Milo： ‘Dear White Liberal Women, I’m Coming To Take Your Toys Away’
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The always controversial Milo Yiannopoulos has now done the most controversial thing that can be done: He s come out as ex-gay. With the help of the Consecration to St. Joseph in this year of St. Francis of Assisi, he has managed to stop giving in to same-sex attraction and has been living a chaste life. He gave a blockbuster interview to Life Site's Doug Mainwaring Wednesday which went totally viral. Drudge Report carried it, the UK Daily Mail, The Independent, and the New York Post, among many, many others. He spoke with me yesterday about his decision and his future.
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The always controversial Milo Yiannopoulos has now done the most controversial thing that can be done.
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With the help of the consecration to St. Joseph in this year of St. Joseph,
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he has managed to stop giving in to same-sex attraction and has been living a chaste life.
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He gave a blockbuster interview to LifeSite's Doug Mainwaring Wednesday, which went totally viral.
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Drudge Report carried it, the UK Daily Mail, The Independent, and the New York Post, among many, many others.
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He spoke with me yesterday about his decision and his future.
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This is The John Henry Weston Show. You're going to want to stay tuned.
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Let's begin, as we always do, with the sign of the cross.
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In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen.
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Well, you had a stellar interview with Doug Mainwaring from LifeSiteNews that has really
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traveled the globe. It was on Drudge yesterday, and it's been all over the place.
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We're hoping you're not getting too much negative feedback from that.
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You may or may not have known this, but there is a little conflagration happening on social media
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with regard to the idea of being super straight at the moment.
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It's just sort of bubbling up from the deep, dark recesses of the right-wing internet.
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And so it was a happy accident that our interview kind of collided with that, and so it seems
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to have traveled a long way. So I hope it did well for you. It's been a long time coming
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from my end, so I credit you with intuiting good timing on that.
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Praise God. We do regard things as providential like that. And it's funny because you're a very
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controversial character for most people. Really?
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Yes. Not so much for us, though. In fact, you had sort of a Catholic understanding of many things,
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but of course you had the same kind of idea, I guess, as St. Augustine did. Yeah, I want to be
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Yeah, I remember your interview with Michael Voris along those same lines. It was only two years ago.
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You said in that interview it would be five to ten years, and then you'd be in.
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I think anybody who's been reading me for a long time will have seen this coming. And it was 2015-16
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that I was giving college speeches saying Catholics are right about everything. I think anybody who
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lives with integrity, who believes what they say, and I do certainly aspire to that,
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at some point has to start walking the walk. And I have felt compelled in this direction for a long
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time. I have felt drawn. And when I made the decision, it was, as I said in the interview
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with you guys, not easy, but simple. And the experience of it has been, it was a line I was
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quite pleased with, not theatrical or explosive or dramatic, which may be a sign in itself that my
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homosexual impulses are receding, but rather felt like an uncovering or an unsheathing or
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something. And it's tired to say that a cloud has been lifted. So I'll instead describe it as a veil
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being drawn back on my household. And it certainly feels, the water feels a little clearer and crisper
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For those of you who might not know, you are a sort of, you're considered a very alt-right
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spokesman and very controversial that way, but also very much enamored or interested. The media
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was very interested in you because you presented as a homosexual man or a gay man, and you were in
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a same-sex relationship as well. How long did you live that lifestyle actively?
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I must be tiresome and just, you know, add a caveat to the alt-right label. It certainly
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used to mean something much more harmless than it does now. And when I wrote what I think was the
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most influential piece of political journalism in 2016, which was an establishment conservative's
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guide to the alt-right for Breitbart, which I think pretty much everybody read in that election cycle,
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I described it as something closer to simply nationalist Trumpism, you know. So just to be clear on what
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we meant by that, sorry to be difficult. As your main question, it's taken me 36, 37 years to
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begin to break free from what I now recognize to be the symptoms of the fallout from childhood experiences.
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And I think the central problem with trying to explain to people who have accepted the born-this-way
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propaganda, and I've always known it was that, but the central problem is explaining to them how it can
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be that something that they feel is a natural part of them can in fact be a cluster of symptoms from
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childhood abuse or from childhood trauma, let's say, trauma. And I think when I really confronted
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myself with that reality, things began to happen quite quickly for me. And I've always sort of known
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it, but I've always also thought, I guess, that part of my superpowers were drawn from it. I've always
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thought of myself as a kind of creature of darkness who fights for the light, if that makes sense.
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Um, you know, and I sort of managed to leverage these things, which I, I, you know, my, my,
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my brothers in arms can't or won't do. Uh, I can, but I reached a point with it where I could no longer
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do that, um, authentically. And I, and I wasn't prepared to risk my immortal soul, if you like,
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don't want to get, get like that about it. I kind of felt like I'd gone as far as I could with that
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particular set of weaponry and that something different was being called for now. And something
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different was being expected of me now. Once I really confronted myself with that, it all sort of
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fell into place quite quickly. And it was certainly very useful and powerful for me, you know, five years
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ago to, to, to do all of that. But it doesn't have the same resonance now. And I look at my creations,
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I look at Turning Point USA, Lady Marga, and, and entities like that. And they say all revolutionaries,
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um, grow to hate their children. Right. Um, uh, you know, I look at this, I look at what I created now,
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and I shudder in horror and grief, honestly. Um, and, and I think that really, when I, when I, when I,
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when I really confronted my own feelings about that, the path was obvious, you know, um, there
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was no other way. So it's not, it's, that's what I kind of what I mean by not easy, but simple.
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It's very interesting. You mentioned about the childhood traumas and so on, and, uh, you yourself
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experienced one of, it is one of the most common traumas of people with same-sex attraction that
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they were, uh, abused as children or in addition to overbearing mothers, which might be another
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component of, uh, my own etiology. Uh, maybe that's why there are so many Jewish homosexuals.
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Um, I've, I've, I've often wondered about that. My mother is Jewish technically. So, which makes me
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Jewish technically. Um, I've often wondered whether that's why there are so, there seem to be so many
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Jewish gays that that seems to be the two common factors, right? The two commonalities are, are,
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you know, absent fathers or negative male role models and overbearing mothers, plus some kind of
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traumatic psychosexual event. These two things seem to come together to produce this. So yeah,
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And now, strangely, you, you said you've had a 36 journey sort of even, even recognizing that,
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you know, could be it. And, and the fallout of that, uh, might've led you in the directions that
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you were led, but such considerations today seem to be illegal. Um, people can't get a help from
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people. Did you yourself get some help from someone, uh, in, in terms of counseling or something,
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Yes, I did. And I can't talk too much about this, but I intend to do what I can to provide that
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kind of help or to help, uh, to, uh, let's just say, I intend to spend a large portion of the rest
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of my life on, um, helping to provide that kind of assistance to others. I'm British, so I, I have a
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natural aversion to anything approaching therapy. I think it's all complete nonsense and, and, and, and
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BS, but, uh, certainly the, certainly the spiritual guidance of a good priest can help point you in
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the direction. You have to do all the work yourself. There's no, you know, like, don't,
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don't, don't get it twisted. You can't just, but again, an expensive therapist, they make everything
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much worse. Um, you know, all therapy is a lie and it's all, it's all, it's all just designed to,
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I mean, look, just think of incentives, right? You know, there's a, they're in the business of
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keeping you sick. Uh, it is no different from, no different from big pharma. They're in the
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business of keeping you sick, but priests aren't. Um, and if you look at the incentives of people,
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it tends to guide you relatively well to, you know, picking good help over bad help. I did
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talk to two or three, well, three, three people, um, two, two of whom are priests, uh, at length
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regularly for a long time and will continue to do so. My church going at the moment consists of
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sitting in the back, thinking, you know, carefully and, and re-engaging in a
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light touch way. Uh, and I look forward to being able to, you know, participate more directly
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when I feel I'm ready for that. Uh, but I have been going to, going to church more again, uh,
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once again, going, I've been going back and I've been, I've been getting a lot of, um,
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people seem to like me when they actually talk to me versus when they read headlines about me. So
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I've, I've managed to, I've managed to retain the services of a lot of, uh, influential,
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intelligent, helpful people who have been very anxious to, to assist and to talk to me,
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which I've been very grateful for. I'm very lucky to have.
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There's a thing that it says in the scriptures about how, uh, the angels in heaven rejoice
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more over one repentant sinner than over 99 just.
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Well, I don't know how many people will be rejoicing over my, uh, uh, over my U-turn,
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but I, I, I'm getting the, the, the sense that there are quite a lot of people on earth rejoicing.
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Um, who knows about heaven? So I'm, I'm certainly grateful for that and stunned actually. This is
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the, this is the most, this is the, the, the, this is the most, in a sense, it's the most, if you
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want to put it like this, the most controversial thing I've ever done. Uh, um, but it's also, uh,
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uh, if you want to put it like that, I don't, I don't know, I don't know how I feel about that,
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but, uh, it's also the thing about which I've received the most correspondence I think ever.
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And the great outpouring of people who have said, I've been praying for this has been, um, in that,
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in that, uh, awful phrase of American liberals, very humbling. Um, uh, it, it's, um, but it, it,
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it has, and, you know, just to see bishops tweeting prayers for me has been, um, a little, uh,
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shocking for me, I suppose, as somebody who was wandered into homosexuality, I think,
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initially out of feelings of not being good enough in the first place. Um, it's been, it's been a
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particularly uncomfortable, like, you know, it's made me squirm a little bit as somebody who does not
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feel as though they deserve that level of attention or whatever. Um, it's been the most eye-opening
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experience of my life already. And it's only been going on 56 hours or whatever, not, not,
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not really, not, I mean, not my real life, but you know, publicly speaking, uh, it's, it's definitely
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the most honest thing I've ever done. And probably the thing that I have done that I will be the most
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pleased with or grateful for in the long run. So thank you for, for helping in with that.
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I don't know, you're, you're, you're, you're got your guy, Doug just wrote to me in just the right
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way at just the right time. And, and so many things happen like that, that you're just like,
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all right, thanks. You know, I hear you. Okay. Uh, so yeah, that's, that's, that's what happened.
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It wasn't planned, but, but yeah. Well, it is, it is really neat too, because I think a lot of that
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rejoicing in heaven type of thing happens, uh, to the faithful as well. They, they look, because
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you're a public figure, you're seen, um, but more so than the sort of, uh, shallow, oh yes, we finally
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got one of the popular guys on our side. It's not that it's, it's more like a, a rejoicing that someone
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we've been praying for. I have to tell you, we've been praying for you at LifeSite as well. Um, but
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you know, that you've come to the truth and embraced it in a way. And it's also spectacular
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for us in that you've done it through the intercession of St. Joseph, whose feast we
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celebrate this year. And, uh, that's just such a joy for us because it is the feast of St. Joseph,
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the year of St. Joseph. And also you've done it through, um, the, uh, same book that I think many,
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many of us, uh, have gone through. I just finished that same consecration myself, and now I'm into the
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consecration to Our Lady, which ends March 25th. So tell us a little bit about that devotion to
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St. Joseph that you started. Why'd you start it and how it's going now? Yeah. So I, I, I spoke today
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with Father Calloway and he's, um, he's a fun guy and very lively and combative and, and rambunctious
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and all the rest of it. So he's, he's the kind of priest that appeals to me, you know? Uh, and, um,
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a friend brought it to me and said, maybe this is, it's, it's, it's just, you know, you, you,
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you think of your, you like to think of yourself as a, as a rational science-based logical kind of
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person. And then there are these moments where everything just seems to hang together so perfectly
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and to align so beautifully. And it was just, it was just a friend came to me and said, I think that
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we should do this. And I, I thought about it and I thought, well, I've always felt like a bit of an
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imposter talking about those kinds of subjects. And especially when it tends in, when it, when it
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veers into prayer. But I thought at the same, by the same token, um, if I do this publicly, what I've
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learned about the way that, that the internet works is, you know, people kind of ignore it, ignore it,
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and then when they realize you're serious about it on like day six, suddenly it, it, it blows up,
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you know, which rewards kind of regularity and commitment, which is no bad thing. I have for my
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whole career been consumed with, with concern and fascination and frustration with the gender
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identity madness, with masculinity and with the, you know, the, the loss of men from the church,
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you know, the, the influx of, of unrepentant sodomites, I suppose I should call them now,
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uh, among the clergy, uh, and whatnot. And, and I, I felt as though as an entry point into this
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way of living that St. Joseph is kind of the perfect point of commonality with all of the things that
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have preoccupied me professionally and spiritually as, you know, the patriarch, as the spiritual father,
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as, you know, the head of the Holy family, as, you know, and, and, and I know that a lot of people
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have come to, if you talk to nuns or you talk to priests and you're, you know, a philanderer or they
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sense that you spend a lot of time in the gym or you are in some other way, have some sort of runaway
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sexual appetite as a man, they will often, often encourage you to come to Christ through St. Joseph
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because of, you know, his, his perfect representation of, um, virtuous masculinity and of the heroic manly
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virtues, you know, being a provider, a protector, um, uh, being, you know, the, the, the, the sensitive
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and loving and pious, but strong protective head of the family. That's what I've always aspired
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to be professionally to the disaffected young men that I've always been speaking to through my
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journalism, whether I'm talking about men who give up on women and, you know, and disappear into porn
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and video games or whether it's gamer gate, the, you know, whatever, or whether it's even whether
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it's, it's, um, uh, the Trump stuff, which is, which, you know, all of the Trump meme, you know,
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magic was driven by disaffected young men. A lot of the same people who are now looking for
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spiritual answers because there's this huge religious revival among young conservatives
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at the moment who unfortunately are looking at the Catholic church and seeing a sick, you
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know, corrupted degenerate institution and saying, nope. Uh, and, and instead, you know, looking
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East and, and, and getting drawn into, you know, at least an Orthodox church and it's a lot
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of close enough. Um, I felt that he was the perfect person for me to, to, to, to do this
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with publicly because it just seemed to be very congruent with how I feel about what's
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lacking in the world and what I would like to see more of from myself. Um, so that, that's,
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that's, that's, I don't know if that's a very good answer, but it, it, lots of, lots of discordant
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wind chimes kind of, you know, lined up for me. Uh, and that's, it just, and, and then a
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friend just sort of said, shall we do this thing? Um, and I said, and I thought about it
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and I said, uh, yes, yes, we should do this thing.
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You're always a conundrum for liberals because everyone says not to proselytize.
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There's your friend with perfect proselytization. Um, wanted to ask you about, well, we'll take
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it from where you were just speaking about, you were speaking about young disaffected
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men looking to the Catholic church and seeing a horror show and turning to the East or whatnot.
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I, I pray that you're going to be some kind of, um, uh, remedy for that too. But you also wrote a
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book a couple of years ago, um, diabolical, how Pope Francis has betrayed clerical abuse victims
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like me and why he's got to go. Uh, you, you did have a flare for the dramatic in your headlines,
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but I mean, it's, I guess, very accurate. What, what can you say about that? And what do you say
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about that now post, uh, uh, uh, kind of conversion in a way?
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I consider the coverup systematic, purposeful, deliberate coverup on an industrial scale of
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abuses to be equal in magnitude, in, in magnitude and moral horror to the abuses themselves, which
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is a big thing to say, which will upset a lot of people. But, um, Pope Francis has,
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now, it is a matter of record, been responsible for some of those coverups. This is a situation,
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this is a, uh, uh, uniquely awful situation in which there, it's no longer a case of whispers,
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but a case of known objective fact that the heir to St. Peter's lost his moral and spiritual
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authority by rehabilitating Theodore McCarrick by, um, perpetuating in the coverup, uh, and, uh, and,
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and, uh, and, uh, and in lies about clerical abuse in, um, defending priests who describe victims
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as hysterical as, you know, all the rest of it. Um, the stuff he did as an archbishop, just unspeakable.
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I'm very uncomfortable with a lot of what he's done to pander to the press in terms of this sort
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of peronist power for its own sake. I'll say whatever it takes to make me popular. Um,
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wishy-washy, you can never really nail down what I mean because I keep saying these ambiguous
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accidental things off the cuff. Um, you know, uh, I'm very uncomfortable with that method of,
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um, public relations and I'm very uncomfortable with what it has done for the reputation of the
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church. I'm very uncomfortable with it spiritually. I'm uncomfortable with him, but the thing that he
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does that rises to the level of being plainly unforgivable are the multiple instances of complicity
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that we have seen from Pope Francis when it comes to covering this stuff up. You could accuse
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John Paul II of naivety. You could accuse Benedict of, I think, and I love, I love the man, but you
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know, so I don't say this with any pleasure, but I think you could accuse him of looking the other
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way for a bit too long and then bombing out before, you know, before he had to deal with it. Um, and I,
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and I don't think there's much, um, honor to be found in looking the other way. I think that,
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that strikes me as, as, as cowardice, but I think the guy, you know, is a, is a theologian,
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not really a, a born leader per se. Um, but there is evil of a different order when we consider
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Pope Francis and the things that he, we know he has done the China arrangement to the extent that
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we know the facts where he, as far as we understand, uh, rehabilitated his, you know, pedophile
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friend, um, sent him to China, naturally, rather than staying at the Ritz Carlton, he stays in
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seminaries, um, sent him to China to do a deal with a regime that operates concentration camps
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in which the Catholic church basically endorsed a schismatic church and handed over the reins of,
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uh, uh, of, uh, of, uh, of picking bishops to, uh, you know, this evil authoritarian regime
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in exchange. It now seems obvious for money. I mean, who knows if the details will ever,
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will ever fully come out and we should, you know, we should place that place, plenty of caveats on
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what we're saying, you know, in terms of, but there's good reporting on this and there's real
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reporting on this and there are, you know, we know that we know enough, even though we don't
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know everything to know that there are such deep and horrifying problems with this Pope.
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We're in an impossible situation as Catholics. We can't want him to resign because if we do that
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and we have two Popes in a row resigning, the papacy becomes a political appointment. We will begin
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to see the emergence of factions and ultimately political parties, you know, among cardinals,
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which would be a catastrophe. By the same token, we can't wish the guy dead, even though we might
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have, you know, those dark fantasies we have to control in ourselves. We certainly can't wish for
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him to, you know, as we wouldn't wish for anybody to come to misfortune, but we're in an impossible
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situation where the only right answer seems to be to ride out the storm. But I hold this Pope
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personally responsible for a lot of the worst things that have happened in the church politically
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to do with abuse. And also, you know, China, he is personally responsible for enough wickedness in
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this church that I quake for the future of the magisterium if he's not replaced relatively soon.
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Right. Well, we can do one thing still. We can still pray for his conversion. And we do that at
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LifeSite every day. You said unforgivable. And I don't know if you really meant that because...
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No, I don't. No, I don't. But I think that it's okay to use casually speaking. I think if he were to...
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Unlikely to be forgiven is perhaps more accurate, since I don't think that the man is capable of the kind
00:24:58.280
of introspection, self-awareness, and contrition that would be necessary for, you know, for real
00:25:05.540
forgiveness. I don't think the man is prepared or remotely willing or motivated to admit what he's
00:25:11.580
done wrong and attempt to make it right. I think that he will continue to get away with whatever he
00:25:18.240
can get away with for as long as he can get away with it until he is in a coffin. And so I think
00:25:23.300
perhaps more accurately, it's more accurate to say that he's unlikely to be forgiven.
00:25:29.620
Makes me sad. I mean, I'm on a... I like to think of myself as on a better path now,
00:25:36.980
although I think of myself as, you know, think of myself as a man with great talents and
00:25:43.360
correspondingly great flaws. And that's a complicated and difficult place to live.
00:25:53.360
But I expect better from my church. And when I am speaking on college campuses with more
00:26:00.880
vigour and vim and even fire and brimstone about abortion than any bishop in the United States
00:26:11.480
has ever spoken in public about abortion, I expect better. I expect a lot better.
00:26:18.380
And the funny part is, here you are still in the church. You've looked at the most horrific things
00:26:25.260
in the church. And you describe a lot of people, young men, having looked at it and left and run
00:26:31.620
maybe the other way. Yet, you've not only stayed, you've embraced it in a more real way, even now.
00:26:38.580
Well, things don't stop being true just because, just because the, you know, the church is in a bad
00:26:45.040
place. It's in a bad way. I mean, let's face it, the church has always been in a bad way. This is the
00:26:51.000
rickety arc on which we sit, we sail, right? And there are beautiful, brand new 300 foot
00:26:59.240
gleaming white yachts everywhere around us with pretty girls and hot tubs and champagne.
00:27:05.820
And it would be easy for us to dive off and, and, and go to one of them. But after the
00:27:11.420
tempest, after the storm, after the hurricane, this rickety, you know, stinking, hideous looking
00:27:21.260
arc is the only one that will still be afloat. And, you know, you only have to look, I think people
00:27:27.140
with short memories sometimes, you know, they get caught up in the hysteria. And that's certainly
00:27:32.000
something that anyone involved in American politics is, is vulnerable to. I mean, you only
00:27:35.740
have to look back to the Borgias and the Medici's to realize that the papacy has always been a mess.
00:27:40.780
The Catholic church has always been a mess, but somehow it endures. And I think the only way that
00:27:44.840
it could possibly endure is that it, it, it, for all of its grievous faults, envelops a truth that can
00:27:52.300
never really be suffocated, a light that can't be extinguished, if you like. And, um, that's the only
00:27:59.000
thing that keeps it afloat. And it doesn't really deserve to be afloat, but it is, it is afloat
00:28:03.340
because of the truth that it, it holds in, in trust. Um, and this is, you know, that, that I
00:28:11.080
guess makes the, you know, makes Pope Francis a lot more endurable.
00:28:14.380
One of the things that, um, you're going to be hated for now on top of everything else
00:28:19.760
is that you're proving a lie to the, um, to the falsehood that, that, uh, you're, you're proving
00:28:27.440
it's a lie that you can't change. Um, and I know you're on a journey and, uh, I know you're counting
00:28:32.900
days, which, which I think is, is a great way for accountability, nonetheless, uh, public accountability
00:28:37.500
even, but also you've, you've said that, uh, you, speaking of it works, you might hope to help
00:28:45.520
with that, um, conversion therapy as, as, uh, it's called by the media. How would you think
00:28:53.160
We call it reparative therapy in, uh, in the land of living. Much of this is, you know,
00:28:57.800
nothing different from what I've been saying and what I have known for a long time. For
00:29:02.260
those of your readers and viewers who don't know born this way, we, what we might call
00:29:08.200
the Gaga, the Lady Gaga doctrine of homosexuality, um, is not science. It's public relations.
00:29:15.800
When you look back to the eighties and nineties and the religious right, we're describing
00:29:19.980
homosexuality as a sinful lifestyle choice. Now the idea there is the idea behind a lot
00:29:25.500
of what we talk about. We talk about sin, loving the sinner and hating the sin. This concords
00:29:30.400
by the way, very closely and neatly with modern psychology, which sees people as, um, messy
00:29:37.680
bundles of competing desires and drives, and which prefers to, to, to see people as what they
00:29:43.920
do and how they act rather than what they are. So, um, this is why sometimes on forms
00:29:50.420
you will see, instead of gay men, you'll see men who have sex with men, right? Um, which
00:29:56.020
is a very kind of clunky, modern, awkward way of saying that we prefer to think of people
00:30:01.060
now as what they do, right? Um, there was a really clever response to this, a response
00:30:08.720
that worked from the gay lobby and from the left in the eighties and nineties. They said,
00:30:14.880
okay, well, if this is a sinful lifestyle choice, well, we can't really beat them on their own
00:30:18.560
terms because they kind of got the sin thing like down. And, and so what do we do? Well,
00:30:24.400
we'll say that it's like being black or like being a woman. It's what you are. You're born
00:30:31.900
like you. So we'll invent this thing called the gay gene. And we'll say that you're born
00:30:37.000
this way so that anybody who criticizes or seeks to help you out of this way of life, um,
00:30:44.720
it's just a bigot. They're just a hateful bigot. They're basically the same as a racist,
00:30:51.320
quite brilliant. And it worked. The problem is that it's not true. And what we know for sure
00:31:00.840
about sexuality is fairly thin on the ground, partly because for the last 30 years, it's been
00:31:07.320
almost impossible to do honest research about the origins, about the etiology of homosexuality,
00:31:12.420
unless you're already begging the question by saying you're going in search of the gay gene
00:31:17.460
or whatever. What we know for sure is that people can be born with a variety of different
00:31:23.960
predispositions. Some people are born with a heavy, strong predisposition toward homosexuality.
00:31:30.620
Some people are born with none. And no matter what happens to them in adolescence, they're just
00:31:34.260
never going to be gay. Other people, almost anything could happen and they will probably end up that
00:31:39.620
way. Almost everybody else is somewhere in the middle. And what we know for sure is that
00:31:44.660
scientifically and spiritually is that it's a mixture of nature and nurture and that for everybody
00:31:50.500
that the, the calculus is slightly different. What we are on the verge of being sure of is that
00:32:00.080
both the nature and the nurture are necessary conditions, which is to say the element of sexual
00:32:07.120
orientation, which is environmental, which is based on nature and not nurture can be unraveled.
00:32:15.520
There's a base, there's a scientific sound basis for reparative therapy. When you understand,
00:32:22.640
which is the scientific consensus, that sexual orientation is a mixture of nature and nurture,
00:32:27.920
and that these two things are both necessary conditions. What does that mean? It means that the
00:32:34.160
trauma that the trauma that produced this set of symptoms that produced this behavior can be addressed,
00:32:42.080
can be, if you like, put to bed. And that even though somebody may have lifelong predispositions,
00:32:50.880
that they can at least not give into them and at best even live a full life in the other direction.
00:32:57.200
Um, I have discovered this by living it. I have discovered it because I am somebody who has,
00:33:04.400
uh, let's say a surfeit of self-awareness compared to most people. Um, and I understand how difficult it
00:33:12.240
is for, it's my curse and my boon, you know, having, having this, this great self-reflection. Um,
00:33:20.480
it's very difficult to tell people who have been utterly persuaded by culture that not only is this
00:33:30.080
part of them, um, it's a huge part of them. It should define their personality. They should
00:33:35.200
locate their self-esteem in it. They should build their character around it. And there's nothing they
00:33:40.560
can do to change it. It's just who they were born as. It's enormously difficult to try to then persuade
00:33:45.840
that person that in fact, what you're describing is a set of symptoms to trauma. It's like a scab
00:33:52.240
that must heal, which you can, which can't heal if you keep flicking it off, but that's what it is. And
00:34:00.720
that's something that I think I have a gift as a, as a communicator and as a, I don't want to presume
00:34:08.080
to call myself a teacher of any kind, but I think as somebody who is persuasive and is listened to,
00:34:14.240
and, and people, people seem to go away and think about what I say. Um, I think that I can help
00:34:20.880
more people come to realize that. And if I can, that I should, uh, and I think that I have a moral
00:34:26.560
responsibility to do that. One of the things in your, uh, interview and, uh, your current situation
00:34:31.840
is that, uh, your, your former partner who was, uh, you were involved with, um, is still living with you.
00:34:39.440
A lot of people might say, Oh, that's kind of dangerous. Is it not? Um, but out of some real
00:34:46.080
Well, yeah, no, no. And I understand that. I think, um, I think I'm right in saying that
00:34:51.600
the church would say, if you discover that you are in a marriage that is not in fact valid,
00:34:57.360
that the appropriate thing to do is to consider is to, to live together as brother and sister.
00:35:00.720
Yeah. Obviously it's not directly comparable, but living as brothers is the best way that I
00:35:06.240
can describe what is happening to me. And if that becomes a problem, then it's a problem that will
00:35:12.400
be remedied. Are you willing to, like, you're obviously willing to give up so much. You knew,
00:35:17.840
you know, you're going to get it for this from the left, uh, and, and from the right is strangely
00:35:22.480
from the Republican right that will come for you because they have made a happy medium between being
00:35:29.040
fiscally conservative, but pro LGBT, even, even Trump himself, uh, pushed in that direction.
00:35:35.040
Oh, he's always loved the gays. Um, he's like, he's like, Trump loves the gays. He's,
00:35:40.400
he's an entertainer. He likes entertaining people. I mean, it's no great surprise. Uh,
00:35:44.880
they don't scare me. Right. Nobody's scared. Nothing scares me. I mean, look, I'm British.
00:35:49.920
You understand this as, you know, I think you're in Toronto, right? So you have like one foot
00:35:54.000
in the empire and one foot in America. Well, me too. And, um, sorry, we're supposed to say
00:35:59.600
Commonwealth these days. I view American public life with a healthy sense of ironic detachment.
00:36:08.320
And I do not intimidated or scared or, uh, or, or put off by fulminating, you know, uh,
00:36:18.800
national review writers. Well, not national review anymore commentary or whatever, you know, these,
00:36:25.440
these supposedly influential Washington, like, they just, they don't mean anything to me.
00:36:31.120
They're not real to me. They're, they're, they're just another form of, of, of sprite. They're just,
00:36:38.240
they're just more demons on level 27 to, you know, to take out before you can ascend to the next level of
00:36:45.600
the game. Um, that's, that's that they're, they're, they're sometimes well-intentioned and sometimes
00:36:52.480
not, but they're all misled and misleading and they don't intimidate me. They don't scare me because I
00:37:00.640
don't, I don't allow myself to take them seriously. Um, not to say that they're not fearsome adversaries
00:37:08.000
ideologically. They run the world after all. Um, but I don't take them seriously morally.
00:37:18.080
I don't, I'm not intimidated by them. And I certainly won't allow the kind of, um,
00:37:25.440
revolting hypocrites of the type that run the Lincoln project to be. And these are the same
00:37:32.320
people, by the way, who orchestrated the right wing hit job on me five years ago. Um, the exact
00:37:38.640
precise same people who did that to me are covering for this guy, you know, fiddling with the young
00:37:45.360
boys, right? These people are grotesque, odious hypocrites who deserve to be ridiculed, um, uh,
00:37:54.560
out of public life. And that's how I treat them. Nothing that Jonah Goldberg or, um, you know, Ben
00:38:02.320
Shapiro or any of these people say has the power to affect me emotionally or spiritually or, or, or
00:38:10.880
whatever, because they're not real people that, you know, they don't show their real selves to the, to,
00:38:16.000
to the world. And I know this and I have insight. This is why they find me so dangerous because
00:38:20.480
when you do grow up with the aforesaid sinful urges, you learn quickly to sort of fracture
00:38:27.840
yourself, to present different versions of yourself to different people in order to get along, to get
00:38:32.880
by, to survive. You know, you grow up in a very religious environment and you have these urges,
00:38:37.200
you know, there's certain things you shouldn't say or do around certain people. And you, you,
00:38:42.240
your personality becomes like a, like a Nordic pantheon God who has different aspects, you know,
00:38:49.040
uh, who can be incarnated in different ways, has the same essence, but looks completely different
00:38:53.040
in different stories or whatever, you know, like Odin appears as whatever, you know, that you can't do
00:38:58.400
this over the dinner table at home, but you can do it in the CD club and, you know, in whatever.
00:39:05.200
I see them for what they are. I see these people for the frauds they are. And I see that they are not
00:39:12.080
showing the world who they really are. I know what these people are because I used to do it too.
00:39:17.440
Um, and that's why they don't frighten me because they're not real. They're not real. And that's why
00:39:23.920
they shouldn't frighten you. These people fulminating on Twitter, the Rick Wilsons of the world, you
00:39:29.120
know, the, the Republican strategist people, um, you know, the, the, the, anybody who works at the
00:39:33.760
Daily Wire pretty much, uh, you know, these people don't frighten me because they're not real.
00:39:39.120
One of the things you mentioned is that they do have power. Some of the most powerful people in
00:39:42.720
the world. Do you feel that with what you've done now, you've sort of found the pearl of great
00:39:48.560
price. Should they be able to strip almost everything from you, including perhaps even
00:39:52.880
your life? Would that change your opinion? Would that make you reconsider what you're doing?
00:39:56.400
No, of course not. They already have, they've taken everything. I used to earn millions of dollars a
00:40:01.920
year. Like, you know, now, now I'm renting a terrace house. Like they've already taken it all. I don't
00:40:08.360
care. And in fact, the, the less I have, I mean, I still have a lot. I'm still a lucky person. I'm still,
00:40:17.060
you know, whatever. I can still fit their apartments in my pool, you know, back home in London. But
00:40:21.240
you know, like what I'm, what I mean to say really is the less I have that I'm attached to,
00:40:27.940
the more powerful I feel because the less they have on me, you know, um, uh, and, and they've
00:40:34.120
already done all that. What, what's left? What are you going to do? Destroy my reputation? Done. Uh,
00:40:40.920
impoverish me? Done. Uh, de-platform me? Done. Uh, you know, like what else is there? They have no
00:40:51.240
sensitive and de-platform person in the world, I'm also the freest person in the world,
00:40:55.700
which comes with its own new set of peculiar responsibilities and challenges. But I can say
00:41:01.840
anything. I can say anything. And, and so great is the consensus to blacklist me and pretend that I
00:41:10.200
don't exist on the right and the left. I can do anything. They won't even report on it. You won't
00:41:16.180
see it anywhere. I could say anything. I could do anything. I could become the hateful
00:41:21.060
racist bigot that, that, that left has been calling me. They won't even report on it now
00:41:25.160
because saying my name, you see, these people are, this is how you know they're, how you know that
00:41:31.220
they're servants of darkness. They believe in spells. They believe in magic. Saying my name is
00:41:36.940
casting a spell that they don't want to cast, right? This is how they view the invocation of
00:41:42.260
certain people's, um, names as casting spells. They don't want to give me power by saying my name.
00:41:47.760
That's what cancel culture is. It's magic. It's, it's about banning certain spells.
00:41:53.780
That's what cancel culture is. Um, so great is the, this is like the ultimate, this is the, the,
00:42:01.440
the, the, the, the, the, the witch's council, you know, has a, has a charm on the world. If anybody
00:42:06.580
uses this spell, they're immediately notified and they all show up at the front door to kill the witch.
00:42:11.920
That's what I have on me, right? That's what there is attached to my name. Nobody will dare speak it.
00:42:18.780
And that's enormously powerful because it gives me breathing room to tell the truth,
00:42:24.420
to say, to say what I want to say. I don't have to watch my words. I can't get an agent and I never
00:42:30.300
will again. I can't get a PR company and I never will again. I can't get anything and I never will
00:42:36.020
again. So I don't have to worry about anything. I can just tell the truth. Yeah. And so I've spent
00:42:42.320
the last five years in, in sort of, you know, semi-enforced semi on purpose retirement, uh,
00:42:48.300
thinking about what my next chapter is going to be. And it is now emerging to me. It's now becoming
00:42:52.980
clear. And it's just now, just now, just as I'm finally, and it's no consequence and no accident.
00:43:00.000
I'm sure no coincidence is what I mean. No coincidence that just as things are becoming
00:43:05.400
clearer for me spiritually and personally, that things are becoming clearer for me professionally
00:43:09.920
too. And so this time out that I have spent, um, semi on purpose, semi-enforced has been exactly the
00:43:18.100
right thing to do because now I have my next chapter, which in many ways makes me more terrifying
00:43:26.180
and dangerous and powerful than ever before, because it strikes straight at the heart of the,
00:43:32.060
you know, global homo establishment, whatever. This is in a way much more threatening to them
00:43:40.560
than anything I've ever done before. Saying to them, I'm going to take your toys away. These
00:43:46.260
heterosexual liberal white women who are the root of all madness in America. They're the ones who
00:43:55.180
make gay pride a thing. They're the ones who make drag queen story hour a thing. These lonely housewives
00:43:59.820
who want a gay best friend. It's, it's, it's straight white liberal women who have ruined America.
00:44:05.820
And those are the people I'm going to take your toys away. I'm going to take your gay best friends
00:44:11.100
away. And that is so much worse than anything I've ever done to them before. Um, but that's,
00:44:18.720
what's coming and that's, what's happening. And I'm pushing it against an open door because
00:44:22.300
as maligned and as, um, as maligned and as ridiculed as reparative therapy is,
00:44:31.940
the demand for it has never been greater. And especially among young men, especially among
00:44:40.560
Gen Z, right. And I have a moral responsibility to be at the heart of it. So that's, that's,
00:44:45.360
that's the next five, 10 years of my life. That, that is awesome because now with it being illegal,
00:44:50.380
um, there's a new rebellion, uh, that can be had. Makes it, it only makes it more fun.
00:44:55.820
It does. It does. Milo Yiannopoulos, I'm very happy to say your name. Thank you for being with
00:45:01.040
us in this episode of the John Henry Weston show. Thank you. And God bless you. Thank you.
00:45:04.520
God bless you. And God bless all of you. And we'll see you next time.
00:45:08.060
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