The John-Henry Westen Show


Prophet Priest： The Truth of Fr. Malachi Martin REVEALED


Summary

In this episode, we speak with Rob Morrow, who was a close friend of Father Malachi Martin and was with him for 10 years. He tells us about his knowledge of the Third Secret of Fatima, what it means about the Pope and prelates in the Church, and much more.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Pope John Paul II, he didn't skirt the issue, but he framed his answer very carefully.
00:00:05.340 He said, in order to prevent the worldwide power of communism from undertaking certain moves
00:00:12.020 against the West, my predecessors in the Sea of Peter have diplomatically referred
00:00:18.340 to withhold publication of the message.
00:00:20.840 How many of you recall Father Malachi Martin?
00:00:30.920 He's actually quite the character.
00:00:34.420 He lived a life that was very blessed indeed.
00:00:37.180 He was a Jesuit, a Jesuit who did what we'd all like to see priests doing nowadays.
00:00:43.840 He called out his brother Jesuits for their infidelity, for their going in a direction
00:00:49.860 of an antichrist.
00:00:51.440 He wrote a book on it called The Jesuits, and it was very controversial because it actually
00:00:55.940 named names.
00:00:57.540 Believe it or not, he actually went right out and named names in a book released publicly.
00:01:03.480 Unbelievable.
00:01:04.340 It's what we wish everyone would do, but of course, that comes with its consequences.
00:01:08.700 We all know the cancel culture today is very active.
00:01:11.140 Well, the cancel culture was then as well, and we're going to find out about Father Malachi
00:01:17.460 Martin.
00:01:17.980 Very interesting fellow.
00:01:19.220 There was a film made about him.
00:01:22.100 He was an exorcist.
00:01:24.140 He actually saw demons, but you might wonder, why did he run around without clerics on?
00:01:33.620 I know many Jesuits do that nowadays, but a priest who seemed so holy and so good, why
00:01:39.320 was that?
00:01:40.120 Let's take a look first at a clip from the trailer from the film about Father Malachi Martin.
00:01:48.160 Take a look.
00:01:50.040 I still believe that Malachi was the target, and not that little girl.
00:01:54.740 She was the bait.
00:02:00.140 We're talking about a four-year-old child.
00:02:02.120 She was innocence personified.
00:02:04.400 There was no reason why this kid should have been afflicted in this way, and he was called
00:02:08.780 by Christ to do these things.
00:02:10.400 He was a great mythomaniac.
00:02:23.660 He was just a liar and a scoundrel and a cheat.
00:02:26.580 He's a warrior.
00:02:28.240 He was a warrior for God, and he still is a warrior for God.
00:02:32.860 These are very, very sophisticated spirits who are there to harm us.
00:02:39.640 And there we are.
00:02:40.840 And we're going to be speaking now with one of the people involved in the production of
00:02:55.200 that very film, a person who actually got to know Father Malachi Martin very well.
00:03:00.080 He is a close friend and was with him for 10 years, and he's able to tell us firsthand
00:03:06.880 about Malachi Martin, his knowledge of the Third Secret of Fatima, of what it means about
00:03:12.520 the Pope or prelates in the Church, about his exorcism days, and much more.
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00:04:06.700 Rob Morrow, welcome to the program.
00:04:08.620 Thank you very much, John Henry.
00:04:10.220 It's an honor and a privilege to meet you and appear.
00:04:13.680 Thank you for the invitation.
00:04:15.260 Let's begin as we always do with the sign of the cross.
00:04:16.980 In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.
00:04:22.860 Amen.
00:04:23.220 So, this is really very stunning that you were such a close friend to Father Malika Martin,
00:04:31.800 a great figure, and very well-known, but there's a lot of mystery there.
00:04:37.100 We're going to get into that.
00:04:38.300 But I want to start with probably the most controversial thing.
00:04:42.620 People that, you know, know about him, know about the Third Fatima Secret and all the controversy
00:04:47.460 there.
00:04:47.740 What was his take on the Third Secret of Fatima?
00:04:52.220 I know, you know, I think everybody knows that he read it, but maybe give us that background
00:04:55.660 as well.
00:04:56.560 This is common knowledge.
00:04:57.860 He was the chief aide to Augustine Cardinal Bea, senior Jesuit cardinal, just prior to
00:05:07.460 and during the Second Vatican.
00:05:09.120 And he had told me that one morning he was summoned by Cardinal Bea, they went up to the
00:05:15.940 Papal Apartments.
00:05:17.480 He was asked to wait, I guess, in an anteroom or a waiting area outside the Axe of the Papal
00:05:26.440 Apartments.
00:05:27.140 He said, Cardinal Bea went inside.
00:05:28.920 He was accompanied by several other prominent cardinals, cardinals with Bocci, Cardinal Lataviani,
00:05:38.580 Suenens, just a bunch of very prominent cardinals, Cardinal Luccaro.
00:05:44.960 And what year are we dealing with here?
00:05:46.680 This was in 1959.
00:05:49.660 And he said the doors were closed.
00:05:52.700 And for about the next 45 minutes to an hour, I won't call it argumentation, he heard very
00:06:02.340 loud animated discussion about that, very loud animated discussion coming from within Pope
00:06:10.960 St. John the 23rd's apartments.
00:06:13.880 And after about 45 minutes, he said Cardinal Bea just came storming out of Fable Apartments
00:06:20.140 and without even looking at him, he said, let's go, in German, Malachi, kommen Sie.
00:06:27.460 And he said Cardinal Bea was very angry.
00:06:30.740 And they got down to his car, which was waiting downstairs.
00:06:35.740 They got in the car and Cardinal Bea didn't speak for a moment or two, but then said, I'm
00:06:43.260 going to show you something.
00:06:44.500 But first, you have to agree to read it under the conditions of the Pontifical Oath of Secrecy.
00:06:53.780 And you may not divulge the exact sentence of what I'm about to show you unless you are
00:07:00.960 released from that Pontifical Oath by the reigning pontiff himself.
00:07:06.600 Malachi said, I agree to the conditions.
00:07:10.980 He was handed a one-page German translation, third message of Fatima.
00:07:18.980 He read it and handed it back to Cardinal Bea.
00:07:23.800 He said, what is your interpretation of this?
00:07:28.640 And Cardinal Bea said, and this is a quote as well as I can remember from Malachi.
00:07:36.800 He said, Cardinal Bea said, and he was very angry.
00:07:40.820 He said, those fools have just condemned millions upon millions of people to death.
00:07:47.860 That was all that he said of that meeting with Cardinal Bea.
00:07:53.380 He said, Cardinal Bea, who was actually known as back then, we're now talking going on 60
00:08:01.060 years, as a liberal cardinal.
00:08:03.580 But liberal cardinal of 1959 was very different from a liberal cardinal of 2020.
00:08:10.200 But he said, he was very, very angry because the Pope had decided that this does not pertain
00:08:20.500 to our pontificate and decided that the message would not be released in 1960.
00:08:26.240 Yeah.
00:08:26.420 And that's stunning because everybody knew from Sister Lucia herself that it was supposed,
00:08:31.660 Our Lady said, it was to be released in 1960.
00:08:35.320 You're exactly right.
00:08:36.600 When they think of Our Lady, they think of the picture behind me.
00:08:39.440 And they think of Our Lady, and they say she wouldn't involve herself in concrete geopolitical
00:08:50.860 earthly matters.
00:08:53.180 Yet, she did tell the shepherd children at Fatima, if mankind and the Pope follow my requests,
00:09:04.020 Russia will be converted and a period of peace will be granted to the world.
00:09:09.440 If my directions are not fulfilled, then another war will break out, a worse war will break
00:09:20.180 out during the reign of Pope Pius XI.
00:09:26.300 And she made that prediction several months before the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia.
00:09:33.800 Father Martin made many references to the Third Secret.
00:09:37.820 He sort of hinted at things.
00:09:41.860 If you could give us some of those hints, to the best of your recollections, the ones that
00:09:46.560 you think were closest to the mark, to really let us know what it's all about.
00:09:52.320 One thing he told me was that immediately after 1960, when the Pope refused to release the secret,
00:09:59.420 began the alleged apparitions in Garabandal, Spain, and then 10 years after that, to Sister Agnes
00:10:09.400 Sasagawa in Akita, Japan.
00:10:12.760 And Maliki told me that the tenor of the messages of Fatima, Garabandal, and Akita are all almost
00:10:24.940 the same.
00:10:26.040 They all carry the same central message of prayer, repentance, reparation, communion.
00:10:34.300 Yeah, and it's from Akita that we get the cardinals against cardinals, bishops against bishops.
00:10:40.020 It's from Garabandal, we get the warning, the, you know, the three days of darkness comes
00:10:45.880 in there as well.
00:10:47.160 Yes, exactly.
00:10:48.260 And the three days darkness was not just spoken of at Garabandal, but mystics going back, and
00:10:55.040 saints going back as far as, I believe, Blessed Anna Maria Teiji in the early 19th century
00:11:01.900 spoke of it, as well as in the 19th century, a rather obscure saint named St. Gaspard de
00:11:10.120 Bofalo, hope I'm not mispronouncing his name, but they specifically spoke, yes, they specifically
00:11:16.980 spoke of three days of darkness, almost like it was one of the plagues that hit the pharaoh
00:11:24.580 in ancient Egypt when darkness covered the land.
00:11:27.500 But getting back to your question about the third secret of Fatima and the contents, there
00:11:34.260 are what he referred to as earthly chastisements and spiritual chastisements as well.
00:11:44.000 He told me several things, but he never told me granular detail because he could not break
00:11:50.820 the pontifical oath.
00:11:52.480 But one thing that I thought was very interesting, he said, if you want to get the closest that
00:11:59.000 a pontiff has ever come to actually talking about what is in the third secret, in 1980,
00:12:07.560 before the assassination attempt on his life, Pope St. John Paul II was visiting Fulda, Germany.
00:12:14.540 And I don't know if you're familiar with Fulda, Germany, but it used to, back in the bad
00:12:21.620 old days, sit on what they called the inner German border.
00:12:25.600 And if there was ever a war between the United States and the Warsaw Pact, one of the planes
00:12:31.580 of advance, one of the axes of advance of the Warsaw Pact tank armies would be through the
00:12:39.480 folded gap, the gap between the mountains, against the United States' Fifth Army Corps.
00:12:46.420 The Pope visited there deliberately because it was a flashpoint, and some of the pilgrims
00:12:54.720 passed him.
00:12:56.060 And this is verifiable, and you can have someone do the due diligence and look it up.
00:13:01.340 It was originally published in a magazine, German magazine, called Stimme des Blaubens.
00:13:06.420 I believe it means time of the believers.
00:13:09.000 Some of the people in the crowd asked Pope John Paul II, your holiness, why was not the
00:13:14.840 third message of Fatima fully divulged to the public, as requested by Our Lady in 1960?
00:13:23.760 And Pope John Paul II, he didn't skirt the issue, but he framed his answer very carefully.
00:13:29.180 He said, in order to prevent the worldwide power of communism from undertaking certain moves
00:13:37.220 against the West, my predecessors in the Sea of Peter have diplomatically referred to withhold
00:13:44.920 publication of the message.
00:13:46.520 which Malachy said the inference is, is that there is something mentioned in there that if
00:13:56.020 the Kremlin knew it, they would call up their armies and say, go now and take advantage of
00:14:05.420 because the West has no defense against us.
00:14:08.640 That's why the Pope said, to prevent the powers of communism from undertaking moves against the West,
00:14:16.520 it would have no power against.
00:14:19.160 The other thing that Pope John Paul II said was, and this actually makes a lot of sense.
00:14:26.140 He said, if one, and you have to listen to his wording, he said,
00:14:31.400 that if one is convinced that there exists such a message in which it is said that there will be
00:14:40.820 earthquakes, great earthquakes, that there will be great floods, that nations will disappear,
00:14:48.800 and millions of people will die from one moment to the next.
00:14:52.860 Then he said, if you are only concerned about hearing that message to satisfy curiosity,
00:15:02.280 then is there a point to actually publishing such a message?
00:15:07.340 And then he held up his rosary and he said, here is the remedy against that evil.
00:15:15.460 Pray and ask the mother of God for nothing else.
00:15:19.800 And then he went on to say, how often has the renewal of the church been affected by the persecution of blood?
00:15:31.840 And I'm paraphrasing, but that's very close to what he said.
00:15:36.780 And his holiness said that.
00:15:38.300 So he referenced, you know, earthquakes and floods, millions of people dying.
00:15:46.340 And he was actually quite right.
00:15:48.160 But if people are only convinced because they want to satisfy their craving for sensationalism,
00:15:55.500 you don't want to publish that message.
00:15:57.560 And it would be irresponsible to do so.
00:16:00.040 Although, I mean, it is interesting on behalf of Our Lady, she requested it to be done.
00:16:06.160 And I wouldn't second guess her geopolitical knowledge, even with the best advisors on earth,
00:16:11.900 probably could have released it.
00:16:13.260 But anyway, they chose not to.
00:16:16.820 They chose not to.
00:16:18.320 And the other reason why Maliki told me that they chose not to was John XXIII,
00:16:24.640 when he was convoking his council, was because it was the second Vatican ecumenical council.
00:16:31.240 He was very anxious to have observers from both the Greek Orthodox
00:16:35.200 and the Russian Orthodox Patriarchate of Moscow.
00:16:40.920 And I remember, it's almost a word-for-word quote, John.
00:16:46.200 Maliki told me, he said,
00:16:48.140 John XXIII directly defied the mother of God so that he could have two KGB agents in clerical robes
00:16:59.820 attend his praises.
00:17:01.560 Given what you know of my background, I can say he spoke that sentence with authority
00:17:06.740 because the two observers there were KGB officers.
00:17:10.320 They were also clerics, but they were KGB officers.
00:17:14.600 And they reported to a KGB general who was also a Russian Orthodox metropolitan archbishop.
00:17:23.820 Kind of like China today, which has these new bishops, all who have wife and children.
00:17:31.080 But they're the new bishops approved also by Rome.
00:17:34.240 Exactly.
00:17:34.900 Not that there's any scandal there.
00:17:36.800 No, none whatsoever.
00:17:37.860 I mean, the life of Maliki Martin, I guess for people who are not so familiar with him,
00:17:46.820 an exorcist, a just, why don't you give us a rundown of Maliki Martin,
00:17:54.000 who he is and what he really means to history, but also to yourself.
00:17:59.840 He was a combination spiritual director, surrogate grandfather, and best friend.
00:18:07.860 Rolled up into one.
00:18:09.740 For a period of almost 10 years, we saw each other once a week, usually what we call here
00:18:16.100 in the New York area at a greasy spoon diner over on Lexington for lunch.
00:18:21.480 He entered the Jesuits, I believe, as a teenager in the late 1930s.
00:18:26.460 As you know, Ireland was neutral during the Second World War.
00:18:31.200 He was formally ordained a Jesuit priest in 1954.
00:18:35.120 He trained at the Pontifical Biblical Institute, Louvain, the Hebrew University in Jerusalem.
00:18:44.080 Three doctorates.
00:18:46.280 He was a polyglot.
00:18:47.300 He spoke approximately 10 languages in addition to ecclesial Latin, ancient Greek,
00:18:54.600 Greek, and what they called Attic Greek.
00:18:59.420 I don't know the difference.
00:19:00.560 I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on that.
00:19:03.200 He was a polyglot.
00:19:04.700 He was one of the first researchers to examine and interpret the Dead Sea Scrolls.
00:19:12.700 And that was, I believe, the first book he ever published, which was entitled The Scribal Character,
00:19:21.660 The Dead Sea Scrolls, under the pseudonym Michael Seraf.
00:19:25.780 I believe he was able to do that through a Guggenheim fellow in New York.
00:19:30.300 He became an aide to Cardinal Bea.
00:19:31.660 And then during the course of the Second Vatican Council, there's a lot of malicious rumor about the people.
00:19:43.420 There are actually people still maintaining he was a Mossad agent, the Israelis.
00:19:48.940 So I view that as very jaundiced.
00:19:53.360 But he saw where the Jesuits were going theologically.
00:19:57.660 They were embracing social justice.
00:20:03.180 And if you remember from the time, the word liberation was very popular among communist movements around the world.
00:20:12.160 You just had to look at, you know, the official name of the Viet Cong, the liberation movement for Vietnam.
00:20:21.920 It's the National Movement for the Liberation of Angola, which was the communist MPLA.
00:20:28.980 There were various national liberation movements everywhere.
00:20:33.060 And it was actually, this is somewhat controversial, but it was certainly Eastern Bloc Intelligence,
00:20:43.000 which came up with the name liberation theology, because they thought it would resonate with the people in South and Central America,
00:20:55.460 who at the time tended to be dominated by very autocratic, right-wing-leaning governments.
00:21:02.100 And there were Jesuits who found themselves out of a misguided sense of service to the poor,
00:21:13.880 the infamous preferential option for the poor, that actually joined these movements.
00:21:21.060 Some of them were infamous for actually taking up arms in defiance of the Vatican.
00:21:26.740 Some were killed, and Malachi just became very disillusioned because he saw that they were sliding leftward ever more progressive
00:21:41.940 until he went to His Holiness Pope, Pope Paul VI, and he said, after trying to resolve it internally,
00:21:51.180 he just said, I cannot be any longer part of this religious order, which is supposed to be the elite vanguard in defense of your holiness.
00:22:03.920 And instead, they're going in completely the opposite direction, heresy and promulgating defiance to the holies.
00:22:12.120 And he was released from his vows as a Jesuit church in 1964-1965.
00:22:20.860 He was only released from his vows of obedience, so he could leave the order,
00:22:26.560 his vow of poverty, so that he could make his way and earn a living in the West.
00:22:33.420 He was not released from, and he maintained his vow of chastity until he died.
00:22:42.620 He first moved to, I believe, Ireland, where he had family still living.
00:22:49.100 Several of his brothers became very, were famous priests in their own right,
00:22:53.620 such as Father F.X. Martin, Francis, his sister, Netta.
00:22:59.020 They're all passed away since then.
00:23:01.540 Then he came to the United States, and I believe he was told by Cardinal Spellman or Cardinal Cushing
00:23:09.120 that he was recommended that he find a family to move in with,
00:23:17.000 because a priest living on his own back then in the early 1960s would have been a source of scandal.
00:23:23.820 And he ended up with a wealthy Greek Orthodox family, the Lovanos family.
00:23:31.000 And I had been up to the Lovanos family many times.
00:23:35.180 He basically didn't live in the apartment at large so much as there was a tiny room
00:23:41.760 within the apartment complex that probably altogether measured maybe 14 feet by 14 feet square.
00:23:50.400 And that's where he had a bed, a tiny library, and his desk, and a telephone.
00:23:59.860 And inside his closet, when you opened up the little doors to the closet,
00:24:07.000 they swung their bifold doors that opened.
00:24:09.540 There was the tiniest little altar I've ever seen, and that's where he set his daily notes.
00:24:14.920 And it was always the Roman notes.
00:24:16.260 So one of the criticisms, perhaps lighter criticisms, but that caused people to wonder
00:24:21.160 about Father Malachi Martin, was that he always appeared in civvies.
00:24:25.680 He didn't wear a collar very often.
00:24:28.480 Was there a reason for that?
00:24:30.240 Yes, there was, because he was primarily known as a writer and an author.
00:24:36.540 And he did not appear in clerical clothing, because he was not officially a priest of the Archdiocese of New York,
00:24:48.200 responsible to the Cardinal Archers.
00:24:51.840 That's why he always appeared, usually in a turtleneck sweater, a blazer, and slacks.
00:24:57.620 When the situation called for it, there were times when he did appear in his clericals.
00:25:02.920 I would take a photo of him approximately once every 18 months in his clericals,
00:25:09.100 that he would then ask me for the film, and I said, where is this going?
00:25:13.720 He says, I have to send it back to the matto.
00:25:16.000 So it was almost like an identity photo.
00:25:21.020 And the only other time I saw him in clericals was at an ordination and at his funeral.
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00:25:54.160 And now, back to the video.
00:25:55.600 You mentioned some controversies around Fr. Martin.
00:26:02.820 What were those?
00:26:04.780 And, you know, where is this stemming from?
00:26:07.840 Well, one of the controversies was he was laicized and no longer a priest at all.
00:26:16.600 And documentation came out from the North American province, the Jesuits, from their director of communication in the early 2000s, which refutes that and states, for the record,
00:26:34.160 Malachy Martin remained a Roman Catholic priest in good standing until his death in 1999.
00:26:41.780 They went after him viciously after the publication of his 1976 bestseller of the Jesuits.
00:26:49.980 And I believe that was an act of revenge.
00:26:53.060 But five years, posthumous, they released this letter in response to many inquiries saying that, yes, in fact, he did remain a priest.
00:27:05.640 He was no longer a Jesuit.
00:27:07.160 They were very clear on that.
00:27:08.920 But he was a priest in good standing until he passed.
00:27:12.500 Now, it's very interesting because his book, The Jesuits, it was notable because it actually named names.
00:27:18.900 It does what nobody ever does.
00:27:22.200 It not only calls out what's going on, but it names names.
00:27:27.500 Tell us a little bit about that.
00:27:28.540 I believe the phrase these days is, he said the quiet part out loud.
00:27:33.900 He loved the Jesuits.
00:27:35.440 He loved being a Jesuit.
00:27:37.120 But he was an old school Jesuit.
00:27:40.160 He was not the modern social justice, you know, alphabet soup embracing Jesuits of today.
00:27:49.920 He was an old school Jesuit who would lay down his life for the Holy Father if called to.
00:27:55.740 And he saw what the Jesuits were becoming.
00:28:00.860 And it'll be in the book that I'm writing because I have correspondence between him and his sister.
00:28:08.480 And she was saying her nickname for him was Bobby.
00:28:12.020 And she said, Bobby, this book you're writing, especially the fact that you're calling out people by name.
00:28:19.460 She said, don't you think in a time of turbulence in the church that this is going to hurt the church?
00:28:26.680 And for someone communicating back to his sister, he was rather sharp.
00:28:32.660 He said, I'm naming names because when I appear before the judgment seat of the Lord Jesus, he's going to ask me, Malachi, you had the opportunity to concretely do something.
00:28:48.580 And he said, you didn't.
00:28:52.020 Tell me, Malachi, do you deserve to come home now?
00:28:56.880 And Malachi was quite adamant about it.
00:28:59.000 He said, and that's why I named names.
00:29:01.600 Yeah, he had what all of the holy prelates I've ever known in my life have.
00:29:07.720 First and foremost, they know that their ultimate judge is our Lord and they will have to stand before him.
00:29:13.920 And that is sort of ever present to these folks.
00:29:18.760 I think of Bishop Schneider.
00:29:20.320 I think of, you know, some of the cardinals who I've been blessed to know, Cardinal Burke, for instance.
00:29:26.640 They do.
00:29:27.400 They live their lives knowing, almost seeing the judgment seat.
00:29:34.080 And that's how they live.
00:29:35.180 And it's a beautiful way to live because it gives you everything you need.
00:29:38.520 Exactly.
00:29:38.780 It's the ultimate perspective.
00:29:40.420 So one of the things that's come up more recently is talk about, you know, Malachi Martin's remarks about the future, you know, a future pope in the church.
00:29:53.940 What is that and what's it about?
00:29:55.960 He said that within the context of the Third Secret.
00:29:59.100 Once again, this was over one of our infamous diner lunches.
00:30:02.380 But he said that there was something in the Third Secret that pertained to a future pontiff who would wreak great evil on the church prompted by Satan.
00:30:18.680 And when I said, did you tell me any more about that, he would always clam up.
00:30:26.260 He started out being a great fan of John Paul II.
00:30:30.060 But after Assisi, not so much.
00:30:34.160 Just so that everybody knows, Assisi is the gathering where Pope John Paul II got together with religious leaders from every different religion, pagan and everything else included.
00:30:47.040 And it was done in Assisi, in the cathedral there, which my dad always used to say when the earthquake came, hit Assisi and the cupola fell and crushed the altar.
00:30:57.520 That was a sign from God of what he thought of that.
00:30:59.600 But anyway, please continue.
00:31:00.540 And then when I asked him, because, you know, everyone used to joke about the late Benedict XVI when he was Cardinal Ratzinger and prefect of the CDF, that he was God's rottweiler.
00:31:14.660 That sobriquet came about because he disciplined a few of the more extreme examples of heterodoxy within the church.
00:31:23.800 But Malachy said that did not make him a Pius V style traditionist.
00:31:31.640 So when I said to him, this will be controversial, but I'm going to say it anyway.
00:31:37.980 I said, what do you think of the current crop of cardinals, if he is Papabulae, what do you think of him?
00:31:46.680 He says, well, if you go by his writings from the Second Vatican Council and the books he published, he's the best of a bad book, which I believe they call damning with faint praise.
00:31:57.300 But he predeceited Cardinal Ratzinger by six years.
00:32:02.880 And Ratzinger's absolutely not shocked.
00:32:06.080 He would be greatly saddened by the whole Pachamama episode because of what he knew occurred in the Pauline Chapel just prior to the elevation of Paul VI, the alleged enthronement of Lucifer by Satanists within the Vatican.
00:32:26.840 Let's go into that a little bit more.
00:32:28.560 If you can explain, what is that?
00:32:30.860 When did he say that happened?
00:32:32.660 There's various competing dates.
00:32:35.600 Some people say it happened in 1959.
00:32:38.320 Other people say that it happened in 1963.
00:32:42.660 There's a father, Brian Harrison, who was written publicly to, I believe, the wonder of the remnant in which he became quite good acquaintances with Malachy.
00:32:55.180 And I believe the feast of Saints Peter and Paul is July 30th.
00:33:01.000 And on the 30-year anniversary of that alleged enthronement of Lucifer, they called it the enthronement of the prince within the citadel of the nameless weakling.
00:33:17.420 They will never say the name of our life.
00:33:20.000 That because there were two places involved, chapel in South Carolina and ceremony in the Vatican that were linked by telephone, he and Father Harrison performed masses of reparation.
00:33:37.420 Father Harrison was in Rome, Malachy was in his apartment in New York, and on the 30-year anniversary of that day, performed masses of reparation for the act of Saints within the Vatican.
00:33:49.860 Do we have an accounting of what happened there in the Vatican?
00:33:53.000 Yes, that's in the book, Winswept House.
00:33:56.640 And Malachy always told me that it was fairly accurate that Winswept House was approximately 90% to 95% fact with 5% fiction thrown in.
00:34:12.300 And I said, why not just make it 100% fact?
00:34:15.840 And he would always smile and say, because I want to keep my kneecaps.
00:34:19.260 And what I tell people, if they read Winswept House in isolation, it may tend to give you a skewed perspective.
00:34:32.240 Are you aware of his book that came out immediately before it by several years called The Keys of This Blood?
00:34:39.220 Heard of it.
00:34:39.780 Haven't read it.
00:34:41.380 Okay.
00:34:41.680 It's basically a college-level text about the competition between the globalist West, the formerly Marxist East, including Russia and China, and the Roman Catholic Church for world domination in the 21st century.
00:35:00.880 And it's a college-level text in which he talks about how the church was being influenced, slowly but surely, by the writings of the Italian communist Antonio Gramsci.
00:35:16.560 Are you aware of him?
00:35:18.020 Yes.
00:35:18.260 In which Jesus was not the divine son of God, but the ultimate revolutionary.
00:35:27.900 And it was to Catholicize revolutionary, you know, salvation meant the establishment of a society based on equity of social justice in Marxism.
00:35:42.460 And he saw that the Jesuits had fallen for that bookline sinker.
00:35:47.880 We have this great figure in the church whom you were privileged to know, but his reputation is being besmirched today.
00:35:58.320 What's the source?
00:35:59.680 Why are people concerned about, you know, Malika Martin and speaking ill of him now?
00:36:07.360 I mean, it seems, you know, what's the source of that?
00:36:11.780 One of the people who started the ball rolling was about four or five years after Maliki passed away was the late Robert Blair Kaiser, who was, I believe, ultimately a reporter for the National Catholic Reporter, the Heterodox Catholic Journal.
00:36:31.280 Well, for that, he was in Rome as a correspondent for Time Magazine, and he wrote a book entitled Clerical Error, in which he very adamantly claimed that Maliki Martin had an affair with his wife while he was in Rome during the Second Vatican Council.
00:36:53.100 But what he doesn't come out and said, he, by the way, he's interviewed in our movie, because in the motion picture, Hostage to the Devil, we wanted to give equal time to both sides.
00:37:02.820 So, he passed away, he passed away, he passed away, he passed away a couple of months after he was filmed.
00:37:14.420 But, you know, he said Maliki was a liar, a cheat, a scoundrel.
00:37:19.000 But what he doesn't say, and this is verifiable, that he was professionally diagnosed by competent medical authorities as a paranoid schizophrenic.
00:37:29.900 Robert Blair Kaiser was?
00:37:31.680 Yes.
00:37:32.600 Okay.
00:37:33.260 If you're a paranoid schizophrenic, then, of course, you're going to think everyone around you is conspiring and out to get you, right?
00:37:40.020 And that kind of started the ball rolling.
00:37:43.200 And then there was some confusion, like, for example, over the title of one of Maliki's early works.
00:37:51.100 I believe it was entitled Jesus Now, in which he, not he, but his publisher said, why Jesus will not come again.
00:38:03.060 And people latched onto that with a pit bull.
00:38:07.640 And Maliki said they're misinterpreting the title.
00:38:10.720 But if you walk into any church where there's a sanctuary lamp lit, our Lord's body, blood, soul, and divinity, exactly the same Jesus of Nazareth who walked the shores of the Sea of Galilee,
00:38:37.420 is present now among us, and we just don't reckon.
00:38:42.160 I mean, it was very common.
00:38:43.560 You know this better than I probably.
00:38:45.560 It was very common years ago for people to visit Jesus in church.
00:38:52.300 Yeah.
00:38:52.580 They were consoling and keeping company with our Lord.
00:38:56.580 Yeah.
00:38:57.200 That's what he meant.
00:38:58.240 And then another fact of controversy is that he is buried up in New York, and Mrs. Lavanos is a housekeeper and landlady, is buried in an adjacent place.
00:39:14.280 And her name is inscribed there.
00:39:16.640 And people say, ah, there it is.
00:39:20.080 That's proof that there was a relationship.
00:39:22.080 No, it's proof that six years after Maliki passed away, this lady chose to be buried next to him.
00:39:29.460 And it's not like he had any say in that.
00:39:32.480 And that's all that was.
00:39:33.700 Because I knew Kakia Lavanos very well.
00:39:37.800 She was a Greek woman in her 70s.
00:39:41.200 A lovely woman when you got to know her.
00:39:44.340 But she was very strict.
00:39:46.660 Mrs. Lavanos was a Brooks, no-nonsense landlady.
00:39:50.860 In fact, for the first year that I knew Maliki, she was always suspicious of me as well.
00:39:59.060 She was his gatekeeper.
00:40:00.960 She was the one responsible for making sure that the publicity seekers, those who were in real spiritual difficulty, and to call a spade a spade, the wingnuts, didn't pester Maliki.
00:40:18.200 And in that respect, she was his call screener.
00:40:23.160 It was only after about a year that she came to trust me.
00:40:27.700 And I would come up to the apartment for lunch with him when the weather was bad and she didn't want him going.
00:40:36.540 She was very protective of him.
00:40:38.620 But there was never anything romantic between them.
00:40:43.400 Never.
00:40:44.140 People see the gravestone.
00:40:45.460 They draw their own erroneous conclusions.
00:40:47.500 And then they just let it perpetuate.
00:40:50.220 One of the things I think people had a hard time swallowing is that, I mean, I know our Lord gives gifts to people.
00:40:56.840 But Maliki Martin wrote about and talked about being able to see demons.
00:41:03.620 Can you explain that for us?
00:41:04.920 Yes, he was an exorcist.
00:41:06.200 He was also a very great devotee of St. Michael the Archangel, in addition to Our Lady.
00:41:14.360 Because of that, he said every day, the chaplet of St. Michael.
00:41:19.400 He said because he did that to cultivate a relationship with his guardian angel.
00:41:25.040 And he said he had been doing that for decades.
00:41:29.020 And one of the graces he was granted, which, quote, the old TV series, Monk, It's a Blessing and a Curse, was that he was, from time to time, given the ability to see malevolent spirits.
00:41:44.820 And, but he just took it, not as a, look what I can do, sort of parlor trick, but as an unfortunately necessary grace to carry out his mission as an exorcist and a Catholicist.
00:42:03.160 Describe some of that, his descriptions of seeing demons.
00:42:06.160 What would he see?
00:42:07.160 He said that they were physically hideous beyond belief, that they were always taunting him about prior exorcisms in which he had successfully driven them out of an unfortunate soul.
00:42:24.920 And that during exorcisms, they would mock him, saying, you know, and they would use very coarse and profane language.
00:42:33.160 They refer to our Lord always as the nameless weakling.
00:42:39.320 They refer to our lady as that woman.
00:42:45.740 That woman is now here among us.
00:42:49.180 Make her go away.
00:42:51.160 And of course, they didn't.
00:42:53.020 And Malachi wanted her there.
00:42:54.900 But he said they were hideous, grotesque, beyond belief, quasi-humanoid looking creatures.
00:43:04.040 He said, because they are, and this is important, he told me, they're not supernatural.
00:43:09.680 I didn't know that.
00:43:10.980 They're not supernatural.
00:43:12.160 They are preternatural.
00:43:14.700 Because there is the natural state that you and I find, the geophysical world we see around us.
00:43:21.200 There is the preternatural, which is the realm of the angelic.
00:43:26.720 And he says, then there is the supernatural realm, which is only possessed by four personages.
00:43:36.480 God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Ghost, and Our Lady by virtue of a special grace from the aforementioned, the Trinity.
00:43:48.040 That's the realm of the supernatural.
00:43:50.960 And that's where you've heard of people refer to Our Lady as the mediatrics of all races.
00:43:56.220 And that's where it comes from.
00:43:59.060 Her dispenser as supernatural, of supernaturalness.
00:44:02.140 What happened with Father Malachi Martin?
00:44:05.340 How did he die?
00:44:07.040 What came of him at the end of his life?
00:44:08.860 He was asked to consult on an exorcism up in Connecticut at the home of the psychiatrist, Dr. Ramakumarswamy.
00:44:18.220 And there was a young child, four or five years old, whose family had driven from Detroit.
00:44:26.880 He was asked to consult on the case from a purely spiritual perspective.
00:44:32.340 I went up there.
00:44:33.580 I dropped him off.
00:44:34.940 Came back several hours later.
00:44:36.640 I picked him up.
00:44:38.260 Unfortunately, due to a miscommunication and timing, I actually got to meet this child.
00:44:42.700 And the wits stared out of me.
00:44:44.920 He heard my confession on the way up.
00:44:46.540 It was a general confession taking quite a while.
00:44:49.240 I just wanted to be in the state of sanctifying grace as much as possible.
00:44:54.480 I was very nervous.
00:44:56.980 Then it was several weeks later.
00:44:59.360 Our birthdays were only a few days apart.
00:45:01.440 We had reached a point in our friendship where we didn't exchange gifts anymore.
00:45:05.660 We would just go out and share a nice meal and just toast each other happy birthday.
00:45:11.320 I received a call from him the day before we were supposed to go out to dinner.
00:45:16.540 He sounded very weak.
00:45:18.960 And he just said, Rob, I've had a bit of a tumble.
00:45:23.080 Old scratch.
00:45:25.040 Wanted to get back in for Connecticut.
00:45:27.520 And he said, and I'm sorry, I won't be able to make dinner.
00:45:31.940 I've got to get off the phone now because there are people here to treat me, which were paramedics.
00:45:38.020 He didn't say paramedics, but they were paramedics.
00:45:40.520 And those were the last words I ever heard.
00:45:44.980 And he was calling me.
00:45:46.780 He had just suffered a fall.
00:45:49.260 Having his, one of his legs, as he described, yanked out from underneath him.
00:45:54.380 In the apartment, in his little office, yanked out from underneath him.
00:45:59.460 He struck his head.
00:46:01.740 Suffered a coronary embolism, I believe, as a result of that, a brain bleed.
00:46:06.380 And the last time I saw him was in a private room in Lenox Hill Hospital, where I managed to convince a nurse that I was family.
00:46:14.380 It was early on a Sunday morning before, the day before he passed.
00:46:19.380 And I said the Holy Rosary.
00:46:23.020 And I just got very emotional.
00:46:25.780 And that's how, that's the story.
00:46:28.240 There's all kinds of nonsense out there how he was pushed down a flight of stairs, or he was murdered.
00:46:34.680 He was assassinated.
00:46:36.020 No.
00:46:37.100 He fell in his apartment due to demonic event, he was convinced.
00:46:42.360 But he fell in his apartment, struck his head.
00:46:46.640 And he never, you know, after he called me and was taken to the hospital, he never regained consciousness.
00:46:52.340 Life of a, you know, really seemingly very holy man.
00:46:56.960 Why the, you know, animosity to him?
00:47:01.640 Well, maybe it's evident because, you know, he was so forthright.
00:47:05.080 But the lot of those very courageous prelates who dare to name names and call things out for what they are is not friendly in this world.
00:47:17.180 But I'm sure it is in the next.
00:47:19.140 Exactly.
00:47:19.660 I mean, just, we'll just look at what they did to Cardinal Pell.
00:47:22.200 Well, what they say about Cardinal Burke, His Excellency Bishop Schneider.
00:47:29.880 You know, I realize we're probably coming up, we're going to be bumping up against time limits shortly.
00:47:34.480 But one thing I would stress is that people should not take the Art Bell interviews as the authoritative interviews.
00:47:46.480 They should look up Priamf Communications, Bernard Jansen in Canada, because he was Malachi's authorized interviewer in which they discussed a plethora of subjects that I'm sure you'd find of great interest, but that time precludes from discussing.
00:48:04.900 Also, the film that you were involved with in, and your new book coming out, if you can tell us about those.
00:48:10.460 The film, Costage the Devil, just relates his time as an exorcist.
00:48:16.320 There's nothing lurid or sensational about it.
00:48:18.740 People hear the title and they think it's a horror movie, and it's actually a biographic documentary.
00:48:25.600 And it's a very interesting hour and 40 minutes.
00:48:29.820 I was intimately involved with it.
00:48:32.000 They're all very good people, very professional people.
00:48:35.600 There's one instance where it's kind of funny.
00:48:38.800 They came to New York and they bought an expensive piece of equipment at B&H Photo in New York City.
00:48:45.000 You go to B&H.
00:48:46.000 And every time they took it back to B&H because it kept malfunctioning, but when they got it back to B&H, it functioned perfectly.
00:48:53.980 Finally, finally, they just said, you know, they're Irishmen.
00:48:59.080 Robert, give us those rosaries.
00:49:00.860 And they would just drape the rosary over the camera and it would start functioning.
00:49:04.780 The book that I'm writing, the working title, is Maliki Martin, Setting the Record Straight.
00:49:13.180 Because there's a great deal about his career that is the subject of rumor transitioning into legend.
00:49:25.180 And his contemporaries, they've all passed away.
00:49:29.880 But I knew him for almost a full decade on a weekly basis.
00:49:35.540 I'm literally one of the last men standing.
00:49:38.700 And what I know of him, the photographs, the information, and the inquiries that I've gotten through YouTube comments, literally, from hundreds of people around the world, you know, in speaking with our mutual friend, Liz, she's adamant.
00:49:56.780 And I agree with her.
00:49:58.080 You know, history demands the testimony.
00:50:00.140 And that's why the book will come out later this year.
00:50:02.380 Rob, any final thoughts?
00:50:03.620 At his core, he was our lady's priest.
00:50:06.080 He was totally dedicated to our Lord through his mother, especially the title, Our Lady of Fashion.
00:50:15.540 He loved her almost as much as he loved her son.
00:50:23.380 And that formed the core of and the actions of everything he did.
00:50:29.320 And that's the best way I can sum up his personality.
00:50:34.020 Rob, thank you so much for being with us.
00:50:35.820 And telling us all about your friend, my great hero, and someone that I think most of us need to learn more about, Father Malik and Martin.
00:50:46.740 I would agree.
00:50:47.520 Thank you, John Henry.
00:50:48.940 God bless you.
00:50:49.960 And God bless all of you.
00:50:52.040 And we'll see you next time.
00:50:53.160 Hi, everyone.
00:51:01.940 This is John Henry Weston.
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