The John-Henry Westen Show - Love is what makes this priest willing to call out unfaithful bishops, even the Pope

00:00:00.420 Welcome, everyone, to this episode of the John Henry Weston Show, where I'm very pleased to bring you someone who is, well, very rare.

00:00:09.060 There is a priest who has spoken out. His name is Father Francis Laudeman.

00:00:13.820 Now, he's spoken out the truth of the Catholic faith, but he's done so in a way that is really unafraid.

00:00:20.400 And whereas many, perhaps, priests who have bishops who, well, might be doing things that are at odds with the faith, are very reticent to speak out,

00:00:30.780 Father Francis has spoken out, spoken out strongly in a homily, with much charity and grace, but nevertheless, spoken the truth.

00:00:38.360 We're going to speak to him now, so you better stay tuned.

00:00:50.400 Let's begin, as we always do, with the sign of the cross.

00:01:02.140 Father Laudeman, would you mind leading us in the sign of the cross, please?

00:01:05.580 In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, amen.

00:01:10.240 Amen. Thank you, Father. Thank you for being with us on this episode of the John Henry Weston Show.

00:01:15.240 And Father, if I could start off, you gave a homily that was stunning.

00:01:19.500 We're going to play a few clips of it here during this show, just to show people what we're talking about.

00:01:24.400 In fact, let's take a quick look now.

00:01:28.340 One sad example in our diocese.

00:01:35.640 Our bishop, Alberto Rojas, is one of the 14 bishops who made a big error, right?

00:01:48.000 He was one of the 14 that signed a document saying LGBT is healthy, it's normal.

00:02:06.120 That is an error.

00:02:07.780 It goes against the Old Testament, against what happened to Sodom and Gomorrah.

00:02:19.260 It goes with St. Paul says in the New Testament.

00:02:26.360 It's a sin, a mortal sin, a sin that leads to hell, to condemnation.

00:02:33.620 In so far as one loves the sin, that person hates the sinner.

00:02:50.900 Now, you spoke openly in your homily, criticizing your own bishop, even.

00:02:56.440 And let me ask first, are you not afraid of reprisals for doing that?

00:03:00.600 In the past, I would have.

00:03:05.660 But more and more, I'm doing this out of love, and perfect love casts out fear.

00:03:15.360 And so there's more of a desire, more of a joy in proclaiming the truth.

00:03:22.120 And so there's less and less fear.

00:03:24.180 Let's get into that a little bit.

00:03:29.260 That's very interesting.

00:03:31.180 Now, here you are.

00:03:33.360 I think a lot of people, when they think about love, they think about, oh, never, never, ever

00:03:40.000 talking badly about a person, or never pointing out to them, even when they do something wrong.

00:03:45.260 Um, it's, it's basically go along to get along and just sort of hide everything bad that ever

00:03:51.320 happens.

00:03:52.140 Um, yet you are expressing your motivation as one of being love.

00:03:57.340 How does, how does that work?

00:04:00.080 Well, our generation makes a virtue out of nice, but I go with Jesus.

00:04:09.600 Jesus spoke the truth, even when it was hard, even when he knew he was going to suffer and

00:04:17.740 be killed horrifically.

00:04:20.960 He spoke the truth and he's called us to speak the truth, to be like him, to be Christ-like.

00:04:30.020 It's a command.

00:04:31.300 It's not an option.

00:04:32.200 And so I have a duty as a priest to be like Christ and to love as he loved.

00:04:43.420 And that included speaking the truth.

00:04:48.340 Let's, let's have another look at, uh, one of the other things you said.

00:04:55.100 A prime example of that would be Pope Francis.

00:04:58.460 A Jesuit education confused him and he spreads this confusion like a virus. 0.61

00:05:11.740 That can lead to another sin called scandal.

00:05:18.300 So as we've seen there, uh, you're speaking out then with regard to, uh, the truth and,

00:05:24.860 uh, including about your Bishop, uh, extends even to the Pope.

00:05:29.220 Is there, you know, uh, a sort of, uh, perhaps some people would think I've been told many

00:05:34.160 times that, uh, you know, when it comes to the errors of the Pope or when the Pope makes

00:05:39.760 a mistake like that, we should just hush about it, not say a word, um, and just sort of cover

00:05:44.960 it over as best we can and try and move the discussion on.

00:05:48.660 So we're not looking there at all.

00:05:49.820 Um, and yet you've chosen to, to speak out.

00:05:53.220 What's your motivation with that?

00:05:56.800 Well, it's causing confusion among the people who need clarity and they're not getting it.

00:06:07.800 And, um, the truth includes charity, uh, clarity, not confusion.

00:06:16.460 Yes, he's stirring up the water.

00:06:20.960 That's what he came to do.

00:06:23.200 He came to shake things up, but it would help if he would listen to someone like Cardinal

00:06:32.640 Ratzinger, who is clear, who does have the truth and to allow himself to be shaken up.

00:06:39.620 And then we're more likely to listen to him.

00:06:42.200 Thank you, Father.

00:06:44.020 One of the other things you addressed, um, was with regard to communion.

00:06:48.380 Let's have a listen to what you said there.

00:06:53.020 Saying if you're uncomfortable with communion in the hand, just sit where you're at.

00:07:01.540 That's an error.

00:07:05.000 The church's teaching is clear.

00:07:07.580 No one can deprive you of receiving the Eucharist on the tongue.

00:07:16.620 Nobody.

00:07:18.520 No bishop, no priest.

00:07:22.480 Priests who are more concerned with their physical health than the spiritual health of their sheep. 0.83

00:07:33.520 Do they really care about your souls?

00:07:41.920 The courage that the apostles had on this day 2,000 years ago, Pentecost.

00:07:49.680 Does that sound like our American bishops for the past few decades?

00:07:57.220 Where are they?

00:07:59.280 How come they're not speaking?

00:08:00.960 The Protestants are. 0.95

00:08:03.520 Protestant leaders are helping to save our country.

00:08:11.000 Boy, do they make us look bad.

00:08:13.980 We have the hierarchy.

00:08:16.180 We have the structure.

00:08:21.340 But not the shepherds to lead.

00:08:27.880 So, Father, there is a lot of this going on today.

00:08:33.840 A lot of people are deprived.

00:08:36.220 In fact, I think much of the world might be deprived.

00:08:38.780 All those who used to receive communion, kneeling it on the tongue.

00:08:42.520 Many of those, perhaps a majority of those, are deprived Holy Communion in the way that they feel is proper.

00:08:47.700 And yet you've said that this can never be done.

00:08:52.300 They can never be refused.

00:08:53.760 How does that work when there's so many faithful right now deprived of it?

00:08:58.660 What should they do?

00:08:59.940 What should priests do when their bishops are telling them, as many have, even those celebrating the Latin Mass,

00:09:05.860 that they can't give out Holy Communion on the tongue, must do so on the hand?

00:09:11.480 Well, it is a teaching of the church.

00:09:16.120 And last week we had a feast, an optional memorial of St. Pope Gregory VII.

00:09:26.220 And he started the Gregorian Reform a thousand years ago.

00:09:32.440 It was a terrible time when there was lay investiture, there was concubinage, there was simony.

00:09:41.480 And he told those priests, bishops, abbots, religious who were guilty of this to stop.

00:09:49.500 And they resisted, they disobeyed.

00:09:53.280 And so what did this Pope do?

00:09:55.720 He went to the laity.

00:09:58.200 He saw the laity as having a voice.

00:10:01.760 And he appealed to the laity to stay away from disobedient shepherds,

00:10:09.140 from shepherds who were not shepherding the sheep.

00:10:13.260 Reject what they do, what they say.

00:10:16.720 Do not go to their Mass.

00:10:18.800 Do not receive their sacraments.

00:10:21.560 Do not listen to them.

00:10:24.320 To tell them why, because they're disobedient, they're not shepherding.

00:10:29.560 And for these lay people to go to those priests, those bishops who were obedient, support them,

00:10:39.860 go to their Mass, support them monetarily.

00:10:44.540 So this was a way of helping to reform the clergy, the religious,

00:10:52.460 when the Pope single-handedly was not able to do that.

00:10:56.520 He appealed to the laity.

00:10:58.740 He saw the laity as having a voice.

00:11:04.080 So this is a saint.

00:11:05.760 This is a Pope who not only said this a thousand years ago, but his voice still goes on.

00:11:13.140 And it applies to our day and age.

00:11:17.260 It applies a thousand years later.

00:11:19.220 However, we should reject those who are disobedient shepherds,

00:11:24.520 those who close their doors to the sheep,

00:11:29.660 those who refuse to give the sacraments to the dying,

00:11:33.800 those who refuse to give the Eucharist to those who have the right to receive it on the tongue,

00:11:41.020 those who will not hear confessions.

00:11:43.640 Don't go to them.

00:11:44.520 Go to those priests, those bishops who are being obedient, who are following Jesus.

00:11:54.480 Father Glaudeman, thank you for that.

00:11:57.900 It's very consoling words, I think, that we really need to hear.

00:12:02.940 One of the other things you mentioned in your homily that was,

00:12:07.160 it was a question that many, many faithful Catholics have,

00:12:09.740 particularly Catholics who have an evangelical spirit, who want to spread the faith.

00:12:15.340 It was about Protestant pastors, many of whom are in the news right now,

00:12:20.440 because they are defying lockdowns.

00:12:23.320 They're opening their churches anyway.

00:12:24.860 They are ministering to their people.

00:12:29.260 Whereas there's so many, especially the bishops that we see publicly,

00:12:33.200 and sometimes priests, who are just locking their doors,

00:12:37.000 are just sort of going along with the government-ordered shutdowns,

00:12:41.360 not ministering to their people.

00:12:42.960 That's been very difficult to deal with.

00:12:47.260 What do you make of it, and what can we do about it,

00:12:51.140 and how should we react to it?

00:12:55.860 Yes, it is sad that our Catholic hierarchy is not speaking out.

00:13:03.980 Maybe one reason is that many have accepted money from the government,

00:13:10.680 which was dispersed to some parishes.

00:13:15.240 That happened in the diocese where I help out.

00:13:20.520 When you get money from the government,

00:13:23.220 you're less likely to go against the government.

00:13:26.320 The government has you more in the grip of their hand.

00:13:31.860 They can more control you.

00:13:34.460 But that doesn't seem to be a problem with these Protestant ministers

00:13:38.100 who speak out, who are speaking the truth,

00:13:42.160 who are being patriotic, and that is a virtue.

00:13:47.600 Patriotism is a virtue to have this proper love for one's country.

00:13:53.040 The extreme would be too much love for one's country,

00:13:57.080 you know, putting country before God,

00:14:00.460 like communism, atheistic communism.

00:14:05.360 The other extreme would be to damage one's country,

00:14:09.020 which is going on a lot,

00:14:10.920 especially amongst the Democrats,

00:14:12.920 who are damaging our freedoms,

00:14:15.700 our constitutions, our rights.

00:14:19.240 But these Protestant ministers seem courageous.

00:14:24.880 They're speaking out.

00:14:28.520 It would be a beautiful thing

00:14:30.660 if Catholics could connect with that.

00:14:34.420 Catholic laity,

00:14:36.300 find out what these Protestants are doing, 1.00

00:14:39.520 you know, regarding signatures

00:14:41.600 and filing lawsuits,

00:14:44.160 and present that to their pastor

00:14:47.620 and ask if their parish could participate

00:14:51.240 along with their Protestant brothers and sisters.

00:14:56.640 And this would promote ecumenism.

00:14:59.920 This is one of the good things about Vatican II 0.96

00:15:06.400 was to seek common ground amongst Christians

00:15:11.140 instead of just looking at the differences

00:15:13.720 to see where we can pray together,

00:15:16.860 where we can work together.

00:15:19.360 And I experienced that in 1989

00:15:22.480 as a seminarian being involved with Operation Rescue,

00:15:26.820 where we would pray outside abortion clinics,

00:15:29.740 we'd get arrested,

00:15:30.720 we'd be in jail.

00:15:31.580 And that was ecumenism at its best.

00:15:37.260 And there were some really beautiful things

00:15:40.060 that happened.

00:15:42.800 I have a positive experience of ecumenism.

00:15:48.080 There is definitely a spirit of conversion,

00:15:50.760 a spirit of listening,

00:15:52.300 seeking understanding.

00:15:55.040 And because of it,

00:15:57.680 there were some Protestants

00:15:59.940 who became Catholic.

00:16:01.580 right here in Southern California.

00:16:06.480 I was just going to say,

00:16:07.720 it is truly beautiful.

00:16:09.300 It's no secret that the pro-life movement

00:16:11.600 is probably the greatest ecumenical effort

00:16:13.640 that we've ever had.

00:16:16.760 The March for Life in Washington, D.C.,

00:16:20.060 all of the, you know,

00:16:22.140 it goes on,

00:16:22.740 we stand shoulder to shoulder.

00:16:24.300 And then most of the people,

00:16:26.900 the leaders,

00:16:27.860 we head to a pub afterward.

00:16:29.880 It was, you know,

00:16:30.920 very long day,

00:16:31.840 very early mornings and so on.

00:16:33.720 And in the pub,

00:16:34.940 there's very often discussion

00:16:37.600 at very many of the tables

00:16:39.600 about the faith

00:16:41.360 and Protestants and Catholics,

00:16:44.020 you know,

00:16:45.120 talking to one another about the faith

00:16:47.180 and really trying to share with one another

00:16:49.980 the truth.

00:16:50.400 Because all these people are motivated by the truth

00:16:52.400 and their deepest conviction

00:16:54.780 is to give people the fullness of truth.

00:16:57.140 And so that goes on.

00:16:58.080 It's a beautiful ecumenical effort

00:17:00.960 inside the pro-life movement.

00:17:02.600 It's just been wonderful.

00:17:03.480 I experienced Operation Rescue

00:17:06.600 that I had more in common

00:17:09.860 with conservative Protestants

00:17:12.420 than I do with liberal Catholics.

00:17:15.320 Father, I wanted to say thank you

00:17:16.960 for speaking the truth,

00:17:18.960 for speaking out.

00:17:19.700 I'm in a way very grateful

00:17:21.560 for the lockdowns

00:17:23.860 in that a lot of the homilies

00:17:25.500 that normally would just go on

00:17:26.860 and people would never know

00:17:27.720 about them are seen.

00:17:28.700 And yours was definitely one of them.

00:17:31.240 Thank you for your fidelity.

00:17:33.440 I think the faithful need to hear it

00:17:35.820 and very often don't.

00:17:37.880 I mean, I'm very much into education,

00:17:40.640 but for these people,

00:17:43.460 what really they loved about it,

00:17:47.380 it was so consoling.

00:17:49.400 And that's a gift.

00:17:51.080 That's the Holy Spirit.

00:17:53.660 The Holy Spirit is the consoler.

00:17:56.080 And we're called to share in that consolation.

00:17:59.080 The truth sets you free,

00:18:00.840 but the truth is also consoling.

00:18:04.080 Amen.

00:18:05.160 Amen.

00:18:06.280 Father, any parting words

00:18:08.020 for a lot of the faithful

00:18:09.300 who are watching this being consoled?

00:18:13.360 Probably going to be looking

00:18:14.360 for your homilies online.

00:18:15.600 Where can we find that as well?

00:18:20.060 The parish that I help out on Sundays

00:18:24.040 is San Secundo Dosti in Ontario.

00:18:31.860 And from time to time,

00:18:35.160 my homilies are recorded.

00:18:38.580 And so it'd be,

00:18:39.920 I think that's on Facebook,

00:18:43.680 San Secundo,

00:18:44.580 8 a.m.

00:18:48.520 6.30 Sunday Mass.

00:18:52.600 Great.

00:18:53.360 And lest our Canadian viewers think

00:18:55.120 something great

00:18:56.380 they'll be running out

00:18:57.080 to the province of Ontario,

00:18:58.540 you mean Ontario, California.

00:19:01.260 Ontario, California.

00:19:03.240 Right.

00:19:04.320 Very good.

00:19:06.040 Thank you so very much, Father.

00:19:08.240 Oh, go ahead.

00:19:08.860 Sorry, yeah.

00:19:09.300 Because you had asked me

00:19:12.920 about motivation

00:19:13.900 and I'm motivated

00:19:16.360 also because of love

00:19:20.400 of those that I minister to.

00:19:23.700 I minister at two parishes,

00:19:26.000 one in the Orange Diocese

00:19:28.240 where they have perpetual adoration

00:19:30.100 at St. Martin de Pours.

00:19:32.560 And then I help out

00:19:33.680 on several days a week

00:19:36.140 at San Secundo.

00:19:37.840 And in both parishes,

00:19:40.840 there are sheep

00:19:43.740 that have felt abandoned

00:19:46.300 by their shepherds.

00:19:48.720 And they are like sheep

00:19:52.140 without shepherds.

00:19:54.060 But at San Secundo,

00:19:55.400 they have an excellent shepherd,

00:19:57.800 Father C.

00:19:58.920 And so they flock to that parish.

00:20:02.280 And in my parish,

00:20:04.300 we had a wonderful pastor,

00:20:07.060 Father Lewis Marks.

00:20:09.820 And it was known

00:20:12.780 for confessions.

00:20:14.660 People from a 50-mile radius

00:20:16.580 would come daily,

00:20:18.900 three times a day

00:20:19.940 for confessions

00:20:20.980 and all day on Sundays.

00:20:22.720 And so I do this

00:20:27.100 out of compassion

00:20:28.060 for these people

00:20:29.100 who would otherwise

00:20:30.100 have no other place to go.

00:20:33.540 Jesus saw his sheep

00:20:35.380 without shepherds

00:20:37.540 and he had compassion on them.

00:20:40.860 And I share in that.

00:20:44.420 And I love the sheep.

00:20:48.640 They love me.

00:20:49.640 Hundreds of people

00:20:50.420 are praying for me.

00:20:52.440 And so the preaching

00:20:54.420 and the sacraments

00:20:56.340 is not just coming

00:20:59.160 from me.

00:21:00.300 It's coming from the Lord.

00:21:01.300 It's coming from the prayers

00:21:02.780 of many people

00:21:03.980 who love me.

00:21:07.000 Amen.

00:21:07.740 And God willing,

00:21:08.520 there'll be many more

00:21:09.360 praying for you now

00:21:10.220 and thanking you

00:21:12.600 for your great compassion

00:21:14.820 for the people

00:21:15.220 and your willingness

00:21:15.780 to share the truth

00:21:16.680 despite any kind of consequences

00:21:19.580 that might come your way.

00:21:21.600 If you wouldn't mind,

00:21:22.540 Father,

00:21:22.740 give us your blessing

00:21:23.360 before we part.

00:21:24.540 That would be awesome.

00:21:28.040 In the name of the Father

00:21:29.120 and of the Son

00:21:29.680 and of the Holy Spirit.

00:21:31.180 Amen.

00:21:34.200 Jesus,

00:21:34.800 you are our motivation.

00:21:37.660 You are the reason

00:21:39.620 why we say what we say,

00:21:41.680 why we think what we think,

00:21:44.000 why we do what we do.

00:21:46.340 Help us to keep you

00:21:47.780 front and center.

00:21:50.740 And may we become

00:21:53.720 more and more like you,

00:21:55.840 more and more lovers

00:21:56.760 of the truth,

00:21:58.820 more and more lovers

00:21:59.920 of your Heavenly Father,

00:22:02.580 more and more lovers

00:22:03.620 of each other.

00:22:05.420 We ask this in the name

00:22:06.740 of the Father

00:22:07.340 and of the Son

00:22:08.000 and of the Holy Spirit.

00:22:09.680 Amen.

00:22:10.880 Amen.

00:22:11.780 Amen.

00:22:12.880 Thank you so very much,

00:22:14.020 Father Glaudiman.

00:22:14.840 It's been great being with you.

00:22:16.400 May God bless you.

00:22:17.060 Thank you for your work

00:22:18.180 and for LifeSite

00:22:19.900 and for communicating the truth

00:22:22.780 when there's so many

00:22:24.620 that are blocking the truth

00:22:27.540 and hate the truth.

00:22:28.920 Thank you for getting the truth

00:22:31.480 to the people.

00:22:33.400 Praise God.

00:22:34.260 Thank you, Father.

00:22:35.360 And God bless all of you.

00:22:36.740 We'll see you next time.

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The John-Henry Westen Show - June 03, 2021

Love is what makes this priest willing to call out unfaithful bishops, even the Pope

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