Mother Miriam Special ｜ Taking Perpetual Vows With Bishop Joseph Strickland
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In this episode, Fr. Fr. James Martin talks about his life in the Archdiocese of St. Paul and St. Mary of the Immaculate Conception in St. Louis, Missouri, and what it means to be a Catholic in the midst of a crisis.
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If I find a good bishop, I'd cross the ocean for him.
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A fearless good bishop, who is teaching good faith, wants to deliver to the saints,
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It is, it is. How far? Tell us when it ends as being yours.
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I have to walk it. They had a survey company come out and put the pink ribbons in the stakes,
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And the thing is, they have a couple of hundred acres of land, the owners.
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And they've already, we're, if this van is the acreage, we're right in the middle of it.
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And they're partitioning anywhere from 15 acres to 92, partitioning it all off.
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And so, I told them when they're ready, let me know, because I'll announce it.
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And we could have a whole Catholic Benedictine community.
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Hopefully a quarter of Benedictine priests across from you, so they can come over and celebrate.
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Wouldn't that be wonderful? That'd be absolutely wonderful.
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One of the things that I wanted to talk to you about.
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So, we've learned that approximately 400 families have moved here because of Bishop Strickland.
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And the news that something may happen to him, that he might be cancelled, as it were, or sent somewhere else, or whatever, is, first of all, it's stunning.
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The people would be devastated because they came here because of him.
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And when Bishop invited us here, he said, Mother, the only thing I can promise you is that I'll be here forever, because he already knew they weren't pleased with him.
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It would depend upon, if the Vatican puts him out, it would depend upon who they put in.
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What he's been doing, the bishops that have been replacing bishops, hasn't been a good situation.
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And the people will be just keeping their fingers crossed that a good bishop comes.
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And so, I think I mentioned to you that one of the reasons we moved our vows up was to make sure we could be here.
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But what Bishop Strickland is doing is doubling his efforts to be who he's called to be as a bishop.
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He is spending every second at every parish, the entire diocese taking care of the sheep.
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He's going all over the place to make sure the sheep are good
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And he says, you know, who would ever think of me?
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A kid from Texas, that's what he calls himself.
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You know, they came to silence him, those two bishops, and he, you can't silence him.
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I'm called to preach the gospel. You don't want the gospel preached. He's not radical. He's not
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radical. He's just preaching salvation. Hey, my friends, now is the time to stand up and fight.
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We are just about to have the Synod on Synodality, and everything that you've seen indicates that
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it's going to be an absolute disaster. We have Fr. James Martin as a personal appointee of the Pope
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speaking at it. We've got Cardinal Cupich, Cardinal Tobin. These picks of the Pope to engage in this
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Synod are indicative of where we're going. We're going into heresy, and at these times of great
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crisis, the church, especially those called in the laity to work for the glory of Christ and his
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church, are called to gather and strategize. Back in 2014, LifeSite launched something called
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Rome Life Forum. It was a gathering at that point of some 75 life and family leaders from all around
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the world to strategize as to what we could do. And when we gathered, the majority of people were
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most concerned about what? About Pope Francis, about what was going on in Rome. But this was 2014,
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but the life and family leaders saw it first. Now, a decade on, we are confronted with some of the
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most severe challenges the church has ever faced. And so, our tradition at LifeSite is to continue
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with Rome Life Forum, which has continued every year until we had to take a break over COVID because
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we weren't permitted. But we're starting it up again. Please come, if you feel so called, to Rome,
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October 31st and November 1st, the very end of the Synod on Synodality. And we'll be there to
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strategize with his eminence, with his excellency, and with many life and family leaders from around
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the world. For LifeSite News, this is John Henry Weston. And may God bless you.
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So, one of the things that we learned that was really beautiful about Bishop Strickland was
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we talked with a friend who knows him well, and he told us of his routine of two hours of adoration
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confession before the Mass in the morning. That's right. So, we thought, whoa.
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On his knees before the place of sacrifice. I know, for an hour and a half, and then just stunning.
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So, because it is funny, you think of all the bishops in the United States, and they do have
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a couple of handfuls of very faithful bishops, but none like him. He's unique in that he stands out
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for speaking out. He speaks out. He's not silent. That's where he differs from basically everyone.
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There's one notable exception in Bishop Schneider. I mean, there are the two bishops on the planet
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that are speaking out on a scale like that, I guess you could say. I'm sure the African bishops are too,
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but we don't hear them too much over here. But they, the two of them, have been gifted like just
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about no one else on the planet. But when I heard of the adoration, everything made sense again. It
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was like, oh, that's how I get, it was funny because I was told it and I, the person I was
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talking to, he laughed because I reacted with it in such a big way because it's like, oh, of course,
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that's why. Because if you absorb, and I don't mean to belittle, but then any kid from Kansas or
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from Texas can be that fisherman. And it's, it's just, it's beautiful. He's had to do a lot of hard
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things. And he's been, no, no. And please God, he can be, it really is now, these waters are perilous,
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so navigating them is, is a, is a challenge. And he's got, you know, the ear to the Holy
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Spirit, quite literally, so. His flock love him. And they've just, you may know it, they put together
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Defending Our Faith Conference, you know that, August 31st, September 1st, with him speaking and
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a couple of others, just to support him. Yeah. Just to support him. And they wrote, Bishop Snyder
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called to support him. Bishop Snyder wrote a letter of support. They just want to support him.
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Why should people come, even from out of state, for September 1st, 2nd, the conference?
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Why should they come? I tell you what, if I find a good bishop, I'd cross the ocean for him.
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A fearless, good bishop, who is teaching the faith, wants to deliver to the saints, I'd go
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anywhere to support him, and to be with him, and to be encouraged by him. So in my mind, I wish
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the world would show up. The whole world. I think what they've rented, the place they've
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rented, holds about 1,000 people. I'd like to see 10,000 people flood that place, and show
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the Vatican how hungry the sheep are for truth, and for a true shepherd. That's what I would love.
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I'm going to ask him today, if he's open to coming. So we're running World Life Forum,
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October 31st, November 1st, and Bishop Snyder is speaking, and Cardinal Muller is speaking
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at it. But I was going to ask him if he'll come as well, as I've asked you. And if he's
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able to, that would be wonderful. But it's a challenge, because we're going to see, I
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think, at least from what it looks like, we're going to see a more clear agenda, if you will,
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out of this synod, even first chapter of it. We'll see what it brings.
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One of the things I meant to ask you as well, I don't know if you saw it, but I did an interview
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He's, I don't know that, I don't think I saw it.
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So he spoke of, because it was right when the rumor came out that Bishop Strickland could
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Oh, I did see it, because he said, you resist, because there's no grounds for it. I did see
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Yeah, it's a very controversial thing to say, I guess, but it makes total sense. In the,
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in the church, in olden days, if you will, before Vatican II, the bishop was wedded to the
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diocese. It was like the husband of the diocese. And that, Peter was explaining, makes a lot
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of sense, you know, and so we, we experience this all the time nowadays, that your bishop
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has moved to become Archbishop of this or that, or something else. Yeah, do you, how do you
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feel about the situation with regard to bishops and dioceses and moving and all of that?
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I think if he's a good bishop, nobody wants him to move. Nobody wants him to be replaced.
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And it, it has the sense of being the job, because sheep know the shepherd's voice, and he wouldn't
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leave them. So I, I think for bishops to move around like that is, it doesn't feel Catholic,
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it feels Protestant also, moving all over the place. And people, um, choosing their churches
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and all that. I, I wish it wouldn't happen. But of course, if it's a bad bishop, you want
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him to be moved. But I, I would say that no, if he's, we would love to see a bishop stay
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forever and position not make that issue or difference. You know, um, uh, I don't know
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where this whole, is clericalism, the right word, seeing, uh, the priesthood as a queer,
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moving up, getting promoted, getting more, it makes me ill. It makes me ill. Uh, because
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you say they've lost, I say either they lost their faith or they never had it. I have no idea
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how so many bishops can fall as they have. Shocking. I'm not shocked. I'm a New Yorker.
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Nothing shocks me. But the way the bishops, the scriptures, oh, how the mighty have fallen.
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The way the bishops have fallen is, it's shocking to me. How could they have had genuine faith
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faith and had position and power and falsehood and everything else take over, let alone immorality.
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It's, it's, it's just awful. And for me, John Henry, I just, I live 24-7 for souls to be saved.
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I don't want anything else. Um, I'm embarrassed before the world for the dirty laundry of the
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Catholic Church being exposed. I'm embarrassed of what's happening and being reported all
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over the news. It's just so horrible. It's so horrible. I think it was Cardinal Buehler who
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said, uh, to Raymond Arroyo, we need to start this over again with 12.
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12 that will give their whole lives. It's so, so awful. And you want to tell everybody the
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Catholic Church is the fullness of faith. The faith. But it was the same when I came in.
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The hardest thing of becoming Catholic is Catholics. It's a shame. But today it's so, so awful.
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LGBT, I'm not saying anything new. This is old news now. But bishops, everyone's welcome.
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LGBTQ, welcome them to teach them the faith, not to. It's a transgenderism. Bishops getting into,
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getting into that, fighting for it. It's just so, it's horrible.
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The only holdout, it seems, is Africa. And the bishops there have maintained a strength that I was
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stunned by because when we were there, the bishops, as you know, Pope Francis on August
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the 25th last year said that the bishops of Africa need a conversion on the issue of these
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anti-sodomy laws. And we went to Africa, and I was actually worried, maybe the bishops are
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going to obey or follow the advice of Pope Francis. And it was, no way. In fact, when he came,
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he came in September, when we were still there, he had sort of this, he didn't mention it while
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he was there, but he was leaving at that press conference with Justin Welby and Ian Greenshields,
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the leader of the Church of Scotland and the Church of England. And they had this talk again
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about the need to be open and welcoming on the LGBT issues. And again, the need for the
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bishops of Africa to convert on the issue. And you know what? Right after that, for Lent,
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the bishops of Africa started a campaign to oppose the LGBT agenda. They went in the opposite
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So, Mother, it was a very providential day to come on a day when two of your sisters were clothed
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with the habit. That's just beautiful. And what does the ceremony that you're going to undergo
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tomorrow mean? What is that final vows? What is that? And what does that mean for your sisters,
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It's an eight-year process, actually. You come in, you're aspiring for a month. You're
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postulating for six months to a year. You're not religious yet. You're postulating.
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Observing, experiencing the charism, the work, the apostolate, the prayer life, the character
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of the community, to help discern if you are called to religious life, and to that community.
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Because someone could come and say, no, it's too active for me. I want totally...
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No, for the month of Byron Sea, but then they have a postulant outfit, which they got out
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of this morning. But it's one black skirt, scapular, half, and a white blouse, and a black scarf
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on their head. Which makes them look more like sisters than sisters today in the world.
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That's true. And then after six months to a year, if they want to enter the novitiate,
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as they did this morning, the novitiate is the actual entrance into religious life.
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Even if you've been with the community in a year, and you become a sister for the first
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time. And you receive the habit and your religious name. And some communities let the sisters pick
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their religious name or choose from a few. I give them their name.
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I give them. It really helps them. I could become a wreck in case, you know, I give them a name
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and they're going to live with it the rest of their life. But I study them.
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Tell us about that. You study them. What do you mean?
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Well, I want them, I want them to have names of saints that they want to live up to,
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who gave their lives, and who they want to emulate so they could be their saint through life.
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And so I look at their hearts, their love. One gal this morning, Sister Joan Marie, Joan of Arc,
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she is the most timid person. Gentle. You can hear her when she talks. You have to say sometimes, speak up.
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She's shy. She's not aggressive. Sister, why are you standing there? Well, I wasn't sure if I should do this.
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Just do it. Don't worry. Use your judgment. Everything. But every time I have spoken about in the community,
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things have happened about rescuing children or rescuing families or rescuing a wife that's being abused or finding shelter for someone or doing this.
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She, more than anyone in the community, is with me. She lights up. She lights up. She's happy. She's the first one to say yes. She doesn't hesitate. She'll do anything to rescue anyone.
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But she's an LVN, almost a nurse. And she's heroic. You know, I'll be reading about the saints or martyrs and all, and she loves it.
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So, I found out Joan of Arc was her greatest saint. And so, I don't think she was so surprised that I named her Sister Joan Marie.
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But she was ecstatic that her title is of the Holy Cross. That's amazing. So, for me, when I first started this, I thought, I'm going to be a wreck.
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How do I give somebody a name? They're going to use the rest of their life. But it's turned out. It's turned out. Thanks be to God. It's wonderful.
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So, observe their character, what encourages them. Not what I think they need, but people that really inspire them to be who they are.
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That St. Francis de Sales, one of his favorite quotes, be who you are and be that well. That's what I want for the sisters.
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And were you able to do that with Sister Gertrude as well?
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Oh, my goodness. We were in, we were somewhere. It could have been, I don't think it was in Rome with you, but we were somewhere, and she was a postulant.
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And she found St. Gertrude the Great on her bookshelves. And she said, you know, Mother, I've never known who St. Gertrude was.
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And she couldn't put the book down. She read it over and over again, adopted her way of prayer, everything.
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And St. Gertrude, of course, was a Benedictine, St. Gertrude the Great. And you know how they say, the saints choose you, you don't choose them.
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And that became her love. That was the easiest thing in the world for me, St. Gertrude, because every one of the sisters is going to have a form of Mary.
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Mary, Marie, Maria, Miriam, every one of the form of Mary, because we're her daughters.
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So, so Gertrude, Marie, then I said for four weeks, Marie Gertrude, Mary Gertrude, Gertrude, how do I do that?
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So, come to that. And then, and then for everyone that has a child. And so, St. Gertrude, which many people don't know,
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we know that our Lord appeared to St. Margaret Mary to show her his sacred heart.
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But 700 years before that, he appeared to St. Gertrude first to spread that devotion.
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And very few people know that, but he did. He came to her to spread the devotion that she's Benedictine and Margaret Mary is visitation, St. Francis de Sales,
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and both of them are our patrons. And he came to both of them on the Feast of St. John the Evangelist, both of them, the Beloved,
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and St. Gertrude said, Lord, why did you wait so long to give us this devotion? It's not in Scripture, except it was
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John who leaned on his breast, St. John the Evangelist. And he said, because there would be a time the world would need him more.
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And then he appeared, I think about 700 years later, to St. Margaret Mary and told her to spread that devotion.
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So, Sister Gertrude, both of them, so she is Gertrude Maria of the Sacred Heart.
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It takes me time to put all that together, but I start praying from the day that they come on a retreat.
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And the young lady who's here as well, Eileen is her name?
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So, is she, or she's just visiting for now, and she doesn't know if she's gonna...
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She's discerning, however, she came with us for a retreat, a discernment retreat, when we were in Kansas.
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And she loved us. She walked around bare feet. She's a little country girl.
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So, we would say to her a certain time, you can't be bare feet. You'd be right in the house, in the field, but church, but shoes.
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So, she put socks on. So, we named her little socks.
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So, she kept in touch with us, and Christmas cards, and other things.
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And then she wrote me a couple months ago, can I visit you again?
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So, she's here again. She absolutely loves us, and we love her. She's a sweetheart.
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But, we had a big conversation two days ago, she and I, and she said,
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I love you all. I just love it, but I think I want children.
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And I said, this is fabulous. Don't worry about that. This is great.
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And it'll be good that you checked out Religious Life.
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Someone who wants children should check out. Someone who wants Religious Life should date. I said, fine.
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So, she's 24, and she just doesn't know that she doesn't want to be married.
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She's not sure. I said, have you dated? She said, well.
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So, we had one gal leave us, came in her 20s, and she now has a baby and married.
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It's a wonderful thing. We've become part of their family. It's good.
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So, she really loves us, and we love her. She's a delight. But, she'll probably, she's...
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So, it's funny then, because you then sort of have a relationship with these women who are then married,
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but they discern with you a little bit, and you still feel tied to them.
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Oh, and they to us. And we have Oblates. So, we have Benedictine Oblates, Oblates in the world, who follow the rule of Saint Benedict.
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And the particular charism, so to speak, of the particular Saint Benedictine community they want to be a part of.
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So, if we don't live the rule, and pray and all that, once we have vows, it's a matter of sin.
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There's always reasons, if there's reasons. But, in the world, there's no sin.
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You're supposed to pray five times a day, and you don't pray 15 minutes one day, because your family will always come first, not a matter.
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But, it gives them a rule of life, and it's very helpful.
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You know that here on LifeSite, we love to tell amazing stories.
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There are a few so heroic and amazing as the story we're about to tell you that's coming soon.
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When I was in seminary, I was reading a book by Henry Nouwen.
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He talked about a nuclear man, you know, and people who grew up in the 1980s were kind of formed by that immediate and constant threat of nuclear annihilation.
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My generation has grown up, you know, under the specter of priestly sexual abuse.
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What say you, Mr. Foreperson, is the defendant guilty or not guilty?
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I think that, for many of us, that has also been all-encompassing.
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You know, I mean, I entered the seminary in January of 2004, and it's basically been there for me from the beginning.
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For the layman, what is the rule of St. Benedict? What does that mean?
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And my heart for families is that they would pray.
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So, we would go into families, before they were with me, I was in Oklahoma, once a month, and we'd help them set up a prayer table.
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And we would bring a little triptych of Our Lady.
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Our Lady by the Lupe is the Lady of Our Order, but it could be the Holy Family.
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And we'd go into their house and figure out a prayer table.
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And they'd say, oh, we don't have, we don't, do you have any tablecloth?
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Put our little triptych or image, we'll bring them.
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And bring them two candles in a little glass, not too big, because of the children, they can't knock them over.
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So, they go pick flowers, put it on the little altar.
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I don't know if they ever told you this, but it's, we get beads.
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And they all look the same, totally clear or a million colors.
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And I put the bowl on the table before a lady and give them 50 marbles in a bag they put behind the image.
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Every time the children did something good for someone, they couldn't tell anybody how to be between them and God.
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They helped their mother do the dishes the first time she asked or without asking.
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Between them and God, they could take a bead out of the bag and put it in the bowl and give it to Our Lady to give to Jesus.
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And this one little home, the oldest was 12, seven children.
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And the parents would say to me, could we do this too?
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And one home, they had one daughter who they adopted.
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So her older brother is her father and she doesn't know her.
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And we had a little booklet with prayers and teaching at the time.
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And I said, the father would say, oh no, give it to my wife.
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I don't know what God had in mind, but it's your job.
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And this one little girl was eight, ADD, failing in everything.
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The first month, I went back there a month later to see how they were doing.
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So the husband picked me up and the wife drove me home.
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You will not believe what's happened at our house in one month.
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We've experienced God's grace like we've never known.
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Don't let your children leave in the morning without blessing them.
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Don't let them go to bed at night without blessing them.
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And this little girl, they write me to this day.
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In a month, not only was she no longer failing, she had a C-plus.
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One month, they couldn't believe what happened to her.
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Getting together and praying and talking about the faith every night.
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Another family went in, had four girls, babies, all of them.
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And as he started laughing, as he started praying,
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And I said, now, don't let your wife gather the family for the rosary.
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One of my dreams, when I was at Catholic Answers,
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I've always felt that God gave me a shepherd's heart.
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And I did a 54-day novena one day in my home before the crucifix.
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Going to conferences, giving talks, coming home.
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And going into homes and helping families, they get nervous because they don't know the faith.
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if they're going to have to send their children.
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