The John-Henry Westen Show - March 13, 2026


Jesus WARNED of the END TIMES Like the Times of Noah： 'We Are There


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In this episode of the John Hinder Weston Show, John talks with Michael Hitchborn from the Lepanto Institute about the time before the flood and the comparison between the times we are living in compared to the times before it.

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00:00:00.760 Our authority does not rest in what we do, but how we act as representatives of the one who sent us.
00:00:12.420 Hello, my friends. Welcome to the John Hinder Weston Show.
00:00:14.860 I have got for you a guest that I'm sure you all know and love, Michael Hichborn from the Lepanto Institute.
00:00:19.920 We're going to be talking about the times we're living in compared to the times before the flood.
00:00:26.900 A lot of people might feel today like we're headed toward cataclysm like never before.
00:00:31.240 Well, there was a time before when our Lord was so fed up with the world in his state
00:00:35.260 that he almost regretted making mankind and sent the flood, sparing Noah and his family.
00:00:41.100 You could also compare it to times like Sodom and Gomorrah.
00:00:45.100 I remember the great joke of Billy Graham's wife.
00:00:48.680 If God doesn't do something soon, he's going to have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah.
00:00:52.880 Well, we certainly seem to be there.
00:00:54.740 Welcome, Michael Hitchborn.
00:00:55.740 Thanks, John Henry.
00:00:56.900 it's a pleasure to be here let's begin as we always do with the sign of the cross in the name
00:01:00.600 of the father and of the son and of the holy ghost amen now much to my surprise uh you are
00:01:07.540 an expert on uh the time before the flood that's quite the expertise to have how did you get into
00:01:14.000 that it just kind of developed over time i took a very strong interest in archaeology when i was
00:01:19.140 quite young when i was in high school and as i was looking through a lot of archaeological stuff i
00:01:25.720 I discovered that there was something that archaeologists referred to as U-parts or out-of-place artifacts.
00:01:30.980 As I was looking at these out-of-place artifacts, there were a lot of things that didn't line up.
00:01:35.120 And I started to question the whole theory of evolution.
00:01:37.620 And I was thinking, well, if the theory of evolution doesn't line up with these out-of-place artifacts, then, you know, what gives?
00:01:44.160 So I started looking at the geological record.
00:01:46.460 I started looking at what causes the geological record, you know, how fossils are formed.
00:01:50.800 And I was looking into the possibility, you know, the discovery of dinosaur foot tracks with human foot tracks.
00:01:56.780 And I thought, hmm, that's interesting. It seems that humans and dinosaurs may have coexisted.
00:02:00.600 And I just started really diving into the topic.
00:02:04.560 And then I started studying Plato and the theories of Atlantis or actually the legends of Atlantis all through antiquity and and what is Atlantis.
00:02:13.240 And then as I was reading scripture in relation to all of this, what I found is that our Lord references the flood of Noah in regards to the end times.
00:02:25.880 And he said specifically, as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be when the Son of Man returns.
00:02:30.980 And I thought, well, that's an interesting turn of phrase.
00:02:32.840 What does that mean?
00:02:34.940 What does it mean as in the days of Noah?
00:02:37.780 What were those days like?
00:02:39.220 So I started asking the question.
00:02:40.940 And it just kind of ballooned from there as I continued to research.
00:02:45.820 Let's go backwards.
00:02:47.000 Let's start with as it was before the days of Noah and go back.
00:02:51.260 And I'm sure everybody's going to want us to get to Atlantis.
00:02:53.560 So, all right.
00:02:54.800 So tell us about what our Lord meant or what you think our Lord meant when he said, as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be when the Son of Man comes.
00:03:04.100 And what's your impression of where we are right now?
00:03:06.620 So there are a couple of ways to look at this.
00:03:08.400 first, what he says, Matthew 24, also shall the coming of the son of man be. For as in the days
00:03:15.640 of Noah, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, even till the day in which 0.77
00:03:21.440 Noah entered the ark. In Luke, he mentions this same exact allusion to Noah, but then he adds,
00:03:29.020 likewise, as it came to pass in the days of Lot, they did eat and drink and they bought and sold
00:03:35.380 and they planted and built. And in the day that Lot went out of Sodom, it rained fire and brimstone 0.75
00:03:41.900 from heaven and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of Man 0.65
00:03:47.360 shall be revealed. So I start thinking, you know, well, here's this reference as it was in these
00:03:54.580 days. What were those days like? And what we find there, there are several references primarily in
00:04:01.680 the book of Enoch. And then you've got, which is an apocryphal book, just to be clear, it's not
00:04:06.420 something that is thought to be as protected and inspired scripture. However, some of the church
00:04:12.860 fathers said, you know, I really think there was something to this. And the book of Jude actually
00:04:17.380 makes reference to the book of Enoch. There is some element to this that we can take to be at
00:04:25.460 least an allusion to actual history. And the book of Enoch says that the reason that God sent the
00:04:30.900 flood is because man had made marriage songs for other men and even for beasts. So there's this
00:04:38.920 reference to homosexuality plus the reference to the days of Lot, which also seems to be an
00:04:46.140 allusion to homosexuality. So it seems that same sex marriage may very well be a reference to
00:04:53.100 the reason why God sent the flood. Here's an interesting little tidbit. Most people don't
00:04:59.240 know this, but the very last Western ruler to participate in a same sex marriage was Nero.
00:05:07.840 And Nero is often believed to be an archetype for the man of sin to be the Antichrist. Nero
00:05:15.860 was the last Western ruler to participate in a same sex marriage all the way up until Barack Obama.
00:05:23.820 He was the first Western ruler from the time of Nero to participate in the same sex marriage.
00:05:30.440 Wait, he officiated at a same sex marriage, did he not?
00:05:33.680 Yes.
00:05:34.020 It seems that same sex marriage plays an integral role in the time of Noah.
00:05:38.200 But there's something else that that got me thinking, because as I was looking through just the timeline of human history and a lot of these out of place artifacts and the thought that, you know,
00:05:51.120 we're told by Ecclesiasticus that there's nothing new under the sun. And if there's nothing new
00:05:58.840 under the sun, then can we really look around and see these devices that we have, these
00:06:03.700 magnificent machines that we have that do incredible things? It seems to me to be arrogant
00:06:08.880 for us to say, this is the first time we've ever flown to the moon, or this is the first time we've
00:06:12.780 ever flown in the sky or dive to the depths of the ocean. What's fascinating is that when you
00:06:18.600 consider what the world was like prior to the flood, you have this idea that Noah lived for
00:06:26.660 hundreds of years. Adam lived for almost a thousand years. Methuselah lived for almost
00:06:32.080 a thousand years. So you have this timeline, this age where men were living for a very, 0.87
00:06:38.560 very, very long time. Well, if men were living for a long time, you start wondering, well,
00:06:43.760 is that a calendar thing? Or is this, you know, maybe there's some reason why scripture would
00:06:49.920 record it this way, but really only our timeline was just recorded differently. And the same time
00:06:55.820 span existed for both, except that there are certain atmospheric things that are very,
00:07:02.060 very different. If man and dinosaurs coexisted, as is suggested by certain archaeological finds,
00:07:09.460 then you have to take into consideration what environment would have allowed the dinosaurs to
00:07:17.300 exist if you plop down one of the giant dinosaurs the one of the biggest ones like a diplodocus
00:07:22.300 and said okay we're going to plunk it down right in the middle of los angeles the thing would fall
00:07:28.220 to the ground and start to suffocate because the air isn't thin enough you have to have a heavier
00:07:33.440 air, a denser atmosphere to support that massive frame. According to a lot of biological research
00:07:41.160 in hyperbaric chambers, what they've found is that 2.2 atmospheres is ideal for all kinds of
00:07:48.960 things. It accelerates healing. They actually put burn victims into a hyperbaric chamber to
00:07:54.880 increase healing. They found that hyperbaric chambers can reduce or even reverse some of
00:08:02.260 the effects of aging. They have found that in hyperbaric chambers, plants grow to enormous
00:08:08.800 sizes and produce far more fruit than they see in normal output. Insects have a tendency to be
00:08:17.500 able to fly better within a denser atmosphere. Fossils of giant winged cockroaches and giant
00:08:24.680 winged dragonflies and that kind of thing, a dragonfly with almost like a two or three foot
00:08:29.720 wingspan, couldn't possibly fly around in our atmosphere today. What changed? So it seems that
00:08:38.560 there was some atmospheric difference that may have changed. Here's another sign is that a
00:08:45.060 reduction in UV light actually reduces and slows down dramatically the aging process.
00:08:53.200 So if you have these factors in place, now what is a dinosaur? A dinosaur is basically a giant
00:08:58.600 lizard and lizards, reptiles in particular, will grow for as long as they live. They continue to
00:09:07.320 grow. They don't stop growing. And if you look at these dinosaurs, they're massive and we don't
00:09:14.000 have massive creatures like this anywhere. What if these giant reptiles were continuing to grow
00:09:21.540 for the entire duration of their life and the size of their eggs is not comparable to the size
00:09:27.300 of the and girth of these creatures. So it seems that something was prolonging their life.
00:09:32.780 And if something was prolonging the life of the dinosaurs, then that would that same element
00:09:37.820 would apply to humanity, which would then seem to in turn indicate that maybe man really did
00:09:44.280 live for as long as these things would indicate. All right. Here's where I'm going with all of
00:09:49.960 this. This is I had to give you all the background because now we can get to the element. If man was
00:09:55.120 living for hundreds of years. And man did not have a confused tongue. In other words, we didn't
00:10:02.260 have the plurality of of languages that came after the Tower of Babel. Then you have several
00:10:09.020 factors that would now be taken into account. You have rapid population growth, because if man's
00:10:15.680 living for hundreds of years, then one set of parents can then produce a very large family
00:10:22.820 of immediate family, whose first children will have produced great, great, great grandchildren
00:10:30.080 by the time your last children are born. So this population growth model would not just
00:10:37.240 populate the earth very rapidly, but you're retaining information. So everybody is able to,
00:10:44.900 instead of having to retrain and re-educate everybody every 20 years, you're just simply
00:10:49.900 adding to the number of imaginations and intellects that they can then take and innovate and design
00:10:57.740 new and better ways of doing things. And that rapid increase of shared knowledge will eventually
00:11:04.920 lead to a rapid increase in technology. It's just a natural way of things. The way we know that
00:11:10.700 that's the case is that in the 20th century, we have the greatest and steepest increase of
00:11:17.520 technological knowledge in the entire history of humanity. We went from black powder guns
00:11:23.660 to laser weapons within 100 years. We went from horse and buggy to putting a man on the moon
00:11:33.180 in 60 years. We went from kites to jet planes in 40 years. That is a massive steep increase
00:11:44.780 in technological development. So when I started asking the question, what was it like in the days
00:11:50.900 of Noah? I started looking at our own time period. And one of the things that comes out is that as
00:11:57.340 you look back towards antiquity and you have these references to Atlantis, they always talk about
00:12:03.800 this vastly wealthy civilization that had incredible wonders that they were able to do.
00:12:09.780 And you read the myths and the mythology of the Middle Eastern religions, you know, the old Arab stories of the tales of Arabian knights, and they had these incredible machines and these ability to do things.
00:12:22.040 And then you read some of the other texts, like the Mahabharata, that references weapons of huge and mass destruction.
00:12:29.280 Maybe we've been here before. We just have a cultural amnesia that has now made it difficult for us to see what it was in the days of Noah and how close and how dangerous things have become for us today.
00:12:43.780 What did it look like in the days of Noah that actually made God so angry that he was willing to destroy? It was the homosexual marriage, you think? 1.00
00:12:53.340 The same-sex marriage and the bestiality was the tipping point. 1.00
00:12:57.480 What scripture tells us, I mean, you read Genesis and it says,
00:13:01.020 God, seeing that the wickedness of man was great on the earth
00:13:04.000 and that all the thought of their heart was bent on evil at all times,
00:13:07.980 it repented him that he had made man on earth.
00:13:11.100 And that's when he made the decision that he was going to destroy the earth with the flood.
00:13:14.760 What would cause man to be bent on evil at all times?
00:13:19.100 Well, today we have mass communication devices that are able to spread pornography, anger.
00:13:27.600 We've got apps that now tell people how to chase down certain agents and to attack them and to just agitate and to cause problems.
00:13:38.380 And so you can do this on a mass scale and you can agitate people.
00:13:42.580 you can get them angry, you can get them upset, looking down the trail of, well, what is it that
00:13:48.480 pushes people's buttons? And it's very easy to do now. We have buttons that can push people's
00:13:53.880 buttons. I think that the massive communication network that exists in the world is exacerbating
00:14:01.740 the problem. But ultimately, I do think that the rampant homosexuality is at the heart of the 1.00
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00:14:48.560 One of the fascinating portions of scripture that seems to hint at some kind of technology
00:14:54.880 beyond what we could think of as something's weird about it is the Tower of Babel. They say
00:15:01.440 something about it reaching up to heaven. What is that? And does that play any part in what you're
00:15:07.260 talking about, about this advance in technology a long time ago? You bet. No, we have to remember
00:15:11.000 the Tower of Babel came after the flood. So it was basically the first generation of humanity 1.00
00:15:17.080 after the flood. Now, Noah and his children, they were able to see what the civilization was like
00:15:25.060 prior to the flood. And they survived. So their stories would pass down to their children and
00:15:30.300 grandchildren. Now, imagine trying to explain to your children, you lived through the 20th century
00:15:37.960 and tomorrow we bomb ourselves back to the Stone Age and you're trying to tell them what a football
00:15:43.160 game is. You're trying to tell them what television is. You're trying to tell them what airplanes are.
00:15:49.100 And at first, okay, it might make sense, especially if I can draw a picture, but it's like that game
00:15:55.120 of telegraph, where you tell somebody something, and then they tell somebody something, and
00:16:00.500 eventually what started off as a clear picture becomes far less clear down the line. Well,
00:16:05.940 I think that's where myths come from. With the Tower of Babel, there are a lot of different
00:16:10.460 myths that seem to have arisen out of it, but going straight to scripture, what it says,
00:16:17.060 God said, behold, it is one people, and they have one tongue. This is but the beginning of
00:16:23.260 their undertakings and what is to prevent them carrying out all they design. So here again,
00:16:30.140 we have this allusion to a large number of people sharing the same language and advancing
00:16:36.500 in setting to mind doing things based on their own intellect. So God confuses their tongue to
00:16:44.520 stop them. I think they were trying to rebuild the civilization prior to the flood. They were
00:16:49.780 trying to recreate what they had been told the civilization was. And what the tower was
00:16:55.660 is anybody's guess. I mean, maybe it was a tower. Maybe it was a rocket. I don't know.
00:17:01.160 But at the end of the day, it's that desire and that attempt to rebuild what was. And if you look
00:17:09.100 at the various myths of Atlantis, they talk about the civilization of Atlantis. It was this
00:17:13.740 massive technological wonder and it sank into the ocean. But there are all these references
00:17:19.700 to how Atlantis will one day come back. The symbol of Atlantis, by the way, is an eye within a
00:17:26.620 pyramid or an eye within a triangle. It's also a circle with a dot. So that's also very largely
00:17:33.660 used as a reference to Atlantis. You have Manly P. Hall, who was a Freemason, who he was an
00:17:40.760 American Freemason. He wrote this book referencing the secret destiny of America. And in it, he
00:17:47.080 referenced America as the new Atlantis. And he did so in regard to Francis Bacon, who also believed
00:17:55.020 that the Americas would become the new Atlantis. So you have these occult connections who now
00:18:01.140 start looking at America and this rapid growth in technology as being the basis for rebuilding the
00:18:07.920 lost civilization of Atlantis. My theory, if you will, on the world is that it's not so much the
00:18:16.360 world that leads the church but the church that leads the world that the world is actually
00:18:19.880 downstream from the church and that the infidelity in the church is what is actually
00:18:26.160 leading if you will the world to hell i don't know if that squares with you and what do you see 0.51
00:18:33.320 in terms of that dynamic playing out today that's spot on um because the fact of the matter is
00:18:40.460 why was noah the only one left in the world that had any kind of righteousness within him
00:18:45.240 He was one man with three sons and three daughters-in-law and a wife, so eight people.
00:18:52.960 It seems that through Adam or through Noah that all righteousness in the world ended with him. 0.88
00:19:02.220 If that's the case, that speaks to a mass apostasy.
00:19:05.960 In fact, there are also references in Scripture that at that time, they started adopting myths.
00:19:11.480 They started believing myths. And our Lord prophesied that that'll happen again, that man will start preferring a myth to the truth.
00:19:21.080 And what are we doing now? We're looking at UFOs. We're looking at aliens. We're looking at cryptids, you know, these cryptic animals that may or may not exist, goblins and elves.
00:19:32.860 And why? Why? We're inventing a new mythology to try and scientize something that is impossible to prove.
00:19:45.280 And they do so because they are replacing true religion with a made up story.
00:19:52.360 And I think that that was that that's a reflection or we can at least look at our current situation as a reflection of what originally happened prior to the flood.
00:20:01.300 that man was making things up, said, oh, you know, maybe there's no God. I mean, what was it that the
00:20:06.840 serpent said to Eve in the garden? Why would he be able to ask Eve, did God really say? It's because
00:20:12.380 God didn't speak to Eve. God spoke to Adam. Adam was the one who told Eve that, you know, don't eat
00:20:20.600 the fruit and don't do this and don't do that. Eve was simply reporting what Adam said. So the serpent
00:20:25.640 was attacking the authority of Adam by saying, did God really say, did God really say this?
00:20:32.960 Is Adam really telling you the truth? So it's an attack on his authority. And I think that
00:20:38.240 prior to the flood, there was an attack on the authority of the patriarchs. The patriarchs were
00:20:44.040 no longer looked to as the authority for mankind. Man started living for himself, building war
00:20:51.400 machines, going to war, having carnal lusts just filling and flooding his mind and going about
00:20:58.020 and busying himself with whatever he could build to create a universal utopia, heaven on earth.
00:21:04.740 And man had forgotten by the time Noah's flood comes that we're not supposed to be permanent
00:21:11.180 residences here. We are sojourners, so to speak, on the path to salvation. And the whole problem
00:21:19.800 with the world civilization prior to the flood and this idea that man would come together
00:21:25.880 and build the Tower of Babel, you know, God said, behold, it is one people and they have
00:21:34.040 one tongue.
00:21:35.140 That here in this current situation that we have in the world right now, one of the most
00:21:40.400 important fundamental things going on that is taking place is this desire to break the
00:21:46.900 language barrier, to make sure everybody has ready access to be able to communicate with anyone
00:21:51.980 regardless of what language they speak, it's an undoing of the curse of the Tower of Babel. 0.85
00:21:59.160 Ironically, at the same time, the church was struck with the new curse of the Tower of Babel by saying
00:22:06.420 you're going to go from one language, Latin, to every language. And, you know, it's that inversion.
00:22:15.600 So the world now is trying to unify with the ability to rapidly communicate through whatever language you have.
00:22:23.140 And the church is trying to diversify and say, we no longer want one language, we want many.
00:22:27.560 Super interesting. You have followed the church in her hierarchy in betraying the truths of the faith,
00:22:33.560 particularly on life and family issues, on communism, on things like that.
00:22:37.620 How do you square this with it still being the one true church when you've personally
00:22:44.300 seen infidelity among the shepherds, probably like very few people on earth, you've followed
00:22:49.500 down the rabbit holes, found them guilty, found all the receipts.
00:22:54.040 How do you still square this?
00:22:55.440 The church being the bride of Christ, the church being true, because very few people 0.96
00:23:01.660 have actually got the receipts on the infidelity of these shepherds and so many of them today
00:23:09.460 i'm just surprised your faith is like rock solid unshakable uh despite this the evidence that you
00:23:17.120 have that very few people have about the uh unbelievable betrayal of these men in pointy
00:23:23.820 hats who uh are still you know referenced as your eminence your excellency and so on and so forth
00:23:29.160 where does your unshakable faith come from and how do you square this scripture tells us place
00:23:33.640 not your trust in princes and what do we call our prelates they are princes of the church
00:23:41.680 so my faith has nothing to do with the men who are leading the church my faith has everything
00:23:49.340 to do with her doctrines with her sacraments and yes i recognize and accept that we have a hierarchy
00:23:55.300 and I will obey the hierarchy to the extent that its authority extends over me.
00:24:02.500 But what they do and the sins that they commit,
00:24:06.500 it's like St. Augustine said when he was arguing with the Donatists.
00:24:10.340 He pointed out that the Donatists attacked him.
00:24:13.380 They said, you know, look at Augustine.
00:24:15.000 He's done this and this and this. 0.85
00:24:16.680 He's a terrible human being. 0.95
00:24:17.860 And how can we possibly say that he has, that the Catholics have the priesthood 1.00
00:24:22.140 because he's such a horrible person?
00:24:24.220 and Augustine turned to the man speaking and said, you're right. I am a terrible sinner and I've done
00:24:32.480 horrible things. And he said, and so has everyone in this room and so have you. And he said,
00:24:40.180 our authority does not rest in what we do, but in what we, how we act as representatives
00:24:50.000 of the one who sent us. Augustine was stating very clearly in that statement that the authority
00:24:56.740 of the church comes through the office, not the man. Because of that, I will never be scandalized
00:25:02.160 by the men. I will only follow what their authority is as given to them by Christ
00:25:09.140 and the teaching that comes through them in accord with Christ and his teachings. And that's it.
00:25:16.000 Yeah, it's a stunning thing because we have, particularly today, the confusion coming, as it were, from the top. And that's been, I think, that's unique in our day in that even under former pontificates with, you know, problematic times, even under the Arian heresy, there was confusion.
00:25:37.240 but in the end the pope comes through uh we've just had 12 years of a francis pontificate where
00:25:44.500 the pope didn't come through um and the spreading of errors that just can't be but in official
00:25:52.100 church teaching documents the catechism amoris laetitia fiducius supplicans and they go on and
00:25:58.480 on and traditionus custodis let's just add throw in one more that's where it gets all for me
00:26:04.200 ultimately confusing. What do we do? Well, what we do is we turn to the authentic teachings and
00:26:09.460 the traditions of the church. And we say that those things which, I mean, it's easy for us to
00:26:17.240 fall because of the scandals of men. It's easy. When Peter turned to our Lord and said, this will
00:26:25.260 never be, right after our Lord called him Peter, then our Lord also called him Satan. He said,
00:26:32.540 first, you are the rock. And then he said, you are also Satan. He caused an immense scandal right 0.98
00:26:37.920 there in the very beginning of his pontificate when he decided that the Gentiles were going to 0.82
00:26:43.180 have to get circumcised. And St. Paul had to rebuke him to his face. And then they convened
00:26:50.620 a council. And at the council, they debated and discussed the serious scandal that was being
00:26:55.520 caused by Peter. And then Peter said, you know what? You're right. And this is wrong. And I
00:27:01.240 should never have done this. So Peter gave a false teaching. He gave a false decree when he said that
00:27:07.640 the Gentiles should also be circumcised. And it caused it forced Peter or Paul to effectively call 1.00
00:27:16.480 a council to say, look, we need to discuss this, all of us. And then your decision is the one that
00:27:22.960 rests. So I think that the confusion that's being caused and Peter has caused all kinds of problems
00:27:28.980 within the church through those documents that you mentioned, all kinds of problems.
00:27:33.800 What has to happen, and ultimately I think will happen when the time is right, in accordance
00:27:41.020 with our Lord and the Holy Spirit, is that there will be a council that will clarify
00:27:45.340 all of this and will cut through the weeds and say, you know what, here is the truth.
00:27:52.080 And then these elements that came into these documents that crept into them that are not
00:27:56.120 binding on anyone, those we will jettison and we will cut them. But it's going to take that
00:28:03.180 counsel for us to get there. I was just speaking the other day with Professor Ed Mazza, and he
00:28:08.660 writes his latest book about the saints versus the anti-popes. There have been 30 or so anti-popes
00:28:14.280 in history. And he questions this possibility of Francis Leo being anti-popes at the same time.
00:28:22.020 And any thoughts there or how do you feel that's all going to roll out?
00:28:26.900 Obviously, there are problems as far as Pope Leo is concerned.
00:28:32.120 He's he's not really done anything in terms of decrees or statements or documents that that I know of that are problematic.
00:28:40.440 But his appointments are atrocious. That that much is plain to see.
00:28:45.460 So and look, I have questions about Pope Francis.
00:28:50.380 There were a lot of questions regarding Pope Benedict's resignation.
00:28:53.820 There were a lot of questions about Pope Francis's election during the conclave and then after the conclave and certain things.
00:29:00.100 You know, there are all sorts of questions and I'm open to questions.
00:29:03.320 I don't have the answers.
00:29:04.980 So I defer on that one.
00:29:08.500 But when it comes to Leo, as far as I can tell, he hasn't really done much other than make appointments and administrative stuff, which is all fallible.
00:29:19.880 In that regard, I don't I don't have enough information to make any kind of judgment one way or the other.
00:29:25.660 And one clear scriptural reference we have with St. Paul.
00:29:29.560 Even if I or an angel from heaven were to come and give you a different gospel, let him be anathema. 0.55
00:29:34.440 Your final word on that.
00:29:35.600 there's a lot that a lot of men are going to have to answer for.
00:29:40.060 I'm glad I don't have to take that answer.
00:29:42.620 I think you're doing a service for them.
00:29:44.160 Our Lord also said, excuse me, that it would be better for them
00:29:48.360 that a millstone be tied about their necks and they be thrown into the sea
00:29:50.900 than confuse the little ones.
00:29:52.560 As we said already in this show, you know, they are confusing the little ones.
00:29:56.860 You're pointing that out, bringing them to account,
00:29:59.360 bringing them to face their misdeeds, I think is helping them,
00:30:05.000 hopefully save their souls and aiding the church god bless you michael for all your work thanks
00:30:09.580 john henry as fulton sheen said if souls are not saved nothing is saved so let us continue to work
00:30:16.000 for the salvation of souls amen my friend god bless you and god bless all of you and we'll see
00:30:21.120 next time
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