The John-Henry Westen Show - July 05, 2022


Meet the Opus Dei priest Pope Francis banned from saying Mass

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Father's priestly death persecution and priesthood
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Pope Francis Pope Benedict Mother Mary John Paul II Opus Dei Jesus Mary Missigbeto Amoris Laetitia Jesus Christ John Henry Patris Yanni Lady
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In this episode of The John Henry Weston Show, Father Jesus Mary Misigbeto, a priest in the Ivory Coast, joins us to talk about his concerns with Pope Francis, and why he writes to the Pope about them.

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00:00:00.000 LifeSite readers probably have seen the name of Father Jesus Mary Misigbeto.
00:00:05.280 He's the priest of Opus Dei who has been heavily sanctioned by the Vatican
00:00:09.540 for writing to Pope Francis his concerns about what Pope Francis has been doing
00:00:15.900 to the detriment, to the great detriment of the Church.
00:00:19.300 It's a very interesting inside look at a priest in West Africa, in the Ivory Coast,
00:00:26.380 and you're good to get to see him here.
00:00:28.100 However, stay tuned for this episode of The John Henry Weston Show.
00:00:50.000 Father Jesus Mary, thank you for joining us.
00:00:52.280 Thank you. Thank you very much.
00:00:53.720 Let's begin, as we always do, with the sign of the cross. Father, if you could lead us.
00:00:56.560 In nomine Patris, the Spirit of the Spirit of the Sancti. Amen.
00:01:00.520 Amen.
00:01:02.040 Thank you so much, Father.
00:01:03.880 You are sort of in the midst of controversy right now because, well, your story is becoming
00:01:10.580 very well known in that you've chosen to speak out.
00:01:15.200 What were, first of all, your motivations for speaking out?
00:01:18.820 First of all, I want to apologize to your followers because my English is not very good, so I will
00:01:27.280 do my best.
00:01:28.700 I'm a French native speaker, so I will do my best to make me understood.
00:01:34.200 My motivation is very simple, very simple.
00:01:37.160 So, we are Catholics.
00:01:39.620 We are priests.
00:01:42.620 I have many people, many friends who are faithful Catholics, and we are surprised with the teaching
00:01:51.500 coming from the Vatican.
00:01:54.060 As you know, with John Paul II and Pope Benedict, things are clear.
00:01:59.860 But now we see a lack of ambiguity.
00:02:03.780 Responses are not clear.
00:02:05.400 Answers are strange.
00:02:08.000 So, in the beginning, we don't believe that something wrong was happening since 2013, the
00:02:19.380 beginning of the pontificate of Pope Francis.
00:02:23.180 And when we arrived to 2016, we were deeply surprised with Amoris Laetitia and so on.
00:02:32.840 The year after, I think the most high level was in 2020 with the declaration of Pope Francis
00:02:44.920 about sexual co-existent laws.
00:02:47.040 It was incredible, because it's something very dangerous for families, for the church
00:02:55.420 itself, for the vocations, vocation for priesthood, vocation for religious life, the education
00:03:02.580 of the children.
00:03:04.860 So many consequences, so many.
00:03:07.280 Terrorism against Christians, because the Muslims didn't identify the Catholic religion 1.00
00:03:14.780 with the perversion of some European people.
00:03:17.720 So they think that Christianism is equal to Europe.
00:03:23.120 So if Pope Francis is permitting or allowing same-sex union laws, they receive the Catholic 1.00
00:03:32.540 Church in the same group with all the perversion of the European nation. 0.94
00:03:38.740 That's actually very interesting, because these sort of unforeseen, perhaps, consequences of
00:03:47.260 getting together with the worldly ideology, perhaps, you know, is unforeseen.
00:03:52.860 So in Africa, a lot of the countries where there is Muslim rule, the Catholic Church might
00:04:00.140 have been previously seen as at least supporting the normal family order, and thus the ruling
00:04:07.560 powers wouldn't see it as a threat to the family.
00:04:10.620 But with Pope Francis going down the road of recognizing same-sex civil unions, in fact,
00:04:16.580 almost encouraging them legally, then you get a threat to the state, at least perceived
00:04:22.860 so as so by Muslim governments.
00:04:27.260 And so that would be a threat to the family, thus a threat to society.
00:04:31.220 And perhaps then it's the Catholic Church, per se, bringing in sort of these Western ideals
00:04:37.920 of, you know, homosexuality, which, of course, is abhorred in much of Africa, especially in
00:04:44.560 Muslim Africa.
00:04:45.380 My motivation is very simple.
00:04:47.100 The Vatican has to speak clearly and follow the traditional path of the Church, not go
00:04:58.220 out, because the tradition is the preservation of the truth, and it's the way, the most
00:05:08.120 sure way to go to heaven.
00:05:10.620 So this is my motivation, to help Pope Francis understand that it's better to follow the path
00:05:19.700 of St. John Paul II and Pope Benedict, and all the St. Pops we have.
00:05:27.300 There are many, there are so many.
00:05:28.820 So Pope Francis has to follow the path of these Holy Pops. 0.94
00:05:35.220 For doing what you've done, for being willing to speak out, to, in very much love, anyone
00:05:42.600 who reads your letters to the Pope recognizes that you love the Pope, and you're doing this
00:05:48.460 for his good.
00:05:49.300 I love him too much, too much, too much, John Henry.
00:05:53.440 It's, I could tell you, if I have the possibility to meet Pope Francis, I will kiss him.
00:06:01.980 I will say, please, you have to rectify, you have to rectify, or you must rectify.
00:06:09.340 I think must is most, is strong in English.
00:06:13.000 You must rectify, because it's very important to follow the path, the traditional path in 0.59
00:06:18.160 the Church, because it's the path of the truth.
00:06:20.540 In the Church, go out this path, we are in danger.
00:06:24.780 Tell us a little bit about yourself.
00:06:26.320 How long have you been a priest?
00:06:27.920 What's your story?
00:06:29.040 How did you come to the priesthood?
00:06:30.980 If you could just summarize for us.
00:06:32.800 Things begin, I will say, at my 13.
00:06:36.420 My father told me, my mother too, when we come back from the Mass, and I also, I remember,
00:06:43.620 later I remember, Yanni, they're very true.
00:06:46.280 When we came back from the Mass, I used to, I used to reproduce what happened in, in the
00:06:55.100 Church, at home, with my brothers and my sisters.
00:06:59.580 So I think that it comes, it's something which comes naturally, yes, little by little.
00:07:06.720 And at my 15th, my father put me in touch with a friend, a friend of our family.
00:07:13.980 He's a priest of Benin, West Africa Republic, yes.
00:07:17.780 My 17th, I met Opus Dei.
00:07:20.620 And in this moment, I was thinking more to a work in the world, yes.
00:07:30.380 And the vocation, the priestly vocation was not, I would say, it was not high, yes.
00:07:36.120 But there was a desire of great sanctity, of holiness, that put in the work.
00:07:43.660 It's after my vocation at Opus Dei that the vocation at priesthood, I would say that
00:07:51.260 it's comebacks.
00:07:52.900 I discovered that in Opus Dei, it was possible to be a priest.
00:07:57.720 So I wrote to the prelate and told him that in the future, if it was possible, I would like
00:08:06.920 to be a priest of Opus Dei.
00:08:09.040 So in 2006, I go to Rome to study theology and later in Spain to make my specialization
00:08:22.120 in philosophy.
00:08:22.980 The 5th of May, 2012, I was ordained a priest at Rome.
00:08:32.460 You became a priest right before Pope Francis became Pope.
00:08:38.220 Very interesting indeed, because you spent all of your formative years under John Paul II
00:08:44.060 and Pope Benedict.
00:08:45.580 Now that you've experienced what you have with regard to the sanctions, first of all, explain
00:08:52.260 to everybody, if you would, what sanctions are you under currently?
00:08:56.360 Okay, the sanctions are, it's impossible for me to receive confessions.
00:09:02.420 It's impossible to hear confessions, yes.
00:09:06.400 It's impossible to preach.
00:09:08.840 I can preach.
00:09:10.560 Another thing, it's impossible for me to celebrate the mass publicly.
00:09:16.300 Obviously, yes.
00:09:17.820 And all this, all this was, come from February, February of this year.
00:09:25.940 But now with the validation of Pope Francis, they include the private mass too.
00:09:33.420 So now it's impossible for me to celebrate the private mass.
00:09:37.400 Even outside of church where the public are masses, no one can even come to you privately
00:09:43.860 to have a mass.
00:09:44.980 My priestly work is finished.
00:09:47.220 That's why the name I put to my letter to Pope Francis, the letter I published in Twitter
00:09:54.680 and Facebook, the title of the letter was Priestly Death.
00:09:59.320 So it's my priestly death.
00:10:01.160 It's not possible for me now to do what a priest has to do.
00:10:05.180 Are you able, Father, to offer a mass all by yourself?
00:10:09.100 If I'm alone, I can't celebrate the mass.
00:10:12.980 This is called the private mass.
00:10:15.340 The private mass, I'm alone.
00:10:17.400 I'm alone.
00:10:18.000 There is no, nobody.
00:10:20.020 Maybe one person, a ministry, maybe.
00:10:24.760 But now, nobody, no mass.
00:10:28.440 No mass is no mass.
00:10:30.320 And there was a condition, there was a condition.
00:10:32.880 If I want to keep the private mass, I have to stop criticizing Pope Francis.
00:10:39.700 That's why in my letter, I wrote that it's impossible for me to stop because there is
00:10:45.540 something, there are many things wrong, but Pope Francis has to correct.
00:10:49.860 So if, since 2016, he didn't want to correct them, it's not normal.
00:11:00.260 So I can't stop.
00:11:01.740 We give him, we give him too much time to make his rectification.
00:11:06.840 So if he doesn't want to do his rectification, that means that he's in the wrong path and he
00:11:15.780 wants to remain in the wrong path.
00:11:17.340 So if he wants to remain in the wrong path, so I will remain in the good criticism of
00:11:23.220 the Pope, you see.
00:11:25.620 So I'm not against Pope Francis, but I'm against the errors of Pope Francis.
00:11:30.220 He have, he must correct them because it's important for the church and for the faithful
00:11:34.100 of the church.
00:11:34.700 Father, can you tell us with those in South Africa, excuse me, in West Africa, with whom
00:11:41.340 you've been in touch, Catholics that you've seen perhaps, have you seen any effect from
00:11:47.140 Pope Francis's false teaching?
00:11:49.720 Yes, yes, of course, of course.
00:11:51.580 People are aware of what's happening and they are disappointed.
00:11:55.100 Many are disappointed.
00:11:56.440 Many, many, many.
00:11:57.400 Some say he's a wrong Pope, he's a false Pope, he's not like Pope John Paul II, he's not like
00:12:08.900 Benedict.
00:12:09.820 We understand now what's happened with Pope Benedict, but his enemies do all to make him
00:12:17.980 gone and now they put Pope Francis, who is the best friend, who wants the ideas of the world.
00:12:26.500 You understand?
00:12:27.040 People are aware.
00:12:28.040 People know that there is something wrong with Pope Francis.
00:12:31.180 So that's why it's important for Pope Francis to clearly show that he wants to make a rectification,
00:12:37.720 that he wants to be a good Pope, a true Pope of the Catholic Church.
00:12:41.540 Have you seen any reactions from young people that have had their faith distorted?
00:12:49.300 For instance, with young people that I know, a lot of them have suggested, hey, there's this
00:12:57.620 new thing with the Pope.
00:13:00.320 We are able now to engage in sexual activity that the Church had traditionally called sinful,
00:13:08.840 but it's all okay now.
00:13:11.540 We've had mothers who have always prayed for the conversion of their sons who are in
00:13:18.160 homosexual relations, and then saying, oh, we don't have to do that anymore, the Pope is okay 0.98
00:13:24.220 with it now, the Church has moved on.
00:13:26.340 In Africa, things are different, a little bit different if you compare to Europe or United States.
00:13:34.040 I don't know United States, I know more Europe, because I live in Italy for three years and
00:13:39.560 in Spain for three years.
00:13:41.180 My experience is not too long, it's a little experience.
00:13:44.180 But here, the traditions concerning some aspects of sexuality, we still have a strong traditional
00:13:57.180 thought about it.
00:13:59.800 So, people see that Pope Francis is going a bad way, he's going, he's taking a bad way,
00:14:07.800 a bad road.
00:14:09.860 And no, in my experience with the young people, the students I used to help, no, on the contrary,
00:14:17.480 they know that Pope Francis is wrong.
00:14:19.400 And they know that they have to fight to leave the doctrine of the Church about sexuality.
00:14:28.020 It's not always easy.
00:14:30.020 There are difficulties.
00:14:31.020 The difficulties are not an excuse to not leave the doctrine of the Church.
00:14:38.020 Now, I will give you an example, I think it will help you understand better.
00:14:42.640 In the last month or two months ago, two months ago, for the first time, for the first time,
00:14:48.640 in Ivory Coast, at least in my, in my, what I know, that I think that I'm not wrong.
00:14:55.640 Because people speak about, people spoke about it, for the first time, in a private broadcasting,
00:15:03.260 they invite a girl who is a homosexual, I don't know how to say it in English, lesbian, 1.00
00:15:10.760 you say it like that? 0.94
00:15:11.760 Yes.
00:15:12.760 For the first time, and people were very disappointed, many people protested about it.
00:15:19.760 Yes, it was the first time to see this, this kind of thing in the, in the television
00:15:25.060 here.
00:15:26.060 And I met here.
00:15:27.060 It's something maybe in the, in the, in the Europe broadcasting, when people see it here,
00:15:34.060 but here, in our country, it's the first time.
00:15:37.480 So I think we still have a strong, traditional, good, good thought about sexuality.
00:15:44.020 As you said in your letter, you, you've experienced in a way a priestly death.
00:15:49.480 How are you dealing with that, and what then keeps you going?
00:15:54.560 Because you're obviously determined to keep going.
00:15:57.560 What's, what's your motivation to keep going?
00:15:59.560 And how are you dealing with the, the persecution, if, for lack of a better word, that you're suffering
00:16:04.560 right now?
00:16:05.560 That means, no, it's not possible for, for Pope Francis or anyone to, to leave the, the
00:16:16.560 priesthood.
00:16:17.560 It's, it's, with the sacrament, it's something which is in me.
00:16:21.560 It's a gift of God.
00:16:22.560 It's a gift of God.
00:16:23.560 The gift of God and the graces of God are something God, God, God, God, God, God doesn't give
00:16:28.560 and want to take, take back.
00:16:31.560 No.
00:16:32.560 God, when God gives, he, he, he, he, he gives you for, for forever.
00:16:36.560 So, so about priestly, priesthood, my priesthood is in me and nobody can, can take it.
00:16:45.560 It's impossible.
00:16:46.560 So it's, it's, this is my motivation.
00:16:48.560 Uh, I know that I'm, I am a priest and I will be, I will always be a priest.
00:16:54.560 Even, even though it's impossible to, to use it now or to, to, to exercise it now that I'm
00:17:01.560 a priest and I will all be, I will be always a priest.
00:17:04.560 Yes.
00:17:05.560 So it's my strong motivation and biggest motivation or no, I won't say the biggest, but the second
00:17:11.560 motivation, I will say it's Mother Mary.
00:17:14.560 Yes.
00:17:15.560 Because the first and biggest motivation is my priesthood is Jesus Christ.
00:17:19.560 And the second is Mother Mary.
00:17:21.560 So our lady is all the priests because she said that she is the mother of all priests.
00:17:27.560 So I'm sure that if a priest is in difficulties, Mother Mary, Mother Mary is especially with
00:17:33.560 him because the mothers are with the children which are, who are in difficulties because they
00:17:39.560 love them.
00:17:40.560 So I'm, I know that Mother Mary is with me because I'm his son, her son, please.
00:17:46.560 And now I have difficulty and I believe that my mother is with me.
00:17:51.560 So with Jesus and with Mother Mary, it's not possible to be, to be sad.
00:17:58.560 No, it's not possible.
00:17:59.560 Even if, even though there are problems, that I'm happy.
00:18:04.560 I can tell you that in addition to our Lord and our Lady, there are many, many Catholics
00:18:10.560 all over the world who are with you, who are grateful for your defense of the faith, even
00:18:18.560 in the face of all this persecution you're receiving.
00:18:21.560 And we know that priests like you are the future of the church.
00:18:25.560 The persecution is a kind of misunderstanding.
00:18:28.560 Maybe Pope Francis, or I don't know, my, my, my chiefs, who say, maybe they think that
00:18:34.560 I'm against the Pope, I'm against the church.
00:18:36.560 No, it's impossible.
00:18:38.560 I could say that it's absurd to think that a priest could be against the church or against
00:18:44.560 the Pope.
00:18:45.560 So it's because there is a problem and serious problem.
00:18:49.560 So they have to solve it.
00:18:51.560 If they solve a problem, we come back to the normal times.
00:18:55.560 So the problem is there and they have to solve it.
00:18:59.560 If they want peace in the church, it's very simple.
00:19:02.560 The solution is very simple.
00:19:04.560 You can't be quiet because we, we are looking for them.
00:19:08.560 And since 2016, there's no rectification.
00:19:13.560 So it's not normal.
00:19:14.560 So it's time now to make a rectification.
00:19:17.560 And may many, many priests and bishops, religious and laid in the church, follow your example.
00:19:24.560 God bless you and thank you.
00:19:26.560 Thank you very much.
00:19:27.560 And God bless all of you.
00:19:29.560 We'll see you next time.