to shut them up because they didn't want the world to know
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what Planned Parenthood and these abortion clinics were doing.
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And LifeSite, you've done an amazing job at documenting this information.
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We now have indisputable proof from these individuals themselves where they describe how
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they are making these abortion procedures different, pulling babies out by their feet
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while they're alive, crushing above, crushing below the thorax so they can then make and remove
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intact hearts, livers, lungs, kidneys, and even the brains and many other products that
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These organ procurement companies had dropdown screens where you could literally order certain
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baby body parts from this dropdown screen, and it would then give you a priceless, just
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like you're ordering shoe sizes and colors and styles.
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And yet this is now the new face of the White House and the Department of Human Health and
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They are forcing this, pushing this on America.
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They are opening the floodgates again for these human experiments and these Nazi-esque kind
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And they're now forcing every American to become complicit by funding this bloodshed.
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And what I find truly fascinating is that the cancel culture that we're all seeing now and has
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been talked about for a long time recently, actually started before this with the very people who
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Explain, if you would, their connection to your client and their connection in this cancel
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culture from back in your day when this began with your clients.
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Well, Kamala Harris was the attorney general of California at the time that this began.
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And she's the one who authorized the unconstitutional raid against David Delighton's home to confiscate
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the remaining computers and information that he's had regarding Planned Parenthood and their
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harvesting of the abortion clinics of these human baby body parts.
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She then moved into the Senate and she was replaced by another pro-abortion, pro-Planned
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In fact, we have a picture of him in a press conference where he has a sign behind him that says,
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Both of them were supported by Planned Parenthood with contributions for their campaigns.
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And that's when Becerra then filed these 16 criminal charges, never been done before,
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In fact, it was so outrageous that even the Los Angeles Times editorial board blasted Becerra
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because they realized, although they don't agree with the pro-life perspective of David
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and Sandra, they understand the implications to freedom of speech for journalists.
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And by the way, at the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, we now have amicus briefs from multiple
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attorneys general in our favor where we are there in this case where Planned Parenthood brought
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And even the animal rights organizations have filed briefs in our favor, not because we're
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on the same page on the specific issue, but because they understand the threat to freedom
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of speech, particularly for undercover journalism.
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And the incredible thing is this undercover journalism, which exposed beyond any shadow
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of a doubt, the truth, the gruesome, horrific truth of what's happening in America and, and
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which was illegal and now is being not only accepted, but they not only didn't prosecute
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Planned Parenthood, they went after the journalists themselves in an absolutely unbelievable way.
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And yet, instead of America being shocked at that, they've become the new face of the
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You have Harris now who began all of this as in the VP position.
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And now you have Xavier Brissera, who's the head of the, the secretary of the Department
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Health and Human Services oversees issues like this with regards to abortion funding, different
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kinds of conscience clause that ultimately came into existence with HHS protecting the
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rights of conscience of people who wanted to opt out pharmacists, doctors, health care
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providers, nurses from participating in abortion or from giving abortion inducing drugs and devices
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or even contraception for those that have religious beliefs to the contrary.
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They were protected under President Donald Trump.
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Now that is being threatened and they are now being forced to violate their conscience.
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So it is the most radical kind of leadership in Washington that we've ever seen in America.
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You know, President, former President Obama was very, very radical on his pro-abortion agenda.
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But this administration has even exceeded Obama's radicalism.
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There are many Americans right now who will be watching this thinking, oh my goodness, what
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Well, obviously we need to always pray and never, ever, ever, ever, ever give up.
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You know, when we look at stories, for example, from the Old Testament, it was impossible for the
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Exodus to happen, but it did because God ultimately ordained it.
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It was impossible for the Jews to survive in Persia when they had that irrevocable decree
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But we now celebrate the story of Esther and we celebrate, the Jewish people celebrate around
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the world the Feast of Purim to celebrate that victorious occasion.
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It was impossible for the three Hebrews to walk through the fiery furnace or for Daniel to
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So even in the face of impossible odds, we need to continue to pray, be faithful, and
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The tactic of the adversary, Satan, is to discourage you, to wear you down mentally so that you literally
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And we must always understand that God is in control and that he will not be mocked.
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But what he wants is a church to stand up, to be the light, and to share this light of the
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good news of the gospel all over this world, and to stand especially for truth and especially
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Matt, one of the other questions that I wanted to ask you about is obviously very controversial
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And that is about the abortion-tainted nature of the vaccines that are being rolled out
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in many cases that are being pushed and almost forced upon people with the seemingly coming
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Well, obviously, there's serious concerns, not only with the very essence of some of
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these experimental vaccines, and they're still, by the way, as you know, in the experimental
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phase, but also with their use of aborted fetal cells and tissue in their development and,
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So Pfizer and also Moderna used aborted fetal cell lines in their testing phase.
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They say that they don't have it in the actual deployment phase, but there's other problems
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And by the way, the fact that it was even used in testing raises a huge moral issue.
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Johnson & Johnson used it both in their testing phase as well as in the deployment.
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So every Johnson & Johnson injection that you're going to get is going to have aborted fetal
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Now, that raises a huge moral question about using babies that were literally aborted to
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I'm really distressed, frankly, about some leaders, Protestant and Catholic, frankly, that
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have come out and they've essentially said, oh, there's no big deal.
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They admit it's an evil, but they say it's a remote evil.
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Then they try to downplay the fact that these have aborted fetal cell lines.
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This used human innocent babies either in the development phase or also in the deployment
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It's funny, too, because a lot of people make this, you know, this statement, well, we have
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to do it because, well, right now, yeah, there might even be health concerns with taking it,
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but we're not able to continue our jobs or we're not able to travel.
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We're not able to, you know, we have to have freedom.
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And so in order to do that, we have to take it.
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And it's funny, you know, my wife said to me the other day, she said, isn't that the
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same excuse that the women who are contemplating abortion talk about?
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We're not going to be able to continue our lives.
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I'll have to end my job or my school or what's going to happen with the rest of my
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And yet here we are, Christians, pro-lifers, Catholics, all of us heading down this same
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And that's one of the points that Bishop Athanasius Schneider has made.
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This acceptance sort of taints the whole church.
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It is immoral and we cannot accept this as the new normal.
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We are very much pushing back against these mandatory vaccine passports.
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First of all, all of the COVID injections, the shots, they're all approved only under an
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They're under the EUA, which means they haven't had enough time to test and they don't know what
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the even midterm effects, let alone the long-term effects of any of these drugs are.
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That also means that under the federal law, you cannot force or coerce anyone to get any
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That includes private employers and government across the board.
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The other thing is that, you know, what we cannot do is sacrifice freedom for some supposed
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It's never worked out well in the past for any generation or any society.
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These vaccine passports and the tracking and tracing apps are more about collecting data
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and controlling than they are about dealing with any kind of disease or virus.
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They're going to continue after COVID and we cannot accept this as the new normal.
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We cannot depend upon some QR code on our smartphone or a tracking and tracing app for the freedom
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to be able to leave our house, to work, to dine, to shop, or to travel, or most particularly
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And I hope people wake up to see the seriousness of what we're facing.
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One of the questions, especially from a legal perspective, is this.
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So these, by those willing to admit the truth, are not approved vaccines.
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So what then happens with people who do get something from the vaccine?
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Are they allowed to sue the vaccine maker or will their insurance company cover them
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for the injuries they receive from the vaccine?
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You know, back in 1980, under Ronald Reagan, he signed a federal law because the vaccine
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makers were saying, we're not going to make any vaccines unless you give us absolute immunity.
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So since the 1980s, these pharmaceutical companies have had absolute immunity from any kind of
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Now, if they make other drugs outside of vaccines, you can sue them for personal injury.
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And many of those cases have been huge damage awards, but not for vaccines.
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Some of these entities that are giving the vaccine under the EUA, they're supposed to give informed
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And whether they're giving this kind of information is undetermined across the country.
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But certainly your employers, people that otherwise are trying to force you to have the vaccine,
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those would be liable individually for injuries.
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Because if they say, as a quid pro quo, in order to continue your employment, you have to be vaccinated.
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And by the way, that's happening all over the country.
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And we're pushing back against these employers.
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We pushed back against, for example, LSU School of Dentistry, because they were forcing it on their
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But those kinds of entities wouldn't be personally liable because they're forcing someone to get
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a drug that actually is prohibited from being forced by the federal law, which drug we know
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I think that that has to be key in all of this, that the companies need to know that even though
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the vaccine manufacturers themselves are not liable, when the companies force their employees
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to get them with threats of not being able to continue employment, they themselves will
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In fact, the EEOC has actually come out with some guidance on this issue, that you cannot
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Even OSHA has come out and they've said, you know, you can't segregate people because
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vaccinated versus unvaccinated, because there's no evidence that the vaccinated are not going
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Most vaccines take 10 years to develop, five years of which is dedicated towards testing.
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Now, these vaccines from development until the actual deployment was less than a year.
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There is no way that anybody knows some of the adverse effects of these particular injections.
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And I actually had a friend who did not want to have the injection, but was pressured, pressured,
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pressured, and ultimately decided to get the two-shot injection, whether it was Pfizer
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or Moderna, and 10 days after that last shot, this was a worldwide expert, ultimately succumbed
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to death, with no explanation other than what just happened 10 days earlier.
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And we're seeing those kinds of things happening worldwide.