The John-Henry Westen Show - PART 2： Freemasonry, the Black Hand, and ‘War with the Antichrist’

00:00:00.000 Whenever there's a liturgical abuse, a sacrilege, whatnot against our Lord in the Eucharist,

00:00:04.220 people need to understand, it is equivalent to crucifying our Lord again. The beginning of that

00:00:10.340 three and a half years, Antichrist will bring the public celebration of the Mass to an end.

00:00:15.400 So there's this Eucharistic element to the Antichrist. Now, how is it all connected?

00:00:19.940 If you haven't seen it already, you have to go back and watch part one of the interview on

00:00:32.220 Freemasonry with my next guest, Joshua Charles, because you're going to get that first deep dive

00:00:39.060 into it to help you to understand where this goes. And it was indeed a deep dive. We're right now into

00:00:46.820 the very, very thick of it. So if you're just joining us now, go back to lifesitenews.com,

00:00:52.860 look up the interview with Joshua Charles, and check it out there. Now, this part two,

00:00:58.760 we are really in the weeds. And it gets super interesting. Okay, listen to this,

00:01:04.280 this is going to blow your mind. Joshua Charles lays out the evidence that there is, in fact,

00:01:10.620 evidence that you have a sort of super group of occultists, New Agers, all these different kind

00:01:18.900 of nature, paganistic, whatever religions we see cropping up everywhere. He believes and points

00:01:25.720 out that there's evidence that there's sort of one group, not even a group, one person that's been in

00:01:33.360 charge of really all of them for a long, long time. And that one person is like, it's handed down like

00:01:40.840 a bishopric almost, from one person to the next to the next. And at the end of that cycle, we'll be

00:01:48.000 Antichrist. Well, that's fascinating all by itself. And then what are we dealing with? Where are we in

00:01:55.460 this timeline toward where we're going toward Antichrist? All that and more on this episode

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00:03:24.140 Did the Freemasons write that the Catholics or the Catholic Church was doing? I mean, obviously,

00:03:30.760 when the Church preaches against Freemasonry, yeah, that's a thing. But what else was it doing?

00:03:36.100 And that's why I was so glad to hear that last bit about how the pagan statues felt. People need to

00:03:43.920 resurrect that understanding. People read stories of saints, and they are taught in school now,

00:03:50.500 oh, that's just allegorical. That's nothing. Just like angels. It's actually realities. But it's what

00:03:57.220 people now think of fables and whatever else. Nonsense. Real stuff. But what did the Masons say was going on?

00:04:04.580 I think it ultimately comes down to the Catholic Church claimed to have divine authority to bind

00:04:13.340 the human conscience. I think that's what it ultimately comes down to, which is why many of

00:04:18.720 my closest friends and mentors are still Protestants. So none of this is directed at individual Protestants.

00:04:24.400 But I think this is why Protestantism was such a disaster. And the early so-called Reformers,

00:04:31.800 I don't think they conceived of it this way. Because like many people who don't listen to the

00:04:36.260 Church, they don't realize the secondary tertiary effects of what they're doing. But they essentially

00:04:42.400 established the autonomy of the human intellect. And so that's what Freemasonry and occultism is all

00:04:48.520 about. You shall be as gods. I mean, so when you read, so one book I read was by J.D. Buck,

00:04:55.000 Jedediah something Buck. He was a very high-ranking Freemason. He wrote a book called—well, I'm not

00:05:02.000 going to mention the book because I don't think people should be, frankly, too curious about these

00:05:05.160 things. But he participated in the 1893 Parliament of Religions, which Cardinal Gibbons also went to,

00:05:12.800 who was a good man. He wrote The Faith of Our Fathers, played a role in my conversion. But Pope Leo XIII

00:05:17.340 later, you know, chided him for that. And the Parliament of Religions in 1893 was sort of this

00:05:22.340 first flowering of ecumenicalism, I guess I would call it. And there were theosophists there and

00:05:29.700 Christians and Buddhists and Hindus and sort of this whole—again, it all comes back to that,

00:05:35.220 that are you going to be—are we united in one family through the first Adam or the second Adam?

00:05:40.320 Well, the Parliament of Religions was saying we're all united in the first Adam. Of course,

00:05:43.640 not explicitly, but implicitly, that's what they were saying, that our original sin-damaged

00:05:49.220 nature inherited from Adam is sufficient for our brotherhood. And the Church has said no. And the

00:05:57.540 Church claims to say no on the basis of divine authority. And so something that J.D. Buck and a

00:06:04.080 number of these Freemasons write, they think that this is blatant tyranny. They think that the Church's

00:06:09.920 claim to teach authoritatively what the human intellect must believe is tyrannical. And so,

00:06:17.420 I mean, I think the natural—well, unnatural, but you know what I mean? The natural progression of

00:06:22.580 this is certainly in the trans movement. And by the way, I've had family members who have struggled

00:06:26.580 with that. Thank God they're coming out of it. There's really some miraculous things going on

00:06:30.300 with family members who are kind of in with all that and are now beginning catechesis. It's been

00:06:34.740 amazing. So I'm not here to attack any person who's genuinely struggling. We need to love and

00:06:40.060 support them. If I saw somebody who was genuinely confused about their gender, which I couldn't blame

00:06:45.280 them these days. I have some teacher friends who tell me what's happening in schools, and it's

00:06:48.840 mind-boggling. But if I saw somebody bully them, I'd be the first to punch the bully in the nose,

00:06:54.220 you know, rhetorically or physically if I needed to. So we need to stand with people who are genuinely

00:06:58.300 confused and whatnot. But as far as giving into, are we going to call them what they say? No,

00:07:02.920 of course not. But all of that goes back to the autonomy of the intellect. No one can instruct

00:07:08.520 me, which of course is the whole reason I became Catholic from Protestantism, because I realized

00:07:13.960 that my autonomous intellect, without an authority in the world established by God to say, thus saith

00:07:19.520 the Lord, this is the faith, this isn't the faith, there is literally no way for me to reach certainty.

00:07:25.500 I wanted to love Jesus. Jesus said, if you love me, you will obey my commandments. Well,

00:07:30.340 in Protestantism, I couldn't even get to what the commandment was, because I would have good,

00:07:34.940 educated man X, good, educated man Y, and even more, and they just could never agree.

00:07:43.480 And who was I to say, well, this one's right? It's like, I could never know. And so Protestantism

00:07:49.780 began this whole project by, the way I like to phrase it is, denying that there's a living

00:07:54.660 apostolic voice on the earth. So Protestantism made us all orphans, frankly. They don't realize

00:08:01.860 it, but that's what they made us. And so, well, I mean, those who went along with it, of course,

00:08:06.560 we know as Catholics, we're not orphans, right? There is an apostolic authority in the earth.

00:08:10.200 But that's essentially Freemasonry's gripe with the Catholic Church, because no Protestant sect could

00:08:15.980 say, and many of them don't even say to this day, thus saith the Lord, you must assent to this.

00:08:23.180 I mean, they'll say, believe the gospel, okay, that's fine, as good as it is. But then once you

00:08:28.320 get right past that outer layer, they're all disagreeing about all sorts of things. They

00:08:32.060 can't even agree about baptism. They can't even agree about whether you can divorce, whether you

00:08:36.840 can remarry, whether if you deliberately choose to sin, you're forfeiting your salvation. I mean,

00:08:41.620 there's just all sorts of things they can't even agree about. And they'll even admit, none of us can

00:08:45.620 say, we don't have a magisterium to say, we bind and loose, this is true, this is false. And that's

00:08:50.700 what masonry hates. It hates this claim, this pretentious tyrannical claim, in their view,

00:08:56.720 that the Catholic Church has always had, always made, to bind the human intellect to believe

00:09:03.480 certain truths. And they want to destroy that. Now that brings me to a very uncomfortable question

00:09:08.540 for you. If in your theory, which I agree with, that the Church is the catacomb. And if the catacomb

00:09:16.620 will one day stop or be lessened to an extent that freemasonry to its ultimate goal, which seems to be

00:09:23.560 antichrist, then, as we've seen, particularly over, well, there's been an acceleration in the last

00:09:31.560 decade, but it's been going on for half a century. The Church letting go of its claims to hold the

00:09:43.080 intellect to have to believe a certain thing. That's happening in spades. In fact, you almost

00:09:48.580 see the Church, and I'm not, okay, members of the Church who are given laud, honor, and stuff from

00:09:58.820 the hierarchy, embracing the opposite of the truth of the Church. And we're in that situation,

00:10:05.200 exactly like the Protestants were, where you're now going, well, who is the authority? Because

00:10:13.720 do I follow this bishop or that one? Because they're diametrically opposed. And they're both

00:10:18.440 very smart people. They've both been educated much more than me. And I'm a simple Catholic,

00:10:22.080 and I don't even know what to do. And they're teaching truths that are the opposite. They're

00:10:27.620 claiming that they're both extensions of what always was. They're both claiming that. We're

00:10:35.860 in that situation right now. We have been in that situation for a decade in earnest, and for 50 years

00:10:41.120 to some extent. But it's not getting better. It's getting worse. Where are you on that with regard to

00:10:48.460 the whole discussion on the catacomb? You just throw me all the softballs,

00:10:51.960 John Henry. I appreciate it. I fully came into the Church in July 2019 on a date that neither my

00:10:58.300 priest, who was also a Protestant convert, FSSP guy, neither my priest nor I realized it until

00:11:03.700 like a week before. But it was July 13th, the Fatima day. And it was a Saturday. I pray a daily

00:11:09.140 rosary, wear it with me everywhere. And it's changed my life. So I suspect Our Lady's prayers were involved

00:11:14.460 in some way. So I'm very devoted to Our Lady of Fatima. I do think the third secret, we never got the

00:11:20.000 full thing. But I can say that since I've been Catholic, I have never lost my peace. And I,

00:11:25.740 you know, ascribe it entirely to God's grace. But I think one of the reasons why is in my study of the

00:11:32.840 patristic interpretations of 2 Thessalonians 2, Apocalypse, Daniel, and whatnot. And I'm still

00:11:41.740 doing more, but I've done a lot the last three years. I'll point to a prophecy, so to speak,

00:11:46.800 of St. Pope Gregory the Great in the Moralia of Job, an amazing work. It's as long as the

00:11:52.680 confessions and city of God of St. Augustine. It's a little bit longer than both combined.

00:11:58.340 But he has a prophecy in there. He has a lot of eschatology that he gets from Job. And St.

00:12:02.160 Thomas Aquinas said St. Pope Gregory the Great's mystical treatment of Job was the single best that

00:12:06.820 was out there. So St. Thomas Aquinas was like, I might even go to the mystical. I think he did the

00:12:11.160 moral. So St. Pope Gregory the Great said that the church prior to the appearance of Antichrist would be

00:12:16.540 severely weakened. I don't have the reference right in front of me. But he said that the voice of

00:12:22.000 doctrine would fall silent. He said the penitence, the penance would be weaker, that there'd be fewer

00:12:29.260 miracles. He said all these sorts of things. There'd be all these sort. Now, and it's very interesting why

00:12:34.980 he said it would be that way. He said it was for basically two reasons. One, and this kind of goes

00:12:42.800 into Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2. Paul says that the reason this great delusion is sent, so the people

00:12:48.180 accept the Antichrist, the delusion is meant for those who do not love the truth, and that they

00:12:55.000 will kind of ultimately fall into condemnation. But that those who are genuine and who will stay with

00:13:01.840 our Lord are proven. And Paul elsewhere says that that's the purpose of heresy. As heresy comes into the

00:13:07.140 church, it proves those who are genuine. Many fathers talk about this. And so, St. Pope Gregory the Great

00:13:13.440 says that the reason this is allowed is so that those who love, who don't love our Lord, will be

00:13:20.240 shown for who and what they are, and they'll all the more easily fall away. And two, those who do love

00:13:26.440 our Lord will merit even more by the fact that they can rely less and less on what they see,

00:13:34.080 and more and more on what they know. So, it's a very interesting and powerful reflection from

00:13:40.780 a saint, a pope, a doctor of the church, and a church father. So, I think those are about the four

00:13:45.840 biggest check marks you can get in the Catholic Church. And so, I would highly recommend people

00:13:49.900 look into that. There's actually thecatacon.org. There's a site out there, and it actually has a

00:13:56.100 reference to this. So, if you want to look that up, but thecatacon.com. It's a really big topic,

00:14:01.020 but the other thing I'd say is, but in studying Catholic history, you know, we've had, look, I pray

00:14:06.760 for Pope Francis every day. I accept him as such. Would I be surprised if things turned out differently

00:14:13.100 in the future, and the church clarified that? Not necessarily. I'll just put it that way. That's as

00:14:19.080 far as I want to go on that, but I pray for him every day. But the fact is, is that we've had about 40

00:14:23.500 anti-popes in history. The fact is, is we had an Avignon papacy where the pope wasn't even in Rome for 70

00:14:29.720 years. The fact is that, you know, we've had some of these anti-popes who were reigning in Rome

00:14:34.400 while the genuine pope was in exile in some Italian town a few hundred miles away. The fact

00:14:39.620 is, is we had all of Christendom, Western Christendom, being divided between three claimants

00:14:44.800 to the papal throne. And there was actually a, I'm forgetting who it was at the moment, but this Irish

00:14:50.020 priest-theologian, very highly, I think John Henry Newman praised him very highly. He made a comment

00:14:55.740 in a book he wrote, I have the reference somewhere, but he basically said, you know, when you reflect

00:14:59.920 on the Western schism and all these sorts of things, if you had asked Catholic theologians

00:15:03.880 before the Western schism, could this have happened? Most of them would have said no.

00:15:09.780 They would have said no, the promises to Peter and whatnot, no, this wouldn't have been possible.

00:15:14.600 And so what, what this Irish theologian was taking from this was, was we need to be careful

00:15:20.600 to, with too much certainty, presume on what God will allow. Okay. So for me, coming from

00:15:29.320 Protestantism, I still see in the Catholic church, there, there's three big things Protestants,

00:15:35.000 I realized, reject, most Protestants reject, but I was seeing in the earliest fathers, apostolic

00:15:40.300 succession, baptismal regeneration, and, oh darn, what was the third one? I forget, but those two are

00:15:46.680 big enough. They reject them. And you see them in Clement, you see them in Ignatius, you see

00:15:50.520 them in Irenaeus, all that. So why are these disciples of the apostles believing things I was

00:15:54.780 told by Protestants were medieval? No, no, no. So my point being that, oh yeah, the worship,

00:16:00.280 the sacrifice of the Eucharist, that that is Christian worship. Okay. So those three things,

00:16:03.680 apostolic succession, baptismal regeneration, sacrifice of the Eucharist. These are still

00:16:07.580 crystal clear, the Ten Commandments being binding. I mean, when I was a Protestant, you'd hear guys like

00:16:12.840 John Piper, who's a good guy in many ways, but, you know, have a question, are the Ten Commandments

00:16:17.220 binding on Christians? He's like, no. I mean, Protestants aren't even clear about whether the

00:16:21.380 Ten Commandments are binding. In the Catholic Church, that's never been a question. Of course,

00:16:25.120 the Ten Commandments are binding. Okay. So are the structure of the church, the worship of the church,

00:16:30.860 how we become Christians, the basics of the moral life, all these things remain, largely speaking,

00:16:37.920 crystal clear and settled. And I really don't need the latest commentary from a pope or a bishop

00:16:44.900 to know that. Now, how all of it will be resolved, I frankly don't know. I frankly don't know. I do

00:16:52.120 think the typology of the passion of our Lord, the church does teach in the Catechism that as our Lord

00:16:57.760 went through a passion in His individual body, the church will go through a passion in our Lord's

00:17:03.600 mystical body. So again, this is a topic I've studied deeply. We probably can't go into it all right

00:17:08.280 now. But I do believe the typology of the passion is extremely powerful. One point here, and again,

00:17:14.640 maybe this is why I have a lot of peace, because I think a lot of these things line up. And they line

00:17:19.060 up so well that for the parts I can't explain, I just trust our Lord. And I want to be typologically

00:17:25.060 with St. John and Our Lady at the cross and just suffer it well. But the catacomb, when it stops

00:17:30.580 restraining, we know from the fathers, St. Robert Bellarmine talks about this, there's a unanimous

00:17:35.040 consensus among the fathers that in the second three and a half years of Antichrist reign, there's a

00:17:40.400 seven-year reign. First three and a half years seem to be pretty good, at least outwardly. The

00:17:44.620 second three and a half years are when it gets awful. But that at the beginning of that three

00:17:48.540 and a half years, Antichrist will bring the public celebration of the Mass to an end.

00:17:54.040 Okay? So there's this Eucharistic element to the Antichrist. Now, how is it all connected? I'm

00:18:01.220 going to introduce something just really quick. So to kind of expand on St. Augustine, City of God,

00:18:05.540 City of Man, that St. Augustine and Many Fathers also talk, there's an overlap. If you have a Venn

00:18:10.340 diagram, there's an overlap between the two. And that overlap, that dark side of the church,

00:18:14.860 so to speak, is the Antichurch. They don't use that term, but that's a term in use a lot today.

00:18:19.840 It is those who within the church who receive baptism, have the mark of baptism on their soul,

00:18:24.980 are nominally Catholics, perhaps, but they're working against Christ. Now, to be clear, all of us can

00:18:30.680 potentially be part of this Antichurch. When we choose to mortally sin, we become, we're not really

00:18:35.460 fully incorporated into the body of Christ at that point. We need to come back and return. So

00:18:39.920 lest any of us think it's always them, you know, like it can be us too. But this Antichurch,

00:18:45.780 I believe, is this mystery of iniquity. And so the constant pattern throughout history

00:18:49.320 is that the world outside the church and the Antichurch within the church, they're part of

00:18:55.780 what many of the fathers referred to, and even St. Thomas Aquinas, as the body of the devil.

00:18:59.600 And so this mystery of iniquity is the, what's in the church and what's outside the church, and they

00:19:05.620 both team up and war against the church. This is the constant pattern in history. There's a whole lot

00:19:11.680 of typology of it, even in the Old Testament with Israel. It's fascinating. So when you look at how did

00:19:17.800 our Lord's passion begin, I was just reading a sermon from St. John Chrysostom about this. In St.

00:19:23.240 John's gospel, John asks our Lord, you know, who is it? Who is the one will, who betray you? And Jesus,

00:19:29.060 apparently quietly says, because the other apostles don't seem to be aware, says the one who I give

00:19:33.800 this morsel to. Well, most of the fathers believe this was the Eucharist. And so he gives the Eucharist

00:19:39.080 to Judas. And then scripture has something very disturbing, but very interesting, and makes total

00:19:44.440 sense in light of Catholic theology. Right when Judas receives it, Satan enters into him. Why? Well,

00:19:52.460 we know from John 6, the very first time that St. John identifies Judas as the betrayer is in John 6.

00:19:59.060 When our Lord is having the most explicit explication of the real, of his real presence

00:20:04.260 in the Eucharist. And it says that Judas didn't believe. Okay. So bringing this all together,

00:20:10.800 I believe, and I think many great saints have talked about this, that the sacrifice of the mass

00:20:16.040 keeps a whole lot at bay. Our Lady of Fatima, you know, the first Saturday devotion, all the devotions,

00:20:20.800 it's all, it's a go to confession and go to mass, right? It holds something terrible at bay

00:20:26.260 because it's the sacrifice of the new Adam to the father, right? And so when we get to the point

00:20:32.500 where Antichrist will suspend the public celebration of the mass, I personally believe,

00:20:38.600 hypologically, it lines up very, very well with this Judas figure receiving it and Satan entering

00:20:43.720 into him. And frankly, all the liturgical abuses we've seen over the last 60 years. Whenever there's a

00:20:51.400 liturgical abuse, a sacrilege, whatnot against our Lord in the Eucharist, people need to understand

00:20:55.340 it is equivalent to crucifying our Lord again. St. Paul says this. And so that means that with all

00:21:04.580 those abuses, our Lord is being crucified in his own house, in his own temple. And so that will be

00:21:13.460 brought to an end by God. But when it's brought to an end, it will be for the purpose of drawing those

00:21:18.700 who don't love Christ and truth into condemnation and ultimately refining and proving those who do.

00:21:25.160 And I think in that interim period, there will be a whole lot of mystery. And as St. Pope Gregory the

00:21:30.120 Great says, those who persevere to the end, a great deal of their merit will be because they will have

00:21:36.160 to rely on what they know to be true and not what they're seeing. So I take great comfort in that,

00:21:41.300 frankly. Pope Gregory the Great is in the 500s. He was seeing it that clearly. And whether we're in

00:21:46.880 that time now or not, I frankly think we are. I could be wrong. I'm not dogmatic about these

00:21:53.900 things. But there's a great deal of understanding in the Fathers about this dynamic. And so I'm like,

00:22:01.240 okay, there's a lot more in the Catholic tradition and Catholic history to explain this enough to where

00:22:07.540 I can be comfortable, you know, suffering without knowing. So

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00:22:40.340 We already experienced the shutdown of the mass for the first time in world history. With COVID and

00:22:46.560 the whole emergency, whatever, whatever, came the stoppage of the mass really worldwide. We watched

00:22:51.500 the mass go dark worldwide. And I was, because I too. That was my first Easter. John Henry, that was my

00:23:00.180 first Easter as a cat. Yeah, it was very surreal. That's like a bit of a dry run for what we're

00:23:09.080 expecting to come one day. Horrific. I mean, do you see that as some relation to where we are today?

00:23:17.960 Because it's too weird that that happened for an extended period of time. And that we know this is

00:23:25.720 coming again. So the possibility of doing that isn't remote anymore. Because someone might have said,

00:23:29.500 if someone told us 10 years ago, we're going to shut the mass down. No, all the countries in the

00:23:33.960 world, no, no, no, we're going to do it of their own accord. Just, we'll do it. Because, you know,

00:23:38.620 they will. And, you know, nobody's going to rebel. Priests aren't going to rebel. Nope. Generally,

00:23:43.120 by and large, the whole world, everybody, you'll see, every bishop, everybody. And someone 10 years

00:23:47.840 ago would have laughed in your face. I think it's undeniably a possibility. I mean,

00:23:52.580 how could anybody deny that possibility? It does seem that many forces in this world are particularly

00:23:58.680 focused on 2030. I find that interesting. I have a theory, if any of this is all true. I think it's

00:24:06.880 potentially related to being the 2000th anniversary of either our Lord's crucifixion or the beginning of

00:24:14.960 his public ministry, one or the other. So I don't know. Again, I'm constantly torn between how much

00:24:23.180 how much do we and you're not doing this all. It's one of the reasons I always watch you because

00:24:27.360 you just have such a healthy perspective on these things. But you both don't deny what's right in

00:24:31.920 front of us. But we always have to maintain the primacy of, you know, faith, hope and love for

00:24:37.180 God and for neighbor. And Monsignor Dillon does that in this book very clearly. He says the key way that

00:24:44.420 Catholics conquer is love and sacrifice, you know, and so I think we very much need to keep that in

00:24:50.560 mind. I think it's very possibly a dry run, as you say. And it was very, I remember Eric Salmon's

00:24:57.480 releasing that map that he did, I think, in March. You probably remember where, you know, as the states,

00:25:03.340 as the various dioceses went black, so to speak, he would fill it in. And within days, the whole country

00:25:09.940 was black. I mean, we do know from Scripture that the only person who does that firmly and finally

00:25:16.600 is Antichrist. And frankly, this is where there's more typology that's very interesting. In the books

00:25:23.240 of Maccabees, you know, Daniel prophesies an abomination of desolation. Jesus talks about it

00:25:31.040 in his Olivet Discourse. You know, again, it's one of those topics that is somewhat mysterious. People

00:25:36.440 don't quite know what it is. But in the books of Maccabees, there's a broad agreement that at

00:25:41.100 least a pre-fulfillment of that prophecy was in the books of Maccabees and fulfilled in a type of

00:25:46.260 the Antichrist, Antiochus Epiphanes, who was the Greek king. And it's very interesting, Antiochus

00:25:51.120 Epiphanes, who ruled over Judea at that time, he was one of the successor kingdoms from Alexander the

00:25:55.780 Great, you know, of the Alexander the Great Empire, and it divides into four, as Daniel prophesies.

00:26:00.300 And so Antiochus Epiphanes, he writes a letter to all of his kingdom. And he basically says,

00:26:06.720 I want you all to kind of drop your national identities and become one culture, become one

00:26:12.400 society. It's very, he wanted to Hellenize them. He wanted them to all be Greek, right?

00:26:18.260 And then, of course, it's also very interesting, there is a large contingent of Jews

00:26:22.080 among the Jews who wanted to help him do it, okay? And then we also know that a pre-fulfillment

00:26:29.960 of this abomination of desolation was when Antiochus Epiphanes was escorted into the Holy

00:26:36.420 of Holies. And the scripture itself is a little unclear on what happened, but something happened,

00:26:41.160 either a pagan idol was erected in the Holy of Holies, or, you know, Antiochus, being a Gentile,

00:26:47.360 went in a place he was strictly forbidden to go. So he kind of contaminated the temple and the

00:26:51.960 Jewish view at the time. And immediately after that happens, pagan altars, the scripture says,

00:26:57.720 start popping up all over Israel. And then what's also interesting is he was escorted into the Holy

00:27:04.600 of Holies by somebody who was presumably the high priest, Menelaus. But the scripture makes clear

00:27:11.780 he wasn't a valid high priest. Menelaus had stolen it from his brother, Jason, and Jason had stolen it

00:27:20.200 from the valid high priest, Onias, through Simony. And the books of Maccabees quite literally say

00:27:26.840 about Jason, he was no high priest. And Onias was being kept somewhere. And then right after Antiochus

00:27:35.840 goes into the temple, Onias is murdered. So in other words, a false high priest escorted a type of the

00:27:43.680 Antichrist into the temple. We're in a time period where I don't think typology like that can be

00:27:49.440 ignored. I'm not presuming to say how it should be interpreted, but it's there. It's there. And maybe

00:27:57.540 it means nothing, but maybe it means something significant. But again, through studying the

00:28:02.080 patristic foundation, through studying what the church has always said, through studying the scriptures,

00:28:06.980 I think private revelation and whatnot can be helpful. But I think our foundation has to be the

00:28:11.440 scriptures and the fathers. I have found a whole lot in there that provide some data points that I think

00:28:17.720 are, they're revealing enough. I'll just put it that way, for me to be willing to suffer through it

00:28:23.620 with a sense of hopeful resignation. Beautiful. Joshua, Charles. Wow, what a fascinating tour.

00:28:31.220 Where can we get the war of the Antichrist with the church and Christian civilization?

00:28:36.040 On Tan's website, Amazon. And this really was a labor of love. Like I said, it's the first time

00:28:42.340 it's been fully republished in about 140 years. There have been some partial republishings in the

00:28:46.720 past. And then I wrote a pretty extensive introduction, kind of explaining these things,

00:28:51.000 citing a ton of quotes from Pope Leo, some quotes from some Masonic sources, kind of laying out this

00:28:56.540 fundamental difference between occultism and the faith we were earlier talking about. And then a lot of

00:29:01.020 explanatory footnotes throughout the book. You know, there's all sorts of figures that Monsignor

00:29:04.860 Dylan mentions that most people today probably aren't familiar with. So I'll provide a little

00:29:08.700 mini biography of them so they have a sense of what it is. But they'll see that this occult agenda

00:29:13.980 is actually very political. It was very, very political. So you can get it on Tan, Amazon.

00:29:19.280 And then my Twitter is just at Joshua T. Charles. And then my website's just joshuatcharles.com.

00:29:25.340 Joshua, thank you so very much. God bless you. And God bless all of you. And we'll see you next time.

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The John-Henry Westen Show - May 30, 2023

PART 2： Freemasonry, the Black Hand, and ‘War with the Antichrist’ ｜ Joshua Charles

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