00:00:18.460In fact, it's a diabolical movement.0.99
00:00:22.720Hey, my friends, I'm sure many of you will remember Professor William Thomas.
00:00:27.080He is that classmate of Pope Leo XIV who dared to call out what was going on with Leo XIV and the Synodal Church.
00:00:36.260He gave us a rounding criticism of Pope Francis and his legacy at the Rome Life Forum.
00:00:44.700And he's with us again today to talk about his new book and also about what's going on in the Church today.
00:00:50.380And as you know from our last interview, he's not shy about naming names and saying what needs to be said to defend the faith, to defend the deposit of the faith.
00:01:01.100Professor William Thomas, thank you so much for being with us.
00:06:23.280And for once and for all, decide that this liturgical war must end.
00:06:28.920It is stunning hearing you say this about a man who you know well, you went to class with.
00:06:35.320When you watched Pope Leo invite in James Martin, Sister Karam, the foremost promoters of LGBT inclusion, acceptance, whatever you want, in the church, when you watched him allow the massive thousand men and women strong LGBT pilgrimage right through the holy door into St. Peter's with the whole rainbow flag, rainbow shirt, kissing, holding hands.
00:07:05.320same-sex couples holding hands. How did you square that in your head? You knew this man.
00:07:10.740What did you make of that? Well, I saw them going in. I was there, and I was horrified,
00:07:16.940and I went to Mario Gretsch, the cardinal responsible, and I said, I feel very unwell
00:07:23.360at what I have seen. And I said, I don't like this synodal movement at all. It's devoid of a0.99
00:07:30.540profound Christology. It's devoid of a mariology. It's devoid of the sense of the sacred,
00:07:38.280the sense of tradition, and so on and so forth. And I offered to rewrite it so it would be
00:07:46.600a traditional Catholic document, and it was rejected. Now, this is the listening church.
00:07:59.820And so on several attempts, I went back and I went back again and said, look, this is wrongheaded.
00:08:06.760The census fidelium of the people will not accept this because this is an erroneous movement.
00:08:13.320This is invented completely by Pope Francis himself on the misinterpretation of Lumen Gentium and the participatio of the laity.
00:08:24.560Laity can and have and always have been involved in the church.
00:08:29.980I mean, they have financed the church.
00:08:32.340It's the contributions that finance and build the churches.
00:08:35.560It's the choir masters, the choirs that come together, the various liturgists, people like myself who speak with bishops on different aspects, you know, and so on.
00:08:51.500So the laity have always been included.
00:08:55.360I don't know what they mean by this inclusion as part of the synodal process.
00:09:00.020It means something other than this marginalization.
00:09:24.960And even he went to outer Mongolia and found a fellow out there he created as cardinal.
00:09:31.120He was only 39 years old, the youngest cardinal that we have.
00:09:36.540So this whole synodal process then is promoted by Pope Francis Bergoglio advocating this
00:09:46.720new style of secular church where nothing is going to work.
00:09:51.580This inclusion, this listening, this diversity means exactly the opposite.
00:09:55.940And then you have characters in there like Jean-Claude Hollerich, who is the general relator of this movement. He is a very pro-gay, pro-LGBT. He says that the catechism's words are hurtful, where it says homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered and calls for a fundamental revision of the doctrine supporting LGBT inclusion.
00:10:25.940arguing that this, that, and the other, you see.
00:18:42.560It is not something that Catholics should be involved with.0.96
00:18:47.040As you know, Pope Bergoglio wanted an Amazonian rite,0.98
00:18:51.720which was an absurdity because it's purely paganism,
00:18:56.660where all of these pagan deities are worshipped.
00:18:59.640It's not about the proclamation of Christ as the unique savior of the world, the one who gave his life on the cross for the redemption of man.0.99
00:19:09.140And this is the sad reality that they have refocused on this type of nonsense, this type of stupidity, this type of very bad theology, formation in theology.0.98
00:19:23.400I'm only assuming that many of these people who are involved in this.0.99
00:19:27.540And sometimes, you know, you have a bit of witchcraft and whatever going on also in Africa.
00:19:36.560But the people of Rwanda are very hard people to evangelize.
00:19:41.820But nevertheless, there are great saints down there, missionaries from Poland that are evangelizing,
00:19:49.760that are building the Catholic infrastructure, that are teaching in the schools and so on.
00:19:54.980And slowly, step by step, that missionary activity continues.
00:20:01.440One of the things that, at least in that neck of the woods, I think Our Lady of Kibeho has probably paved the way for some more of that evangelization.
00:20:11.380I was in Kibeho. I did a lot of work down there, even recently in the last 12 months.
00:20:17.520I was there for quite a while, but part of the prophetic dimension of this apparition was that if man does not convert, if he does not repent, then the world will fall into an abyss.
00:20:32.980And I asked Natalie Musampaka, who is one of the seers living in Kibeho, what does Our Lady mean by this word abyss that we fall into?
00:20:45.380And she said, unrelenting disasters, one after another.
00:22:10.300have we, this is the mandatum of Jesus himself, you know, love your neighbor as yourself. Love
00:22:17.060God and love your neighbor as yourself. So bishops who don't show this charity and this mercy on a
00:22:24.480pastoral level should not be bishops. And by the grace of God, if I ever become Pope,
00:22:30.640I'll get rid of them. One of the things that was buzzed about, especially at the time of the
00:22:36.220Amazonian Synod, and every once in a while rears its head again, even within the synodality
00:22:43.380discussion, is the idea of the formulation of a Mass without the words of consecration,
00:22:51.680because that would be more accepted perhaps by Protestants. As a Vatican insider,
00:22:56.340have you ever heard that yourself? Where do you think that lies?
00:23:00.900I've heard such a notion, but then it would not constitute the holy sacrifice of the Mass, because if we understand what the holy sacrifice of the Mass is, Christ again is offering himself to the Eternal Father in an unbloody manner for the sins of today, for the sins of those who attend the Mass.
00:23:23.300and he offers his body and blood in order to satisfy the desires of the soul
00:23:31.040to allow them to grow in the holiness of life.
00:23:37.560I was trying to calculate how many masses have been said since the time of the apostles,
00:23:43.040given the fact that we have today something in the region of 650,000 masses being said every day.
00:23:49.740And my calculation was 100 billion masses, which are 100 billion sacrifices of Christ himself to the Eternal Father.
00:24:00.580And he extracts from divine justice mercy.
00:24:04.200And that's how the world has continued to exist, through divine mercy.
00:24:09.300For without the divine mercy, the world wouldn't be here.
00:24:12.360That gives a whole new take on the severity of what happened with the shutdown of the masses during COVID, because you cut out, I would say, a majority of the masses around the world, and that would have a very serious effect with that kind of calculation.
00:24:29.420Absolutely. It was devastating that bishops would allow themselves to be coerced into closing
00:24:36.600churches. It was a disgrace. It was shameful. They ought to apologize to their flocks for so doing
00:24:44.780with the promise that they will never do it again. While the churches were closed,
00:24:49.720the supermarkets were opened, the restaurants were opened, people were traveling by plane
00:24:55.380here and there there was no restrictions whatsoever except that the church was closed
00:25:01.620and I thought this was an absolute disgrace and outrage I wrote to many bishops and I said if you
00:25:08.280need permission to open your church I will give you permission and let the authorities come after me
00:25:14.840but they were so terrified and I was hoping that some priests would be arrested even or imprisoned
00:25:23.000because then we would really see what this was about.
00:25:27.380But they didn't take the chance, and they should have.
00:25:30.460But many good priests continued to say Mass.
00:25:33.520If you were able to give your former classmate some advice,