The John-Henry Westen Show - December 20, 2023


Resisting communism, freemasonry, and globalist disorientation


Episode Stats

Length

23 minutes

Words per Minute

163.00887

Word Count

3,788

Sentence Count

176

Misogynist Sentences

1

Hate Speech Sentences

9


Summary

In this episode, I discuss the dangers of the technocratic managerialist vision of the future, and how technology is eroding our ability to connect to the past, and the role of intellectuals in this process. I also talk about the growing opposition to the World Economic Forum, and its impact on public opinion.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Cancel culture aims to cancel all of culture, not just some of it.
00:00:03.880 That's its aim.
00:00:06.400 You can see that the real project isn't just the removal of a statue
00:00:10.020 or the baudelarising of a book
00:00:11.840 or the destruction of anything that connects people to a history
00:00:15.420 beyond the last TikTok video they saw.
00:00:17.720 Cancel culture aims to cancel all of culture, not just some of it.
00:00:21.520 That's its aim.
00:00:22.640 That's not an accident.
00:00:23.880 It's not a side effect.
00:00:25.780 Everything that's meaningful about the human condition.
00:00:28.400 Not just what's contained in culture, but in human-scale relations
00:00:32.920 is inimical to the technocratic model of an efficient managerial society
00:00:38.820 informed by advancement in machinery and in computing.
00:00:42.960 That's what technocratic managerialism is.
00:00:45.800 It's simply the dreams of managers,
00:00:47.780 as laid out in Joseph Burnham's 1941 book, The Managerial Revolution,
00:00:52.420 altered by rapid advances in computing power.
00:00:55.780 There was a French thinker, forgive me for mentioning this,
00:01:00.320 because it's always problematic to talk about intellectuals,
00:01:04.140 but Jacques Ellot deserves a mention
00:01:05.800 because he wrote a book called La Technique,
00:01:08.160 or The Technological Society,
00:01:10.360 in which he mentions some of the dangers
00:01:12.200 of our increasing reliance upon this.
00:01:14.380 Now, again, you know, to speak of another Frenchman,
00:01:17.640 Jean-Paul Sartre once remarked in one of his books
00:01:20.480 that the result of the working class being exposed
00:01:24.980 to increasing levels of intrusive technology
00:01:28.140 was that their very dreams would be dominated by machines.
00:01:32.100 In fact, he wrote a passage in which he spoke about a housemaid,
00:01:35.440 and he said, even when she dreamed, she dreamed of the machine.
00:01:39.000 The point is, is that the accelerating integration
00:01:43.840 of human identity with technology
00:01:46.060 is not augmenting our human experience.
00:01:49.440 It is altering it.
00:01:50.620 In fact, it's dissolving it into pixels, if you like.
00:01:53.640 People are becoming a function of the technology they use,
00:01:56.920 rather than having it serve their own needs.
00:01:59.600 This mirrors exactly what's happened with managerialism,
00:02:02.860 which was invented initially as an instrument of mankind,
00:02:06.020 but which has made mankind its own tool.
00:02:09.300 The technology that informs managerialism
00:02:11.640 is a technology that is altering the human dimension
00:02:14.400 and collapsing it into one dimension from many.
00:02:18.280 This is the nightmare vision of the technocratic future,
00:02:21.760 and it's one that's represented not just by large-scale bureaucracies
00:02:25.480 such as the failing and happily failing World Economic Forum,
00:02:29.500 but by the people who genuinely do run the world,
00:02:32.620 people who have preferred to remain in the shadows until now,
00:02:35.400 people like BlackRock and people like Vanguard.
00:02:39.140 Now, hopefully, having moved into the light,
00:02:43.320 it is very unlikely, in my view,
00:02:45.400 that they will be able to survive this exposure
00:02:47.220 because they have, like the neoconservatives,
00:02:50.480 like many of the technocrats that rule us,
00:02:53.220 they have rather haughtily dismissed
00:02:55.220 the matter of public opinion as an irrelevance.
00:02:59.340 I don't think it will remain irrelevant for long.
00:03:01.940 People are beginning to understand
00:03:03.180 what these ideas mean when they come together,
00:03:05.000 which shows the enormously hearty example of the Dutch farmers.
00:03:10.280 Last year, they didn't exist as a political force,
00:03:13.620 but as a result of the World Economic Forum-inspired measure
00:03:16.740 to close down thousands of their farms,
00:03:19.540 destroying the world's second greatest exporter of food,
00:03:24.180 and therefore destabilising the world food market,
00:03:26.540 as well as removing the livelihoods and land by force
00:03:30.320 of much of the Dutch farming sector.
00:03:32.600 Because these people had human-scale relationships that still existed,
00:03:37.500 because they had strong communities that exist outside the digital world,
00:03:41.700 they managed to build very quickly a formidable political
00:03:45.660 and demonstration-fuelled opposition movement,
00:03:50.600 which has moved into second or even first place in Dutch politics.
00:03:54.280 In several months' time, there will be an election in Holland,
00:03:57.660 which they're expected to win.
00:03:59.160 They're at least expected to win in the sense that they'll have
00:04:02.340 a controlling interest in the new government.
00:04:04.500 They may even come first.
00:04:06.500 So there is hope for us all.
00:04:08.320 These projects that these people have for us are not unstoppable,
00:04:11.420 and the fact that they do produce instability does not work in their favour.
00:04:17.320 The policies of the World Economic Forum's chief stakeholders
00:04:20.360 probably explain their absence from the World Economic Forum's meeting,
00:04:25.020 because it would be profoundly embarrassing for them to turn up
00:04:28.120 in a meeting that is ostensibly devoted to naming
00:04:31.320 and shaping the future masters of the world.
00:04:34.500 These so-called masters have made a terrible mess of the contemporary world,
00:04:38.460 and it is perhaps for this reason that they're absent from their showcase,
00:04:42.700 because what they have to sell at isn't particularly appealing anymore.
00:04:46.900 To be honest, the message of reality is breaking through the propaganda machine.
00:04:51.640 It is an unwelcome message, but it is one whose unwelcome nature
00:04:55.540 is necessary to the degree in which it's true,
00:04:58.540 in order to awaken people to the reality of this crisis,
00:05:01.740 as against the unreality of every other one,
00:05:03.980 which has been used as an instrument to mould you to the will
00:05:07.060 of your would-be masters.
00:05:08.980 It certainly seems like the agenda is to de-industrialise,
00:05:13.140 to basically, it's a false plan.
00:05:17.400 There will be no service economy
00:05:20.200 when you have no funds to keep it going.
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00:08:03.260 It's meant to work on the very same thing that caused our parents to fall,
00:08:08.980 our first parents, pride.
00:08:10.240 An active alliance between human beings and the demonic.
00:08:14.380 That's what they're all about.
00:08:18.200 The ultimate promised land is heaven,
00:08:20.520 but to bridge that gap between the infinite creator and the finite creature,
00:08:25.480 you need grace.
00:08:26.280 Your soul needs to become a temple.
00:08:28.240 And so the Christian mysteries end up supplanting and destroying, really,
00:08:32.500 defeating the pagan mysteries.
00:08:35.480 Well, Freemasonry sees itself as a restoration of these pagan mysteries.
00:08:40.260 That's what many of them say.
00:08:41.660 Now, another point that Leo XIII and Monsignor Dillon make frequently
00:08:45.560 is that not every person who's a Freemason, especially the lower levels,
00:08:49.340 it's not like they know about all this.
00:08:51.220 And many of them have been suckered, frankly.
00:08:53.840 That's essentially what they say.
00:08:55.120 And so the reason why they want to restore these pagan mysteries
00:08:59.140 is because it's the pre-Christian system in which man was finding salvation
00:09:03.980 in some faux attempt to be like God,
00:09:07.240 which is what Satan had tempted us into in the first place.
00:09:11.000 That we do see.
00:09:12.060 I mean, that is rife today with different indigenous movements
00:09:16.680 and back to the earth and the mother God that we hear about
00:09:20.500 from a lot of our own spiritual leaders.
00:09:23.760 Unbelievable.
00:09:24.520 The whole Pachamama scandal and all these things.
00:09:27.900 But they are very much going back to a pagan worship.
00:09:31.260 I remember I was here in Canada when Pope Francis came to Canada
00:09:34.980 and they had the witch doctor, shaman guy,
00:09:38.500 you know, blowing a bone whistle to four directions
00:09:41.740 while, you know, the Catholic clergy there
00:09:45.120 had their hands on their chest, eyes closed.
00:09:46.740 But literally saying, you know, I want to ask the grandmother of the West
00:09:52.500 or something like that, the Western direction,
00:09:53.920 to open the circle of spirits to come and join us here.
00:09:56.380 That sounds to me exactly like what you're talking about.
00:09:59.820 Like a kind of pagan former thing that existed before,
00:10:04.160 but it's trying to be brought back in,
00:10:05.680 not only to secular culture where it's coming on strong there too,
00:10:10.560 but also even into the church.
00:10:12.620 I'm not going to cite the sources I've read.
00:10:15.120 You know, my spiritual director always knows about it.
00:10:17.260 And there have definitely been some sources where we're like,
00:10:19.160 nah, let's not go there.
00:10:20.840 These things, we need to be very careful about these things.
00:10:23.000 But I essentially became convinced through my study of this topic,
00:10:28.060 Masonic sources themselves,
00:10:30.080 that the essence of what they were doing was,
00:10:33.580 like I said before, a reestablishing, I guess you could say,
00:10:36.740 of an active alliance between human beings and the demonic.
00:10:41.100 That's what they're all about.
00:10:42.200 Another way I phrase it in the book is, you know,
00:10:46.180 the difference between the Catholic faith and occultism is we believe our souls
00:10:49.860 need to become a temple for the divine,
00:10:51.960 and we can expel the divine if we purposely choose to sin.
00:10:55.240 They believe the divine is already within us.
00:10:57.440 Another way that I think is helpful to think about it is we believe
00:11:00.400 we can only be saved by being incorporated into the second atom.
00:11:04.620 They believe you can be saved by remaining in the first atom,
00:11:08.300 nature bereft of grace.
00:11:09.600 And so that's why there is a sort of magical approach to nature among all these movements,
00:11:16.440 because they really do believe the divinity is already latent within nature.
00:11:21.280 They don't believe that that infinite gap requires grace to be bridged.
00:11:26.080 And so that's what all this supposedly secret knowledge is about.
00:11:29.600 And that's frankly, you know, I actually in law school,
00:11:32.720 somebody tried to recruit me to the Masons,
00:11:35.320 and I was very tempted.
00:11:36.220 I was a Protestant at the time.
00:11:37.920 Now, Masons never say, will you join up?
00:11:40.680 They don't do that.
00:11:41.460 Their policy is they will wait for you to ask,
00:11:44.720 because when you ask, there's already enough curiosity
00:11:48.280 and probably vanity and pride that's been stirred up
00:11:50.840 to get you to ask in the first place.
00:11:52.680 I mean, my goodness, I grew up watching National Treasure,
00:11:55.520 like this idea of being part of the secret fraternity that exercises,
00:11:59.180 you know, control, punching way above its weight,
00:12:01.080 whatever, that appeals to all sorts of vanity and pride and whatnot.
00:12:04.160 So fortunately, I didn't do it.
00:12:06.060 Something was holding me back.
00:12:07.660 And the guy who was asking me seemed like a decent guy in many ways.
00:12:10.780 But then I got back home to California after law school
00:12:13.540 and the People's Republic of California, as we call it.
00:12:17.320 And then another man who I met who was a very senior leader in Freemasonry,
00:12:21.680 he also started to meet with me.
00:12:23.640 And I hadn't quite become Catholic yet, but I was beginning,
00:12:26.440 I hadn't read Monsignor Dillon,
00:12:27.780 but I was beginning to read all sorts of stuff.
00:12:29.620 So I think this whole idea that if you have this certain gnosis,
00:12:33.620 that you kind of access this mystical knowledge of nature at the higher levels,
00:12:38.740 I think it's meant to work on the very same thing that caused our parents to fall,
00:12:43.280 our first parents, pride.
00:12:44.980 You shall be as gods.
00:12:48.220 Stalin famously said that he was the engineer of souls
00:12:51.700 and they were trying to form the new Soviet man.
00:12:54.120 And they're forming man in the image of a fallen world, essentially.
00:12:59.380 Communism always claims to be an almost salvific ideology.
00:13:04.820 It forwards a worldly utopia,
00:13:07.140 which of course, as Catholics, we know is impossible.
00:13:09.940 And that is really where the crux of its main error lies
00:13:12.640 in that we are in a fallen world.
00:13:14.960 Of course, we have been redeemed through Christ's blood,
00:13:17.400 but we will never achieve perfection here on this earth.
00:13:20.580 We store up our treasure in heaven for the next life.
00:13:23.040 Communism inverts that entire cosmology.
00:13:26.160 It denies the existence of God and says,
00:13:28.260 instead, you can have perfection and utopia here on earth.
00:13:31.780 Ironically, it never achieves this
00:13:33.360 because we've seen that the death count of communism
00:13:36.100 in the tens and hundreds of millions over the past century alone
00:13:39.920 is evidence enough that this is not the worldly utopia
00:13:42.860 that they claim to achieve.
00:13:44.740 And it's because they have these foundational principles wrong.
00:13:49.780 Communism, people make the mistake, as you alluded to,
00:13:52.400 that it's primarily just economic.
00:13:54.820 And as I hope to illustrate through this book,
00:13:57.580 it really has this almost demonic undertone to it.
00:14:01.200 Religion was heavily targeted by communist regimes the world over.
00:14:05.020 So astonishingly, the playbook against the Catholic Church
00:14:08.180 is pretty uniform,
00:14:10.080 despite geographic and temporal disparities
00:14:12.500 between these countries and these individuals that I spoke to.
00:14:15.360 And it's this playbook that really reveals the true nature of communism.
00:14:19.280 It's interesting because you know how with the LGBT movement, for instance,
00:14:24.980 there was always this talk about how members would be harming themselves
00:14:31.560 and they were doing all these bad things
00:14:34.560 and getting these psychological problems.
00:14:36.420 But they always blamed it on those who would say,
00:14:40.360 no, the behavior is against nature and you're harming yourself
00:14:43.680 and it's causing the problem.
00:14:45.700 But the homosexual activists rather would say,
00:14:47.940 no, no, no, it's not.
00:14:49.080 It's only you.
00:14:50.220 The whole reason why we're experiencing guilt and shame
00:14:54.300 and killing ourselves is all because you're condemning us.
00:14:57.500 We have to stomp out that condemnation.
00:15:00.440 Therefore, we'll be finding good.
00:15:01.740 We know that didn't work because if you go to Switzerland
00:15:03.880 and other countries where homosexuality is celebrated
00:15:05.980 and has been for decades,
00:15:07.280 they've still got the same suicide rate.
00:15:08.960 But the question is,
00:15:11.840 is there some similarity there with communist countries?
00:15:15.480 The reason why this is not working is because we have those darn Catholics
00:15:19.800 or people who believe in God, some God in the sky,
00:15:23.780 that are stopping us from achieving our utopia.
00:15:26.460 Yes, that's a great parallel that you make.
00:15:28.420 And of course, that's the argument that the communists use.
00:15:30.940 Catholics were often accused of being wreckers,
00:15:33.440 which is a term that basically accuses them
00:15:36.500 of sabotaging the communist project economically.
00:15:39.860 Also, a very major charge often leveled against Catholics
00:15:43.440 was counter-revolutionary.
00:15:45.260 And this is because not only we believe things
00:15:47.760 that are antithetical to the communist project,
00:15:49.640 but also because of the existence of the Vatican
00:15:52.140 as a sovereign state,
00:15:53.680 they would try to claim that Catholics were foreign agents.
00:15:56.280 So they always find a way to make it the fault
00:16:00.120 of the supposed fifth column
00:16:01.520 that their own ideology is failing at its own purported ends.
00:16:06.500 For two years now, we have been witnessing a global coup d'etat
00:16:11.560 in which a financial and ideological elite
00:16:16.660 has succeeded in seizing control
00:16:20.720 of part of the national government,
00:16:24.060 public and private institutions,
00:16:27.300 the media, the judiciary,
00:16:30.660 politicians and religious leaders.
00:16:32.980 I invite all those who want to defend
00:16:39.280 the traditional Christian society
00:16:41.260 to meet together in an international forum
00:16:46.100 to be held as soon as possible
00:16:49.840 in which representatives of various nations
00:16:53.360 come together to present a serious, concrete
00:16:58.280 and clear proposal.
00:17:01.660 My appeal is made to political leaders
00:17:05.240 and to rulers who care about good of their citizens,
00:17:10.640 leaving aside the old system of political parties
00:17:14.340 and the logic imposed by a system
00:17:17.620 enslaved to power and money.
00:17:20.980 I call the Christian nation together
00:17:24.840 from east to west,
00:17:28.480 inviting head of state
00:17:30.060 and the healthy forces of institutions,
00:17:34.580 the economy, labour, university,
00:17:39.320 healthcare and information
00:17:41.360 to join a common project,
00:17:45.000 disrupting the whole system
00:17:46.680 and putting aside the hostility
00:17:49.400 that are designed
00:17:50.700 by the enemies of humanity
00:17:53.980 in the name of divider and tempera.
00:17:58.680 We do not accept our adversary's rules
00:18:02.340 because they are made precisely
00:18:05.160 to prevent us from reacting
00:18:07.840 and organizing an effective
00:18:10.560 and incisive opposition.
00:18:14.300 I call upon nation and their citizens
00:18:17.480 to ally themselves
00:18:20.220 under the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ,
00:18:24.060 the only King and Savior,
00:18:26.940 the Prince of Peace,
00:18:29.860 in Oxenio Vincis.
00:18:31.920 Let us found this anti-globalist alliance.
00:18:39.020 Let us give.
00:18:41.240 It is a simple and clear program.
00:18:44.920 And let us free humanity
00:18:46.420 from a totalitarian regime
00:18:48.540 that brings together in itself
00:18:52.300 the horrors of the worst dictatorships
00:18:56.200 of all time.
00:18:57.400 If we continue to delay,
00:19:02.160 if we do not understand
00:19:04.540 the threat that looms over us all,
00:19:08.980 if we do not react
00:19:10.820 by organizing ourselves
00:19:13.460 into a firm and courageous resistance,
00:19:17.400 this impermanent regime
00:19:19.160 that is establishing itself everywhere
00:19:22.920 will not be able to be stopped.
00:19:25.760 And may the Almighty God
00:19:29.040 assist us and protect us.
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00:19:56.740 There were prophecies
00:19:58.040 that talk about also
00:19:59.260 a false prophet coming.
00:20:01.260 It's in the scriptures as well
00:20:02.480 that, you know,
00:20:04.440 there would be a false prophet.
00:20:05.560 Many saints have suggested
00:20:07.200 that that false prophet
00:20:08.500 would be a pope.
00:20:09.960 I don't think we've had
00:20:11.020 a better contender
00:20:11.880 than Pope Francis.
00:20:15.200 And what will that mean?
00:20:16.400 We won't know
00:20:17.340 until the false prophet
00:20:18.940 were to point to,
00:20:19.920 like, an antichrist
00:20:20.540 and say that that's God.
00:20:21.780 That's the ultimate.
00:20:22.480 Have you ever heard
00:20:25.940 of that prophecy?
00:20:26.600 What do you make
00:20:27.280 of this idea?
00:20:28.040 Have you ever heard
00:20:28.420 of the idea that Francis
00:20:29.400 might be the false prophet?
00:20:30.580 I've heard it,
00:20:31.720 and I wouldn't even,
00:20:32.960 for two seconds,
00:20:33.940 think to be an expert
00:20:34.820 on it.
00:20:37.040 One thing,
00:20:37.720 you can correct me
00:20:38.240 if I'm wrong,
00:20:38.800 one thing that I always
00:20:40.200 understood about this
00:20:41.200 false prophet
00:20:41.920 is he was going to be
00:20:42.700 something like Felsenberg
00:20:44.060 in The Lord of the World,
00:20:45.640 you know,
00:20:46.220 where he was going to be
00:20:46.960 so brilliant
00:20:47.580 and so incredible
00:20:49.020 that everyone,
00:20:50.420 as the prophecies say,
00:20:51.440 even the elect
00:20:52.180 will be deceived.
00:20:53.200 That's for Antichrist himself.
00:20:54.620 Yes, exactly.
00:20:55.400 So I would apply
00:20:56.180 the same thing
00:20:56.680 to the false prophet.
00:20:57.480 There's going to be
00:20:58.080 a deception
00:20:58.680 that's going to fall,
00:20:59.660 everyone's going to fall for it.
00:21:01.840 What I've noticed
00:21:02.580 with Francis
00:21:03.040 is from the moment
00:21:04.220 he got in,
00:21:05.760 nobody's fallen for it.
00:21:07.600 Now, you have
00:21:08.020 the Nancy Pelosi's
00:21:09.140 and you have
00:21:09.500 the terrified bishops
00:21:10.680 who are too afraid
00:21:11.340 to resist him,
00:21:12.680 but think about,
00:21:13.820 and this,
00:21:14.160 maybe you've talked
00:21:14.720 about my years
00:21:15.800 who've experienced,
00:21:16.360 I have never seen
00:21:17.440 greater unity.
00:21:20.000 I mean, Raymond Arroyo
00:21:20.780 and Robert Arroyo
00:21:21.760 and Father Murray
00:21:23.060 sound like remnant columnists
00:21:24.360 over there on EWTN,
00:21:25.620 which used to be
00:21:26.480 neo-Catholic central,
00:21:28.320 you know.
00:21:29.400 I've never seen
00:21:30.520 so much agreement
00:21:31.780 that we have
00:21:32.400 a massive problem
00:21:33.440 in the church.
00:21:33.880 So again,
00:21:34.240 if you can correct me
00:21:35.180 on that,
00:21:35.520 if that's not at all
00:21:36.920 any part of the
00:21:37.660 false prophet prophecy,
00:21:39.440 but it seems to me
00:21:40.760 that Francis
00:21:41.280 has done just the opposite
00:21:43.320 of what the false prophet
00:21:44.340 is supposed to do,
00:21:45.280 and that's deceived
00:21:46.020 the world,
00:21:46.540 set up for the Antichrist,
00:21:48.000 instead everyone's going,
00:21:49.400 what is going on in Rome?
00:21:51.440 You know how
00:21:51.900 when we were kids
00:21:52.540 we learned that a priest
00:21:53.720 who loses the faith
00:21:55.260 and it's an interior thing
00:21:56.620 and he's not malicious
00:21:57.280 at all,
00:21:58.380 but he still wills
00:22:00.040 to do what the church
00:22:01.600 wants him to do
00:22:02.320 with respect to the mass,
00:22:03.940 but that mass
00:22:04.560 is still valid.
00:22:06.100 So it would be
00:22:06.760 a question of
00:22:07.380 how cognizant
00:22:08.560 is Francis
00:22:09.600 of the errors
00:22:11.400 of his ways?
00:22:12.960 Is he just thinking
00:22:14.040 in his mind
00:22:14.620 that he wants
00:22:15.060 to be pastoral
00:22:15.880 and get divorced
00:22:16.600 and remarried
00:22:17.120 and gay people
00:22:17.760 feeling better
00:22:18.380 about themselves
00:22:18.880 so they can come
00:22:19.380 to the Lord?
00:22:20.200 Well, I mean,
00:22:20.660 I don't think so,
00:22:22.060 but it's difficult
00:22:22.940 to know for sure.
00:22:23.920 So when you talk
00:22:24.360 about conversion,
00:22:25.540 you need to come back
00:22:26.960 fully to a full appreciation
00:22:28.400 of what it means
00:22:29.100 to be a Catholic
00:22:29.700 and I think that's
00:22:30.220 what Cardinal Muller
00:22:30.860 and some of the others
00:22:31.500 are saying,
00:22:32.040 that this is not Catholic anymore,
00:22:33.960 you need to stop.
00:22:35.220 But that doesn't
00:22:35.980 necessarily mean
00:22:37.020 he has lost his office
00:22:39.500 or he's ceased
00:22:40.140 membership in the church
00:22:41.180 because he's wayward
00:22:42.180 for a time.
00:22:43.020 Like, we have to give
00:22:43.760 even the Pope
00:22:44.460 the time for the grace
00:22:46.080 to work on him.
00:22:47.480 That's why it's so important
00:22:48.100 that we pray for him
00:22:48.860 that he might convert
00:22:50.240 and come back
00:22:50.800 and if he converts
00:22:51.440 and comes back
00:22:52.000 like John XXII did
00:22:53.380 or like Pius IX,
00:22:54.720 they thought he was
00:22:55.360 going to be a liberal
00:22:56.000 and said he can,
00:22:56.840 well, this would be
00:22:57.420 a wonderful,
00:22:58.580 beautiful thing.
00:22:59.460 So we do have to pray
00:23:00.400 for the Pope
00:23:00.940 because if he came back
00:23:02.200 and thwarted the efforts
00:23:03.360 of the World Economic Forum
00:23:04.940 and the United Nations
00:23:05.760 and everybody else,
00:23:06.900 well, that's a massive
00:23:07.680 victory for us.
00:23:08.380 But I agree with Bishop Schneider
00:23:09.380 that we should pray for him
00:23:11.060 to convert fully
00:23:11.980 to an understanding
00:23:13.280 of what it means
00:23:13.780 to be Catholic.