The John-Henry Westen Show - May 11, 2022


Pope Francis answers Fr. James Martin's pro-LGBT questions with 'weaponized orthodoxy'

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weaponized orthodoxy
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In response to a letter from James Martin and his new LGBT outreach group, Pope Francis responds to a series of questions from the LGBT community. But there's more to it than meets the eye, and it's a brilliant example of something called weaponized orthodoxy.

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00:00:00.000 Did you see over the last few days that Pope Francis responded to several questions, you might say dubia, from the homosexuality-promoting Jesuit priest James Martin?
00:00:10.400 Funny how Francis can find time to answer certain questions, or dubia, when they come from a heretical priest, but not from four cardinals, in fact the most faithful cardinals in the Church.
00:00:23.520 Oh well. The Q&A between Francis and Martin is a great study in diabolic disorientation.
00:00:30.980 It's a brilliant example of something called weaponized orthodoxy.
00:00:35.280 So if you've ever wondered about that concept of weaponized orthodoxy, what is that all about?
00:00:40.500 Stay tuned. This is the John Henry Weston Show.
00:00:52.600 Let's begin, as we always do, with the sign of the cross.
00:01:05.740 In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen.
00:01:12.060 Have you ever felt like Pope Francis is trying to frighten us into abandoning orthodox Catholic doctrine?
00:01:18.840 Pope Francis recently replied to a letter from Father James Martin and his new LGBT group Outreach.
00:01:28.220 Martin posed three common questions from the LGBT community, he said.
00:01:33.320 But let's see how Francis' answers contain truths and falsehoods mixed together, which sow confusion with ambiguity,
00:01:44.000 and much more so than plainly teaching error ever could.
00:01:48.840 So first of all, those are the questions.
00:01:52.040 Firstly, Martin asked,
00:01:55.480 What would you say is the most important thing for the LGBT people to know about God?
00:02:05.320 Francis wrote,
00:02:07.220 God is Father, and He does not disown any of His children.
00:02:11.520 I'll just mention, as an aside, that it's difficult to reconcile what He's implying with our Lord's words in the Sermon on the Mount.
00:02:21.600 Not everyone, He said.
00:02:24.520 Not everyone that says to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven,
00:02:28.720 but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven,
00:02:32.760 he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven.
00:02:35.620 But that's only Jesus, right?
00:02:37.580 Jesus said, additionally, that at the final judgment,
00:02:43.680 many will claim to have been His followers, and done miracles in His name even.
00:02:49.060 But unless they have done the will of His Father, He will say to them, and I quote,
00:02:54.680 I never knew you.
00:02:56.040 Depart from me, you that work iniquity. 0.87
00:02:58.540 So let's move on from there.
00:03:01.280 Question number two.
00:03:02.280 Martin asked,
00:03:03.960 What do you want LGBT people to know about the church?
00:03:08.840 And Francis told them to read the Acts of the Apostles,
00:03:12.460 where they will find, quote,
00:03:14.020 the image of the living church.
00:03:17.540 Um, is that the same Acts of the Apostles,
00:03:21.700 the same book of the Bible,
00:03:22.920 where, in perhaps the first ever papal address,
00:03:27.100 St. Peter told his listeners,
00:03:29.380 Save yourselves from this perverse generation. 0.99
00:03:33.080 Where St. Peter told Simon Magus
00:03:35.840 to do penance for his wickedness,
00:03:38.920 if he were to have any hope of forgiveness.
00:03:42.220 Is this the same Acts of the Apostles,
00:03:45.000 where one of the first three commands imposed on Gentile Christians
00:03:49.640 at the first ecumenical council was to abstain from fornication?
00:03:56.300 But it's actually in this third answer
00:03:59.940 from the Pope to James Martin
00:04:02.620 that there's really revealed some kind of underhanded tactic
00:04:08.280 in this whole thing.
00:04:09.560 Martin asks Francis what the Pope would say
00:04:12.760 to an LGBT Catholic who has experienced rejection from the church.
00:04:17.900 And Francis writes,
00:04:19.640 I would have them recognize it not as the rejection of the church,
00:04:24.180 but instead of people in the church.
00:04:27.680 The church is a mother and calls together all her children.
00:04:32.140 Take, for example,
00:04:33.080 and this is again quoting from Pope Francis,
00:04:35.280 take, for example,
00:04:36.120 the parable of those invited to the feast,
00:04:39.200 the just, the sinners, the rich, and the poor, etc.
00:04:42.600 A selective church, one of pure blood, 1.00
00:04:47.200 is not Holy Mother Church, but rather a sect.
00:04:50.460 So, there's lots in there.
00:04:54.840 There's much more than meets the eye in Pope Francis' response here.
00:04:59.640 There's real tactics, as I said.
00:05:02.900 The basic gist, of course,
00:05:04.620 is that he is saying that the church is not comprised
00:05:08.000 solely of holy or morally good people
00:05:11.000 and affirming that homosexuals are also called 0.59
00:05:14.440 and obliged to enter the church. 0.89
00:05:16.880 But that's, of course, what is true.
00:05:19.640 We all believe that.
00:05:20.600 Every Catholic should know this.
00:05:22.860 But it's also clear
00:05:24.440 there are two prongs, if you will,
00:05:27.220 to this tactic.
00:05:28.380 Number one,
00:05:29.860 Francis is insinuating that we don't know this
00:05:32.860 and that we think the church is for the pure only.
00:05:38.420 And number two, 0.82
00:05:39.560 he is insinuating homosexual persons are invited to join
00:05:43.040 while not only continuing in their chosen lifestyle,
00:05:47.300 but also while affirming its moral acceptability.
00:05:52.780 And here we have that modern phenomenon
00:05:55.300 that is popularly known as weaponized orthodoxy,
00:05:59.740 using true principles to advance modernism
00:06:03.740 against the only people
00:06:05.620 who actually care about those principles,
00:06:08.320 faithful Catholics.
00:06:10.080 Look, we don't need to go any further
00:06:12.880 into the question of whether Christ and his church
00:06:15.560 call all men to salvation
00:06:17.260 and to living according to the natural moral law.
00:06:20.860 We know this.
00:06:22.100 We also know that all of us are flawed
00:06:25.440 and fall into greater or lesser sins.
00:06:29.640 More or less often, actually.
00:06:32.400 Some Catholics, of course, 0.99
00:06:33.840 may even fall into homosexual sins. 0.66
00:06:38.380 If you want to understand this, 0.93
00:06:40.260 it's very easy.
00:06:41.460 Go to the encyclical called
00:06:43.100 Mystici Corporis Christi
00:06:45.600 by Pope Pius XII.
00:06:47.500 He reaffirms there
00:06:48.780 these settled and certain Catholic doctrine,
00:06:51.620 and I quote,
00:06:52.820 Nor must one imagine
00:06:54.460 that the body of the church,
00:06:56.300 just because it bears the name of Christ,
00:06:58.060 is made up during the days
00:07:00.720 of its earthly pilgrimage
00:07:01.740 only of members
00:07:03.080 conspicuous for their holiness,
00:07:05.900 end quote.
00:07:06.980 That's number 23, that document.
00:07:09.280 But the idea
00:07:10.240 that one can be a Catholic
00:07:11.900 while affirming that homosexual acts 0.88
00:07:14.340 are morally good
00:07:15.220 is totally false.
00:07:16.760 So, to bring it home for you, 0.98
00:07:20.980 the Catholic who falls into homosexual sin, 0.75
00:07:23.600 knowing that it's wrong,
00:07:25.280 but being tempted severely,
00:07:27.080 falls but repents,
00:07:28.740 and he remains a Catholic.
00:07:31.980 However,
00:07:32.860 even if it were
00:07:34.540 that Father James Martin
00:07:36.180 remained always celibate
00:07:38.420 as his vows require,
00:07:40.580 but believes and teaches
00:07:43.420 that homosexual acts 1.00
00:07:44.680 are not wrong,
00:07:46.000 he is not a Catholic.
00:07:48.640 The church is completely clear on this.
00:07:52.060 The church is indeed selective
00:07:54.340 when it comes to the profession of faith.
00:07:57.460 As the church teaches officially,
00:07:59.420 and I'll quote it for you,
00:08:00.840 actually only those
00:08:02.980 are to be included
00:08:04.320 as members of the church
00:08:06.300 who have been baptized,
00:08:08.780 who profess the true faith,
00:08:09.980 and who have not been
00:08:11.620 so unfortunate
00:08:12.360 as to separate themselves
00:08:13.680 from the unity of the body
00:08:15.000 or been excluded
00:08:16.440 by legitimate authority
00:08:18.260 for grave faults committed.
00:08:20.660 That's number 22
00:08:21.980 from that same encyclical,
00:08:24.200 Mystici Corporis Christi
00:08:25.860 from Pius XII.
00:08:27.920 Someone who doesn't meet
00:08:29.760 this description
00:08:30.720 is not a Catholic.
00:08:32.860 But did you hear anything
00:08:34.260 about moral goodness
00:08:35.600 and pure blood in there?
00:08:37.460 No.
00:08:38.600 There's nothing.
00:08:39.980 Pope Francis already
00:08:41.900 denied the idea
00:08:43.840 as if we didn't.
00:08:46.060 But we do.
00:08:47.360 A bit further on,
00:08:48.220 Pius XII reaffirms the point.
00:08:49.800 He says,
00:08:50.600 Not every sin,
00:08:52.040 however grave it may be,
00:08:53.980 is such as of its own nature
00:08:56.940 to sever a man
00:08:58.120 from the body of the church,
00:08:59.340 as does schism
00:09:01.080 or heresy
00:09:01.940 or apostasy.
00:09:04.480 So,
00:09:05.180 this isn't just
00:09:06.660 Pius XII's teaching,
00:09:08.080 mind you.
00:09:08.340 He's just one of the most
00:09:09.960 recent popes
00:09:10.620 to affirm it.
00:09:12.660 It's just impossible
00:09:14.660 for someone
00:09:15.580 to be a Catholic,
00:09:16.760 a member of the church,
00:09:17.780 while openly
00:09:18.760 and knowingly
00:09:19.720 departing from
00:09:20.680 the church's own teaching.
00:09:22.900 The church does not
00:09:24.320 only include
00:09:25.400 those of pure life,
00:09:27.580 but the church
00:09:28.700 does include
00:09:29.660 only those
00:09:30.780 who profess
00:09:31.960 a pure faith.
00:09:33.280 So,
00:09:34.600 why is this important?
00:09:35.600 Well,
00:09:36.020 it's important
00:09:37.260 that we accurately
00:09:38.820 present
00:09:39.460 the church's teaching
00:09:40.620 about loving those
00:09:42.280 with same-sex attraction,
00:09:44.380 but it's equally important
00:09:45.800 that we present
00:09:47.180 the church's teaching
00:09:48.280 about
00:09:48.940 the church itself
00:09:50.600 and who is a member.
00:09:53.300 In other words,
00:09:54.660 we can sometimes
00:09:55.700 be in a hurry
00:09:56.580 to address
00:09:57.180 the detail
00:09:57.980 of the particular
00:09:59.380 moral truth
00:10:00.260 being attacked,
00:10:00.880 which can sometimes
00:10:02.380 leave questions
00:10:03.280 of faith
00:10:03.980 to one side.
00:10:05.980 Pope Francis
00:10:06.780 is setting up
00:10:08.440 a straw man.
00:10:10.080 He's accusing us
00:10:11.180 of a crass error
00:10:12.940 against doctrine
00:10:13.920 and making it seem
00:10:15.540 like insisting
00:10:16.940 on the life-giving
00:10:18.000 message of the gospel
00:10:19.060 is actually
00:10:20.040 Pharisaism 0.92
00:10:21.220 or sectarianism
00:10:22.580 or Puritanism.
00:10:24.480 He's trying to link
00:10:25.680 an insistence
00:10:26.860 on the natural
00:10:27.880 moral law
00:10:28.560 with the error
00:10:29.600 that the church
00:10:30.580 is comprised
00:10:31.720 only of the pure
00:10:32.620 and all this
00:10:35.400 to try to
00:10:36.200 frighten us away
00:10:37.060 from the truth
00:10:38.000 about the natural law.
00:10:40.560 He does this
00:10:41.660 with powerful weapons,
00:10:43.960 orthodox points
00:10:44.740 of theology
00:10:45.300 twisted out of shape.
00:10:47.720 He's trying to say
00:10:48.960 that Catholic orthodoxy
00:10:50.340 itself requires us
00:10:51.640 to accept
00:10:52.740 as Catholics
00:10:53.520 those who
00:10:54.640 deny the Catholic faith.
00:10:56.660 Similarly,
00:10:57.360 he's trying to make
00:10:58.460 people of goodwill
00:10:59.640 think that groups
00:11:01.100 like LifeSite
00:11:01.920 are insisting
00:11:03.600 on some impossible
00:11:04.780 and theologically wrong
00:11:06.060 standard for membership.
00:11:08.360 The idea he's imputing
00:11:10.660 to us
00:11:11.240 is nearly heresy
00:11:13.340 or what's called
00:11:14.220 by theologians
00:11:14.860 proximate to heresy.
00:11:17.360 He is accusing us
00:11:18.520 of being
00:11:18.980 near to heresy
00:11:20.600 and using this
00:11:21.880 to try to frighten us
00:11:23.440 into giving up
00:11:24.280 Catholic teaching
00:11:25.040 both on sexual morality
00:11:26.680 and on the Church
00:11:27.840 itself.
00:11:30.440 There we have it.
00:11:32.300 Something called
00:11:32.960 weaponized orthodoxy.
00:11:35.920 No, friends,
00:11:36.520 the Catholic Church
00:11:37.120 is not comprised
00:11:38.340 only of good men
00:11:39.800 and saints,
00:11:41.040 unfortunately.
00:11:42.220 But the Catholic Church
00:11:43.100 is comprised
00:11:44.140 exclusively
00:11:45.040 of Catholics,
00:11:46.760 those who profess
00:11:47.820 all that the Church
00:11:49.420 teaches
00:11:49.880 even though
00:11:50.920 they may fall
00:11:51.960 into sin.
00:11:52.920 This has been
00:11:55.160 The John Henry Riston Show
00:11:56.120 and may God bless you.