The John-Henry Westen Show - NOW In Rome： Pope Francis Amps Up 'Culture Of Fear'

00:00:00.000 There is a culture of fear within the Vatican that cardinals don't know who Pope Francis is

00:00:06.840 going to turn to next. They don't know what he's going to take aim at next. And it seems at the

00:00:11.960 moment he is very much clamping down on the cardinals. At LifeSite News, we've been covering

00:00:23.780 things in Rome for over 20 years. And today we have to have a special focus because as most of

00:00:31.480 you know, it's just crazy. It's crazy on a daily basis. We have two Vatican correspondents permanently

00:00:37.640 there in Rome. With us today is Michael Haynes. He's our lead correspondent in Rome. And we're

00:00:43.580 going to be talking about a few of the things that are ongoing. We're going to be talking about

00:00:48.640 Cardinal Hollerich just appointed to the Pope's special advisory committee, a position which

00:00:53.700 Cardinal Pell left when he went to jail, actually. And also the hypocrisy going on there. Because

00:01:04.980 while Cardinal Pell was sent to jail, falsely, of course, and Father Pavone was just laicized

00:01:12.440 on accusations. This priest was just celebrating mass last Sunday or can celebrating mass. And

00:01:20.400 well, he's a friend of Pope Francis. He's a leftist. He's also a Jesuit. There's in addition

00:01:27.480 to that, there's a new thing with the Cardinals. The retired Cardinals, some of whom are speaking out

00:01:33.740 against what they see as, you know, clearly falling away from the true path of the church,

00:01:40.500 from the teachings of Jesus Christ, being willing to mention that. They're being threatened. They're

00:01:47.880 being threatened with eviction from their properties. It's not really their properties,

00:01:51.920 of course. It's Roman properties. But of course, the Cardinals are Roman citizens. The Cardinals

00:01:56.380 are citizens of, excuse me, Vatican citizens. And it is for the retired Cardinals to have their places

00:02:04.400 in Rome. It's always been done. They're in Vatican properties right outside the Vatican wall for the

00:02:09.660 most part. They're in a beautiful apartment complex that's right outside the Vatican. In fact,

00:02:16.860 take a look at this clip. This is a clip of an interview I did with Cardinal Francis Orinze.

00:02:21.620 And it's from his apartment, from the balcony of his apartment. And as you can see, it's beautiful.

00:02:27.140 Here we are. It's looking right over St. Peter's Square. Do you know such apartments would run,

00:02:33.840 hmm, I don't know, 3,000, 4,000 euros a month if they were owned by the secular state and rented out

00:02:41.240 and whatnot? But they're not. They're Vatican properties. So the Vatican owns them, and those

00:02:47.000 were typically given to the Cardinals. This has been a practice that's gone on probably for more

00:02:52.100 than 100 years. But that all ended just recently, I think just last week, when the Pope said that

00:02:59.260 the Cardinals will now be required to pay for those apartments at the regular going rate of whatever

00:03:07.020 would be charged in the secular world, which basically means they're out on their ear. There's no way

00:03:11.940 you can afford three or 4,000 euros rent per month if you're a retired Cardinal.

00:03:17.680 But I'm sure if they go and see Pope Francis, he will make some kind of concession for them

00:03:26.880 as long as they do his bidding. What a perfect way to be able to muzzle voices that you might

00:03:35.080 disagree with and to make sure everybody sings from the same song sheet. Michael Haynes for

00:03:41.680 LifeSite News coming up next on The John Hunter Weston Show. Stay tuned.

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00:05:15.160 Michael Haynes, welcome to the program.

00:05:17.180 Thank you very much, Sean Henry. Lovely to be with you.

00:05:19.640 Let's begin as we always do with the sign of the cross.

00:05:22.400 In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen.

00:05:27.440 So, Michael, we're really looking forward to you unpacking some of these things for us.

00:05:35.540 One of the things that, to me, is really shocking is this new development with regard to the cardinals

00:05:41.620 and their places of residence. What can you tell us about that?

00:05:45.800 It is. It's very strange. Everything about it is incredibly peculiar, right down from the very

00:05:53.400 beginning of it. It wasn't announced publicly with any great pomp or any great fanfare.

00:05:59.220 It was just placed quietly in a courtyard inside the Vatican City State for the cardinals to discover

00:06:06.020 as they walked past. There was no official announcement, no even courteous announcement,

00:06:12.120 as you might expect from the Pope to the cardinals. So, very, very strange. Almost, it's in the sense that

00:06:19.880 you'd try and do something like that if you were just trying to make sure it passed by and no one

00:06:25.060 actually found out. So, that was published very, very quietly in the courtyard at Saint-Den-Massé

00:06:31.400 courtyard. And as you've mentioned, the Pope is now asking the, what he's saying is the asking rate

00:06:37.900 for the properties, which is going to be extortionate. Firstly, there's no mention of how the

00:06:46.160 asking rate is going to be evaluated. Some of the properties are going to be completely inaccessible

00:06:52.020 to those who wouldn't work in the Vatican because they're actually behind the barriers and the borders

00:06:58.080 of the Vatican City State. So, if the cardinals can't afford to live in these apartments, then it's

00:07:05.100 quite likely that these apartments are going to stay empty. And the Pope, therefore, is actually going to be

00:07:10.760 losing money. He's, he's not going to be gaining the money that he supposedly is looking for. It, it's a very

00:07:17.320 strange gesture. It seems to be, it seems to be oriented towards the manner in which Pope Francis governs

00:07:26.360 the church, governs the Vatican in particular, and governs the Vatican very closely in a manner which is,

00:07:33.960 which is trying to very much prevent any resistance from building up around him. Um, we've reported for a long

00:07:43.960 time and, and life sites, Vatican sources have also corroborated to me recently that there is, there is a culture

00:07:49.960 of, of fear within the Vatican that cardinals don't know who Pope Francis is going to turn to next. They don't know what he's

00:07:57.960 going to take aim at next. And it seems at the moment, he is very much clamping down on the cardinals. Now,

00:08:05.320 this also, it comes with extra, extra topics because the Vatican's finances are very much, um, in the focus

00:08:13.720 at the moment. Um, but the, the money that the, the Pope is, you know, supposedly looking to save by, by this

00:08:22.600 move, if it were completely above board, and if it were not, as you say, to be a move whereby to try and

00:08:29.560 gain control over the cardinals. The actual money that he might pull in is minuscule in comparison

00:08:35.800 with the money that the Vatican is hemorrhaging. I mean, reports suggest that the Vatican is some tens

00:08:42.040 of millions in deficit. Uh, so he, the Pope is not going to be able to make tens of millions back from

00:08:48.200 these cardinals. It, it's very much a move which seems to be oriented to one thing, and that, that's

00:08:54.520 power. That's, that's making sure the cardinals know who is in charge, making sure that if they speak

00:09:00.520 out of line, perhaps, or if they align themselves with any arguments, dare they be proposing Catholic

00:09:07.720 teaching, or proposing Catholic tradition, or the ancient liturgy, then the Pope might be able to,

00:09:13.720 to move against them and withdraw whatever, uh, whatever concessions he has, he has allowed them

00:09:20.520 for the housing. You know, cardinals wear red. It's a sign of blood of martyrdom and of being willing

00:09:27.880 to give yourself up for the faith. Who knew that the kind of white, white martyrdom, if you will, 0.72

00:09:35.080 but it's still pretty severe, uh, might be coming for them even in their old age. This is going on,

00:09:40.760 though, in a Vatican that is so very hypocritical. Um, a lot of people haven't heard about the Father 0.95

00:09:48.440 Rubnik case. If you can go through that for us, just so that people understand where it's at.

00:09:53.480 So, the Father Rubnik case really came to light not long before Christmas, a couple of weeks

00:09:58.920 before Christmas. There were three Italian blogs which, uh, highlighted the case. So, Father Rubnik is a

00:10:06.040 Jesuit and in the early 90s, he co-founded the Loyola community, a religious community of nuns.

00:10:14.920 He co-founded that with a religious sister. Now, the allegations which were really brought to light

00:10:21.960 just in December last year were that Father Rubnik actually spiritually and, pardon me, psychologically

00:10:28.440 and sexually abused nuns, uh, now also former nuns of the community. Now, there were, there were two main

00:10:36.680 instances. The one instance was that Father Rubnik had actually more recently absolved, uh, a sexual

00:10:43.000 accomplice of his in confession, which incurs an automatic excommunication. And the CDF had, had gone

00:10:50.680 through the procedure. There had been, uh, the trial. They had found that the allegation was credible. They then went

00:10:56.440 through the trial. They found him guilty. And then the excommunication was lifted very, very quickly. Now,

00:11:03.160 reports slightly differ. The, the Jesuits, uh, said in their official statement that Father Rubnik repented

00:11:09.640 and therefore the excommunication was lifted. One of the, the news sites which broke the news of Father Rubnik case

00:11:16.280 actually is very firmly stating that it was Pope Francis himself who intervened directly. And they say within hours,

00:11:24.200 it's a direct quote, within hours, to lift the excommunication of this disgraced Father Rubnik. So

00:11:30.360 that's, that's one instance. The, the other instance is also of the allegations. And when you read through

00:11:36.600 the details of the abuse, which Father Rubnik is alleged to have committed, it, it is incredibly dark, um, very,

00:11:45.000 very satanic. Um, some of the, the hardest content I've, I've read through and had to write on,

00:11:50.600 has, has been related to Father Rubnik. Um, many of the, the nuns and the former nuns also who are

00:11:57.880 making these allegations have provided very detailed testimony. Now, Father Rubnik has been under some

00:12:04.920 restrictions, even prior to the news, uh, being made public just last year. Uh, once the news was made

00:12:11.240 public, there was obviously very much, uh, a fewer more concentrated in the Italian-speaking news. It didn't

00:12:18.360 make its way so much, uh, to the English-speaking news in, in England or America. But since then,

00:12:23.960 the Jesuits have put out a call. They've asked for, uh, any more alleged victims of Father Rubnik to,

00:12:30.600 to come forward. And just in that space, we're talking now of, you know, up to about three months,

00:12:35.960 a further 15 people have come forward, 14 women and one man, uh, alleging that Father Rubnik has

00:12:43.560 also abused them. Additionally, the, the style of abuse has now widened. So the abuse now includes,

00:12:50.760 I believe, uh, spiritual, uh, abuse as well as psychological and sexual abuse. So Father Rubnik

00:12:59.320 has been, he's been prohibited from taking part in public ministry, uh, as particularly public spiritual

00:13:06.280 ministry involving, say, saying mass, saying confession. He's also now, even more recently,

00:13:12.680 been restricted from his public artwork because Father Rubnik, particularly in Italy, is a very

00:13:18.600 well-known name because his artwork adorns many of the shrines. It's, he's a very famous style of the,

00:13:25.640 um, the conjoined eye, which we saw, um, on the, uh, Jubilee Year of Mercy, I believe the logo for that.

00:13:32.680 And they had it up for World Youth Day as well, a different design of his. So very, very popular

00:13:37.960 indeed. Absolutely. So the, uh, so Father Rubnik has been able to live still in Rome in the, the center

00:13:45.960 he's directed here for the past 20 plus years. He has, uh, he has had these restrictions based upon

00:13:53.320 them and yet still he's listed as a consultant on the Vatican's Dicastery for Divine Worship.

00:13:58.040 Uh, until very recently, uh, a lot of his video reflections in the Gospel were still placed on

00:14:04.120 YouTube. And even as recently as this Sunday, in the, the minor Basilica of Santa Prisade,

00:14:09.800 which is, of course, just a stone's throw away in the shadows of St. Mary Majors, Father Rubnik

00:14:15.880 was reportedly saying, uh, or concelebrating mass there this Sunday. Santa Prisade is, is a stunning old

00:14:23.000 Basilica where the column on which our Lord was scourged is, is kept and venerated by Catholics.

00:14:29.800 And yet Father Rubnik appears to be completely rejecting all the restrictions placed upon his

00:14:35.960 ministry and no action is appearing to actually have an effect on him. And the excommunication,

00:14:41.880 which was, which he incurred automatically and which the CDF confirmed has been, has been lifted very,

00:14:48.840 very quickly. And likely right with, it had to be done with Pope Francis's approval. But, uh,

00:14:55.720 if, as that magazine said, it was done within hours by Pope Francis, unbelievable. The hypocrisy there, 0.86

00:15:02.440 since all this broke at the same time as what was going on with Father Frank Pavone, it was so scandalous.

00:15:10.600 Uh, Father Frank was laicized, uh, on based on accusations, accusations, which were, which were

00:15:18.840 investigated and he was found to be fine afterwards. So there's still a cloud under that. Father is not

00:15:26.600 wearing a collar, not presenting himself as a priest, not celebrating mass. He's being very obedient.

00:15:32.200 And, uh, yet this goes, this scandal grows like this, but, uh, it is, it is really stunning. And,

00:15:41.080 uh, I, you know, I'm sorry, Michael, that you have to go through this. Know that you're doing a work,

00:15:45.560 uh, that is, uh, for the good of the Lord's people. And I'm sure he will also protect you from

00:15:51.240 all the horror that comes with having to read through that nonsense. One of the other things that took

00:15:56.120 place, uh, just over this past week was around Cardinal Holerich. Tell us first of all about

00:16:03.800 Cardinal Holerich. Who is he? So Cardinal Holerich is the, uh, the relative general of the current

00:16:11.080 synod on synodality. Pope Francis is in many ways, you could say his pet project or the culmination of

00:16:16.600 all the various synods, which he's had until now. So Cardinal Holerich has a very key role, uh,

00:16:22.040 leading that. He's also, uh, plays a key role in leading the European bishops. Uh, now Cardinal Holerich

00:16:29.880 has been a Vatican figure for many years. In fact, one of the very famous images of Pope Francis and

00:16:36.200 the, and the Pacamama pagan idol in the Vatican in 2019, you can actually see Cardinal Holerich very

00:16:42.040 prominently there on, on the side. Um, so he's always enjoyed, enjoyed quite a, a key role next to

00:16:48.600 Pope Francis. But just in the last few days, Pope Francis actually named Cardinal Holerich to join

00:16:55.160 the revamped, uh, Cardinal advisors, the famous so-called C9 because of its composition of nine

00:17:01.880 Cardinals. Now Cardinal Holerich is perhaps one of the, the most prominent Cardinals in his lobbying for

00:17:10.840 homosexuality, for LGBT ideology, completely in opposition to Catholic teaching. Uh, in fact, 0.89

00:17:17.400 he's called the Catholic teaching on the homosexual acts, um, he's called that teaching false. He's,

00:17:23.160 he's very, very much been open about his very clear, very, very, uh, prominent rejection of the

00:17:30.040 Catholic teaching on these very crucial moral issues on which the Catholic Church needs to be teaching

00:17:35.880 quite pronounced, uh, in a quite pronounced manner, I beg your pardon. But despite this, Pope Francis has

00:17:42.840 seen fit to, uh, to move Cardinal Holerich to be one of his advisors. In, in many ways, Cardinal Marx,

00:17:50.040 the German Cardinal Reinhard Marx, who is exiting that C9, um, has had his heterodoxy replaced by Cardinal

00:17:58.120 Holerich. Uh, it seems that Cardinal Holerich is arguably much more openly heretical, one could say,

00:18:05.320 in his pronouncements than Cardinal Marx. It also shows just how, uh, that the themes that we are

00:18:12.600 seeing, and we should expect to see more in the Synod, on synodality as well, which has already been

00:18:17.640 very, very open in its calls for more LGBT inclusion, uh, which seems to be an inclusion at the sacrifice of 0.94

00:18:26.600 Catholic teaching on the Church's teaching on sexual morality and these issues.

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00:18:52.760 at give.lifesitenews.com. And now, back to the video.

00:18:56.840 There's another issue that I think a lot of people need the detail on, because I think

00:19:02.360 there's been a lot of talk about it, but the specific details, just if you can summarize for us,

00:19:09.480 what is going on with the Latin Mass? We've heard there's restrictions, there was, you know,

00:19:13.880 trititionis custodis, then there was this re-script, um, what is going on? What's the status right now?

00:19:20.440 This latest re-script, which we've had just in the last two weeks now, I believe, that's a re-script

00:19:27.000 from Cardinal Arthur Roach, the Englishman who heads up the Vatican's congregation, now Dicastery

00:19:32.280 for Divine Worship. So that is a re-script which has come from him, he's presented it to the Pope,

00:19:37.240 and Pope Francis has signed off. And that seems to be the result of, not a debate, but ongoing

00:19:44.680 correspondence between Cardinal Roach and American bishops over the past few months, which we only

00:19:50.680 really learnt of in the last few weeks leading up to the issuing of this re-script. So Pope Francis's

00:19:57.240 infamous trititionis custodis implemented, amongst many restrictions, it implemented the restriction

00:20:03.320 that parish churches could not be used for the celebration of the traditional Mass, an attempt to

00:20:09.320 to ghettoise the traditional Mass. Now, many American bishops have been employing, rightfully so, 1.00

00:20:17.000 canon law to exempt their priests from this ruling, and exempt them from the ruling because they are

00:20:23.560 arguing that this is harmful for the faith of the souls who they have under their care. Now, Cardinal Roach

00:20:30.600 issued his own document a few months after the Popes in 2021, and since then he has been trying to

00:20:37.320 essentially strong-arm bishops into accepting that they cannot exempt their priests from trititionis

00:20:43.960 custodis. And what we see with this most recent re-script is the culmination of that. So Cardinal Roach

00:20:52.120 has been arguing with these bishops, stating that I, Cardinal Roach, have the authority to remove your

00:20:59.000 powers of exempting priests. And then he has essentially drawn up a document, gone to Pope Francis

00:21:05.080 for support, and said, can you approve this? Pope Francis has done it. So now the bishops have been

00:21:11.800 hamstrung because they've been employing canon law just to try and protect the souls under their care,

00:21:18.120 and Cardinal Roach, supported by Pope Francis, has removed that. So even more so now, bishops are having to

00:21:27.320 tread the very fine line between looking after the souls in their diocese who love the traditional mass,

00:21:35.400 and not going so far as to result in Pope Francis, for some unknown reason, suddenly removing them from

00:21:42.520 the diocese or getting into that extremely tricky canonical battle. Yes. Well, I think one of the things,

00:21:49.960 we had some incredible interviews with Bishop Athanasius Schneider, who was very clear about the ability of

00:21:57.880 proper actions of bishops to disobey these unjust orders coming from Pope Francis vis-a-vis the Mass of

00:22:05.000 Ages, vis-a-vis the traditional mass. And perhaps the best way forward is to not mention it at all, 0.99

00:22:11.800 just continue with business as usual. Very difficult times indeed. Are we still expecting

00:22:19.000 another document from Rome? Where is that? Because the rescript was not the document. You apparently got

00:22:25.880 some more information on that document that was prepared or is being prepared. What's the status on

00:22:31.960 that? Yes, absolutely. So the rescript was not the very severe rumoured document which we've been

00:22:38.520 hearing increasingly about over the past few weeks. It appears from a number of reports that have been

00:22:46.520 ongoing in the last few months and LifeSite's own sources, it does appear that this rumoured document

00:22:53.880 is indeed real. Now, the unknown, the major unknown factor is whether or not Pope Francis will actually

00:23:01.480 go ahead and release it. Some are of the opinion that, given this recent document attacking the traditional

00:23:08.040 mass, Pope Francis might just hold off and not issue it. Others are not quite of that opinion.

00:23:16.040 I think it's very clear in one sense what is quite likely, and I think that it's quite likely Pope Francis

00:23:24.040 could still issue this. We've seen his coordinated, relentless attack on the traditional mass. We've

00:23:30.280 also seen Cardinal Roach describe devotees of the traditional mass as Protestant, which is quite ironic

00:23:37.240 if you consider the saints, both clerical and lay saints, who died at the hands of Protestant

00:23:43.880 persecutions whilst attending that traditional mass. I think when we see such a coordinated effort

00:23:51.240 from those two figures against the traditional mass, it would not be surprising in any way if they

00:23:56.840 still were to release this rumoured document. And what is the date best guess for us on the

00:24:02.600 release of that document? It seems that a common date being mentioned is around Holy Week itself,

00:24:10.520 April the 3rd, is a date that's mentioned. The trouble is with Pope Francis, he is incredibly

00:24:17.480 unpredictable. So it's hard to know, but that is very much the date that recurs a lot in the reports

00:24:24.920 that are being issued about the document. Where does Holy Week fall this year in terms of the date?

00:24:30.120 I believe, I'd have to double check, but I believe April the 3rd would be the Monday of Holy Week,

00:24:36.120 just as an Easter gift. Instead of announcing the joy of the resurrected Christ, the traditional

00:24:44.200 Catholics are living under this threat of will there be an Easter in the traditional rite? It is an

00:24:50.520 incredible time. It has forced Bishop Athanasius Snyder, other faithful bishops, to speak out more than ever.

00:24:58.360 However, we saw just with Cardinal McElroy's heresy in America, where again, pushing on the LGBT issue,

00:25:07.080 you know, Bishop Aquila, Bishop Nauman, Archbishop Nauman, had to, and Bishop Procky had to come out and

00:25:16.760 call him out for heresy, quite literally. We saw that same thing this week with Bishop Athanasius

00:25:24.840 Schneider. You had an amazing interview with him yourself a couple weeks ago, but just this week

00:25:30.600 he was on again talking about the Synod on Synodality, also brought up the word heresy. What was that about?

00:25:36.840 So, Bishop Schneider was making his comments, as you say, in response to Cardinal McElroy's repeated

00:25:45.160 heretical articles. And Bishop Schneider made a very astute observation. He said that these cardinals and

00:25:51.880 these bishops, they say these things because they know they can get away with it. It relates back to

00:25:57.080 what we mentioned with Father Wilpnick. Those who feel that they have the protection of the Pope

00:26:02.360 seem to be able to get away with things. And very much the cardinals, if they wish to speak out,

00:26:09.080 as you say, there's the veiled threat, particularly for those in Rome. They, you know, will their

00:26:14.920 accommodation be removed or restricted in some way? But Bishop Schneider was very clear that these bishops,

00:26:21.960 these cardinals in particular, are speaking out because they know they won't get punished. And on

00:26:26.520 the contrary, they will be rewarded. They'll be promoted. Bishop McElroy himself, before he received

00:26:33.240 the red hat and was elevated to the cardinal, his heterodoxy was incredibly well known, very well

00:26:39.960 documented. And yet, despite this, Pope Francis saw fit to raise him to the College of Cardinals.

00:26:45.240 Yeah, at this point, it becomes, is it despite this? Or is it because of this? I hate to say that,

00:26:51.320 but boy, things are certainly pointing in that direction.

00:26:55.080 Yeah, absolutely. It's, to speak out and proclaim the traditional faith, the faith of ages,

00:27:02.840 now it seems to, instead of being, leading to some sort of reward, or at least to some thanks

00:27:09.640 from the Pope for doing so in very anti-Catholic times, it seems that the person you're most likely

00:27:15.640 to be persecuted by is the Pope. That seems to be the situation in which we, we have arrived to.

00:27:22.200 The Vatican, though, does have its priorities. And one of the major priorities is climate change.

00:27:30.360 Tell us about the latest there.

00:27:31.400 It does indeed. It very much has a priority given to climate change. This has been one of the very,

00:27:39.160 very prominent and consistent themes in Pope Francis's pontificate. We saw, most recently,

00:27:46.120 the Dicastery for Integral Human Development, which Pope Francis established in 2017, I believe,

00:27:52.920 they partnered with a Swedish environmental institute to issue action plans, if you will,

00:28:00.840 on climate change. Now, the Vatican officially joined the very pro-abortion, pro-contraception

00:28:09.000 Paris climate change agreement last year. And now, with this new initiative, it's actually,

00:28:14.120 the Vatican is going to be printing off 500,000 booklets, which it's produced in partnership with

00:28:21.320 the Environmental Institute. And it's going to send these booklets to parishes across the world.

00:28:26.680 And so, instead of highlighting issues such as the need to defend unborn life, the need to promote 0.89

00:28:33.240 chastity, the traditional marriage and the family, the Vatican is asking priests, Catholic priests,

00:28:40.200 around the world to attend to protecting the oceans, to listening to the cry of the earth,

00:28:47.000 and to listening to how sustainability and social justice work in cohesion and are the priorities

00:28:56.040 which we apparently must attend to today. As you see, it's quite striking to see

00:29:01.080 where the priorities lie and what resources are given to what particular topics. And it seems that

00:29:08.920 this, the climate is the supposed agenda of climate change is more important than unborn life or the

00:29:17.400 church's teaching. Indeed. In fact, it's been very consistent though. Pope Francis wrote on climate change

00:29:25.880 when we had massive disasters on earth and traditional bishops would have talked about how

00:29:31.800 you know, our sins have caused God to be angry with us. We must make reparation. Pope Francis was

00:29:38.600 talking about how, you know, we have offended Mother Earth and she's rebelling against us. So,

00:29:46.280 yeah, very consistent indeed. Michael, any final thoughts for us on things going on in Rome that

00:29:51.960 you wanted to mention? I think a note of encouragement perhaps, just reiterating what

00:29:58.840 Bishop Schneider said to me in the interview you mentioned. Bishop Schneider, he's very aware of all

00:30:04.360 the terrible confusion and the tumult going on in the church. And he recommended that one of the best

00:30:11.640 ways we can fight back against this and preserve the faith is really to study the faith ourselves, to

00:30:18.200 to turn to the old tried and tested books, the manuals of the faith. And also, I think, as you

00:30:24.920 mentioned, we should prepare ourselves to have a more persecuted life as Catholics, to be underground 0.98

00:30:32.680 in a time and to prepare ourselves spiritually for that by reading and by praying and by turning to God,

00:30:39.240 and really to listening to the teachings of tradition and to leave aside everything else.

00:30:45.800 And on that front, you know, getting back to the Catechism of the Council of Trent,

00:30:52.040 and that was really expounded in a simple form in the Baltimore Catechisms in America,

00:30:57.480 what was the equivalent of that in England? It was a Penny Catechism, was it?

00:31:01.240 We had the Penny Catechism. The Baltimore Catechism actually made its way across the ocean as well.

00:31:06.600 So that was quite a big hit.

00:31:09.400 Yeah. And Bishop Schneider, when he spoke with me, because I asked him about that, it was very,

00:31:15.560 we're living in such strange times. No one has a manual for you on underground masses and how that

00:31:22.520 looks like. But it's already being done. Certain places have already got masses in people's homes,

00:31:31.560 because certain dioceses have already totally cut them off. Just this week, I think we saw

00:31:37.560 two dioceses completely cut off the Latin Mass. Do you happen to know where they are offhand?

00:31:41.880 I think maybe even three. There are a couple, two dioceses in England, which have implemented

00:31:48.760 restrictions or not sought permission to continue the Mass. And also the Diocese of Albany over across

00:31:55.400 the pond as well. And also, most recently, the traditional Mass on campus at the Franciscan

00:32:03.560 University of Steubenville. The news has just broken in the last day or so about that being

00:32:08.840 prohibited now by the Bishop there.

00:32:10.680 No, it's a direct attack, even on young Catholics. A lot of these churches were booming with young

00:32:20.360 families. I know that my son attends one where he's at in university. And he just brought a friend

00:32:28.680 the other day. And his friend was astounded at the number of young people. But the one good thing is, 1.00

00:32:35.880 as Bishop Schneider says, we have to make ourselves ready to live in times of persecution. And it's the

00:32:44.120 young who take up challenges like that. Young people just like you, Michael.

00:32:50.520 And I think that explains the growth of the traditional Mass, in a sense, because there is

00:32:55.320 a challenge. The Catholic faith in its fullness offers a challenge because it's not an easy life. 0.99

00:33:01.640 You can't go out and do whatever you wish, but it presents a challenge. And people respond to a

00:33:07.480 challenge that we thrive off having ideals, having firm resolves to live our lives by, and having

00:33:16.280 the Catholic faith to live our lives by. Michael Haynes, thank you so much for being with us.

00:33:21.240 And thank you for your faithfulness and faithful reporting from Rome.

00:33:26.680 Thank you very much, John Henry. Lovely to be with you today.

00:33:29.160 God bless you, Michael, and God bless all of you. And we'll see you next time.

00:33:37.480 John Henry Weston

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The John-Henry Westen Show - March 09, 2023

NOW In Rome： Pope Francis Amps Up 'Culture Of Fear'

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