The John-Henry Westen Show - Prophecy： War will break out in Europe after Pope visits Moscow

00:00:00.000 We were lucky enough that Mary gave Conchita three signs when the warning was going to be approaching us.

00:00:11.820 So she predicted now this is the 1960s.

00:00:14.960 So the first thing she predicted was a synod.

00:00:18.700 So now there's been many synods that have happened, obviously, since the 1960s.

00:00:23.100 But my personal feeling is this current synod is unlike anything that's ever happened before.

00:00:31.200 None of us have ever seen a three-year constructed synod.

00:00:35.880 So it's unique in that.

00:00:37.800 And then also, I think the agenda for this synod is going to be very controversial.

00:00:44.920 So to me, it stands out in time as the synod that I believe that Mary was talking about.

00:00:51.420 Now, one of the most interesting things she said was it would be when communism returns again.

00:00:59.160 So people immediately questioned this in the 60s and 70s and said, how can it return when it's right here?

00:01:07.120 It just hasn't gone anywhere.

00:01:08.880 So obviously, we saw the breakdown of what was Russia at that time and communist Russia.

00:01:14.860 And it doesn't take a genius to look around today and see how the effects of communism have worked themselves back into society, especially here in America.

00:01:26.580 And the third clue was very distinctive.

00:01:30.940 She said that the pope would go to Moscow.

00:01:34.400 And when he returned, there would hostilities would break out in Europe.

00:01:39.520 So that's a clue that's unmistakable to me.

00:01:42.540 What if I told you that there was a prophecy from heaven that time was to be suspended and all the people on the planet at the same time would experience a view of their own soul as God sees it.

00:01:59.680 They would be convicted of their sins and see their gravity.

00:02:02.920 And what if I told you that one of the signs that is predicted to come right before this to give an indication when it's going to happen is that the pope is to visit Moscow, something that he's never done since these messages were first revealed in the early 60s.

00:02:23.100 And remember that Pope Francis said that after visiting Canada, he was going to visit Moscow.

00:02:28.440 So that could be the precursor sign that we've been waiting for.

00:02:33.700 This might sound unbelievable, I know.

00:02:36.580 But believe it or not, Padre Pio, the great saint Padre Pio, was a super fan, a believer in this prophecy in Garibandale.

00:02:47.040 That's what we're going to be talking about on this episode of the John Henry Weston Show with Glenn Hudson, none other than the greatest spokesman on this issue for the primary seer, Conchita.

00:02:59.700 And also we're going to take a look at some of the clips of a film done about Garibandale called Garibandale Unstoppable Waterfall.

00:03:09.460 Take a look.

00:03:10.020 Gerardly, Garibandale, for me, constitutes a hit within the Marianas apparitions, from the point of view of the medical profession.

00:03:19.780 The number of doctors that appeared in Garibandale and studied in the children, there were many.

00:03:26.480 But before, maybe we would start by saying something about the protagonists.

00:03:31.780 Los protagonistas de Garibandale son cuatro niñas de 11 y 12 años que vivían en esta zona aislada del norte de España, en la zona montañosa,

00:03:44.400 y que por ese aislamiento tenían una edad que probablemente era inferior, quizá tuvieran ocho o nueve años de edad psicológica.

00:03:52.760 Tuvieron, se dice que entre dos mil y tres mil apariciones, acompañadas con éxtasis muy prolongados,

00:03:59.680 de incluso seis y siete horas de duración.

00:04:04.480 Todo esto, unido a fenómenos extraordinarios visibles, hizo que vinieran muchísimos médicos y también, ya digo, teólogos.

00:04:14.040 Glen, welcome to the program.

00:04:43.120 Glen, thank you so much, John Henry, for having me.

00:04:46.740 It's a great honor for me.

00:04:48.580 Let's begin, as we always do, with the sign of the cross.

00:04:51.800 In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.

00:04:56.740 Amen.

00:04:58.260 Okay, so let's back up from the beginning.

00:05:02.040 What is Garibandale, and what were the visions there?

00:05:04.920 So Garibandale is basically a small town in northern Spain, and it's quite remote, to the point where in the 1960s, when the Blessed Mother appeared from 1961 through 1965,

00:05:19.020 this is a town so small that they didn't even have electricity, didn't have a television.

00:05:23.360 And it's amazing.

00:05:27.080 People always ask me, why would Mary pick such a remote place to have apparitions of such a great importance?

00:05:35.700 And I remind them that, A, the entire town is Catholic, of about 300 people, so that's nice.

00:05:43.040 And with that, it's the only town that I know of, and the only apparition that I know of, that has a 500-year history of doing a nightly rosary.

00:05:55.960 So the devotion to Mary and the rosary is amazing.

00:05:59.760 I don't know of another town that I've read that has that.

00:06:04.420 And one of the most special things is that during the apparitions, the Blessed Mother actually told Conchita, God loves this place.

00:06:15.940 It's sacred ground.

00:06:18.300 So that's pretty amazing that God actually singled out Garibandale to have these apparitions.

00:06:25.600 And Mary's mission, if you will, over the four years was not only to instruct people on how to live their daily lives,

00:06:35.640 because really that is the most important part of Garibandale, is what Conchita said is living the message.

00:06:43.220 It's not so much about the things that are prophesied, but it's how to live your daily life.

00:06:50.900 And she said, just lead a good life.

00:06:53.540 And she gave them daily examples of, you know, how to live.

00:06:57.940 And then also, as the girls started to mature and understand more,

00:07:03.500 she eventually gave them the prophecies of three events in the future.

00:07:10.940 One is called the warning, which we've talked about.

00:07:13.640 One is called the miracle.

00:07:16.100 And the third is called the conditional chastisement.

00:07:18.860 You are the person who takes care of the Facebook page for Our Lady of Garibandale.

00:07:25.700 Tell everybody what that is, if you would.

00:07:27.400 Basically, I had worked at the New York Garibandale Center with Joey Lomagino and Conchita.

00:07:36.160 And after being there for about two years, Joey made me the director of public relations.

00:07:43.180 And, you know, I would go out and speak publicly about the apparitions.

00:07:46.860 And several years later, I had the idea to move the apostolate onto Facebook because of its popularity and global reach.

00:07:57.540 And I decided to start an English page.

00:08:00.900 But what I wanted different is not just a page of information.

00:08:04.460 I wanted it to be interactive so that you could ask me a question and you'd almost immediately get an answer.

00:08:12.320 And that started to grow and grow.

00:08:15.060 And then I kind of received the message last year to expand it.

00:08:20.100 And so now I post in 14 languages on Facebook a daily message so that people around the world can ask questions and get an answer in the same day.

00:08:31.660 And it's going great.

00:08:36.120 Okay.

00:08:36.640 So who were the girls you're speaking about?

00:08:40.180 What were their names?

00:08:41.080 And what were their ages as well?

00:08:42.940 Okay.

00:08:43.320 So the main visionary is Conchita Gonzalez.

00:08:48.240 She's age 12.

00:08:50.580 Then you have her cousin.

00:08:51.260 At the time.

00:08:51.520 This is back in 1961.

00:08:52.900 This is 1961.

00:08:54.020 Yeah.

00:08:54.400 Sorry.

00:08:55.060 Her current age is 73.

00:08:57.640 Her cousin is Jacinta Gonzalez.

00:09:01.660 There's a Mary Cruz.

00:09:04.840 And there was a Mary Lowly. 0.94

00:09:07.060 And now all except for the last person, Mary Lowly, all three are still alive.

00:09:13.800 Mary Lowly passed away in 2009 from complications from lupus.

00:09:18.420 So you mentioned the warning, the miracle, and the conditional chastisement.

00:09:25.860 These were messages given by Our Lady to the children after she told them about how to live a Catholic life.

00:09:32.200 So go through that, if you will, one by one.

00:09:35.260 What is the warning supposed to be?

00:09:37.780 Okay.

00:09:39.200 So the warning is this.

00:09:41.160 The world is getting so bad that God is going to actually suspend time on a particular day.

00:09:48.900 And during that suspension of time, He's going to allow you to see your soul as He sees it, complete with all of your sins.

00:10:00.280 So this is unique because most people think that, you know, I lead a pretty good life.

00:10:06.720 You know, I'm not a bad person.

00:10:08.240 I'm pretty good.

00:10:09.100 You know, I'm going to go straight to heaven when I pass.

00:10:12.140 And God sees things, obviously, a lot different than we do.

00:10:16.320 He sees the littlest sins.

00:10:17.740 The thing we don't understand is we don't understand the gravity of even the littlest sin, the littlest offense as He sees it.

00:10:27.260 So He's going to show us all of your sins and the gravity of each one.

00:10:33.360 Now, some Catholics have said to me, well, I've gone to confession, and I don't have to really worry about those past sins.

00:10:40.040 And I try to gently correct them and say, Conchita told me all sins.

00:10:46.840 And the reason for that is I ask them, explain to me, how does God see the difference of you using foul language and you killing someone?

00:11:00.960 Well, the person doesn't know how to explain the gravity because we don't understand how God sees these things.

00:11:06.700 So the warning is going to show you all of the sins and the gravity that God sees it.

00:11:14.560 Now, also, that event is going to start with some type of explosion, I guess, in the sky.

00:11:24.440 Conchita, as a 12-year-old, described it as two stars.

00:11:29.020 It looked like two stars that were colliding.

00:11:32.740 So maybe it's two stars, maybe it's not.

00:11:36.320 She wasn't very specific as to was it actually two stars.

00:11:40.540 So I try not to tell people, look for two stars colliding.

00:11:43.860 It could be something that resembles it, like I said, because this is a 12-year-old.

00:11:48.100 And this warning is meant for a correction of conscience for all of us, and even to the point where it's going to show you omissions of sin.

00:12:01.640 So a sin of omission is when you had a chance maybe to do something good and purposely didn't.

00:12:08.820 So that's something that will surprise people, I think, when they encompass this whole event.

00:12:15.400 Now, okay, so this is fascinating.

00:12:18.400 For one thing, I think there have been movies and television shows based on concepts like this.

00:12:24.840 Because I think what you're saying is the whole wide world will experience this at the same time?

00:12:29.660 Yes.

00:12:31.520 Okay, so that brings up a ton of questions.

00:12:35.640 So if the world all goes through this at the same time, what about people driving?

00:12:44.000 What about planes flying?

00:12:45.620 That's been in the movies.

00:12:46.800 You know, there's some kind of world event where everybody sees the same thing or goes into unconsciousness or whatever they go into.

00:12:52.880 Planes crash out of the sky.

00:12:54.800 People get into accidents on the highway, et cetera.

00:12:57.740 Is there any explanation for that?

00:12:59.460 Yeah.

00:12:59.900 With your thinking and these people are thinking in only human terms.

00:13:05.720 We're not thinking in God's terms.

00:13:08.100 And nothing is impossible for God.

00:13:10.620 So I'm sure he's taken all of that into account.

00:13:14.400 And if everything freezes, there really won't be any accidents.

00:13:18.220 It'll be, to us, it might seem as a momentary second where we experience this and we really don't know how long it's going to last, time-wise, because it's God's time, not ours.

00:13:32.740 But I'm sure he's taking into account every possibility of safety.

00:13:38.100 So I'm not really concerned.

00:13:40.700 Right.

00:13:41.200 Well, definitely, if you're going to have to go through all your sins, I'm going to take an extra long time, so everybody will be waiting.

00:13:49.660 But because this sounds so unbelievable, I want to just go back to Padre Pio.

00:13:56.720 So Padre Pio, I think, for most of us today, is an acknowledged saint.

00:14:01.480 It was so painfully obvious that he was holy, that he was close to God, that he saw people's souls.

00:14:08.980 He was able to tell people their sins in the confessional when they forgot them.

00:14:12.480 Unbelievable stuff.

00:14:14.440 Tell us about Padre Pio's devotion to or belief in or faith in the messages of Garibandal.

00:14:21.540 Because they're so, it sounds like, out of this world incredible, their credulity is attacked.

00:14:28.240 And, you know, this does sound like the stuff out of science fiction movies.

00:14:33.120 So let's hear about Padre Pio.

00:14:36.180 Well, to hear about Padre Pio, you need to just back up a little bit, because it really entails the involvement of the life of Joey Lomangino.

00:14:44.220 And that's how Padre Pio became involved.

00:14:47.540 Joey Lomangino is about 16 years old.

00:14:50.880 He's working for his family business after school.

00:14:52.980 And he's driving a truck and he's getting a flat tire.

00:14:56.740 So he stops to fill up the tire.

00:14:59.420 And the tire explodes.

00:15:01.280 And the rim hits him in the forehead and crushes his forehead and severs all the olfactory nerves.

00:15:09.140 So that he immediately goes blind, loses his sense of smell, and he goes into a coma.

00:15:14.940 And this happens on June 27, 1947, uniquely on the Feast of Our Lady of Perpetual Health.

00:15:24.280 He wakes up in July on the Feast of Our Lady of Mount Carmel.

00:15:31.700 So this is interesting.

00:15:32.920 His life always evolves around a Marian celebration.

00:15:35.940 So now he's in the family business, but in a somewhat limited role because of the loss of his sight.

00:15:45.480 And one of his uncles decides to take him to Italy for a vacation.

00:15:50.060 And while they're there, he says, you know, Padre Pio is saying mass at six o'clock.

00:15:54.080 Why don't we drive up to San Giovanni and we'll go listen to mass?

00:15:57.880 And Joey goes.

00:15:58.860 And he said, you know, while we're here, why don't you go to confession?

00:16:01.520 So now, you know, Joey's a grown man in his early 30s, and he goes to confession to Padre Pio.

00:16:07.860 And when he's done, Padre Pio says, is that it?

00:16:12.620 And Joey says, yeah.

00:16:14.720 And Padre Pio goes on to tell him a litany of things that he forgot to mention, whether he did it on purpose or not.

00:16:21.420 And Joey breaks down crying in the confessional.

00:16:24.560 And he says, don't worry, Joey.

00:16:26.040 You know, in time, you're going to be OK.

00:16:28.020 Don't worry.

00:16:28.600 So two years later, he returns to see Padre Pio again with his uncle.

00:16:34.800 And during this visit, after confession, Padre Pio comes over to him and touches him on the forehead and blesses him.

00:16:43.600 And his sense of smell instantly returns, which is physically impossible because he has no nerves.

00:16:49.360 They've been severed.

00:16:50.680 And Joey actually jumps back because he hasn't smelt anything since he was 16.

00:16:55.000 So, you know, Padre Pio assures him, you're going to be OK.

00:17:00.420 You know, take it easy.

00:17:01.660 And Joey asks him at that time, I understand that these apparitions are happening in Garibondale, Spain.

00:17:07.960 Should I go there?

00:17:09.260 And he said, sure.

00:17:10.180 Why not?

00:17:11.520 So Joey goes to Garibondale with his uncle.

00:17:14.340 And that's when he meets Conchita and they become friendly.

00:17:19.460 So the great thing for the apostolate is, first of all, you have one of the greatest living saints ever.

00:17:26.740 That's undeniable because he could read souls.

00:17:30.940 And there are many stories where he actually bilocated to Garibondale.

00:17:39.000 Conchita has this has been recorded in books that he bilocated there.

00:17:43.820 So this is something that he's really involved in.

00:17:47.060 And he was very vocal about his opinion.

00:17:50.100 It wasn't only Joey Lamangino that he confirmed the validity of Garibondale to.

00:17:55.400 He did it to many people.

00:17:57.720 If you come to my website, you can see the litany of quotes that I have.

00:18:03.120 But he always supported Conchita and always supported the apparitions during his life.

00:18:09.420 And this is probably one of the most telltale signs of his belief in Garibondale is that on his deathbed, he bequeathed to Conchita, of all people in the world, he left her his personal rosary.

00:18:24.860 One of the veils that covered his face during his wake and he also left her one of his bloody gloves and part of a bandage.

00:18:38.820 So for her to have and she has these things.

00:18:43.640 So that's a pretty good confirmation that he wanted this legacy of his belief to continue by extending these gifts to Conchita after his death.

00:18:56.180 Wow. Okay. So we've got the warning and the miracle, which actually precedes the warning or launches it off, if you will.

00:19:07.960 And then comes this possible chastisement or conditional chastisement.

00:19:13.860 What's that supposed to be?

00:19:14.660 So the conditional chastisement is basically God is giving us the warning to correct our conscience.

00:19:23.600 He's going to provide the miracle back at Garibondale at the pine trees where the Blessed Mother appeared.

00:19:29.160 And that is a confirmation saying, okay, whether you doubt what I told you with the warning, whether it was true or not, you didn't imagine it.

00:19:37.320 Here's a miracle that's undeniable.

00:19:40.800 And Mary told Conchita this will be the greatest miracle God has ever performed.

00:19:45.660 So you have the warning.

00:19:47.140 You have this backed up by the miracle.

00:19:49.860 Now, if the world doesn't repent and change, then we're facing this chastisement.

00:19:56.860 Now, the first question I'm always asked is, what's the time span between the miracle and the possible chastisement?

00:20:02.780 And that we have no answer for.

00:20:04.320 So it could be weeks, could be months, could be years, could be decades.

00:20:08.320 We have no idea.

00:20:10.480 The point is, the whole world really has to get on board and see their sin and change and repent.

00:20:19.200 Now, the little bit that's been written about the chastisement in Garibondale, I have two quotes from Conchita and Mary Loli.

00:20:29.180 And Conchita said, it would be worse than being enveloped in fire from above and below.

00:20:39.480 So that's pretty horrendous.

00:20:42.440 And what Mary Loli saw, she said, I saw rivers change to blood and fire fell from the sky.

00:20:52.180 So those are pretty, pretty horrific descriptions of what we may be facing.

00:20:59.600 Yeah, definitely.

00:21:01.640 And this warning, excuse me, this miracle that you said is in the pine trees.

00:21:06.240 What do you mean by that?

00:21:07.660 Basically, it's going to happen in that, in the vicinity, I would assume above the pine trees in the sky, because it's going to be visible for everybody.

00:21:19.360 And when you say, so this will be in Garibondale, Spain?

00:21:23.140 Yes, it'll be like a standing miracle just staying there.

00:21:27.380 Yes, so now it's actually a two-stage event.

00:21:32.940 So Conchita described it as basically some type of miraculous event.

00:21:38.660 And again, I just have to assume it's above the pine trees in the sky so everyone can see it.

00:21:45.620 And then that's going to last, she said, for about 15 minutes.

00:21:49.240 And then God's going to leave a permanent sign for eternity.

00:21:53.460 And this will be televised, because I've already spoken to EWTN when Mother Angelica was alive.

00:22:04.680 We met her several times, and she was a big proponent of it.

00:22:08.840 So I know that at least EWTN will probably televise it.

00:22:13.440 And then I'm going to do the best that I can to convince major media events to stations to televise it.

00:22:21.100 And I think hopefully they will if they experience the warning, you know, and the miracle.

00:22:26.520 And obviously the internet is going to carry it.

00:22:31.700 Obviously.

00:22:32.920 So, okay.

00:22:35.720 How is this then related to the Pope going to Moscow?

00:22:40.220 Okay.

00:22:41.780 So now we were lucky enough that Mary gave Conchita three signs when the warning was going to be approaching us.

00:22:55.320 So she predicted now, this is the 1960s.

00:22:58.700 So the first thing she predicted was a synod.

00:23:01.280 So now there's been many synods that have happened, obviously, since the 1960s.

00:23:07.200 But my personal feeling is this current synod is unlike anything that's ever happened before.

00:23:14.840 None of us have ever seen a three-year constructed synod.

00:23:19.400 So it's unique in that.

00:23:21.320 And then also I think the agenda for this synod is going to be very controversial.

00:23:27.720 So to me, it stands out in time as the synod that I believe that Mary was talking about.

00:23:35.580 Now, one of the most interesting things she said was it would be when communism returns again.

00:23:42.620 So people immediately questioned this in the 60s and 70s and said, how can it return when it's right here?

00:23:50.640 It just hasn't gone anywhere.

00:23:51.940 So obviously we saw the breakdown of what was Russia at that time and communist Russia.

00:23:58.760 And it doesn't take a genius to look around today and see how the effects of communism have worked themselves back into society, especially here in America.

00:24:10.400 And the third clue was very distinctive.

00:24:14.100 She said that the Pope would go to Moscow and when he returned, there would hostilities would break out in Europe.

00:24:23.300 So that's a clue that's unmistakable to me.

00:24:28.480 It's very interesting that no Pope has yet gone to Moscow since 1960.

00:24:34.900 So that's a very, very definite clue.

00:24:39.260 And of course, because Pope Francis has said that after Canada, he was going to Moscow and he's already completed the Canada trip and just the Kazakhstan one just now, this might be very soon.

00:24:52.300 The synod you speak of, the synod on synodality is ending in 2023.

00:24:55.880 And so we do have these signs with COVID, the lockdowns particularly, we saw a reignition of a type of communism, which I think most people thought was extinct.

00:25:11.100 So it is very interesting.

00:25:13.940 There's also one more really providential thing, at least for me.

00:25:18.280 The reason why we're talking was because LifeSite made an error.

00:25:25.640 We did a show and we had mentioned about Garabandell.

00:25:28.960 I don't know that much about it or didn't before.

00:25:31.460 And it was mentioned that the visit of the Pope to Moscow would herald the coming of Antichrist.

00:25:40.220 But then we got a message from yourself about how, no, it wasn't about the Antichrist.

00:25:46.280 It was about the warning.

00:25:48.280 And that was funny because I didn't get your message directly.

00:25:52.080 It came in to, I'm sure, somewhere on staff.

00:25:55.140 But meanwhile, on my end, I was contacted by a friend who is into all these things who said,

00:26:01.440 you should interview Conchita.

00:26:03.280 She's still alive.

00:26:04.560 And I kind of said, well, you know, sure, that would be great.

00:26:08.400 No contact information there.

00:26:10.080 That's likely not going to happen.

00:26:12.780 And then you called.

00:26:13.900 And so I thought, okay, that's quite the, I love how God works.

00:26:21.120 He works often through people's foibles.

00:26:23.680 And that's great because I foible a lot.

00:26:26.400 But yeah, a beautiful intro to you.

00:26:31.000 And when we first talked, it was great for me.

00:26:34.040 And obviously, Lifestyle apologizes for the error.

00:26:37.720 But God uses errors for such great things.

00:26:40.300 Yeah, I just wanted to quickly mention that at no time during the Garibandela apparitions was it ever said that the name of the Antichrist or the term Antichrist was ever used.

00:26:54.460 And that's all.

00:26:57.740 That may be part of another apparition or some other information, but at least a Garibandela was never mentioned.

00:27:04.920 So it's interesting, though.

00:27:06.780 I'm presuming you may have talked to Conchita about such things, because one of the general lines of sort of prophecy is about end time prophecy and what that entails.

00:27:19.600 And obviously, it entails Antichrist, but this seems to come before all that.

00:27:26.580 And then there's a debate among people who are into Catholic prophecy of what's coming.

00:27:32.620 Some people say there's like a minor chastisement first.

00:27:35.680 Then we have an era of peace, perhaps connected to what Our Lady of Fatima said.

00:27:39.980 When the consecration is done, there will be peace.

00:27:42.260 My Immaculate Heart will triumph.

00:27:43.440 And perhaps then after that comes Antichrist and all of those things that the scriptures talk about at the end of time.

00:27:51.620 So have you ever had a talk with Conchita about such things?

00:27:56.600 Well, again, I've known her for 30 years.

00:28:00.060 So a lot of my conversations with her were early on when I was trying to learn and also trying to be respectful and not pester her with a million questions.

00:28:10.620 That's how we've remained friends so long.

00:28:13.060 I don't bother her all the time anymore.

00:28:16.380 But the interesting thing about Garabandale is it was somewhat limited in the time span of facts and events.

00:28:27.180 So it only really goes up to the time of the conditional chastisement.

00:28:34.100 There really wasn't any prophecies of the time period after that.

00:28:39.740 So it's really hard to comment on what's going to happen, you know, at the time period of the chastisement or possible chastisement or a reduced chastisement.

00:28:52.140 And then what happens after that?

00:28:54.120 Because I don't have there's no information from Garabandale prophecies that speaks to that.

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00:29:23.600 And now back to the video.

00:29:27.560 I do want to learn of what the church has officially said about Garabandale because I know that, you know, they've the church regards Fatima as an approved apparition.

00:29:39.380 What's the status of Garabandale?

00:29:41.240 Okay, now this is another interesting and a little bit of a long story.

00:29:46.100 So I need to give you a little bit of history.

00:29:48.760 So I'm actually going to go back in time so that you understand what happened with the first bishop because most people have never heard this story.

00:29:56.880 In 1931 through 1933, the Blessed Mother appeared in Spain and as Kiaga, and she appeared to a seven-year-old boy and I think an 11-year-old girl.

00:30:08.760 And literally almost the same thing happened where she gave them talks on how to be better in life, and she talked about a miracle and a possible chastisement.

00:30:22.840 So this is in 1931 through 1933.

00:30:26.160 At that time, though, in Spain, there was like a political civil war.

00:30:31.340 And at this time, the socialists wind up taking over.

00:30:35.480 And what they did, well, you know, what they do is they try to minimize or crush religion because it keeps people, gives them hope as opposed to put all your faith in the government.

00:30:47.000 So they went after the Jesuits immediately and disbanded the Jesuit orders and even killed some of the Jesuit priests.

00:30:58.080 And they ordered the church to condemn Eskiaga at that time.

00:31:04.540 Now you fast forward to 1961.

00:31:07.560 It's 30 years later.

00:31:09.100 And here we go again.

00:31:10.920 Now we have four young girls saying they've seen the Blessed Mother.

00:31:14.100 She's given messages and the first Bishop Fernandez, he was only there for about a year or so, from 61 through 62, before it changed.

00:31:24.680 And he doesn't want to deal with this headache at all.

00:31:28.560 He has no interest in proving it's, you know, truth or not.

00:31:33.600 So he constructs a commission with the sole purpose of shooting down the apparitions.

00:31:42.520 So he appoints a priest, a couple of doctors, and what they do is they start this investigation.

00:31:49.480 But the interesting thing is the girls are never interviewed.

00:31:53.900 So how is this valid?

00:31:56.000 Their parents are never interviewed.

00:31:58.680 So whose testimony are you collecting?

00:32:00.940 The first thing the problem is.

00:32:02.840 The second one is that the priest who is assigned to oversee the case resigns.

00:32:08.800 He's so convinced from the testimony from the girls and the daily miracles that he's witnessing, he only, in good conscience, he can't stay on as the commission head priest.

00:32:21.600 So he resigns.

00:32:22.920 Now, talk about funny.

00:32:24.980 Later on in life, he actually becomes the Bishop of Santander.

00:32:28.120 And in 1987, he starts his own commission.

00:32:33.800 But this is so bad, this commission, that not only does the priest design, the two doctors actually take Conchita away from her home to a beach town and try to get her to, you know, redact her testimony.

00:32:49.300 And when she won't do that, one of the doctors tries to hypnotize her.

00:32:55.060 And as the doctor goes to hypnotize her, the Blessed Mother appears to her.

00:32:59.560 She goes into an ecstatic state and hears nothing.

00:33:04.240 They were so upset with Conchita, they cut her hair off.

00:33:10.260 She had very long braids.

00:33:12.140 They cut her hair off because her hair had magical powers. 1.00

00:33:15.900 These are the people that are making the decision on Garibald Dell.

00:33:21.940 Other things where the Civil Guard, the Brigadier General of the Civil Guard, who witnesses these events every day, it's his job to protect the girls because of the influx of people now coming to Garibald Dell.

00:33:34.400 He's witnessed so many things.

00:33:35.980 He actually writes a letter and calls the commission a farce because they're obviously ignoring all of the daily facts that are coming in.

00:33:45.900 And the most telling thing about this first commission, it never sends a report to the Vatican.

00:33:52.120 So now the Vatican is like, how are we supposed to make a judgment when we don't even have a report?

00:33:59.240 All we hear is completely different, conflicting stories about Garibald Dell.

00:34:04.400 And that all changes later on when Conchita visits the Vatican.

00:34:10.640 So even recently, one of the bishops, Zamora, visited Garibald Dell twice, did mass there twice, and kissed one of the crucifixes that Mary kissed at the apparitions.

00:34:29.260 So that shows you that the times are changing and the views about Garibald Dell, there's so much more information out about it now.

00:34:37.420 And the truth has come out over the decades that I believe that they're a little bit more open to it.

00:34:44.280 Is the 1987 inquiry still going on?

00:34:47.040 That is still an open file at the Vatican.

00:34:51.360 And if you'll allow me, I'll tell you about Conchita's visit to the Vatican, because I think it's an important part of what's going on.

00:35:00.080 Pope Paul VI is so intrigued by all of this.

00:35:03.840 He basically wants Conchita to come in. 0.99

00:35:06.380 And there's a lot of resistance from the church in Santander about letting her go there.

00:35:14.380 And he basically orders her to come to the Vatican.

00:35:18.740 She's interviewed for two and a half hours by Cardinal Ardiviani.

00:35:23.600 And he's so convinced that she's telling the truth that he blesses her and sets up a private meeting with Conchita, her mother, and a friend, Dr. Mede, who traveled with them to Rome, a private audience with the Pope.

00:35:41.640 When he's done questioning Conchita, he says to her, Conchita, I bless you.

00:35:47.600 And the whole church blesses you.

00:35:49.500 So now, during that conversation that they had, Conchita reveals the date of the future miracle to the Pope's private secretary, who tells the Pope.

00:36:04.920 So the church is in an awkward position.

00:36:07.820 They don't want to really embarrass the bishops of Santander, which oversees Garibondale.

00:36:15.780 So they say, basically, well, let's be prudent.

00:36:19.500 We have the date of the future miracle.

00:36:22.020 If we wait till it comes and it happens, then we can certainly approve it.

00:36:27.860 And that's kind of the position of the church right now.

00:36:31.580 There is an official clarification that was made.

00:36:37.860 So there's three types of rulings that apparitions fall under.

00:36:43.600 The one that Garibondale falls under is called non-constant supernatural date.

00:36:50.100 That's a mouthful.

00:36:51.520 And what that means is they're not sure if the apparitions are certain or not.

00:36:59.360 So there is – obviously, there's a ruling for yes, they're certain.

00:37:02.420 No, they're not.

00:37:03.620 If Garibondale falls under the third, they're just going to say we're not sure right now.

00:37:07.920 But I think that middle one also suggests that they don't offend the faith.

00:37:14.300 Is that not right?

00:37:15.320 Yeah.

00:37:15.800 Like I said, they're not – well, I think they're also afraid of not offending the Blessed Mother

00:37:21.380 because there were so many physical miracles that were seen there that confirm her presence that are undeniable.

00:37:30.040 So you would be offending her.

00:37:32.740 But they also don't want to embarrass their own bishops.

00:37:37.860 If you can, tell us a couple of those miracles that perhaps stand out.

00:37:41.680 As you said, there's very many of them.

00:37:43.200 But just give us a couple of examples.

00:37:45.340 Well, the first one is that, again, these girls are 11 to 12 years old.

00:37:50.820 And while everyone hears parts of a rosary, they don't know the rosary.

00:37:58.260 And the girls start – the first thing Mary teaches them is the rosary.

00:38:03.480 So while they're in this ecstatic state, they start repeating the rosary.

00:38:08.140 And people are amazed like they know that their daughters hadn't memorized it.

00:38:12.220 It was impossible.

00:38:13.580 So the first little miracle is they know the rosary and all of the mysteries.

00:38:19.500 The second thing is – remember I told you that some doctors were brought in.

00:38:23.420 So these doctors were brought in to, you know, show that these were fake apparitions.

00:38:29.200 But every test they did wound up proving it.

00:38:32.360 So, like, they started calmly by just pinching the girls when they were in an ecstatic state and nothing would happen. 0.89

00:38:38.880 Well, let's stick them with a needle. 1.00

00:38:40.840 They stick them with a needle. 0.96

00:38:42.140 There's no reaction.

00:38:43.700 When that doesn't work, they go to the extent of trying to burn them with a match.

00:38:47.660 That has no effect on the girls. 0.93

00:38:51.560 Then two men can't pick up an 11-year-old girl while she's in an ecstatic state.

00:38:58.740 It's like she's bolted to the ground.

00:39:01.360 Then the girls have these ecstatic flights where they can – once they're in ecstasy, their eyes are always focused upwards towards Mary. 0.84

00:39:10.260 And they can walk through this rocky mountain cow path and terrain, never looking down.

00:39:18.620 I mean, I've got pictures of, you know, the area, the huge rocks.

00:39:22.240 I'm not talking stones.

00:39:23.300 These are rocks.

00:39:25.340 Never a twisted angle.

00:39:27.640 No one ever falls.

00:39:29.160 So they can travel forwards and backwards and at night, never looking down at the ground, which is amazing.

00:39:38.300 Now, somebody had commented to me, oh, walking backwards, that's a demonic sign.

00:39:46.100 I said, read the stories.

00:39:48.540 I said, learn the facts.

00:39:49.960 The facts is they were backing away from the church doors where the tabernacle was exposed.

00:39:56.480 So not to offend Jesus, they walk backwards at certain times.

00:40:02.640 Other things that happened.

00:40:04.940 Mary allowed a Polaroid to be taken by Conchita.

00:40:08.300 We have a picture of that.

00:40:10.100 The only apparition I ever heard of where Mary's voice was actually recorded for a brief time.

00:40:16.920 The girls had asked her to speak.

00:40:19.500 And she said, no, I won't speak.

00:40:22.200 And that was actually caught on tape.

00:40:24.720 And the girls ran it down the mountain. 1.00

00:40:27.520 They played it once in front of a group of people.

00:40:30.420 And then as more people started to come, they rewound it, went to play it again, and it didn't play.

00:40:37.920 And that was the last time it was heard.

00:40:39.740 But it was heard twice.

00:40:41.080 So that's the only time I've ever heard that.

00:40:46.540 Priests tried to trick Mary by dressing in civilian clothes or having women accompany them to the apparitions so they looked like a couple.

00:40:56.620 And Mary would be able to point out to the girls that, you know, this is my son.

00:41:01.760 He's a priest.

00:41:02.580 One of the most amazing things is, obviously, as the apparitions grew more popular and people actually believed Mary was there, they wanted sacramentals kissed.

00:41:13.660 So they would put out large tables and people would pile on rosaries and wedding rings and sacramental items.

00:41:22.000 And the girls were able to, even though the rosaries became entangled, they would just pick it one apart.

00:41:28.320 It would come right out.

00:41:29.540 Mary would venerate it.

00:41:31.740 And they could walk through the crowd and give it back to the person who owned it, never looking at them, always with their eyes on Mary.

00:41:39.720 Wedding rings were the same thing.

00:41:41.000 They could return wedding rings to the proper people.

00:41:43.660 And probably the greatest sign, undeniable, that Mary was there is she, Conchita said, listen, you know, we need something really big to convince these people because some of them still doubt you after all that they'd seen.

00:42:00.140 So Mary says, in 15 days, the Eucharist is going to appear on your tongue while you're in an ecstatic state.

00:42:12.060 So the 15 days goes by, and then Conchita kneels down, she goes into an ecstatic state, and there's actually film footage and still photos of an illuminated Eucharist on her tongue, as Mary predicted.

00:42:27.060 So that's just some of the things that happened.

00:42:31.840 Crazy.

00:42:32.620 So last question for you, because I know, you know, you've got to get going as well, Glenn.

00:42:37.860 But so, you know, Conchita, there's another couple of the now older ladies still alive. 1.00

00:42:47.560 What are they doing?

00:42:50.540 They're living, I presume, they're living Catholic lives and so on.

00:42:54.040 But what are they thinking about the times we live in?

00:42:58.540 What did they think when we hit COVID?

00:43:00.760 Did they see in that something of what they were expecting in terms of the pre-signs, if you will, for the warning?

00:43:08.580 Yeah, now, I'll cover all three girls that are still alive.

00:43:12.880 So Mary Cruz, really, unfortunately for her, her parents hindered her from going to the Visions.

00:43:22.040 When they would get this calling to come outside, unfortunately, Mary Cruz's parents didn't like the ridicule that they were getting from the village people or visitors.

00:43:35.360 So they started to hinder her from actually attending.

00:43:38.380 So she lost the Visions first.

00:43:40.520 So she actually wound up moving about 100 miles from Garabandale.

00:43:46.540 And she occasionally visits there, but she's had very little to say.

00:43:51.240 And her recollection of the apparitions that she did have as an 11-year-old are a little hazy.

00:44:00.220 Jacinta, I'm friendly with her husband, especially, and one of her nephews.

00:44:06.020 She lives in California.

00:44:08.520 She has appeared publicly from time to time.

00:44:13.560 You know, she speaks when asked, but it's not like she's going out of her way to, you know, to proclaim anything new.

00:44:25.700 Because most of them have already done interviews.

00:44:28.500 They've already spoken.

00:44:29.580 Everything's been recorded.

00:44:30.640 Now, unfortunately for Conchita, she bears the burden of holding this date of the miracle.

00:44:37.400 And she's going to announce that eight days in advance.

00:44:40.060 And, you know, for the first 20 years after the apparitions, she did everything.

00:44:47.780 She was on television.

00:44:49.180 She did, you know, interviews.

00:44:50.860 She did newspapers, magazines.

00:44:52.760 And it's the same questions over and over and over again.

00:44:56.960 And so it came to a point where she basically stopped because she said, it's all in the books already.

00:45:04.260 Everything you're asking me is already in the books.

00:45:06.380 And, you know, people forget that her vocation in life was not only to be a visionary.

00:45:12.640 You know, she became a mother, a wife, you know, so she had a grandmother, you know, so she had other responsibilities and duties in life besides this. 0.54

00:45:23.620 But she actually did during the pandemic.

00:45:29.940 Obviously, the world had never seen anything like this.

00:45:33.100 And I was so concerned that I called her up and said, you know, if you want to, you may want to, you know, release a statement as to what your feelings are about the pandemic.

00:45:45.220 And actually, the next day, she called me back and said, write this down word for word and release it.

00:45:51.040 And I have that statement if you'd like me to read it for your listeners.

00:45:55.120 Please do.

00:45:55.480 Please do.

00:45:56.100 I have to put on my glasses.

00:46:00.880 So I asked her this on March 18th, and she released this statement.

00:46:07.560 Of what year, March 18th?

00:46:09.760 March 19th of 2020.

00:46:12.520 Yes.

00:46:12.900 Yeah.

00:46:13.680 God is detaching us from the securities of this world.

00:46:17.100 In the silence of the church or in our house, we are now able to make an examination of conscience so that we can clean whatever prevents us from hearing the voice of God clearly.

00:46:31.140 With sincerity, we can ask God to tell us what he wants of us today and continue to do that every day and spend as much time as possible with God at church or somewhere in your home or wherever you find silence.

00:46:51.300 He is all we need.

00:46:52.780 You know, Glenn, I think the idea of a warning is so needed today because people just, they don't even know what the truth is anymore.

00:47:09.460 There is so much confusion, even in the church, even among clergy, as to truth, as to what sin truly is, that the warning is needed in such a huge way.

00:47:24.660 In fact, there's a saying by, it was Billy Graham's wife who first said it, if God doesn't do something soon, he's going to have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah.

00:47:34.720 And it is, there's, there's, there's a lot of truth in, in that saying, but the idea of a clarity of conscience, a one last clarity for people so that they have to decide finally in a way that they finally get it and understand what truth is and what evil is and what good is.

00:47:56.380 Boy, is that ever needed today.

00:48:00.440 Yeah, now more than ever.

00:48:02.540 And unfortunately, one of the quotes from Mary Lully, she said that the warning will come when things are at their worst.

00:48:11.880 So we're not even at that point yet.

00:48:14.220 So hang on to your rosaries.

00:48:17.380 It's, it's, there's some difficult times coming.

00:48:21.040 Awesome, Glenn.

00:48:21.820 Well, thank you for that.

00:48:22.540 Where can people go to learn more about Garabandell and how can they reach out to you?

00:48:28.120 I'm on Facebook.

00:48:29.740 It's called The Message of Garabandell.

00:48:32.460 And that's the English page.

00:48:34.040 And if you go on that page and write to me, I have 14 other languages.

00:48:39.080 If you know people in those languages, I can direct you towards those pages.

00:48:44.040 And I'm also on a site called Mother of God.

00:48:48.860 Beautiful.

00:48:50.140 Glenn Hudson, thank you so much for being with us.

00:48:53.080 And may God bless you.

00:48:54.900 John Henry, I thank you for this time and for a chance to enlighten people as to the message of Garabandell and Mary's messages.

00:49:02.380 Thank you and God bless your ministry.

00:49:04.540 Thank you.

00:49:05.860 And God bless all of you.

00:49:07.800 We'll see you next time.

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The John-Henry Westen Show - September 23, 2022

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