The John-Henry Westen Show - Muslim Woman's Shocking Visions of Jesus & Mary

00:00:00.000 I heard God's audible voice and he said to me, who are you to tell me who I can be and cannot be?

00:00:06.940 If you really want the truth, come back like a child and I will tell you the truth.

00:00:12.040 There was no question. I had heard God's audible voice in that Catholic church.

00:00:19.140 Can you imagine our Lord appearing to you?

00:00:23.600 Imagine our lady appearing to you.

00:00:26.300 Now imagine that happens, but you're not even a Catholic. 0.56

00:00:31.400 You are a Muslim, and this happens to you. 1.00

00:00:35.920 Then what do you do?

00:00:37.540 Well, we're going to find out what one lady did when that exact thing happened to her. 1.00

00:00:43.500 You're going to want to stay tuned to this episode.

00:00:45.260 Nikki Kingsley, thank you so much for joining us.

00:00:47.320 It's a pleasure to be here with you, John Henry.

00:00:50.000 I've been following you for a while, have said great respect for your work.

00:00:53.900 So I'm honored to be here with you.

00:00:56.300 Praise God. Let's begin as we always do with the sign of the cross.

00:00:59.580 In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen.

00:01:04.460 You have got your book, and it is called Thirst for Truth, From Muhammad to Jesus.

00:01:12.440 Maybe you can start with giving us your story in a nutshell.

00:01:16.080 Well, I come from a Muslim background and born Muslim in a liberal family

00:01:21.940 and ended up having an arranged marriage in a Sunni family.

00:01:28.380 And that is when I really came to know Islam because growing up,

00:01:33.200 we didn't really practice praying five times a day or reading the Quran.

00:01:37.720 But once I was married at the age of 18 and ended up in Pakistan because I grew up in Africa.

00:01:45.540 So to back up, I'm from Pakistan, grew up in Africa.

00:01:49.520 and then when I had the arranged marriage, I ended up back in Pakistan at the age of 18

00:01:56.040 and it was a rude awakening. It was not the Islam I had grown up with because my family was very 0.92

00:02:03.840 open-minded. My parents had a beautiful marriage. I saw a lot of love and joy and then I end up in

00:02:10.880 Pakistan and it is an Islamic republic and my in-laws were very devout Muslim, Sunni Muslim,

00:02:19.520 And the marriage was not what I had been dreaming about as a young girl, very romantic at heart.

00:02:26.200 And that is when I really turned to Allah and started to go into Islam and started praying five times a day and doing all that.

00:02:38.220 At what point does this happen to you about any kind of hint of a different religion?

00:02:46.420 It's so fascinating because one of the things you're most known for is this visions of our Lord and our Lady.

00:02:53.420 But even at the time, you don't know who they are.

00:02:55.460 Tell us about that.

00:02:56.160 I had become a very devout Muslim.

00:02:58.340 I was not interested or believed that there was any other religion that could be true. 0.99

00:03:04.040 I believed Islam was the way and there was no other way. 1.00

00:03:07.380 The first crack now looking back, I would say, was when I came across the chapter Sura Mariam in the Quran.

00:03:14.700 And I got introduced to Mariam, who is Mary, the mother of the prophet Esau, Jesus in Islam.

00:03:24.200 And I just fell in love with this woman.

00:03:27.100 She is known to be the most devout woman, the chosen woman above all the women in Islam.

00:03:35.420 The Quran says that.

00:03:37.080 And I fell in love with her, with her holiness and gentleness.

00:03:41.200 And that just kind of touched my heart.

00:03:44.520 But again, within the box of Islam, never, ever outside. 0.94

00:03:49.940 And I continue to be devoted, praying, fasting, doing everything I could.

00:03:56.560 The thing with Islam is it's all about you do what you are supposed to do, and then you hope that Allah notices you and he doesn't punish you. 1.00

00:04:06.100 And as a woman, you rank pretty low because in the Paran, you know, a woman's word has really no value until you have witnesses and the woman needs more witnesses than a man does.

00:04:20.120 And so subconsciously, you're always feeling very low in the sequence of things.

00:04:26.180 And so when I would pray, I would just beg Allah to notice me living in a very unhappy marriage and that lasted 15 years.

00:04:34.900 But it was never, I never, ever, ever, if my wildest dream, ever thought I would leave Islam.

00:04:44.280 I'm as shocked as I could ever be that I'm sitting here talking to you.

00:04:50.760 It's an incredible thing.

00:04:52.980 My wife was a convert as well, not from Islam, but from evangelical Protestantism.

00:04:58.640 And what you just said reminds me of one of her lines.

00:05:01.820 uh, she always used to say, you know, she believed I would convert, um, as sure as she was about 0.89

00:05:09.280 anything. Uh, there was no way that the Catholic church would be right. But anyway, just as you 1.00

00:05:15.040 said that, yeah, exactly. Your journey saw you move, uh, to the United States. Um, tell us about

00:05:23.800 that, um, how, how that happened and how you were led to do that. Cause you didn't do this of your

00:05:29.200 own accord? I was in this arranged marriage. The marriage was not all my, I was a real romantic

00:05:35.340 growing up, you know, mills and boons, harlequin romances. I believed in my knight in shining

00:05:40.800 armor. And unfortunately that did not come true. So at 15 years of marriage, I had two children

00:05:47.960 and I was trying very hard to make it work, but it wasn't. I was very unhappy. And at this point

00:05:55.260 I was living in the United Arab Emirates. I was in Dubai. And I would tell my parents every year

00:06:01.720 when I would see them that I did not want to stay in this marriage. And I was told I was too young.

00:06:08.740 My husband was 10 years older than me. And it was always, oh, you're too young. You need to grow up.

00:06:14.000 But I was going into a depression. I was suicidal. And I was physically breaking down. I was close

00:06:21.780 to a nervous breakdown. I had a son and a daughter, and I would think about what would

00:06:26.820 happen to my children if I died. And my husband would always say, you know, oh, the kids will

00:06:32.880 just, you know, I'll leave them with my parents in Pakistan. And the thought that my daughter would 1.00

00:06:37.760 not even have an opportunity, I at least had a great childhood. She would get nothing. She'd

00:06:44.180 be shipped back to Pakistan. And I think that's really what kept me alive. And finally, my father

00:06:50.620 took notice, and he said, well, what do you want to do? And I said, I want to go to America.

00:06:57.020 And that was, I just knew in my heart, if I would come to America, I would be saved. And I didn't

00:07:03.760 know what, I just thought freedom. And I used, and I've been to America many times growing up,

00:07:09.820 and I have family here. But it was interesting, because my sisters at this point were living in

00:07:15.280 Canada. And you would think that the logical thing would be, okay, I'll go to Canada and be there.

00:07:22.160 Something in my heart said, not Canada, go to America. And so my aunt and uncle, God bless them,

00:07:29.440 were like, yeah, you can come over. And my parents thought I just wanted a vacation. And I knew if I

00:07:36.060 ever got out, I was never coming back. And so I was able to get out of the UAE. Now, in the Middle 0.97

00:07:46.120 East, your husband basically owns you. He had my passport. And it was also, he had the visa to work

00:07:56.540 there. So he then was responsible for me. So basically, he could stop me, I couldn't get out

00:08:02.900 And leaving with the Islamic law, if the husband calls, says she's running away with my kids, they would stop me at the airport.

00:08:11.540 And it was a very stressful time, the way I made it to the airport with my kids.

00:08:19.100 And when the plane took off, I just sat there clutching my kids.

00:08:24.040 I was scared that if anybody got, they could get on the plane and pull me off the plane or take my kids.

00:08:30.840 and if they took my kids, there's no way I would leave. And so by the grace of God, I did get out

00:08:37.980 and I arrived in New York in 1999 with my two kids. And my son was six. My daughter was 11.

00:08:45.680 I had no work experience. I had a couple hundred dollars. I couldn't drive. I had never lived

00:08:53.500 alone. I didn't. I came to this big country with no idea what I was going to do. But I knew when

00:08:59.920 I got off that plane that I was never leaving and I was going to do whatever it took to make

00:09:07.260 sure that my kids had a better life and they would get a college education. They wouldn't end up the

00:09:13.420 way I did. And by the grace of God, you know, my uncle helped me and I ended up getting a job,

00:09:20.820 got my visa situation figured out. Kids started school and everything kind of settled. And

00:09:27.740 throughout. I was devoted to Allah. I prayed five times a day. I loved God. My parents were really,

00:09:37.360 when I look back, I feel that I learned the gospel without knowing it was the gospel because of the

00:09:44.280 way my parents were. My parents were the kindest, most charitable, loving people you would ever meet.

00:09:53.060 And if I, if you ever criticize anybody, my mother would get so upset and she'd say, you can never criticize anyone. You don't know their story. You never, it was always the goodness that was instilled. And when I read the Bible, it's like, I learned all this. It's just Jesus's name wasn't there.

00:10:10.660 So I was devoted. At this point, I thought my parents weren't good enough Muslims because I was praying five times a day, and I would tell them they're not practicing it right, and they need to do this. 1.00

00:10:22.980 I had become a Sunni Muslim. My parents are Shia. I had become a Sunni. I was practicing all that.

00:10:29.160 But the driving force was not anything other than I loved God. I wanted to please Him, and I wanted Him to take care of me and my children.

00:10:39.080 Very long story, John Henry. We could go on for hours. I'm going to cut out a lot of things. But I started a new life and I got a job. I was working. I'm practicing. And what happened was my prayers started to change. I was not in a free country. I didn't have to beg Allah to save me. I was free. And I started to pray and ask Allah, who are you?

00:11:06.920 And this became this burning fire in my heart.

00:11:11.500 I wanted to know him.

00:11:13.520 I was not satisfied with praying and reading the Quran and fasting and doing all the things

00:11:19.620 that a good Muslim does.

00:11:21.440 I wanted to know him.

00:11:24.300 And all my friends at this point were Muslim.

00:11:27.420 My children had a Quran teacher because, of course, I wanted them to be good Muslim.

00:11:32.300 So I got a Quran teacher for them.

00:11:33.980 And I was trying to do everything I could that would count, you know, count as me being a good, faithful Muslim.

00:11:44.860 But my prayer was, who are you?

00:11:47.040 And my friends would tell me when I would discuss this in gatherings, I would say, you know, I want to know him and I just want more.

00:11:54.180 And they would look at me and say, what more could you want?

00:11:57.560 You're doing all the things.

00:11:59.260 Because in Islam, really, it's a checklist. 1.00

00:12:01.820 You do, you do, you do.

00:12:03.980 And then you hope that at the end, you end up in heaven, and heaven is the fulfillment of all your worldly desires. So you get everything. You don't have to work, you don't have to do, and you can just rest. You're there, you know, the rivers of milk and honey and all those things.

00:12:24.080 and but I wasn't satisfied with it I knew in my heart somehow I just knew there was more

00:12:31.000 and I didn't have it and so I would pray and when I prayed I would just see a wall in front of me

00:12:37.420 and I would get silence I would hear nothing I would pray and pray I would be on my prayer mat

00:12:44.760 every day at night prostrate head on the floor saying Allah who are you I want to know you

00:12:52.040 and I would get nothing and I was so frustrated so I started looking for books I thought okay

00:12:58.260 I'll find a book you know that would lead me to grow in this faith and I couldn't find anything

00:13:06.380 what I found was the life of Muhammad I found the terrors of the grave I found punishments 1.00

00:13:15.760 in hell. But I didn't find anything that would help me grow in my relationship. And I found

00:13:23.140 poetry. But that was it. And that didn't help me in any way. So I was really frustrated.

00:13:30.320 And finally, I happened to go to New York with my kids. And one of the places on TripAdvisor

00:13:39.100 was St. Patrick's Cathedral. And the only reason, the only reason I walked up those steps was

00:13:46.740 because it was TripAdvisor stop, supposed to be this, you know, monument in New York. You have to

00:13:52.920 see it. And as I stepped in, I was praying and I said to Allah, please forgive me. Don't strike me

00:14:00.020 because I'm going into this church because all these Christians, you know, they go to hell 1.00

00:14:05.120 because they believe in a son of God so please forgive me and I as I walked in the first thing

00:14:11.980 I saw was a picture a stained glass picture of Jesus and it was his face and it looked like his

00:14:20.360 eyes were alive and they were piercing right into me and it made me so uncomfortable and I walked

00:14:27.520 around and you know I started to walk around the the cathedral but the whole time I felt he was

00:14:35.240 following me he was behind me and his eyes were piercing right into me and I walked around and

00:14:42.480 near the exit there's a gift shop and I was there and the kids were looking at something and in my

00:14:48.160 heart I'm saying Allah forgive me I'm nearly out you know you could see the sun was shining or

00:14:54.020 coming in and I'm going to leave and don't, you know, be upset with me. And as I was standing

00:15:00.900 there, completely lost in those thoughts, I heard a woman's whisper and it was so gentle

00:15:10.700 and it was so sweet. And she whispered, come back, come back. And I turned around and there

00:15:18.720 was no one there. And I thought I'm imagining things. So I go back to, you know, talking to

00:15:25.280 the kids and suddenly I hear it again, come back, come back. And this time when I heard it, there

00:15:32.320 was a knowing that came with it. And I knew it was Mary who was talking to me. I knew where she

00:15:39.940 was calling me. There was a chapel in the back. It's Mary's chapel. She was calling me there.

00:15:47.140 And when I had walked by, I had no idea.

00:15:49.340 I didn't take a tour of St. Patrick's.

00:15:51.080 I just walked around.

00:15:52.220 I had no understanding of Catholic, Christian, anything.

00:15:56.360 But when I heard her voice, I knew there was a chapel that was hers, and I was being called

00:16:01.420 there.

00:16:02.120 And I knew exactly where it was when I heard her voice.

00:16:05.800 And so how could I walk out?

00:16:08.320 I had loved her for all these years as a Muslim.

00:16:11.080 I would read Sura Mariam every day for years.

00:16:14.480 And so I couldn't just walk out. So I went back and I walked into her chapel and I stood there in the back. And there's this beautiful statue of Mary there. And all these people are kneeling. And I thought, oh, my gosh, they are so reverent. This is beautiful, but they're going to hell because they're kneeling in front of a statue.

00:16:34.960 And I refused to even sit there. I just stood there and I waited for a while thinking she would say something and I heard nothing. I left and I was in New York City for a couple of days and I had to go back every single day I was there just to breathe in that cathedral because I had experienced a peace I had never experienced anywhere.

00:16:59.880 it pierced my heart and my soul. And so I would just go in there just to soak that in

00:17:06.880 for the few days I was there. And I didn't hear anything more. And I left. And life went back to

00:17:14.400 normal. Ramadan came, and I was fasting. And I just thought that was something nice. For whatever 1.00

00:17:20.000 reason, Maryam chose to speak to me in a Christian church, which I didn't understand. But I didn't

00:17:26.600 think more about it. Well, this must have been around springtime and, you know, months go by

00:17:32.300 and I forget about it. And then it is December. And I know it was the first week of December

00:17:38.160 and I was sleeping and it was the early hours of the morning. And I know because the sun was

00:17:45.480 starting to shine in, I was kind of half awake, half asleep. It felt like somebody had gently

00:17:50.800 touched me and kind of I had come out of the deep sleep so I was half awake half asleep

00:17:56.500 and Jesus and Mary were at my bedside I cannot really put into words what that was like

00:18:07.560 I really it felt like heaven had come into my room and did you know it was Jesus and Mary kind

00:18:16.160 of the way you knew it was our lady calling you i knew very clearly it was them um mary it was a

00:18:24.620 side profile and mary had the veil they were both facing each other and they were like right at my

00:18:33.000 bedside and jesus had the crown of thorns and she had the veil on my body was on the bed

00:18:41.320 but it's like at the same time my spirit jumped up and I it was this instant recognition of who

00:18:51.360 they were like my long-lost friends that we had been separated for my whole life and they we were

00:18:59.260 finally together we were united and I jumped my spirit jumped up and embraced them and rejoiced

00:19:06.660 I mean, the joy was beyond what I can put into words, and we embraced, and all this

00:19:17.740 communication did not happen in words.

00:19:21.020 I understood that we were rejoicing.

00:19:24.080 We prayed together, but there were no words.

00:19:27.120 It was within my spirit to spirit communication, and they showed me my life, and I remember

00:19:34.800 that being a very serious moment. And they both showed it to me and I saw everything that was to

00:19:44.100 come. My whole life was before me. And it was like they were asking if I was going to say yes.

00:19:52.660 I said yes, because I saw that at the end, like whatever the result was, was so good

00:20:01.560 that all I could say was yes with the greatest joy.

00:20:07.080 And they rejoiced with me, and we embraced, and we prayed.

00:20:12.820 And there was this light that was being infused into my body as all this was happening.

00:20:18.240 And when I woke up, I laid in bed, and I knew I was physically just changed.

00:20:26.520 I felt different in a physical way.

00:20:29.460 And I couldn't understand, because at first I'm thinking I had a dream, but it was so vivid and so real that I physically felt I had this encounter.

00:20:41.580 And my mom was visiting at that time, and I, you know, had my coffee, and I was telling her I had this dream, and I, you know, I was still in that daze.

00:20:52.440 And my mom said, well, it's Christmas, so you're probably thinking about it, you know, that's what dreams were.

00:20:58.540 And I said, yeah, probably. And then I just knew that that is not it. This had happened to me and I had encountered Jesus and Mary. And my Muslim mind was completely blown. I didn't know what to think of this.

00:21:14.340 I'm going to get in real trouble if I don't ask you this. So there are so many Catholics who are really in love with our Lord and his Blessed Mother. And like you, as you were asking, let me know you, let me know you, wanting that relationship. They too want that. And so I have the real privilege of talking to you. And I can ask you for them and for myself, what did they look like?

00:21:40.020 um because we have all this you know thing in our in our imaginations i think the um passion

00:21:47.120 of the christ mel gibson's has really affected a lot of people but can you describe what they

00:21:51.740 looked like it is really difficult to describe because after this i have had dreams and you know

00:22:00.880 where with mary and jesus and it's not like the features are so clear like i'm looking at you and

00:22:09.420 i can just see exactly how you look they're kind of blurry i don't know how else to say it

00:22:14.900 it's kind of like blurry but this the overwhelming senses of love is what comes through like it is

00:22:26.380 the love is so powerful that you kind of fade away in the look and with our lady there is just a sense

00:22:36.500 of such a gentleness about her that it just melts you and you you know so when i say i saw

00:22:45.380 it was like on the side it was like a um a side profile of a very fuzzy kind of

00:22:53.860 look but there was the love just takes over and that's all you can experience i've had one dream

00:23:02.720 where it was like a divine mercy today, I can say that that's kind of what it was,

00:23:09.080 where Jesus was there, and I saw his hand come out of the light, but the light was so bright and

00:23:18.940 white. It's not the light like I've ever seen on earth, that I could look at the light, it didn't

00:23:26.740 blind me, but it was so bright. And out of the light were rays of love that you would just die.

00:23:34.160 Like I started to, I guess, go into ecstasy in my dreams. You can't take it. The love

00:23:41.480 is the overwhelming sense in every dream or encounter I've had. So, you know, if I had to

00:23:51.380 guess maybe if you get let me show you a picture i guess i can show you this is the closest for me

00:23:57.780 i have this picture of jesus and i feel if i were to say then that would be the closest okay

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00:24:40.100 texting LifeSiteNews to 50155. May God bless you. You were saying before that this was sort of the

00:24:49.980 first encounter. Let's go back there. And so it happens, you're confronted, your mom says it's

00:24:57.700 probably Christmas time, don't worry. And you know there's something more. Then what? Because you

00:25:03.880 you then have other encounters and you're still Muslim at this point. You're not Catholic nor

00:25:11.420 even thinking about Catholic yet. I didn't know what Catholic was. To me, all Christians fall in 1.00

00:25:16.480 the same category and all Christians go to hell because they believe in a son of God. I mean, 0.96

00:25:21.580 I had a very simple way of looking at that and including all the other religions. I just thought

00:25:28.020 Islam is the only truth. Now, I had questions about Islam that didn't fit right for me in my

00:25:34.460 heart, because I believe God is love, but it didn't fit in the Islamic teachings. And so somehow I had

00:25:45.040 eliminated pages of the Quran that didn't sit right with me about killing and hurting, because

00:25:50.220 like, it must be the interpretation. God could not really mean that. Like, why would you hurt

00:25:55.980 another person. But I did believe that at the end, at the end of time, Christians would go to hell 1.00

00:26:03.120 because blasphemy is the greatest sin. So in my Muslim mind, this was like made completely no

00:26:10.620 sense to me. I had the dream, but it didn't just stop there. What started to happen right after it

00:26:17.760 is I felt this presence came over me physically after that dream. And it was like this tangible

00:26:25.420 presence of God, like energy, and I could feel it. And it was all over me. And it went with me

00:26:32.200 everywhere. And I was pointed out every church on the drive to work. I had done this drive for

00:26:40.940 years. I never noticed any of the churches on the way because I was so disinterested or I was blind.

00:26:48.100 But from that dream, everything changed. This presence is there. I hear every time I'm driving,

00:26:55.000 I'm shown every Christian church I passed. And it's like this voice would say, look,

00:27:01.120 and my attention would be drawn and I would see the cross. And I would think, how did I not know

00:27:06.780 there are so many churches here? Like I drive by all, but I had never seen them until that day.

00:27:13.900 And from that day, all, you know, I'd go into a store, I would be shown Christian, any items that

00:27:20.400 were there. And it became like a haunting for me because I'm Muslim. And I thought God is surely

00:27:26.360 going to strike me like, why am I paying attention to this? But the confusion was, it was God that I

00:27:33.780 felt was with me. So how can it be God, but then God would be angry with me because he's the one

00:27:39.880 showing it to me. So I was just very confused. And Jesus in the Quran is a prophet. He is not divine.

00:27:49.020 um Mary does have you know is a virgin she gives birth to the prophet Esau you know the 0.93

00:27:55.420 Annunciation is in the Quran you know the angel comes to Mary so that's there but he's not divine

00:28:01.960 he just has a gift of healing and he's a special prophet I started having these dreams like the

00:28:07.620 other one I told you where you know it's Jesus in this light he's not coming to me like a dead

00:28:14.180 prophet coming in a dream. These dreams were real encounters because I physically would experience

00:28:22.080 it. And he was not coming like a human. It was God. And that's where my mind was just really

00:28:30.480 struggling. And I got angry with Allah. I said, Allah, I've been praying to you for so long to

00:28:36.140 reveal who you are. And if you send me Muhammad, send me Ali, send me, you know, all the imams, 1.00

00:28:43.380 why are you sending me Jesus it makes no sense to me and Mary like this is Christian why is this 1.00

00:28:51.760 happening to me and I went through a real hard time I mean I was tormented because I was scared

00:28:57.640 of being you know punished by Allah but at the same time I couldn't deny it's God I had never

00:29:05.120 had a doubt it was God and then our lady the Virgin Mary she would I would hear her speak to

00:29:13.020 me in my heart and lead me to call me to places. And it was like these breadcrumbs put before me.

00:29:19.220 But the one thing I have to say, as a Muslim, you live in fear. You have no freedom to think.

00:29:26.940 Even if you think something, you're scared you're going to be struck by God.

00:29:31.460 But these encounters, there was no fear. And there was always an invitation. There was freedom.

00:29:38.040 I could choose or not. And so when I would be called to go to a certain place, and that was

00:29:44.520 always Christian, I could say no. And I didn't feel that I would be struck or punished or anything.

00:29:51.560 I felt it was truly my decision to do or not. And I followed every breadcrumb because there was this

00:30:00.000 pull that there was something more there and I wanted it. And I was seeking truth because when

00:30:07.020 I would pray, I would say to God, I want to know the truth and I know I don't have it. I don't have

00:30:13.040 the fullness of truth yet. I knew that and I want it. And I believed in an objective truth. I didn't

00:30:19.360 believe I had my truth and you have, I believe there was one truth that was divine and I wanted

00:30:25.360 it. And so I followed all these breadcrumbs until I couldn't do it anymore. I was exhausted. I didn't

00:30:33.180 do any research on the computer. This was between me and God. This was the struggle. I was not going

00:30:40.020 to go on the internet and be pulled into anything. So it was my personal struggle. And finally, I

00:30:45.760 said, Jesus, I can't do this anymore. You need to stop doing this. Why do you keep showing up? I

00:30:51.220 don't understand. And so I said, I'll make a deal with you. I will come to your church. I will go

00:30:57.620 through the full service. You will tell me what you want from me, and then please leave me alone.

00:31:03.180 because i can't do this anymore and i thought you know the church is his home so i'll go there and

00:31:08.680 he'll tell me and so i picked a chair down down the road it was christmas time again and there

00:31:14.820 was a midnight service they had a sign up and again to me i didn't care a church was a church

00:31:20.500 and so i went for a midnight service i took part in everything they passed a tray around the pastor

00:31:27.360 did reading singing candles everything and i even drank the little juice cup and you know like i'm

00:31:33.120 doing it all because now you're going to tell me what you want. And at the end, we all got candles.

00:31:39.540 We processed out singing. And I stood in the parking lot. It was like one in the morning.

00:31:45.640 Like, this is it? Where are you? Because you weren't there. And this sentence came from my

00:31:53.820 heart. The one who is calling me was not there. I'm like, what does that even mean? I don't even

00:31:59.560 know what this means. Why am I feeling this? Why are these words coming to me? But I felt empty.

00:32:06.260 So on a physical level, it was a beautiful service. Everything was great. But in my spirit,

00:32:12.960 it was empty. And I didn't know what that meant. And I didn't know where to go. So I said to Jesus,

00:32:18.320 I came to your church, I did my part, and you weren't there. So I don't know where to go anymore.

00:32:23.320 and there was a lady who I had been sharing this with at work and for some reason I picked her to

00:32:31.100 tell her I was having these dreams and she would always say to me you're so blessed you're so

00:32:37.040 blessed I'm like I'm not blessed I don't want this then she gave me these beads and said I

00:32:42.720 don't know what to do for you but I feel I'm supposed to give this to you and it was a Christmas

00:32:47.100 rosary that she said had been blessed and all and I took it because as Muslims we have beads and

00:32:53.140 you know that was fine so I told her her name is Debbie and I said Debbie I went to church because

00:33:01.160 she had been telling me come to my church come to I said and she said so how was it and I said

00:33:06.620 he wasn't there and she said what do you mean he wasn't there I said Jesus wasn't there and she

00:33:12.660 said okay you need to come to my church and I said why is your church any better and she said

00:33:17.880 just come to my church. And at this point, I am so frustrated. I'm tired. I want this to stop.

00:33:24.540 I said, okay, I'll come to your church, but no service. Just take me. We'll see if he's there.

00:33:30.140 And so she did. And it was a Roman Catholic church, St. Ignatius Roman Catholic church.

00:33:37.060 And we pulled up. I thought another church, hopefully he's there. To me, it didn't mean

00:33:42.240 anything. And we walked in and I took a breath and I said, he's here. I can feel him. I could

00:33:52.060 tangibly feel his presence. It reminded me, it was like that presence that came over me after

00:34:00.380 the dream that was God. I felt that same physical, tangible presence there. And I said, I found his

00:34:07.880 house. Now I'm going to come here and he's going to tell me what he wants. And so I started going

00:34:14.000 to that church and I would sit alone when no one was there. And I would argue with the crucifix

00:34:20.640 and tell him he's not the son of God. And now I'd found a place where I could come argue with him.

00:34:26.160 And so I'd show up every single day and I would do this argument and then I would tell him about

00:34:33.360 my day and I'd spend an hour or two and I was in sales so I could do my own schedule.

00:34:39.700 My schedule always had Jesus on there every single day. I did not miss a day except Sunday

00:34:46.860 where people came and I was so upset so I'd show up on Monday. I didn't realize that Jesus had

00:34:52.880 become a friend to me because I was there every day with him. I was spending so much time with

00:34:57.440 him, to tell him he's not the son of God. That's what I came for. And then, you know, share my day.

00:35:05.680 I did this for months. I think it was six or eight months. I'd be there every day doing this

00:35:11.080 and hearing nothing, but feeling, I felt a peace that I would, that I never experienced anywhere.

00:35:19.060 And finally, God had enough. And I was sitting doing the same thing. You are not the son of God.

00:35:25.960 And that day, it was empty that there was no one in the church but me.

00:35:32.280 I heard God's audible voice echo.

00:35:36.040 And he said to me, who are you to tell me who I can be and cannot be?

00:35:41.900 If you really want the truth, come back like a child.

00:35:45.940 And I will tell you the truth.

00:35:47.740 I ran out of the church.

00:35:50.860 I know God just spoke to me.

00:35:54.340 There was no question.

00:35:55.960 I had heard God's audible voice in that Catholic church.

00:36:00.120 And he was right.

00:36:01.900 Who was I to tell God he can't have a son?

00:36:05.960 Who am I to say that?

00:36:08.980 And he said, if you really want the truth, and I did, I really did want the truth,

00:36:16.840 then come like a child, and he gave me a promise.

00:36:20.220 I will tell you the truth.

00:36:21.760 And when I walked back in the next day, I knew my life was going to change.

00:36:28.900 I knew I was going to suffer.

00:36:31.220 I knew I was going to pay a price.

00:36:33.440 Somehow, I just knew that.

00:36:35.040 But I wanted the truth.

00:36:37.560 I refused to live the rest of my life knowing that the truth exists and I don't have it.

00:36:43.400 Because God himself told me there is a truth.

00:36:45.700 And so I came back and I sat down in the back pew, as I always did.

00:36:50.160 And this time, I emptied my mind. I was 40 years old, and I emptied my mind of everything I had

00:36:58.460 ever been taught, which is really hard for a Muslim because you're so scared all the time.

00:37:03.260 And I emptied my mind of all the teachings, and I opened the Muslim box, and I really 1.00

00:37:09.260 thought, God, tell me, because I was ready for the truth, whatever it was going to be.

00:37:15.800 It was instantaneous. As soon as I did that, I put down my defenses, my box, and I opened my heart.

00:37:25.060 There was a bolt of light that came from that crucifix, and it hit me on my heart and went

00:37:30.920 through my body, and I started to shake, and I started to sob, and my knees gave way, and I

00:37:37.780 collapsed on my knees for the first time. And the only words that came out of my mouth was,

00:37:43.560 I believe, I believe, you are the Son of God.

00:37:46.880 I believe, I believe, you are the Son of God.

00:37:51.500 Because he was before me.

00:37:54.700 His presence was God.

00:37:57.860 It was not a man, it was God himself.

00:38:02.220 And my spirit knew it.

00:38:04.740 And it was, again, just light and presence.

00:38:08.680 And my spirit testified to the truth.

00:38:12.160 and all I could say is I believe you are the son of God I believe and truly those words from the

00:38:19.760 gospel that at the name of Jesus every knee shall bend came true because my knees just gave way

00:38:26.060 my mind was not involved in this it truly was a spiritual encounter and as I sobbed it was like

00:38:36.960 when you get truth you have lived a life without the truth and now you get it it takes a long time

00:38:44.700 to even take it in and it was like these waves coming over me and as I was sobbing the wall

00:38:51.580 that was always between me and God when I would pray as a Muslim I saw before me the walls 1.00

00:38:59.200 crumble like brick by brick it started to crumble I had always wanted to go to the other side of the

00:39:05.860 wall because i knew god was there and i could never get there and now the wall crumbled and

00:39:11.560 as the wall crumbled on the other side was god the father and he said i have waited so long for you

00:39:19.200 and the waves of love that came were so intense it's like trying to drink an ocean and you just

00:39:29.100 can't take it. As a Muslim, I had loved God, but I didn't know that I was so loved.

00:39:37.800 It was me loving God on the other side of the wall. But when the wall came down, I realized

00:39:45.520 how loved I was. Even as a woman, always feeling less, in that moment, I became a daughter.

00:39:54.700 Jesus says, I am the way, the truth, and the life, and no one comes to the Father except through me.

00:40:02.160 I was trying to get to God on the other side of the wall, but I kept denying his son.

00:40:08.320 But Jesus is the door to the Father.

00:40:11.400 You cannot get to the Father except through him.

00:40:16.220 The instant I said, I believe you are the Son of God, I was immediately in the arms of the Father.

00:40:24.180 and I became his daughter, I recognized who I was for the first time.

00:40:30.760 And to realize that you are so loved, I'm still trying to get to believe that.

00:40:37.380 It is so incredible.

00:40:39.660 And my life was completely transformed in that instant.

00:40:43.700 Total moment of grace, so undeserved, not because I was so great,

00:40:49.240 I did great things or anything, just his mercy.

00:40:52.160 Was the understanding that it was the Catholic Church immediate?

00:41:22.160 when you know the truth it's really hard to live the truth and as a muslim i had to when i walked

00:41:28.060 out of the church knowing truth but still a muslim i had to walk that walk to the catholic church

00:41:36.400 and my parents were devastated and um our conversation it was so painful and when i

00:41:45.360 told them you know they tried to talk me out of it and they said you can go to church why do you

00:41:51.880 have to be change your religion just go to church that's fine and i said i found the truth how am i

00:41:58.640 gonna live a lie like that would be deception i cannot i have to openly believe and live

00:42:05.240 this truth and so i i decided you know it was a journey but i joined our cia and when i started

00:42:15.020 to go through it, whatever I would learn, somehow I think I had an infusion of knowledge. I don't

00:42:23.560 know what else to call it. And I would be like, I already know this. I know this is true. And

00:42:30.440 some of the dreams and these visions that I've had, I didn't know. But when I studied or went

00:42:38.300 through RCIA, I had already been shown it in a dream. Like the priesthood, the power of the

00:42:44.500 priesthood, that it is Jesus. I had a dream and I saw a mass being celebrated. And it was a private

00:42:52.580 mass. There were like 10 people. I was there. And it was the priest was there. And then during

00:42:58.500 consecration, the priest disappeared and Jesus was there. And I was so shocked at the whole thing.

00:43:07.500 And I told my RCIA teacher that you won't believe I had this dream. And this is what I started.

00:43:14.100 She looked at me. She's like, that's what we believe. I said, we do? I didn't know that, but I have been shown it. So I know the Catholic Church is the truth. The fullness of the truth is in the Catholic Church. Do we have problems? Yes, but it's still the truth.

00:43:34.520 The struggle with your family, what did you do with your children at this point?

00:43:38.300 So my children were teenagers. And I told them about, you know, I have been having these dreams and all. And both the kids were happy. They're like, yes, because they did not like the Quran teacher. They hated the whole thing. So they were like, yes, mom, let's go to church. That's better. 0.97

00:43:58.040 so my son was 16 he decided to go through our cia with me and came into the church with me and that

00:44:06.400 was i told him he didn't have to and he said he wanted to so he was he was very happy to come into

00:44:12.980 the church my daughter uh got baptized in a non-denominational first and then she came into

00:44:19.500 the Catholic Church again, you know, by her own choice. And actually, it's amazing. You know,

00:44:27.640 I thought when Jesus saved me, it was all about me. He came to save me. This is it. That's all

00:44:34.040 there is to it. But Jesus had a much bigger plan because he got my kids. I have two sisters. Both

00:44:42.040 my sisters had their own experiences. They came into the Catholic Church. My dad started seeing

00:44:48.820 jesus on his prayer mat when he was praying the face of jesus started appearing now he didn't

00:44:55.620 you know he wasn't well and all but in his end days he asked for a picture of jesus on his

00:45:02.020 for his bedroom and this is the picture from my dad's room and i sent this to him and so

00:45:10.560 that happened and um and there are you know my brother-in-law should what likes to go with my

00:45:18.840 sister to adoration because he says he just feels peace and so jesus has just kind of invaded the

00:45:26.200 family so you know we think oh yeah you know our plans and our um ideas are so small and god's plans

00:45:35.940 are so much bigger he he wants to save the world he does and he's used you in a very special way

00:45:43.140 not only to reach your family your children but also to reach countless people through your books

00:45:47.640 through your witness through your speaking your story is very very powerful what do you pray for

00:45:52.660 your brothers and sisters who are uh muslim who are still muslim it's it's very difficult there's

00:45:59.300 not a lot of evangelization uh directed that way at least not publicly because well for one it's

00:46:05.400 illegal in most of the Muslim countries, punishable by death even. What are your hopes for them? I know 1.00

00:46:12.960 your story's already touched many, but how would you tell Catholics to approach the question of

00:46:22.440 any kind of evangelization of Muslims? When I was a Muslim, if somebody came to me and said,

00:46:29.760 let me tell you, let me invite you, come to my church. And I would pretty much walk away and

00:46:36.160 maybe not even associate with that person because I feel, you know, they're going to hell. I'm not

00:46:42.300 interested. And that would be it. But there are, that's where I was. And maybe that's why God had

00:46:49.320 to do something so dramatic as to come to me the way he did. But there are some, some that are,

00:46:55.880 are more open to it. And I think if there is anything that we can do is we should start with

00:47:02.780 something that we have in common, which is Our Lady, which is a safe place to talk about her 0.66

00:47:11.160 and maybe talk about, you know, it's I didn't know that Mariam is so loved in Islam because we love

00:47:19.440 her too, and maybe give them a miraculous medal, because that is something, you know,

00:47:25.980 well, we says mother of God, which they wouldn't go for. But just the idea of Mary is something

00:47:33.580 that can open the door. You know, if we can get something to at least crack the door open,

00:47:41.400 then when Mary comes in, she will lead you to her son. She did that to me. She started, 0.59

00:47:46.760 But she led me to her son. So I think that and also maybe talking about Our Lady of Zaytun, you know, who appeared the apparition in Egypt or in Syria, Our Lady of Sufaina, I think is what's what it's called, the city and St. Charbel in Lebanon.

00:48:07.500 I mean, so many Muslims go there and get healed, you know, with the saints and Our Lady, I think, is a place to start.

00:48:15.380 If we start with Jesus, that's a complete, he's not the son of God, because there's nothing to talk about.

00:48:21.580 But they'll talk about Our Lady, and I think that that would be a good place.

00:48:27.380 But I would like to say something, John Henry.

00:48:30.380 You know, we talk about evangelizing others, and of course we should and all that.

00:48:35.640 But I really think the crisis that we're facing is within our own church.

00:48:42.180 We're facing a problem within our church.

00:48:46.540 We can't give somebody what we don't have.

00:48:50.080 Okay?

00:48:50.700 So we have to first have our own say.

00:48:54.880 As a Muslim, I used to look down on Christians and say, you know, they're worldly. 0.99

00:49:01.580 You know, they dress immodestly. 0.81

00:49:03.680 look at their women, look at, I'm making general statements, but that was the impression of the

00:49:08.840 West. And they, they compromise their faith. Their faith is weak. There's, you know, they wear a

00:49:15.600 bracelet or, or a cross or whatever, but look at their life. And here we are Muslims. We fast 30

00:49:21.940 days, you know, no food, no water. And we pray five times a day and what they go to church on

00:49:28.400 Sunday and, you know, so there was that thing. So we don't really witness really well. Sometimes

00:49:36.720 words aren't necessary because a lot is being said by the way we're living our faith. I think

00:49:42.840 that if we can truly, instead of looking outside, we first begin with inside our own home, in our

00:49:51.680 own room, within our own heart, and really open work there. Do you really believe that Jesus

00:50:00.600 is the Son of God who came to save you and gave his life up for you? And are you really living

00:50:08.660 like somebody who has received this immense gift of salvation? Or is Jesus something you take off,

00:50:18.060 take them from the shelf on a Sunday if you're lucky? Or do you just take him for granted? Oh,

00:50:23.460 yeah, Jesus heals, you know, I have a Savior. Because I think that is mockery of what a

00:50:29.520 Christian should be. And if we can truly witness, if we first believe, we will witness, and it'll

00:50:38.580 be obvious to the world. You know, Christian men are failing to be men, sadly, but Muslim men 1.00

00:50:46.760 are living what their religion teaches, whatever that may be, but at least they're living it. 0.97

00:50:52.580 They're following it to the teeth. The men are in the mosque leading their children. You know,

00:50:58.320 is religion left to the women, especially in the Catholic Church, sadly. If I go to a Protestant 0.88

00:51:04.160 church, I see more men there. Not so much in the Catholic Church, in daily mass, or, you know,

00:51:10.940 to really fight that battle on the knees first, because the interior battle is where Satan really

00:51:20.080 gets us, you know, with distractions or compromise or, you know, you start compromising the gospel.

00:51:26.860 St. Paul says, you know, that be cursed if you change one word of the gospel. We can't rewrite

00:51:35.780 the gospel to fit our sin. And I think if we do that, the evangelization will happen because we

00:51:43.240 will witness to the joy of the gospel. We are experiencing a battle royale, if you will,

00:51:49.540 in the Catholic Church. Not only, it is true what you say, first of all, with regard to

00:51:55.220 individual spirituality, it's very true. The lack, in some ways we all lack, because if we really

00:52:02.820 understood, if we really appreciated what we have and who we are in Christ, that would transform

00:52:10.720 our lives in a way it would be hard to even understand. But just simply, if you believe

00:52:16.900 that Christ is truly present in the blessed sacrament, if you believe that he's there and

00:52:20.480 he offers himself to you every day, what kind of thing could keep you from mass daily? Forget about

00:52:25.920 just Sundays. But beyond that individual and personal need to change, which is there for all

00:52:33.880 of us and very, very many, particularly in the church, there is an institutional crisis right

00:52:39.780 now in the church. This concept that you mentioned about trying to change the gospel, it's particular

00:52:44.840 around the embrace of homosexuality, which is an abomination to our Lord. It's very well known. 1.00

00:52:51.460 Is that something that the Muslims, I always thought, gee, you know, especially with what the church is doing right now with regard to this seeming embrace of homosexuality against the scriptures, against everything everybody knows about God, the latest thing to come out of the Vatican, some kind of reinterpretation of Sodom as this sin against, of not welcoming the immigrant.

00:53:14.460 Is that something that Islam sort of points to and says, see, there is, I believe they refer to the West as the great Satan or Christianity as such.

00:53:24.720 Is that something that is a counterexample of them to the truth?

00:53:28.360 Yes, on the surface. But if you see what's happening is that we see the LGBTQ movement teaming up with the Islamic movement right now.

00:53:45.120 But in truth, Islam, you know, we here in the Muslim countries, they'll throw you off the rooftop if you are gay.

00:53:53.080 but here because the cause is to tear down order then they team up but to answer your question 0.95

00:54:03.380 in islam homosexuality is a sin punishable by death the reality though in action in what

00:54:15.320 really goes on and I've lived in Pakistan and the Middle East and sadly it's rampant there 0.82

00:54:23.580 and if you've heard of the dancing boys of Afghanistan and you know in northern Pakistan 0.92

00:54:30.500 having little boy sex slaves is very common and homosexuality is also pretty prevalent in the 0.98

00:54:40.840 Middle East. But technically in the Quran, so it's all undercover. It's not happening openly 0.97

00:54:47.380 as it is in the West, but it's very much there. And a blind eye is turned, you know, to it like

00:54:54.620 in Afghanistan, it's part of the culture. Even among devout Muslims? Or how is this

00:54:59.220 supposed to work with their faith? In devout Muslims, somehow they have this 1.00

00:55:05.660 life that they live on the side, and they have these relationships, and then they'll go pray

00:55:13.140 five times a day. How that they reconcile it, I don't know. But it's very much there. And

00:55:20.500 personally, living in the Middle East, I have seen that. Or also men sexually harassing women.

00:55:28.840 I narrowly escaped it a couple of times myself there. 0.94

00:55:34.000 And these are Muslim men that go to the mosque and pray five times a day and carry the tusbe

00:55:40.200 in their hand and, you know, do all that.

00:55:44.320 That's shocking because you were a Muslim woman. 1.00

00:55:47.580 I figured Christian women are to be used or whatever, but even Muslim women wouldn't 1.00

00:55:54.900 be respected. 1.00

00:55:55.500 Now, sexual abuse is so common there. And now a non-Muslim woman falls even lower. So, you know, you have the grooming gangs in England now that you hear about, you know, they go after the white girls because their value is like an animal. They're regarded so little. 0.98

00:56:18.640 but even as a muslim woman when i was in pakistan and i ended up being in in a village

00:56:25.500 and i had a chather on you know it's just like this sheet like you're all covered and the way

00:56:32.480 i was looked at i'll never forget how scared i was because it was like wild animals looking that

00:56:39.100 if they could get their hands on you they'd rip you to shreds and you know so there are things

00:56:47.200 I've personally experienced. Does that mean every Muslim is that? Of course not. Does it mean every 0.79

00:56:53.180 husband is an abuser? Of course not. But it is happening quite a bit there, especially when the

00:57:01.520 religion says, oh, you shouldn't. And it's that rampant. Right now, what's going on in the world

00:57:09.800 with regard to Iran, I know that's very, it's all over the place. Is there any understanding that

00:57:17.180 you have about it, given your background and your newfound faith? Any insights you can give us there

00:57:23.980 that you might have? Because, I mean, it's being painted in some ways as it's radical Islam that

00:57:29.480 we're fighting, but there's all sorts of nonsense about what's going on there. So just wondering if

00:57:34.600 you had any insights into that. I really can't speak much to the political part of it, but in

00:57:40.480 general, I think we cannot be naive about what Islam teaches. And again, I'll say this, not every 0.99

00:57:49.580 Muslim is violent, of course not. You know, I know so many, obviously my own family, that are not

00:57:57.040 violent, that want to live peacefully, that want to practice their religion peacefully. But there

00:58:03.200 is the political arm of Islam, and they want to further the cause of Islam, and they want

00:58:10.200 Sharia law, and they want caliphate, they want Islam to be the religion of the world. 1.00

00:58:17.300 That is what they're working for.

00:58:19.560 And only when that happens, that they'll have the Mahdi will come and all, you know, the 1.00

00:58:27.120 final battle will take place.

00:58:29.060 So it is about taking over and bringing Islam. And the way they do it, if one man can have four wives and the four wives can have, I don't know, 40 children, whatever the number is, they're obviously growing much faster than in the Western world where, you know, barely having one child. 1.00

00:58:50.040 So just by sheer numbers, they're growing. And that is what they want. And they believe in that, in that faith. And that's what they want. And I don't think that we can be so naive as to say, oh, no, it's not real. It's not happening. You can't bury your head in the ground.

00:59:09.040 We can look in Germany. You can look at mass migration, what that has done to the country. 1.00

00:59:16.000 And we may think that, oh, that would never be because I would never do that. You have to

00:59:21.680 understand you're dealing with a whole different mindset and a religion that is actually propagating

00:59:28.260 that, that's driving that. And you have to face that and you have to deal with it. There's a lot

00:59:35.360 of talk about love and acceptance and welcoming people and all, but I don't know if somebody

00:59:43.100 comes knocking on your door and you don't know them, then you just open your home up

00:59:48.100 and say, yeah, come on in, live with me, and here's my family, and who does that?

00:59:53.960 You know, you do, Jesus says you have to be wise as a serpent and innocent as a dove,

01:00:00.580 And I think that the Western world has to really read up objectively what Islam teaches and what is its goal, and face it and deal with it accordingly, not with this, you know, fantasy idea. It's just about peace, because the results are not showing you. By their fruits, you will know them. 0.89

01:00:23.100 Nikki, you've been very generous with your time. I have one more question for you because you didn't mention it when you were mentioning the apparitions of Our Lady. I thought you were going to mention it first, but the apparition of Our Lady of Fatima. Now, Fatima is a very special name to Muslims. Tell us why that is. And what are your thoughts there?

01:00:39.500 Fatima was the beloved daughter of the Prophet Muhammad. And of course, with that name and the princess there who, you know, she was Muslim, and that's why Fatima was named what it was after her.

01:00:56.280 I do believe that Our Lady is going to be the one who is going to play a key role in bringing Muslims to Jesus, because it's to Jesus through Mary, and that we're going to see happen.

01:01:11.120 And, of course, Fatima with the name means a lot.

01:01:15.300 You know, it's a hint towards Islam. 0.97

01:01:19.460 And Archbishop Fulton Sheen said those who love Mary will one day come to know her son.

01:01:25.360 There's no way you can escape that. So I do think, you know, Fatima, Zaytun, Safina, you know, even in Ephesus, there are people who make pilgrimages, Muslims go there and reference this where Our Lady lived.

01:01:42.640 So there is a tremendous, she is the common denominator, and I do believe that she is going to be the bridge.

01:01:51.800 And how she's going to do it, I don't know, but if anyone can do it, I know her lady can. 0.99

01:01:56.880 Beautiful. Nikki Kingsley, thank you so much for being with us.

01:02:00.100 We're generous with your time.

01:02:01.660 Please go pick up her book, Thirst for Truth, From Muhammad to Jesus.

01:02:06.460 God bless you. Thank you so much for joining us.

01:02:08.420 Thank you so much.

01:02:09.480 And God bless all of you, and we'll see you next time.

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The John-Henry Westen Show - March 25, 2026

Muslim Woman's Shocking Visions of Jesus & Mary

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