The John-Henry Westen Show - NEW Forensic Files expose FAKE Sr. Lucy of Fatima？

00:00:00.000 We see presented to us a woman who we've verified through this scientific analysis

00:00:08.320 that it's the same woman as appeared in 1967, but it's not the same woman prior to 1967.

00:00:19.020 What happened to the real Sister Lucy? What happened to the seer of Fatima,

00:00:24.120 the woman charged by Our Lady and Our Lord, to propagate the Fatima message? What happened to her?

00:00:33.040 You know, there's many mysteries in the Vatican. If you look at the record of Robert Calvi,

00:00:39.320 the God's banker, the Vatican, who was killed. If you look at Emanuela Orlandi, the young girl who

00:00:47.440 was hidden and buried, or they say so. These things are very strange and unknown. They're

00:00:54.520 unsolved mysteries. Well, there's another unsolved mystery in the Vatican, and it pertains to

00:01:00.600 Sister Lucy dos Santos. She's the seer who survived. The other two seers, Jacinta and Francisco,

00:01:08.100 they both passed away as children, as was predicted. But Sister Lucy, or Lucia at the time,

00:01:14.940 she lived on. She joined a convent. But something strange happened. She seemed to change her tune

00:01:23.220 from around just before 1960 and after. And so some people have postulated that perhaps there is a

00:01:32.260 different Sister Lucy, that there was actually an imposter. Now, that sounds pretty out there.

00:01:39.060 That's a conspiracy theory, I'm sure. Well, until somebody did the digging. The digging in terms

00:01:46.220 of evidence. Evidence that was looked at by forensic experts and found to be credible.

00:01:53.760 That's what we've got to look at today with one of the foremost promoters of that evidence,

00:01:59.760 the one who found most of it by contracting out two professionals, the evidence. So this is going

00:02:06.080 to be very interesting. This is the John Henry Weston Show. Stay tuned.

00:02:36.080 Dr. Peter Hojnofsky, good to be with you. Nice to see you, John. Thanks for having me on your show.

00:02:42.420 Let's begin, as we always do, with the sign of the cross, in the name of the Father and of the Son

00:02:46.260 and of the Holy Ghost. Amen. Dr. Hojnofsky, you are a graduate of Christendom College for your

00:02:53.160 undergrad. Then you are a PhD graduate in philosophy. Tell us a little bit about your background,

00:03:00.860 if you would, because in postulating what you are now, this endangers credibility for a lot of

00:03:06.660 people. I would think, oh my gosh, how could people say that? Because it's so widely regarded

00:03:11.960 as conspiracy, as conspiracy theory, that people might look at you funny and say, what are you doing?

00:03:18.240 Right. I know. I know. And it shouldn't be my really task to do this because I'm trained as a

00:03:24.460 philosopher. As you mentioned, I went to Christendom, got a philosophy and a political

00:03:29.700 science degree. I come from Connecticut, is my home. And then I went on to get a philosophy degree,

00:03:37.440 a PhD in philosophy from Fordham University in the Bronx. And so, and I went on to teach philosophy

00:03:45.260 in eight different institutions of higher learning on the East Coast, in the middle of the country,

00:03:51.840 and then lastly, Gonzaga, and then some secondary schools here. I'm not really the one,

00:03:59.700 probably to do this, but fate and the will of the Almighty seems to have put that on my shoulders

00:04:08.140 at the moment. And probably the thing that led me into this whole thought process and investigation

00:04:16.480 was my work with Father Gruner, Father Nicholas Gruner, over the course of 15 years. I mean,

00:04:23.680 always going throughout the world, speaking about Fatima, speaking about the children of Fatima,

00:04:29.900 the message of Fatima, especially the miracle of the sun, was so important to me and so present in my

00:04:38.560 life. But it was really tradition and actions, Marian Horvath's putting forward some pictures that she

00:04:48.640 had put together, comparing the pictures of earlier Sister Lucy and pictures that were from a later

00:04:58.020 person, later Sister Lucy. And then just looking at those and a number of years ago and saying,

00:05:05.420 there's something wrong here. There's something, it just doesn't look right. And maybe there's

00:05:11.580 something that's, there's something's wrong that we need to consider. And it was from there that

00:05:18.540 I asked around and I asked those, some of those who were involved with me with, with regard to the

00:05:26.000 Fatima Center, mostly Cornelia Ferreira and others. I asked, well, do you notice anything that's wrong?

00:05:33.580 And certainly there, they looked at it and they said, there's something there. There's something

00:05:39.660 that should be considered, but you need to prove it. If there's something wrong, you need to

00:05:44.580 to bring scientific evidence. You need to prove whether it's the true or the false, whether there's

00:05:52.760 the same woman or a different woman, where there's one Sister Lucy or two, you need to show it. And so I

00:06:01.160 took that in the year 2017, you know, the anniversary of the apparitions at Fatima, I took that onto my

00:06:09.640 myself. We, I really will, we'll do something about this. We'll, we'll investigate and find out what is the

00:06:17.760 situation. So we founded a tax exempt educational organization that was dedicated to figuring out what was

00:06:28.100 going on with Sister Lucy. Was it the same person? And what was, what were the details of her life? Or was there a

00:06:35.720 problem? And was there actually two Sister Lucy's that were presented to the public? And so we started

00:06:43.840 and I hired a private investigator. He did some work for us. And then we hired another private

00:06:51.200 investigator. But basically I've been the one to sort of coordinate all the various investigations

00:06:59.520 and reports that we've been getting because we wanted the best. My friends who helped me work on this. We said we

00:07:09.360 wanted the best. We want to prove it scientifically one way or another. Let's get the best in every profession to

00:07:17.580 look at the material. But first of all, we had to get the material. So we put together hundreds of images, not only

00:07:25.680 hundreds of images, but videos and also written texts that were written by Sister Lucy early on in the

00:07:34.500 twenties and the thirties from her diaries and also letters that she wrote, apparently, supposedly in the

00:07:42.660 sixties and up and through the eighties. And we had experts look at that material. And also, John, it's strange

00:07:52.940 because the internet provides so many problems in our world and so many temptations or negative

00:08:01.760 aspects. And yet, this was the moment where we can actually pursue such an investigation into the question of the

00:08:10.960 two Sister Lucy's because all that visual evidence can be looked at, analyzed, gathered, stored, and then presented in a very

00:08:22.600 concrete way to the public. So that's what we've been doing. We had to first gather up all the evidence, gather up every

00:08:30.600 picture that we could find, either from the internet, or from authorized biographies, or from the Fatima Shrine

00:08:38.600 official pictures of Sister Lucy, pictures from newspapers and magazines from 1967. And all that material, we were able to send

00:08:52.580 to facial recognition experts to facial recognition experts, at least five, we were able to present them to

00:08:58.740 forensic artists, to oral surgeons, to orthodontists and dentists, and also even a physicist and a statistician.

00:09:12.580 And so all these people, someone who, a doctor who specializes in lazy eye syndrome, all these various

00:09:20.580 experts, we found, we looked for the best in their profession, and we presented our material to them. And their

00:09:30.580 findings came in, and we were amazed at what they found.

00:09:36.580 What I find so fascinating about these experts is that this is their profession. These are folks who do this

00:09:44.500 mainly for the court systems. They are into investigations for the police, on murder cases, on missing persons

00:09:53.020 cases, on cases where they discover bodies, and they're trying to identify who they are. These are those experts,

00:10:00.400 the ones the courts use. And you actually got the top in those fields. That's what's so, you know,

00:10:09.280 what's so compelling because the story that you're telling seems very far-fetched. And so having these

00:10:19.120 experts who are so well-renowned is really quite something, but please go ahead.

00:10:26.000 And one of the things that we wanted to do was to present the evidence to people who

00:10:32.640 especially didn't know about Fatima, or didn't have any position on Sister Lucy one way or another,

00:10:39.200 or a religious position, a theological position, didn't necessarily, didn't have anything to do with

00:10:47.040 the Catholic Church in any way, presented this evidence to them, and to just look at the photographs,

00:10:55.840 look at the pictures, look at the handwriting samples, and what do you see? Do you find,

00:11:01.520 based on the aspect of the face, the person, the handwriting that you specialize in, that you're

00:11:09.920 an expert in, based on that evidence and based on your analysis, do you find one way or another? Is it

00:11:17.520 the same person or a different person? And also the facial recognition technology, which is beyond words

00:11:27.920 now. I mean, it's just so incredible. This is a machine, and that's, this is a machine

00:11:36.160 which analyzes pictures in a program that analyzes pictures. And that's actually the first report that we

00:11:42.640 got was from a facial recognition program. And I remember the day where my children, we were sort

00:11:49.760 of waiting, and just to see what would come. And we got that first result, where you had the picture of

00:11:58.640 the 1940, 46 Sister Lucy, and then the picture of the 1980s Sister Lucy, and it said, does not equal.

00:12:08.240 It's not the same person. So I remember the date very clearly. It was June 28, 2018. And so that was

00:12:18.800 the first bit of evidence. But in itself, one analysis, that's not enough. You need more,

00:12:25.840 and you need more than just machine analysis or program analysis. You need experts in their field.

00:12:33.520 And so that's what we got. And for example, you mentioned people of world-renowned. And a lady we

00:12:42.000 presented our work to was Lois Gibson, who is in the Guinness Book of World Records, actually. I think it

00:12:50.160 was in 2016. She's a forensic artist. And she was in the Guinness Book of World Records for identifying the

00:12:58.560 most criminals through her drawings and her facial reconstructions. She would reconstruct faces from

00:13:07.280 just a skull or parts of a skull. And besides being trained as a dentist, this world-renowned expert

00:13:17.360 did an analysis for us. And we actually asked her for two reports. The first one asked,

00:13:24.240 is it the same Sister Lucy prior to 1967, and then the 67, and then the post-67 Sister Lucy.

00:13:34.400 And initially, we grouped the 67 and post-67 Sister Lucy together, and then the pre-67 Sister Lucy.

00:13:45.440 And she said, it is impossible. And she said, it is impossible. She said in an email, we have it

00:13:50.240 posted. She said, it is impossible that these two women be the same person. And we were struck by that.

00:13:59.760 Now, just for clarity's sake, the 67 Sister Lucy or before, those are different? Or the post-67 and the

00:14:09.200 67 are the same? There's really three different phases of the pictures, if you will, because there's

00:14:17.120 a gap between some of the time periods. And we have pictures of Sister Lucy, of course, from the time

00:14:25.840 she was a child during the apparitions and after. And then the 1940s Sister Lucy, we have many pictures of

00:14:35.200 those. And all the way until the 50s, when she was a Carmelite. Up until the mid-50s, we have pictures of

00:14:45.840 Sister Lucy as a Dorothy and as a child and as a Carmelite. Then there's a gap. And then there's the

00:14:54.320 event, and we call it, I think, the C, the category of pictures, from May 13, 1967. And as you know,

00:15:05.520 that was the 50th anniversary of the apparition of Our Lady at Fatima. And there, Sister Lucy met with

00:15:15.520 Paul VI at Fatima, a very public event where she was in full display, brought forward, and actually

00:15:24.320 spoke with Paul VI, we know from newspaper accounts, for three minutes in total only. And so we have very

00:15:33.040 clear pictures of that event. And that was a fake Sister Lucy.

00:15:37.760 That was a fake Sister Lucy, yes. That was a fake Sister Lucy. We have, and if you check

00:15:43.920 our website, sisterlucytruth.org, you see that, that that's, we have separate pictures from that

00:15:51.360 event. Because it was just one day. And this was the first time that the person we now know as the

00:16:00.080 imposter Sister Lucy was brought forward. That event where she met with Paul VI. And then there's a gap

00:16:07.520 until the assassination attempt on John Paul II. And if you remember 1981. And then he, remember,

00:16:18.400 it was on May 13, 1981. He was driving in the Popemobile. He bent down to look at a girl who had a card,

00:16:30.000 a holy card of Our Lady of Fatima pinned to her dress. And he was shot. And he fell back. And

00:16:41.280 there was that assassination attempt. So then John Paul II went to see Sister Lucy, or the person that we

00:16:55.120 were led to believe was Sister Lucy, in 1982. And from then on, 1982, until she died in 2005,

00:17:06.880 we see presented to us a woman who we've verified through this scientific analysis that it's the same

00:17:17.920 woman as appeared in 1967. But it's not the same woman prior to 1967. It's a different woman. In fact,

00:17:29.200 with regard to that woman appeared in 1982, we asked Lois Gibson to look at the 67 Lucy and the 82 Lucy.

00:17:41.040 We asked her, because there's many theories that say, well, there was multiple Sister Lucys. And we asked

00:17:48.480 her to look at the pictures from 1967, analyze them, and then the post-1982 pictures. Are they the same

00:17:56.560 person, the same woman? And it was. But that woman is not the same as appeared prior to 1967.

00:18:06.480 So there was a single imposter we found. And this has played out in all the reports. We have one report,

00:18:14.800 a facial recognition report, which was neutral on the whole question, but said this is an area for

00:18:21.840 investigation, certainly. But all the other reports that have come to us have said that that woman who

00:18:28.720 appeared on May 13, 1967, is not the same woman that appeared after that, up until her death in 2005.

00:18:39.440 We're looking at a fraud that has been perpetrated on the Catholic people. And our task is to investigate, 0.87

00:18:48.320 well, as we've indicated, whether there was a fraud, and also an imposter, and what was the case?

00:18:58.880 Like, what happened? Who was this woman that appeared in 1967 and appeared after 2005? Who was she?

00:19:11.040 Where did she come from? And what happened to the real Sister Lucy? What happened? What happened to the 1.00

00:19:21.920 seer of Fatima, the woman charged by Our Lady and Our Lord to propagate the Fatima message? What happened to

00:19:29.680 her? And we're still in the middle of this investigation, so it's by no means complete. What we're satisfied with,

00:19:38.320 however, from all our reports, is that there was an imposter and that this is a case that must be

00:19:48.080 investigated as to the where and the why. We looked at video evidence. That's another great thing to look

00:19:55.360 at and that you have access to now because of the internet. We looked at, we even analyzed the voice

00:20:02.640 of the new Sister Lucy, and we asked Portuguese translators and experts where her accent comes from.

00:20:14.080 Like, where can she be placed? And they placed her accent in a place, Visu, which is about 100 miles north of

00:20:25.440 Fatima, north of Coimbra. And they know it's sort of a suburban accent. It's not a rural accent. And so we're

00:20:38.080 we're trying to narrow in on who this woman is and what her story is. But of course, the huge question is,

00:20:48.160 what happened to the real Sister Lucy? You know, the facial recognition technology was important,

00:20:56.720 but also, you know, the experts, the analyzing of the face, like the different foundational points of

00:21:03.680 the face of the face, like the measure between the bottom of the nose to the top of the lip,

00:21:10.080 the relation between the eyes, you know, the eyes and the eyebrows and all the various, the chin is so

00:21:18.400 important. And so many of the experts points to the point to the different chin construction. And in order to

00:21:27.600 say that this, this can't be the same woman, this is not just a matter of dentures, this is not just a 0.77

00:21:34.000 matter of changing teeth or pulling teeth. This is a skeletal difference. That's what they all say,

00:21:40.880 whether it's Dr. Mascara, who's a maxillofacial surgeon, or Dr. Garcia, the plastic surgeon,

00:21:50.080 they all say that it's a skeletal difference that we're focusing on that we have here in

00:21:57.440 front of us. And that can't change because of any kind of dentation or dentures or any kind of implants.

00:22:09.280 Because we do know, we do know that Sister Lucy had very bad teeth. If you look at her pictures from

00:22:17.200 the 40s, very bad teeth. And in 1948, all of her teeth were pulled out and she was given dentures. 0.68

00:22:25.440 Why they needed such drastic measures, I don't know. And it makes you wonder. She was given dentures. 0.89

00:22:35.840 So we asked, we presented that to the experts and says, does this affect your analysis in any way?

00:22:43.680 And they said, well, the fact that she has dentures, 0.99

00:22:47.440 dentures, and that the pictures progress as they do, shows that it indicates that there's less likely chances of the same woman. 1.00

00:23:00.640 In fact, it proves more so that it's not the same woman. The changes in her face would be the opposite if dentures were included. 0.94

00:23:11.360 So those who always bring up, well, she had dentures, well, she had dental work,

00:23:18.720 that points in the opposite direction, that there was actually two Sister Lucys.

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00:23:48.080 And now, back to the video.

00:23:50.960 You have handwriting analysis, you have the facial recognition, you have the analysis of the dental record,

00:23:59.100 and then the facial spacing and all that. It's fascinating stuff.

00:24:04.580 But there is also a difference in her own writings and her attitudes that is markedly different.

00:24:13.540 And I know that's not your specialization. I know that you're concentrating on the facts of the matter,

00:24:21.100 the physical facts and so on. But you've been around this for so long.

00:24:25.120 I'm sure you can tell us, what is it that is the other difference in terms of her attitude,

00:24:32.900 in terms of what she said about the Fatima secret and what she said about the need for consecration of Russia,

00:24:40.020 what she said about the need for the revelation of the secret.

00:24:44.380 The interview that was done with Carlos Evaristo, it was actually the same day in two different years.

00:24:51.860 October 11, 1992, the first meeting. And then October 11, 1993, the second meeting.

00:25:00.340 And there was various cardinals, bishops and clerics, priests there.

00:25:07.160 And so Carlos Evaristo was there and he was questioning her.

00:25:11.980 And you can see this. This is on the Internet. We have it up on our site and I've publicized it,

00:25:18.020 but it's on the Internet. Anyone can see it.

00:25:22.220 And what's amazing, and we presented this evidence, you know,

00:25:25.660 is this the same Sister Lucy? And it comes back to us, no, that this wasn't.

00:25:31.360 But of course, Russia has such a huge role in the whole Fatima secret, the whole Fatima revelation. 0.53

00:25:39.000 Our Lady said that she would come back and ask for the consecration of Russia 0.95

00:25:44.360 to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, which she did in 1929.

00:25:49.680 And she asked the popes to consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart with all the Catholic bishops of the world.

00:25:57.340 I mean, this is this is well known.

00:25:59.580 And Sister Lucy, now with the one we know is the authentic one, always was very demanding of the popes,

00:26:08.060 whether it's Pius XI or Pius XII.

00:26:13.000 Please encourage the Holy Father to consecrate Russia like Our Lady asked. 0.96

00:26:18.860 And Pius XII, as you know, consecrated Russia on his own by himself.

00:26:24.960 And not in union with the bishops of the world like was requested.

00:26:28.220 It wasn't done exactly as Our Lady had asked.

00:26:31.580 And Sister Lucy was always very demanding of the clergy within this regard. 0.88

00:26:38.860 You have to do it because Russia has to be converted. 0.97

00:26:42.240 Once Russia's converted. 0.84

00:26:44.620 And listen, John, when we hear conversion, a Catholic, and when we say conversion,

00:26:51.680 we know exactly what we mean.

00:26:53.860 We mean conversion to the true faith.

00:26:56.660 We mean conversion to the Catholic faith.

00:26:59.360 When that word came out of the mouth of Sister Lucy, we know exactly what she meant.

00:27:04.480 Because the whole Fatima message, confirmed by the miracle of the Son, was an affirmation of the Catholic faith.

00:27:11.980 That's what it was.

00:27:12.920 That's why there was a miracle.

00:27:15.100 And to affirm that, when this woman in 1993, she was asked,

00:27:23.040 what about the consecration of Russia and the conversion of Russia?

00:27:27.020 And is it a conversion to the Catholic faith?

00:27:29.540 And she said, no, that's not a conversion to the Catholic faith.

00:27:33.940 It's a conversion to a system.

00:27:37.640 And remember, this is just post-Soviet period.

00:27:41.020 So this is sort of in the air.

00:27:43.420 The U.S. wins the Cold War.

00:27:46.160 Apparently, supposedly, wins the Cold War.

00:27:49.500 So this is 93.

00:27:50.700 She says that it doesn't mean conversion to the Catholic faith.

00:27:55.720 What it means is conversion to a system which will allow people to choose the faith that they want,

00:28:04.620 to freely choose the faith that they want.

00:28:08.860 So in other words, the liberal system.

00:28:11.560 Well, that's not what the conversion of Russia meant.

00:28:15.180 That's not what the conversion of Russia meant.

00:28:17.680 I'm sorry.

00:28:18.280 It fits in with a certain Vatican II view, a certain liberal view of Dignitatis Humanae.

00:28:29.020 That's a view and a teaching.

00:28:32.780 But it doesn't fit in with what Sister Lucy was talking about way back when or what Our Lady was asking for.

00:28:40.060 And also what came up, not only that strange thing, but also what came up was that Sister Lucy didn't want the message released in 1960.

00:28:54.620 When the real Sister Lucy absolutely said that this secret, the third secret, must be released either in 19, when I die, or in 1960, whichever comes first.

00:29:11.860 How did that go?

00:29:12.680 Where did she say she didn't want it released?

00:29:15.160 In the same interview.

00:29:16.740 So this is the October 11th?

00:29:19.500 1993 in the Carlos Evaristo interview.

00:29:23.400 Yeah, and she also said at that point that the message was solely for the Holy Father, okay, which had never been said by Sister Lucy before.

00:29:36.040 The message was for the whole church and the whole world, really.

00:29:40.160 It wasn't just for one person.

00:29:41.940 It was for the whole church and the whole world.

00:29:44.460 So a shocking contradiction in what she had stated earlier.

00:29:53.300 And so many things expressed, speaking of the Jews, as still being the chosen people of God.

00:30:00.800 And coming from this mentality of that they have their own specific covenant that is still valid, and there's no need to convert.

00:30:12.640 That was said by Sister Lucy.

00:30:15.260 That they were still the chosen people of God, yes.

00:30:18.180 The real Sister Lucy never spoke about the Jews, I mean, as specifically a topic before.

00:30:24.160 This is stunning.

00:30:25.520 So out of this interview, you see Sister Lucy, the so-called Sister Lucy, and the forensic evidence seems to suggest conclusively that it is a false Sister Lucy.

00:30:37.540 But definitely what is being said there is false, because Sister Lucy was very clear about the need for Russia to be consecrated, because she had already told previous popes, nope, not good enough.

00:30:50.640 Sorry, it didn't work, because you didn't mention Russia.

00:30:52.840 Sorry, it didn't work, because you didn't include all the bishops of the world.

00:30:56.700 She didn't emphasize that Russia had to be named by name, because that's what the entity, the state entity that was being consecrated.

00:31:05.860 For example, John Paul II didn't mention Russia specifically, and yet she's going to say that that consecration was valid, and that consecration was sufficient for, and Our Lady was pleased with it, and that was sufficient for the consecration that she asked.

00:31:25.800 It's shocking, because it contradicts everything the previous Sister Lucy had said.

00:31:32.180 And to another interesting point that we've run into, it was an interview given to the Wanderer by Dr. Zuggaby.

00:31:43.900 You might have heard of him, Dr. Zuggaby.

00:31:46.320 And it was an interview given to the Wanderer, and he talks about that interview of Carlos Evaristo with the supposed Sister Lucy.

00:31:57.100 And he says that Carlos Evaristo was so shocked by what he encountered in that interview that he actually went to the Portuguese police and said, can you investigate this?

00:32:16.180 This is not Sister Lucy.

00:32:17.820 He recognized that this isn't the same woman that we all know has been purported to be the seer of Fatima.

00:32:29.320 This is not the same woman.

00:32:30.640 There's a problem.

00:32:31.840 So he went to the police.

00:32:33.300 The Portuguese police sent him to Dr. Zuggaby in the United States.

00:32:39.320 And Dr. Zuggaby assured Carlos Evaristo, oh, it's the same woman, based on no real evidential investigation.

00:32:52.200 And so it's interesting that way back then, someone who was sort of committed to this new Sister Lucy recognized that it wasn't her and actually went to the police and said, do you know that there's this problem?

00:33:06.380 The actual difference in what she's saying, the stark, stark difference from the pre-1967 Sister Lucy, who was so insistent with the popes to consecrate Russia, they tried it, didn't do it by name, so have to do it again.

00:33:23.140 And then you have the same Sister Lucy from back then, insisting that the secret be revealed, that Russia be converted, meaning to the one true faith.

00:33:33.200 And yet now the story's completely changed in the post-1967 Sister Lucy to stuff that doesn't even make sense from a Catholic perspective, especially about the conversion of the Jews.

00:33:46.260 That makes it impossible from the intellectual understanding of who Sister Lucy was.

00:33:51.400 But people might have said, well, maybe she just lost her mind. 0.99

00:33:55.020 Or maybe she's convinced otherwise.

00:33:56.640 Except for someone so saintly, you'd think, oh, that might be weird.

00:34:00.460 But then your evidence brings in this from every means possible sort of conclusions from forensic experts who are used in the courts themselves.

00:34:09.840 A world record winner for being able to identify most of them.

00:34:13.940 It's just incredible.

00:34:15.020 What an incredible story of possible Vatican cover-up in an age where cover-up in the Vatican is a massive story.

00:34:25.200 In your story, I mean, God bless you for this evidence which you've dug up, and it really does need to be told.

00:34:33.420 Where can people go for more information to learn more about what you do and what you've found?

00:34:37.720 It's all together.

00:34:39.160 We've published everything that we commissioned, as is, as they produced it, the experts.

00:34:45.660 It's sisterlucytruth.org.

00:34:47.940 All the evidence is there, and more than I've even mentioned, you know, we have three-dimensional reconstructions,

00:34:55.840 sculptural reconstructions that artists and intellectuals have done from the pictures of the Sister Lucy

00:35:04.060 to show that one has a convex face and one has a concave face.

00:35:09.920 And there's so much different evidence that we present, and also the linguistic evidence.

00:35:16.700 The videos that are out there from the new Sister Lucy, we've translated the Portuguese conversations,

00:35:25.080 and they're very strange.

00:35:27.260 I mean, it's very strange.

00:35:28.880 We would not expect a saintly woman to be saying these things in these circumstances. 1.00

00:35:36.380 So we've had it all translated, and we've put it up.

00:35:39.840 And also, I think people would be interested, as we move ahead with this investigation,

00:35:45.240 into who the imposter was.

00:35:48.340 We have an analysis of her accent, the accent of the new Sister Lucy,

00:35:54.360 and where that puts her on the map of Portugal, with regard to all the dialects and idioms that are used.

00:36:03.320 So that's a fascinating aspect, too, because we're moving forward.

00:36:07.460 We're not, you know, we're not sitting still.

00:36:10.260 We have also this mathematical analysis of the various parts of her face

00:36:16.320 and working with various, you know, orthodontists and facial recognition people

00:36:23.380 and maxillofacial surgeons, ophthalmologists,

00:36:27.380 a mathematical analysis of the faces of Sister Lucy.

00:36:31.440 And we find that there's an incredible, stark difference between their faces.

00:36:38.980 And it's mathematical.

00:36:40.720 Math doesn't lie.

00:36:42.580 And that's what we started looking for in the beginning, scientific evidence.

00:36:47.640 I didn't want to make it dependent on any theological view or any doctrinal situation.

00:36:54.740 I wanted to base it on empirical science.

00:36:57.760 And that's what we found.

00:37:00.180 And that's what we present at our website.

00:37:03.580 Dr. Hoinevsky, thank you so much for joining us here on the John Henry Weston Show.

00:37:08.640 And I pray a lot of people recognize what you found

00:37:12.080 and really what is so startling about what you found

00:37:14.800 and how it seems to fit with all the other evidence that's out there.

00:37:19.380 But God bless you and your work.

00:37:21.480 Thank you.

00:37:22.100 Thank you for the interview.

00:37:23.500 And God bless all of you.

00:37:25.320 We'll see you next time.

00:37:27.760 Hi, everyone.

00:37:29.180 This is John Henry Weston.

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The John-Henry Westen Show - December 06, 2022

NEW Forensic Files expose FAKE Sr. Lucy of Fatima？

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