The John-Henry Westen Show - January 24, 2023


Military Veterans Targeted in Canada's New Suicide ＂Healthcare＂ Plan


Episode Stats

Length

50 minutes

Words per Minute

160.79678

Word Count

8,180

Sentence Count

616

Misogynist Sentences

3

Hate Speech Sentences

6


Summary

Imagine a veteran, someone who s fought and risked his life for your country, calling into the government agency set up to help vets with PTSD and other trauma from their service. Imagine that when that young man or woman, traumatized by what they ve had to endure, out of love for their country, their nation, asked for help because he was depressed and was scared because his thoughts were turning to suicide. Now imagine for a moment that the government agent who took the call decides to offer the young man euthanasia instead of helping him with the help he was wanting and needing. That s what happened to Mark Meinke.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 The exact language was, if up the road you are having suicidal thoughts, we have medically
00:00:06.380 assisted in dying. We have the MAID program that we can offer you. So it's better than blowing your
00:00:10.880 brains out against the wall, they told him. And there's an internal investigation. Well,
00:00:14.640 that's pretty interesting because I'm the star witness and I've never been called. I've never
00:00:18.880 been called by the RCMP and I've never been called by Veterans Affairs Canada about this.
00:00:24.140 The minister himself has never called me. The deputy minister has never called me.
00:00:27.420 What kind of investigation are you having if you don't even want to have a conversation
00:00:31.640 with the star witness?
00:00:34.620 So imagine a veteran, someone who's fought and risked his life for your country, calling
00:00:39.360 into the government agency set up to help vets with PTSD and other trauma from their service.
00:00:45.000 Imagine that when that young man or woman traumatized by what they had to endure, out of love for
00:00:49.560 their service, their country, their nation, asked for help because he was depressed and
00:00:54.420 was scared because his thoughts were turning to suicide. Now imagine for a moment that the
00:00:59.020 government agent who took the call decides to offer the young man euthanasia instead of
00:01:03.700 helping with the help he was wanting and needing. That incident actually did happen. And an investigation
00:01:11.680 in Veterans Affairs Canada did verify that that had been going on for years. They tried,
00:01:17.820 however, to suggest it was only one bad egg.
00:01:20.120 In today's show, my guest is Mark Meinke. He's an army veteran who has served in the Canadian
00:01:25.740 Infantry. And he testified before the Committee on Veterans Affairs in Ottawa about medical
00:01:32.900 assistance in dying and the current push for assisted suicide in the military. You've got to listen
00:01:40.140 to this testimony that he gave.
00:01:41.860 My name is Mark Meinke. I'm an army veteran who served with the Princess Patricia's Canadian
00:01:48.560 Light Infantry. In 1994, I served as a UN peacekeeper during the genocide in Croatia. And for the record,
00:01:56.440 it was not ethnic cleansing. I hate that word. It was a genocide. Ethnic cleansing is a euphemism.
00:02:01.980 I was in rotation for Operation Harmony. As a result of my service and numerous incidents that happened during my tour,
00:02:11.400 I was injured with PTSD. But of course, in 1994, nobody had a clue what the heck that was. So I went undiagnosed for 23 years.
00:02:22.280 Want to see a 23-year train wreck? I'll give you my biography. And that is the common story.
00:02:30.400 I've run into veterans that are Vietnam and Korea veterans that are just now reaching out for help.
00:02:37.800 People in their 70s and 80s that are just now reaching out for help.
00:02:41.580 So when you make that first phone call, pardon me,
00:02:46.420 when I made that first phone call, it was a thousand pound telephone.
00:02:53.540 For some reason in my distraught mind, I decided to reach out to the Legion.
00:02:58.640 It just seemed like the reasonable place to go. And I got lucky.
00:03:03.240 They took the ball and they ran with it. They were Johnny on the spot.
00:03:07.860 Bing, bang, boom. I got a veteran claim in.
00:03:10.520 The very first thing I said is I don't want any money and I'm not saying that these problems I'm having are from my service.
00:03:17.100 I'm not saying that because that's what we do.
00:03:21.020 We say, no, it couldn't be me. I just know I need help and I know that I can't afford the help, so maybe you can help me.
00:03:27.020 But I'm not saying it's from my service.
00:03:28.920 It took me over two years to accept that what I was suffering through absolutely was a direct result of my service.
00:03:38.680 Genocide has a funny way of doing that.
00:03:40.840 I am, as part of my healing journey, I took ten months before I actually could see a therapist.
00:03:54.780 Ten months.
00:03:56.300 So to fill that gap at the OSI clinic, they did something called, it always escapes me.
00:04:04.120 Anyway, they do something, and it's a gap, stop gap measure that none of us like and really has little to no value because of how it's operated.
00:04:16.060 But it was something.
00:04:17.620 It got me in the system and it got the ball rolling.
00:04:20.120 And as I attended one of these, of the ten-week program or whatever it was,
00:04:27.220 a fellow veteran who runs peer support put his hand on my shoulder and said, let's talk.
00:04:32.420 You should come off to peer support.
00:04:34.820 I'm like, no, that's not for me, man.
00:04:36.720 Peer support, what are we going to do, hold hands and sing kubaya?
00:04:39.800 That's not me.
00:04:41.100 But he convinced me, and I went, and it grew.
00:04:44.160 Then I became a peer support facilitator a year later, and people would drive for two hours to be a part of that group.
00:04:50.740 Really? One minute? Great.
00:04:53.520 From that, it evolved into a podcast because I wanted to scale what I was doing to help more people,
00:04:59.660 and now it's the largest in the world of its kind.
00:05:02.420 Where people find help through my podcast and get access to resources through my podcast.
00:05:08.880 The veteran, as a result of that, that this is all about, came to me directly
00:05:13.500 and gave me two recordings that were said on Wednesday to not exist.
00:05:18.160 And they are in my possession, and they're on my phone.
00:05:20.460 That caseworker did not inform him of services.
00:05:31.820 That caseworker not only offered MAID, it was unprompted, and it was pushed.
00:05:37.760 After two no's, you'd think two no's would do it.
00:05:41.280 It did not.
00:05:41.880 I have here the transcript, which of course, I cannot get a hold of the veteran because he was so distraught, he left the country.
00:05:50.760 Pardon me.
00:05:51.220 So I will refer to the transcripts, which I made personally, to answer any and all of your questions.
00:05:59.960 Now, what this push for euthanasia really boils down to, however,
00:06:17.900 is the government has become completely utilitarian, with no concern for the human person whatsoever.
00:06:24.000 We're all numbers and not human beings.
00:06:27.160 It was actually inevitable once we went down the road of abortion.
00:06:30.400 But this utilitarianism can also be demonstrated.
00:06:34.380 It's not just conjecture.
00:06:36.180 Look, there was an October 2020 report titled, and I quote,
00:06:40.300 Now, the Canadian Parliamentary Budget Officer presented that report,
00:06:50.740 and it was because assisted suicide became legal on June 17, 2016.
00:06:57.460 So this is the 2020 report.
00:06:59.660 Canada's health care costs, he said, have dropped $86.9 million.
00:07:05.280 Check out this chart that shows that.
00:07:07.160 So I'm sure the push for medical assistance in dying, or MAID as it's known,
00:07:12.360 is now easier to understand than ever.
00:07:15.700 Why bother with end-of-life costs and health care when you can simply kill people through MAID?
00:07:21.960 Let's not forget that this is exactly what Nazi Germany did under Hitler.
00:07:27.500 The scourge of assisted suicide has been around for quite some time,
00:07:31.600 but now it seems that it is taking on a new, even sacred connotation.
00:07:36.280 The New York Times colonist, Roth Douthat, describes euthanasia in Canada commenting that
00:07:41.860 mass acceptance, and this is a quote right from Roth Douthat's article,
00:07:46.120 mass acceptance of euthanasia probably won't replace the Christian prohibition on suicide
00:07:51.460 with a libertarian or secular neutrality.
00:07:55.160 Rather, he says, a society that encourages euthanasia will eventually tend to sacralize it,
00:08:01.460 reaching for pre-Christian or post-Christian narratives in which the decision to kill
00:08:05.820 oneself is not just permissible, but holy.
00:08:09.400 And you know, we can already see this happening before our very eyes.
00:08:12.320 The people pushing this agenda have argued that MAID can preserve human dignity.
00:08:17.360 Somehow, this legitimate argument for human dignity,
00:08:21.540 which is normally against assisted suicide,
00:08:24.240 has been twisted around to support assisted suicide.
00:08:27.400 So, you can see this in an article by Richard Hananiah.
00:08:32.620 He wrote the article on his newsletter on Substack,
00:08:36.360 and it's titled,
00:08:37.560 Canadian Euthanasia as Moral Progress.
00:08:41.520 It was published on January 3rd,
00:08:43.260 and this is a quote from it.
00:08:44.280 Suicide is in many cases a noble and heroic act,
00:08:47.880 and it should therefore have state sanction.
00:08:50.340 For those who are suffering, it can be a gift to their families,
00:08:53.180 and by allowing them to determine their ultimate destiny,
00:08:56.000 give them a way to reassert control that they've lost in every other imaginable sense.
00:09:00.900 We can be inspired at the end of a movie by a protagonist who kills himself once he has failed his mission,
00:09:06.520 or continued existence harms those he loves,
00:09:09.760 but never by a story that ends up with a hero being hooked up to machines,
00:09:14.200 unable to take care of himself, and slowly deteriorating.
00:09:17.160 If he can't do it himself, we understand and sympathize with a friend who carries it out.
00:09:22.400 So, this is pure utilitarianism, and it does reflect where we are as a society.
00:09:29.300 Once you lose the thought of God, or recognition of God in the afterlife,
00:09:35.980 it's all you're living for.
00:09:37.600 And then, everything like this makes sense.
00:09:40.380 Obviously, if there's a God, you're not going to choose your ultimate end.
00:09:43.880 Your ultimate end is chosen by you in your works on earth,
00:09:47.960 not from deciding to put yourself out of existence.
00:09:51.540 There is no such thing.
00:09:52.320 You don't put yourself out of existence.
00:09:53.900 Only God does that.
00:09:54.640 The very one who put you into existence, not by your own choice, by the way.
00:09:58.060 So, the appeal of this approach seems to be to release people from suffering.
00:10:05.280 And that's the point everyone fails to notice.
00:10:08.380 Maid medical assistance in dying does not end suffering.
00:10:11.480 It ends the sufferer.
00:10:12.780 It does not alleviate pain.
00:10:14.420 It eliminates the person experiencing the pain.
00:10:18.580 Author Leon Kass, in his article called Dehumanization Triumphant, made this point.
00:10:25.900 He said,
00:10:26.820 The manufacturer of a right to die, as a gift to those not dying fast enough,
00:10:32.380 is in fact the state's abdication of its duty to protect innocent life,
00:10:36.320 and its abandonment, especially of the old, the weak, and the poor.
00:10:40.760 Kass also added that from a medical perspective,
00:10:43.440 the venerable Hippocratic Oath clearly rules out physician-assisted suicide,
00:10:47.640 and this medical ethic has been around for over two millennia.
00:10:52.920 Clearly, the cultural approach to assisted suicide is changing as ethics are changing.
00:10:59.220 And now, as long as an action can be rationalized in some way,
00:11:02.620 it seems that anything theoretically possible can be ethical.
00:11:06.500 This points to everything that Alex Schadenberg,
00:11:09.640 the executive director of the Euthanasia Prevention Coalition,
00:11:12.100 said when he was on my show last month.
00:11:14.140 Take a look.
00:11:14.520 Every step along the path, you create new precedent.
00:11:19.980 It's okay to kill.
00:11:20.680 It's okay to kill for that reason.
00:11:21.960 It's okay to kill for this reason.
00:11:23.480 If it's okay to kill the infant,
00:11:25.500 then why wouldn't it be okay to kill the 87-year-old with dementia?
00:11:28.380 You've eliminated the reasons why it's not okay.
00:11:30.680 If you're going to say it's okay to kill somebody,
00:11:32.520 now the question is, well, who do we kill and under what rules?
00:11:36.140 But anytime you have any rules which would say,
00:11:38.500 well, you really can't do it in that circumstance,
00:11:40.820 well, then the question is, well, why not?
00:11:42.300 Health Canada's third annual report on medical assistance and dying in Canada
00:11:48.420 indicates that the number of assisted deaths in Canada
00:11:51.720 has increased by 32.4%,
00:11:54.700 representing 3.3% of all deaths in 2021.
00:11:59.080 When all data sources are considered,
00:12:02.340 the total number of euthanasia or made reported deaths in Canada
00:12:06.360 from legalization to December 31st, 2021 is 31,664.
00:12:12.640 You can read this in an article by Alex Schadenberg over at LifeSite,
00:12:16.480 and you'll find that in the links below.
00:12:18.760 But also, a civilization that promotes death as a solution to its problems
00:12:23.520 is truly a sick civilization that will soon crumble and decay.
00:12:28.100 We've seen abortion become more and more a sacrament to the left,
00:12:33.120 even after the overturning of Roe v. Wade in the United States.
00:12:36.260 And now it's become clear that assisted suicide is an extension of this sacrament.
00:12:41.260 And we need to do everything we can to fight against this poisonous inversion of human dignity.
00:12:48.940 My guest today is an example of how each of us must have the courage
00:12:53.040 to testify against this great evil of assisted suicide.
00:12:57.800 This is The John Hunter Weston Show.
00:12:59.780 Stay tuned.
00:13:07.720 Mark Meineke, welcome to the program.
00:13:09.620 Thanks for having me, brother. Appreciate it.
00:13:11.220 Let's begin, as you always do, with the sign of the cross.
00:13:12.960 In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.
00:13:17.300 Amen.
00:13:17.560 So, Mark, I think in the first clip we saw a little bit of you in action,
00:13:26.220 describing the maid, as it's called here.
00:13:29.380 It's the medical assistant in dying.
00:13:33.180 Just a horrific story.
00:13:34.680 But before we get there, let's learn a little bit about yourself.
00:13:39.080 Who is Mark Meineke?
00:13:40.200 Well, I'm an Army veteran.
00:13:41.660 That's how I got into this whole thing of podcasting.
00:13:44.700 And it's Operation Tangaromi is a trauma recovery podcast.
00:13:49.580 I was diagnosed in 2017 with PTSD because of my service.
00:13:54.280 I was a UN peacekeeper in Croatia in 1994.
00:13:59.440 I was right in the middle of it, in all the hot spots.
00:14:04.380 And unbeknownst to me, I was injured with a post-matics stress injury.
00:14:08.920 But didn't know.
00:14:10.340 So, this journey started in about 2017.
00:14:14.240 And since then, the show was created.
00:14:18.160 It's at 270 episodes now plus.
00:14:21.920 And it is there as a resource for veterans, first responders, and their families.
00:14:26.980 And then I've fallen into advocacy, which is how I got on your radar.
00:14:31.560 And didn't expect to, but now I'm in the advocacy sphere.
00:14:35.120 It just fell into my lap.
00:14:37.140 And that's what I've been really busy with the last few months.
00:14:41.960 It was astonishing what you pointed out.
00:14:44.580 And I think a lot of people, whereas, you know, we've been talking for years about euthanasia,
00:14:51.260 in the public perception or how it was sold to the public anyway.
00:14:55.880 It's only for those who are so extremely ill, they're dying anyway.
00:14:59.700 They're in such extreme pain.
00:15:00.880 There's no way out.
00:15:01.520 We've got to have mercy and just let them go.
00:15:06.120 And yet, on the other hand, we learned that, wait a minute, they've been restricting and
00:15:12.200 not doing as much as they could on painkillers, on methods of pain relief, and just not affording
00:15:19.080 that to Canadians, even to veterans.
00:15:24.440 And yet, they're offering them euthanasia.
00:15:27.700 They're offering them this medical-assisted aid in dying.
00:15:31.720 Really?
00:15:33.020 So tell us how you learned about it and what happened.
00:15:35.180 Well, just to put a cherry on that, what it actually is, is state-sponsored homicide.
00:15:41.900 It's eradication of our most vulnerable.
00:15:44.240 That's what it is.
00:15:45.260 State-sponsored eradication of our most vulnerable people wrapped up as compassion.
00:15:51.440 So I didn't even know about the MAID program until about August of last year, when a veteran
00:15:59.160 came to me because of my show and sent me an audio file that he had recorded of a phone
00:16:06.120 call.
00:16:06.580 This phone call was an apology call from Veterans Affairs Canada to him.
00:16:11.280 And when I listened to it, I had to listen to it twice, about a 12-minute phone call.
00:16:17.220 I couldn't believe it.
00:16:19.520 This was them apologizing to him for offering him, offering to kill him when he, that's
00:16:26.340 not what he was asking for.
00:16:27.320 He was asking for help for a traumatic brain injury, like, so, like concussion injury.
00:16:32.240 He's like, hey, you know, I'm having trouble finding resources for this.
00:16:36.240 What do you got?
00:16:37.320 I'd really like to get some help, please.
00:16:40.500 And they said, well, we don't know about help, but if up the road, you're starting to get
00:16:44.440 some suicidal thoughts, just let us know.
00:16:46.900 Give us a call and we'll help you out with that.
00:16:48.620 Well, what do you mean?
00:16:49.420 Well, we, well, we got this MAID program.
00:16:52.140 We can kill you.
00:16:53.580 So it's better than blowing your brains out against the wall, they told him.
00:16:56.960 You're speaking hyperbolically, right?
00:16:58.480 They didn't actually use that exact language, did they?
00:17:00.240 The exact language was, if up the road, you are having suicidal thoughts, we have medically
00:17:07.400 assisted in dying.
00:17:08.480 We have the MAID program that we can offer you.
00:17:10.860 This is mind blowing.
00:17:12.680 So these are men and women who have already given of themselves to the country to defend
00:17:19.740 our nation and they're being offered not help, but death.
00:17:23.280 So it wasn't even that they could find a program for, to help them.
00:17:27.380 What they could help them with was to help them die.
00:17:29.440 That's it.
00:17:30.460 And it was exemplified when another committee was held in front of the Veterans, the Standing
00:17:39.800 Committee of Veterans Affairs in Ottawa.
00:17:42.300 I testified at one about this topic.
00:17:45.540 And then another veteran was testifying about the deliverables, about the quality of service
00:17:54.500 offered by Veterans Affairs Canada.
00:17:56.220 And a friend of mine, who is also one of the witnesses, Bruce Moncourt, brought up the
00:18:00.760 topic of MAID because of the work that I'd been doing.
00:18:04.200 And she put up her hand and says, hey, hey, hey, I got something to say about that.
00:18:08.060 Oh, what is it, Christine?
00:18:09.860 What's up?
00:18:10.920 Well, I was offered MAID too.
00:18:13.460 And everybody lost their mind.
00:18:15.900 But it was really quite the shocker because the first person that came forward to me
00:18:22.460 that I testified about in Ottawa, he is staying under the radar.
00:18:26.520 He's not allowing his name to come out.
00:18:28.200 I've kept it quiet.
00:18:29.460 I haven't told anybody his name.
00:18:31.420 I've respected his wishes.
00:18:33.560 I still wish he would.
00:18:34.980 But so there might be the question there.
00:18:37.180 It's like, hey, is this Mark Mankey guy, is he making it up?
00:18:39.800 Is he trying to get some publicity for a show?
00:18:42.720 Then Christine Gauthier, who I had never met at the time, has also come forward.
00:18:48.160 And they're not the only ones.
00:18:50.020 The original line when this broke on Global News originally was, oh, there's only been
00:18:55.860 one veteran and one caseworker, and that's it.
00:18:59.980 Isolated incident, they said.
00:19:01.960 And they swore on it in testimony.
00:19:04.240 They were, yeah, we're not going to finish the investigation yet, but we promise on a
00:19:10.140 stack of Bibles that it was just one veteran and one caseworker.
00:19:14.960 Well, the day before one of the, I think it was the third meeting of the standing committee,
00:19:21.100 somebody came to me the night before.
00:19:24.520 And he, unfortunately, also not using his real name, he goes into the pseudonym Bruce.
00:19:29.560 And I was able to convince Bruce to tell his story on my show.
00:19:34.980 So it's a quick little 10 or 12 minute one.
00:19:38.040 And Bruce tells the same story.
00:19:40.680 He called asking for help for PTSD.
00:19:43.680 And he's an active duty member who's now, who's in the releasing process.
00:19:49.420 And in the middle of asking for help, the same thing.
00:19:52.800 So, hey, you know, we had this court case that gave us the ability to offer MAID.
00:19:57.280 So if it gets to that, you know, just let us know and we can offer you a MAID.
00:20:02.700 And he had to say, like, what are you talking about?
00:20:05.320 I'm not calling to ask for you to kill me.
00:20:08.120 I'm asking for help.
00:20:09.560 I want help, not death.
00:20:11.840 Like, what are you talking about?
00:20:14.100 Mark, would you mind if we just played a little clip of that?
00:20:16.480 Please.
00:20:18.960 Are you willing to share what type of services you were looking for?
00:20:21.980 Yeah, so I had been suffering from PTSD and I recently had a lot of suicidal thoughts.
00:20:34.140 And so when I when I was getting a call from them, I was kind of hoping that they would help me, you know,
00:20:42.120 with my transition out of the military, help me find new doctors once I get out and, you know, help me and assist me with any other kind of claims I might have.
00:20:55.960 I wasn't expecting them to let me know that, hey, we had recently, you know, won litigation to assist a member with MAID.
00:21:08.360 And, you know, that's always an option.
00:21:10.880 I was taking it back and I thought it was quite strange.
00:21:14.580 So, you know, I mentioned it to my case manager, but I was a little disturbed that, you know, if they had mentioned that to somebody else, that was even worse off than I was, you know, that could have been that little bit to push them over the edge.
00:21:31.240 Mark, if you could then comment on what Bruce just said there and, you know, where did you go with him?
00:21:39.840 And of course, we want to encourage people to watch or listen to the whole show.
00:21:44.060 And by the way, your podcast name again is?
00:21:47.120 Operation Tango Romeo, the Tremor Recovery Podcast.
00:21:50.260 Very good. So they'll be able to go there.
00:21:51.820 How will they find that specific podcast, Bruce?
00:21:54.320 That was episode 258 with Bruce.
00:21:57.040 And when that came out, I got moving.
00:22:02.460 And I took that episode and I published it immediately, made it public.
00:22:08.000 And then I sent it to all the different members of parliament that I have communication with, that I have relationships with, including the co-chair of the Standing Committee of Veterans Affairs, who's a friend of mine.
00:22:20.980 So they all had it.
00:22:23.680 And then the very next morning, wouldn't you know, as a direct result of Bruce coming out and telling the story of my show, the Minister of Veterans Affairs, Lawrence McCauley, comes out and changes his story with a press release.
00:22:36.440 It says, okay, so because of our investigation, not because of my show, but because of our investigation, we have now found that there are four veterans, was his count that he would admit to.
00:22:52.940 Four different veterans have been offered medically assisted in dying, but it's only one caseworker.
00:22:57.940 We promise.
00:22:59.480 This time we're not lying.
00:23:00.840 The other times we were definitely lying, but this time we're not lying.
00:23:04.960 It's the truth this time.
00:23:06.240 You can trust us.
00:23:07.200 We're politicians.
00:23:08.680 You can trust us.
00:23:09.440 When he said those words, he knew full well that veteran number one was in British Columbia.
00:23:14.640 Therefore, they had a British Columbia caseworker.
00:23:17.520 That's how the system works.
00:23:20.500 Bruce that came out is from Ontario.
00:23:22.560 So they had an Ontario caseworker.
00:23:24.280 So that's a minimum of two caseworkers.
00:23:25.800 And when Christine Giotier testified, it was just too much for them.
00:23:33.340 But that shows at least three caseworkers because she's in Quebec.
00:23:37.140 And so they just denied that what even happened.
00:23:39.760 This Paralympian who competed in the Invictus Games and the Paralympics, who Veterans Affairs has been using as a poster girl.
00:23:51.180 Oh, she's just a big, fat liar.
00:23:54.940 You know, we found no evidence supporting her claim.
00:23:57.900 Well, how about the fact that she said it?
00:24:00.740 I'm not going to call her a liar.
00:24:02.680 I'm going to say, I believe you.
00:24:04.380 Because why the heck would she lie about something like that?
00:24:07.720 But that's where they're at.
00:24:10.800 It's deny, deny until they die.
00:24:12.720 It's pretty standard for Veterans Affairs.
00:24:14.840 Now, have they said that the caseworkers in question have been fired or have they been disciplined or what's going on there?
00:24:23.380 They're only admitting to one, right?
00:24:25.360 And so I know her name.
00:24:28.520 I won't say it for her own protection.
00:24:30.580 I know her first name anyway.
00:24:31.860 She got to keep her job for quite some time and only because a ridiculous amount of pressure and every major publication was covering this.
00:24:41.680 Now they are saying that she's fired.
00:24:43.700 But they're also saying a lot of other things.
00:24:46.080 They're saying that there's an investigation that has been referred to the RCMP and there's an internal investigation.
00:24:52.180 Well, that's pretty interesting because I'm the star witness and I've never been called.
00:24:57.520 I've never been called by the RCMP and I've never been called by Veterans Affairs Canada about this.
00:25:03.340 The minister himself has never called me.
00:25:04.940 The deputy minister has never called me.
00:25:07.220 What kind of investigation are you having if you don't even want to have a conversation with a star witness?
00:25:12.140 Interesting.
00:25:12.540 Very interesting indeed.
00:25:15.260 They've pushed out euthanasia under this new terminology, medically assisted aid in dying, I think is the proper terminology.
00:25:24.360 Medical assistance in dying, yeah.
00:25:25.840 They obviously feel they haven't yet done a good enough job on the public to try and convince them that this is the way to go.
00:25:31.280 But they seem firmly committed to it nonetheless.
00:25:33.400 I mean, they are all in on this MAID program.
00:25:37.260 So when it originally came out, it didn't sound like such a bad idea.
00:25:43.000 It was only for those that were going to die anyway.
00:25:46.500 You know, their number was up.
00:25:49.560 But, you know, why suffer?
00:25:51.080 Okay, that seems reasonable.
00:25:52.540 Or people that had just unbearable pain and it was untreatable.
00:25:57.060 Well, okay, fair enough.
00:25:59.700 You know, I could get down with that.
00:26:01.880 But the slippery slope started immediately.
00:26:05.700 And since it originally came into play, now it has gone so far.
00:26:12.600 They are pushing it as far as 12-year-olds.
00:26:15.560 So they want 12-year-olds to be able to access it.
00:26:18.560 And 16-year-olds without parental consent.
00:26:21.580 And I was just told this morning, and this part I don't have verification of, but I was told this morning that a 17-year-old did it.
00:26:28.540 There's a dead 17-year-old without parental consent.
00:26:31.200 The parents got the phone call a couple of days later.
00:26:35.200 That one isn't verified yet.
00:26:37.280 But either way, that's what they're pushing for.
00:26:39.120 So could you imagine, you see your 16-year-old get on the bus, go to school, and then you see the bus later in the day and your kid doesn't get off the bus?
00:26:49.320 Where's my kid?
00:26:50.120 And then you're in a wild panic, calling everybody and calling the neighbors and calling the police.
00:26:54.700 Where's my kid?
00:26:55.340 Where's my kid?
00:26:55.880 My kid's missing.
00:26:56.760 Just to get a phone call from somebody to say, oh, well, we killed him.
00:27:01.080 And there's nothing you can do about it.
00:27:02.440 Yeah, they had a bad day and made a permanent decision on about a temporary problem.
00:27:10.420 And they're dead.
00:27:11.200 We killed him.
00:27:12.140 Government sanctioned.
00:27:13.040 Nothing you can do about it.
00:27:14.040 Just a quick note before we return.
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00:27:38.340 And now, back to the video.
00:27:41.680 A few weeks ago, I had on my program Alex Schadenberg.
00:27:46.220 I don't know if you've spoken to him ever, but he's the head of the Euthanasia Prevention Coalition.
00:27:51.980 It was very interesting because he and I had a conversation about a decade ago, and it was with regard to the coming onslaught of euthanasia.
00:28:02.400 And it was all an economic question.
00:28:05.920 The – you could see the trajectory.
00:28:10.700 We are spending ourselves to death.
00:28:13.500 We have a huge liability in terms of the need to pay old-age pension, and everybody gets their – you know, medical costs explode at the end of life.
00:28:24.860 And yet, we have so few children being born to take up that burden.
00:28:31.340 So, the working populations dying out, the elderly population getting older, we're going to have to have some corrective.
00:28:39.580 The natural thought was euthanasia.
00:28:41.820 So, we had a little bet that it would be legalized within five years.
00:28:46.280 It was.
00:28:46.740 But it was unreal because it was all utilitarian.
00:28:52.360 But it's always sold as if it's compassion and it's all wonderful.
00:28:57.680 And it's not in so many ways because we saw right away that they were snuffing out proper pain relief opportunities.
00:29:05.920 One was the puffer fish that had these incredible properties of being able to eliminate pain.
00:29:14.000 Imagine that for the sufferers.
00:29:15.840 But that kind of thing goes nowhere.
00:29:18.140 And yet, in comes euthanasia with, here, we'll do this for you.
00:29:23.180 Because it's so cheap to give someone a quick shot to end their lives rather than actually treat them.
00:29:29.280 It's unreal.
00:29:30.060 Everything's a profit model.
00:29:31.640 And people have a hard time believing that some of the people that are at the top, medical doctors and bureaucrats, could possibly be psychopaths and sociopaths.
00:29:43.400 That's just too much for people to believe because they think that there's a Disney cartoon version rigging their hands.
00:29:52.100 And that's what a psychopath looks like.
00:29:53.740 But it's not.
00:29:54.900 Psychopaths and sociopaths are charming.
00:29:57.480 They can pretend to be kind and caring, very, very likable.
00:30:02.540 But the truth is they don't actually care about you.
00:30:04.960 They see things in a very methodical, utilitarian way.
00:30:10.340 They're very Machiavellian.
00:30:11.420 And it's hard because when you like somebody, when you look at somebody and you respect them and you go, oh, they seem really nice.
00:30:19.820 Once you've made that emotional attachment, seeing them in any other way is so difficult.
00:30:25.060 But the truth is that people that desperately want power, the careerism type of people, they tend to have sociopathic tendencies.
00:30:35.520 And they climb to the top.
00:30:36.700 A great majority of CEOs of major corporations are sociopaths and psychopaths.
00:30:44.060 This is true.
00:30:46.220 And but they come across so nice, like the ice cream man, you know, like Bill Gates, clearly a sociopath.
00:30:54.280 But he's so nice.
00:30:55.400 He has that nice little smile and he dresses like Mr. Rogers.
00:30:59.320 So he's got to be a nice guy, right?
00:31:01.320 No, he's a sociopath and he doesn't care about you even one tiny little bit.
00:31:05.960 These people being at the top are the same ones that don't look at me and you like people.
00:31:12.000 We're numbers.
00:31:13.180 We're useless eaters.
00:31:15.280 And that's all we are.
00:31:17.160 So burden on society is the and the greater good are the arguments to dispense with humanity and kindness and empathy, dispense with all that and just look at the numbers.
00:31:31.560 And the way they're seeing it is that there's too many people on the planet.
00:31:35.040 We've got to do something about it.
00:31:36.620 Hey, how about all these useless people?
00:31:38.560 How about the weak?
00:31:39.860 How about the vulnerable?
00:31:41.500 Let's get rid of them.
00:31:42.780 Let's get rid of the homeless and everybody else.
00:31:45.060 We've lost so much of our moral compass as a society that we can't even see how horrific this is.
00:31:54.980 Even the Nazis backed off of this.
00:31:57.880 When the Nazis were going to be clearing out the old age homes and whatnot, which they did with the mental health asylums and whatnot.
00:32:06.920 But when they wanted to clear out the old age homes, the German people said, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, that's a bridge too far.
00:32:14.100 And they backed off.
00:32:15.880 So this is too far for even the Nazis.
00:32:18.740 But here we are in Canada going, hey, that's a good idea.
00:32:21.800 That's a great way to do a budget cut.
00:32:23.700 You know, it's for the greater good.
00:32:26.020 It's something really startling about the day and age we're living in.
00:32:29.520 Because I think, Mark, most people, when they hear you say, oh, come on, who would talk about useless eaters?
00:32:36.820 But believe it or not, we've had Yuval Noah Harari, one of the great lights of the World Economic Forum, just say that very openly.
00:32:50.200 Let's have a look.
00:32:50.740 What to do with all these useless people?
00:32:56.100 The problem is more boredom and what to do with them and how will they find some sense of meaning in life when they are basically meaningless, worthless.
00:33:07.560 My best guess at present is a combination of drugs and computer games as a solution for more.
00:33:15.560 It's already happening.
00:33:16.560 Mark, you know, after that, drugs and video games, what he doesn't say is maybe where the Canadians seem to be at already, or at least the Canadian government or those in power, he might be, why drugs and video games?
00:33:33.060 We can use euthanasia, killing them off, made this wonderful system that we pretend is compassion and it's just knocking people up.
00:33:40.280 Every environmental book that you read, I read David Suzuki and Anita Gordon wrote a book, published, I think it was 1988, and I read it then, and I just reread it one more time to see if any of those predictions came true.
00:33:54.640 Well, the number one issue above and beyond everything else was population.
00:33:59.620 Their models, and actually their models were right on, like way back in 1988, because I cross-referenced, like, oh man, that was pretty close.
00:34:10.640 So they were right about the models up until this point.
00:34:14.960 However, the models now show that we're actually going to have a population collapse, that China's one-child policy, all these different things, people in Canada and the States are only reproducing at 1.8, and we need to be at 2.2 to be sustainable.
00:34:35.280 Population collapse is likely coming, as Elon Musk was saying the same thing, but they said, well, let's help that along by doing everything that they can to thin out the population, because they believe that that is the number one issue in the world.
00:34:53.180 Matter of fact, I've heard now King Charles, he was Prince Charles at the time, saying exactly the same thing.
00:35:01.420 And this is one of the things said at the World Economic Forum and many other forums as well, well, where this is the number one issue is population.
00:35:12.480 So it's difficult to believe that all the people at the top of society, or at least they think they are, who have been talking about population being the number one problem for decades now, aren't doing anything about it.
00:35:27.420 Of course, they're doing something about it, and we're seeing it now.
00:35:30.280 It's amazing that you mentioned Bill Gates as someone who's a sociopath, because there's a very famous video, which I'm sure you've seen.
00:35:38.160 In fact, we'll play a clip of it now.
00:35:39.880 Do you remember he's talking about the CO2 and the way to bring that down?
00:35:45.000 And he mentions vaccines along with lowering the world's population.
00:35:50.180 And then you had this play out, and people pointed that and said, wait a minute, wait a minute, he can't be talking about that at the same time.
00:35:59.900 He can't mean that.
00:36:01.880 But then it is Bill Gates, and we've seen the most dastardly things with absolute lying and then lying again a little while later.
00:36:12.000 It's like these folks don't care what they say, because even if they say the exact opposite thing, and we have the video to be able to show the before and the after, it doesn't seem to matter.
00:36:21.680 Now, the world today has 6.8 billion people.
00:36:26.900 That's headed up to about 9 billion.
00:36:29.140 Now, if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we could lower that by perhaps 10 or 15%.
00:36:37.680 No, facts don't matter anymore.
00:36:42.020 Right now in the UK, there's up to 2,000 excess deaths a week.
00:36:47.220 A week!
00:36:48.200 You know, they can see on the charts and the historical data what the amount of deaths every week should be.
00:36:54.060 And there's excess 2,000 a week, according to their data.
00:36:58.520 According to American military data, and that's some pretty good data about the health of the troops, cancer rates are up by over 300%.
00:37:06.020 Neurological injuries are up by 1,000%.
00:37:09.740 What date ranges are we talking here?
00:37:11.380 In how long?
00:37:12.180 Well, it all started somewhere around 2020.
00:37:16.380 All these different things started to spike around 2020, 2021.
00:37:21.960 So, is there a correlation there?
00:37:25.320 Who knows?
00:37:26.080 And that's the thing.
00:37:27.180 People are unwilling to talk about this.
00:37:29.460 We, right now, are seeing, you know, this glut of sudden deaths from nowhere.
00:37:37.640 And now there's a new thing.
00:37:41.780 Like there was SIDS before.
00:37:42.920 Now there's sudden adult death syndrome.
00:37:44.960 Lisa Marie Presley just died.
00:37:46.840 Heart attack.
00:37:47.800 Just like everybody else is going.
00:37:49.620 53 years old.
00:37:50.800 That's only, I'm almost 53.
00:37:52.700 I'll be 53 in May.
00:37:53.880 You know, that is not normal for 53-year-olds to have heart attacks.
00:37:59.100 We just had, in Calgary here, we just had a 12-year-old child have a stroke on a bus.
00:38:06.520 You look like a similar age to me.
00:38:09.280 This has never happened.
00:38:10.740 Prior to 2019, this never, ever, ever, ever happens.
00:38:16.400 Children do not have strokes and heart attacks.
00:38:19.240 And yet on the side of buses now, hey, children have strokes and heart attacks too.
00:38:24.040 What is with the propaganda?
00:38:26.360 Why?
00:38:27.060 But the gaslighting is absolutely incredible.
00:38:29.900 It is amazing.
00:38:30.740 The propaganda feature is truly amazing.
00:38:33.060 We've watched it roll out in the most extreme way.
00:38:36.380 When they first came up with it, I almost thought it was a joke.
00:38:39.620 I saw one of those commercials early.
00:38:41.200 There's, you know, a little kid jogging and then grabbing his heart.
00:38:45.140 And that was the tagline, you know.
00:38:47.400 Young people have heart attacks too.
00:38:49.240 And you're like, come on, that's a joke.
00:38:51.100 How is this a public service announcement?
00:38:52.840 Like, who does this serve?
00:38:54.380 Even if it was true.
00:38:55.420 Even if it was true.
00:38:56.400 But how is this the first time in our lives that we've ever heard a message like this?
00:39:00.320 You've watched the rollout, both of the vaccines and of the whole COVID narrative and the whole masking.
00:39:08.940 Where were you on all that?
00:39:10.500 Did you sort of see the light early, later?
00:39:13.460 Where were you on it?
00:39:14.240 Well, I was scared out of my mind, just like everybody else in the beginning.
00:39:17.500 If you remember, in the beginning, they figured the death rate was going to be somewhere around 3%.
00:39:23.780 Well, that's some pretty easy math to do.
00:39:27.660 And I thought, oh my God, if everybody's going to get this eventually and the death rate is at 3%, this is like, this is going to end society.
00:39:35.720 This is something else.
00:39:37.520 And of course, the death rate wasn't at 3%.
00:39:40.860 It's roughly the same as your average flu year.
00:39:44.360 And then I actually started pulling my own numbers right from the government websites.
00:39:49.220 I went to the government of Alberta and I looked at the flu deaths, historical data over the last six years.
00:39:54.900 And I looked at everything, everything I could find, about every claim that was made on the news.
00:40:00.580 And it didn't jive with the official government data.
00:40:04.000 So they didn't even have the force, they didn't even bother to change the government data, you know.
00:40:10.660 So, and I published it.
00:40:12.260 And of course, people would push back, oh, you're misinterpreting the numbers.
00:40:16.340 They're not my numbers.
00:40:17.860 This is the government data.
00:40:21.280 And there's no excess deaths from COVID.
00:40:27.440 There just wasn't.
00:40:29.640 But there's excess deaths now.
00:40:32.120 I'd understand that correlation doesn't equal causation.
00:40:35.080 Because if it did, ice cream sales in Florida would correlate with the shark attacks.
00:40:40.500 You know, or ice cream sales go up, so do the shark attacks.
00:40:43.920 Well, yes, that's true.
00:40:45.100 It's because there's more shark attacks in warm weather and there's more ice cream sales in warm weather.
00:40:51.220 There's no other correlation there.
00:40:53.180 So correlation doesn't equal causation.
00:40:55.600 But when things that have happened, like sudden adult deaths syndrome, that is not a syndrome.
00:41:02.840 There's something that has changed.
00:41:05.280 We have to figure out what it is that has changed and address it.
00:41:08.840 Like adults, put on our big boy pants and look at this honestly.
00:41:14.800 Honesty is the thing that's lacking.
00:41:16.440 Why are they not revealing the vaccination status of all these young people dying?
00:41:22.120 It's always hidden.
00:41:23.540 It's scrubbed by Google and Facebook.
00:41:26.040 You're not allowed to look at it.
00:41:27.180 You're never allowed to mention it.
00:41:28.460 It's obviously cover up, but you're not allowed to say it.
00:41:31.580 In fact, this part of our interview can't be on YouTube because it'll be scrubbed.
00:41:36.880 We thankfully have alternative media.
00:41:39.460 So we'll air half this interview on YouTube and the other half not because we just can't.
00:41:45.860 We had a huge channel that was actually deleted completely.
00:41:51.700 We had at the time we were growing massively.
00:41:54.260 This was two years ago now.
00:41:55.320 We had 315,000 subscribers and YouTube killed our channel, like took everything off.
00:42:01.680 Thousands of videos gone and all of our audience just gone.
00:42:04.680 Forget it.
00:42:05.160 Well, that's why I have to be so careful.
00:42:06.700 My mission is to save lives and relieve pain by making help for PTSD injuries easily accessible
00:42:11.560 with a vision of a world where the path to recovery is clear.
00:42:14.980 If I talk about these things on my show, I'm in deep trouble because my mission and vision
00:42:20.740 could be hurt.
00:42:22.180 So I stay within my scope because other people that are more educated and more qualified
00:42:27.280 are not only doing it, they're doing it better than I ever could.
00:42:31.340 So I leave it alone for the most part.
00:42:33.580 I would love to get your opinion, though, as a veteran, someone who has risked your own
00:42:38.660 life for our country, what are your thoughts on watching this play out from the leadership
00:42:45.200 in Canada?
00:42:46.000 I was not aware until the last couple of years of how rare courage is.
00:42:53.400 I didn't know.
00:42:54.340 But these big reactions that we see from people, whether it's people that are still wearing
00:43:00.240 their masks that don't work, by the way, that's the science, the fear-based decisions.
00:43:04.920 When emotion is high, rationale is low.
00:43:06.800 And the amount of people who simply have no courage is the vast, vast majority.
00:43:15.780 And I wasn't aware of that before.
00:43:18.780 In the Canadian National Anthem, the word free is said twice.
00:43:23.140 In the American National Anthem, the word free is said once.
00:43:26.860 I'm hoping that for now on, whenever the Canadian or American National Anthems are saying it at
00:43:32.520 a sports event that the word free is screamed above and beyond all the other words, because
00:43:38.940 that's the whole reason we are told to put on the uniform and put ourselves in harm's ways
00:43:46.300 for the freedom of others.
00:43:49.480 And yet, our freedoms here at home are evaporating.
00:43:53.400 And you are mocked and criticized and chastised if you even point it out, much less complain
00:44:03.420 about it.
00:44:03.800 It's a betrayal.
00:44:04.440 It's a betrayal of all the sacrifice of everybody who's ever served.
00:44:10.660 Not everybody who's served sees it that way, but that's how I see it.
00:44:14.700 How are you able to help people on this front?
00:44:16.880 Or do you point them to things?
00:44:18.600 Or, you know, because this is so difficult to get this message out.
00:44:22.480 I know a lot of opinions are really entrenched sometimes.
00:44:24.760 But there are breakthrough points, particularly when the family recognizes a reaction to the
00:44:32.460 shot that, you know, doctors are telling them, no, no, it has nothing to do with that.
00:44:36.480 But the family correlates it and goes, wait a minute, totally fine.
00:44:40.500 Got the shot.
00:44:41.500 Lots of problems right away.
00:44:42.740 Hello, hello.
00:44:44.120 You know, but they're being gaslit too, but nonetheless.
00:44:48.880 What's your best shot at that?
00:44:50.080 Because of the scope of my show, I stay on mental health issues and resources.
00:44:54.760 That's where I keep my focus.
00:44:57.260 Staying in line with that, the best way I've been able to contribute to the conversation
00:45:00.840 is showing people how to have powerful, effective conversations that are persuasive.
00:45:09.040 And that is done by keeping your emotions in check, because when emotion is high, rational
00:45:13.940 is low.
00:45:14.780 It is done by not calling anybody names, by not insulting anybody, by not needing to be
00:45:20.300 right.
00:45:20.960 Take your need to be right.
00:45:22.540 Your ego, set it aside, stay on the facts.
00:45:26.960 And I do this, and I teach this again and again on the show with two basic concepts.
00:45:34.980 One is Graham's hierarchy of arguments.
00:45:37.560 If you look at that cute little pyramid that you can easily find on Google Images, at the
00:45:41.980 top is sticking to the central point.
00:45:43.720 And at the bottom is name calling.
00:45:46.380 And everything is name calling, ad hominem attacks, character attacks.
00:45:51.140 None of that should ever be engaged with, ever, because it doesn't work.
00:45:56.720 All you're doing is creating more and more division.
00:45:59.240 You're not bringing anybody onto your side.
00:46:01.300 You're only preaching to the choir.
00:46:03.020 And that doesn't change hearts and minds.
00:46:04.720 The second is your emotional ego state while you're having a conversation.
00:46:09.960 If you can stay in adult mode and not switch into critical parent or child mode, that is
00:46:17.020 the only way to be effective.
00:46:18.400 And I've actually had trolls, like, I mean, horrible name calling trolls, and I've had
00:46:26.100 them not only apologize to me, but turn into advocates on my behalf.
00:46:30.280 So people can be turned around if you treat them with respect, because when you treat others
00:46:35.480 with respect, even though they're horribly disrespecting you, that teaches them how to
00:46:41.500 communicate with respect through, by leading through example.
00:46:45.160 And I've experienced it more than once, where people who behaved horrifically, very trollishly
00:46:54.760 on social media, have realized, oh, this is really gross.
00:46:58.960 What I just did, what I just said, that's really gross.
00:47:01.160 I'm sorry.
00:47:01.840 I didn't mean to.
00:47:03.740 I just got carried away in the moment.
00:47:06.340 And they turn into friends and advocates.
00:47:09.140 Wow.
00:47:09.680 Well, that's really hopeful.
00:47:10.680 Because I think after, you know, you're taking this up with people, they are receiving all
00:47:17.480 their information from the mainstream media, even relatives.
00:47:20.900 I mean, that's, you know, that's what a lot of us are dealing with.
00:47:23.200 A lot of us are dealing with actual relatives who are getting all their talking points and
00:47:29.180 they're facts, if you will, from CNN.
00:47:31.480 And they lose it.
00:47:33.020 And they regard you as, you know, you've lost your mind because you're not spouting the
00:47:39.560 same narrative.
00:47:40.740 And it's like, it's become a new gospel.
00:47:43.120 It's very much like a new religion.
00:47:45.900 That's the problem with tribalism.
00:47:47.160 That's why I don't pick teams anymore.
00:47:49.560 At one point, I was a member of the Canadian Socialists.
00:47:53.120 I was a member of the New Democrat Party.
00:47:55.540 Because it seemed like I liked Jack Layton at the time, and I liked what they had to say.
00:48:00.440 So I went that way.
00:48:02.200 But when they went into crazy land, I went, wait a second.
00:48:06.500 I didn't stick with that team because that team didn't stick with me.
00:48:10.020 And now I'm leaning towards the Conservative Party.
00:48:14.460 But I'm not their indentured servant.
00:48:18.620 You know, if they start going bonkers as well, I'm not going to stick with them.
00:48:24.900 Because sometimes your team gets it wrong.
00:48:28.120 And if you were just loyal to team blindly, no matter what, like we are with our hockey
00:48:33.640 teams, that doesn't work very well in politics because parties change.
00:48:40.060 The Liberal Party of today is not the thoughtful, reasonable party of John Kratian back in the
00:48:47.260 90s.
00:48:47.920 I voted for John Kratian way back in the 90s.
00:48:50.500 I still like the guy.
00:48:52.180 He was a reasonable guy.
00:48:53.540 And Paul Martin, I like that guy too.
00:48:57.140 But that is not what they are today.
00:49:00.380 So you can't pick teams in politics.
00:49:02.700 You have to stick with your morals, your ethics.
00:49:06.340 And don't let those shift.
00:49:09.140 Let them develop and grow and blossom.
00:49:11.180 But don't let them shift.
00:49:12.920 And then that will be your true north.
00:49:15.480 And when you see the teams that you thought you were a part of, they shift away from you,
00:49:20.940 then you've got to make other choices.
00:49:23.120 But don't pick your political team and be blindly loyal to them.
00:49:27.160 Evaluate them all.
00:49:28.660 And at a different point in time, you might find yourself voting for the Liberals again.
00:49:34.220 Because it depends on what are they actually doing, what's their track record, what's their ethos, and can I trust them?
00:49:42.060 And right now, that's why I'm with the Conservative Party, because it's the best bet that we have by far from my perspective.
00:49:50.720 Mark, thank you.
00:49:51.680 That was a neat journey.
00:49:53.240 Any closing thoughts for us?
00:49:54.640 Just be kind.
00:49:55.760 Be kind simply because you can't.
00:49:57.900 Don't call anybody names.
00:49:59.740 Look at Graham's hierarchy of arguments and try to learn it.
00:50:04.840 Look up transactional analysis.
00:50:07.220 Try to learn how to stay in your adult ego state.
00:50:09.700 It's not easy and everybody fails at it on a regular basis.
00:50:12.980 Just try to fail less often.
00:50:14.400 And that's the only way, is with respect and love and compassion, if you want to bring somebody to your way of thinking.
00:50:23.920 Thank you for that, Mark Meineke.
00:50:25.360 Good to be with you.
00:50:26.280 God bless you.
00:50:27.240 Thanks, brother.
00:50:27.980 You as well.
00:50:28.560 And God bless all of you.
00:50:30.220 We'll see you next time.
00:50:33.220 Hi, everyone.
00:50:33.940 This is John Henry Weston.
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