The John-Henry Westen Show - NEW PRO-LIFE MOVIE： Abby Johnson discusses ＂Unthinkable＂, reveals the next pro-life phenomenon

00:00:00.000 We have a worker who had a gun pointed at her head the day that she left her abortion

00:00:07.340 clinic, and it was the owner's son who pointed a gun to her head and said, if you ever talk 0.99

00:00:14.020 about the things you've seen here, I will come back and blow your brains out. 0.99

00:00:18.200 You know what? 0.97

00:00:18.720 Let's just talk about it.

00:00:19.920 I mean, let's talk about what the abortion industry is really like.

00:00:26.860 I am so pleased to bring you our next guest.

00:00:30.000 She is very familiar to all of you.

00:00:32.160 In fact, to anyone in the pro-life movement, she is one of the best known figures.

00:00:36.060 Her name is Abby Johnson.

00:00:37.900 Abby was with me at the Catholic Identity Conference, and she's been around everywhere.

00:00:44.260 She is so straightforward, so pull no punches, because she's been there.

00:00:50.920 She's been on the other side.

00:00:52.860 And I think people who have been on the other side, because they know what life is like on

00:00:58.680 the other side, when they come to the truth, and in Abby's case, when she comes to the fullness

00:01:03.400 of truth, you have an amazing warrior for truth like none other.

00:01:08.720 This is the John Henry Weston Show.

00:01:11.420 Stay tuned.

00:01:12.300 Abby Johnson, so good to be with you.

00:01:40.720 Thank you.

00:01:41.820 Thanks so much for having me.

00:01:43.220 Let's begin, as we always do, with the sign of the cross.

00:01:45.080 In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.

00:01:49.200 Amen.

00:01:49.980 We were together at the Catholic Identity Conference, and the title of your talk there

00:01:55.940 was truly shocking.

00:01:57.300 It was, Vatican Disappearing Act is the Pope Pro-Life.

00:02:01.680 So, because I also don't like to beat around the bush, why don't we start with that?

00:02:07.660 Give us a little synopsis of what that was about.

00:02:10.400 We see a lot of confusion in the Vatican.

00:02:14.100 We see the Pope offering an audience and discussions with people like Chelsea Clinton.

00:02:22.400 We see the Vatican now appointing two pro-abortion members, one person that's heading now the

00:02:33.780 Pontifical Academy of Life.

00:02:35.820 You know, something that was instituted by St. Pope John Paul II.

00:02:40.880 And that was specifically something that was supposed to discuss pro-life issues.

00:02:47.680 When that was originally created, every single member had to sign a document, a statement,

00:02:56.400 that said they were pro-life.

00:03:00.400 And now the Pope, Pope Francis, has eliminated that statement.

00:03:05.900 The current head of that academy has on her social media accounts, all kinds of statements

00:03:14.640 opposing the overturn of Roe v. Wade.

00:03:18.660 She has statements saying that she is for abortion.

00:03:22.720 And this is who he has appointed to head this group that was instituted by JP2 to be a pro-life

00:03:32.100 association.

00:03:33.180 And, you know, also the, the Pope has invited Joe Biden to have an audience with him, has

00:03:42.780 invited Nancy Pelosi to have an audience with him.

00:03:48.260 What we believe to be true is that he has given the whole Eucharist to both of them after,

00:03:56.920 you know, Archbishop Corleone, Nancy Pelosi's archbishop said.

00:04:03.180 She is not to receive communion.

00:04:05.680 The Pope flat out said, don't care.

00:04:08.900 She's getting it anyway.

00:04:09.980 These are two people who are outspokenly in favor of abortion through all nine months of

00:04:15.460 pregnancy.

00:04:16.720 The Pope is going against our own beliefs and teachings in the Catholic Church.

00:04:22.500 And, you know, do I believe that the, that Pope Francis thinks abortion is wrong?

00:04:29.320 Of course, he has said things to let us believe that he, you know, has, has equated, equated

00:04:37.480 hiring an abortion provider to hiring a hit man.

00:04:41.680 So do I, I believe that, that he thinks abortion is wrong?

00:04:44.920 Yes, I do believe that, but he has also led us to believe that, that he believes that climate

00:04:54.040 change is as an important issue as killing our pre-born children in the womb and makes 0.94

00:05:02.620 more statements regarding climate change than he does killing pre-born children.

00:05:08.380 He makes it very clear that stopping abortion is not a priority for him, but, you know, being

00:05:18.660 concerned about the climate is an issue for him, is a priority issue for him.

00:05:23.660 It's very concerning as Catholics.

00:05:27.000 It's very confusing, confusing as Catholics. 0.98

00:05:30.040 It's confusing for people all around the world who are looking to the Catholic Church for

00:05:34.960 clarification.

00:05:35.460 He made virtually no statement when Roe was overturned of the, you know, I, I believe one

00:05:44.280 of, um, the biggest victories in, in the world regarding abortion rights and the pro-life

00:05:51.640 movement, he made pretty much, didn't say a peep about it.

00:05:55.700 And I think that that speaks to the priority, his priority surrounding the pro-life issue.

00:06:03.380 And I think that he is a person who has so greatly watered down the pro-life movement with everything

00:06:11.400 else under the sun, which unfortunately is what we see a lot of Catholics do. 0.99

00:06:17.200 The pro-life movement is, and always has been, and always should be laser focused on ending

00:06:23.520 abortion.

00:06:25.520 And unfortunately, there are many Catholics who like to throw in every other social justice, 1.00

00:06:32.740 social justice movement into the pro-life movement.

00:06:37.220 And the Pope is one of them, you know, equating the slaughter of the pre-born with immigration 1.00

00:06:43.000 issues.

00:06:44.520 You know, everything else you can think of falls into the pro-life movement.

00:06:50.040 And that is simply untrue.

00:06:51.620 It's intellectually dishonest.

00:06:54.020 It really hurts what we're trying to do when it comes to protecting our most vulnerable.

00:06:59.520 One of the things that is unique about you is that you did walk on the other side.

00:07:05.000 You, as most people know, your story was living on the other side, running Planned Parenthood

00:07:13.060 Clinic.

00:07:13.500 The shocking thing for many people is that many people think of the pro-life movement as, well,

00:07:19.440 all they care about is the babies anyway. 1.00

00:07:21.700 Once people are post-birth, they don't give a darn about you.

00:07:24.540 Why don't you speak for a moment just to your experience of coming from the other side and

00:07:32.020 how you were received by the pro-life movement?

00:07:35.620 Was it with disdain or we don't want to talk to you because you were, you did these horrible

00:07:40.380 things.

00:07:40.840 What was it like?

00:07:41.920 You know, I went to the pro-life movement.

00:07:44.020 I didn't have to, I guess.

00:07:45.940 I could have just, you know, sort of slinked away into a corner and said, you know, I don't

00:07:53.400 want to have anything to do with these people.

00:07:55.400 I just want to go get another job.

00:07:56.960 And actually that was my intention.

00:07:59.860 What I wanted to do was just reach out to the pro-life movement, this group of people

00:08:03.640 who had said, you know, we're willing to help you find another job if you ever want to leave.

00:08:07.440 And I thought I do need to take them up on their offer because I, you know, sort of said

00:08:13.420 I was the most hated local celebrity in town.

00:08:16.900 I lived in a very conservative community and was in the media a lot for being the Planned

00:08:22.360 Parenthood director and everybody in town was pro-life.

00:08:25.960 And so I thought I'm going to need some help if I, if I want to get a job around here.

00:08:31.200 And, and so I thought they can vouch for me, right?

00:08:34.200 They they'll know me and they'll know about my change of heart.

00:08:37.560 And so they can help me get another job.

00:08:40.780 And I thought I wanted to stay kind of maybe in the medical field or I, you know, I'm a

00:08:48.240 therapist.

00:08:48.600 And so maybe I want to use my, my actual degree, my, my education.

00:08:54.060 And so maybe they can help me in that field as well.

00:08:57.640 And I never intended on telling my story publicly, but I knew that I was going to need some friends

00:09:03.780 and they had always opened their arms to me.

00:09:07.640 And I was the one that had bucked them.

00:09:10.200 You know, I was the one that had said, don't talk to me.

00:09:12.560 I don't want anything to do with you.

00:09:14.540 And, and so they were the ones that befriended me and it was, you know, all of my tolerant,

00:09:20.900 liberal best friends that were inside of the abortion industry.

00:09:25.000 They were the ones that shut the door to me.

00:09:28.720 In fact, when Planned Parenthood sued me and tried to get a permanent gag order against me,

00:09:33.380 it was those liberal best friends of mine that actually took the stand and lied.

00:09:41.800 And it was later proven in the court case that they were lying.

00:09:46.800 And that's why the, that's why the case was thrown out.

00:09:49.720 But it was all of these people who were supposedly so tolerant that turned against me when my beliefs

00:09:56.320 didn't match up with them.

00:09:57.580 And I can tell you, John Henry, that, you know, when I, when I originally left,

00:10:05.940 it wasn't that I was, you know, conservative on all of these issues,

00:10:10.640 except that I was pro, pro choice.

00:10:14.060 Right.

00:10:14.480 I was extremely left.

00:10:17.980 I mean, I was dang near a socialist on, you know, on many issues, but then I'd had this,

00:10:24.520 you know, conversion to being pro-life.

00:10:26.420 And I can't even say that I was, I wasn't even totally pro-life.

00:10:30.340 I mean, I just sort of was like, I know that I don't want to be a part of abortion anymore.

00:10:36.220 I hadn't even really made up my mind on what I thought about abortion in all situations or

00:10:41.760 any situation.

00:10:42.640 You know, I just knew I didn't want to have my hand in it.

00:10:45.760 And these people were so kind.

00:10:47.800 I certainly was still a believer in, in gay marriage.

00:10:51.380 I was still a believer in fully a believer in contraception.

00:10:55.180 I had my, I had an IUD and still, I believed in contraception.

00:10:59.940 I believed in gay marriage.

00:11:01.220 I believed in all of these other things, sex education in schools.

00:11:04.580 I, I still had all of these very liberal beliefs.

00:11:08.880 I still consider myself a Democrat.

00:11:10.440 I, I still had all of these very, you know, liberal held beliefs, but I just didn't like

00:11:16.960 abortion anymore.

00:11:18.720 And, and even then they still loved me.

00:11:21.440 They became my friends.

00:11:22.700 They, you know, opened their homes to me.

00:11:24.880 We hung out together.

00:11:25.960 We went to dinner together.

00:11:26.980 They loved me, even though I had all of these other beliefs that were very contradictory,

00:11:33.580 very contrary to what they believed.

00:11:36.580 And, and even contradictory, right?

00:11:39.820 To what I said I was believing.

00:11:41.440 And I was still working all of this out, right?

00:11:44.240 But they were still just there and loving me and just gently guiding me.

00:11:49.180 And when my faith community, we were Episcopalian and my faith community turned their back on

00:11:54.060 me.

00:11:54.280 My faith community said, well, if you're publicly pro-life, you can't be Episcopal anymore.

00:11:59.240 And all my friends turned their back on me.

00:12:01.680 And my whole world was upside down.

00:12:03.560 And these people who I believed to be my enemy for eight years, they were the ones that were

00:12:07.680 there for me.

00:12:08.700 That witness of yours is so powerful.

00:12:10.940 It's how you've brought in another ministry that you, you run the, the, and then there

00:12:16.600 were none, so many workers in the abortion industry out because your witness is so powerful.

00:12:22.820 It tells the truth when it's so, so, so hidden.

00:12:26.700 Yeah.

00:12:26.960 We've helped 630 abortion workers leave their jobs and, you know, yes, we help them get new

00:12:34.360 jobs.

00:12:35.000 Yes.

00:12:35.460 You know, all of that is true.

00:12:36.700 But really the victory for us is helping them come into relationship or get back into relationship

00:12:45.700 with Christ.

00:12:47.140 That's really the victory.

00:12:49.200 And because it's not just about a job, it's, it's so much more than that.

00:12:54.680 And, and that's what we do.

00:12:57.040 We don't really consider it a victory.

00:12:58.840 We don't really count that number unless, unless that's, that's the end goal.

00:13:03.960 That's the, that's the final result.

00:13:06.700 And it's really amazing.

00:13:08.600 And I have to tell you, for those that have some sort of, of childhood faith foundation,

00:13:13.700 the bulk of them are fallen away Catholics.

00:13:18.520 And so getting them back into the sacraments, it's really, it's, it's like witnessing a

00:13:27.780 miracle and it completely changes their life.

00:13:32.340 And it's such a beautiful thing.

00:13:36.800 And, and really, I have to tell you the story.

00:13:39.740 We had a woman who, I won't use her name, but she was a fallen away Catholic. 0.97

00:13:46.420 She had worked in the industry and we have these healing retreats for our former workers.

00:13:54.700 And it's a different, they have different phases.

00:13:57.220 So our phase one retreats are the first, the first time they've ever come on a healing retreat with us.

00:14:02.980 And our retreats are run by therapists.

00:14:07.420 So they're typically run by me and another therapist.

00:14:11.140 And I'm Catholic.

00:14:11.700 And the other therapist is, is a Protestant.

00:14:13.940 And this woman came and she'd worked at a Planned Parenthood abortion facility. 1.00

00:14:22.100 And she had been inside of a psychiatric hospital since working in a Planned Parenthood,

00:14:30.340 had suffered greatly with her mental health, which is not surprising.

00:14:38.200 After working in an abortion facility and doing some of the things that she had done. 1.00

00:14:41.960 And she had not been to confession in, in years.

00:14:49.500 And so we have this healing retreat and she said to me, Abby, do you think there's any way

00:14:55.820 after the first day, she said, do you think there's any way that you could, you could get

00:15:00.600 me to confession?

00:15:02.200 And she said, I really want to go.

00:15:05.100 And I said, oh, I, I bet I, I bet I could find a priest that would hear your confession.

00:15:10.520 So I called a friend of mine who lives down the road in our community.

00:15:17.700 And I said, Father Brian, I said, is there any way, this is a Saturday.

00:15:22.660 And I said, is there any way that you could hear one of our clients' confessions?

00:15:27.440 And he said, absolutely.

00:15:29.380 He said, when could you be up at the church?

00:15:30.960 So we met him up there and I didn't actually go.

00:15:35.400 I stayed back with the other women. 1.00

00:15:38.600 I was helping them.

00:15:39.960 And the other, the Protestant therapist, Amanda, actually took this woman up to the, up to the 0.90

00:15:45.620 Catholic church and met.

00:15:47.300 Now, this woman had, she was an older lady. 1.00

00:15:51.740 And she was just very sort of, sort of withdrawn, you know, even just her posture was sort of

00:16:00.180 inward and, and even her coloring, it's sort of hard to describe, but her coloring was almost

00:16:07.380 sort of ashen, just sort of like, you know, just not a lot of color there, not a lot of

00:16:12.400 pink in her face, you know, just a woman. 1.00

00:16:16.400 She just looked very troubled.

00:16:18.580 And so my, my friend, Amanda takes her and she sits down with Father Brian and they have

00:16:25.160 a really long, great confession.

00:16:28.040 She comes out, she comes back to the house and she looked like a different woman.

00:16:34.960 I mean, physically, she looked different.

00:16:40.040 Her shoulders were opened up.

00:16:42.120 She wasn't, you know, drawn in anymore.

00:16:44.780 Her, you know, her chest was open.

00:16:46.620 Her shoulders were opened up and her face was a different color.

00:16:50.620 Her face was like pink.

00:16:52.520 It wasn't this gray, like ashen color anymore.

00:16:55.040 It was pink.

00:16:56.080 She had pink in her face and her cheeks, her eyes, her eyes were brighter.

00:17:00.940 And so my Protestant friend, Amanda, she said, I have you, I've never seen anything like

00:17:05.900 this before.

00:17:07.100 She said, she went in, she went into the chapel and she came out and she physically looked

00:17:12.120 different.

00:17:12.600 It was like a different woman that, that walked in and came out. 0.97

00:17:17.240 And I said, well, yeah, I said, that's, I mean, that's power of confession, right?

00:17:22.160 And this, and our therapist, Amanda, or this Protestant therapist, she's a pastor's wife.

00:17:27.400 And she said, I just, I, she said, Abby, there, there's something about that confession.

00:17:32.820 I said, yeah, there is something about that confession.

00:17:35.860 And so being able to, to help these, these former workers who are fallen away Catholics,

00:17:42.680 getting back into the sacraments, getting reconnected with, with the Eucharist, getting

00:17:47.400 reconnected with these Holy Sacraments is such an amazing miracle.

00:17:51.420 And we're able to do that.

00:17:53.760 We've been able to do it hundreds of times.

00:17:55.880 It's just really, it's a, it's a beautiful thing.

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00:18:23.620 And now back to the video.

00:18:25.020 Your life story, at least the first part of it, has been already told in, in your books,

00:18:32.740 in a film even, but you're doing another film or, or it's, another film is being done on

00:18:38.520 sort of the continuation of Abby's story from your sort of conversion out of the, the pro

00:18:45.800 abortion movement and then on and on, because to me, the, the secondary part is so, so, so

00:18:53.580 beautiful. First of all, tell us about the new film and what's going on with it. And when

00:18:59.540 you're listening to this folks, please know that we have a life funder, which is LifeSite's

00:19:04.100 own GoFundMe alternative because GoFundMe doesn't allow really, really good fundraisers,

00:19:08.280 crowd funders. So we have a life funder for this new Abby Johnson film called Unthinkable.

00:19:13.800 All the time, pro abortion people will say, I'll tell my story about my facility, what

00:19:18.980 happened inside of that Planned Parenthood. And they'll say, well, that's just what happened

00:19:23.800 at your clinic. That's just what happened at, you know, your Planned Parenthood. That's

00:19:29.600 not every Planned Parenthood. That's not what happens in the abortion industry, you know,

00:19:34.580 by and large, that's just that yours was like a one-off. Right. And I'm like, okay, not really,

00:19:43.160 but you know, okay, you can, you can believe that. Right. And, and I'll say, you know, but

00:19:49.120 that's not true. We have, you know, six, over 600 former abortion workers that have the same

00:19:53.740 story. And they're like, well, where are they? Why aren't they taught? Where are they? And there

00:19:58.060 are many that, that do speak out. We have many who share their story now, but that got me thinking,

00:20:06.540 you know, we do need to tell their stories in a, a documentary sort of a film. And so I started

00:20:16.340 talking to documentarians. I don't, I don't really know anything about doing a documentary. So I started

00:20:21.480 talking to documentarians and started sort of pitching this idea, you know, what if we really

00:20:29.680 exposed the underbelly of the abortion industry? And what if we started telling our stories and

00:20:39.920 maybe you're wrong, you know, maybe, maybe mine is just a one-off, right? But let's find out.

00:20:45.540 Let's go talk to dozens and dozens of other former Planned Parenthood employees and private

00:20:53.940 abortion facility employees. Let's hear their stories. Let's, let's hear about what it was like

00:21:00.640 working in the abortion clinic. Let's hear about how women were treated. You know, let's hear about

00:21:07.420 the corporate practices, the systemic practices inside of the industry. And let's see how bad it really

00:21:15.480 is, or let's see how good it is. Right. And so that's what we've done. So we gathered dozens and

00:21:24.580 dozens of former abortion workers, some directors, some nurses, we're talking to doctors, former abortion

00:21:32.740 doctors, and we're just, we've gathered them all together and we are sharing stories. We are talking

00:21:42.700 about what happens inside of the abortion clinic. We're talking about the psychological ramifications

00:21:50.320 of working in an abortion clinic. Those have never been studied before. We're finally studying them.

00:21:58.360 You know, what, what brings someone to work inside of an abortion clinic? We're talking about the 0.58

00:22:05.660 brainwashing that takes place while you're working inside of an abortion clinic. We're talking about what

00:22:11.640 it's like to leave an abortion clinic. You know, we have a worker who had a gun pointed at her head 0.97

00:22:20.200 the day that she left her abortion clinic. And it was the owner's son who pointed a gun to her head

00:22:28.260 and said, if you ever talk about the things you've seen here, I will come back and blow your brains out. 0.74

00:22:33.520 We're, you know, we're talking about, you know, other, other people who, workers who have worked in the

00:22:42.840 industry, whose coworkers overdosed on fentanyl that they were, that they got from inside the clinic,

00:22:50.480 overdose on fentanyl because of things that they saw in the clinic, narcotics abuses, alcoholism,

00:22:59.300 drug abuse, the ways that people cope because of the things that they have seen in the clinic. Workers that

00:23:07.640 have witnessed women dying on clinic tables, not calling ambulances. I mean, you know what, let's just talk

00:23:16.380 about it. I mean, let's talk about what the abortion industry is really like. You know, let's talk about this

00:23:24.480 supposed healthcare that women are receiving inside of the abortion clinics. And let's just be really

00:23:33.440 honest about it. Everybody needs to see this film. If you are going to support abortion, you need to know 0.98

00:23:41.560 exactly what you are supporting. And you can argue with one person. Somebody can argue with me and say,

00:23:48.900 you know what, that is just your story. But how can you argue with 50 to 100 abortion workers appearing

00:23:56.940 in a documentary and saying, these are people who don't really know each other, right? They've just

00:24:02.180 shown up to tell their stories. And when we all have the same sort of story and we've all worked for the

00:24:10.100 same industry, how can you look at all of us and say, no, that was just a one-off. No, that was just a

00:24:18.220 one-off. That was just a one-off. When there's only 800 abortion facilities in the country and we

00:24:23.440 represent 100 of them just in this documentary. How can you say that's just a coincidence? It's not

00:24:28.880 a coincidence. Then you're talking about a systemic problem. We talk about it as reproductive health

00:24:34.660 care. And the doctors that show up to promote it are all in white lab coats like every other doctor.

00:24:41.620 We have to realize this is a killing industry. And it's very hard to link that up with the reality

00:24:49.680 when it's all shielded and hidden and talked about under euphemisms and called women's rights and 0.95

00:24:55.860 everything else. But it's from those who've been on the other side and can show us, as you have,

00:25:02.120 the glimpse from the inside that really the reality hits and it begins to strike people.

00:25:08.360 And God willing, we'll one day make abortion unthinkable. 0.98

00:25:13.040 I want to talk to you also, Abby, about something that is so beautiful. When you came to the truth,

00:25:19.820 you came to the fullness of the truth. You entered the Catholic Church as well. And you didn't stop in

00:25:24.880 your pursuit of truth. I think there's a lot of people because there's a lot of parts of Catholicism

00:25:28.680 that are challenging, then more challenging. So in the issue of life, one of the most challenging

00:25:34.900 things is the Church's teaching on contraception. Very few people talk about it and probably even

00:25:41.440 fewer live it out because it's a challenge. When you embraced life, you got rid of the

00:25:49.500 contraception that you were on and you actually did. You were young enough and you have a whole

00:25:54.420 bunch of children now. As beautiful as that is, it's still a challenge. Tell us about your

00:26:00.520 thoughts on contraception and what you would tell women and men now about it.

00:26:06.100 I started contraception at a very young age without my parents even knowing about it.

00:26:11.700 It's just, you know, sort of the thing to do, I guess. My friends just went to, you know,

00:26:17.320 the community clinic and got birth control. And so I said, okay, well, I guess I'll do that too.

00:26:22.060 We weren't educated on how to take it. We weren't educated on, you know, what it did to your body.

00:26:27.320 It just, you just got it in a brown paper bag and went home and started taking it. You know,

00:26:33.060 we didn't know that it would, you know, it could increase our risk of heart disease, breast cancer,

00:26:38.240 stroke, you know, bone density loss. We didn't know all of these things, but that's what society said

00:26:45.320 that you did. You got young, you know, you were young. If you had some pimples on your face,

00:26:50.880 you took birth control. If you had a regular period, you took birth control. If you had headaches,

00:26:54.860 you took birth control, you know, it's, it's like the one, one solution pill for women when it's 0.93

00:27:03.720 really not a solution at all. It's breaking something that's working perfectly, perfectly fine.

00:27:09.680 And there's no other, there's no other pill. There's no other medication in the world

00:27:21.460 that we give to someone to break something when it's working fine. But we do that with contraception

00:27:29.800 and women. So, you know, there's thousands of women who walk into doctor's offices every day 1.00

00:27:35.940 and they say, you know, doctor, my fertility is working so good. I want you to give me a pill

00:27:44.800 to make it not work anymore. And that's absurd. And not only will it break your fertility temporarily,

00:27:51.380 it can break it permanently. And not only that, but as pro-lifers, we should all have an issue with

00:28:02.180 contraception because when you begin to learn about contraception, you realize that there is

00:28:09.860 potential to actually take life with hormonal contraception. And so that's something that I

00:28:16.500 think is very challenging for the pro-life movement, because I think the pro-life movement,

00:28:22.820 a lot of people don't know that. And then when they do know that they want to pretend they don't know

00:28:28.680 that because they don't want to change their lifestyle and they don't want to be uncomfortable.

00:28:39.760 And, you know, but the reality is that every single form of hormonal contraception,

00:28:45.440 every single form of hormonal contraception has the ability to take a fertilized egg. So a newly

00:28:56.000 created human being, it has the ability to, that this is the backup form. This is the backup way

00:29:03.460 that hormonal contraception works. If it doesn't prevent ovulation, then the backup way that hormonal

00:29:10.540 contraception works is that it takes this newly created human being. It creates a hostile uterine 0.99

00:29:17.280 environment so that that newly created human being will not be able to implant and attach to the uterine

00:29:22.420 wall. Therefore, you have a spontaneous abortion or a miscarriage. And you have intentionally done

00:29:29.520 something to your body so that that cannot happen. And that's why it's considered an abortion and

00:29:34.320 abortifation. If we believe as pro-lifers that life begins at conception, which we all do, then we should

00:29:41.980 have a problem with contraception because that's what contraception is. It's against conception.

00:29:51.500 It is a challenge for a lot of people. It's a challenge for a lot of Catholics. One of the 0.98

00:29:56.880 reasons it's a challenge for a lot of Catholics is because the Catholic church isn't teaching on it

00:30:01.480 like they should. Priests are not teaching on it like they should. And we're not even teaching on

00:30:09.120 abortion like we should. So we're certainly not teaching on contraception like we should.

00:30:13.380 There's a lot of people that talk about, you know, infertility is a cross and infertility is a cross

00:30:19.240 to bear. It's a heavy cross to bear. My husband and I, after I had my IUD removed, we actually

00:30:24.560 struggled with some fertility for two years. And so nobody believes me because now we have eight

00:30:30.320 children and they're like, there's no way you struggle with infertility. But we did.

00:30:34.860 We did for two years. And I understand the longing for a child. I do. This ability to get pregnant 1.00

00:30:41.300 every time the wind blows is also a cross to bear. And, and so, you know, having a large family is

00:30:51.460 also a cross to bear. And we all have crosses to bear in our lives, whether it's, you know, not having

00:31:00.640 children, whether it's having many, many children. But, you know, God gives us the grace and the tools

00:31:07.640 that we need to bear those crosses. And sometimes we have those crosses so that we can lean into him

00:31:13.820 even more so that we can depend on him in an even greater way. And that's what, you know,

00:31:20.880 Doug and I have realized. We are so grateful. We're so blessed with all the children that we do have.

00:31:27.220 But I can tell you that all of these children that we do have have fostered an even greater dependence

00:31:33.280 on the Lord in many days. So, so, you know, I think that, but, but I, you know, Doug always says

00:31:46.260 when I was actually in mass, we were just started the RCIA process. And I was one of those very,

00:31:56.320 very stubborn RCIA attendees. And I had just decided that I would be a Catholic who contraceptives 0.92

00:32:08.220 because I was never going to be one of those people who didn't support contraception. And I

00:32:16.300 wasn't because God does nothing subtly in my life. And I was sitting in mass one day and I was sitting

00:32:24.620 behind this woman with her, with her new, newly born child. And it was like, God smacked me over the

00:32:35.440 head with a board. In that instant, he said to me, go get your IUD taken out. And I was like, what?

00:32:46.000 And I was like, really? And so I just felt this desire to have more children, a desire I had never

00:32:57.060 had before. Not even when I had my daughter, Grace. And I just had all of a sudden in my heart,

00:33:02.300 I had this longing to have more children that I'd never had before. And I'm looking at this little

00:33:07.800 tiny baby. And I was just like, I got to have more kids. I just, I got to start having more kids right

00:33:13.720 now. And so I look over at my husband in the middle of mass. I whispered to him. I said,

00:33:21.100 I've got to go get my IUD out. And he looked at me and he said, now, it's like, well, not now,

00:33:31.920 but like tomorrow. And he says to people, he says, that's the sexiest thing Abby's ever said to me.

00:33:41.300 I went to my OB the next day. And I said, I've got to get this IUD out. And she said,

00:33:45.520 what are you going to do for birth control? And I said, nothing. I said, I want kids. I said,

00:33:50.100 and then when we do, I said, I guess we'll use this NFP thing. I don't know. My friends have been

00:33:53.580 talking about it. I don't know what it is. And she said, well, I can't help you with that,

00:33:57.420 but maybe the Catholic church knows something about it. And I said, yeah, we'll, we'll figure

00:34:01.640 it out. And she said, well, you'll be able to get pregnant immediately. As soon as I removed this, 0.83

00:34:07.300 but the IUD had damaged my body so much that I had to end up going to a NAPRO doctor to get

00:34:16.760 everything worked back out in my body. And it took us two years to get pregnant with our son, Alex,

00:34:21.500 and then everything jumpstarted and then we couldn't stop getting pregnant. And

00:34:25.800 that's been a blessing, but, but yeah, I mean, it's, it's, you know, it's been a beautiful journey,

00:34:32.720 but I think a lot of people don't realize the damage and the stress that they're doing to their

00:34:39.280 body. And I think a lot of, a lot of women and couples and men, they don't realize that

00:34:45.840 they're taking life. They're potentially taking life whenever they're using these hormonal methods 0.99

00:34:54.400 and even non-hormonal methods, they're putting a barrier, you know, in their marriage where there

00:34:59.240 shouldn't be one. And when you give yourself over to your spouse, when you say, I'm giving all of me,

00:35:05.460 then truly give all of you to your spouse. Don't have any barrier in between, in between you and your

00:35:11.660 spouse. And that means giving all of you, giving your fertility, giving, giving everything.

00:35:16.300 You know, I've often thought about your husband because having read and watched your story,

00:35:23.680 Doug has always been like a, a, a hero in, in a sense to me too, because he followed you in

00:35:31.720 everything and supported you. And it was beautifully portrayed in the film, you know, just how loving

00:35:40.420 a husband. And anyway, please give him my best. I, I, I'm sure he is such a support for you. You've

00:35:47.800 got such a beautiful family. God bless you for that. Tell us a little bit about Doug.

00:35:52.540 He's amazing. He really is. And people always ask, cause he really is great as, as he made him out to

00:35:58.000 me in the movie. And I'm like, he is an even better. He's, he's amazing. He's always been such a good

00:36:03.440 support to me and really such a good husband and a good father. And he's his patron saying to St.

00:36:11.460 Joseph. And he said, I had to pick the best dad out there. So he did, he, he's such a, he's such a

00:36:17.200 good father. And, you know, when I worked at Planned Parenthood, he was always pro-life and people had asked

00:36:23.280 him, you know, how could you marry somebody when you're pro-life and, you know, they will, she was

00:36:28.360 working, you know, at an abortion clinic. And he just always said, you know, I loved her. And

00:36:33.300 by that time there were just really no deal breakers. You know, I just, I knew that eventually

00:36:39.640 she would come around and I knew that she was too caring to, to not eventually see that she had to

00:36:45.120 care for both the woman and the child. And, and so he just was very faithful and in praying and

00:36:52.540 along with my parents. And I think, you know, between my husband's prayers and my parents' prayers,

00:36:58.540 those were the two greatest influences in my life. And, and really, you know, among three of

00:37:05.780 them, I believe that their prayers are the primary reason that I'm here today. Really let that be an

00:37:11.320 encouragement to anybody who's listening and that, you know, for anyone, whether it's a spouse or

00:37:18.420 children, particularly children who are sort of wayward and, and maybe on their own path that,

00:37:25.040 you know, the Bible makes that promise that as long as we, you know, train them up and

00:37:30.120 in the foundation of their faith, that they will one day return. And, you know, my parents

00:37:35.920 really held on to that biblical promise. And, you know, I remember my dad told my, my mom said that

00:37:44.120 my dad told her one day, you know, Kathleen, we may not be here to see it. We may not be here to see

00:37:49.700 that day come, but we, we have to hold on to that promise that the Lord has made us, that she will

00:37:56.860 one day return. And that's why it's so important for us as parents to train our children up in the

00:38:02.880 way that they should go, because they may temporarily walk away from that faith, but we have to believe

00:38:09.060 in the Lord's promise that they will one day return.

00:38:12.300 Abby, where can people find out about what you're doing about your new film? I know they can go to

00:38:16.480 LifeFunder if they want to support it, LifeFunder slash Unthinkable. Where else can they find out

00:38:20.980 about you and everything you're doing? Yeah, they can just go to my website,

00:38:24.640 abbyj, A-B-B-Y-J dot com. They can find out more about everything I'm doing. They can hear my podcast.

00:38:31.240 Everything I do is on that website. Beautiful. Abby, thank you so very much for being with us.

00:38:36.620 Of course. Thank you for having me. God bless you, Abby and Doug and all your children,

00:38:41.940 of course, and God bless all of you. And we'll see you next time.

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The John-Henry Westen Show - November 15, 2022

NEW PRO-LIFE MOVIE： Abby Johnson discusses ＂Unthinkable＂, reveals the next pro-life phenomenon

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