The John-Henry Westen Show - July 22, 2026


Laicized Right Before the Conclave： The Priest Who Accused Leo XIV of Covering Up Abuse


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00:00:00.000 it seems that the papacy is divided. The one who holds the office is against the very nature of
00:00:09.280 that office. I'm going to tell you something really fascinating that happened right before
00:00:18.100 the election of Leo XIV as Pope. Just months before Cardinal Robert Prevost was elected
00:00:27.160 Leo XIV, a highly respected Peruvian canon lawyer, formerly a judicial vicar, a chancellor,
00:00:37.980 and even an exorcist, was laicized without a trial, without a decree, just laicized.
00:00:48.100 Now, interestingly, that canon lawyer had publicly accused Cardinal Prevost of mishandling
00:00:59.360 sexual abuse cases by a priest who was a close friend of Cardinal Prevost.
00:01:10.580 Now, this canon lawyer took on a case that nobody wanted, a case brought by three women
00:01:17.620 who claimed that Cardinal Prevost, now Leo XIV, was guilty of cover-up by this priest
00:01:25.760 friend of his for his sexually abusing them, these three women, as children.
00:01:33.700 The canon lawyer was laicized without a trial or even a decree in December of 2024, right
00:01:41.080 in the lead-up to the conclave.
00:01:42.580 This is a story about Monsignor Ricardo Coronado Arasque.
00:01:51.200 And Monsignor Coronado strongly contests this action, his laicization, was procedurally flawed and retaliatory.
00:02:03.020 Monsignor Coronado is a doctor of canon law.
00:02:07.200 He brings decades of service, credible service, well-recognized, appreciated service, so much so that he was brought from Peru over to Colorado Springs, Colorado, in order to serve there as judicial victor, as chancellor for the Diocese of Colorado Springs, and even act as an exorcist.
00:02:29.940 so the judicial victor for the interdiocesan tribunal in peru that's what he was there as
00:02:39.520 well he was seminary instructor of canon law and the diocesan exorcist also in peru
00:02:46.000 so he served faithfully under several bishops including bishop michael sheridan in colorado
00:02:54.100 Springs. So when the three women that alleged that they were sexually abused as minors by a
00:03:01.700 priest close to then Bishop Prevost in Chicleo, Monsignor Coronado was the only one who took up
00:03:10.280 their case. And in response, he faced public sanctions from the Peruvian bishops, from the
00:03:17.600 conference even, and accusations that he firmly denies, and then laicization.
00:03:25.700 Monsignor Coronado, thank you so much for joining us.
00:03:27.760 Thank you very much for having me.
00:03:29.180 Let's begin, as we always do, with the sign of the cross, if you could please lead us.
00:03:31.860 In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.
00:03:36.440 Amen. Thank you.
00:03:37.540 For those of you, those of our viewers in the United States, especially who don't know of you yet,
00:03:43.200 tell us a little bit about your background.
00:03:44.660 Thank you.
00:03:45.020 So my background mainly has been in the administration of the church and teaching.
00:03:54.220 So this is the two things that I have been doing throughout my life since I was ordained.
00:04:00.220 Then in the 90s, I attended here in Peru, the law school of the Catholic University of Peru.
00:04:11.800 So, and then I was naturally drawn into canon law.
00:04:19.940 So, in 1999, I went to study canon law in Mexico, in the Pontifical University of Mexico.
00:04:28.640 And then I attended also the Pontifical University of Salamanca in Spain.
00:04:34.720 And this is where I earned my doctoral degree.
00:04:38.780 After the completion of my doctoral degree, I came back to Peru.
00:04:42.820 But Bishop Sheridan of Colorado Springs lost his canon lawyer.
00:04:47.940 He didn't have anybody to actually run the tribunal.
00:04:53.660 And he reached to Archbishop Chapua, with whom I had an internship for three summers.
00:05:03.200 So he said that he didn't have anybody in his tribunal to help Bishop Sheridan,
00:05:08.920 but he recommended me.
00:05:10.540 So Bishop Sheridan requested my bishop to release me, which he reluctantly did.
00:05:17.580 So I was here between Colorado Springs and my diocese here in Cajamarca for 17 years.
00:05:27.180 So I will be in Colorado Springs for three months and one month here.
00:05:32.240 and then repeat again the same cycle.
00:05:36.640 Throughout this time, it was a rather very challenging time
00:05:43.320 because I was in charge basically of four different dioceses,
00:05:49.660 and sometimes I will help other dioceses also in the United States.
00:05:55.560 So my work was mainly, well, I will help on the weekends,
00:06:01.000 some parishes, especially those engaged in Hispanic ministry.
00:06:06.880 But most of my time was devoted to canon law.
00:06:10.000 Okay. And you served for many years then as judicial vicar and chancellor
00:06:16.840 in Colorado Springs, Colorado, under Bishop Michael Sheridan.
00:06:21.800 That's true.
00:06:22.780 That's right. And then also as judicial vicar and seminary instructor
00:06:26.500 and even exorcist there in Peru. Is that not the case?
00:06:30.100 Well, I began the exorcist in Colorado Springs.
00:06:34.360 Okay.
00:06:34.740 So, yeah, I did that for at least five years, I would say, yeah.
00:06:43.320 So Bishop Sheridan was the one who encouraged me,
00:06:48.960 and finally he said, you have to do it, and I did, you know.
00:06:55.020 And then I did here too, in Peru.
00:06:58.200 I had several cases in Cajamarca, yeah.
00:07:02.880 Okay, so, I mean, this is a career, I mean, in terms of the church, obviously, but 17 years of work.
00:07:10.840 And Bishop Sheridan was a very well-known, very Orthodox bishop in the United States.
00:07:17.900 He was famous in the United States for his orthodoxy, which some bishops who weren't so
00:07:26.020 orthodox even at the time under Benedict and John Paul. But you have a great record there.
00:07:34.320 And so in the intro, I mentioned something really unbelievable that you are now laicized, which
00:07:44.420 it sounds crazy, but tell us how this even happened. How do you go from a priest who is
00:07:54.540 highly regarded, so highly regarded that you are taken from your own diocese, brought to the United
00:08:02.180 States, employed as a judicial vicar to help there, because of your experience with canon law
00:08:09.480 and everything else, you're even brought closer into the circle where the bishops encouraging you
00:08:14.060 to get into the role as an exorcist even.
00:08:18.120 And then all of a sudden you come to a point of laicization.
00:08:24.000 Tell us about that, because this seems crazy.
00:08:26.120 It is crazy.
00:08:27.140 You know, in a way, I will say,
00:08:30.540 well, I am not of the stature of Archbishop Viganò,
00:08:34.720 but it's analogous to what happened to him.
00:08:39.700 So everything went downhill.
00:08:42.220 when Bishop Golka was appointed in Colorado Springs.
00:08:48.780 And, you know, I am uncovering, discovering a lot of things now.
00:08:53.640 And that happened because then Bishop Prevost, who was the bishop in Chiclayo,
00:08:59.700 was a member of the Dicastery for Bishops.
00:09:05.100 And I think he had something against me because I was an Augustinian.
00:09:10.000 and but however we met only once in my life but it is very coincidental that every single bishop
00:09:19.940 you know newly appointed bishop was against me and especially those here in Peru well
00:09:28.280 Golka was extremely hostile to me and he even declared you know unofficially bishop Sheridan
00:09:36.940 to be a persona non grata in the building, in the diocese of Colorado Springs.
00:09:44.180 So I went to stay with Bishop Sheridan for a few weeks because I had a wedding
00:09:50.820 and then I had, I wanted to visit him and he got very sick.
00:09:56.220 It was his only sickness I knew and his final one.
00:10:01.000 So I drove him to the hospital.
00:10:03.500 I took care of him for a couple of weeks.
00:10:06.940 And then Bishop Golka, our life, lied.
00:10:11.140 And he said, but the diocese took him to the hospital.
00:10:14.720 That's a lie.
00:10:15.720 It didn't happen that way.
00:10:17.340 It was me and another priest who drove him to the hospital because he couldn't, you know, he couldn't manage himself.
00:10:24.900 He couldn't take care of himself in his own house.
00:10:28.500 So I stayed a little bit more, like another week longer with him, trying to help him as much as he could.
00:10:36.940 And then I had to come back to Peru, but then we got a new bishop in Cajamarca who didn't
00:10:46.940 even want to meet with me when I came back from the United States.
00:10:52.940 Another bishop was appointed also, who was a member of the interdiocesan tribunal because
00:10:59.940 because my tribunal here served three dioceses and everybody was reluctant to meet with me
00:11:07.380 and they didn't want to meet actually we never met so my bishop immediately began a canonical
00:11:14.020 process against me for concubinage like i had been living with somebody in a marital
00:11:25.060 relationship that never happened ever so the the only woman i have been with for some for long
00:11:35.040 years now is my mother i live with her she is the only person i live with she lived with me
00:11:42.180 she came back with me to peru and is the only person i have living under the same roof for
00:11:49.420 for years. So what happened? How did they
00:11:53.420 create this? They used Facebook chat
00:11:57.480 that I had with somebody, but
00:12:01.340 they edited everything that was in the Facebook.
00:12:05.060 And, you know, I was, this person was in Lima.
00:12:08.920 I was in United States. This person wanted me to
00:12:12.940 send him some material about catechesis, which I
00:12:16.960 did. And then it was all distorted. So it was somebody who created a case against me just for
00:12:27.020 the sake of getting rid of me. The thing is, the truth is, I was a true conservative.
00:12:35.260 I was too outspoken. I would never silence myself out of false respect to any bishop or anybody.
00:12:44.440 And this is what happened.
00:12:45.740 Another thing occurred when I was here in Lima.
00:12:51.220 Finally, they dismissed me as judicial picker in Colorado Springs.
00:12:58.340 I had to resign in Colorado Springs because, you know, the environment was so hostile with Bishop Ngolka
00:13:06.100 that we signed an agreement that I would resign and he would pay me the years I have.
00:13:13.020 yet pending until the conclusion of my contract.
00:13:17.640 So he honored that.
00:13:19.360 But immediately, you know, after he heard
00:13:22.780 that it was a canonical process open here,
00:13:27.180 he issued open decree in Colorado Springs
00:13:30.800 saying almost using the same language
00:13:34.840 as I was abusing minors.
00:13:37.240 so they have
00:13:39.900 the mindset
00:13:41.860 to destroy my reputation
00:13:44.420 right away
00:13:45.740 if a minor is involved
00:13:48.440 no concluding
00:13:50.100 has ever happened
00:13:51.620 but it was just
00:13:54.260 a Facebook chat
00:13:55.480 that was edited
00:13:56.960 so if you see what it is
00:14:00.300 it's amazing because
00:14:02.000 there is no
00:14:04.100 data
00:14:05.040 I mean, how do you call this electronic data?
00:14:11.180 It's just, well, anyway, the one who interviewed this alleged victim who is 50 years old is Prevost.
00:14:23.220 And he instructed this person how to act against me.
00:14:29.100 Of course, Prevost became the head of the custody for bishops.
00:14:37.820 And then two bishops, especially the bishop of Cajamarca, the bishop of Chota,
00:14:43.740 they were up in arms against me.
00:14:47.720 They didn't want to respond anything to my canon lawyer.
00:14:52.100 And finally, one day I got a letter through the nuncio here in Lima
00:14:57.760 saying that I must ask for voluntary legislation
00:15:02.880 or they will dismiss me.
00:15:05.360 Well, the dismissal never happened.
00:15:07.920 The dismissal never happened because they referred
00:15:13.160 to a decree signed by Bergoglio.
00:15:16.100 That decree has never been offered to anybody,
00:15:19.460 my canon lawyer or me.
00:15:22.340 So the process is incomplete.
00:15:24.540 the canonical process is totally illegal and invalid
00:15:29.800 because there was no chance for me to defend myself.
00:15:34.380 And so, but basically I'm counseled.
00:15:38.160 I think that's a better word
00:15:40.520 because, you know, if I go to a parish,
00:15:43.560 they will not admit me.
00:15:44.580 If I want to defend somebody canonically,
00:15:48.900 they will not accept me.
00:15:51.320 But there is nothing that proves that Bergoglio actually signed the decree of dismissal.
00:15:59.460 I have never been offered that.
00:16:01.780 It does not exist.
00:16:03.280 But all of that happened because I was in Lima, May 8, 2024.
00:16:12.240 a victim of sexual abuse came to me asking me to defend her and other two victims from a priest
00:16:22.460 in Chiclayo who was covered up by Prevost. He covered this. Prevost, just so everybody's
00:16:31.560 following the story here, Prevost is Robert Prevost. Now we know him as Leo XIV. He was
00:16:37.660 the bishop of Chiclayo. That's why that term might seem pretty familiar to you. But please
00:16:43.020 continue, Father. Before he left Chiclayo, these three victims approached him in Chiclayo.
00:16:51.040 And these are sexual abuse victims. Okay. Yeah. As minors. So they approached Prevost in Chiclayo
00:16:59.760 and Prevost told them
00:17:03.000 the church didn't have any way
00:17:07.260 to investigate anything
00:17:09.500 so they had to go to the civil authorities
00:17:13.040 and this is very clever on his part
00:17:16.920 to the civil authorities
00:17:18.800 to present their case
00:17:21.660 so they went to the civil authorities
00:17:24.900 district attorney
00:17:26.640 we call him fiscal here
00:17:29.140 and this authority told them
00:17:32.160 that they had no case
00:17:34.080 because the statute of limitations
00:17:36.160 had expired
00:17:37.480 so
00:17:39.880 Rebos used that
00:17:42.280 that decision to say
00:17:46.000 to Rome that there is no evidence
00:17:48.460 and
00:17:49.940 therefore
00:17:52.220 he cannot go ahead
00:17:53.760 now this is interesting because
00:17:55.240 why would
00:17:57.360 Bishop Prevost do this in the first place? This priest that these women were accusing,
00:18:04.620 did he know Prevost or how did this work? Why would he do that?
00:18:11.660 They were very close friends. Very, very close. You Google both names and you will see a lot
00:18:21.800 pictures of the two of them
00:18:26.220 being together. So he went
00:18:30.280 so he told them that there is nothing that he can do
00:18:34.400 because the only
00:18:38.420 ones who have the power to do that
00:18:42.060 is the civil authorities. But
00:18:46.300 the truth is that the only one
00:18:49.680 who had the power to do the investigation
00:18:52.840 is the church.
00:18:56.000 Not the civil authorities.
00:18:57.920 It's the church.
00:18:59.600 The statute of limitations, canonically,
00:19:02.940 had not expired.
00:19:05.380 So the case was active.
00:19:07.460 He didn't want to.
00:19:09.280 He didn't want to have the case activated.
00:19:12.740 I don't know what.
00:19:14.000 I don't know why.
00:19:14.760 And I think, I think that this priest knows too much, probably, and therefore he had to be protected.
00:19:30.580 Moving forward, the victims came to me.
00:19:36.420 You know, Prevost wanted to say that I look for the victims.
00:19:40.720 That's a lie.
00:19:41.960 I didn't look for the victims.
00:19:43.760 They came to me.
00:19:46.020 Because why they came to me?
00:19:48.060 Because no canonist in Peru was willing to defend them.
00:19:54.480 They knew how powerful the people behind that case were.
00:20:00.060 So nobody wanted me to do that.
00:20:03.820 They came to me because they knew I wouldn't be intimidated, even by Prevost.
00:20:09.260 So what happened after that is I began to defend them.
00:20:14.260 I wrote to the current bishop of Clive, Bishop Farfan,
00:20:18.880 and he used a loophole saying that he's not sure that the signatures in the delegation
00:20:27.440 or missioning me of these victims were authentic.
00:20:34.800 So he said, no, we are not to show you anything.
00:20:37.500 Then I sent another authenticated, notarized document with that,
00:20:47.280 and he said that he did not want to show me anything.
00:20:52.480 In the meantime, Prevost comes to Peru under the pretext of celebrating the 50th anniversary of the Diocese of Chulucanas.
00:21:05.060 He met with, I mean, several bishops, but especially with the nuncio and the head of the Conference of Bishops in Peru.
00:21:18.360 His name is Hector Miguel Cabrejos Vidarte.
00:21:23.280 He was the head of the Conference of Bishops at that time.
00:21:29.300 So what happened is they published a press release
00:21:37.400 eligible to defend anybody if I am involved with any case
00:21:44.580 and I should be dismissed from the case
00:21:48.700 in all Peru. Besides that, I had
00:21:52.700 other four cases against four other bishops for
00:21:56.560 similar accusations. So the bishops were very
00:22:00.660 happy, very happy to do that.
00:22:05.060 So they, which is illegal, the Conference of Bishops doesn't
00:22:08.840 have any power over any
00:22:11.800 individual bishop or priests.
00:22:16.740 Other priests, other bishops have been
00:22:19.700 processed here in Peru, and the conference of bishops have never said
00:22:25.720 anything. But in my case, they did. So you see the persecution
00:22:31.120 grew, and it was bigger and bigger. I have never seen a whole conference
00:22:36.080 of bishops coming against priests. I have never
00:22:40.320 seen that in any place
00:22:42.220 in the world, in any time of
00:22:44.260 history. When Bergoglio was
00:22:46.320 alive, he had
00:22:48.340 a friend of his,
00:22:50.680 Carlos
00:22:51.580 Tardo Franco,
00:22:54.780 another Jesuit
00:22:55.620 here in Lima. He will
00:22:58.300 call him often. He
00:23:00.260 was mainly the one who will appoint
00:23:02.720 bishops, this
00:23:04.400 Jesuit.
00:23:06.300 So this Jesuit calls
00:23:08.500 a friend of mine, 1.00
00:23:10.320 a civil lawyer friend of mine and he tells him that it's better for me just to resign
00:23:18.640 to leave the priesthood because they have gotten high orders to to shield Prevost
00:23:28.320 because they don't want to damage him in any way so to leave the case as it is or else
00:23:38.880 I was threatened because they want to protect crimes.
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00:24:43.580 So, and it's right at that time then, in the lead up to the conclave, which elects Prevost,
00:24:50.220 that you obviously don't resign of your own accord. You don't listen to the threat. You're
00:24:56.500 not bullied, but you are then laicized, which is unbelievable. But tell us about that. Like, 1.00
00:25:04.980 how does that even work? You're laicized without process, without appeal, without anything.
00:25:13.260 You cannot be laicized with no documentation. Where is the decree of dismissal? I don't have
00:25:20.880 that. It does not exist. It's quite interesting in light of what just happened with the Society
00:25:26.600 of St. Pius X. Obviously, they're going off the canonical books. They seem not to care.
00:25:34.140 They excommunicate the bishops, the priests, the religious, even the laity that are formally attached, also outside of a canonical process.
00:25:43.340 It's one thing to say, yeah, they did not obey me.
00:25:47.900 But for them to jump, to say they're in a schism because they didn't obey me, that's crazy.
00:25:56.220 you know to be in a schism
00:25:58.940 you have to say
00:26:00.300 he's the Pope I don't want
00:26:03.060 to obey him I don't want
00:26:04.760 anybody else to obey him 1.00
00:26:06.480 that's a schism 0.81
00:26:08.280 but they are pleading 0.74
00:26:10.280 their obedience to him all the time
00:26:12.880 they have
00:26:14.620 no article of faith
00:26:16.660 Catholic article of faith
00:26:18.520 that they disagree with
00:26:19.880 and finally one thing is
00:26:22.600 fine yeah you disobey
00:26:24.720 this, this disobedience is penalized by education.
00:26:32.280 However, before you declare that penalty
00:26:38.840 in the external forum, you need to follow a process,
00:26:44.360 individual process for each one of them.
00:26:48.080 Where is that process?
00:26:50.000 It does not exist.
00:26:51.420 They came next day and declared something. That's invalid. That's invalid. Even Cardinal
00:27:03.000 Mueller is saying that that's invalid. Today he says that.
00:27:07.620 It's very interesting because, well, there's a bunch of things, but the one I want to hit,
00:27:12.040 first of all, is that you mentioned that you were warned to resign now because
00:27:20.840 Prevost is being shielded from on high. And that's very interesting for another reason.
00:27:29.980 You see, at LifeSite, we were told before the election that Prevost would be elected.
00:27:38.840 Now, I know that's going to sound weird, but you can actually check it out because at LifeSite, we actually published a big, huge dossier on Prevost a week before he was elected.
00:27:51.960 And the reason why was because we were told he would be the one elected.
00:27:56.620 Now, we didn't know for sure he was going, but that's what we were told.
00:28:01.500 So that's also why when he was named, I said very publicly, what a nightmare, because I knew all
00:28:10.280 about Prevost, because we had his whole record. We had his record as the head of the Congregation
00:28:15.500 for Bishops, the one who got rid of Strickland, the one who brought Gregory to Washington,
00:28:21.200 which was a scandal, and got rid of Ray. We knew his background in detail because we were told
00:28:28.680 that he would be the one. Now, it's very interesting to hear you say he was being
00:28:35.040 shielded, and there you are, laicized, almost right before he becomes Pope. So, very, very
00:28:46.080 strange circumstances. But I also wanted to get, particularly because your expertise in canon law
00:28:52.740 and your background in the sort of jurisprudence of the church, what's happening right now is a
00:29:00.800 scandal of faith. Obviously, it's massive what Francis did and what Leo is now continuing to do.
00:29:06.280 But in addition to the corruption of the faith, which doesn't make any sense,
00:29:10.960 changing, flipping on its head, teachings of the church on capital punishment, on abortion relation
00:29:18.320 to immigration, on divorce, remarriage, communion, on many, many issues, homosexuality, another one.
00:29:26.440 But tell us about this judicial corruption inside the church, because they're doing a
00:29:33.900 laicization against you without showing you the decree. They just did a mass and probably
00:29:39.340 the biggest laicization ever in history, and not laicization, excuse me, excommunication in history.
00:29:44.900 um what's what can you tell us about the corruption uh inside the church with regard to church law
00:29:51.460 you have to be blind totally blind not to see that the judicial system of the church
00:29:59.600 has been destroyed okay and why i'm saying that because you know i live here in south america now
00:30:09.020 I am very familiar with Venezuela.
00:30:12.620 Venezuela is a place where the judicial system has been destroyed.
00:30:16.600 It's a data that took over, they changed the law,
00:30:20.520 and a judge is subject to the political power.
00:30:27.380 Exactly the same what's happening right now in Rome.
00:30:32.700 So we have in Argentina, Bishop Sanketa, 0.91
00:30:39.020 You know, Bishop Sanketa is a bishop who abused seminarians, sexually abused seminarians.
00:30:48.140 He was tried by the civil authorities.
00:30:53.220 He was condemned by the civil authority.
00:30:56.220 There is no canonical process open against him.
00:31:01.940 He has been protected by Bergoglio and now by Prevost.
00:31:06.580 he is totally protected
00:31:10.200 there is another bishop
00:31:11.660 also in Argentina
00:31:13.380 he is a Palestinian recollect
00:31:15.600 I think his last name is Dominguez
00:31:18.420 he did the same thing
00:31:22.200 I don't know what he did
00:31:23.880 he fled Argentina
00:31:25.500 in the middle of the night
00:31:26.960 he took his belongings and fled
00:31:29.020 from
00:31:30.700 protected by Prevost
00:31:33.420 because
00:31:35.260 you know they have no interest
00:31:37.320 of punishing anything
00:31:39.100 like that
00:31:40.500 another
00:31:42.980 example is Father Rupnik
00:31:44.540 you know that, you know about him
00:31:47.340 you know he has
00:31:49.260 abused women 0.78
00:31:50.980 nuns in the most 1.00
00:31:53.140 pathetic, horrific 1.00
00:31:54.920 way, even using 0.99
00:31:56.760 secret vessels
00:31:58.720 he's not
00:32:01.380 tried, no
00:32:02.760 he was friends of Bergoglio
00:32:04.660 he will never be tried
00:32:07.220 there is no
00:32:08.260 judicial trial
00:32:12.020 for him whatsoever
00:32:13.060 because he's friends
00:32:15.540 with the system
00:32:16.560 so in Venezuela
00:32:19.420 it's the same
00:32:20.200 you're friends with the system
00:32:22.360 you can do whatever
00:32:23.760 nothing is going to happen to you
00:32:26.300 the church is exactly in the same situation
00:32:29.000 because the judges
00:32:30.580 they don't follow the truth
00:32:32.680 they don't follow the law
00:32:33.920 they follow power
00:32:35.520 so I use
00:32:37.540 the word power
00:32:39.180 because they have
00:32:41.880 no authority
00:32:42.720 you know when you use
00:32:45.120 the sacred office
00:32:47.820 when you use any
00:32:49.640 ecclesiastical office to
00:32:51.620 offend God
00:32:52.960 then you don't have authority
00:32:56.060 all you have is power 1.00
00:32:57.660 so now prebos 1.00
00:32:59.940 and all these bishops here
00:33:01.920 in Peru or place
00:33:03.880 else, they use
00:33:05.540 power. And they do have
00:33:07.740 power. We have to acknowledge that.
00:33:10.540 They don't have authority.
00:33:11.840 You earn authority. 0.87
00:33:14.380 Power can be conquest.
00:33:16.300 Power can be given to you.
00:33:18.260 And this is what they have.
00:33:20.140 All they have is power.
00:33:22.380 So Viganò
00:33:23.640 is another case.
00:33:25.960 Archbishop Viganò, he was told
00:33:27.860 we're going to communicate you.
00:33:29.880 Just come for this fake
00:33:31.560 a trial. He didn't show up.
00:33:34.400 You know for what?
00:33:35.420 You know exactly what's going to happen.
00:33:38.780 So that is
00:33:39.380 communication is also unjust
00:33:41.720 and no,
00:33:43.420 void and no.
00:33:46.600 Like
00:33:47.120 my
00:33:48.860 I don't know who signed.
00:33:51.460 I have nothing concrete
00:33:53.720 about this
00:33:55.120 dismissal for the clerical state.
00:33:57.840 But I have, I don't have
00:33:59.320 any evidence that that has happened.
00:34:01.560 The only thing I have is an attestation from one sub-secretary in the Congregation for Clerity.
00:34:09.960 But that is not illegal.
00:34:13.000 The only one who has the power to dismiss priests from the clerical state is the Pope.
00:34:19.080 I don't have that decree.
00:34:20.780 They don't want to give it to me.
00:34:22.580 I don't know why.
00:34:23.320 The sad thing is that this abusive priest in Chiclayo, his name is Edeo Vazquez.
00:34:31.560 He, they convinced him to request a voluntary dispensation.
00:34:42.320 So, and this is very, very important because you know what a dispensation is.
00:34:49.160 Dispensation is like a blessing.
00:34:51.420 You request something that is against or different, it's against the law.
00:34:58.840 so you can have some freedom for example so i have to take care of a sick person and i i cannot go
00:35:08.740 to the sunday mass so i ask my my pastor to give me a dispensation to miss mass on sunday
00:35:15.480 so i can go another day when the nurse is present in my house and take care of the sick person
00:35:21.320 that's a dispensation so you can live your christian life in extraordinary circumstances
00:35:27.860 with better
00:35:30.080 possibilities. So
00:35:32.040 a priest who says, so okay, I
00:35:34.120 cannot leave my priesthood anymore
00:35:36.020 because I want to get married, because
00:35:37.960 I don't believe what the church
00:35:40.200 teaches anymore. Give
00:35:42.220 me a dispensation. Give me
00:35:43.980 your blessing so I can do something else.
00:35:48.360 So this is
00:35:49.560 dispensation from
00:35:51.840 the obligations
00:35:53.920 of your ordination. 0.97
00:35:56.540 This is what this prison, Chiklayo, asked, and Prevost granted. 0.97
00:36:01.260 It's crazy.
00:36:02.880 So what Prevost wanted is to avoid the trial.
00:36:07.920 Because if the trial was open, we will see how bad he did about this case.
00:36:15.720 So he preferred to give a dispensation.
00:36:18.940 In my case, they wanted to punish me as much as they could.
00:36:23.840 Another thing is, for example, the Diocese of Cajamarca
00:36:27.180 owes me 21 years of wages.
00:36:32.380 They don't want to pay me, and they have come to the judges here in Peru
00:36:37.500 to convince them that priests are not to be given any salary.
00:36:44.720 That's something that is totally crazy.
00:36:46.840 But they have convinced the judges about that.
00:36:50.140 So, same as Archbishop Viganò. No pension, no retirement, not even your own wages. We are going to take away everything that we can.
00:37:08.740 So I cannot work in any Catholic institution.
00:37:11.860 I cannot work in any Catholic school.
00:37:14.080 I cannot teach.
00:37:14.800 I cannot do anything.
00:37:17.520 So because I was rebellious against preface.
00:37:22.760 That's the message.
00:37:26.320 What is your final thoughts for the church where we are right now?
00:37:30.180 And do you see a way out of this?
00:37:32.960 Or what are your thoughts?
00:37:34.020 Well, you know, the reality is that the church is in a profound, deep crisis.
00:37:44.060 Because, you know, for me, like Bergoglio telling that every religion is the same.
00:37:52.640 Every religion leads to God.
00:37:55.280 Prevost telling the Anglicans that we are already one.
00:38:00.640 We have the same faith.
00:38:01.840 If we are together with no distinction, all of this is apostasy.
00:38:07.340 So it seems that the papacy is divided.
00:38:13.260 I think, I mean, what the so-called popes now are against the institution of the papacy.
00:38:22.580 The one who holds the office is against the very nature of that office.
00:38:29.440 so we have
00:38:31.160 we have a division in the church
00:38:33.420 but that division comes
00:38:35.380 from the head of the church
00:38:37.580 so you know Prevost
00:38:39.460 and Bergoglio before him are the
00:38:41.460 ones who are dividing the church
00:38:43.280 no one else
00:38:44.740 they are dividing the church
00:38:46.780 they are the source of division
00:38:48.520 so they are telling me that it's
00:38:51.200 sinful
00:38:51.700 this is something
00:38:53.600 so it's sinful
00:38:56.180 for anybody to go
00:38:59.440 any mass celebrated by the Fraternity of St. Pius X. 0.71
00:39:05.080 But it's not if you go to a celebration with the Orthodox.
00:39:12.820 It's not sinful if the so-called Archbishop of Canterbury
00:39:18.020 comes to St. Peter and gives blessings to bishops and priests.
00:39:24.020 But if you go to St. Pius X, then, oh, that's terrible.
00:39:28.420 It's just terrible.
00:39:29.440 Why is that terrible? They don't deny any of the articles that we process or we must process.
00:39:38.320 It seems that sometimes we don't.
00:39:41.700 So, for him, his magisterium is just horizontal.
00:39:50.560 He has replaced theology by anthropology and sociology.
00:39:54.920 that's okay
00:39:56.240 but if you want to
00:39:58.860 believe in the supernatural
00:40:00.380 if you want to believe in the sacraments
00:40:03.100 if you want to hold 0.96
00:40:04.820 the tradition, you are a sinful
00:40:06.980 person, that's crazy 0.96
00:40:09.000 that way
00:40:11.140 of speech cannot
00:40:12.780 be listened by anybody
00:40:14.480 I would recommend anybody
00:40:17.000 who would listen
00:40:18.700 to me, just to continue
00:40:21.100 to go to the masses
00:40:23.020 and celebrations
00:40:24.680 of some Pius X. They are as Catholic as they can be.
00:40:29.060 Prevost is not as Catholic as he can be.
00:40:32.640 He is misleading us. 0.98
00:40:34.720 Your take, since you knew both
00:40:36.800 Cardinal Bergoglio and Cardinal Prevost,
00:40:43.760 and then Francis and Leo, you both knew them in both capacities,
00:40:47.940 prior to, and then as popes.
00:40:51.120 what's what's your estimation of the difference between uh francis and leo the 14th well i think
00:41:00.140 francis was vulgar he will use foul language publicly he is uh however there is one thing
00:41:07.520 he knew classical theology he went to germany he didn't complete his doctoral degree but he was 0.55
00:41:15.880 with all jesuits and these all jesuits cultivate a scholastic theology prebos attended the theological
00:41:29.160 institute of chicago i mean that's a joke you know he has no exposure to classic 0.56
00:41:38.680 You know, I have listened to him when he was bishop of Chiclayo about some of his hominies. 1.00
00:41:54.820 Everything is about the poor.
00:41:56.640 Everything is about fraternity.
00:41:58.880 Everything is about togetherness.
00:42:00.700 There is nothing substantial in his preaching.
00:42:04.420 Now he writes better because somebody else writes for him.
00:42:08.380 But, you know, if you see the content is very weak.
00:42:13.740 His theology is superficial.
00:42:16.320 However, he is more polite.
00:42:19.380 He comes across more educated.
00:42:22.340 That will mislead more people.
00:42:27.100 Because the regular Catholic, I mean, the regular mass goer on Sunday, 0.84
00:42:34.020 doesn't have 0.96
00:42:36.100 deep understanding of the faith
00:42:38.500 cateches in the last
00:42:40.580 40 years have been superficial
00:42:43.060 it's about dynamics
00:42:45.060 it's about the strategies
00:42:46.840 it's about being together
00:42:49.200 it's about music
00:42:51.020 it's about I don't know what kind of
00:42:53.200 things they don't study
00:42:55.100 through theology
00:42:56.780 they don't learn
00:42:58.840 through catechesis
00:43:00.880 it's just all superficial
00:43:03.200 So superficiality, emotions, there is one thing, you know,
00:43:08.720 you can argue against ideas.
00:43:11.620 You can argue against convictions.
00:43:15.660 You cannot argue against emotions.
00:43:19.060 How can you?
00:43:20.300 You know, I feel this way.
00:43:21.860 I feel this other way.
00:43:23.600 So can you say you're wrong feeling that way?
00:43:26.280 No, you cannot say that.
00:43:27.540 So, you know, convictions are the way for us to follow.
00:43:35.340 But emotions is what is leading the church today.
00:43:40.140 If you fulfill the motions of people, they will follow you.
00:43:44.860 Because there is nothing, they have no response to anything that is conceptual,
00:43:52.960 that is notional, that is theologically sound.
00:44:00.160 So that's, for us, it's a very difficult situation to be in
00:44:04.280 because you're fighting against emotions.
00:44:06.320 And then the other component that we have today,
00:44:10.220 and you see how, you know, especially the bishops who are appointed now,
00:44:15.400 they have this little deadly combination, emotions and ignorance. 0.52
00:44:22.960 most bishops 1.00
00:44:24.840 are ignorant and very 1.00
00:44:26.920 emotionally driving 1.00
00:44:28.520 so this is the destruction of the church
00:44:31.320 and this is
00:44:32.460 this is the people that Prevost
00:44:34.620 points you know he
00:44:36.800 avoids intellectuals he avoids
00:44:38.880 academics because they have criteria
00:44:40.920 against
00:44:42.820 that you don't want to do and
00:44:44.500 also he shows that
00:44:46.100 you know he will welcome
00:44:48.460 anybody who goes to
00:44:50.380 flatter him
00:44:51.460 oh he likes fluttering
00:44:54.280 oh my goodness
00:44:55.540 you know he will welcome
00:44:57.520 James Martin
00:45:00.240 he will welcome the Archbishop
00:45:02.000 of Chicago
00:45:04.120 because they are very emotional
00:45:06.280 people
00:45:06.820 he will not welcome Father Pagliari
00:45:09.440 because he is
00:45:11.980 in two minutes
00:45:15.420 Prevost would lose
00:45:17.340 the discussion
00:45:19.400 he doesn't want to be embarrassed
00:45:21.500 he doesn't welcome
00:45:23.300 archbishop, no, he has
00:45:25.600 too much formation, he will
00:45:27.600 avoid that, he would never talk to me
00:45:29.860 you know
00:45:31.820 I'm not at the level
00:45:35.120 there, of course, but I have some
00:45:37.240 I know some catechesis
00:45:39.180 they know theology very well
00:45:41.240 so he doesn't want to be embarrassed
00:45:43.440 by them
00:45:44.280 because he will show
00:45:46.740 his gap
00:45:49.380 immediately. And he does
00:45:51.580 very often. Any thought,
00:45:53.680 Monsignor, as we were about to close now, any thought
00:45:55.480 on how we get out of this situation
00:45:57.760 in the church? We have to resist.
00:45:59.940 We have to resist.
00:46:01.680 And I hope Archbishop, I think
00:46:03.400 Archbishop Bignano is doing something very
00:46:05.420 good, you know, by
00:46:07.220 clarifying all this
00:46:09.080 situation.
00:46:12.980 But we are, so, one thing I
00:46:15.400 beg the
00:46:16.640 Society of St. Pius X, not
00:46:19.360 to pay attention is to the sentience.
00:46:22.300 Please laugh about
00:46:23.320 them. They have no
00:46:25.180 weight, no spiritual weight.
00:46:27.940 I don't
00:46:29.200 pay attention either
00:46:30.780 to, I don't know what
00:46:33.360 because they say they have something in
00:46:35.180 me. I want to see it.
00:46:37.320 They have not shown me that.
00:46:39.220 So I continue
00:46:40.140 with the exercise of my priesthood.
00:46:45.220 So same thing is
00:46:47.080 don't pay attention to any
00:46:49.280 punishment that comes from Rome. That is exercise and a strategy of power. There is no exercise of
00:46:59.160 authority. There is no exercise of supernatural power. They have only secular, worldly power.
00:47:09.160 Monsignor, thank you so much for joining us, for your willingness to speak out despite very real
00:47:16.000 threats that have been carried out, and they continue. But God bless you, and thank you again.
00:47:24.880 Thank you very much for having me. God bless you.
00:47:28.120 And God bless all of you. We'll see you next time, and remember to pray for the Church.
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