The John-Henry Westen Show - June 03, 2021


Love is what makes this priest willing to call out unfaithful bishops, even the Pope


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Length

25 minutes

Words per Minute

122.50275

Word Count

3,162

Sentence Count

262

Hate Speech Sentences

6


Summary

In this episode of the John Henry Weston Show, Father Francis Laudeman, a priest in the Archdiocese of Indianapolis, shares his thoughts on Bishop Alberto Rojas, who recently made an error in a homily.


Transcript

00:00:00.420 Welcome, everyone, to this episode of the John Henry Weston Show, where I'm very pleased to bring you someone who is, well, very rare.
00:00:09.060 There is a priest who has spoken out. His name is Father Francis Laudeman.
00:00:13.820 Now, he's spoken out the truth of the Catholic faith, but he's done so in a way that is really unafraid.
00:00:20.400 And whereas many, perhaps, priests who have bishops who, well, might be doing things that are at odds with the faith, are very reticent to speak out,
00:00:30.780 Father Francis has spoken out, spoken out strongly in a homily, with much charity and grace, but nevertheless, spoken the truth.
00:00:38.360 We're going to speak to him now, so you better stay tuned.
00:00:50.400 Let's begin, as we always do, with the sign of the cross.
00:01:02.140 Father Laudeman, would you mind leading us in the sign of the cross, please?
00:01:05.580 In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, amen.
00:01:10.240 Amen. Thank you, Father. Thank you for being with us on this episode of the John Henry Weston Show.
00:01:15.240 And Father, if I could start off, you gave a homily that was stunning.
00:01:19.500 We're going to play a few clips of it here during this show, just to show people what we're talking about.
00:01:24.400 In fact, let's take a quick look now.
00:01:28.340 One sad example in our diocese.
00:01:35.640 Our bishop, Alberto Rojas, is one of the 14 bishops who made a big error, right?
00:01:48.000 He was one of the 14 that signed a document saying LGBT is healthy, it's normal.
00:02:06.120 That is an error.
00:02:07.780 It goes against the Old Testament, against what happened to Sodom and Gomorrah.
00:02:19.260 It goes with St. Paul says in the New Testament.
00:02:26.360 It's a sin, a mortal sin, a sin that leads to hell, to condemnation.
00:02:33.620 In so far as one loves the sin, that person hates the sinner.
00:02:50.900 Now, you spoke openly in your homily, criticizing your own bishop, even.
00:02:56.440 And let me ask first, are you not afraid of reprisals for doing that?
00:03:00.600 In the past, I would have.
00:03:05.660 But more and more, I'm doing this out of love, and perfect love casts out fear.
00:03:15.360 And so there's more of a desire, more of a joy in proclaiming the truth.
00:03:22.120 And so there's less and less fear.
00:03:24.180 Let's get into that a little bit.
00:03:29.260 That's very interesting.
00:03:31.180 Now, here you are.
00:03:33.360 I think a lot of people, when they think about love, they think about, oh, never, never, ever
00:03:40.000 talking badly about a person, or never pointing out to them, even when they do something wrong.
00:03:45.260 Um, it's, it's basically go along to get along and just sort of hide everything bad that ever
00:03:51.320 happens.
00:03:52.140 Um, yet you are expressing your motivation as one of being love.
00:03:57.340 How does, how does that work?
00:04:00.080 Well, our generation makes a virtue out of nice, but I go with Jesus.
00:04:09.600 Jesus spoke the truth, even when it was hard, even when he knew he was going to suffer and
00:04:17.740 be killed horrifically.
00:04:20.960 He spoke the truth and he's called us to speak the truth, to be like him, to be Christ-like.
00:04:30.020 It's a command.
00:04:31.300 It's not an option.
00:04:32.200 And so I have a duty as a priest to be like Christ and to love as he loved.
00:04:43.420 And that included speaking the truth.
00:04:48.340 Let's, let's have another look at, uh, one of the other things you said.
00:04:55.100 A prime example of that would be Pope Francis.
00:04:58.460 A Jesuit education confused him and he spreads this confusion like a virus.
00:05:11.740 That can lead to another sin called scandal.
00:05:18.300 So as we've seen there, uh, you're speaking out then with regard to, uh, the truth and,
00:05:24.860 uh, including about your Bishop, uh, extends even to the Pope.
00:05:29.220 Is there, you know, uh, a sort of, uh, perhaps some people would think I've been told many
00:05:34.160 times that, uh, you know, when it comes to the errors of the Pope or when the Pope makes
00:05:39.760 a mistake like that, we should just hush about it, not say a word, um, and just sort of cover
00:05:44.960 it over as best we can and try and move the discussion on.
00:05:48.660 So we're not looking there at all.
00:05:49.820 Um, and yet you've chosen to, to speak out.
00:05:53.220 What's your motivation with that?
00:05:56.800 Well, it's causing confusion among the people who need clarity and they're not getting it.
00:06:07.800 And, um, the truth includes charity, uh, clarity, not confusion.
00:06:16.460 Yes, he's stirring up the water.
00:06:20.960 That's what he came to do.
00:06:23.200 He came to shake things up, but it would help if he would listen to someone like Cardinal
00:06:32.640 Ratzinger, who is clear, who does have the truth and to allow himself to be shaken up.
00:06:39.620 And then we're more likely to listen to him.
00:06:42.200 Thank you, Father.
00:06:44.020 One of the other things you addressed, um, was with regard to communion.
00:06:48.380 Let's have a listen to what you said there.
00:06:53.020 Saying if you're uncomfortable with communion in the hand, just sit where you're at.
00:07:01.540 That's an error.
00:07:05.000 The church's teaching is clear.
00:07:07.580 No one can deprive you of receiving the Eucharist on the tongue.
00:07:16.620 Nobody.
00:07:18.520 No bishop, no priest.
00:07:22.480 Priests who are more concerned with their physical health than the spiritual health of their sheep.
00:07:33.520 Do they really care about your souls?
00:07:41.920 The courage that the apostles had on this day 2,000 years ago, Pentecost.
00:07:49.680 Does that sound like our American bishops for the past few decades?
00:07:57.220 Where are they?
00:07:59.280 How come they're not speaking?
00:08:00.960 The Protestants are.
00:08:03.520 Protestant leaders are helping to save our country.
00:08:11.000 Boy, do they make us look bad.
00:08:13.980 We have the hierarchy.
00:08:16.180 We have the structure.
00:08:21.340 But not the shepherds to lead.
00:08:27.880 So, Father, there is a lot of this going on today.
00:08:33.840 A lot of people are deprived.
00:08:36.220 In fact, I think much of the world might be deprived.
00:08:38.780 All those who used to receive communion, kneeling it on the tongue.
00:08:42.520 Many of those, perhaps a majority of those, are deprived Holy Communion in the way that they feel is proper.
00:08:47.700 And yet you've said that this can never be done.
00:08:52.300 They can never be refused.
00:08:53.760 How does that work when there's so many faithful right now deprived of it?
00:08:58.660 What should they do?
00:08:59.940 What should priests do when their bishops are telling them, as many have, even those celebrating the Latin Mass,
00:09:05.860 that they can't give out Holy Communion on the tongue, must do so on the hand?
00:09:11.480 Well, it is a teaching of the church.
00:09:16.120 And last week we had a feast, an optional memorial of St. Pope Gregory VII.
00:09:26.220 And he started the Gregorian Reform a thousand years ago.
00:09:32.440 It was a terrible time when there was lay investiture, there was concubinage, there was simony.
00:09:41.480 And he told those priests, bishops, abbots, religious who were guilty of this to stop.
00:09:49.500 And they resisted, they disobeyed.
00:09:53.280 And so what did this Pope do?
00:09:55.720 He went to the laity.
00:09:58.200 He saw the laity as having a voice.
00:10:01.760 And he appealed to the laity to stay away from disobedient shepherds,
00:10:09.140 from shepherds who were not shepherding the sheep.
00:10:13.260 Reject what they do, what they say.
00:10:16.720 Do not go to their Mass.
00:10:18.800 Do not receive their sacraments.
00:10:21.560 Do not listen to them.
00:10:24.320 To tell them why, because they're disobedient, they're not shepherding.
00:10:29.560 And for these lay people to go to those priests, those bishops who were obedient, support them,
00:10:39.860 go to their Mass, support them monetarily.
00:10:44.540 So this was a way of helping to reform the clergy, the religious,
00:10:52.460 when the Pope single-handedly was not able to do that.
00:10:56.520 He appealed to the laity.
00:10:58.740 He saw the laity as having a voice.
00:11:04.080 So this is a saint.
00:11:05.760 This is a Pope who not only said this a thousand years ago, but his voice still goes on.
00:11:13.140 And it applies to our day and age.
00:11:17.260 It applies a thousand years later.
00:11:19.220 However, we should reject those who are disobedient shepherds,
00:11:24.520 those who close their doors to the sheep,
00:11:29.660 those who refuse to give the sacraments to the dying,
00:11:33.800 those who refuse to give the Eucharist to those who have the right to receive it on the tongue,
00:11:41.020 those who will not hear confessions.
00:11:43.640 Don't go to them.
00:11:44.520 Go to those priests, those bishops who are being obedient, who are following Jesus.
00:11:54.480 Father Glaudeman, thank you for that.
00:11:57.900 It's very consoling words, I think, that we really need to hear.
00:12:02.940 One of the other things you mentioned in your homily that was,
00:12:07.160 it was a question that many, many faithful Catholics have,
00:12:09.740 particularly Catholics who have an evangelical spirit, who want to spread the faith.
00:12:15.340 It was about Protestant pastors, many of whom are in the news right now,
00:12:20.440 because they are defying lockdowns.
00:12:23.320 They're opening their churches anyway.
00:12:24.860 They are ministering to their people.
00:12:29.260 Whereas there's so many, especially the bishops that we see publicly,
00:12:33.200 and sometimes priests, who are just locking their doors,
00:12:37.000 are just sort of going along with the government-ordered shutdowns,
00:12:41.360 not ministering to their people.
00:12:42.960 That's been very difficult to deal with.
00:12:47.260 What do you make of it, and what can we do about it,
00:12:51.140 and how should we react to it?
00:12:55.860 Yes, it is sad that our Catholic hierarchy is not speaking out.
00:13:03.980 Maybe one reason is that many have accepted money from the government,
00:13:10.680 which was dispersed to some parishes.
00:13:15.240 That happened in the diocese where I help out.
00:13:20.520 When you get money from the government,
00:13:23.220 you're less likely to go against the government.
00:13:26.320 The government has you more in the grip of their hand.
00:13:31.860 They can more control you.
00:13:34.460 But that doesn't seem to be a problem with these Protestant ministers
00:13:38.100 who speak out, who are speaking the truth,
00:13:42.160 who are being patriotic, and that is a virtue.
00:13:47.600 Patriotism is a virtue to have this proper love for one's country.
00:13:53.040 The extreme would be too much love for one's country,
00:13:57.080 you know, putting country before God,
00:14:00.460 like communism, atheistic communism.
00:14:05.360 The other extreme would be to damage one's country,
00:14:09.020 which is going on a lot,
00:14:10.920 especially amongst the Democrats,
00:14:12.920 who are damaging our freedoms,
00:14:15.700 our constitutions, our rights.
00:14:19.240 But these Protestant ministers seem courageous.
00:14:24.880 They're speaking out.
00:14:28.520 It would be a beautiful thing
00:14:30.660 if Catholics could connect with that.
00:14:34.420 Catholic laity,
00:14:36.300 find out what these Protestants are doing,
00:14:39.520 you know, regarding signatures
00:14:41.600 and filing lawsuits,
00:14:44.160 and present that to their pastor
00:14:47.620 and ask if their parish could participate
00:14:51.240 along with their Protestant brothers and sisters.
00:14:56.640 And this would promote ecumenism.
00:14:59.920 This is one of the good things about Vatican II
00:15:06.400 was to seek common ground amongst Christians
00:15:11.140 instead of just looking at the differences
00:15:13.720 to see where we can pray together,
00:15:16.860 where we can work together.
00:15:19.360 And I experienced that in 1989
00:15:22.480 as a seminarian being involved with Operation Rescue,
00:15:26.820 where we would pray outside abortion clinics,
00:15:29.740 we'd get arrested,
00:15:30.720 we'd be in jail.
00:15:31.580 And that was ecumenism at its best.
00:15:37.260 And there were some really beautiful things
00:15:40.060 that happened.
00:15:42.800 I have a positive experience of ecumenism.
00:15:48.080 There is definitely a spirit of conversion,
00:15:50.760 a spirit of listening,
00:15:52.300 seeking understanding.
00:15:55.040 And because of it,
00:15:57.680 there were some Protestants
00:15:59.940 who became Catholic.
00:16:01.580 right here in Southern California.
00:16:06.480 I was just going to say,
00:16:07.720 it is truly beautiful.
00:16:09.300 It's no secret that the pro-life movement
00:16:11.600 is probably the greatest ecumenical effort
00:16:13.640 that we've ever had.
00:16:16.760 The March for Life in Washington, D.C.,
00:16:20.060 all of the, you know,
00:16:22.140 it goes on,
00:16:22.740 we stand shoulder to shoulder.
00:16:24.300 And then most of the people,
00:16:26.900 the leaders,
00:16:27.860 we head to a pub afterward.
00:16:29.880 It was, you know,
00:16:30.920 very long day,
00:16:31.840 very early mornings and so on.
00:16:33.720 And in the pub,
00:16:34.940 there's very often discussion
00:16:37.600 at very many of the tables
00:16:39.600 about the faith
00:16:41.360 and Protestants and Catholics,
00:16:44.020 you know,
00:16:45.120 talking to one another about the faith
00:16:47.180 and really trying to share with one another
00:16:49.980 the truth.
00:16:50.400 Because all these people are motivated by the truth
00:16:52.400 and their deepest conviction
00:16:54.780 is to give people the fullness of truth.
00:16:57.140 And so that goes on.
00:16:58.080 It's a beautiful ecumenical effort
00:17:00.960 inside the pro-life movement.
00:17:02.600 It's just been wonderful.
00:17:03.480 I experienced Operation Rescue
00:17:06.600 that I had more in common
00:17:09.860 with conservative Protestants
00:17:12.420 than I do with liberal Catholics.
00:17:15.320 Father, I wanted to say thank you
00:17:16.960 for speaking the truth,
00:17:18.960 for speaking out.
00:17:19.700 I'm in a way very grateful
00:17:21.560 for the lockdowns
00:17:23.860 in that a lot of the homilies
00:17:25.500 that normally would just go on
00:17:26.860 and people would never know
00:17:27.720 about them are seen.
00:17:28.700 And yours was definitely one of them.
00:17:31.240 Thank you for your fidelity.
00:17:33.440 I think the faithful need to hear it
00:17:35.820 and very often don't.
00:17:37.880 I mean, I'm very much into education,
00:17:40.640 but for these people,
00:17:43.460 what really they loved about it,
00:17:47.380 it was so consoling.
00:17:49.400 And that's a gift.
00:17:51.080 That's the Holy Spirit.
00:17:53.660 The Holy Spirit is the consoler.
00:17:56.080 And we're called to share in that consolation.
00:17:59.080 The truth sets you free,
00:18:00.840 but the truth is also consoling.
00:18:04.080 Amen.
00:18:05.160 Amen.
00:18:06.280 Father, any parting words
00:18:08.020 for a lot of the faithful
00:18:09.300 who are watching this being consoled?
00:18:13.360 Probably going to be looking
00:18:14.360 for your homilies online.
00:18:15.600 Where can we find that as well?
00:18:20.060 The parish that I help out on Sundays
00:18:24.040 is San Secundo Dosti in Ontario.
00:18:31.860 And from time to time,
00:18:35.160 my homilies are recorded.
00:18:38.580 And so it'd be,
00:18:39.920 I think that's on Facebook,
00:18:43.680 San Secundo,
00:18:44.580 8 a.m.
00:18:48.520 6.30 Sunday Mass.
00:18:52.600 Great.
00:18:53.360 And lest our Canadian viewers think
00:18:55.120 something great
00:18:56.380 they'll be running out
00:18:57.080 to the province of Ontario,
00:18:58.540 you mean Ontario, California.
00:19:01.260 Ontario, California.
00:19:03.240 Right.
00:19:04.320 Very good.
00:19:06.040 Thank you so very much, Father.
00:19:08.240 Oh, go ahead.
00:19:08.860 Sorry, yeah.
00:19:09.300 Because you had asked me
00:19:12.920 about motivation
00:19:13.900 and I'm motivated
00:19:16.360 also because of love
00:19:20.400 of those that I minister to.
00:19:23.700 I minister at two parishes,
00:19:26.000 one in the Orange Diocese
00:19:28.240 where they have perpetual adoration
00:19:30.100 at St. Martin de Pours.
00:19:32.560 And then I help out
00:19:33.680 on several days a week
00:19:36.140 at San Secundo.
00:19:37.840 And in both parishes,
00:19:40.840 there are sheep
00:19:43.740 that have felt abandoned
00:19:46.300 by their shepherds.
00:19:48.720 And they are like sheep
00:19:52.140 without shepherds.
00:19:54.060 But at San Secundo,
00:19:55.400 they have an excellent shepherd,
00:19:57.800 Father C.
00:19:58.920 And so they flock to that parish.
00:20:02.280 And in my parish,
00:20:04.300 we had a wonderful pastor,
00:20:07.060 Father Lewis Marks.
00:20:09.820 And it was known
00:20:12.780 for confessions.
00:20:14.660 People from a 50-mile radius
00:20:16.580 would come daily,
00:20:18.900 three times a day
00:20:19.940 for confessions
00:20:20.980 and all day on Sundays.
00:20:22.720 And so I do this
00:20:27.100 out of compassion
00:20:28.060 for these people
00:20:29.100 who would otherwise
00:20:30.100 have no other place to go.
00:20:33.540 Jesus saw his sheep
00:20:35.380 without shepherds
00:20:37.540 and he had compassion on them.
00:20:40.860 And I share in that.
00:20:44.420 And I love the sheep.
00:20:48.640 They love me.
00:20:49.640 Hundreds of people
00:20:50.420 are praying for me.
00:20:52.440 And so the preaching
00:20:54.420 and the sacraments
00:20:56.340 is not just coming
00:20:59.160 from me.
00:21:00.300 It's coming from the Lord.
00:21:01.300 It's coming from the prayers
00:21:02.780 of many people
00:21:03.980 who love me.
00:21:07.000 Amen.
00:21:07.740 And God willing,
00:21:08.520 there'll be many more
00:21:09.360 praying for you now
00:21:10.220 and thanking you
00:21:12.600 for your great compassion
00:21:14.820 for the people
00:21:15.220 and your willingness
00:21:15.780 to share the truth
00:21:16.680 despite any kind of consequences
00:21:19.580 that might come your way.
00:21:21.600 If you wouldn't mind,
00:21:22.540 Father,
00:21:22.740 give us your blessing
00:21:23.360 before we part.
00:21:24.540 That would be awesome.
00:21:28.040 In the name of the Father
00:21:29.120 and of the Son
00:21:29.680 and of the Holy Spirit.
00:21:31.180 Amen.
00:21:34.200 Jesus,
00:21:34.800 you are our motivation.
00:21:37.660 You are the reason
00:21:39.620 why we say what we say,
00:21:41.680 why we think what we think,
00:21:44.000 why we do what we do.
00:21:46.340 Help us to keep you
00:21:47.780 front and center.
00:21:50.740 And may we become
00:21:53.720 more and more like you,
00:21:55.840 more and more lovers
00:21:56.760 of the truth,
00:21:58.820 more and more lovers
00:21:59.920 of your Heavenly Father,
00:22:02.580 more and more lovers
00:22:03.620 of each other.
00:22:05.420 We ask this in the name
00:22:06.740 of the Father
00:22:07.340 and of the Son
00:22:08.000 and of the Holy Spirit.
00:22:09.680 Amen.
00:22:10.880 Amen.
00:22:11.780 Amen.
00:22:12.880 Thank you so very much,
00:22:14.020 Father Glaudiman.
00:22:14.840 It's been great being with you.
00:22:16.400 May God bless you.
00:22:17.060 Thank you for your work
00:22:18.180 and for LifeSite
00:22:19.900 and for communicating the truth
00:22:22.780 when there's so many
00:22:24.620 that are blocking the truth
00:22:27.540 and hate the truth.
00:22:28.920 Thank you for getting the truth
00:22:31.480 to the people.
00:22:33.400 Praise God.
00:22:34.260 Thank you, Father.
00:22:35.360 And God bless all of you.
00:22:36.740 We'll see you next time.
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