Abortion supporters and the leftist media are blowing a gasket over a new case that the Supreme Court has accepted about abortion in Mississippi. But why is the left going absolutely mad about this right now, talking like it s the end of the world? You re going to want to stay tuned for this episode of the John Henry Weston Show with our own Claire Kretia to talk about what s going on.
00:00:00.500Abortion supporters and the leftist media are blowing a gasket over a new case that the Supreme Court has accepted.
00:00:08.240It's about abortion in Mississippi, but why is the left going absolutely mad about this right now, talking like it's the end of the world?
00:00:17.360You're going to want to stay tuned for this episode of the John Henry Weston Show, where we have our own Claire Kretia in D.C. to talk about what is going on.
00:00:30.000And Claire Kretia, welcome to the program.
00:00:46.600Thanks, John Henry. Thanks for having me on your show.
00:00:48.860So tell us what's going on. I mean, we hear of Supreme Court's taking up abortion decisions very often.
00:00:55.560You know, this has been in and out for years now in the U.S.
00:00:57.640What's so special about this Mississippi case with the Supreme Court accepting it now?
00:01:03.380What sets this case apart from other cases over the past decade or so is that this case is actually about prohibiting, not just regulating abortion.
00:01:12.480So the cases that have been before the Supreme Court in the past, you know, five or 10 years have basically been about things like, should we make abortion facility hallways longer and wider so that a gurney can fit down them?
00:01:28.800Is it OK for the state to say that abortionists need to have admitting privileges at a local hospital?
00:01:34.860But this case is about an actual prohibition on abortion after 15 weeks of pregnancy.
00:01:43.220So Roe v. Wade, the Supreme Court decision that in 1973, along with its sister case, Doe v. Bolton, imposed abortion on demand across America.
00:01:52.860Roe v. Wade said that any pre-viability abortion, which at that time was around 28 weeks, is completely allowed.
00:02:03.000And after a baby is viable, after a baby can live outside the womb with medical attention, you can still have an abortion for the health of the mother.
00:02:10.980And of course, health is interpreted very broadly.
00:02:13.100So that can mean emotional health or financial health.
00:02:16.240But this case, if the Supreme – by taking this case, the Supreme Court has a chance to either modify, uphold, or completely strike down Roe v. Wade.
00:02:26.440And so if they – there are a number of different outcomes that could come from this.
00:02:30.860Obviously, the worst would just be if they uphold Roe and further sort of solidify this fake constitutional right to abortion.
00:02:36.760But they could also say that actually we know that an unborn child in the womb is a whole distinct living human being.
00:02:47.520We have way better technology than we did in 1973.
00:02:51.040These are human beings who, under the 14th Amendment, have the right to equal justice under the law and the right to due process.
00:03:00.880And they're being denied that when they're killed through abortion.
00:03:03.340This case really is just a direct challenge to Roe v. Wade.
00:03:07.500And instead of just sort of chipping away at the fake right to abortion, this case is actually challenging whether there even is a right to basically an abortion at any time during pregnancy.
00:03:48.680And throughout the country over the last couple of years, as Donald Trump has added new appointees to the Supreme Court bench, there have been more and more aggressive laws seeking to restrict the right to choose an abortion.
00:04:00.560And many of them have been challenged to the Supreme Court as a bid to overturn and completely dismantle Roe v. Wade.
00:04:07.280And this is one of those challenges, and it is the one that the court has decided to take up.
00:04:12.100So on the court's docket going into the next term will be this very fraught question of whether these continued protections for reproductive rights will be allowed to continue for women or whether they will be rolled back.
00:04:23.860Melissa, fair to say that this is considered a fact that the court is taking this up at all could be considered a boost, if you will, to opponents of abortion?
00:04:33.260I mean, this is exactly what the anti-choice movement has been seeking for the last few years.
00:04:39.100And again, much of this is because of the changed composition of the court.
00:04:43.720It's not just that Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, who was a stalwart supporter of reproductive rights, has been replaced by Amy Coney Barrett.
00:04:50.620But the fact that there have actually been three new clear people who are skeptical of abortion rights who have been added to the court, Brett Kavanaugh, Justice Neil Gorsuch, and now, of course, Amy Coney Barrett.
00:05:00.820So what did you think of that, Claire?
00:05:04.300Well, as you can see, John Henry, they are terrified.
00:05:08.780And if you just look at some of the statements coming out from pro-abortion groups, if you look at the clip that we just saw, the abortion lobby is really scared.
00:05:17.560And it's so interesting that this is happening right now because in so many ways, American culture has become even more degenerate than it has been in past years.
00:05:32.600But at the same time, we've been able to pass these amazing state pro-life laws like heartbeat bills or, in this case, the Mississippi 15-week abortion ban.
00:05:40.960And in spite of all the cultural decay, this case has made it up to the Supreme Court.
00:05:45.660And so, I mean, if Roe is overturned or in any way significantly gutted, the left will riot in the streets.
00:05:55.960Interestingly, NARAL, in their statement about the Supreme Court taking this case, claimed that trans and non-binary people would be impacted the most of all by this, which I'm not quite sure how that works.
00:06:08.160But it just shows that the abortion movement is desperate to grasp onto other cultural issues because they know that abortion is a losing issue for them and that they're on their last legs.
00:06:33.400That the court completely upholds the 15-week Mississippi abortion ban and says it's completely right for the state to be able to have this 15-week abortion ban.
00:06:44.500And the court says no law allowing the killing of an unborn human being is ever constitutional or acceptable in our society.
00:06:55.860And all laws allowing abortion are unconstitutional regardless of whether that – whether it's abortion on a 6-week-old baby or a 12-week-old or 15-week or 20-week, whatever.
00:07:08.720And then – and say, you know, Roe is completely wrongly decided, Mississippi is in fact allowed to ban abortions at 15 weeks, and actually any states that have really radical abortion laws, those laws are unconstitutional because they deny unborn children equal protection and due process under the law, which they're entitled to by the 14th Amendment because they're American citizens or human beings.
00:10:11.660And of course, when the oral arguments are heard, which I don't think a date has been set yet, whenever those oral arguments are heard, they will be very closely analyzed, you know, not only by LifeSite, but also by all court observers.
00:10:24.140Because this is such an important case and such a controversial hot-button issue, if you will.
00:10:28.740Another scenario, which is perhaps more likely, is still a good-ish scenario, that would be the court says, the court upholds Mississippi's 15-week abortion ban and says states can enact abortion bans before so-called viability.
00:10:49.920And so we're going to allow this Mississippi law to be upheld and to stay as the law, and states may enact abortion prohibitions, not just restrictions, not just, you know, you have to have a 48-hour waiting period, but actual prohibitions.
00:11:07.020You cannot kill a baby after this time.
00:11:08.660Likely in this scenario, they would still sort of uphold this very general right to abortion in the Constitution, but still, but that right would be much more limited than it is now.
00:11:21.260And then a worst-case scenario would simply be that they say this law is unconstitutional, and that would, you know, set the pro-life movement back, surely, because it would allow abortion on demand to essentially continue in the U.S.
00:11:38.740And it's important that the court is, a lot of times when the court takes these cases, they can actually decide that they're only going to hear one really technical aspect of the law, and that's not really what's happening here.
00:11:51.240So they have, they will have to rule, is this 15-week ban allowed to remain in place in Mississippi?
00:11:59.140I think, though, one of the most important takeaways, particularly for us, for our readership, is it's time to brush up on your pro-life apologetics, because this is finally going to enter the mainstream discussion in a big way.
00:12:15.320We're going to be pushing that at LifeSite, but it's going to be pushed through the mainstream media, so we really need to be on top of our arguments in favor of life.
00:12:23.720And we also, John Henry, need to not be timid, and we need to go on the offense, okay?
00:12:29.980We need to start talking about how we want to ban all abortions.
00:12:33.260I support any limits on abortion, okay?
00:12:40.260But this is an opportunity for the court to actually fundamentally change the landscape of abortion in America and say that there are going to be severe limits and severe prohibitions on it.
00:12:52.900So I don't think we need to be focusing our talking points only on late-term abortion.
00:12:57.120This isn't really about late-term abortion.
00:13:00.540That's, you know, beginning of second-trimester abortions.
00:13:03.940And there's nothing wrong with saying we want to end all abortions, because every single abortion, no matter how young the child is, ends the life of a whole distinct living human being with its own unique DNA, his own fingerprints.
00:13:18.080And this is a point that I think we really need to hammer home.
00:13:30.380Well, an abortion, unfortunately, in addition to hurting the mother, an abortion kills a whole distinct living human being.
00:13:37.340Yeah, I think that's a really important point, Claire, because I think there is a difficulty with this particular piece of legislation, because it's not what it should be.
00:13:49.900I think for real pro-life activists, the easiest argument to make, the only one that makes any real sense, is a baby is a baby is a baby.
00:13:57.200From conception to natural death, we have to protect people, and therefore, this arguing for a 15-week ban makes much less sense.
00:14:07.240In fact, it somehow goes against the grain, at least for pro-lifers.
00:14:10.620It's probably an easier argument to make, for sure, for the general public.
00:14:14.660But nonetheless, I love what you said about being totally free to argue the full enchilada, to argue what only makes sense, the protection of life from conception.
00:14:24.420Our messaging around this can be a little bit jumbled because of this very issue.
00:14:31.140The 15-week ban was enough to challenge Roe, right?
00:14:35.380Because Roe says that you cannot limit abortions pre-viability.
00:14:41.760And so at least we got a ban that was based on a time limit in pregnancy that was before so-called viability.
00:14:54.420But I think here the role of the pro-life movement will be to, as you said, give our best arguments to this, using the fact that this is going to be in the media now for about a year, over a year, and use that at every opportunity to defend life.
00:15:15.500And it's also a challenge, a challenge for those who are pro-life, to bone up on their arguments, to be ready to defend the truth on life with all of their, you know, with all of their neighbors.
00:15:28.760And not to be afraid, to really embrace this opportunity.
00:15:32.220We need to be able to talk about the hard issues, too.
00:15:34.760You know, talk about abortion and cases of rape and these terrible tragedies, but that these tragedies are not fixed by abortion.
00:16:14.260I want to just plug one resource for those hard questions, because that always comes up, the very first question always, when you're talking about abortion and trying to defend life.
00:16:36.740And she is a beautiful lawyer for and a defender of the right to life for the unborn, and particularly those children conceived in those very difficult circumstances.
00:16:53.300And we have a lot of information about this, too, on our resource tab, Life Facts.
00:16:59.860So you can go to that and see all the facts about abortion, how an abortion is done, what it does to the baby's body, and learn more about apologetics there, too.
00:17:10.040And, of course, John Henry, as you know, we're reporting every day on some of the work that other pro-life organizations do, you know, different apologetics groups.
00:17:17.600So there's so much on LifeSite that our readers can use to educate themselves.
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