The John-Henry Westen Show - Milo： ‘Dear White Liberal Women, I’m Coming To Take Your Toys Away’

00:00:00.000 The always controversial Milo Yiannopoulos has now done the most controversial thing that can be done.

00:00:05.860 He's come out as ex-gay.

00:00:07.780 With the help of the consecration to St. Joseph in this year of St. Joseph,

00:00:11.640 he has managed to stop giving in to same-sex attraction and has been living a chaste life. 0.50

00:00:16.880 He gave a blockbuster interview to LifeSite's Doug Mainwaring Wednesday, which went totally viral.

00:00:22.660 Drudge Report carried it, the UK Daily Mail, The Independent, and the New York Post, among many, many others.

00:00:28.300 He spoke with me yesterday about his decision and his future.

00:00:32.100 This is The John Henry Weston Show. You're going to want to stay tuned.

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00:01:10.840 Milo Yiannopoulos, welcome to the program.

00:01:13.240 Thank you. Thanks for having me.

00:01:14.740 Let's begin, as we always do, with the sign of the cross.

00:01:16.980 In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen.

00:01:20.720 Well, you had a stellar interview with Doug Mainwaring from LifeSiteNews that has really

00:01:27.660 traveled the globe. It was on Drudge yesterday, and it's been all over the place.

00:01:32.240 We're hoping you're not getting too much negative feedback from that.

00:01:36.280 No, no, of course not.

00:01:37.200 I congratulate you on your timing.

00:01:41.460 You may or may not have known this, but there is a little conflagration happening on social media

00:01:50.340 with regard to the idea of being super straight at the moment.

00:01:54.400 It's just sort of bubbling up from the deep, dark recesses of the right-wing internet.

00:01:59.740 And so it was a happy accident that our interview kind of collided with that, and so it seems

00:02:07.520 to have traveled a long way. So I hope it did well for you. It's been a long time coming

00:02:13.720 from my end, so I credit you with intuiting good timing on that.

00:02:18.980 Praise God. We do regard things as providential like that. And it's funny because you're a very

00:02:25.540 controversial character for most people. Really?

00:02:28.880 Yes. Not so much for us, though. In fact, you had sort of a Catholic understanding of many things,

00:02:37.280 but of course you had the same kind of idea, I guess, as St. Augustine did. Yeah, I want to be

00:02:43.820 faithful, just not yet. But not yet.

00:02:46.420 Yeah, I remember your interview with Michael Voris along those same lines. It was only two years ago.

00:02:50.560 You said in that interview it would be five to ten years, and then you'd be in.

00:02:54.180 I think anybody who's been reading me for a long time will have seen this coming. And it was 2015-16

00:03:00.240 that I was giving college speeches saying Catholics are right about everything. I think anybody who 1.00

00:03:05.300 lives with integrity, who believes what they say, and I do certainly aspire to that,

00:03:12.680 at some point has to start walking the walk. And I have felt compelled in this direction for a long

00:03:20.440 time. I have felt drawn. And when I made the decision, it was, as I said in the interview

00:03:27.940 with you guys, not easy, but simple. And the experience of it has been, it was a line I was

00:03:34.160 quite pleased with, not theatrical or explosive or dramatic, which may be a sign in itself that my

00:03:41.500 homosexual impulses are receding, but rather felt like an uncovering or an unsheathing or 0.76

00:03:48.320 something. And it's tired to say that a cloud has been lifted. So I'll instead describe it as a veil

00:03:55.740 being drawn back on my household. And it certainly feels, the water feels a little clearer and crisper

00:04:03.160 this morning, if that makes sense.

00:04:05.800 For those of you who might not know, you are a sort of, you're considered a very alt-right

00:04:10.600 spokesman and very controversial that way, but also very much enamored or interested. The media

00:04:17.640 was very interested in you because you presented as a homosexual man or a gay man, and you were in

00:04:22.680 a same-sex relationship as well. How long did you live that lifestyle actively?

00:04:28.060 I must be tiresome and just, you know, add a caveat to the alt-right label. It certainly

00:04:32.600 used to mean something much more harmless than it does now. And when I wrote what I think was the

00:04:39.800 most influential piece of political journalism in 2016, which was an establishment conservative's

00:04:45.880 guide to the alt-right for Breitbart, which I think pretty much everybody read in that election cycle,

00:04:51.020 I described it as something closer to simply nationalist Trumpism, you know. So just to be clear on what

00:05:00.220 we meant by that, sorry to be difficult. As your main question, it's taken me 36, 37 years to

00:05:10.380 begin to break free from what I now recognize to be the symptoms of the fallout from childhood experiences.

00:05:22.860 And I think the central problem with trying to explain to people who have accepted the born-this-way

00:05:33.020 propaganda, and I've always known it was that, but the central problem is explaining to them how it can

00:05:40.140 be that something that they feel is a natural part of them can in fact be a cluster of symptoms from

00:05:50.540 childhood abuse or from childhood trauma, let's say, trauma. And I think when I really confronted

00:06:01.020 myself with that reality, things began to happen quite quickly for me. And I've always sort of known

00:06:09.020 it, but I've always also thought, I guess, that part of my superpowers were drawn from it. I've always

00:06:14.380 thought of myself as a kind of creature of darkness who fights for the light, if that makes sense.

00:06:17.740 Um, you know, and I sort of managed to leverage these things, which I, I, you know, my, my,

00:06:23.980 my brothers in arms can't or won't do. Uh, I can, but I reached a point with it where I could no longer

00:06:35.580 do that, um, authentically. And I, and I wasn't prepared to risk my immortal soul, if you like,

00:06:41.820 don't want to get, get like that about it. I kind of felt like I'd gone as far as I could with that

00:06:46.540 particular set of weaponry and that something different was being called for now. And something

00:06:54.140 different was being expected of me now. Once I really confronted myself with that, it all sort of

00:06:58.940 fell into place quite quickly. And it was certainly very useful and powerful for me, you know, five years

00:07:05.180 ago to, to, to do all of that. But it doesn't have the same resonance now. And I look at my creations,

00:07:12.700 I look at Turning Point USA, Lady Marga, and, and entities like that. And they say all revolutionaries,

00:07:19.180 um, grow to hate their children. Right. Um, uh, you know, I look at this, I look at what I created now,

00:07:25.660 and I shudder in horror and grief, honestly. Um, and, and I think that really, when I, when I, when I,

00:07:33.580 when I really confronted my own feelings about that, the path was obvious, you know, um, there

00:07:39.740 was no other way. So it's not, it's, that's what I kind of what I mean by not easy, but simple.

00:07:44.860 It's very interesting. You mentioned about the childhood traumas and so on, and, uh, you yourself

00:07:51.340 experienced one of, it is one of the most common traumas of people with same-sex attraction that 0.96

00:07:56.860 they were, uh, abused as children or in addition to overbearing mothers, which might be another

00:08:02.780 component of, uh, my own etiology. Uh, maybe that's why there are so many Jewish homosexuals. 1.00

00:08:08.140 Um, I've, I've, I've often wondered about that. My mother is Jewish technically. So, which makes me

00:08:12.220 Jewish technically. Um, I've often wondered whether that's why there are so, there seem to be so many 1.00

00:08:16.380 Jewish gays that that seems to be the two common factors, right? The two commonalities are, are,

00:08:22.060 you know, absent fathers or negative male role models and overbearing mothers, plus some kind of

00:08:29.260 traumatic psychosexual event. These two things seem to come together to produce this. So yeah,

00:08:36.540 I think, I think that's right.

00:08:37.660 And now, strangely, you, you said you've had a 36 journey sort of even, even recognizing that,

00:08:44.460 you know, could be it. And, and the fallout of that, uh, might've led you in the directions that

00:08:49.180 you were led, but such considerations today seem to be illegal. Um, people can't get a help from

00:08:57.180 people. Did you yourself get some help from someone, uh, in, in terms of counseling or something,

00:09:01.900 uh, to, to come to this realization?

00:09:03.980 Yes, I did. And I can't talk too much about this, but I intend to do what I can to provide that

00:09:08.460 kind of help or to help, uh, to, uh, let's just say, I intend to spend a large portion of the rest

00:09:15.900 of my life on, um, helping to provide that kind of assistance to others. I'm British, so I, I have a

00:09:22.460 natural aversion to anything approaching therapy. I think it's all complete nonsense and, and, and, and

00:09:27.740 BS, but, uh, certainly the, certainly the spiritual guidance of a good priest can help point you in

00:09:38.220 the direction. You have to do all the work yourself. There's no, you know, like, don't,

00:09:42.060 don't, don't get it twisted. You can't just, but again, an expensive therapist, they make everything 0.73

00:09:45.900 much worse. Um, you know, all therapy is a lie and it's all, it's all, it's all just designed to,

00:09:51.740 I mean, look, just think of incentives, right? You know, there's a, they're in the business of

00:09:55.260 keeping you sick. Uh, it is no different from, no different from big pharma. They're in the

00:09:59.020 business of keeping you sick, but priests aren't. Um, and if you look at the incentives of people,

00:10:03.340 it tends to guide you relatively well to, you know, picking good help over bad help. I did

00:10:09.820 talk to two or three, well, three, three people, um, two, two of whom are priests, uh, at length

00:10:16.060 regularly for a long time and will continue to do so. My church going at the moment consists of

00:10:21.100 sitting in the back, thinking, you know, carefully and, and re-engaging in a

00:10:25.020 light touch way. Uh, and I look forward to being able to, you know, participate more directly

00:10:31.980 when I feel I'm ready for that. Uh, but I have been going to, going to church more again, uh,

00:10:38.700 once again, going, I've been going back and I've been, I've been getting a lot of, um,

00:10:44.300 people seem to like me when they actually talk to me versus when they read headlines about me. So

00:10:48.860 I've, I've managed to, I've managed to retain the services of a lot of, uh, influential,

00:10:55.020 intelligent, helpful people who have been very anxious to, to assist and to talk to me,

00:10:59.340 which I've been very grateful for. I'm very lucky to have.

00:11:01.500 There's a thing that it says in the scriptures about how, uh, the angels in heaven rejoice

00:11:06.460 more over one repentant sinner than over 99 just.

00:11:09.260 Well, I don't know how many people will be rejoicing over my, uh, uh, over my U-turn,

00:11:15.340 but I, I, I'm getting the, the, the sense that there are quite a lot of people on earth rejoicing.

00:11:20.780 Um, who knows about heaven? So I'm, I'm certainly grateful for that and stunned actually. This is

00:11:27.100 the, this is the most, this is the, the, the, this is the most, in a sense, it's the most, if you

00:11:32.380 want to put it like this, the most controversial thing I've ever done. Uh, um, but it's also, uh,

00:11:36.540 uh, if you want to put it like that, I don't, I don't know, I don't know how I feel about that,

00:11:39.100 but, uh, it's also the thing about which I've received the most correspondence I think ever.

00:11:45.500 And the great outpouring of people who have said, I've been praying for this has been, um, in that,

00:11:51.660 in that, uh, awful phrase of American liberals, very humbling. Um, uh, it, it's, um, but it, it,

00:11:59.500 it has, and, you know, just to see bishops tweeting prayers for me has been, um, a little, uh,

00:12:06.780 shocking for me, I suppose, as somebody who was wandered into homosexuality, I think, 0.98

00:12:13.420 initially out of feelings of not being good enough in the first place. Um, it's been, it's been a

00:12:21.340 particularly uncomfortable, like, you know, it's made me squirm a little bit as somebody who does not

00:12:27.500 feel as though they deserve that level of attention or whatever. Um, it's been the most eye-opening

00:12:34.980 experience of my life already. And it's only been going on 56 hours or whatever, not, not,

00:12:40.500 not really, not, I mean, not my real life, but you know, publicly speaking, uh, it's, it's definitely

00:12:46.180 the most honest thing I've ever done. And probably the thing that I have done that I will be the most

00:12:52.580 pleased with or grateful for in the long run. So thank you for, for helping in with that.

00:12:59.780 I don't know, you're, you're, you're, you're got your guy, Doug just wrote to me in just the right

00:13:03.700 way at just the right time. And, and so many things happen like that, that you're just like,

00:13:07.980 all right, thanks. You know, I hear you. Okay. Uh, so yeah, that's, that's, that's what happened.

00:13:16.300 It wasn't planned, but, but yeah. Well, it is, it is really neat too, because I think a lot of that

00:13:21.460 rejoicing in heaven type of thing happens, uh, to the faithful as well. They, they look, because

00:13:27.800 you're a public figure, you're seen, um, but more so than the sort of, uh, shallow, oh yes, we finally

00:13:34.740 got one of the popular guys on our side. It's not that it's, it's more like a, a rejoicing that someone

00:13:41.240 we've been praying for. I have to tell you, we've been praying for you at LifeSite as well. Um, but

00:13:45.460 you know, that you've come to the truth and embraced it in a way. And it's also spectacular

00:13:53.100 for us in that you've done it through the intercession of St. Joseph, whose feast we

00:13:57.140 celebrate this year. And, uh, that's just such a joy for us because it is the feast of St. Joseph,

00:14:04.420 the year of St. Joseph. And also you've done it through, um, the, uh, same book that I think many,

00:14:09.660 many of us, uh, have gone through. I just finished that same consecration myself, and now I'm into the

00:14:14.580 consecration to Our Lady, which ends March 25th. So tell us a little bit about that devotion to

00:14:19.880 St. Joseph that you started. Why'd you start it and how it's going now? Yeah. So I, I, I spoke today

00:14:25.720 with Father Calloway and he's, um, he's a fun guy and very lively and combative and, and rambunctious

00:14:33.840 and all the rest of it. So he's, he's the kind of priest that appeals to me, you know? Uh, and, um,

00:14:39.940 a friend brought it to me and said, maybe this is, it's, it's, it's just, you know, you, you,

00:14:47.060 you think of your, you like to think of yourself as a, as a rational science-based logical kind of

00:14:52.720 person. And then there are these moments where everything just seems to hang together so perfectly

00:14:58.360 and to align so beautifully. And it was just, it was just a friend came to me and said, I think that

00:15:04.620 we should do this. And I, I thought about it and I thought, well, I've always felt like a bit of an

00:15:08.240 imposter talking about those kinds of subjects. And especially when it tends in, when it, when it

00:15:13.620 veers into prayer. But I thought at the same, by the same token, um, if I do this publicly, what I've

00:15:21.940 learned about the way that, that the internet works is, you know, people kind of ignore it, ignore it,

00:15:26.740 and then when they realize you're serious about it on like day six, suddenly it, it, it blows up,

00:15:32.700 you know, which rewards kind of regularity and commitment, which is no bad thing. I have for my

00:15:38.060 whole career been consumed with, with concern and fascination and frustration with the gender

00:15:45.280 identity madness, with masculinity and with the, you know, the, the loss of men from the church,

00:15:51.760 you know, the, the influx of, of unrepentant sodomites, I suppose I should call them now, 1.00

00:15:58.280 uh, among the clergy, uh, and whatnot. And, and I, I felt as though as an entry point into this 0.81

00:16:05.800 way of living that St. Joseph is kind of the perfect point of commonality with all of the things that

00:16:12.780 have preoccupied me professionally and spiritually as, you know, the patriarch, as the spiritual father,

00:16:19.880 as, you know, the head of the Holy family, as, you know, and, and, and I know that a lot of people

00:16:24.940 have come to, if you talk to nuns or you talk to priests and you're, you know, a philanderer or they

00:16:33.860 sense that you spend a lot of time in the gym or you are in some other way, have some sort of runaway

00:16:39.760 sexual appetite as a man, they will often, often encourage you to come to Christ through St. Joseph

00:16:45.880 because of, you know, his, his perfect representation of, um, virtuous masculinity and of the heroic manly

00:16:57.120 virtues, you know, being a provider, a protector, um, uh, being, you know, the, the, the, the sensitive

00:17:04.420 and loving and pious, but strong protective head of the family. That's what I've always aspired

00:17:10.880 to be professionally to the disaffected young men that I've always been speaking to through my

00:17:15.660 journalism, whether I'm talking about men who give up on women and, you know, and disappear into porn

00:17:21.520 and video games or whether it's gamer gate, the, you know, whatever, or whether it's even whether

00:17:26.860 it's, it's, um, uh, the Trump stuff, which is, which, you know, all of the Trump meme, you know,

00:17:33.820 magic was driven by disaffected young men. A lot of the same people who are now looking for

00:17:39.140 spiritual answers because there's this huge religious revival among young conservatives

00:17:43.240 at the moment who unfortunately are looking at the Catholic church and seeing a sick, you 0.76

00:17:48.760 know, corrupted degenerate institution and saying, nope. Uh, and, and instead, you know, looking 0.95

00:17:55.500 East and, and, and getting drawn into, you know, at least an Orthodox church and it's a lot

00:18:00.100 of close enough. Um, I felt that he was the perfect person for me to, to, to, to do this

00:18:08.220 with publicly because it just seemed to be very congruent with how I feel about what's

00:18:13.400 lacking in the world and what I would like to see more of from myself. Um, so that, that's,

00:18:19.700 that's, that's, I don't know if that's a very good answer, but it, it, lots of, lots of discordant

00:18:24.100 wind chimes kind of, you know, lined up for me. Uh, and that's, it just, and, and then a

00:18:28.860 friend just sort of said, shall we do this thing? Um, and I said, and I thought about it

00:18:33.560 and I said, uh, yes, yes, we should do this thing.

00:18:35.820 You're always a conundrum for liberals because everyone says not to proselytize.

00:18:39.320 For me too, for me too.

00:18:42.120 There's your friend with perfect proselytization. Um, wanted to ask you about, well, we'll take

00:18:48.160 it from where you were just speaking about, you were speaking about young disaffected

00:18:52.200 men looking to the Catholic church and seeing a horror show and turning to the East or whatnot.

00:18:56.740 I, I pray that you're going to be some kind of, um, uh, remedy for that too. But you also wrote a

00:19:03.380 book a couple of years ago, um, diabolical, how Pope Francis has betrayed clerical abuse victims

00:19:08.880 like me and why he's got to go. Uh, you, you did have a flare for the dramatic in your headlines,

00:19:16.600 but I mean, it's, I guess, very accurate. What, what can you say about that? And what do you say

00:19:21.000 about that now post, uh, uh, uh, kind of conversion in a way?

00:19:25.440 I consider the coverup systematic, purposeful, deliberate coverup on an industrial scale of

00:19:35.080 abuses to be equal in magnitude, in, in magnitude and moral horror to the abuses themselves, which

00:19:42.400 is a big thing to say, which will upset a lot of people. But, um, Pope Francis has,

00:19:50.520 now, it is a matter of record, been responsible for some of those coverups. This is a situation,

00:19:58.020 this is a, uh, uh, uniquely awful situation in which there, it's no longer a case of whispers,

00:20:05.680 but a case of known objective fact that the heir to St. Peter's lost his moral and spiritual

00:20:15.140 authority by rehabilitating Theodore McCarrick by, um, perpetuating in the coverup, uh, and, uh, and,

00:20:25.800 and, uh, and, uh, and in lies about clerical abuse in, um, defending priests who describe victims

00:20:34.020 as hysterical as, you know, all the rest of it. Um, the stuff he did as an archbishop, just unspeakable.

00:20:40.300 I'm very uncomfortable with a lot of what he's done to pander to the press in terms of this sort

00:20:47.800 of peronist power for its own sake. I'll say whatever it takes to make me popular. Um,

00:20:54.900 wishy-washy, you can never really nail down what I mean because I keep saying these ambiguous

00:20:59.540 accidental things off the cuff. Um, you know, uh, I'm very uncomfortable with that method of,

00:21:06.780 um, public relations and I'm very uncomfortable with what it has done for the reputation of the

00:21:12.680 church. I'm very uncomfortable with it spiritually. I'm uncomfortable with him, but the thing that he

00:21:19.240 does that rises to the level of being plainly unforgivable are the multiple instances of complicity

00:21:27.280 that we have seen from Pope Francis when it comes to covering this stuff up. You could accuse

00:21:32.340 John Paul II of naivety. You could accuse Benedict of, I think, and I love, I love the man, but you

00:21:40.620 know, so I don't say this with any pleasure, but I think you could accuse him of looking the other

00:21:43.700 way for a bit too long and then bombing out before, you know, before he had to deal with it. Um, and I,

00:21:50.000 and I don't think there's much, um, honor to be found in looking the other way. I think that,

00:21:55.740 that strikes me as, as, as cowardice, but I think the guy, you know, is a, is a theologian,

00:22:00.540 not really a, a born leader per se. Um, but there is evil of a different order when we consider

00:22:09.480 Pope Francis and the things that he, we know he has done the China arrangement to the extent that

00:22:15.940 we know the facts where he, as far as we understand, uh, rehabilitated his, you know, pedophile

00:22:23.540 friend, um, sent him to China, naturally, rather than staying at the Ritz Carlton, he stays in

00:22:31.120 seminaries, um, sent him to China to do a deal with a regime that operates concentration camps

00:22:38.920 in which the Catholic church basically endorsed a schismatic church and handed over the reins of,

00:22:47.240 uh, uh, of, uh, of, uh, of picking bishops to, uh, you know, this evil authoritarian regime

00:22:55.820 in exchange. It now seems obvious for money. I mean, who knows if the details will ever,

00:23:04.180 will ever fully come out and we should, you know, we should place that place, plenty of caveats on

00:23:09.200 what we're saying, you know, in terms of, but there's good reporting on this and there's real

00:23:12.860 reporting on this and there are, you know, we know that we know enough, even though we don't

00:23:16.920 know everything to know that there are such deep and horrifying problems with this Pope.

00:23:23.740 We're in an impossible situation as Catholics. We can't want him to resign because if we do that

00:23:33.940 and we have two Popes in a row resigning, the papacy becomes a political appointment. We will begin

00:23:38.620 to see the emergence of factions and ultimately political parties, you know, among cardinals,

00:23:46.400 which would be a catastrophe. By the same token, we can't wish the guy dead, even though we might

00:23:53.080 have, you know, those dark fantasies we have to control in ourselves. We certainly can't wish for

00:23:59.580 him to, you know, as we wouldn't wish for anybody to come to misfortune, but we're in an impossible

00:24:04.500 situation where the only right answer seems to be to ride out the storm. But I hold this Pope

00:24:10.320 personally responsible for a lot of the worst things that have happened in the church politically

00:24:15.900 to do with abuse. And also, you know, China, he is personally responsible for enough wickedness in 0.99

00:24:23.820 this church that I quake for the future of the magisterium if he's not replaced relatively soon.

00:24:31.420 Right. Well, we can do one thing still. We can still pray for his conversion. And we do that at

00:24:36.060 LifeSite every day. You said unforgivable. And I don't know if you really meant that because...

00:24:44.200 No, I don't. No, I don't. But I think that it's okay to use casually speaking. I think if he were to...

00:24:53.000 Unlikely to be forgiven is perhaps more accurate, since I don't think that the man is capable of the kind

00:24:58.280 of introspection, self-awareness, and contrition that would be necessary for, you know, for real

00:25:05.540 forgiveness. I don't think the man is prepared or remotely willing or motivated to admit what he's

00:25:11.580 done wrong and attempt to make it right. I think that he will continue to get away with whatever he

00:25:18.240 can get away with for as long as he can get away with it until he is in a coffin. And so I think

00:25:23.300 perhaps more accurately, it's more accurate to say that he's unlikely to be forgiven.

00:25:29.620 Makes me sad. I mean, I'm on a... I like to think of myself as on a better path now,

00:25:36.980 although I think of myself as, you know, think of myself as a man with great talents and

00:25:43.360 correspondingly great flaws. And that's a complicated and difficult place to live.

00:25:53.360 But I expect better from my church. And when I am speaking on college campuses with more

00:26:00.880 vigour and vim and even fire and brimstone about abortion than any bishop in the United States

00:26:11.480 has ever spoken in public about abortion, I expect better. I expect a lot better.

00:26:18.380 And the funny part is, here you are still in the church. You've looked at the most horrific things

00:26:25.260 in the church. And you describe a lot of people, young men, having looked at it and left and run

00:26:31.620 maybe the other way. Yet, you've not only stayed, you've embraced it in a more real way, even now.

00:26:38.580 Well, things don't stop being true just because, just because the, you know, the church is in a bad

00:26:45.040 place. It's in a bad way. I mean, let's face it, the church has always been in a bad way. This is the

00:26:51.000 rickety arc on which we sit, we sail, right? And there are beautiful, brand new 300 foot

00:26:59.240 gleaming white yachts everywhere around us with pretty girls and hot tubs and champagne.

00:27:05.820 And it would be easy for us to dive off and, and, and go to one of them. But after the

00:27:11.420 tempest, after the storm, after the hurricane, this rickety, you know, stinking, hideous looking

00:27:21.260 arc is the only one that will still be afloat. And, you know, you only have to look, I think people

00:27:27.140 with short memories sometimes, you know, they get caught up in the hysteria. And that's certainly

00:27:32.000 something that anyone involved in American politics is, is vulnerable to. I mean, you only

00:27:35.740 have to look back to the Borgias and the Medici's to realize that the papacy has always been a mess.

00:27:40.780 The Catholic church has always been a mess, but somehow it endures. And I think the only way that 1.00

00:27:44.840 it could possibly endure is that it, it, it, for all of its grievous faults, envelops a truth that can

00:27:52.300 never really be suffocated, a light that can't be extinguished, if you like. And, um, that's the only

00:27:59.000 thing that keeps it afloat. And it doesn't really deserve to be afloat, but it is, it is afloat

00:28:03.340 because of the truth that it, it holds in, in trust. Um, and this is, you know, that, that I

00:28:11.080 guess makes the, you know, makes Pope Francis a lot more endurable.

00:28:14.380 One of the things that, um, you're going to be hated for now on top of everything else

00:28:19.760 is that you're proving a lie to the, um, to the falsehood that, that, uh, you're, you're proving

00:28:27.440 it's a lie that you can't change. Um, and I know you're on a journey and, uh, I know you're counting

00:28:32.900 days, which, which I think is, is a great way for accountability, nonetheless, uh, public accountability

00:28:37.500 even, but also you've, you've said that, uh, you, speaking of it works, you might hope to help

00:28:45.520 with that, um, conversion therapy as, as, uh, it's called by the media. How would you think

00:28:52.520 to do that?

00:28:53.160 We call it reparative therapy in, uh, in the land of living. Much of this is, you know,

00:28:57.800 nothing different from what I've been saying and what I have known for a long time. For

00:29:02.260 those of your readers and viewers who don't know born this way, we, what we might call

00:29:08.200 the Gaga, the Lady Gaga doctrine of homosexuality, um, is not science. It's public relations.

00:29:15.800 When you look back to the eighties and nineties and the religious right, we're describing

00:29:19.980 homosexuality as a sinful lifestyle choice. Now the idea there is the idea behind a lot 1.00

00:29:25.500 of what we talk about. We talk about sin, loving the sinner and hating the sin. This concords

00:29:30.400 by the way, very closely and neatly with modern psychology, which sees people as, um, messy

00:29:37.680 bundles of competing desires and drives, and which prefers to, to, to see people as what they

00:29:43.920 do and how they act rather than what they are. So, um, this is why sometimes on forms

00:29:50.420 you will see, instead of gay men, you'll see men who have sex with men, right? Um, which 0.95

00:29:56.020 is a very kind of clunky, modern, awkward way of saying that we prefer to think of people

00:30:01.060 now as what they do, right? Um, there was a really clever response to this, a response

00:30:08.720 that worked from the gay lobby and from the left in the eighties and nineties. They said,

00:30:14.880 okay, well, if this is a sinful lifestyle choice, well, we can't really beat them on their own

00:30:18.560 terms because they kind of got the sin thing like down. And, and so what do we do? Well,

00:30:24.400 we'll say that it's like being black or like being a woman. It's what you are. You're born 0.70

00:30:31.900 like you. So we'll invent this thing called the gay gene. And we'll say that you're born 0.99

00:30:37.000 this way so that anybody who criticizes or seeks to help you out of this way of life, um,

00:30:44.720 it's just a bigot. They're just a hateful bigot. They're basically the same as a racist, 0.96

00:30:51.320 quite brilliant. And it worked. The problem is that it's not true. And what we know for sure

00:31:00.840 about sexuality is fairly thin on the ground, partly because for the last 30 years, it's been

00:31:07.320 almost impossible to do honest research about the origins, about the etiology of homosexuality,

00:31:12.420 unless you're already begging the question by saying you're going in search of the gay gene

00:31:17.460 or whatever. What we know for sure is that people can be born with a variety of different

00:31:23.960 predispositions. Some people are born with a heavy, strong predisposition toward homosexuality.

00:31:30.620 Some people are born with none. And no matter what happens to them in adolescence, they're just

00:31:34.260 never going to be gay. Other people, almost anything could happen and they will probably end up that 1.00

00:31:39.620 way. Almost everybody else is somewhere in the middle. And what we know for sure is that

00:31:44.660 scientifically and spiritually is that it's a mixture of nature and nurture and that for everybody

00:31:50.500 that the, the calculus is slightly different. What we are on the verge of being sure of is that

00:32:00.080 both the nature and the nurture are necessary conditions, which is to say the element of sexual

00:32:07.120 orientation, which is environmental, which is based on nature and not nurture can be unraveled.

00:32:15.520 There's a base, there's a scientific sound basis for reparative therapy. When you understand,

00:32:22.640 which is the scientific consensus, that sexual orientation is a mixture of nature and nurture,

00:32:27.920 and that these two things are both necessary conditions. What does that mean? It means that the

00:32:34.160 trauma that the trauma that produced this set of symptoms that produced this behavior can be addressed,

00:32:42.080 can be, if you like, put to bed. And that even though somebody may have lifelong predispositions,

00:32:50.880 that they can at least not give into them and at best even live a full life in the other direction.

00:32:57.200 Um, I have discovered this by living it. I have discovered it because I am somebody who has,

00:33:04.400 uh, let's say a surfeit of self-awareness compared to most people. Um, and I understand how difficult it

00:33:12.240 is for, it's my curse and my boon, you know, having, having this, this great self-reflection. Um,

00:33:20.480 it's very difficult to tell people who have been utterly persuaded by culture that not only is this

00:33:30.080 part of them, um, it's a huge part of them. It should define their personality. They should

00:33:35.200 locate their self-esteem in it. They should build their character around it. And there's nothing they

00:33:40.560 can do to change it. It's just who they were born as. It's enormously difficult to try to then persuade

00:33:45.840 that person that in fact, what you're describing is a set of symptoms to trauma. It's like a scab

00:33:52.240 that must heal, which you can, which can't heal if you keep flicking it off, but that's what it is. And

00:34:00.720 that's something that I think I have a gift as a, as a communicator and as a, I don't want to presume

00:34:08.080 to call myself a teacher of any kind, but I think as somebody who is persuasive and is listened to,

00:34:14.240 and, and people, people seem to go away and think about what I say. Um, I think that I can help

00:34:20.880 more people come to realize that. And if I can, that I should, uh, and I think that I have a moral

00:34:26.560 responsibility to do that. One of the things in your, uh, interview and, uh, your current situation

00:34:31.840 is that, uh, your, your former partner who was, uh, you were involved with, um, is still living with you.

00:34:39.440 A lot of people might say, Oh, that's kind of dangerous. Is it not? Um, but out of some real

00:34:44.800 concern sometimes, not just, uh...

00:34:46.080 Well, yeah, no, no. And I understand that. I think, um, I think I'm right in saying that

00:34:51.600 the church would say, if you discover that you are in a marriage that is not in fact valid,

00:34:57.360 that the appropriate thing to do is to consider is to, to live together as brother and sister.

00:35:00.720 Yeah. Obviously it's not directly comparable, but living as brothers is the best way that I

00:35:06.240 can describe what is happening to me. And if that becomes a problem, then it's a problem that will

00:35:12.400 be remedied. Are you willing to, like, you're obviously willing to give up so much. You knew,

00:35:17.840 you know, you're going to get it for this from the left, uh, and, and from the right is strangely

00:35:22.480 from the Republican right that will come for you because they have made a happy medium between being

00:35:29.040 fiscally conservative, but pro LGBT, even, even Trump himself, uh, pushed in that direction.

00:35:35.040 Oh, he's always loved the gays. Um, he's like, he's like, Trump loves the gays. He's,

00:35:40.400 he's an entertainer. He likes entertaining people. I mean, it's no great surprise. Uh,

00:35:44.880 they don't scare me. Right. Nobody's scared. Nothing scares me. I mean, look, I'm British.

00:35:49.920 You understand this as, you know, I think you're in Toronto, right? So you have like one foot

00:35:54.000 in the empire and one foot in America. Well, me too. And, um, sorry, we're supposed to say

00:35:59.600 Commonwealth these days. I view American public life with a healthy sense of ironic detachment.

00:36:08.320 And I do not intimidated or scared or, uh, or, or put off by fulminating, you know, uh,

00:36:18.800 national review writers. Well, not national review anymore commentary or whatever, you know, these,

00:36:25.440 these supposedly influential Washington, like, they just, they don't mean anything to me.

00:36:31.120 They're not real to me. They're, they're, they're just another form of, of, of sprite. They're just,

00:36:38.240 they're just more demons on level 27 to, you know, to take out before you can ascend to the next level of

00:36:45.600 the game. Um, that's, that's that they're, they're, they're sometimes well-intentioned and sometimes

00:36:52.480 not, but they're all misled and misleading and they don't intimidate me. They don't scare me because I

00:37:00.640 don't, I don't allow myself to take them seriously. Um, not to say that they're not fearsome adversaries

00:37:08.000 ideologically. They run the world after all. Um, but I don't take them seriously morally.

00:37:18.080 I don't, I'm not intimidated by them. And I certainly won't allow the kind of, um,

00:37:25.440 revolting hypocrites of the type that run the Lincoln project to be. And these are the same 0.98

00:37:32.320 people, by the way, who orchestrated the right wing hit job on me five years ago. Um, the exact

00:37:38.640 precise same people who did that to me are covering for this guy, you know, fiddling with the young

00:37:45.360 boys, right? These people are grotesque, odious hypocrites who deserve to be ridiculed, um, uh, 0.99

00:37:54.560 out of public life. And that's how I treat them. Nothing that Jonah Goldberg or, um, you know, Ben 1.00

00:38:02.320 Shapiro or any of these people say has the power to affect me emotionally or spiritually or, or, or

00:38:10.880 whatever, because they're not real people that, you know, they don't show their real selves to the, to,

00:38:16.000 to the world. And I know this and I have insight. This is why they find me so dangerous because

00:38:20.480 when you do grow up with the aforesaid sinful urges, you learn quickly to sort of fracture

00:38:27.840 yourself, to present different versions of yourself to different people in order to get along, to get

00:38:32.880 by, to survive. You know, you grow up in a very religious environment and you have these urges,

00:38:37.200 you know, there's certain things you shouldn't say or do around certain people. And you, you,

00:38:42.240 your personality becomes like a, like a Nordic pantheon God who has different aspects, you know,

00:38:49.040 uh, who can be incarnated in different ways, has the same essence, but looks completely different

00:38:53.040 in different stories or whatever, you know, like Odin appears as whatever, you know, that you can't do

00:38:58.400 this over the dinner table at home, but you can do it in the CD club and, you know, in whatever.

00:39:05.200 I see them for what they are. I see these people for the frauds they are. And I see that they are not

00:39:12.080 showing the world who they really are. I know what these people are because I used to do it too.

00:39:17.440 Um, and that's why they don't frighten me because they're not real. They're not real. And that's why

00:39:23.920 they shouldn't frighten you. These people fulminating on Twitter, the Rick Wilsons of the world, you

00:39:29.120 know, the, the Republican strategist people, um, you know, the, the, the, anybody who works at the

00:39:33.760 Daily Wire pretty much, uh, you know, these people don't frighten me because they're not real.

00:39:39.120 One of the things you mentioned is that they do have power. Some of the most powerful people in

00:39:42.720 the world. Do you feel that with what you've done now, you've sort of found the pearl of great

00:39:48.560 price. Should they be able to strip almost everything from you, including perhaps even

00:39:52.880 your life? Would that change your opinion? Would that make you reconsider what you're doing?

00:39:56.400 No, of course not. They already have, they've taken everything. I used to earn millions of dollars a

00:40:01.920 year. Like, you know, now, now I'm renting a terrace house. Like they've already taken it all. I don't

00:40:08.360 care. And in fact, the, the less I have, I mean, I still have a lot. I'm still a lucky person. I'm still,

00:40:17.060 you know, whatever. I can still fit their apartments in my pool, you know, back home in London. But

00:40:21.240 you know, like what I'm, what I mean to say really is the less I have that I'm attached to,

00:40:27.940 the more powerful I feel because the less they have on me, you know, um, uh, and, and they've

00:40:34.120 already done all that. What, what's left? What are you going to do? Destroy my reputation? Done. Uh,

00:40:40.920 impoverish me? Done. Uh, de-platform me? Done. Uh, you know, like what else is there? They have no

00:40:47.540 power over me. And in many ways, as the most

00:40:51.240 sensitive and de-platform person in the world, I'm also the freest person in the world,

00:40:55.700 which comes with its own new set of peculiar responsibilities and challenges. But I can say

00:41:01.840 anything. I can say anything. And, and so great is the consensus to blacklist me and pretend that I

00:41:10.200 don't exist on the right and the left. I can do anything. They won't even report on it. You won't

00:41:16.180 see it anywhere. I could say anything. I could do anything. I could become the hateful

00:41:21.060 racist bigot that, that, that left has been calling me. They won't even report on it now 0.98

00:41:25.160 because saying my name, you see, these people are, this is how you know they're, how you know that

00:41:31.220 they're servants of darkness. They believe in spells. They believe in magic. Saying my name is

00:41:36.940 casting a spell that they don't want to cast, right? This is how they view the invocation of

00:41:42.260 certain people's, um, names as casting spells. They don't want to give me power by saying my name.

00:41:47.760 That's what cancel culture is. It's magic. It's, it's about banning certain spells. 0.98

00:41:53.780 That's what cancel culture is. Um, so great is the, this is like the ultimate, this is the, the,

00:42:01.440 the, the, the, the, the, the witch's council, you know, has a, has a charm on the world. If anybody

00:42:06.580 uses this spell, they're immediately notified and they all show up at the front door to kill the witch. 0.99

00:42:11.920 That's what I have on me, right? That's what there is attached to my name. Nobody will dare speak it. 0.96

00:42:18.780 And that's enormously powerful because it gives me breathing room to tell the truth,

00:42:24.420 to say, to say what I want to say. I don't have to watch my words. I can't get an agent and I never

00:42:30.300 will again. I can't get a PR company and I never will again. I can't get anything and I never will

00:42:36.020 again. So I don't have to worry about anything. I can just tell the truth. Yeah. And so I've spent

00:42:42.320 the last five years in, in sort of, you know, semi-enforced semi on purpose retirement, uh,

00:42:48.300 thinking about what my next chapter is going to be. And it is now emerging to me. It's now becoming

00:42:52.980 clear. And it's just now, just now, just as I'm finally, and it's no consequence and no accident.

00:43:00.000 I'm sure no coincidence is what I mean. No coincidence that just as things are becoming

00:43:05.400 clearer for me spiritually and personally, that things are becoming clearer for me professionally

00:43:09.920 too. And so this time out that I have spent, um, semi on purpose, semi-enforced has been exactly the

00:43:18.100 right thing to do because now I have my next chapter, which in many ways makes me more terrifying

00:43:26.180 and dangerous and powerful than ever before, because it strikes straight at the heart of the,

00:43:32.060 you know, global homo establishment, whatever. This is in a way much more threatening to them 1.00

00:43:40.560 than anything I've ever done before. Saying to them, I'm going to take your toys away. These

00:43:46.260 heterosexual liberal white women who are the root of all madness in America. They're the ones who 1.00

00:43:55.180 make gay pride a thing. They're the ones who make drag queen story hour a thing. These lonely housewives 1.00

00:43:59.820 who want a gay best friend. It's, it's, it's straight white liberal women who have ruined America. 1.00

00:44:05.820 And those are the people I'm going to take your toys away. I'm going to take your gay best friends 1.00

00:44:11.100 away. And that is so much worse than anything I've ever done to them before. Um, but that's, 1.00

00:44:18.720 what's coming and that's, what's happening. And I'm pushing it against an open door because

00:44:22.300 as maligned and as, um, as maligned and as ridiculed as reparative therapy is,

00:44:31.940 the demand for it has never been greater. And especially among young men, especially among

00:44:40.560 Gen Z, right. And I have a moral responsibility to be at the heart of it. So that's, that's, 0.82

00:44:45.360 that's the next five, 10 years of my life. That, that is awesome because now with it being illegal,

00:44:50.380 um, there's a new rebellion, uh, that can be had. Makes it, it only makes it more fun.

00:44:55.820 It does. It does. Milo Yiannopoulos, I'm very happy to say your name. Thank you for being with

00:45:01.040 us in this episode of the John Henry Weston show. Thank you. And God bless you. Thank you.

00:45:04.520 God bless you. And God bless all of you. And we'll see you next time.

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The John-Henry Westen Show - March 12, 2021

Milo： ‘Dear White Liberal Women, I’m Coming To Take Your Toys Away’

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