The John-Henry Westen Show - Latin Mass RISING： What Comes Next？｜ Kennedy Hall

00:00:00.000 Let's hope for a Pope who will do his best to give tradition its rights.

00:00:07.240 Well, my friends, and welcome to this episode of the John Hunter Weston Show, where I've got for you a guest who I got to know when he worked with us here at LifeSite News.

00:00:16.480 His name is Kennedy Hall. He is a YouTuber who runs a great YouTube channel called Mere Tradition.

00:00:24.680 He is the proud dad of seven children. One is going to be born. I just learned. Congratulations.

00:00:33.620 He goes to the Mass of the Society for St. Pius X, SSPX, as they're commonly called.

00:00:40.040 And some interesting things going on with regard to that, because as some of you may know,

00:00:45.880 Pope Benedict tried really his heart out to try and reconcile the church with the SSPX more formally.

00:00:55.380 It's sort of in a, they call it irregular or something.

00:00:58.100 But with Francis, that became sort of suspended in a way.

00:01:01.820 But there was more freedom given, nonetheless, the SSPX were given confessions and marriages to do without any restriction.

00:01:11.220 And then that never ended. And now comes Pope Leo. And I know that the SSPX is wanting to ordain bishops.

00:01:18.460 So a lot of questions with this new pontificate.

00:01:22.480 What's going on in trad world, at least a part of the trad world known as the SSPX?

00:01:26.920 Kennedy, so good to be with you.

00:01:28.140 Thanks for having me on.

00:01:29.340 Let's begin as you always do with the sign of the cross.

00:01:31.860 In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.

00:01:35.880 Amen.

00:01:36.140 Kennedy, first of all, I wanted to get your reactions to Pope Leo coming out on the balcony.

00:01:41.660 I'm sure you watched it very carefully. Tell us your thoughts.

00:01:45.420 You know, I, like many, had no idea who Cardinal Prevost was.

00:01:51.200 So I didn't have an immediate reaction to him, either good or bad, because I didn't know what to expect.

00:01:56.920 And I must also say that going into the election, going into the conclave, you know, I wrote a book on modernism recently that was published.

00:02:09.320 And, you know, I don't want to sound dour or whatever, but I wasn't expecting like a traditional Catholic Pope to come out no matter what.

00:02:18.120 Obviously, there are certain cardinals who would do a much better job, obviously, at Cardinal Burke or Cardinal Seurat or, you know, Cardinal Mueller.

00:02:26.280 These men are clearly much more orthodox than many of them.

00:02:30.940 Nonetheless, there really is this allegiance, this really strong attachment to Vatican II.

00:02:37.500 And, you know, all of them have a version of, well, we just have to do it better or the new mass is great, but we just have to do it better.

00:02:43.300 So I knew that none of them were going to be a quote unquote traditionalist.

00:02:46.000 So I just thought, I'll wait and see.

00:02:49.040 And I looked into him and I thought, okay, he seems like a nice man. 0.98

00:02:54.420 His, you know, as the kids say today, his vibe or his aura seemed to be like, hey, you don't seem like a jerk, which is a plus. 0.97

00:03:02.280 And I thought, we'll just give him the benefit of the doubt and see what happens. 0.98

00:03:06.240 Indeed.

00:03:06.880 Indeed.

00:03:07.240 I could probably say I wish I knew a little less about him than I heard.

00:03:12.020 I was able with the help of Bishop Strickland to come to a more hopeful stance because, you know, when he was head of the bishops, the congregation or dicastery for bishops, Strickland was the target of his removal.

00:03:29.420 And so if Bishop Strickland could accept him as Holy Father with open arms, so could I.

00:03:34.720 And definitely, I think that was very healing, not only for me, I think for a lot of Catholics.

00:03:39.080 And so we'll see.

00:03:40.920 I mean, everybody is sort of just waiting and seeing.

00:03:43.280 In a way, I'm saddened by that.

00:03:45.120 It's a different thing, I think, for traditionalists than for me, because as you spoke there about, you know, you weren't expecting.

00:03:55.540 It's funny because I think for a lot of the Catholics who came at the faith from sort of the pro-life movement, in a way you could say, but who weren't part of the liturgy battles back in the day when it started.

00:04:07.860 And they loved the reverent mass, but they didn't know much about the TLM like me.

00:04:14.360 JP II was their saint.

00:04:15.820 Ratzinger, then Benedict, was the same old, same old.

00:04:18.660 You expected a pope who was just holy and good and right on all the moral issues.

00:04:24.320 Yeah, your bishop might be screwy, but the pope always had your back.

00:04:28.020 So the Francis thing was just, what was that?

00:04:32.600 In a way, you're hoping for, can we just go back to the Catholic pope?

00:04:37.860 But I guess for people who were more into the liturgy battles, the TLM stuff, this is, as you said, it's something that's gone on for a long time.

00:04:48.920 Tell us about that.

00:04:50.000 The liturgy stuff is definitely part of it, but it's deeper than that.

00:04:53.280 When you read, like when I wrote this recent book, I read so much of the young Ratzinger and young JP II and all the theologians that they were a part of the various groups with and stuff.

00:05:07.980 And it's astonishing to see how much their work kind of moved further towards the, let's call it conservative side of things.

00:05:16.940 Because back in the 50s and 60s, there was a lot of stuff where you would really scratch your head at it.

00:05:22.300 Like the average person who just doesn't spend all their time reading old random journals from online, they would look at it and go, there's no way Ratzinger said this.

00:05:30.700 There's no way, but that's the way it was.

00:05:33.620 And so what you realize is that it was just what's, with men like Cardinal Ratzinger, and I didn't know him, everyone who knew him thought that he was extremely holy man, and I don't doubt that.

00:05:43.100 But he was a product of like the modern philosophical milieu.

00:05:47.660 And so what you find is that although a man like Pope Francis would come to very different conclusions, when you look at the phraseology, you go, there's a lot of similarities in kind of the method they're arguing things.

00:06:01.460 And you see basically this whole atmosphere of modernism is kind of just the official framework for how theology is done in the church today.

00:06:10.640 So I think traditionalists who have been plugged in for a long time, it's not that they don't recognize that, hey, a Benedict was way better than Pope Francis.

00:06:19.880 You know, that's obvious.

00:06:22.420 It's just that there's a deeper problem at the root that's still there.

00:06:27.560 Although I am hopeful it's going to go away.

00:06:29.840 I'm not pessimistic about it.

00:06:32.080 But it's just there nonetheless.

00:06:33.500 So it's more of a realistic thing like, okay, let's hope for a Pope who will do his best to give tradition its rights, so that in this sort of war for the soul of the church, the true Catholic apostolic tradition will have the ability to overtake the counterfeit.

00:06:51.340 That's kind of the way I think traditionalists look at it, or at least I do.

00:06:53.700 Interesting.

00:06:55.380 Yeah.

00:06:55.980 For me, it was like, I remember the days when the encyclicals of John Paul would come out and, you know, we would read them feverishly.

00:07:05.880 Not at all the same as now.

00:07:08.860 Now we read them feverishly still, but to try and find the errors, which we know that are going to be in there.

00:07:13.920 Before, it was read them feverishly to find the gems, to learn the faith, to be able to absorb the truth, to finally we have some clarity on X, Y, Z, or whatever it is around, I know I'm going to be filled with grace by reading this.

00:07:29.580 That all ended.

00:07:30.780 I mean, that was just, you know, with JP2, it was slightly longer and harder.

00:07:35.560 With Benedict, it was more clear and to the point, which I appreciate it, actually.

00:07:39.140 But it was, for me anyway, it was a beauty.

00:07:43.820 And then this happened.

00:07:45.660 Anyway, it was a very different experience.

00:07:49.640 A 12-year-long experience, mind you.

00:07:52.020 So anyway, so there's the initial impressions.

00:07:55.420 I think everybody in the church is kind of waiting.

00:07:57.800 But you've got a very interesting thing.

00:08:00.760 I know that the SSPX is very near and dear to your heart.

00:08:05.180 And on the inside of the SSPX, they're going through some things because, I mean, they had their initial set of bishops and then the ones that were ordained in 88, as it were, and caused the kerfuffle and all of that sort of settled down.

00:08:21.540 But what happens now?

00:08:23.720 Because I know that there is a need to have new bishops in the church in the SSPX.

00:08:29.160 And yet there's this discrepancy with Rome.

00:08:31.920 Are there any hopes that way, thoughts that way?

00:08:36.000 And do you know of anything?

00:08:37.980 So I don't have any insider information.

00:08:41.120 I do obviously support the society.

00:08:43.920 I tend, and I did write a book on my own that I self-published called SSPX, The Defense.

00:08:48.540 But I don't work for the society or anything.

00:08:50.280 I just like to make that clear to people because they think I'm, you know, I've been accused of being part of this or that conspiracy.

00:08:55.420 And I'm like, no, I'm just, you know, as Taylor says, I'm a dad with a webcam.

00:09:00.100 Taylor actually has a really nice camera.

00:09:01.760 I'm actually on a webcam, so he can't say that anymore.

00:09:04.180 But there is a lot of information that is public that most people don't know about because it's either in a different language or it's in just some conference talk or something.

00:09:11.500 The SSPX doesn't, you know, do a ton of like, you know, social media activity and stuff.

00:09:17.800 So, but yes, they will need to consecrate bishops.

00:09:24.980 The SSPX has grown probably, I mean, four or five times the amount of parishioners, maybe more than it had in 1988, probably more, maybe 10 times.

00:09:35.380 There's an estimate that they have around a million faithful.

00:09:38.780 They serve around the world today, many of them in North America and Europe, but many of them in places like Africa and Asia.

00:09:45.200 They have tons of missionaries that are going into different countries in Asia and whatnot all the time.

00:09:50.200 And they have two living bishops left who perform the traditional sacraments that are reserved for bishops.

00:09:58.520 So confirmations and then, of course, priestly ordinations and the consecrations of bishops.

00:10:02.840 So a little background, when Archbishop Lefebvre and Bishop Castro Maier, who was not of the SSPX, but he was of Brazil, but he was another holdout for the traditional faith at that time.

00:10:16.340 When he went forth with the consecrations, there was a long process of basically trying to have everything to be done in the perfectly legal sense above board.

00:10:27.600 And permission was given to the SSPX in principle, although in actuality, there was never an agreement on when they were allowed to go through with it.

00:10:37.380 So there was an accord reached between Lefebvre and Ratzinger.

00:10:39.660 Anyway, so that was what happened then.

00:10:44.880 And Don Pagliarani, who was the current superior general of the society, said, I think in 21 or 22, that, yes, they're obviously thinking about it.

00:10:53.220 And this was before Bishop Tissier, God rest his soul, had passed away.

00:10:56.920 And he said that they would do the same thing.

00:10:59.760 So there's going to be no middle of the night consecration or, you know, secret thing, whatever.

00:11:04.660 It will be something where they will present themselves to the Holy Father and they will say, this is our intention and we would like your blessing to do so.

00:11:12.640 And if you'd like us to blah, blah, blah, do this and that, we will do this.

00:11:15.400 And then the only way they would go through with it without permission is if they've exhausted all the options.

00:11:22.100 And then it becomes clear that for the preservation of the traditional priesthood, there's no other way, the state of necessity, so to speak.

00:11:28.700 And that's the plan.

00:11:29.800 And so since they've gone down to two bishops, there have been various general superiors or district superiors, Italy, Germany, and so forth, who have said, yes, this is something we'll see in the near future.

00:11:43.980 So this probably means next year, probably not this year because it would usually happen in the summer.

00:11:47.880 Although for all I know, they're having conversations right now and have been.

00:11:51.720 So it remains to be seen.

00:11:54.220 Personally, I really think that Pope Leo will want to avoid another 1988 for a couple reasons.

00:12:01.700 Number one, things are very different than they were in 1988.

00:12:06.060 Tradition at the time was like this very niche, seemingly rebellious thing.

00:12:10.340 Now it's like the bee's knees and the biggest, you know, pilgrimage in the church is the traditional Catholics walking in France. 0.54

00:12:16.960 So it's making the mainstream media, for goodness sake.

00:12:19.520 And, you know, our mutual friend Taylor Marshall, the biggest English-speaking Catholic podcaster in the world, is talking about how much he loves Lefebvre on his channel and things like that.

00:12:28.520 So things are just very, very different than they were then.

00:12:30.880 And the 1988 fallout was very confusing because canonically it was a very specious or dubious decision, which canon lawyers had been yelling at each other about for the last 37 years.

00:12:44.100 And Pope Leo is a canon lawyer.

00:12:45.240 So, you know, I think that's important because he's going to want to have a real solution to this.

00:12:51.400 So what will he do?

00:12:52.940 My gut tells me he'll want to find a solution.

00:12:56.060 I don't know what that be, what'll be.

00:12:57.760 But my speculation is that there will be permission for at least a couple bishops.

00:13:03.020 And I'm thinking that we'll start to see some other bishops in the church sort of help the society out, if that makes sense.

00:13:11.340 Yeah, well, it makes a lot of sense because there are differences everywhere.

00:13:16.620 I went to Kenya and I was in Nairobi and I was at the only Latin mass in all of Nairobi.

00:13:28.040 It was at an SSPX church and it was wonderful mass.

00:13:32.900 And I went, I talked to the priest doctor.

00:13:34.360 I said, oh, father, how's your relationship here with the diocese and stuff like that?

00:13:44.060 Oh, it's great.

00:13:44.740 But what about, do they, you know, how does that work?

00:13:50.980 Because, you know, you're SSPX.

00:13:52.480 He said, no, no, no, that's not here.

00:13:54.540 So the diocese there is endorsing people who want the Latin mass to go to the SSPX church.

00:14:01.500 And as an American, like from America, from Canada, that's like super shocking. 0.99

00:14:07.020 Because you have some cardinals even in the church who say that that's, it's.

00:14:12.960 No bueno.

00:14:13.940 Yeah, that's a good way of putting it.

00:14:16.860 Yeah.

00:14:17.760 So that was stunning.

00:14:20.160 And father explained to me, yeah, well, it's because, you know, Lefebvre was here and helped the Africans out.

00:14:25.600 So we're all with this very different sense.

00:14:27.780 And so.

00:14:28.180 It's very, it's very different.

00:14:29.740 And you know what, it's interesting you mentioned Africa because when you talk to SSPX missionaries in the, you know, third world, so to speak, they have a very different story.

00:14:40.180 The SSPX situation is, it's what you want to make of it.

00:14:44.180 If you want to make of it a positive situation, you can easily do that with all the information out there.

00:14:49.060 If you want to make it of a negative situation, you can try to do that.

00:14:52.720 It's hard, but you can do that.

00:14:53.780 You can say, well, you know, yeah, they have permission for that, but what about this or whatever?

00:14:57.540 And you can do the whole legalism thing.

00:15:00.500 But in the third world, they're just thinking to themselves, well, we'd like souls to be saved and we'd like people to go to heaven.

00:15:07.320 That's kind of what we do.

00:15:09.120 And so these priests are willing to go out into the bush and build schools and give people the sacraments.

00:15:13.780 We'll probably just give them a high five and say, go for it because we don't even have enough.

00:15:17.740 We don't have enough anyway.

00:15:18.700 I mean, Nova Sordo priests in Africa are basically missionaries walking out and walking 20 miles to say mass.

00:15:24.780 And they give them chickens when they leave because they don't have any money to give them for a stipend.

00:15:28.480 I don't think high on their priority list is debates about an irregular canonical status.

00:15:33.120 I don't think it's really something that matters too much.

00:15:35.160 Yep.

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00:16:08.940 There's an interesting thing I found out recently, not too recently, but recent enough, that the world of the fraternity, which everybody knows is the Latin Mass world, has very few priests.

00:16:24.540 They have about 300, slightly more than 300 priests.

00:16:27.100 The other sort of fraternity or institute that has the Latin Mass that everybody knows it for is the Institute of Christ the King, about 150 priests.

00:16:38.480 So that's it for the whole wide world?

00:16:41.800 Yes, actually, which sounds really weird.

00:16:44.220 And then there's the SSPX, which as far as I know...

00:16:47.140 Like 800 or something like that.

00:16:48.440 That's right.

00:16:49.160 So the numbers are insane.

00:16:50.820 There's more in the SSPX than there are in all the traditional orders of Latin TLM priests combined, which is stunning all by itself. 0.75

00:17:01.040 And I guess part of the reason why Benedict was really looking toward some kind of full reconciliation.

00:17:08.700 Did you ever find out what happened back then when Benedict had it sort of squared away with Archbishop Philae at the time?

00:17:15.440 Yeah, so there was...

00:17:17.440 Well, it's like many things from Rome.

00:17:19.940 We'll find out some of the details when certain people die, right?

00:17:24.480 That's what Father Murr always says, you know?

00:17:26.420 He says, I can tell the stories now because all my friends have passed away, you know?

00:17:29.420 Yeah.

00:17:29.780 The strongest...

00:17:31.440 Well, I don't want to say rumor, but the strongest suggestion is that there was discord and there was tension on both sides.

00:17:41.680 And so within the SSPX, there was a lot of apprehension about the notion of a personal prelature offer, which was basically what the Opus Dei had.

00:17:50.200 They sort of still have it, but they don't have a prelate anymore.

00:17:52.580 So it's not really sure if it's a prelature in the sense because they don't have a bishop.

00:17:57.260 That was something that was apparently on the table.

00:17:59.520 On the other hand, the word on the street is that there were a cardinal or two close to Benedict who were very unhappy about an SSPX path forward and pressured him to basically pull the plug.

00:18:14.160 We don't really know the full answer.

00:18:15.500 What I do know, though, and I can say this for certain because some of these things have been released publicly.

00:18:20.960 The thing about the SSPX is a lot of it's in French, and I'm a French speaker and whatever, so I can...

00:18:25.000 But most people aren't that are sort of Anglo-North Americans.

00:18:27.360 And a part of the conversation between the SSPX and Rome, well, a lot of it was doctrinal.

00:18:37.140 So a lot of it is like boring for most people behind the scenes, basically submitting essays back and forth about how to understand particular points of doctrine expressed in the Second Vatican Council.

00:18:49.960 And on that, they basically reached loggerheads and couldn't come to some sort of agreement on certain points.

00:18:58.480 And they kind of reached an impasse.

00:19:02.920 And those points, largely speaking, have to do with things that maybe we can talk about how Leo will have to deal with this, having to do with things like synodality, things like collegiality, and things like religious liberty, which are all in one...

00:19:18.620 If you interpret them in a pre-conciliar way, either errors or heresies.

00:19:23.620 If you try to interpret them in a post-conciliar way, you still get into some murky waters if you're trying to keep the traditional Catholic perception.

00:19:33.680 So that's something that still has to be figured out.

00:19:36.060 Yeah.

00:19:36.600 And there's a lot of that.

00:19:38.020 There's a lot of the right now with Leo using Bud's words like synodality, like ecumenism, and all sorts of things.

00:19:47.320 But honestly, I think we have to wait till we know what he means by them.

00:19:51.700 Because I remember well the Pope Benedict and his use of ecology.

00:19:58.080 And people were like, at first, very scared that, oh no, he's going to pick up the whole population control bit.

00:20:05.720 And then when he used it, he turned it right on its head and freaked out the other side, if you will.

00:20:11.280 He talked about a human ecology, how we need to respect that God created us male and female.

00:20:18.440 And just, he blew...

00:20:20.080 It was awesome.

00:20:21.320 So, I wouldn't mind at all if Leo were using the terms and meaning them in a proper Catholic sense.

00:20:29.100 It would be awesome.

00:20:30.500 So, yeah, we're waiting, we're hoping to see what comes down the line.

00:20:35.540 I think, for example, there will be...

00:20:38.260 I think that Pope Leo is going to restore permission for the traditional Mass.

00:20:41.820 Hmm.

00:20:42.520 Because...

00:20:43.040 And I think he's going to use...

00:20:44.640 This is just like a gut feeling.

00:20:46.160 I don't know.

00:20:46.540 What do I know? 1.00

00:20:47.080 I'm just, you know, an idiot on the internet. 0.99

00:20:48.680 But my reasoning for that is... 0.99

00:20:51.340 So, I think you probably saw the Mass of Ages 3.

00:20:55.380 I was at the premiere in Chicago last year or whatever.

00:20:58.040 And they had an interesting part of the film where they showed how after Pope Francis had put in Traditionis Custodis, you know, basically sending the traditional Mass back to the restrictions it was under in 1984 under JP2.

00:21:09.660 Although, in fairness to JP2, that was an opening up, whereas with Francis it was a restriction.

00:21:13.740 But it was the same sort of parameters.

00:21:15.340 The bishops themselves were basically surveyed on it.

00:21:18.680 And the majority of them either did nothing about it, which was interesting, meaning they didn't implement it. 0.82

00:21:24.920 Or a small minority were really positive on it, meaning they really wanted to hammer down and beat those trads over the head with a stick.

00:21:32.720 Whereas a lot of them were kind of not really that fond of it and found the most liberating way possible to interpret it.

00:21:40.940 So, basically, if we're into synodality, if we're into collegiality, meaning we think that the local bishops should have a lot more say, blah, blah, blah, and all these kinds of things.

00:21:49.520 If that's really what we mean, and we want to hear the voices of the faithful and blah, blah, blah, then they have an airtight argument to just say, the people have spoken, the bishops of the world have spoken, and the synodality and collegiality, blah, blah, blah, they really want access to this.

00:22:04.740 So, in fraternal communion and, you know, whatever of encounter with our brother Christians and whatever, we would like them to have access to this thing that's meaningful to them.

00:22:13.360 I really think that's the path forward for it.

00:22:16.640 So, we have to be welcoming and accepting even of those sisters and brothers of ours who may be different to ourselves.

00:22:28.860 Oh, my gosh.

00:22:29.560 Yeah.

00:22:30.880 Might very well be.

00:22:32.940 There is a path forward.

00:22:34.160 I've always found it funny because I noticed some of the conservative...

00:22:39.820 Yeah, we had some conservative bishops really hunt down the traditional mass and restrict it to all get out.

00:22:46.900 Not because they really wanted to, but out of, you know, wanting to obey and be proper and right and I don't know what.

00:22:54.480 But I did notice some of the more liberal bishops who weren't ideological, like they weren't like Cupich or McElroy, who just...

00:23:03.720 They have an ideology that they're following.

00:23:05.520 It's just the opposite one of the faith. 0.93

00:23:07.460 They're going to pursue it like hazy and stomp it out too. 0.99

00:23:10.080 But I found the liberal bishops who, like, really don't care.

00:23:14.280 They're trying to get their diocese going.

00:23:15.860 They saw the cash flow coming in from the TLM and were like, yeah, we're not doing that.

00:23:21.720 We're going to relegate that to the same, like, place we put it when, you know, some other papal command came down and we did nothing about it because it was on the other side.

00:23:31.740 And we're like, yeah, whatever.

00:23:33.300 They were just, yeah, that's nice.

00:23:35.760 Next.

00:23:36.000 Even in my diocese, which is super liberal, like my diocese, God bless the bishop, you know, during COVID, when they shut down stuff faster than the government even told them to and opened it up slower than the government told them to.

00:23:50.980 Like, they were way more, they were, they were more with the virus than Doug Ford and, which is hard to imagine anyone being more happy about COVID than the Ontario government.

00:24:00.980 And so even during that time, they put out a letter saying Catholics under no circumstances could go to the SSPX, even if no other sacraments were available.

00:24:10.920 That's how much, that's the disdain, which isn't even what the church says about the Orthodox, for goodness sake.

00:24:15.020 So it wouldn't even fit, you know, even if you thought they were in schism, that still wouldn't apply, according to the 83 code of canon law.

00:24:22.340 So that's the, but even here, he hasn't shut down the TLM because the diocese is failing.

00:24:30.120 And the only place where you have more babies, the only place where you have more infants in diapers than elderly parishioners is at the traditional mass.

00:24:39.680 And that's a lot of money that they would have to say goodbye to.

00:24:43.880 It's stunning.

00:24:44.840 And it's funny because all these families with large numbers of children tend also to give more generously.

00:24:51.280 It's just an incredible thing.

00:24:52.900 Just on economics alone, it makes sense.

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00:25:28.680 Anyway, Kennedy, final thoughts on Pope Leo, the future of the church, and the SSPX.

00:25:34.040 My final thoughts are that he will try to find a path forward, which is a path of least resistance.

00:25:41.260 So I don't believe that—and who knows what will happen—but I don't believe there will be any sort of official new thing or, you know, all the dioceses have to use them like a parish.

00:25:52.620 I think it will be more something like, you know, in keeping with my predecessors who have consistently in fraternal communion, blah, blah, blah, you know, we would like to extend our thanks to the society and give them our blessing to continue with what they do.

00:26:06.640 And for their needs, we will allow them permission to have X amount of bishops.

00:26:11.480 And we encourage the bishops of the world to work closely with them in a spirit of dialogue or something.

00:26:17.980 Like, I really think it will be something like that.

00:26:20.480 And then they'll continue to have—

00:26:21.280 You could just write it for him, Kennedy.

00:26:22.720 That would be great.

00:26:23.820 Well, honestly, J.H., you know, writing that modernism book that I wrote, I could write a dissertation as if I was James Martin right now, and you wouldn't even know the difference.

00:26:33.040 I know it so well.

00:26:33.840 So I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing.

00:26:37.260 Kennedy Hall from Mere Tradition.

00:26:39.040 So good to be with you, my friend.

00:26:40.060 Thank you.

00:26:40.560 And God bless all of you, and we'll see you next time.

The John-Henry Westen Show - June 04, 2025

Latin Mass RISING： What Comes Next？｜ Kennedy Hall

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The John-Henry Westen Show - June 04, 2025

Latin Mass RISING： What Comes Next？ ｜ Kennedy Hall

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Latin Mass RISING： What Comes Next？｜ Kennedy Hall