The John-Henry Westen Show - Pastors must speak the truth about LGBT to gender-confused people： Christian speaker

00:00:00.440 Welcome to this episode of the John Henry Weston Show. Today we are talking with author and speaker Jason Everett about the hugely controversial subject of gender.

00:00:09.520 We've seen parents forced to allow the so-called gender transitioning of their children, drag queen story hours for children exploding all over. 0.56

00:00:17.620 You'll want to stay tuned.

00:00:30.000 Let's begin as we always do with the sign of the cross.

00:00:44.340 In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.

00:00:50.100 Jason Everett, it's good to be with you again. Welcome to the program.

00:00:54.620 Thanks for having me on.

00:00:55.600 We are dealing with an issue today that has, in the last few months, gone absolutely crazy.

00:01:01.820 In the last few weeks even, we've seen parents accused of transphobia over concerns about ultra-sexual drag queen readings to their four-year-olds.

00:01:10.980 We've seen public schools across America reading kids' transgender propaganda.

00:01:17.340 We've seen female sports in an uproar as men, claiming to be female, are allowed to complete. 0.98

00:01:23.500 And thus, female athletes are being denied their victories, their scholarships, their recognition is being stolen by men claiming to be women in running, swimming, cycling, boxing, wrestling, and many more sports.

00:01:35.500 Finally, in the absolutely horrific cases, both in Canada and the United States, where parents are being forced to allow so-called transition of their minor children.

00:01:46.020 In Canada, we have the case of Ron Hoogland, who was unable to stop his 12-year-old daughter, encouraged by her school, from being given hormone treatment, which will permanently affect her, making her unable to ever have children.

00:01:59.480 In the U.S., we have the Jeffrey Younger case, who was unable to stop his ex-wife from giving his 7-year-old son puberty blockers.

00:02:06.220 And one court even ordered him to affirm his son as a girl and calling him by a female name.

00:02:15.140 Unbelievable stuff that we're dealing with here.

00:02:17.520 Jason, what can you tell us about it?

00:02:19.020 Yeah, it almost seems like, you know, just in the last 10 years, this has reached a pace that's hard to believe.

00:02:24.900 A friend of mine said, he said, I feel like the devil is making a run for it.

00:02:29.240 You know, just so much confusion.

00:02:30.980 I know a young lady that was going to Stanford University, and she showed me her cell phone, and she said, look, I'm going to Stanford next year, and I have to pick my gender to get it at Stanford.

00:02:41.280 And she started scrolling through the list of genders, and there were 18 to pick from, and male and female were not even options on the list.

00:02:50.380 Facebook offers its users.

00:02:52.420 Facebook, you're going to pick 58 genders.

00:02:54.560 Facebook in the U.K. is over 71.

00:02:56.540 One, Tumblr, which is a big website for the teens nowadays, offers a litany of more than 500 genders to select from.

00:03:05.100 And I think what's going on here is what Vatican II said, that when God is forgotten, the creature itself grows unintelligible.

00:03:13.520 So essentially, when we lose sight of divine and supernatural realities, we will lose sight even of natural reality.

00:03:20.520 Now, Jason, you've written a book on this subject.

00:03:23.640 What's the book called?

00:03:24.840 Where can they find it?

00:03:25.800 And what's it about?

00:03:27.400 I wrote a book called Theology of the Body in One Hour, and then a CD called Theology of Your Body.

00:03:33.920 And the idea there is that the world is really telling people that, you know, your body is really meaningless.

00:03:39.200 I mean, the body is not an indication of reality.

00:03:41.880 Your feelings are reality.

00:03:43.620 And so even though your body might be declaring male or female, that's not a reliable source.

00:03:49.980 You want to judge what you feel that you are.

00:03:52.960 And in contrast, this idea that our bodies are meaningless.

00:03:56.540 St. John Paul II has given us this teaching of the theology of the body, which proclaims that the body is meaningful, that our gender is not something to be decided or discovered or declared.

00:04:08.600 You know, our gender is a gift to be received from the Father, and it's full of meaning.

00:04:14.420 And, you know, obviously people who experience gender dysphoria, they deserve our respect, our compassion, and our love.

00:04:21.460 But in my opinion, that if you love someone, you can't lie to them.

00:04:24.940 And it is not love to allow someone to believe a delusion.

00:04:29.780 This isn't love.

00:04:30.680 It's simply false compassion.

00:04:32.400 And so we have to have the courage to point out that the things that you were mentioning at the top of the show about these dads being forced to allow their seven-year-old kids to transition.

00:04:42.460 I mean, let's just be clear.

00:04:44.300 This is child abuse.

00:04:46.360 That's what's going on right here.

00:04:47.980 This is simply child abuse.

00:04:50.080 And, yeah, you know what? 0.93

00:04:51.300 Your kid, your teenager, your coworker might resent you right now for not going along with the transgender ideology.

00:04:57.780 But I firmly believe that if you do not speak the truth to them in love, then they will resent you much more later on for having gone along with this delusion instead of speaking the truth to them in love.

00:05:10.960 So what are the harms to young people or people in general from being transitioned?

00:05:17.800 At LifeSite, we've actually covered many stories of the regret and hardship of men and women and what they have to endure going through all of these very damaging practices.

00:05:28.200 There are surgeries that basically castrate men and remove the breasts of women.

00:05:32.680 Just horrible stuff.

00:05:33.820 What can you tell us?

00:05:35.340 Yeah, I was just speaking to one of them a few weeks ago.

00:05:37.900 I'm sure you're familiar with him, Walt Heyer.

00:05:39.880 This guy runs a website called Sex Change Regret, and he's just one among many people who call themselves de-transitioners.

00:05:48.440 You can find their interviews or videos all over YouTube where they are proclaiming, like, hey, people, if you're experiencing gender dysphoria and you're being told that if you just go through this, you know, hormone therapy and cross-sex hormones and all this stuff that, you know, these hormone puberty blockers, that this is going to be the answer and your problem is going to go away.

00:06:07.620 Look, trust me, I went through the whole thing.

00:06:10.220 These women who had these radical double mastectomies and these guys who went through chemical castration and physical castration and thought that that would be the solution to the problem, now they're speaking out and saying not only did this not solve the problem, this only created more problems.

00:06:26.180 And so I would recommend to anyone who's sitting there thinking that this gender theory is some harmless ideology that helps people discover their true identity, go watch some of the testimonies of these de-transitioners. 1.00

00:06:37.880 This is not the answer to the problem.

00:06:39.540 In fact, you know, these people have spoken that, look, when you go through this gender reassignment surgery, the suicide rate of individuals after the surgery is 19 times higher than the general population.

00:06:52.180 And people will say, well, that's just because we live in a transphobic society that's failing to accept and, you know, respect and welcome these people.

00:07:00.980 Well, that study of the 19 times is higher.

00:07:03.580 This was done in Sweden.

00:07:05.340 Here's the study right here if you want to look it up.

00:07:07.640 It's called Long-Term Follow-Up of Transsexual Persons Undergoing Sex Reassignment Surgery. 0.75

00:07:13.520 Cohort study where?

00:07:15.660 In Sweden.

00:07:16.400 One of the most sexually progressive cultures that's welcoming of this gender ideology.

00:07:21.420 And it's the people there that admit after going through this transition, their problems did not dissipate because more often than not, gender dysphoria is one point in a constellation of often mental health issues and life problems these individuals struggle with.

00:07:38.540 It might be in addition to autism, anxiety, depression, divorce, abuse, all kinds of stuff.

00:07:45.020 And it's almost like if a person struggles with, you know, an eating, you know, disorder, like anorexia, they might think, you know what, I've got so much going wrong in my life right now.

00:07:56.020 But if I can just control my body, if I can just control my diet, at least I feel like I have control of some part of my life.

00:08:02.320 And often with the whole transgender issue, they feel like if I can just control, you know, my gender identity or expression, life is going to be a lot better. 0.95

00:08:11.540 And then they go through the hormones and the surgery and these deeper issues still remain.

00:08:16.140 What these individuals need is not for someone just to condone their behavior, but to someone to accompany them in love.

00:08:23.280 And that's what the church is inviting people to do for these individuals.

00:08:25.940 So this issue is seemingly so toxic that people, if they tweet or suggest anything in their jobs about this topic, they can lose their jobs.

00:08:39.540 Things have become so extreme that violent criminals who are men, even sexually violent criminals, are then able to say they're women and get allowed into women's prisons.

00:08:51.700 We seem to have completely lost our minds in all of this.

00:08:57.780 Two questions for you.

00:08:59.380 A, where do you see this going?

00:09:01.260 And B, how are we supposed to interact today?

00:09:06.100 You know, in our spheres at work, in social media, if we engage that way, what would you suggest we do?

00:09:14.800 Yeah, I think the first thing is we need to read up on this ourselves, because some people approach it with that black and white.

00:09:20.300 Look, this isn't that complicated.

00:09:21.980 You're either an XX or an XY chromosome, and that's it. 1.00

00:09:25.820 Well, that's biologically ignorant, you know, because some people have XXY chromosomes. 0.91

00:09:30.500 You know, some women have Y chromosomes, and they're fully female. 1.00

00:09:34.840 Well, how can this be?

00:09:36.100 Well, we need to read up on some of this stuff, because in order, the biological markers of sex are not simply chromosomal, because there are disorders of sexual development that can occur.

00:09:46.880 Whether it's people who experience things like Turner syndrome, Klinefelter's, complete androgen insufficiency syndrome.

00:09:54.480 And some of those things will allow a woman chromosomally to appear as a man. 0.99

00:09:59.800 But because she's not able, her body does not develop as a male, even though she has certain chromosomes, she remains fully biologically a female.

00:10:08.720 And so we need to read up on this stuff, because oftentimes people within the gender theory camp will try to use these disorders of sexual development as biological evidence that sex is not binary, that it's somehow a spectrum.

00:10:22.740 But people who do experience these disorders of sexual development tend to be very resentful when they're used as pawns for gender theory, as if their disorder constitute a third, fourth, or fifth sex.

00:10:36.960 And so we need to read up on this stuff.

00:10:38.760 So that way, we're not trying to pretend like this is simpler than it is.

00:10:42.240 This is a difficult issue.

00:10:43.400 And we need to approach these people first with lots of compassion and respect and love.

00:10:49.200 It's not a matter of like, look, you're male or female.

00:10:51.800 If you don't like it, well, you're wrong.

00:10:53.420 And, you know, you know, you can believe your own opinion and be wrong.

00:10:56.100 Like, it's just, it's just going to put these people off.

00:10:58.700 We need to take an interest in their entire life, not simply their gender dysphoria.

00:11:04.040 We need to, if they're in our life, to go shopping with them, to be praying with them, to spend time with them, go to the movies with them.

00:11:09.920 And don't treat them like their entire life is gender dysphoria.

00:11:14.460 That's like if you had a friend who experienced same-sex attractions and every time you got around them, that's all you talked about.

00:11:20.660 Well, they wouldn't want to be around you very long.

00:11:23.600 We need to realize that people are more than their attractions or, you know, their difficulties.

00:11:29.620 And so we need to make sure that these people first realize that they're loved by us. 0.99

00:11:34.560 Because the world has already told them, look, people are either going to endorse and accept what you believe on gender theory or they hate you and they're bigoted, transphobic, ignorant people. 0.98

00:11:46.980 And so those are the only two people that exist. 0.97

00:11:49.120 And so it's basically either you're going to affirm me or you're going to abandon me.

00:11:53.680 And the church would step in and say this is a false dichotomy.

00:11:57.320 I'm not going to affirm you, nor will I abandon you.

00:12:00.500 I will accompany you in the truth and love that your body is you.

00:12:06.120 That if I were to hit you and you said, why did you hit me?

00:12:09.540 I couldn't say, well, I didn't hit you.

00:12:11.340 I just hit your body because we are our bodies.

00:12:14.740 Our bodies are not something we have like a pair of jeans.

00:12:18.140 You know, our body is who we are and it reveals who we are.

00:12:21.360 And so your masculinity and your femininity, your manhood, womanhood is not determined by how manly you feel or how feminine you feel.

00:12:30.200 Because, look, there's a lot of problems with gender stereotypes today that you're not a real man unless you're into drinking beer and shooting deer and watching NASCAR.

00:12:40.540 Well, look, I'm not.

00:12:42.160 Like, I don't shoot deer.

00:12:44.180 I mean, I threw a rock at a bird when I was a kid and I still feel bad about that.

00:12:47.940 Like, I'm not a hunter.

00:12:49.640 You know, I don't enjoy watching NASCAR.

00:12:51.680 Honestly, I don't even like the taste of beer.

00:12:53.540 I like wine, but I'm not into beer.

00:12:55.700 And so I don't fit the perfect culture stereotypes of manhood and masculinity.

00:13:00.840 But that's OK, because I know I'm a man, not because I feel so manly.

00:13:05.700 I know that I'm a man because I have a body of the man.

00:13:08.640 And so that's what reveals to me my identity and also my calling to live in that image and likeness of Christ.

00:13:15.340 And so we need to make sure that we love these people.

00:13:18.200 We're able to speak the truth to them in a competent way.

00:13:20.820 If there's any resource I would recommend to our listeners, our viewers, it would be a book by Anderson, Ryan Anderson.

00:13:29.000 It's called When Harry Became Sally.

00:13:31.460 And this book tackles the topic of gender theory from sociology, public policy, medicine, psychology, interpersonal relations.

00:13:41.420 And it's very sound evidence, very thorough little research, not from a religious perspective.

00:13:46.420 But he represents a very convincing and bold case that accompanying these people along this path of gender theory that, oh, it's OK if you want to do that. 0.56

00:13:55.280 I accept it.

00:13:56.220 This is not what's doing what's best for these individuals in the short or the long term.

00:14:01.200 And he provides bulletproof evidence that this is not helping people to affirm their real identity.

00:14:07.760 If anything, we're simply giving them permission to reject their identity.

00:14:11.580 So, Jason, these are very hard issues and they've been hard not only to deal with by governments and schools and business and so on.

00:14:20.200 It's also difficult inside the church.

00:14:22.300 A lot of clergy are reticent to go there.

00:14:25.880 How many times have you heard a homily talking about homosexuality or transgender issues from the pulpit anyway? 0.89

00:14:31.700 I don't know if I ever have.

00:14:35.820 I mean, I honestly do not know if I have ever heard a homily boldly speaking into this topic.

00:14:42.760 And I don't think it's simply a matter of, oh, well, there's there's young kids in the audience.

00:14:46.340 And so, you know, we don't want to bring up too many tough questions.

00:14:48.860 Well, you know, I believe there's ways to address this that are age appropriate, that you could shoot over the heads of the kids and land into the heart of the adults.

00:14:57.220 But, you know, unfortunately, for whatever reason, I don't know, you know, priests just aren't touching this from the pulpit.

00:15:03.060 And as a result, where are lay people going to be formed on this subject?

00:15:07.040 You know, where are they going to hear sound guidance that you can speak the truth in love and not be a hateful human being?

00:15:14.600 You know, we need to be shown how to preach the truth in love.

00:15:17.380 And unfortunately, we're not seeing a lot of that.

00:15:19.100 Yeah. And besides which is being taught in all the public schools to real minors.

00:15:24.960 Parents were objecting to their four year olds at the public library being read to by a drag queen. 1.00

00:15:30.900 And this is all going on for the little kids.

00:15:34.800 So if anything, our, you know, pastors really need to come out and give the truth, even to the little ones, maybe in simple ways, but definitely arm the parents so that they can go forward with the truth.

00:15:45.640 So this has been so difficult in the church, because while you mentioned Pope Francis has talked about ideological colonization in this context,

00:15:54.700 he's also done some very strange things, which really give people question about where he, in fact, stands on the issue.

00:16:02.360 He was asked on a plane if, you know, he had dealt with how to be pastorally concerned or pastorally care for transgender couples.

00:16:11.800 And he mentioned, oh, well, he had invited a transgender couple to the Vatican and they came to the Vatican.

00:16:18.340 There's a photo of it available there.

00:16:20.100 And in fact, weirdly enough, he ends the pronoun war, as we sometimes call it.

00:16:27.500 The, you know, people want to be called by their so-called preferred gender rather than just naming them what they are, male or female.

00:16:33.540 And yet the Pope himself names this, this woman, a man, she said, he said, and I'll quote it for you, she who was he, but is now her.

00:16:45.080 And so he does this.

00:16:47.060 He also called the couple married and happy.

00:16:49.700 So very strange things.

00:16:52.180 But at the same time, he's said a number of times about ideological colonization and how this is wrong.

00:16:57.700 So what kind of direction would you like to see coming from our spiritual leaders?

00:17:04.820 One that's consistent, I think would be great.

00:17:07.340 I mean, the Holy Father has said some, you know, fantastic things about gender ideology that I think that are spot on.

00:17:13.740 I mean, in his, you know, when in Laudato Si, when he's speaking on the environment, he speaks about a human ecology, meaning, you know, we have to accept the environment of the world as it is and appreciate and accept that and protect it.

00:17:25.380 And he said, we have to do the same thing with the human body, whether you're male or female, that's a gift from God and we need to embrace and accept that.

00:17:32.560 Okay, you know, great.

00:17:33.440 You know, that's spot on.

00:17:34.600 A couple other quotes from him that I thought were great.

00:17:37.020 He's speaking about when we become overly rigid in terms of gender stereotypes.

00:17:42.160 He said, such rigidity in turn can hinder the development of an individual's abilities.

00:17:47.540 The point of leading him or her to think, for example, it's not really masculine to cultivate art or dance, not really feminine to exercise leadership.

00:17:54.720 I really liked when he said this because he's pointing out the problem is not your gender.

00:17:59.300 The problem is on these unfair gender stereotypes.

00:18:02.220 And he goes on, and this I think already nailed it.

00:18:04.380 He said, I asked myself if the so-called gender theory is not at the same time an expression of frustration and resignation that seeks to cancel out sexual difference because it no longer knows how to deal with it.

00:18:18.140 Yes, we risk taking a step backwards.

00:18:20.200 The removal of difference, in fact, creates a problem and not a solution.

00:18:25.420 And so when the Holy Father speaks in this manner, I mean, he's spot on.

00:18:28.740 And it's like, okay, this is what we need, this clear guidance.

00:18:31.220 But then when he refers to a man as she or a female to a he, then we're taking that step backwards that he was talking about.

00:18:38.920 And I think what we really need here is clear and consistent teaching that, yes, you know, we need a pastoral and loving response to these individuals.

00:18:46.500 But it needs to be one that does not compromise speaking them the truth.

00:18:50.920 And so using a person's preferred pronouns, whether it's ze or zen or he or she or whatever, if that is not in alignment with your biological sex, you're not speaking the truth and lie.

00:19:02.860 You're bearing false witness.

00:19:05.000 And some people might be scandalized.

00:19:06.480 Well, you know, you're calling out the pope here.

00:19:08.640 Well, I mean, we need to remember that, you know, Paul called out Peter.

00:19:11.860 You know, I called him out to his face, it says it in the scripture, and confronted him because he was clearly wrong in this disciplinary matter, you know, in the church.

00:19:19.540 And so in the same way, the Holy Father, the charism of infallibility does not mean that he's infallible in all of his pastoral approaches and everything that he says off the cuff in an Italian interview on some plane ride to Bolivia or whatever.

00:19:34.980 You know, it does not guard him in infallibility in every journalistic interview that he conducts.

00:19:40.260 And so as the lay people, in a spirit of obedience to the Holy Father, you know, to the church, and as good sons and daughters of the church, we're able to say, hey, this pastoral approach is not helping.

00:19:51.720 Love these individuals.

00:19:53.140 Meet with them, sure.

00:19:54.400 Embrace them.

00:19:55.220 Pray with them.

00:19:55.780 Spend time with them.

00:19:56.720 But to go to the point where we're endorsing gender theory and calling males females, well, this is certainly, I don't think, helping the matter.

00:20:05.340 Yeah.

00:20:05.940 Now, this is an interesting thing because a lot of people suggest, even some spiritual leaders suggest, well, you know, maybe we can just tell them what they want to hear for now and kind of that way bring them in.

00:20:19.720 You know, yeah, you're using the pronouns that they want, and yeah, you might call them married and accept them. 0.52

00:20:25.060 It's kind of like a Father James Martin approach.

00:20:27.700 Just bring them in, and hopefully, maybe, you know, it'll rub off, and eventually they'll get to the fullness of truth.

00:20:33.620 Can't we give them this sort of graduated approach whereby we make them comfortable?

00:20:39.200 That type of accompaniment, does that work at all?

00:20:42.420 Well, for one, we've got to understand, okay, where do you start that, and when would you even stop that?

00:20:46.240 And what I mean is that the gender transition has four major steps in it.

00:20:50.540 The first is social transitioning, meaning you change your preferred pronouns, the restroom you use, the way that you present yourself, the clothing you choose, and so it's an external, you know, transition.

00:21:02.240 The next step for the young people would be puberty blockers, where you're giving pre-adolescent kids potent sex hormones that are blocking the development of puberty, thus, in effect, chemically castrating these kids.

00:21:16.240 And then after that, it goes to cross-sex hormone therapy, where you're giving girls testosterone and boys estrogen to effeminize the males and masculinize the females.

00:21:27.840 And then you follow that up with gender reassignment surgery.

00:21:32.200 It's like, okay, at what point do we stop just saying, hey, you do your thing, you do your thing.

00:21:37.040 Okay, well, you've just neutered this individual.

00:21:41.580 You've castrated this person.

00:21:43.640 What are you going to go like, okay, I'm glad you changed your mind three years later, but not only will your children exist, your descendants for generations will never come to be because I just patted you along because you wanted to believe this thing.

00:21:56.680 I think these individuals typically have a whole culture behind them saying, you do you.

00:22:01.640 You be whatever you want to be.

00:22:02.900 I embrace and I endorse that.

00:22:05.140 How many people do they have in their lives, not that will hate them and shame them, but will love them enough to speak the truth about what gender dysphoria is?

00:22:14.800 I remember speaking at a high school up in Canada and the principal before the talk told me, she said, please do not during your presentation say anything about gender or homosexuality.

00:22:26.440 And I said, well, why?

00:22:27.800 And she said, well, I just walked into the bathroom the other day and there's some transgender boys slashing his wrist open bloody in the bathroom. 0.93

00:22:35.660 And if these kids feel any more persecuted and hated, they're just going to jump off the bridge.

00:22:40.280 And I said, ma'am, I fully understand the difficulties they're under, but I said, can I just share with you what I would say to the kids?

00:22:46.800 And then you can tell me if you want me to say that or not.

00:22:49.260 And I gave her the five minute spiel and she said, oh, please say that to the kids.

00:22:53.780 And so we, they need someone in their lives, loving them enough to tell them the truth.

00:22:58.560 I mean, a friend of mine was up there speaking in Canada.

00:23:00.440 And after the talk, a teacher said, I just want to let you know, this is the chaplain, that you really offended one of our students in your school by what you said.

00:23:09.780 And my friend said, well, what is it that I said?

00:23:11.780 And they said, well, you, during your talk, you said that just because you practice chastity, it doesn't mean that you're asexual.

00:23:18.260 And that really offended them because they identify as asexual. 0.78

00:23:22.140 And my friend said, they, how many did I offend?

00:23:24.720 And they said, oh, just one, but she identifies as they.

00:23:27.900 And my friend said to the chaplain, now, you just go along with this, that you have a female who considers herself to be an asexual being using a plural pronoun.

00:23:39.700 And you're just going along with this because you don't want to offend her.

00:23:42.420 This is not love.

00:23:43.640 It is false compassion.

00:23:45.540 Yeah, absolutely. 0.81

00:23:46.620 And unfortunately, it's feeding into a mental disorder.

00:23:49.660 And gosh, what a, the care for children, the care for young people is being abandoned left, right and center by adults who want to be politically correct.

00:24:02.700 And unfortunately, there's this whole cultural push right now.

00:24:05.880 It's very strong.

00:24:06.900 As I said at the beginning of the program, people have lost jobs and are sanctioned at work and by their friends and colleagues for standing up for the truth, even in charitable ways.

00:24:19.420 So we are, in fact, at a time already where there's a, there's this type of persecution, if you will, a social persecution for saying and doing the right things.

00:24:29.800 How have you personally dealt with such things?

00:24:32.880 I'm sure you've, you've had a lot of, of, of antagonism your way for what you've said, especially on this issue.

00:24:39.960 And have you found that with this particular issue, it's more severe than other issues that you address?

00:24:45.720 This is the most volatile reactions from people.

00:24:49.380 Now, I don't have individuals coming up with a talk after I speak and being angry at me about these things just because I do my best to speak with just compassion and love and respect and reminding these individuals that the church is your home and God loves you.

00:25:03.440 God wants you.

00:25:04.320 The church is your home.

00:25:05.500 And, you know, I, I try to explain to these individuals, you know, God's plan for their life and these things.

00:25:10.620 And so I don't end up with a lot of arguments after these presentations.

00:25:13.400 I think the challenge comes in when I'm coming to speak into a community and some people in the administration will be like, wait a minute, this guy teaches that there's only two genders.

00:25:22.840 You know, this guy teaches marriage is what, you know, we can't tolerate this hate speech in our community.

00:25:27.620 We need to block him from even coming.

00:25:29.780 And so that happened just last month over in Ireland.

00:25:32.320 People heard that I was coming and speaking and they banned me from speaking at a university and the hotel where I was going to speak at a Catholic conference that he is not allowed on the premises.

00:25:42.920 We don't want all the negative press Catholic schools backed out.

00:25:46.540 And so it wasn't the kids saying we don't want this.

00:25:49.020 It was the administrators saying, look, we are too afraid to take this lightning bolt.

00:25:53.440 And so we're out of here.

00:25:54.640 We have to be inclusive.

00:25:55.620 So let's exclude these people that disagree with us.

00:25:58.640 And so, you know, it's unfortunate, but you know what, it's going to be persecuted.

00:26:02.900 I mean, you know, well, the words that Sister Lucia said to Cardinal Kephara, you know, that at the end of the time, I mean, the decisive battle between the kingdom of Satan and Lord will be over marriage and the family.

00:26:15.400 And so we need to not be surprised when those who defend marriage and the family are going to be attacked and oppressed in every way.

00:26:21.840 But she added, don't be afraid, because our lady has already crushed his head. 1.00

00:26:25.800 And so in the midst of all of this, as crazy as it sometimes gets, we need to realize, hey, we need to be bold because what's going on in the world right now is almost for the first time ever, the whole institution is literally collaborating with mental illness instead of treating it.

00:26:41.920 This is like someone coming to you with anorexia and saying, look, I am fat.

00:26:46.440 And you look at him like, man, dude, you're 85 pounds.

00:26:49.080 You need a feeding tube.

00:26:50.540 And saying to them, no, you don't need that. 0.66

00:26:53.100 You think you're fat? 0.99

00:26:54.160 Sure, you're fat. 0.96

00:26:55.100 Here's some diet pills. 0.63

00:26:56.340 That's what's going on here, that people have a different form of body dysphoria.

00:27:00.600 And we don't have anyone who loves them enough to help these individuals to find healing and wholeness.

00:27:06.200 They're giving them the shortcut approach.

00:27:08.060 And you're seeing it everywhere.

00:27:09.060 I mean, unfortunately, Dwayne Wade, who's an incredible basketball player, loved watching that guy, you know, his child has come out identifying as trans.

00:27:17.920 And now Dwayne and his wife have said, hey, you know, we're on board.

00:27:20.980 If that's what he wants to be there, she wants to be there, we'll go along with that.

00:27:24.680 And it's sad because, you know, this man loves this child more than I ever could.

00:27:28.660 But I think so many parents are just marinated in this culture of a false anthropology, thinking they're loving their children when they're actually leading them down a harmful path.

00:27:39.980 Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

00:27:42.440 These, the stories of the, this, well, Walt Heyer's whole effort is to get out the stories of those who regret this move, this sort of transition, so-called.

00:27:54.820 And they're so powerful.

00:27:56.260 And they're so, you see the damage that this causes, the kind of harm to the body, but also to their psychology and their soul.

00:28:05.720 I mean, it's just absolutely devastating.

00:28:08.440 You said you've, you've talked to Walt.

00:28:12.360 How can we make those testimonies more, get them more out there?

00:28:16.480 Because it's just so unbelievably sheltered.

00:28:19.580 People don't know at all, even that this exists.

00:28:22.940 There's a whole movement even of ex-gays, which is probably the most persecuted movement around, because they're not wanting to be heard by anybody.

00:28:31.460 You know, have you, have you been able to get those messages out there, or are those generally rejected as well?

00:28:41.020 Yeah, well, we do our best to try to promote them through social media, whether it's Walt's website, different videos that come out.

00:28:47.360 Our website, chastity.com, has blogs on it.

00:28:50.660 We've got a couple blogs.

00:28:51.680 One was called, I Wished I Had Been Born a Boy.

00:28:54.800 And another one was called, I Wished I Had Been Born a Girl.

00:28:57.200 And these are individuals who share their experiences with gender dysphoria that like, hey, I went through this time in life that lasted for many years where I thought I wish I was that.

00:29:06.720 But in time, I was able to work through that.

00:29:08.960 And now you've got a woman saying, look, I'm happy being fully a woman. 0.57

00:29:12.540 Yeah, I changed the oil of my car.

00:29:14.620 My husband does the cooking and cleaning around the house.

00:29:16.960 But it's OK.

00:29:18.140 You know what?

00:29:18.780 I'm fully me.

00:29:19.760 And unfortunately, nowadays, when a kid experiences anything other than the traditional gender stereotypes, they're kind of funneled into this idea of, well, you're probably trans because that's an experience that you're feeling.

00:29:32.360 And so I think we need to realize, hey, there's lots of room for different personality types in the world.

00:29:37.840 And if you don't fit a stereotype perfectly, it doesn't make you less of a man.

00:29:42.280 In fact, like men out there who might be watching this, like let's say you experience same-sex attractions.

00:29:48.260 Someone probably made you believe at some point that you're less of a man because you experience those attractions or desires.

00:29:54.740 But I want to tell you that's a lie from the pit of hell.

00:29:57.520 You are not less of a man.

00:29:59.480 I mean I almost wish we could define manhood by how attracted we are to women because then, man, I would be such a man because I think women are so pretty. 0.99

00:30:08.060 But it doesn't work like that.

00:30:09.040 Your manhood is not determined by your sexual attractions.

00:30:12.640 Your manhood is determined by your willingness to conform yourself to Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ crucified.

00:30:19.060 And so you are not less of a man because you feel this inclination.

00:30:22.420 You experience that attraction.

00:30:24.280 Some people think, oh, well, if you're into theater and poetry and art and stuff, you're not that much of a man.

00:30:29.740 The most masculine man I ever met was deeply into poetry and art and all that stuff and theater.

00:30:35.680 And his name was St. John Paul II.

00:30:37.880 Second, and so we've got to realize sometimes gender stereotypes is the problem.

00:30:42.980 Changing a gender is not only not only the answer, it's not even possible. 1.00

00:30:47.960 Absolutely.

00:30:48.760 So let's end off with this.

00:30:50.980 In the world, we're subjected to, everyone is subjected to sexual temptation.

00:30:56.660 It's probably, it is the tool most used by Satan to get people out of a right relationship with God.

00:31:04.820 And is there a way we can look to men and women who have same-sex attractions and are valiantly fighting against those? 0.94

00:31:12.640 Or men who, or men or women who have these sort of gender dysphoria or feelings of that nature and yet struggle against this?

00:31:22.060 How can we look to them as examples for us, the rest of us who don't experience those things, but nonetheless are struggling against other sexual temptations as models?

00:31:32.200 Yeah, I think one thing we need to do is realize there's really in the church no such thing as us and them.

00:31:37.340 You know, like those people who have seen same-sex attractions and us people who don't experience these attractions.

00:31:43.280 It's like, look, our sexual attractions are not our identities.

00:31:46.620 They're not.

00:31:47.080 Like if you're a book, your sexual attractions are on page 47.

00:31:51.000 It's not the cover story.

00:31:52.820 And so we're all in this together.

00:31:54.300 We all have our different brokenness and troubles and struggles and crosses that God allows us to experience.

00:32:00.160 And honestly, I look forward to the day in the Catholic Church where we have canonized saints who had experienced gender dysphoria and same-sex attractions.

00:32:09.800 I mean, you know how many people are in heaven right now who experienced same-sex attractions in their life?

00:32:14.580 We may even have canonized saints who experienced same-sex attractions.

00:32:18.900 We haven't heard their stories perhaps yet, but I think the day is coming.

00:32:22.440 And so I look forward to that day where we have individuals who experienced these attractions and chose to glorify God in and through their bodies.

00:32:32.100 And you can find some of these individuals at websites like EdenInvitation.com.

00:32:38.040 Eden Invitation is a great Catholic website by young people who experience homosexual attractions and choose to practice chastity and pin their identity not in an LGBT paradigm,

00:32:49.480 but to pin their identity as sons and daughters of God.

00:32:53.340 And so if we take this God bless them, Father James Martin approach of like, hey, we're building bridges, you know, we love you, but we're not bringing them the gospel.

00:33:01.920 I'm telling you that it's not building a bridge.

00:33:03.980 It is building a dock.

00:33:05.580 A dock is 50% of a bridge that leaves the person walking into the depths and into water.

00:33:11.380 We need to say, yes, we love you, but go and sin no more.

00:33:15.820 You're called to chastity.

00:33:17.100 It's going to be a demanding, you know, virtue at times, but God can do wonderful things.

00:33:21.460 The question is, do we trust him with our bodies?

00:33:24.940 And this is a question he asks all of us every day in a hundred different ways.

00:33:29.740 And if we can trust the heart of the Father with our bodies, whether it's a dysphoria, an attraction, desire, an addiction, a temptation, we all got them at different levels.

00:33:40.080 Let's trust the Father with our bodies and he'll never be outdone in generosity.

00:33:44.560 Amen.

00:33:45.640 Amen.

00:33:46.840 Jason Everett, great to be with you again on this episode of the John Henry Weston Show.

00:33:51.000 May God bless you.

00:33:52.340 Thank you for having me on.

00:33:54.520 God bless all of you.

00:33:55.620 And we'll see you next time.

00:33:56.520 Hello, this is John Henry Weston.

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The John-Henry Westen Show - March 10, 2020

Pastors must speak the truth about LGBT to gender-confused people： Christian speaker

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