In this episode, Dr. Scott French talks about the Shroud of Turin and the miracle of Lanciano, where the Holy Communion becomes flesh and blood. But these things are thought by many to be just fairy tales or forgeries. Well, not to this trained doctor s eye. We re going to hear about that.
00:00:14.440Yes, it could be a forgery, but it would take a super intelligent being that can travel through time.
00:00:20.200It's just better to just say it's probably God.
00:00:22.400They put coins over the eyes, eyelids.
00:00:24.640Well, those clever space aliens found some Roman leptons minted in 29 AD by Pontius Pilate.
00:00:32.520Those images are deep to the image on the Shroud of Turin because the shroud is falling through Jesus from the mechanical nuclear degeneration.
00:00:41.760And that's why it's recording 3D digital information.
00:00:44.120Again, we don't have that technology today.
00:00:47.920You know, I had an emergency doctor in a while back talking about COVID, but he's a really interesting fellow.
00:00:53.600He's very Catholic, but then he got to talking about the Shroud of Turin and the miracle of Lanciano, where the Holy Communion becomes flesh and blood.
00:01:05.360But those things are thought by many to be just fairy tales or just made up or forgeries or whatever.
00:01:13.960Well, not to this trained doctor's eye.
00:01:42.100Coming from a doctor's perspective, how do you get to interest in the Shroud of Turin and into a miracle of the Holy Communion turning into the body and blood of our Lord or into what looks like flesh?
00:02:00.260That's a super old miracle, but I'll let you explain it.
00:02:03.780I went to see the Shroud of Turin in 2015 and got a lot of material both from the Catholic pilgrimage group as well as from the Vatican saying, well, it could be a medieval forgery and it could be something else.
00:02:16.960And when you're there, you know, 10 feet away from it, and you see the perfect image, which again, I didn't realize at that point was on the upper six microns width of a human hair, and everything is described in the Bible.
00:02:30.500I thought, oh, there's more to this than meets the eye.
00:02:36.440And then three days later, two days later, we were in Loncano, Italy, where 750 AD, the priest who had difficulty believing in the real presence right in front of the congregation, the cup of wine turned into blood, and the host turned into tissue.
00:02:55.240Now, again, in 750 AD, they didn't have microscopes, and they didn't have sophisticated medical ways to examine it, but it was examined in 1971 by Dr. Linoli in Italy, and it came to the conclusion that it was type AB blood, AB positive blood, and heart tissue.
00:03:19.020Well, just by coincidence, the blood on the Shroud of Turin is type AB blood, and the blood type on the four 21st century Eucharistic miracles are also type AB blood.
00:03:35.880And so we're going to go into that connection, and I'll list those all.
00:03:39.600The first one was in Buenos Aires, Argentina, in 1996.
00:03:45.540There were actually several miracles, but the one that was studied was in 1996.
00:03:50.280And the reason I call it a 21st century Eucharistic miracles is because the studies didn't come out really, the final studies didn't come out until 2005.
00:03:58.200The next one was in 2006 on October 22nd, 2006 in Tixla, Mexico, which is 10 days after Carlo Coutes died in October 12th, 2006, leukemia at the age of 15.
00:04:20.920He's the one that's on his way to become the first millennial saint, and he was very much interested in the Eucharist and Eucharistic miracles.
00:04:30.280And then even more coincidentally, on October 12th, 2008, there was the miracle in Sokoka, Poland.
00:04:38.500Again, type AB blood, and on the same date that Carlo Coutes, blessed Carlo Coutes died.
00:04:45.980And then the final one, and God does have a sense of humor, was on December 25th, 2013, in a church that was named for these, he's called the Apostle of the North, St. Jack.
00:05:02.700I can't pronounce the Polish pronunciation of it, but he saved the Eucharist from being destroyed by the Tartar, the Tartar invasion in the 1200s.
00:05:46.780As we know, 70% of Catholics don't believe in the real presence of the Eucharist.
00:05:51.040The good news is that 70% of weekly mass attending Catholics do believe in the real presence of the Eucharist.
00:05:58.320But unfortunately, the vast majority of Catholics aren't weekly mass attending.
00:06:02.120So the faithful that, you know, come every week do believe it's the ones that, you know, have, and again, it's poor catechesis for 60 years and on.
00:06:13.140So, you know, even the priests and all that.
00:06:14.820So it's just, you know, that's why it's no coincidence that in this time of crisis that we're facing, that we're having this Eucharistic revival.
00:06:25.100Because that really is, you know, as we'll delve into, the Eucharist is the medicine of immortality.
00:06:32.840Why are there 21st century Eucharistic miracles?
00:06:35.680It's because God loves us so much that he wanted us to have evidence of his fully human nature and fully divine nature.
00:06:47.760So if you think about it, the heart tissue and the blood, that's not divine, right?
00:07:00.600And that's why it's living, you know, is because God is basically shouting to us, shouting, literally shouting to us that this stuff is real.
00:07:11.940And the other thing it does, the other thing the Eucharistic miracles do, it shows that the resurrection is real.
00:07:42.500So just like in every miracle that the Catholic Church investigates, and all these are first, you know, approved by the local bishop, and then it goes on.
00:07:50.740They bring in scientists who are not Catholic, who are skeptics, to validate, just like in Lourdes, you know, it's the 70 miracles that have been approved by the church are from scientists that, you know, are not Catholic.
00:08:07.300And in fact, as we get into it with the ones in Poland, they faced severe persecution for having this live tissue, the one in Poland, Sokolko, Poland, the two scientists at the medical school there were accused of, you know, or the Catholic Church, and these people are complicit with it, of killing a person and putting live heart tissue in the sample on the host.
00:08:33.980So, I mean, Satan's not happy about it.
00:08:36.120So, because again, it shows that there really is a resurrection, and that there is life after death, that we just pass into another phase.
00:08:44.760So, we have to kind of back up and go back to the modern era, you know, we think we're so smart with science that, you know, we can explain everything.
00:08:55.320But remember, science can't explain the unseen, right?
00:09:00.460And so, as a physician, it was always curious to me, what is life?
00:09:05.040Well, life's not part of the material world.
00:09:08.460You know, we're in ensouled bodies, right?
00:09:12.200But the soul, that is the animating part.
00:09:15.720And it's not part of the material world.
00:09:18.300And the reason that is, is because think about it.
00:09:20.560How do electrons spinning around a nucleus and a proton, you know, that's what atoms are made out of, that's when the material world is made out.
00:09:50.020We have minds that survive bodily death.
00:09:54.760And we'll talk about those in a second, too, the near-death experiences.
00:09:58.400But we have minds that are not part of the material world.
00:10:02.860And again, the evidence of that is in the near-death experiences.
00:10:06.120So, most people have understood about what near-death experiences are, but I'll just explain it to you.
00:10:11.520There's thousands of these across the world, validated, again, by doctors and psychologists.
00:10:17.880And everywhere I give this talk, I have someone come up and say, yeah, my dad or, you know, someone had a near-death experience.
00:10:23.340And they all have a couple of things in common.
00:10:25.120And the two categories of people that are the most interesting are people blind from birth, so they have no neurons in their brain that have visual information, and children.
00:10:36.580And with people blind from birth, they can see things.
00:10:39.800And I'll just tell you, this is one of just many, many, many stories.
00:10:43.100This one, this blind from birth person is having some sort of procedure in a hospital, and he goes into what we call clinical death.
00:10:49.940That, you know, the ERs and people are pumping on their chest, their brain's not working, their heart's not working.
00:10:55.320And, well, this guy floats out and sees people working on him, hears their conversation, relates it to them when they come back.
00:11:02.760But more importantly, passes through the walls of the hospital, the floors of the hospital, and floats outside the fourth-story window.
00:11:12.960And, again, this is a person who's never seen a window, never seen a wall, never seen a hospital, and sees a pair of red sneakers.
00:11:23.920Now, again, he's never seen their color red and never seen what a sneaker looks like, and that's on the outside of the hospital wall on the fourth floor.
00:11:31.380And when he comes back and his resuscitate comes back, he relates this to everyone, and they go, yeah, yeah, yeah, and they're there.
00:11:42.680And there's stories like this all over the world.
00:11:52.420So now he has sight, but he never had sight.
00:11:54.660He was born blind, not acquired blind.
00:11:56.240And he can see, he can hear, and just like when Jesus passed through into the upper room, same thing.
00:12:04.380So that shows that the mind, which is the soul, yes, we're in soul bodies.
00:12:10.880We have a brain, but the brain isn't the mind.
00:12:14.020Children are also fascinating in that they meet a dead relative, and they meet, who's Aunt Ma?
00:12:21.620And again, these are children that, again, clinically dead, they're recessed to him, some of them come back, and they say, who's Aunt Ma?
00:12:30.940Well, she died, you know, 100 years ago.
00:12:33.760And what's even more fascinating about all these cases is they have one thing in common.
00:12:40.880They both have lost their fear of death.
00:12:44.680Every one of these people has had a near-death experience, loses their fear of death because they know that there's something better than what's here.
00:12:54.120And we used to know that when all the Christians were being martyred in the first couple centuries.
00:12:58.040They would sing on their way to martyrdom.
00:13:00.260During the bubonic plague in the 400s in Rome, 90%, 90%, 90%, 90% of the population was dying from the plague.
00:13:10.620They didn't close down their churches.
00:13:12.000They still did Eucharistic processions because they knew that this is only temporary.
00:14:11.180We have to see it under a microscope and all that.
00:14:12.980So the one in Sacoaco, Poland, is my favorite one because in that miracle, the consecrated host, under electron microscopy, you can't tell where the heart tissue begins and the bread ends.
00:14:26.380And the one in Tixla, Mexico, they've done studies.
00:14:29.340Dr. Gomes did these studies, extensive studies, and the bleeding out of the host was coming from the inside of the host, type AB blood.
00:14:45.460So, you know, in the Shroud of Turin, all the scourge marks, the nails in the hands – because remember, in first century Judea, they didn't have a word for hand, for wrist.
00:15:00.800So it was really at the junction of the hand or wrist where the nails were driven through because if you don't – if you put in the hand, it won't support the weight.
00:15:08.800And then in addition, the Shroud of Turin has four fingers when you look at it.
00:15:14.760And the reason it has four fingers is when you drive a nail through that part of the wrist where the wrist junctions the hand, it gets the median nerve and causes the thumb to curl over.
00:15:28.880And we know that because the VPA analyzer – so in 1978, they did the Shroud of Turin research project.
00:15:37.880All these leading scientists, including people from the Air Force Academy, and they had to invent a 3D image analyzer because this was right before – this was, you know, after the moon landing.
00:15:52.760They had to have – they had to know the height of the moons because, you know, pictures do two-dimensionals, you know.
00:15:56.880But you don't want to – if you're going to land a lunar lander, you don't want to land on top of a mountain.
00:16:01.440So they had to invent what's called this VPA analyzer.
00:16:04.580And if you take a picture of you or me and put it under this analyzer, it looks like a Picasso painting.
00:16:23.960So it's the only 3D image that exists.
00:16:28.120So as I tell people, it's not that – yes, it could be a forgery, and we'll get into all the other evidence that the Shroud of Turin is the real thing.
00:16:37.880But it would take super intelligent being that can travel through time.
00:16:43.520So, yes, it could be super intelligent alien technology that we don't have today and can travel through time.
00:16:50.320It's just better to say it's probably God.
00:16:53.360But it couldn't be a medieval forgery because they can't create a 3D image on the upper six microns of a non-photographic material.
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00:18:46.780I think the thing to do right now is to explain why the carbon-14 dating doesn't work.
00:18:52.820Everyone was so convinced in 1978, after all, that they were, all these scientists, Barry Schwartz, who was a Jewish guy, who was the photographer, he was a photographer there.
00:19:02.880They did all these studies and we're going to, to some of them, we can't, we don't have time to do all of them, but we're going to, to some of them.
00:19:08.340They said, oh, we'll do carbon-14 dating.
00:19:10.680And there's just no question it'll show that it's, you know, it's, it's the burial cloth that'll date back to the first century.
00:19:16.840Well, what they hadn't anticipated was they were going to, they were going to sample at six different sites.
00:19:23.840What they didn't anticipate is one thing.
00:19:26.540And then there's another fact that they didn't really think enough about.
00:19:30.240And that is that the Shroud of Turin, if it really is the burial cloth that Jesus Christ had been around for 2,000 years and was handled and looked at for, you know, a lot of time.
00:19:41.080And we'll go through the history of that as well.
00:19:42.940So, but it was also involved in a fire of, in Chambray, Chambray, France in 1532.
00:19:49.880And that fire was so intense that it melted the silver casket around it and silver melts at 1700 degrees Fahrenheit.
00:20:11.220Number one, they doused it with a lot of water.
00:20:14.980Now, if you take a lot of water and throw it on the Mona Lisa, that paint moves.
00:20:20.180That image never moved because it's not, it's not a pain to die or scorch or a mark, you know, or chemical, chemical burn.
00:20:27.740It's, it's, it's, it's due to, it's due to 6 to 8 billion watts of laser light energy over 140 billionth of a second.
00:20:36.200So, uh, the second thing is the poor Claire, a religious order repaired it.
00:20:43.940They have documents of that and they, um, and unfortunately they only took the sample from one area that the area that had been burned.
00:20:53.940It turns out, it turns out, and it had cotton in it.
00:20:57.640Well, cotton didn't exist in the, um, in the Middle East, uh, until about the year 800 didn't exist in Europe until about the year 1000.
00:21:06.960And so they repaired it with, with cotton fibers.
00:21:10.200And when you look at the, the areas that weren't burned, there's no cotton in it.
00:21:14.220And the, at the samples that were sent to, uh, to the, the, to the carbon 14 labs, uh, it contained cotton in them.
00:21:21.960And they did a chemical analysis and proved it too.
00:21:23.980So, so clearly they, they took a sample from the, the fire damaged area that had been repaired with cotton and dyes.
00:21:31.920So of course it dated back to the middle ages.
00:21:33.940So, so that's, so that's, that explains that the other pieces of evidence where again, in medicine, it's always, it's anything as possible, right?
00:21:44.500As possible, like I said, a, an alien from outer space did this, but the probability becomes slow, smaller and smaller as you go through all the things that have to be there.
00:21:53.200So for example, the image on the Shroud of Turin is in a state of rigor mortis.
00:21:57.100Remember there'll be, that God will be incorrupt, right?
00:22:45.360But remember he was hit about the heads, you know, many times in the face and they're swelling in the eye, all that.
00:22:50.720The, the other thing is these clever space aliens, they, um, put in those days, you know, they were brutally, brutally murdered.
00:22:58.920But then when you die, then they, they, they, they put coins over the eyes, eyelids to, uh, close the eyelids, you know, so it wouldn't look so gruesome, right?
00:23:08.540Well, uh, those clever space aliens found some, uh, Roman leptons minted in 29 AD by Pontius Pilate and put those on.
00:23:18.160And, and those are, those images are deep to the, to the image on the Shroud of Turin, because again, the image of the Shroud, the reason it's the resurrection is, is that the Shroud is falling through Jesus as he's either mechanical from the mechanical nuclear degeneration or, or the pure light energy.
00:23:35.440And that's why it's recording 3D digital information.
00:23:38.240Again, we don't have that technology today.
00:23:40.260Max Fry, who is a, um, he was a botanist for, uh, the European Union and he, uh, vacuumed the Shroud.
00:23:48.840He also moonlit, I guess is, you know, it's maintenance guy.
00:23:51.680And he, he, uh, he, uh, he, uh, he vacuumed the Shroud out and he identified the pollens.
00:23:57.900He's the one that would identify, oh, this guy said he wasn't in Germany.
00:24:00.420And sure enough, we've got a pollen of a plant that only grows in this part in Germany.
00:24:03.600And so, so he could identify all the, the pollen he could find.
00:24:07.420He could, there was pollen from Constantinople.
00:24:10.000There was pollen from, uh, Chambray, pollen from Turin, pollen from all sorts of other areas.
00:24:17.640And, uh, but he couldn't identify the, uh, pollen that was in the crown of thorn areas, um, around the scalp.
00:24:25.440So he went down to Jerusalem and again, just those clever space aliens, just by coincidence.
00:24:31.480Um, the, uh, pollen is, uh, the, uh, a thorny plant that only grows around Jerusalem was,
00:24:39.620would just happen to be in that part of the Shroud.
00:24:41.620There's just so much, uh, overwhelming evidence.
00:24:44.780Um, the iconography, uh, after 525, the, uh, what we see as a crucifix matches what's on the Shroud of Turin.
00:24:54.060There's a Justinian coin from 626 that shows there's a fold in the Shroud of Turin below the chin.
00:25:02.420I mean, it just goes on and on and on.
00:25:04.440And, and again, even in modern days, so everyone knows about the divine mercy, you know, St. Faustina, uh, like myself, wasn't always the brightest bulb.
00:25:14.560And so she, um, she had never seen the Shroud of Turin.
00:25:19.020You remember she reported she'd seen Jesus and Jesus had her do the divine mercy painting.
00:25:24.140And you remember it was lost in 1935 was exposed.
00:25:27.340And then it was lost in, uh, because the Germans, you know, the Nazis, and then the Soviets came.
00:25:34.040And so when they rediscovered the original divine mercy, um, and they did digital overlay, the divine mercy painting, the original overlays the Shroud of Turin.
00:26:02.620And then the other piece of evidence, we have the face cloth of Oviedo.
00:26:06.980Remember in John 19, um, there is the, the, the, the thing rolled up by the side.
00:26:13.840Well, again, just by coincidence, there's 120 bloodstains on the face cloth of Oviedo, and they match the bloodstains on the, uh, Shroud of Turin.
00:26:25.040And the, the face cloth of Oviedo has been definitely, definitively traced back to the year 600.
00:26:30.540Um, and so they both touched the same face.
00:26:34.080Remember in Luke 22, 44, remember Jesus sweat blood?
00:26:39.520Well, Luke was a physician and it's a, it's a real medical condition.
00:27:03.060She fell to her knees and sweat blood.
00:27:04.440So that's, again, showing the severe psychic stress, mental stress, and then physical stress that our Lord went through and our passion.
00:27:12.160And so that, and the reason, the reason it's mentioned in the Bible is because in all these 21st century Eucharistic miracles where there's heart tissue, there's living white blood cells.
00:27:25.980It's in the wall of the ventricle, okay?
00:27:29.920Living white blood cells in these Eucharistic miracles in the wall, the ventricle.
00:27:33.980And that occurs when there's severe stress.
00:28:42.420And then of course he became a believer and, and then helped in some of the other analysis.
00:28:46.440But again, across the world, that one in Sokoko, Poland, where they, on electron microscopy, they could see, you can't tell where the, um, the bread ends and the, and the heart tissue begin.
00:28:59.200And they sent it to yet another medical school center and the same thing came back.
00:29:03.480It's like, yeah, we, we can't explain this.
00:29:05.380No, no one can do, no one has that technology today to do that.
00:29:09.100Um, and they're the ones that were accused of, you know, killing the Catholic church, killing somebody and, you know, faking all this.
00:29:15.380So, yeah, it's, um, it's all connected.
00:29:18.060It is all connected type baby blood, heart tissue.
00:29:21.500It's, and it all comports with what's in the Bible.