The John-Henry Westen Show - Pope Francis, a 'false church,' and the Synod on Synodality ｜ Matt Gaspers

00:00:00.000 Pope Francis, when he opened the so-called Synod on Synodality back in October of 2021,

00:00:05.540 he quoted a notoriously progressive, one of the modernist infiltrators at Vatican II,

00:00:12.020 Father Eve Congar, and talking about,

00:00:15.080 we don't need a new church, but we need a different church.

00:00:18.560 Well, that's not what our Lord says in the gospel.

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00:02:10.000 Matt Gaspers, welcome to the program.

00:02:11.480 Good to see you again, John Henry.

00:02:13.440 So let's begin, as we always do, with the sign of the cross.

00:02:16.000 In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen.

00:02:21.380 So, Matt, we are here at the Catholic Identity Conference, literally at the beginning of October,

00:02:30.980 the month that will launch into what threatens to be one of the greatest calamities of the church in terms of going off kilter.

00:02:38.480 It's not like for the last decade we haven't gone off kilter.

00:02:41.080 We have.

00:02:42.000 But this threatens to be a real watershed moment, where it seems, you know, if it hadn't been bad enough already for the last decade,

00:02:52.820 that it might get all of a sudden a lot worse.

00:02:55.760 Your take on it.

00:02:56.520 Well, as I recall, Pope Francis, when he opened the so-called Synod on Synodality back in October of 2021,

00:03:04.080 he quoted a notoriously progressive, one of the modernist infiltrators at Vatican II, Father Eve Congar,

00:03:12.460 and talking about, we don't need a new church, but we need a different church.

00:03:16.520 Well, that's not what our Lord says in the gospel.

00:03:19.360 He founded one church, the Catholic Church, to last until he comes again in glory.

00:03:24.460 We don't need a different church.

00:03:26.740 What Pope Francis seems to be trying to do is to make some sort of a counter-church, you might even say an anti-church.

00:03:35.100 What Archbishop Vigano has called in his writings a parallel church that's been imposed on the true church of Christ

00:03:41.040 since the Second Vatican Council, and Pope Francis seems to be, as Professor Roberto de Mattei has said in the past,

00:03:48.100 the ripe fruit of the council and really bringing things to a head, bringing everything to its awful fulfillment.

00:03:54.680 I think that's what we're seeing with the Synod on Synodality and some unprecedented errors that are going to be discussed

00:04:01.180 and possibly enshrined, you know, as much as they think they can.

00:04:07.360 It may be imposed on the faithful, it might be a better way to put it. 0.99

00:04:11.260 Obviously, even Pope Francis can't change the deposit of faith.

00:04:15.120 He can't violate that.

00:04:16.860 He can try, I suppose, and his friends, his allies in the hierarchy, but we know that Christ will prevail in the end.

00:04:24.420 But we have to do our part.

00:04:26.640 As I see, you know, the importance of faithful Catholic media, we're kind of like the watchmen of Ezekiel 33,

00:04:33.160 where the Lord said to the prophet Ezekiel, I'm paraphrasing, but, you know,

00:04:37.780 I want you to be my watchman.

00:04:39.680 I'm setting you as my watchman on the Tower of Israel. 0.85

00:04:42.040 And when you see the invading hordes coming, which we could interpret as the innovators,

00:04:48.140 the progressives, the modernists at the Synod,

00:04:51.800 you need to warn the people about what's coming and tell them to arm themselves with the weapon of truth.

00:04:57.660 That's the first thing St. Paul mentions in Ephesians 6, to gird your loins with truth.

00:05:03.880 And our Lord emphasized that over and over in the Gospels.

00:05:06.680 So that's how I see our role in Catholic media, is to be those watchmen on the Tower.

00:05:12.840 Wow.

00:05:13.420 There's lots there.

00:05:14.360 One of the first thoughts that occurred to me was when you mentioned Professor DeMatte.

00:05:18.420 He said very interestingly about the Pope being the Pope sort of of two different churches,

00:05:25.300 because it does seem like we're having two different churches.

00:05:29.400 And that always reminded me of the prophecies of Anne Catherine Emmerich,

00:05:34.600 where it talked about the creation of a false church that she saw being built up.

00:05:39.860 I'd love to hear your thoughts.

00:05:40.680 Yes, absolutely.

00:05:43.360 I mean, and just to draw again from Archbishop Vigano,

00:05:47.560 I know he talked actually at this conference, I think two years ago maybe.

00:05:51.860 Yeah, I think it was two years ago.

00:05:52.980 He talked about the church being eclipsed by this false entity that Pope Francis seems to be at the head of,

00:06:02.180 and eclipsing the truth, the beauty, the goodness of the true mystical body of Christ

00:06:07.580 through his errors and through, you know, his words and deeds that are leading people astray.

00:06:13.680 So I definitely agree with you that we are seeing some sort of a false church come into being.

00:06:21.160 But as I said, it's not going to overcome the true church.

00:06:24.020 We know that Christ will, just like he was asleep in the boat with the apostles,

00:06:28.980 seemingly not caring about what was going on,

00:06:31.680 but as soon as he woke up and they said, you know, do you not care that we're drowning?

00:06:37.320 He calmed the storm and said, why did you doubt ye of little faith?

00:06:41.900 So we have to, in these times, I think our Lord is calling us to a heroic degree of the virtue of faith,

00:06:49.280 faith, hope, and charity.

00:06:50.720 So here's a, here's a question for you.

00:06:55.700 So it's kind of like a, where do you think we are?

00:07:00.820 Because St. John Yud said that when our Lord is truly angry,

00:07:08.040 you can, the most evident sign of his displeasure or the worst punishment he can give is sending us bad priests.

00:07:14.000 And we, we've got that in spades now, in, in the person of the Pope himself, in, in many, many, many cardinals, bishops, and priests.

00:07:28.880 And I'm not even talking about the sexual abuse scandal or anything like that, just in terms of heresy.

00:07:36.880 So do you think we're already at a turning point in terms of that punishment is enough?

00:07:42.760 Or do you think we're going to see more of a traditional sort of physical calamity before we get a cleanup in the church?

00:07:48.820 Everybody knows, and I believe fervently, that the triumph of the Immaculate Heart is coming.

00:07:54.160 There's hope coming.

00:07:56.720 But will that hope come, in your opinion, after a calamity of more gravity than we saw with, let's say, the First and Second World War?

00:08:06.740 Or will it come sort of after sort of this spiritual calamity that we're going through with heresy rampant in the church?

00:08:17.720 Well, I tend to look at all of this through the lens of the message of Our Lady of Fatima, as I'm sure you do as well.

00:08:24.500 And just thinking about the vision that the Vatican released in the year 2000 about the bishop dressed in white walking through a half-ruined city full of dead bodies of clergy and laity and people on their way to be martyred and such.

00:08:39.360 You know, there could be a spiritual meaning to that as well, but I think, you know, in light of other prophecies, it could very well be a literal physical chastisement.

00:08:52.220 I don't think that's out of the question.

00:08:53.640 And then also, of course, we know that there's a missing part of Our Lady's words that we really need.

00:09:02.180 The first secret of Fatima was the vision of hell, and the children clearly knew what they were seeing, and yet Our Lady still took the time to explain to them,

00:09:12.740 you have seen hell where the souls of poor sinners go.

00:09:14.980 So it seems ludicrous to believe that she would show them this much more difficult vision to decipher without giving them what our friend Chris Ferrara calls the soundtrack to the vision.

00:09:27.700 You know, she had to have explained what was going on to them.

00:09:31.460 She couldn't have just left it with that vision.

00:09:33.240 So we know there's something left, and we know that it begins with the words,

00:09:37.120 In Portugal, the dogma of the faith will always be preserved, et cetera.

00:09:41.060 So we need to know what that et cetera says, I think.

00:09:44.980 So that's a really disturbing statement.

00:09:49.320 Why?

00:09:50.040 Because when Portugal went pro-abortion, I thought, oh, no.

00:09:57.280 What can that possibly mean?

00:10:01.020 Because it says, in Portugal, the dogma of faith will always be retained.

00:10:06.920 It's like when Ireland went first pro-same-sex marriage, then pro-abortion.

00:10:12.720 St. Patrick sat on that rock forever to get the promise from our Lord.

00:10:19.600 But our Lord also says in the scriptures, when I return, will I find faith?

00:10:24.100 Like it's a question.

00:10:25.660 Right.

00:10:25.760 So those, you combine all that, it starts to paint quite the reality check for us.

00:10:38.220 Yeah.

00:10:40.220 How bad could it get?

00:10:42.600 I remember talking, this is now four years ago with Bishop Schneider, maybe five.

00:10:47.760 And I asked him, you know, for what should we do?

00:10:53.940 What's the best thing we can do right now with our kids, our families and home and whatever?

00:10:57.600 He said to me, prepare your children for martyrdom.

00:11:01.260 What's your sense of things upcoming that way?

00:11:08.900 Yeah, I mean, I think we could very well be facing some very challenging times in the near future,

00:11:14.440 spiritually, of course, but also materially.

00:11:16.600 And we should prepare accordingly, kind of as Noah did with his family at the prompting of the Lord.

00:11:22.780 I think one thing that we definitely need to do is be forming our children in the truth of the faith

00:11:30.820 from solid, you know, reliable resources.

00:11:34.240 Because ultimately what we face, what's been the case from the beginning is a battle of the truth of God

00:11:41.720 versus the lies of the devil.

00:11:44.160 And then through his intervention, the world and the flesh giving us the same problems.

00:11:50.320 So we need to be teaching our children the faith from solid sources.

00:11:55.600 And speaking of Bishop Schneider, he has an excellent new resource in that regard

00:11:59.480 that not only deals with the faith in general and, you know, the sacraments, the commandments,

00:12:07.120 all of the meat and potatoes of the faith, but he also addresses a lot of contemporary errors.

00:12:12.580 And it's a very helpful resource in that regard.

00:12:15.820 The book there, it's called Credo.

00:12:18.460 Give us the full title, if you will.

00:12:19.840 Credo Compendium of the Catholic Faith by Bishop Athanasius Schneider.

00:12:24.620 Now, this, as you've described it, is a work that's akin to the old Baltimore Catechism,

00:12:30.940 a very readable Q&A format.

00:12:33.600 But as you were saying, it sort of is updated with all the modern problems and errors and things.

00:12:39.940 Let me just ask you, for instance, with one of the big things that we're undergoing right now

00:12:44.840 is the whole question of women's ordination,

00:12:46.860 because it's one of the big things that they're saying.

00:12:48.620 The Synod might open up the door to that.

00:12:50.280 You've had all sorts of cardinals and bishops saying that, oh, yes, we're going to have that.

00:12:55.700 You've had the pope hint both ways.

00:12:58.740 What does it say in there about that?

00:13:00.700 Yeah, he actually has a whole section in here devoted to that very subject in the chapter on holy orders.

00:13:08.000 So it says impossibility of female priesthood. 1.00

00:13:11.760 Now, some of them, that's only being pushed by probably the more extreme elements in the church,

00:13:17.240 because even moderates recognize that's simply impossible because our Lord instituted a male priesthood

00:13:24.020 because they represent him who is the bridegroom and the church is the bride.

00:13:29.060 So what happens when you have a female in the role of the priest? 1.00

00:13:33.240 Well, basically, you have spiritual lesbianism going on, which is obviously not okay. 1.00

00:13:38.600 But thankfully, Bishop Schneider even addresses the issue of them becoming deacons.

00:13:44.080 So he asks, may women nonetheless receive the order of deacons after he's explained they cannot become priests?

00:13:51.060 And he answers, no.

00:13:52.800 The sacrament of holy orders is one sacrament conferred in three grades.

00:13:58.100 The sacramental ordination of women as deacons would therefore contradict the whole tradition of the universal church,

00:14:05.020 both Eastern and Western, and violate her God-given order, since the Council of Trent dogmatically defined,

00:14:12.860 and then he quotes from the council,

00:14:16.080 the divinely established hierarchy is made up of bishops, priests, and ministers.

00:14:21.840 In other words, at least also of deacons.

00:14:24.540 And then, of course, there's the minor orders traditionally.

00:14:26.640 But this is such an excellent resource because he quotes like that very often from church councils,

00:14:35.100 traditional catechisms, papal documents.

00:14:39.080 And it's got a whole section of endnotes at the end for all of the citations.

00:14:44.060 He also addresses the hot-button issue regarding, in the context of this,

00:14:48.700 weren't there deaconesses in the ancient church?

00:14:51.880 That's something we often hear.

00:14:53.940 And this is also coming from a man who has his doctorate in patristics, the church father,

00:14:59.000 so he knows what he's talking about.

00:15:01.380 He says,

00:15:01.940 For the first five centuries of the church, there is no trace of so-called deaconesses in the West.

00:15:07.900 And although the term does not appear in the East,

00:15:10.500 these women clearly did not receive the sacrament of holy orders. 0.98

00:15:15.040 The deaconess does not bless,

00:15:18.400 and she does not fulfill any of the things that priests and deacons do, 0.91

00:15:22.660 but she looks after the doors and attends the priests during the baptism of women for the sake of decency. 0.99

00:15:29.720 The deaconess was evidently not a woman exercising the office of deacon,

00:15:34.540 but rather a completely different ecclesiastical function.

00:15:40.240 Very, very clear.

00:15:41.420 And thanks be to God.

00:15:42.240 We have resources.

00:15:43.360 And I think a lot of this is so great because in earlier times in the church,

00:15:50.580 you had, thank God, we had Baltimore,

00:15:53.320 because that really did make still a foundation.

00:15:56.920 I mean, I raised my kids on Baltimore.

00:15:58.700 I was raised on Baltimore.

00:16:00.160 And it's interesting because without that,

00:16:02.820 we would have been in real, real big trouble.

00:16:04.960 And now we have a similar thing updated to our current crises,

00:16:09.040 which they couldn't have imagined the hell that we'd be in right now.

00:16:12.180 So thanks be to God that's there.

00:16:14.620 And his name is Athanasius, which in religion,

00:16:18.540 I think that's so phenomenal because truly, truly so.

00:16:23.680 Let's hit one more because, I mean,

00:16:25.720 this is another one of those hot button issues that really the synod's bringing out.

00:16:29.800 What does he say about blessing of homosexual unions? 0.89

00:16:33.400 Yes.

00:16:33.900 Let me see if I can find that section real quick here.

00:16:36.840 So I don't know if he's, I'm still working my way through the full text,

00:16:43.700 but I know he definitely touches on the sins of unnatural vice,

00:16:48.360 gender ideology definitely touches on that. 1.00

00:16:50.960 So I do have a couple of questions and answers I can read.

00:16:54.800 This is in the section three on the commandments.

00:16:57.480 And he says,

00:16:59.340 what of Catholics who are publicly known to commit such sins,

00:17:02.980 basically sins against the sixth commandment, 0.60

00:17:06.320 Catholics engaged in open adultery, cohabitation, pornography, 1.00

00:17:11.740 homosexual lifestyle, or political activism for such causes. 0.97

00:17:15.440 For example, the so-called LGBTQ plus agenda must be regarded as public sinners. 1.00

00:17:22.060 And until they have repented and been reconciled to the church,

00:17:26.520 they must be denied Holy Communion by any minister of the sacrament.

00:17:31.940 And he goes on to ask,

00:17:33.720 isn't this discipline overly harsh toward sinners whom our Lord invites us to love?

00:17:39.380 So he's kind of playing the devil's advocate in the book.

00:17:42.080 And he says,

00:17:43.020 No, authentic love is inseparable from truth.

00:17:47.700 And the church is obliged to honor our Lord in the Eucharist

00:17:51.300 and save the public sinner from eating and drinking judgment unto himself.

00:17:56.360 Obviously an allusion to 1 Corinthians chapter 11.

00:18:00.220 Beautiful.

00:18:01.140 Yeah.

00:18:01.660 So, I mean, obviously there's a treasure in there for the whole church.

00:18:06.880 Just put out, by the way, just released by Bishop Schneider.

00:18:09.100 And I very much encourage you to get it.

00:18:13.420 But there's another thing that we've been discussing

00:18:15.080 that they didn't have in previous years that is here now.

00:18:20.860 When the Second Vatican Council came about

00:18:23.600 and you had this council of the media, as they called it,

00:18:28.140 which was different from the actual council and so on.

00:18:31.780 And Ratzinger makes a big deal of that.

00:18:34.320 There is some truth to that.

00:18:35.500 But you really didn't have, especially after the Mass came out,

00:18:41.260 the new Mass came out and basically kind of seemed to do away with the old Mass.

00:18:46.020 And you had just rampant insanity everywhere.

00:18:49.920 You didn't have a Catholic media that was reporting that.

00:18:52.760 People didn't know for years what was going on.

00:18:56.040 Now things are totally different.

00:18:57.660 We have been blessed with Catholic media, instantaneous media,

00:19:05.220 so that people all get to see what's happening.

00:19:09.380 For a lot of people, it's very confusing and it's leading them astray, whatever, whatever.

00:19:12.720 But for those who have the ears to hear and wish to,

00:19:16.520 they can see the truth of things in a way that's just stunning.

00:19:19.640 Bishop Schneider's been very gracious with his, you know,

00:19:22.600 willingness to come on and be interviewed on all these crazy things,

00:19:26.320 including, I mean, he could be, you know, his head lopped off, if you will.

00:19:32.200 But no, he'd rather answer to God than man, including to the Pope.

00:19:37.000 You know, so he's willing to do that.

00:19:39.040 But that role that you talked about with regard to Catholic media today,

00:19:44.620 very, very important, very essential.

00:19:46.480 What gives you the courage, the willingness to go into that area,

00:19:53.520 which is, it's fraught with a lot of, you can get in trouble with it,

00:19:57.880 not only with the church and a hierarchy that's unfaithful,

00:20:00.760 but also with your family.

00:20:03.160 Well, I think of the words of our Lord in the gospel of St. John,

00:20:06.580 where he talks about, you know,

00:20:08.220 if you remain in my word, you will be my disciple

00:20:11.620 and you will know the truth and the truth will make you free.

00:20:14.920 The truth is not always pleasant,

00:20:17.280 especially in our times and especially within the life of the church at this time,

00:20:21.420 but it is still freeing to know the truth.

00:20:24.680 And to be able to spread the truth,

00:20:27.300 to be able to be a part of this remnant,

00:20:29.840 you know, this remnant of faithful in this time,

00:20:33.540 to be a watchman, like I said earlier,

00:20:35.700 from Ezekiel 33 is really an honor and a privilege.

00:20:39.660 It makes me think of, certainly not worthy of it,

00:20:43.500 but hopefully be found among the apostles of the latter days

00:20:48.560 that our lady, or excuse me, that St. John,

00:20:51.420 not St. John, St. Louis de Montfort, yes,

00:20:53.780 talks about in the true devotion to Mary,

00:20:56.720 that she's going to raise up in the latter days,

00:20:59.360 this army of faithful who have the,

00:21:02.020 he says something like, you know,

00:21:03.460 carry the crucifix in one hand and the rosary in the other

00:21:06.340 and are proclaiming the truth of God with boldness

00:21:10.220 and bringing souls to repentance and conversion,

00:21:13.700 because that's ultimately, you know,

00:21:15.740 our job in the media, in Catholic media,

00:21:17.920 is not only to, obviously we need to report the facts accurately,

00:21:22.260 but we also need to be, as I see it,

00:21:25.500 using these news stories as a catalyst or a springboard

00:21:29.220 for teaching the faith,

00:21:30.700 because that's, it's been so neglected,

00:21:33.460 and it still is, even at the average parish,

00:21:36.780 so I think a lot of people look to our apostolates

00:21:39.480 as being, you know, catechetical apostolates

00:21:42.420 in addition to simply reporting the news.

00:21:45.440 We need to be faithful, zealous Catholics

00:21:48.040 continuing our own formation

00:21:50.060 and reading and studying the faith

00:21:52.100 so that we can hand it on faithfully.

00:21:53.800 What I find truly beautiful about that

00:21:57.020 is that the news provides an interest hook

00:22:00.800 to bring people truths and evangelize

00:22:04.200 that, you know, few other things could do.

00:22:06.400 I mean, the cell phone and whatever,

00:22:10.320 smartphones have made news a complete addiction anyway,

00:22:14.040 but you can use that in a way

00:22:17.220 to get them to that same news,

00:22:20.720 but from a Catholic perspective,

00:22:22.420 from a perspective of truth,

00:22:24.160 where they're not just going down a rabbit hole

00:22:27.280 of just insane entertainment

00:22:29.480 that takes them nowhere and probably harms,

00:22:31.640 but you actually give them something good

00:22:34.740 with, you know, they're still satisfied

00:22:37.660 in terms of getting,

00:22:38.820 oh, I need to know what happened.

00:22:39.760 No, I know what happened,

00:22:40.480 but now I know what happened

00:22:41.460 and I know the answer for it.

00:22:42.900 It's a beautiful opportunity

00:22:44.660 and a great opportunity to evangelize.

00:22:48.940 The last thing I'd like to ask you about

00:22:51.520 is where now?

00:22:56.080 Now, we have the Synod coming up.

00:22:59.640 We're going to be wherever we're going to be

00:23:03.040 after the Synod.

00:23:04.840 Big question around what is Pope Francis?

00:23:08.920 That issue has gone around the Church right now.

00:23:12.660 We've had a couple of bishops out,

00:23:14.360 both retired, of course,

00:23:15.280 saying that he's not the Pope.

00:23:17.420 The preponderance obviously saying that he is,

00:23:19.800 but major figures now starting to question,

00:23:22.740 including Archbishop Vigano,

00:23:24.020 or at least talking around the issue.

00:23:26.200 He's never said so.

00:23:27.040 In fact, he said he is,

00:23:28.080 he thinks he is Popers.

00:23:29.780 But there is a big debate right now.

00:23:33.100 And, you know, we've been very public

00:23:36.080 with our position that we're honestly don't know.

00:23:39.880 All we know is that, you know,

00:23:41.820 the Saints have debated it.

00:23:43.500 Bellarmine seemed to be convinced

00:23:45.360 that a Pope could lose his papacy for heresy.

00:23:49.820 What does that mean even?

00:23:51.020 It's very, very complicated.

00:23:53.000 I know that Archbishop Schneider

00:23:55.120 has a very definite position one way.

00:23:59.320 His own superior, Bishop Jan Pavalenga,

00:24:01.940 takes the opposite tack.

00:24:03.320 It's the most confusing thing,

00:24:05.600 and it's just about to get more confusing

00:24:07.580 with the Synod.

00:24:11.220 Where to for Catholics after the Synod?

00:24:14.000 Well, my first thought is that,

00:24:18.460 as I said earlier,

00:24:20.360 Pope Francis, you know,

00:24:22.300 he's recognized as the Vicar of Christ,

00:24:25.920 the Roman Pontiff.

00:24:27.120 But even in that role,

00:24:28.740 as Bishop Schneider does an excellent job

00:24:31.100 explaining in his new book,

00:24:33.180 authority, even in the Church, has limits.

00:24:36.320 The Pope, as Benedict XVI said,

00:24:38.720 God is not an absolute monarch

00:24:40.060 whose will or thoughts or desires are the law.

00:24:43.840 He is bound by the divine and natural law,

00:24:46.260 by the deposit of faith.

00:24:48.480 And if he tries to change something

00:24:50.500 that's truly unchangeable,

00:24:52.080 we simply cannot follow him.

00:24:53.960 As St. Robert Bellarmine talked about,

00:24:55.780 we recognize him,

00:24:58.700 but we resist what he's doing.

00:25:00.500 And we don't follow

00:25:02.060 if he's trying to lead us astray.

00:25:06.040 So I would say we need to prepare ourselves

00:25:08.300 for the possibility

00:25:09.500 that there could be a formal schism in the Church.

00:25:12.400 I think that's a very real possibility,

00:25:14.620 depending on what happens at this Synod.

00:25:17.240 If you could tell us,

00:25:18.720 what does that look like?

00:25:21.440 So, for example,

00:25:22.580 like we talked about female ordination.

00:25:25.700 You know, that's something

00:25:26.740 that's non-negotiable.

00:25:28.460 And if they were to push it

00:25:30.000 and say, okay,

00:25:30.820 we're now going to start ordaining women, 0.98

00:25:33.100 which sadly, you know,

00:25:35.060 the Anglican communion started doing that

00:25:37.740 and lots of other Protestant denominations

00:25:40.000 do that as well,

00:25:41.720 that violates the deposit of faith

00:25:45.180 and we wouldn't be able to go along with that.

00:25:47.680 Even if the Pope says it's okay,

00:25:49.780 just because he says so

00:25:51.120 doesn't make it true.

00:25:52.760 You know, even he is bound

00:25:54.000 by what the Church has always believed

00:25:56.100 and taught and preached

00:25:57.680 throughout the ages.

00:26:00.000 So, I think we need to be ready

00:26:03.060 to say, you know,

00:26:04.120 I stand with the Church of all time,

00:26:05.940 like St. Vincent of Lorin,

00:26:07.220 a great Church father,

00:26:08.260 talked about we need,

00:26:10.300 in times of confusion,

00:26:12.100 like he was talking specifically,

00:26:13.560 I think, about the Aryan crisis 1.00

00:26:14.940 in the fourth century,

00:26:16.700 we need to cleave to antiquity 0.97

00:26:19.280 and believe what has been,

00:26:21.100 we need to hold what has been held

00:26:22.580 always, everywhere,

00:26:23.740 and by everyone, you know.

00:26:25.880 So, it's definitely not outside

00:26:29.420 the realm of possibility,

00:26:30.540 in my opinion,

00:26:31.340 that Pope Francis could,

00:26:32.780 as he himself has said,

00:26:34.040 I think,

00:26:34.620 that he could be the Pope

00:26:35.700 that causes a schism in the Church.

00:26:37.880 It would not be surprising to me.

00:26:39.680 Also, the one who rejected

00:26:40.540 the title of the Vaker of Christ as well.

00:26:42.560 Yes.

00:26:43.360 Yes.

00:26:44.900 Matt Gaspers,

00:26:45.660 thank you so much for being with us.

00:26:46.880 Thank you, John.

00:26:47.720 Matt Gaspers of Catholic Family News.

00:26:50.180 Be sure to go check him out.

00:26:52.000 And God bless you,

00:26:52.780 and we'll see you next time.

The John-Henry Westen Show - November 02, 2023

Pope Francis, a 'false church,' and the Synod on Synodality ｜ Matt Gaspers

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