The John-Henry Westen Show - Meet the Brazilian Catholic exposing the dark money behind Amazon Synod

00:00:00.720 Hello and welcome to this episode of the John Henry Weston Show, coming to you from Rome,

00:00:05.500 where I'm very excited to be with someone from Brazil itself.

00:00:10.160 Brazil, of course, has 64% of the Amazon within Brazil.

00:00:15.060 So our guest today comes from a place where the Amazon is in his backyard.

00:00:21.020 Stay tuned to hear lots about what he's going to tell us about the Amazon.

00:00:30.000 Let's begin, as we always do, with the sign of the cross.

00:00:34.520 In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.

00:00:39.600 I'm going to introduce you today, folks, to Bernardo Kuster,

00:00:43.500 a very famous, popular Catholic journalist YouTuber in Brazil.

00:00:50.640 In fact, the largest YouTuber in Brazil, and just eating up the airwaves online

00:00:56.460 and having just an unbelievable result.

00:01:00.000 Welcome to the show, Bernardo.

00:01:01.320 Thank you, John. Thank you.

00:01:03.040 Good to be with you.

00:01:04.060 I want you to start, if you wouldn't mind, with your faith.

00:01:07.560 You're a Catholic journalist.

00:01:09.000 Yeah.

00:01:09.560 What brought you to this kind of faith?

00:01:12.000 I heard you weren't Catholic to start with.

00:01:13.980 I was baptized when I was, I don't know, three months I was baptized.

00:01:18.100 But then I was not well-cateclyzed.

00:01:23.360 So that's a problem in Brazil. 0.97

00:01:26.080 The Catholicism is horrible. 0.99

00:01:28.200 And then I became an atheist, like agnostic mostly, a communist, a Trotskist. 0.99

00:01:35.320 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:01:37.040 But for all other situations and reasons, then I became a Baptist, an evangelical.

00:01:42.580 And then after that in 2016, so it's not so far, I became a Catholic and, you know, very, I should say, ready for battle.

00:01:57.760 You know, San Gregory said that those soldiers that abandoned the battle and then returned, mostly, you know, they went to battle, you know, to like to repent or to show repentance from their, you know, their past.

00:02:17.260 Yeah.

00:02:17.620 So I'm one of those soldiers.

00:02:19.520 I'm one of those too.

00:02:20.880 Yeah.

00:02:22.300 From the 11th hour.

00:02:23.740 Yeah.

00:02:24.080 Yeah.

00:02:24.300 And then I became a Catholic because of also the influence and intersection of the centuries of the little flower.

00:02:34.940 Oh, beautiful.

00:02:35.480 Yeah.

00:02:36.120 He just made the rose miracle in my life, the ninth day of the novena.

00:02:41.100 And that was wonderful.

00:02:42.500 It was one of the key moments of my Christian life because I already was, you know, I accepted everything about the Catholicism, the Holy Mary, everything else.

00:02:54.560 But I wasn't sure about the reality of the communion of the saints.

00:02:59.500 So I said to God, I want to prove.

00:03:03.780 I want to see if this is true because I was a Catholic baptized.

00:03:07.540 So a friend of mine, she said, so pray the novena from centuries of the little flower.

00:03:13.900 And I did.

00:03:14.840 And in the ninth day, in a book called Introduction to Christianism, I found the rose.

00:03:21.800 So it was wonderful.

00:03:22.560 And the rose was alive and smelly.

00:03:25.020 It was perfume, rose perfume.

00:03:26.980 Wonderful.

00:03:27.860 And then, okay, I'm okay.

00:03:29.240 I believe in the communion of the saints.

00:03:31.440 So let's go to the battle.

00:03:33.440 And I'm a passion to the truth.

00:03:37.480 The obedience to the truth.

00:03:39.060 This is what moves me.

00:03:40.460 Awesome.

00:03:40.920 So what brings you now to like the spotlight in Brazil?

00:03:44.700 I mean, you only were a convert so little time ago.

00:03:49.120 Yeah, all the years ago.

00:03:50.280 Yeah.

00:03:50.460 You've got a massive following, a Catholic, in Brazil.

00:03:54.300 Yeah.

00:03:54.560 What was that?

00:03:55.340 Almost 800,000 followers on YouTube and other social media are as big as this one.

00:04:02.460 What brings me, what brought me at this situation is before doing this Catholic journalism, so to speak, and analysis, I was concerned about cultural, political, philosophical issues.

00:04:15.980 So because Brazil, we have this big and huge hegemonic movement of the liberals, so leftists.

00:04:24.920 And I was battled with them, you know, but in Londrina, where I live in south of Brazil, near Sao Paulo, so to speak, there was this inter-ecclesial event of the base communities of the church.

00:04:41.060 And this community, historically founded, were responsible to give the mass of the people to the works party.

00:04:56.700 That now they put Lula as president of Brazil, and now he's in jail because of all the crimes he did.

00:05:04.340 And the ecclesial-based communities in Brazil were a very important movement to convince the Catholic masses to vote in this communist party.

00:05:16.460 And so from the 60s, from the 60s to now, we have this leftist movement influencing the church.

00:05:24.760 And so Brazil have this internal movement, but also externally.

00:05:29.060 If you see, for example, the history of the Vatican II, the council, we have one of the most important provinces of bishops there is Don Helder Camara, the red archbishop.

00:05:41.660 And he was one of the responsibles that orientated the bishops to do the catacumbas pact that launched the liberation theology and everything else.

00:05:55.260 He was one of the responsibles.

00:05:56.880 But on the other side, we have the other bishops, conservatives and traditional ones like Don Castro Mayer and Don Geraldo de Prensa Cigol and Plinio de Correa Oliveira.

00:06:08.500 And they were the conservatives.

00:06:10.520 So the traditional Catholics fighting on the other side. 0.59

00:06:13.680 So one day I talked to Professor de Matei and he said, we can say, so to speak, that the Vatican II was a Brazilian council.

00:06:21.880 So I said, that's why it ain't wrong.

00:06:26.100 And now we have again Brazil in the center of the play for this great Amazon Senate.

00:06:34.560 And we have, as you said, 64%, 63% of the Amazon is our property.

00:06:40.280 It's our territory.

00:06:41.160 And we are hearing real fake news about it, even coming from the church.

00:06:48.240 And I'm trying to change this, even in Brazil, because we have a lot of disinformation going, bishops doing this disinformation.

00:06:56.660 So I made a four-hour series of videos and four videos talking about this.

00:07:01.420 And it had a huge impact in the Brazilian church.

00:07:06.420 Also, in Rome, I heard that some cardinals are very worried with my presence in Rome.

00:07:12.540 So I think this is good.

00:07:14.420 Well, praise God.

00:07:15.720 It's great to get the truth out there and expose really the fake news.

00:07:20.140 And I think this is the thing.

00:07:22.060 When you have, right now, there is a move to foister, to force on the rest of the church,

00:07:28.260 massive change that goes against the faith, all because, with the excuse of the Amazon region,

00:07:35.560 the indigenous people in the Amazon and the Amazon itself.

00:07:38.600 But there is some very disturbing things going on.

00:07:42.800 Because, to be honest, I think it's using the Amazon and the people of the Amazon to change the church,

00:07:50.000 which is hurting the people of the Amazon as well.

00:07:53.520 So preventing them to go to heaven.

00:07:55.260 Well, exactly.

00:07:55.900 That's the point.

00:07:56.540 So, what would you say are the pieces of fake news being shared?

00:08:02.000 Just the top three or so, three or four pieces of fake news.

00:08:05.100 First, this also, for example, Cardinal Humes, who is the general reporter of the Synod,

00:08:11.740 they say, okay, we have a big territory, huge, bigger than Europe, in Amazon.

00:08:18.740 We have, we do not have the sufficient number of priests to give people communion and the Holy Communion and everything else.

00:08:26.700 But, you see, we have, for example, Don Irving Crawler is a bishop in Amazon.

00:08:35.060 He said, in a German journal, that he never, in 25 years, baptized an Indian and he's never going to do it.

00:08:43.120 So, he's not concerned about sacraments.

00:08:46.180 Right.

00:08:46.600 So, this is, just so that everybody's clear.

00:08:48.480 Yeah.

00:08:48.680 This is a Catholic bishop in the Amazon that lived all his life there.

00:08:55.360 Right.

00:08:55.720 So, he's boasting about never having baptized.

00:09:01.240 Now, baptism is that sacrament that makes us Catholic and gives us sanctifying life and enables us to get to heaven.

00:09:08.720 He's boasting about having never baptized.

00:09:11.680 And he said, I'm not going to do it.

00:09:14.720 Yeah.

00:09:15.160 And he's boasting now because this is, for them, interfering in their culture.

00:09:21.320 But, you see, we have to just step back for a second and see that all these bishops come from the tradition of the liberation theology.

00:09:31.200 And the liberation theology traditionally concerns with the poor, have their concern with the poor, the preferential option of the poor.

00:09:40.820 I mean, but when you read, for example, the main author, Gustavo Gutierrez, which was or is in Rome right now,

00:09:50.200 he said that the liberation theology is the critical reflection about the praxis.

00:09:56.640 Praxis is a Marxist term to speak of a revolutionary movement, political movement, a reading course.

00:10:04.440 And he said that the diversion to theology was the reflection, the thinking about this movement.

00:10:10.620 And at that time, in the 60s, 70s, they were thinking about movements in Brazil, in Chile, in El Salvador.

00:10:18.000 And the poor were in the game.

00:10:20.280 But now, as they were refuted by, for example, the Libertatis Nuncius, right, wrote by Cardinal Ratzinger at the time in 84,

00:10:33.640 their excuse to use the poor ended.

00:10:37.060 So they had to change argument, change issue, change the praxis, the object of the reflection.

00:10:43.620 So now, for some, is the LGBT movement, the Negroes or the Indigenous or the Earth.

00:10:53.540 Why not?

00:10:54.640 Because they call themselves now eco-socialists.

00:10:59.360 That's how they call themselves.

00:11:01.580 So it's a new argument for the same idea, to use the church for, I don't know what, kind of revolutionary movement.

00:11:09.760 This is what we need to understand first.

00:11:12.040 And so, the main fake news they're spreading, for example, they are concerned with the sacraments.

00:11:17.460 They're not, because they're not concerned about baptizing people.

00:11:20.580 And they say, we don't have enough priests in Amazon. 0.88

00:11:24.700 Okay, but what caused this low number of priests in Amazon?

00:11:31.100 You did, with the liberation theology.

00:11:33.760 You ended vocations in seminary.

00:11:36.560 You distracted everything.

00:11:37.760 And now you say, we have to ordain women or married Indigenous people, which, I don't know, it's not going to work, to solve a problem you have created.

00:11:50.420 So what do we have to do to change things in the church?

00:11:53.940 No, we have to return before the error and do the things how we have done for 2,000 years.

00:11:59.960 That's the problem.

00:12:00.660 And so, oh, for example, the Amazon is burning.

00:12:04.100 That's a lie, because everybody who lives in Brazil knows that this time in August and September is a time when the weather is very, very dry.

00:12:14.140 And so it's very easy for the trees to exponentially starting to burn.

00:12:23.480 And we have a lot of winds this time, so it spreads very, very fast.

00:12:28.700 And there is a cultural habit between the Indigenous and those people who live near the rivers to burn the field, to open space to new little towns, new little villages, and to plant some, you know, crops and everything else. 0.61

00:12:48.420 And their habit, and sometimes this fire just, you know, spreads without control.

00:12:53.600 And so this is the third line to tell.

00:12:57.800 Another one, for example, is that they are just reflecting an Indigenous theology.

00:13:06.540 So just think for a moment, John.

00:13:09.980 Is this theology produced by Indigenous people?

00:13:13.800 Not.

00:13:14.580 Because you don't have not one man there, which is born there, born there doing theology.

00:13:22.520 We have European theologies doing that, mostly German.

00:13:27.720 And we know why.

00:13:30.700 Doing theology for the Indigenous. 0.96

00:13:34.560 And in their name, as Leonardo Boff, Gutierrez, and everybody else from Liberation Theology did, in the name of the poor.

00:13:44.500 And used the poor to their political movement.

00:13:48.440 So they're trying to use, again, the Church for their political motives.

00:13:54.240 Yeah.

00:13:54.640 Yeah.

00:13:55.280 Now, this is an amazing thing, because let's focus, let's go back to Kautler for a second.

00:13:59.660 Yeah.

00:14:00.720 Kautler not only is a bishop in Brazil, and who came out to say he's never baptized, he's never going to baptize.

00:14:07.720 But he's also one of the authors of the Instrumentum of Lawyers.

00:14:12.480 Yes.

00:14:12.780 Yes.

00:14:13.460 The authors of the working document that is now being used, which was approved by the Pope, by the way, and called apostasy by Cardinals Burke and Kajmina, and is now being used for everybody to work on.

00:14:28.820 This is impossible.

00:14:30.520 Like a fair basis to discuss.

00:14:32.620 It is not.

00:14:33.160 But I think your point is so perfect, when you said that they say they're concerned about getting the sacraments to these people, so we need more priests now, for we have to ordain women, and married indigenous people, married men, and they're not willing to baptize the same guys? 0.97

00:14:52.460 How can they be concerned about the sacraments?

00:14:54.260 By the way, in Catholic teaching, you can't receive any of the sacraments if you don't receive baptism, and they're unwilling to baptize.

00:15:00.240 It's incredible.

00:15:00.980 So it's fake news from the start to the finish.

00:15:04.420 It's absolutely.

00:15:05.540 Yeah, coming from the hierarchy.

00:15:06.880 That's the problem.

00:15:08.240 Yeah.

00:15:08.400 Absolutely.

00:15:09.100 And unfortunately, we have this situation where it seems the Pope has been not paying attention or doing this somehow, regardless of these facts, and they're out there in the public view.

00:15:21.120 Yeah.

00:15:21.280 That connection that nobody seems to have been putting together, that the same bishop, Kautla, is saying he hasn't baptized, he's not going to baptize, and yet they're concerned by the sacraments.

00:15:32.580 It's just incredible.

00:15:33.480 Yeah.

00:15:33.600 And also, just a point, John.

00:15:36.300 They say, these people need the Holy Eucharist.

00:15:39.700 They need that.

00:15:40.320 The Eucharist.

00:15:40.920 The Eucharist.

00:15:41.720 Yeah.

00:15:42.360 They said they need that.

00:15:43.460 But they also say, in the working document, the Instrumentum Laboris, they say, we can start to begin to use other forms of rites and everything else to minister the Holy Eucharist to the people of Amazon.

00:15:59.340 So, they want to use, like, maniocca, you say in English.

00:16:04.180 Yeah?

00:16:04.740 Maniocca.

00:16:05.400 Oh, maniocca.

00:16:06.660 Maniocca.

00:16:07.060 Different type of bread.

00:16:08.020 Yeah.

00:16:08.200 So, they want to change all the elements.

00:16:11.200 So, they don't want to use bread and wine.

00:16:13.280 They just use, I don't know, other things that you have in Amazon.

00:16:16.640 So, maybe cocoa, you know.

00:16:19.240 Right.

00:16:19.700 Which would invalidate.

00:16:21.260 Yeah.

00:16:21.780 Completely.

00:16:22.620 Because that's the thing in Catholic theology, in Catholic teaching, in Catholic truth, beyond the church.

00:16:26.500 So, in the canonic, right, you have to.

00:16:28.120 It has to be.

00:16:29.560 Yeah.

00:16:29.840 It has to be bread and wine.

00:16:31.500 Yeah.

00:16:31.840 So, that would invalidate it right there.

00:16:34.580 The most bizarre things.

00:16:36.520 But I know why now people are paying attention to you and why I think you're a pain to a lot of people as well.

00:16:41.760 Yeah, yeah.

00:16:42.260 And also, you see, I remember, of course, I don't like, and I think he's a horrible person, Saul Walensky. 0.93

00:16:49.780 He's a devil one.

00:16:51.720 But he said something that reflects what these people do.

00:16:55.920 He said the issue is never the issue.

00:16:58.840 And this is how these people think.

00:17:00.820 They say we have to give the sacraments.

00:17:03.360 But is it that true?

00:17:05.040 No.

00:17:05.680 They want to use the pretext of the sacraments to change the church and to destroy it.

00:17:10.840 So, if they want to change the church completely in terms of government and sacraments and theology, why they do not go to the 9,000 Protestants, I don't know, denominations or abominations, how I call it. 0.76

00:17:26.040 Why do they don't go there?

00:17:28.100 Why do they want to stay here and destroy our church?

00:17:31.860 That's the question.

00:17:33.360 What's their intention behind this?

00:17:35.920 So, I think we have to take a closer look to the German Conference of Bishops, to the money that comes from the international foundations.

00:17:49.920 We have to play a closer look to the international foundations that are interested in Amazon and everything else.

00:17:58.440 Because I think there is this ecclesiological aspect.

00:18:02.200 But I think also we have a geopolitical issue that is not in the public discussion until now.

00:18:10.380 What is that?

00:18:11.960 So, you're saying that there are kind of business interests at play?

00:18:15.580 Completely.

00:18:16.560 Really?

00:18:17.120 With the church and sort of the church colluding with this.

00:18:20.700 The church in Brazil, the church in Germany.

00:18:23.020 Yeah.

00:18:23.560 There's a lot of money coming to the Vatican from the church in Germany.

00:18:27.600 Yeah.

00:18:27.800 You know that they get a tax from the people.

00:18:30.560 And so, it's a very, very wealthy church.

00:18:33.300 Yeah.

00:18:33.540 It's the wealthiest, I think.

00:18:34.780 I think so.

00:18:35.580 Yeah.

00:18:36.100 Perhaps challenged by America sometimes.

00:18:38.260 But it's unbelievable.

00:18:39.800 So, there's a lot of power.

00:18:41.280 When Cardinal Marx comes to sort of lobby at the Vatican, he has a lot of sway because there's a lot of money being exchanged.

00:18:49.440 So, what are these business interests?

00:18:52.160 Okay.

00:18:52.800 This is something I discovered just a few weeks ago.

00:18:56.460 Because when I started to investigate this thing called RIPAM, it's the Ecclesiological Network in the Pan-Amazonic, RIPAM in Portuguese.

00:19:07.120 And this network congregates a lot of other organizations, ONGs and NGOs and other corporation organizations in the Amazon that take care of the indigenous.

00:19:23.240 And I started to look at these organizations that helped this organization called RIPAM, collecting the information in Amazon to build the preparatory document that was the basis to write the instrumentum laboris, the working document.

00:19:41.500 So, we have two documents.

00:19:42.600 Yeah.

00:19:42.700 And so, you know, it's this bad habit, it's a good one, always to check if some organization, NGO, receives money from the main international foundations, progresists and liberal ones like Rockefeller, MacArthur, Ford Foundation, Open Society Foundations.

00:20:04.960 And I just took a look at the Ford Foundation that has a great interest in Brazil, always had.

00:20:13.700 Since the beginning.

00:20:15.360 And I looked at, for example, we have our Caritas, which is, you know, to take care of the poor, to help the needed.

00:20:24.200 And they received, according to Ford's website, they received more than $820,000 in a gap of seven, eight years from Ford Foundation.

00:20:37.680 So, we have to remember that Caritas was the responsible for the foundation of RIPAM, which is the responsible for the writing of the working document.

00:20:49.300 And who is responsible for RIPAM, the Cardinal Humes, the general reporter.

00:20:54.960 And so, we have also the CIMI, which is a Brazilian organization, which is the Indigenous Missionary Council.

00:21:03.720 They received from Ford Foundation up to more than $1.4 million, which in our currency, you have to multiply by 4.5.

00:21:13.960 So, we have six, seven millions AIs, which are our currency, receiving from Ford Foundation.

00:21:22.260 And you have to think that Ford Foundation finances abortion, feminism, gender ideology, and all anti-human, anti-Catholic agendas.

00:21:33.980 So, what's the interest of these people trying to influence all these organizations?

00:21:42.500 I have just cited for you two or three, but I have a lot of them.

00:21:48.100 And what's their interest?

00:21:50.520 Because we have also the interest, for example, of Norway.

00:21:54.100 They invested $250 million in Colombia in rainforest projects to influence the environmental development there.

00:22:09.300 And we also have the money from the German Conference of Bishops.

00:22:15.920 What I'm saying, to make the long story short,

00:22:18.940 this money, mainly from Ford Foundation, Norway, and France, other countries,

00:22:25.440 comes, this money comes from big organizations.

00:22:29.340 And big organizations have interests in big things.

00:22:32.540 And what we have in Amazon.

00:22:34.160 When people look at Amazon, they see big trees, big river, and big animals.

00:22:39.400 Because we have.

00:22:41.200 But that's not where the treasure lies.

00:22:45.540 The treasure lies beneath the soil.

00:22:47.040 So, we have a lot of minerals.

00:22:50.520 One member of the current government said that we have more or less, just an educated gas.

00:22:59.020 We have 23 trillions of dollars there.

00:23:03.920 So, it's a lot.

00:23:05.760 This is educated gas.

00:23:07.080 We're not sure.

00:23:07.840 These things are very complicated to measure.

00:23:09.860 So, we have a lot of riches in minerals and biodiversity.

00:23:13.180 So, you have a great international interest.

00:23:18.200 Because one of the proposals in the working document is to use the church, as I see it,

00:23:26.460 as another way of doing propaganda to internationalize this little and small indigenous community.

00:23:36.020 And think with me.

00:23:39.120 If you are a big company, international one, or, I don't know, another government, Norway, for example,

00:23:45.440 it's easier to negotiate with the Brazilian state or a small indigenous town.

00:23:50.840 You see where the problem lies.

00:23:55.520 So, if you have 23 trillion dollars there, 25, 250 millions, it's nothing.

00:24:01.020 It's investment.

00:24:02.840 You see?

00:24:03.580 So, this is the issue.

00:24:04.740 So, why would Ford Foundation, that receives money from companies and big donators, why would they invest in Amazon?

00:24:13.360 To take care of the indigenous, the poor people. 1.00

00:24:15.320 They are not taking care of the poor people in Brazil.

00:24:17.800 Because we have more poor people in the Northeast.

00:24:22.140 We have much more there.

00:24:25.100 But many more poor people there.

00:24:26.640 But why don't they go there?

00:24:28.120 We don't have their money there.

00:24:29.480 We have their money in Amazon.

00:24:30.700 So, the thing, I think, is they want to internationalize this small group of unprotected and vulnerable indigenous people

00:24:43.020 that must be cared, evangelized, everything else.

00:24:47.000 But they want to internationalize them because it's easier to negotiate.

00:24:52.640 So, these small groups of indigenous, we have more than 300 of them in the Amazon, they are influenced by these NGOs paid from them.

00:25:09.060 So, they pay the NGOs and they want to negotiate with them.

00:25:12.840 So, they do the both ways.

00:25:15.760 They go top to bottom and bottom up.

00:25:19.120 Amazing.

00:25:19.780 You see.

00:25:20.300 And this is such corruption.

00:25:23.940 It really is.

00:25:25.840 Corruption is actually trying to steal a nation's wealth.

00:25:29.460 Yeah.

00:25:30.080 And yet, some of the people in the church, the left in the church, seems to be right in bed with this agenda.

00:25:36.640 What are the church leadership who are corrupt getting out of this deal?

00:25:43.320 I think they're getting money.

00:25:45.340 I say that with sour, in my soul, but I think they're getting money.

00:25:51.480 They're getting influence.

00:25:53.280 They're getting properties.

00:25:54.640 They're getting space, maybe in the church, maybe space which is being bought.

00:25:59.460 I don't know.

00:26:00.320 We have to speculate these things.

00:26:01.760 But I think that they're getting this kind of thing.

00:26:05.340 Because when you see people that are very important, like Leonardo Boff, which is the main ecotheologist,

00:26:13.780 I made a video about him showing that in a gap of 10 years, the Brazilian government, when it was a leftist government,

00:26:23.940 they paid him for conferences, blah, blah, blah, like dollars, like $5 million, the government paid him to make a lot of conferences.

00:26:35.180 And I showed in my video all the contracts, everything else, in government's website.

00:26:41.080 And now he started to sue me.

00:26:43.480 No.

00:26:44.020 Because I exposed him.

00:26:45.280 Because he's the defensor of the poor.

00:26:47.220 And I said, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:26:48.440 What you did with this money?

00:26:49.740 And so he said, I'm, you know, I'm being intolerant, hate speech in person.

00:26:59.840 Unbelievable.

00:27:00.760 Yeah, yeah.

00:27:01.360 I'm sure you just, you heard that too about yourself.

00:27:06.860 The way it goes.

00:27:08.080 Yeah.

00:27:08.820 To speak to that.

00:27:09.880 Now, you're called intolerant, you're called a hater.

00:27:12.460 Yeah, always.

00:27:13.560 But there's a problem with that.

00:27:15.540 You know, okay, let's unpack what your real agenda is.

00:27:21.100 Yeah.

00:27:21.540 What is Bernardo's agenda with regard to exposing these things?

00:27:27.240 Why?

00:27:27.820 Do you hate Cardinal Claudio Rumes?

00:27:31.120 Do you hate Leonardo Boff?

00:27:33.740 Or why are you doing this?

00:27:35.660 John, I want to be very clear.

00:27:37.580 Friedrich Nietzsche said that if you cannot despise, you cannot respect.

00:27:46.180 I despise them.

00:27:47.800 This is true.

00:27:48.840 Because I know, if I don't despise, for example, a murderer, how I'm going to respect a person

00:27:54.900 that preserves lives and fights against abortion?

00:27:56.860 So we have to have the sense of proportion here.

00:27:59.120 So I despise them.

00:28:00.600 I don't hate them.

00:28:01.680 Okay.

00:28:01.860 Jesus said, love your enemy.

00:28:05.240 And what is, you know, behind this phrase?

00:28:10.040 If you are to love your enemy, you have to identify someone as your enemy.

00:28:16.680 Right.

00:28:17.440 So, and I know they're my enemy and enemy of the church.

00:28:21.160 Right.

00:28:21.380 Not because of their thinking, because I don't know what their intention is, but because of

00:28:25.640 their acts.

00:28:26.300 Their acts show us that they are not working with the church, but against the church principles,

00:28:33.680 2000 years principles.

00:28:34.800 So, what I'm doing, I'm just exposing facts and exposing the truth.

00:28:41.200 Because frequently, on a daily basis, we hear only a half truth or a piece of the truth.

00:28:49.540 That's true.

00:28:50.560 But it's not the whole truth.

00:28:51.920 That's the problem.

00:28:52.780 Because Cardinal Hatzinger, at the time, he was a cardinal, he said that the liberation

00:28:58.940 theology is like a truth that went crazy, you know, like a meta-truth.

00:29:06.440 And he was right because they take some element of truth.

00:29:10.820 For example, we have the problem with indigenous people and they are not being evangelized totally,

00:29:16.440 for example.

00:29:17.180 This is true.

00:29:18.120 But how do we solve the problem?

00:29:19.700 So they propose the wrong way.

00:29:21.120 So they use the truth and they show us the wrong options.

00:29:25.440 So we have to discuss that.

00:29:28.220 So, as I said, the issue is never the issue.

00:29:32.000 So what's the main motivation?

00:29:33.860 Why I work in the morning, I wake up in the morning and do this, is obedience to the truth.

00:29:38.620 This is what moves me.

00:29:40.360 And the truth himself is God.

00:29:43.920 He said, I am the truth.

00:29:45.840 So in showing my love to God, my respect to him, and I want also to undo all the evil that I did when I was a Trotskyist and a processer.

00:29:56.600 So I have to pay, you know, for that, all the wrong deeds I made in the past.

00:30:04.040 So, and I want to obey the truth and to show people the truth.

00:30:08.940 You know, I never speculate too much.

00:30:12.600 I talk to people and I say, this, this, this, this, the responsible is this person, this person, and the possibility are these.

00:30:23.400 This is enough.

00:30:24.780 As we say in Italy, basta.

00:30:26.180 When people conclude, they can conclude for themselves.

00:30:29.740 Right. 0.99

00:30:29.840 You're not talking to dumb people, right? 0.99

00:30:31.820 You know, what is your ultimate, um, um, thing? 0.98

00:30:36.860 Because you, you said in, in English, at least in American thought, there's not that definition of despise and hate.

00:30:43.100 Yeah.

00:30:43.700 The difference isn't that clear.

00:30:45.440 What's the difference and what is your ultimate hope for these people, I guess?

00:30:51.060 Um, okay.

00:30:52.660 This, um, difference between despise and hate.

00:30:55.960 Despise is not to appreciate the person.

00:30:59.000 Okay.

00:30:59.200 I don't appreciate it.

00:31:00.240 I don't want to be their friend.

00:31:01.740 I want them to convert. 0.97

00:31:03.460 I want them to go to heaven and be in the presence of God, having the, the beatific vision of God, presence of God.

00:31:11.580 This is our ultimate goal.

00:31:14.140 Well, Jesus said, go everywhere and preach the gospel, teach these people, baptize them.

00:31:20.460 They don't want to teach.

00:31:21.820 They don't want to evangelize.

00:31:22.800 They don't want to, these people to go to heaven.

00:31:25.660 Yeah.

00:31:25.780 So, uh, my main goal is to, uh, through the, the, the, the, the presenting through this, this method of presenting truth, uh, truth some way, some ways, sometimes, actually, sometimes in a very fun way, because I do some jokes in my videos.

00:31:43.740 But presenting people truth, and truth also, uh, has the great power to take people to God.

00:31:52.780 Mm-hmm.

00:31:53.340 To even your enemies.

00:31:54.580 Yeah, yeah, there was a priest in my town that he made this very bizarre message in his church, in his parish, and I made a video that talked about him, and then he stopped that, and I think he's created now.

00:32:12.580 Yeah.

00:32:12.720 He changed?

00:32:13.320 Yeah.

00:32:13.540 And I have, I have daily basis, a lot of 10, 20 males, the people telling me, thank you for putting me again in the, in the way, returning to the Catholic church, or I, I converted myself to Catholic church because of your defending the faith.

00:32:27.640 Okay. So, San Vincenzo Palotti, which is the, the patron of the Lacey, the layman, uh, he said that we need to defend it, the, the, the truth, and, uh, renew, uh, the charity, love.

00:32:42.280 So, this is how I work. So, I want to despise these people, so, not considering them as, oh my God, and not to respect them too much, they don't need that.

00:32:52.140 So, I'm not going to, to curse them, or to beat them, but I'm, I'm not going to lie, and say they are wonderful people. 0.98

00:32:59.460 Oh, I'm going to say, you are a bad bishop. You are. So, you are a coward. Yes, you are. You do not govern the church, you don't sanctify your people, and you don't teach. 0.98

00:33:08.120 You do politics, and you are selling the Amazon to foreign countries. So, this is your blame. I respect you because you are a bishop, because if you were, yeah, I wouldn't respect you.

00:33:21.120 So, I think this is a sober position. It seems, for some people, like, I hate position, because what should I, what should be a position, if, uh, regarding a person, for example, Johnny, who are in your house with their children, with their children in your life, and a guy is entering your house, telling you that he's going to take care of your children.

00:33:41.840 When you go out, you just look at the window outside your house, and you see that they are, you know, pitching their children, he's poking them, he's cursing them.

00:33:51.640 What are you going to do? You're going to rent your house, and you're going to tell bad things about that person. You are, are you lying?

00:33:57.780 No, we're going to say, oh my God, let's discuss your, your conduct here. No, you are a bad person. You are breaking the rules of my house. Get out. 1.00

00:34:06.640 Yeah, absolutely. And you know what, we have a saying in America, we call it tough love.

00:34:15.760 Yes, tough love. 0.94

00:34:16.640 It's tough love for even bishops, who are supposed to be our fathers in the faith, but when they're fathers that abuse the kids, sometimes brothers got to stand up and go, that's just wrong.

00:34:28.040 Yeah, and people need to know, for example, that St. Thomas Aquinas said in his Summa Theologica, he said, if there is a public and great danger to the faith, the faithfuls have the right, sometimes the duty, to question their superiors, even publicly, he says.

00:34:51.380 Yeah. So that's our duty. Amazing. What are your thoughts about the Synod's outcome? Where do you think this is going? How far do you think they'll go? It's just in the midst right now.

00:35:04.040 Yeah. And what are we going to get out of this?

00:35:06.660 I think we have two steps. So we have now all the discussions that are going to happen and we have the second moment, which is most probably Pope is going to, Pope Francis is going to write the Apostolic Encyclica, the Post-Synodal Encyclica.

00:35:24.660 The Exhortation. The Exhortation, actually. Sorry. Exhortation. I think the Synod is going to propose not all these absurdities in the instrumental numbers, they're going to pick them, all the not so polemic ones.

00:35:41.140 And then the Pope, I think he's going, I think the baddest thing that he could do, and I think maybe he will do because he said that in a plane, he said that he could open a possibility of perversion of married priests in isolated places.

00:36:04.420 He said that in a plane. I have the video. And so I think that is a possibility, but ordaining women, I'm not going to, I think they're not going, he's not going to approve that. 1.00

00:36:16.960 And I think he will some way, consciously, unconsciously, contribute positively to this agenda of internationalizing these indigenous people.

00:36:27.800 I think he is going to be one of the outcomes. And why I'm saying that he's not going to permit this, and I'm saying that the Synod is not going to propose all of these heretical positions.

00:36:42.000 There is a technique of changing people's behavior that was exposed in a book of Pascal Bernardin called Maquiave au Pedagogue.

00:36:54.080 Yeah, it's a very good book. He's a French researcher, and he shows that there is a technique of changing behavior called foot at the door.

00:37:04.260 So what do you do? For example, I'm in your house, and I lock your door, and I say, John, I want to, I need to put a very big billboard here in front of your house.

00:37:15.780 You know, it's going to block our view, but think of the, I don't know, mayor who wants to do it.

00:37:22.680 You say, oh my God, this is absurd, I'm not going to do this. No, no, no, please don't.

00:37:26.040 They say, okay, I'm just going to put a, I don't know, a chart here, a tour door. Can I put it here?

00:37:33.680 Okay, okay, if it is that size, it's okay. You see, so you make a very strong, sort of a ridiculous proposal. 0.98

00:37:46.320 A ridiculous proposal, perfect. So you make a ridiculous proposal, the person gets frightened, and you say, okay, so just this. 0.98

00:37:53.500 I did that when I was a child. Yeah, I was at school, and after the test, my mom said, oh, so how did it go? 0.78

00:38:02.860 I said, oh, I got an F. Oh my God, I said, it's just F plus. I said, oh, it's not so bad.

00:38:11.020 You see, it's just like that. I think it's going to be something like that. We're going to see, oh, okay, it's not doing ordaining women,

00:38:17.860 they're not changing the Eucharistic, but okay, they're permitting married priests, you see, but we cannot

00:38:28.660 change our conviction that we are not going to fall for this kind of game, in a way.

00:38:37.700 Amazing. Yeah, we have to be aware, like a snake. Jesus said that. Yeah.

00:38:43.220 Meek as the doves and wisest subjects. Yeah. Very good. Well, let's close off with your advice

00:38:51.860 for Catholics, Catholic young people to stick with their faith. What would you say? 0.92

00:38:58.020 Very simple. Four things. As I say in my conferences, I always say that. Please, have a very serious and daily

00:39:06.900 praying life and liturgical, sacramental life. So, pray as the end would and tomorrow.

00:39:15.700 And have your sacraments as the first time.

00:39:18.980 So, go with that love, having the Eucharistic and the Eucharistic. So, we have to believe each day,

00:39:26.020 each time that Jesus is there completely, totally. This is the first step, because if you don't have that,

00:39:32.980 if you are in a state of grace, aren't in a state of grace, you have, you do not have the seed of

00:39:37.380 the sanctification yourself. So, your Christian life, your Catholic life is nothing, just an emptiness. 0.96

00:39:43.140 So, if you're not, you have to confess. First step. And then second step, a life, a life of studies.

00:39:51.060 But you say, okay, Bernardo, I have 25 kids, I cannot study. I say, close yourself in a bathroom, half an hour

00:39:56.500 a day, and study. You can't do that. So, go to a park or stop in your lunchtime, study half an hour a day,

00:40:03.460 take the Catechism or a book of St. Thomas Aquinas or something else, study that. It's going to do very

00:40:09.140 well for your soul and your sanctification, knowledge. Because Jesus said that we have to

00:40:13.940 love God in all our heart, mind. So, we cannot adore and love God with our mind. So, this is important.

00:40:24.100 Three, have a life in communion with other people, because they're going to help you with their

00:40:28.580 problems. So, for example, I'm here in Rome, and my family is like 10,000 kilometers here. So,

00:40:39.220 what do I ask if my sister, for example, has a problem there? I call my friends, because my father

00:40:43.780 is in another city. If I have a problem myself there, with someone, somebody is pursuing me,

00:40:49.780 want to make me harm, doing some harm to me, I call them. They can help me in prayer. They can help me

00:40:56.820 with some intellectual problem. They can be with me in some hard problem. I don't know if I lose my

00:41:03.060 mother, for example, they can help me. So, this is important. And four, have an apologetical life.

00:41:10.340 This is the last step. So, if you do not accomplish the three, the first three, you cannot do an

00:41:16.100 apologetical life. So, defend the truth and announce and try to renew the charity, the true

00:41:22.740 Christian charity. This is the most important thing, John.

00:41:28.820 Absolutely beautiful. Bernardo, thank you so much for being with us. I thank you for this show.

00:41:33.380 Thank you. Thank you very much. May God bless you. That's all. And all of you at home, check out

00:41:37.780 Bernardo on YouTube. Yeah. And I think you'll really enjoy it. It is in Portuguese though. Yeah,

00:41:43.940 some videos are translated in English. You have to put their subtitle in English. Some videos we have

00:41:50.660 there. Yeah. Very good. Okay. Thanks for being with us. Thank you very much. And God bless you all. Till next time.

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The John-Henry Westen Show - October 22, 2019

Meet the Brazilian Catholic exposing the dark money behind Amazon Synod

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