Pro-LGBT cardinal： Pope Francis agrees with my stance
Summary
Cardinal John Henry Hollerich's interview with a faithful Catholic in the United States raises serious questions about the Church's teaching on homosexuality and the implications for the future of the Catholic Church and its teaching on same-sex relationships.
Transcript
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There is absolute mayhem going on in the Vatican, and that's being spread throughout the world.
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The Archbishop, the Cardinal Archbishop of Luxembourg, who happens also to be in charge
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of the Commission of European Bishops, who is also just appointed by Pope Francis the
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Relator General, or one of the leaders of the Synod of Synods of Bishops, which is going on
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right now in the Vatican, going to end in 2024, has already talked publicly that homosexuality
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is not a sin, but then there was some fudging when it came to homosexual acts.
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Well, he just got to the United States, and he was interviewed by a faithful Catholic who
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we have here to discuss, and he's got video of what Cardinal Hollerich said.
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You're going to want to stay tuned for this episode of The John Henry Weston Show.
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So let's begin, as we always do, with the sign of the cross.
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In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.
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This is you interviewing Cardinal Hollerich as he arrives in the United States.
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It's his first stop on his U.S. tour, which will last for about two weeks, from July 31st
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And after Mass, he spoke with the people who attended the Mass.
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I was at the end of the line with a couple of very valued allies, who I can't mention here,
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And we captured about 100 seconds of video in which I asked him specifically about the changes
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to church doctrine that may be intended by the Synod when it comes to specifically the
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act of sodomy to really put him on the record to address this.
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He goes on to sort of hem and haw, not sure where I'm coming from on the question, and
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describing in a way where he first defines the boundaries on sexual activity as love rather
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than marriage, and then goes on to say that he is open to a process by which homosexual acts
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will be normalized, and that the Pope and he are on the same page on the issue.
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And I would like to ask you a very clear, quiet question.
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After this year, do you believe that sodomy should be considered a grave sin?
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We now listen to the people of God, what they express.
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I start getting in reports to the Related General of the Senate, and so reading all of that.
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In September, we make a first draft for the Continental Meetings, which will take place.
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I think that, first of all, I would never consider sexuality separated from love.
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The Bible has taught, and that has taught for 2,000 years, that sodomy is a sin, an abomination
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But the Bible also has said that we should stay with a woman who is a righteous.
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The Bible has said that for some terms, it's the wrong way to the earth.
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So the Bible has taught, and it's the wrong way to the Bible, to the fundamental spiritual
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I know that I am in full agreement with her process.
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All right, so unbelievable stuff from a prince of the church.
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Had this happened in the years of John Paul II or Benedict XVI, there would have been an
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But this is in line with what we've seen from Pope Francis on this question.
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It is one step further than what we've seen so far, particularly with the machinations
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So unpack for us, if you will, what your thoughts are on what you heard from the cardinal.
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Well, first, I think he's revealing a totally heterodox position that should be absolutely
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He has said, as of January of 2022, this was reported in the National Catholic Register on
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February 9th, that he believes the church's teaching on homosexuality is false.
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So we're in a situation where the church's credibility in recognizing, faithfully adhering
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to, and communicating divine revelation is being called into serious, serious question.
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Before you go on, I just wanted to lay that out specifically, just so that people can look
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This was in an interview with the German Catholic news agency, KNA.
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Cardinal Holerich said, he was asked, if you will, first, how do you get around the church's
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And his direct words were these, I believe that this is false, but I also believe that
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here we are thinking further about the teaching.
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So as the Pope has said in the past, this can lead to a change in teaching, end quote.
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It's called the Oath of Fidelity on Assuming the Office to be Exercised in the Name of the
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Church, which states, in fulfilling the charge entrusted to me in the name of the church,
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I shall hold fast to the deposit of faith in its entirety.
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I shall faithfully hand it on and explain it, and I shall avoid any teachings contrary to
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What we're looking at now is a total departure from that, a total departure from divine revelation
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in a spirit of sort of catering to the latest scientific perspectives.
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We don't believe this because it agrees with the latest science.
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We believe in divine revelation because it was divinely revealed.
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And for this paradigm shift to be taken seriously and to be advanced by a cardinal of the stature
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is doing great damage to the church, and it needs to be corrected.
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And the true science actually falls in line with the church's teaching because we've seen
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over the past decades all the studies you would want that show the grave harm of homosexual acts
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to the body, to the psyche, and we know as Catholics the grave harm to the soul.
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So the fighting against this lifestyle choice, if you want to call it that, is actually love.
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It's about telling these people, even though it's politically correct, even though it's
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socially awkward, we love you enough to tell you that this is harmful for you.
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By the way, just as every aberrant sexual act is, including non-homosexual, it's harmful
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for your mind, but it's ultimately harmful for your soul.
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So the want to change this teaching, which is now plainly evident on the part of Cardinal
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Holerich at least, does seem very much to be an agenda.
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But let's unpack first the church teaching on this.
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He says it's open to change, but where is this coming from in the church?
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Is this some, you know, in the medieval age as it was developed, or where is this coming
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I think this is modern innovation and capitulation to a 1970s mindset.
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I'm not going to say it's specifically tied to Vatican II, because I don't think it is
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But we had a society that went off the deep end in the late 60s and early 70s.
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They're using the language of that right now in a very outdated kind of way.
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And as the secular society has degenerated to the point of woke madness, and as our own
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society recognizes that this is woke madness that needs to be turned around, the church
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is about two years behind and heading full steam head into a deeper kind of woke madness that
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really strikes at the heart of the integrity and fundamental truths of the church.
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No, I was just wondering, I mean, what is the biblical basis for the teaching of the church
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Is this something, yeah, it was contained in the Old Testament, excuse me.
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Jesus, often homosexual activists will talk about how Jesus never mentioned homosexuality.
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Where is the church on this question vis-a-vis the New Testament, the teaching after Christ?
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And in 1 Corinthians 6, verses 9 through 10, Paul writes,
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Do you not know that the unjust will not inherit the kingdom of God?
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Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor boy prostitutes, nor sodomites, nor thieves,
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nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor slanderers, nor robbers, will inherit the kingdom of God.
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That's pretty basic, pretty straightforward, and pretty unquestionable.
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So, this has been Catholic teaching from the beginning.
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As you were mentioning earlier, bishops take this vow to uphold all the teachings of the
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church, and this has been with us from the beginning.
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It's been expounded on by popes, explained, and even in modern generations, has been specifically
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reinforced down to nitty-gritty, which we've had to do with the church having to deal now
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with, you know, not only homosexual marriage, but the same-sex civil unions, etc., etc., all
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And now there's something new coming with what Pope Francis has already done, and where the
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There's a bigger picture here than just a war on sexual morality.
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We are sort of breaking the whole paradigm of respect for divine revelation, capitulating
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And in order to advance that, I see this as a scenario where it's necessary to attack
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those who hold fast, as it said in what I read a short time ago, to the deposit of faith.
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The frog in the kettle approach is what has been used throughout this papacy on very many
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fronts, but on homosexuality, it really, really did start from the beginning.
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Right on the balcony with Francis was Cardinal Daniels, who everybody knew for wearing the
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And even though he was one of the very cardinals caught on tape with the cover-up of sexual
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He was such a woke, if you will, among the bishops, presenter of the church's teaching
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on all sorts of issues, but specifically homosexuality.
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You saw then Francis progress to when he welcomed the transgender couple in the Vatican in 2015
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When he came to the U.S. and was confronted with Kim Davis, he sort of, to her face, congratulated
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her, but afterwards fired the nuncio in the U.S., whom we all know now as Archbishop Carlo
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Kim Davis, of course, was that heroic Kentucky clerk who refused to have her signature, as
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a Protestant Christian, refused to have her signature on marriage licenses for homosexuals.
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There is the Pope going on about firing him, her, excuse me, firing Vigano for having invited
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It's gone through lately with the Father James Martin, who has been the foremost pusher
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inside the church for this new take on homosexuality, to embrace it.
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And there is the Pope who has refused an audience to Cardinal Zen, who's refused to answer the
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dubia of the four cardinals, Cardinal Burke and his four cardinals who are expressing such
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He has invited James Martin to speak at the Vatican's World Meeting of Families, invited
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him to be on the Pontifical Council for Social Communications.
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And it's coming from the top of the church, and it's being parroted and supported by most
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And we haven't heard one yet stand up to confront the Pope, as needs to be done.
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What are your final thoughts on what's going on right now?
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Cardinal Hollerich will be in the U.S. for another two weeks.
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He is, unlike Cardinal Cupich, a very approachable person who really, really wants to communicate
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And he has a very serious blind spot in his agenda here.
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But I think this is the time for American Catholics in the upper Midwest to speak with him,
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to make their perspectives known, and to get it out into the media.
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One of the reasons I think that that's so important is that we have a synod where input
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is being taken from a small selection of people, mostly ideologues and activists, and people
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who are intensely concerned about one thing or another.
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In many countries, less than 1% have responded to the synod.
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What I expect will happen, given that all this information has already been gathered,
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is that they will run with what they have, the biased information they have,
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and make their case for a change in church doctrine.
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I don't think we can win that by participating in the synod.
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I think we have to win that by waking up the broader Catholic community and calling on our
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bishops in a way that enables them to stand and stand boldly to stop this process from
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Maybe that's the synod doesn't come to fruition.
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Maybe that's resisting it when it comes to making final decisions.
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So, you know, I want to encourage everybody to do, as Richard just said,
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reach out to Cardinal Hollerich if you're given that opportunity.
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But also there's an opportunity in the media, because this is coming up now.
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The church is really embroiled over this question, even though it's no question at all.
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It's going to take a lot of courage to stand up and speak the truth right now.
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But remember when you do that, to do it in love.
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The position of the church is a position that comes from love.
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He's not going to rail against people who are in sinful lifestyles because they know no better.
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It is our part to say a mea culpa on behalf of these unfaithful bishops, of the lack of teaching in the churches that have led people to sinful lifestyles they don't even know are sinful.
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But the fact of the matter is, these behaviors harm the bodies, they harm the psyches and the souls of our friends, our brothers and sisters, and our fellow parishioners.