In the last few weeks, we ve seen parents accused of transphobia over concerns about ultra-sexual drag queen readings to their four-year-olds, public schools across America reading kids' transgender propaganda, and female sports teams in the U.S. being denied their victories, their scholarships, and their recognition by men claiming to be women in running, swimming, cycling, and other sports. In Canada, a father was unable to stop his 12-year old daughter, encouraged by her school, from being given hormone treatment which will permanently affect her, making her unable to ever have children. And one court even ordered him to affirm his son as a girl, and calling him by a female name. Author and speaker Jason Everett joins me to talk about the controversial subject of gender dysphoria.
00:00:00.440Welcome to this episode of the John Henry Weston Show. Today we are talking with author and speaker Jason Everett about the hugely controversial subject of gender.
00:00:09.520We've seen parents forced to allow the so-called gender transitioning of their children, drag queen story hours for children exploding all over.
00:00:55.600We are dealing with an issue today that has, in the last few months, gone absolutely crazy.
00:01:01.820In the last few weeks even, we've seen parents accused of transphobia over concerns about ultra-sexual drag queen readings to their four-year-olds.
00:01:10.980We've seen public schools across America reading kids' transgender propaganda.
00:01:17.340We've seen female sports in an uproar as men, claiming to be female, are allowed to complete.
00:01:23.500And thus, female athletes are being denied their victories, their scholarships, their recognition is being stolen by men claiming to be women in running, swimming, cycling, boxing, wrestling, and many more sports.
00:01:35.500Finally, in the absolutely horrific cases, both in Canada and the United States, where parents are being forced to allow so-called transition of their minor children.
00:01:46.020In Canada, we have the case of Ron Hoogland, who was unable to stop his 12-year-old daughter, encouraged by her school, from being given hormone treatment, which will permanently affect her, making her unable to ever have children.
00:01:59.480In the U.S., we have the Jeffrey Younger case, who was unable to stop his ex-wife from giving his 7-year-old son puberty blockers.
00:02:06.220And one court even ordered him to affirm his son as a girl and calling him by a female name.
00:02:15.140Unbelievable stuff that we're dealing with here.
00:02:30.980I know a young lady that was going to Stanford University, and she showed me her cell phone, and she said, look, I'm going to Stanford next year, and I have to pick my gender to get it at Stanford.
00:02:41.280And she started scrolling through the list of genders, and there were 18 to pick from, and male and female were not even options on the list.
00:03:43.620And so even though your body might be declaring male or female, that's not a reliable source.
00:03:49.980You want to judge what you feel that you are.
00:03:52.960And in contrast, this idea that our bodies are meaningless.
00:03:56.540St. John Paul II has given us this teaching of the theology of the body, which proclaims that the body is meaningful, that our gender is not something to be decided or discovered or declared.
00:04:08.600You know, our gender is a gift to be received from the Father, and it's full of meaning.
00:04:14.420And, you know, obviously people who experience gender dysphoria, they deserve our respect, our compassion, and our love.
00:04:21.460But in my opinion, that if you love someone, you can't lie to them.
00:04:24.940And it is not love to allow someone to believe a delusion.
00:04:32.400And so we have to have the courage to point out that the things that you were mentioning at the top of the show about these dads being forced to allow their seven-year-old kids to transition.
00:04:51.300Your kid, your teenager, your coworker might resent you right now for not going along with the transgender ideology.
00:04:57.780But I firmly believe that if you do not speak the truth to them in love, then they will resent you much more later on for having gone along with this delusion instead of speaking the truth to them in love.
00:05:10.960So what are the harms to young people or people in general from being transitioned?
00:05:17.800At LifeSite, we've actually covered many stories of the regret and hardship of men and women and what they have to endure going through all of these very damaging practices.
00:05:28.200There are surgeries that basically castrate men and remove the breasts of women.
00:05:35.340Yeah, I was just speaking to one of them a few weeks ago.
00:05:37.900I'm sure you're familiar with him, Walt Heyer.
00:05:39.880This guy runs a website called Sex Change Regret, and he's just one among many people who call themselves de-transitioners.
00:05:48.440You can find their interviews or videos all over YouTube where they are proclaiming, like, hey, people, if you're experiencing gender dysphoria and you're being told that if you just go through this, you know, hormone therapy and cross-sex hormones and all this stuff that, you know, these hormone puberty blockers, that this is going to be the answer and your problem is going to go away.
00:06:07.620Look, trust me, I went through the whole thing.
00:06:10.220These women who had these radical double mastectomies and these guys who went through chemical castration and physical castration and thought that that would be the solution to the problem, now they're speaking out and saying not only did this not solve the problem, this only created more problems.
00:06:26.180And so I would recommend to anyone who's sitting there thinking that this gender theory is some harmless ideology that helps people discover their true identity, go watch some of the testimonies of these de-transitioners.
00:06:37.880This is not the answer to the problem.
00:06:39.540In fact, you know, these people have spoken that, look, when you go through this gender reassignment surgery, the suicide rate of individuals after the surgery is 19 times higher than the general population.
00:06:52.180And people will say, well, that's just because we live in a transphobic society that's failing to accept and, you know, respect and welcome these people.
00:07:00.980Well, that study of the 19 times is higher.
00:07:16.400One of the most sexually progressive cultures that's welcoming of this gender ideology.
00:07:21.420And it's the people there that admit after going through this transition, their problems did not dissipate because more often than not, gender dysphoria is one point in a constellation of often mental health issues and life problems these individuals struggle with.
00:07:38.540It might be in addition to autism, anxiety, depression, divorce, abuse, all kinds of stuff.
00:07:45.020And it's almost like if a person struggles with, you know, an eating, you know, disorder, like anorexia, they might think, you know what, I've got so much going wrong in my life right now.
00:07:56.020But if I can just control my body, if I can just control my diet, at least I feel like I have control of some part of my life.
00:08:02.320And often with the whole transgender issue, they feel like if I can just control, you know, my gender identity or expression, life is going to be a lot better.
00:08:11.540And then they go through the hormones and the surgery and these deeper issues still remain.
00:08:16.140What these individuals need is not for someone just to condone their behavior, but to someone to accompany them in love.
00:08:23.280And that's what the church is inviting people to do for these individuals.
00:08:25.940So this issue is seemingly so toxic that people, if they tweet or suggest anything in their jobs about this topic, they can lose their jobs.
00:08:39.540Things have become so extreme that violent criminals who are men, even sexually violent criminals, are then able to say they're women and get allowed into women's prisons.
00:08:51.700We seem to have completely lost our minds in all of this.
00:09:36.100Well, we need to read up on some of this stuff, because in order, the biological markers of sex are not simply chromosomal, because there are disorders of sexual development that can occur.
00:09:46.880Whether it's people who experience things like Turner syndrome, Klinefelter's, complete androgen insufficiency syndrome.
00:09:54.480And some of those things will allow a woman chromosomally to appear as a man.
00:09:59.800But because she's not able, her body does not develop as a male, even though she has certain chromosomes, she remains fully biologically a female.
00:10:08.720And so we need to read up on this stuff, because oftentimes people within the gender theory camp will try to use these disorders of sexual development as biological evidence that sex is not binary, that it's somehow a spectrum.
00:10:22.740But people who do experience these disorders of sexual development tend to be very resentful when they're used as pawns for gender theory, as if their disorder constitute a third, fourth, or fifth sex.
00:10:36.960And so we need to read up on this stuff.
00:10:38.760So that way, we're not trying to pretend like this is simpler than it is.
00:10:43.400And we need to approach these people first with lots of compassion and respect and love.
00:10:49.200It's not a matter of like, look, you're male or female.
00:10:51.800If you don't like it, well, you're wrong.
00:10:53.420And, you know, you know, you can believe your own opinion and be wrong.
00:10:56.100Like, it's just, it's just going to put these people off.
00:10:58.700We need to take an interest in their entire life, not simply their gender dysphoria.
00:11:04.040We need to, if they're in our life, to go shopping with them, to be praying with them, to spend time with them, go to the movies with them.
00:11:09.920And don't treat them like their entire life is gender dysphoria.
00:11:14.460That's like if you had a friend who experienced same-sex attractions and every time you got around them, that's all you talked about.
00:11:20.660Well, they wouldn't want to be around you very long.
00:11:23.600We need to realize that people are more than their attractions or, you know, their difficulties.
00:11:29.620And so we need to make sure that these people first realize that they're loved by us.
00:11:34.560Because the world has already told them, look, people are either going to endorse and accept what you believe on gender theory or they hate you and they're bigoted, transphobic, ignorant people.
00:11:46.980And so those are the only two people that exist.
00:11:49.120And so it's basically either you're going to affirm me or you're going to abandon me.
00:11:53.680And the church would step in and say this is a false dichotomy.
00:11:57.320I'm not going to affirm you, nor will I abandon you.
00:12:00.500I will accompany you in the truth and love that your body is you.
00:12:06.120That if I were to hit you and you said, why did you hit me?
00:12:09.540I couldn't say, well, I didn't hit you.
00:12:11.340I just hit your body because we are our bodies.
00:12:14.740Our bodies are not something we have like a pair of jeans.
00:12:18.140You know, our body is who we are and it reveals who we are.
00:12:21.360And so your masculinity and your femininity, your manhood, womanhood is not determined by how manly you feel or how feminine you feel.
00:12:30.200Because, look, there's a lot of problems with gender stereotypes today that you're not a real man unless you're into drinking beer and shooting deer and watching NASCAR.
00:13:31.460And this book tackles the topic of gender theory from sociology, public policy, medicine, psychology, interpersonal relations.
00:13:41.420And it's very sound evidence, very thorough little research, not from a religious perspective.
00:13:46.420But he represents a very convincing and bold case that accompanying these people along this path of gender theory that, oh, it's OK if you want to do that.
00:14:35.820I mean, I honestly do not know if I have ever heard a homily boldly speaking into this topic.
00:14:42.760And I don't think it's simply a matter of, oh, well, there's there's young kids in the audience.
00:14:46.340And so, you know, we don't want to bring up too many tough questions.
00:14:48.860Well, you know, I believe there's ways to address this that are age appropriate, that you could shoot over the heads of the kids and land into the heart of the adults.
00:14:57.220But, you know, unfortunately, for whatever reason, I don't know, you know, priests just aren't touching this from the pulpit.
00:15:03.060And as a result, where are lay people going to be formed on this subject?
00:15:07.040You know, where are they going to hear sound guidance that you can speak the truth in love and not be a hateful human being?
00:15:14.600You know, we need to be shown how to preach the truth in love.
00:15:17.380And unfortunately, we're not seeing a lot of that.
00:15:19.100Yeah. And besides which is being taught in all the public schools to real minors.
00:15:24.960Parents were objecting to their four year olds at the public library being read to by a drag queen.
00:15:30.900And this is all going on for the little kids.
00:15:34.800So if anything, our, you know, pastors really need to come out and give the truth, even to the little ones, maybe in simple ways, but definitely arm the parents so that they can go forward with the truth.
00:15:45.640So this has been so difficult in the church, because while you mentioned Pope Francis has talked about ideological colonization in this context,
00:15:54.700he's also done some very strange things, which really give people question about where he, in fact, stands on the issue.
00:16:02.360He was asked on a plane if, you know, he had dealt with how to be pastorally concerned or pastorally care for transgender couples.
00:16:11.800And he mentioned, oh, well, he had invited a transgender couple to the Vatican and they came to the Vatican.
00:16:18.340There's a photo of it available there.
00:16:20.100And in fact, weirdly enough, he ends the pronoun war, as we sometimes call it.
00:16:27.500The, you know, people want to be called by their so-called preferred gender rather than just naming them what they are, male or female.
00:16:33.540And yet the Pope himself names this, this woman, a man, she said, he said, and I'll quote it for you, she who was he, but is now her.
00:16:52.180But at the same time, he's said a number of times about ideological colonization and how this is wrong.
00:16:57.700So what kind of direction would you like to see coming from our spiritual leaders?
00:17:04.820One that's consistent, I think would be great.
00:17:07.340I mean, the Holy Father has said some, you know, fantastic things about gender ideology that I think that are spot on.
00:17:13.740I mean, in his, you know, when in Laudato Si, when he's speaking on the environment, he speaks about a human ecology, meaning, you know, we have to accept the environment of the world as it is and appreciate and accept that and protect it.
00:17:25.380And he said, we have to do the same thing with the human body, whether you're male or female, that's a gift from God and we need to embrace and accept that.
00:17:34.600A couple other quotes from him that I thought were great.
00:17:37.020He's speaking about when we become overly rigid in terms of gender stereotypes.
00:17:42.160He said, such rigidity in turn can hinder the development of an individual's abilities.
00:17:47.540The point of leading him or her to think, for example, it's not really masculine to cultivate art or dance, not really feminine to exercise leadership.
00:17:54.720I really liked when he said this because he's pointing out the problem is not your gender.
00:17:59.300The problem is on these unfair gender stereotypes.
00:18:02.220And he goes on, and this I think already nailed it.
00:18:04.380He said, I asked myself if the so-called gender theory is not at the same time an expression of frustration and resignation that seeks to cancel out sexual difference because it no longer knows how to deal with it.
00:18:20.200The removal of difference, in fact, creates a problem and not a solution.
00:18:25.420And so when the Holy Father speaks in this manner, I mean, he's spot on.
00:18:28.740And it's like, okay, this is what we need, this clear guidance.
00:18:31.220But then when he refers to a man as she or a female to a he, then we're taking that step backwards that he was talking about.
00:18:38.920And I think what we really need here is clear and consistent teaching that, yes, you know, we need a pastoral and loving response to these individuals.
00:18:46.500But it needs to be one that does not compromise speaking them the truth.
00:18:50.920And so using a person's preferred pronouns, whether it's ze or zen or he or she or whatever, if that is not in alignment with your biological sex, you're not speaking the truth and lie.
00:19:06.480Well, you know, you're calling out the pope here.
00:19:08.640Well, I mean, we need to remember that, you know, Paul called out Peter.
00:19:11.860You know, I called him out to his face, it says it in the scripture, and confronted him because he was clearly wrong in this disciplinary matter, you know, in the church.
00:19:19.540And so in the same way, the Holy Father, the charism of infallibility does not mean that he's infallible in all of his pastoral approaches and everything that he says off the cuff in an Italian interview on some plane ride to Bolivia or whatever.
00:19:34.980You know, it does not guard him in infallibility in every journalistic interview that he conducts.
00:19:40.260And so as the lay people, in a spirit of obedience to the Holy Father, you know, to the church, and as good sons and daughters of the church, we're able to say, hey, this pastoral approach is not helping.
00:19:56.720But to go to the point where we're endorsing gender theory and calling males females, well, this is certainly, I don't think, helping the matter.
00:20:05.940Now, this is an interesting thing because a lot of people suggest, even some spiritual leaders suggest, well, you know, maybe we can just tell them what they want to hear for now and kind of that way bring them in.
00:20:19.720You know, yeah, you're using the pronouns that they want, and yeah, you might call them married and accept them.
00:20:25.060It's kind of like a Father James Martin approach.
00:20:27.700Just bring them in, and hopefully, maybe, you know, it'll rub off, and eventually they'll get to the fullness of truth.
00:20:33.620Can't we give them this sort of graduated approach whereby we make them comfortable?
00:20:39.200That type of accompaniment, does that work at all?
00:20:42.420Well, for one, we've got to understand, okay, where do you start that, and when would you even stop that?
00:20:46.240And what I mean is that the gender transition has four major steps in it.
00:20:50.540The first is social transitioning, meaning you change your preferred pronouns, the restroom you use, the way that you present yourself, the clothing you choose, and so it's an external, you know, transition.
00:21:02.240The next step for the young people would be puberty blockers, where you're giving pre-adolescent kids potent sex hormones that are blocking the development of puberty, thus, in effect, chemically castrating these kids.
00:21:16.240And then after that, it goes to cross-sex hormone therapy, where you're giving girls testosterone and boys estrogen to effeminize the males and masculinize the females.
00:21:27.840And then you follow that up with gender reassignment surgery.
00:21:32.200It's like, okay, at what point do we stop just saying, hey, you do your thing, you do your thing.
00:21:37.040Okay, well, you've just neutered this individual.
00:21:43.640What are you going to go like, okay, I'm glad you changed your mind three years later, but not only will your children exist, your descendants for generations will never come to be because I just patted you along because you wanted to believe this thing.
00:21:56.680I think these individuals typically have a whole culture behind them saying, you do you.
00:22:05.140How many people do they have in their lives, not that will hate them and shame them, but will love them enough to speak the truth about what gender dysphoria is?
00:22:14.800I remember speaking at a high school up in Canada and the principal before the talk told me, she said, please do not during your presentation say anything about gender or homosexuality.
00:22:27.800And she said, well, I just walked into the bathroom the other day and there's some transgender boys slashing his wrist open bloody in the bathroom.
00:22:35.660And if these kids feel any more persecuted and hated, they're just going to jump off the bridge.
00:22:40.280And I said, ma'am, I fully understand the difficulties they're under, but I said, can I just share with you what I would say to the kids?
00:22:46.800And then you can tell me if you want me to say that or not.
00:22:49.260And I gave her the five minute spiel and she said, oh, please say that to the kids.
00:22:53.780And so we, they need someone in their lives, loving them enough to tell them the truth.
00:22:58.560I mean, a friend of mine was up there speaking in Canada.
00:23:00.440And after the talk, a teacher said, I just want to let you know, this is the chaplain, that you really offended one of our students in your school by what you said.
00:23:09.780And my friend said, well, what is it that I said?
00:23:11.780And they said, well, you, during your talk, you said that just because you practice chastity, it doesn't mean that you're asexual.
00:23:18.260And that really offended them because they identify as asexual.
00:23:22.140And my friend said, they, how many did I offend?
00:23:24.720And they said, oh, just one, but she identifies as they.
00:23:27.900And my friend said to the chaplain, now, you just go along with this, that you have a female who considers herself to be an asexual being using a plural pronoun.
00:23:39.700And you're just going along with this because you don't want to offend her.
00:23:46.620And unfortunately, it's feeding into a mental disorder.
00:23:49.660And gosh, what a, the care for children, the care for young people is being abandoned left, right and center by adults who want to be politically correct.
00:24:02.700And unfortunately, there's this whole cultural push right now.
00:24:06.900As I said at the beginning of the program, people have lost jobs and are sanctioned at work and by their friends and colleagues for standing up for the truth, even in charitable ways.
00:24:19.420So we are, in fact, at a time already where there's a, there's this type of persecution, if you will, a social persecution for saying and doing the right things.
00:24:29.800How have you personally dealt with such things?
00:24:32.880I'm sure you've, you've had a lot of, of, of antagonism your way for what you've said, especially on this issue.
00:24:39.960And have you found that with this particular issue, it's more severe than other issues that you address?
00:24:45.720This is the most volatile reactions from people.
00:24:49.380Now, I don't have individuals coming up with a talk after I speak and being angry at me about these things just because I do my best to speak with just compassion and love and respect and reminding these individuals that the church is your home and God loves you.
00:25:05.500And, you know, I, I try to explain to these individuals, you know, God's plan for their life and these things.
00:25:10.620And so I don't end up with a lot of arguments after these presentations.
00:25:13.400I think the challenge comes in when I'm coming to speak into a community and some people in the administration will be like, wait a minute, this guy teaches that there's only two genders.
00:25:22.840You know, this guy teaches marriage is what, you know, we can't tolerate this hate speech in our community.
00:25:27.620We need to block him from even coming.
00:25:29.780And so that happened just last month over in Ireland.
00:25:32.320People heard that I was coming and speaking and they banned me from speaking at a university and the hotel where I was going to speak at a Catholic conference that he is not allowed on the premises.
00:25:42.920We don't want all the negative press Catholic schools backed out.
00:25:46.540And so it wasn't the kids saying we don't want this.
00:25:49.020It was the administrators saying, look, we are too afraid to take this lightning bolt.
00:25:55.620So let's exclude these people that disagree with us.
00:25:58.640And so, you know, it's unfortunate, but you know what, it's going to be persecuted.
00:26:02.900I mean, you know, well, the words that Sister Lucia said to Cardinal Kephara, you know, that at the end of the time, I mean, the decisive battle between the kingdom of Satan and Lord will be over marriage and the family.
00:26:15.400And so we need to not be surprised when those who defend marriage and the family are going to be attacked and oppressed in every way.
00:26:21.840But she added, don't be afraid, because our lady has already crushed his head.
00:26:25.800And so in the midst of all of this, as crazy as it sometimes gets, we need to realize, hey, we need to be bold because what's going on in the world right now is almost for the first time ever, the whole institution is literally collaborating with mental illness instead of treating it.
00:26:41.920This is like someone coming to you with anorexia and saying, look, I am fat.
00:26:46.440And you look at him like, man, dude, you're 85 pounds.
00:27:09.060I mean, unfortunately, Dwayne Wade, who's an incredible basketball player, loved watching that guy, you know, his child has come out identifying as trans.
00:27:17.920And now Dwayne and his wife have said, hey, you know, we're on board.
00:27:20.980If that's what he wants to be there, she wants to be there, we'll go along with that.
00:27:24.680And it's sad because, you know, this man loves this child more than I ever could.
00:27:28.660But I think so many parents are just marinated in this culture of a false anthropology, thinking they're loving their children when they're actually leading them down a harmful path.
00:27:42.440These, the stories of the, this, well, Walt Heyer's whole effort is to get out the stories of those who regret this move, this sort of transition, so-called.
00:27:56.260And they're so, you see the damage that this causes, the kind of harm to the body, but also to their psychology and their soul.
00:28:05.720I mean, it's just absolutely devastating.
00:28:08.440You said you've, you've talked to Walt.
00:28:12.360How can we make those testimonies more, get them more out there?
00:28:16.480Because it's just so unbelievably sheltered.
00:28:19.580People don't know at all, even that this exists.
00:28:22.940There's a whole movement even of ex-gays, which is probably the most persecuted movement around, because they're not wanting to be heard by anybody.
00:28:31.460You know, have you, have you been able to get those messages out there, or are those generally rejected as well?
00:28:41.020Yeah, well, we do our best to try to promote them through social media, whether it's Walt's website, different videos that come out.
00:28:47.360Our website, chastity.com, has blogs on it.
00:28:51.680One was called, I Wished I Had Been Born a Boy.
00:28:54.800And another one was called, I Wished I Had Been Born a Girl.
00:28:57.200And these are individuals who share their experiences with gender dysphoria that like, hey, I went through this time in life that lasted for many years where I thought I wish I was that.
00:29:06.720But in time, I was able to work through that.
00:29:08.960And now you've got a woman saying, look, I'm happy being fully a woman.
00:29:19.760And unfortunately, nowadays, when a kid experiences anything other than the traditional gender stereotypes, they're kind of funneled into this idea of, well, you're probably trans because that's an experience that you're feeling.
00:29:32.360And so I think we need to realize, hey, there's lots of room for different personality types in the world.
00:29:37.840And if you don't fit a stereotype perfectly, it doesn't make you less of a man.
00:29:42.280In fact, like men out there who might be watching this, like let's say you experience same-sex attractions.
00:29:48.260Someone probably made you believe at some point that you're less of a man because you experience those attractions or desires.
00:29:54.740But I want to tell you that's a lie from the pit of hell.
00:29:59.480I mean I almost wish we could define manhood by how attracted we are to women because then, man, I would be such a man because I think women are so pretty.
00:30:50.980In the world, we're subjected to, everyone is subjected to sexual temptation.
00:30:56.660It's probably, it is the tool most used by Satan to get people out of a right relationship with God.
00:31:04.820And is there a way we can look to men and women who have same-sex attractions and are valiantly fighting against those?
00:31:12.640Or men who, or men or women who have these sort of gender dysphoria or feelings of that nature and yet struggle against this?
00:31:22.060How can we look to them as examples for us, the rest of us who don't experience those things, but nonetheless are struggling against other sexual temptations as models?
00:31:32.200Yeah, I think one thing we need to do is realize there's really in the church no such thing as us and them.
00:31:37.340You know, like those people who have seen same-sex attractions and us people who don't experience these attractions.
00:31:43.280It's like, look, our sexual attractions are not our identities.
00:31:54.300We all have our different brokenness and troubles and struggles and crosses that God allows us to experience.
00:32:00.160And honestly, I look forward to the day in the Catholic Church where we have canonized saints who had experienced gender dysphoria and same-sex attractions.
00:32:09.800I mean, you know how many people are in heaven right now who experienced same-sex attractions in their life?
00:32:14.580We may even have canonized saints who experienced same-sex attractions.
00:32:18.900We haven't heard their stories perhaps yet, but I think the day is coming.
00:32:22.440And so I look forward to that day where we have individuals who experienced these attractions and chose to glorify God in and through their bodies.
00:32:32.100And you can find some of these individuals at websites like EdenInvitation.com.
00:32:38.040Eden Invitation is a great Catholic website by young people who experience homosexual attractions and choose to practice chastity and pin their identity not in an LGBT paradigm,
00:32:49.480but to pin their identity as sons and daughters of God.
00:32:53.340And so if we take this God bless them, Father James Martin approach of like, hey, we're building bridges, you know, we love you, but we're not bringing them the gospel.
00:33:01.920I'm telling you that it's not building a bridge.
00:33:17.100It's going to be a demanding, you know, virtue at times, but God can do wonderful things.
00:33:21.460The question is, do we trust him with our bodies?
00:33:24.940And this is a question he asks all of us every day in a hundred different ways.
00:33:29.740And if we can trust the heart of the Father with our bodies, whether it's a dysphoria, an attraction, desire, an addiction, a temptation, we all got them at different levels.
00:33:40.080Let's trust the Father with our bodies and he'll never be outdone in generosity.