Russia has WON - Ukraine has Already LOST ｜ Colonel Macgregor
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Colonel Douglas McGregor, a retired colonel in the United States Army and a political consultant, joins us to discuss the situation in Ukraine, Russia and Israel, two hotspots in which there are fears about a possible third world war.
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Stop all aid to the Ukrainian government, period.
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Hello, my friends, and welcome to the John Henry Weston Show,
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where we have a very special guest with us today.
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In fact, a guest who can give us clarity on what's going on in Ukraine, Russia, and Israel,
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which there are fears about escalation into World War III.
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We have with us none other than Colonel Douglas McGregor,
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and also a political consultant, a former government official, an author,
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and a political commentator who is daring to say the things today
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Let's begin, as we always do, with the sign of the cross.
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In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, Amen.
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We're very grateful to have Colonel McGregor with us today.
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Thank you very much for inviting me to join you.
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Tell us about what's going on in Ukraine and Russia.
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What's happening there, and you've warned about it before,
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but the possible escalation into a veritable Third World War is eminently possible.
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Tell us about that and what's happening right now.
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I think historically, wars become most dangerous at their end.
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And we are at the end of this war in Ukraine between the regime in Kiev and Moscow.
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I think people need to understand the war is, for all intents and purposes, over.
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We're looking at least 1.5 million dead Ukrainian soldiers.
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These things are not told to people in the West.
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They don't understand just how tragic and desolate Ukraine has become.
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And the regime in Kiev is largely distant from its own population.
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They've decided, and I think this man Zelensky is reflective of this small minority that runs
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the country, that they're going to pull out every stop that's available to try and persuade
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people, especially in Washington, but also in Western Europe, that there is still life left
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The Ukrainian ground force commander, who is widely regarded as probably one of the competent
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members of the Ukrainian military, resigned yesterday.
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He resigned according, I don't know what the official reason was, but I know that privately,
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he said, this war is lost and he doesn't want to preside over the mass extermination of what
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And literally, that's what you're looking at on the battlefield right now.
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A Ukrainian soldier, most of them are not very well trained.
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They're equipped, but they don't receive much training before they go into action.
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And they're essentially being pushed into enemy gunfire, for which they're largely unprepared.
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We are sending things to them that they can't even employ effectively.
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And so what you see instead of battlefield tactics, per se, on the Ukrainian side, are these
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desperate measures that are really public relations stunts designed to create the illusion
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And we've seen that recently with the penetration of the border in Siberia at these remote air
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bases where they were able to surprise the Russians.
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Some of the drones that were used in this attack were shot down, but some got through and
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they damaged some old Cold War bombers that were on the runway.
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Now, the reason those bombers were on the runways, or we would say tarmac in the military,
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was part of the strategic arms limitations agreements with the Soviets that have persisted
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into the present that obligate us to put our bombers out on the runway for the same reason,
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That reassures the Soviets or reassured the Russians now and reassures us that these are
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not being loaded with nuclear weapons and prepared to take off immediately and attack us.
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So, unfortunately, what we've done inadvertently by helping the Ukrainians to execute this particular
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mission is we've destroyed confidence in our government's understanding of just how critical
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So, it's a bad situation from the standpoint of agreements that we've made with the Soviets
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and the Russians in the past, but it's even more serious insofar as this is a fraud.
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This is an effort to create the illusion that there is something happening on the ground in
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The only thing that can happen is more Ukrainians can die in ever-increasing numbers.
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And it reminds me of something that General Petraeus, when he was operating in Iraq, had
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Somebody asked you about what's happening here, here, here in Iraq, and he said, look,
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what people think in Washington is what counts.
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If we can convince people in Washington that we are still here, we can fight, and they should
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continue to fund us and supply us, then we have a chance of survival.
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It's a PR stunt dressed up to look like something it isn't.
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It seems so unfathomable, particularly when the PR stunt, as you call it, is costing lives
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How do those numbers compare to the deaths of the Russians?
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Is it a similar number that what we're hearing, what we're always hearing from the mainstream
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And, well, I have a fault, but tell us that first.
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Well, I estimate, and others who are familiar with the war to this point, estimate about 120,000
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There may be some additional dead if we separate Chechens and people from the Donetsk and Luhansk
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You may add another 5,000, 10,000 into that category.
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But on the whole, the loss ratio is for every one killed, one Russian killed, you usually
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had somewhere between six and eight Ukrainians killed.
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Over the last several months, and this happens at the end of every major war, if you go back
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to the Second World War, the Germans actually took most of their losses in the last six
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When an army begins to retreat, is overwhelmed by your firepower and your capabilities, things
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As they fall apart, more and more and more people are killed, wounded, or captured.
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Bear in mind that the secret police in Ukraine, working with the CIA, MI6, and Mossad, have
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been pretty effective at essentially shooting anyone who doesn't want to fight, jailing
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anyone who doesn't want to fight, or forcing them at gunpoint into action.
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When I say gangs, I'm talking about groups of men who have decided to organize themselves
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to resist any further compulsory military service, so they can no longer round up people off
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the streets or go to people's houses with impunity, drag people out, drag men out, and put them
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into vans and cars and take them off to be killed.
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But again, this man Zelensky knows that if he can create this illusion in people's minds,
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Remember that about a third to 40% of everything we send to Ukraine, I'm talking about cash
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as well as equipment, ultimately disappears into the black hole of corruption.
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And officers in the Ukrainian army, battalion commanders and above, have all been supplemented
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with income based on the corrupt redistribution of American cash.
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Nothing could go on for 24 hours without vast infusions of American cash.
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And we've also seen them resell large quantities of equipment.
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They've even resold equipment to the Russians, which is some people shake their heads in disbelief,
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We've seen people in Mexico and the drug cartels and the armed organizations there in organized
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crime walking around with weapons they purchased from the Ukrainians.
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Including javelin missiles, which is a very lethal system.
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I mean, you can defend against it and fight against it, but if you're on the drug cartel
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payroll and somebody tells you to use a javelin missile over the border, you're into serious
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trouble because there's no way for you to be prepared for that.
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Has what's happened recently ended the threat of a possible World War III scenario coming
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from the Ukraine-Russia conflict, or is that still possible?
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I think that President Trump has failed to impose his will on his own administration as well
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He has not taken definitive and decisive stances.
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And if you don't do that, then the danger of rapid escalation and the involvement of other
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If you go back to President Eisenhower in 1956, we had something called the Suez Crisis,
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where the British, the French, and the Israelis jointly decided to invade Egypt with the goal
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And of course, the Israelis were told, if you come in on this with us, we'll give you Suez.
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So the Israelis invaded, the British, and the French all invaded.
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When Eisenhower discovered this, he was infuriated, and he immediately went public,
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and he told the British, the French, and the Israelis to get the hell out of Egypt.
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And he made it abundantly clear that we, under no circumstances, were prepared to go to war
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with the Soviets at that point, because the Soviets had come out and said, if the British
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and the French and the Israelis do this, we will intervene in Egypt to save the Egyptian
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Well, that's, you know, Eisenhower didn't want anything to do with the war in Egypt or
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And so he forced the British, the French, and the Israelis to retreat.
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He told them, if you don't retreat, you know, there will be consequences, financial, economic,
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And of course, they knew then, as they know now, without our support, without our financial
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backing, without the military equipment and technology we're prepared to provide, they
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can't sustain themselves for any length of time.
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These are small organizations designed to conduct safaris in Africa.
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In other words, to intervene in places where there isn't much capability to impose, you
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know, solutions, political, economic, military, whatever they are.
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They are not prepared in any way, shape, or form to take on the Russians.
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And when they talk about spending more on defense, it takes 10 years to build effective
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Their economies are in as bad shape, if not worse than our own here in the United States.
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So how could you possibly extract more wealth from the population?
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And their welfare systems, if you will, their social security nets are much more extensive
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So the notion that the Europeans are going to be in a position anytime soon to take on
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They want an end to this, but they want to be assured that their country will be protected.
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And we have failed repeatedly to address the legitimate security interests of the Russians.
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It would be as though we in the United States were concerned about hostile forces in Mexico,
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attacking our citizens and destroying our property, and then ultimately doing nothing about it.
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And when we did something about it, and we have in the past intervened in Mexico to stop things,
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then we would argue we have a legitimate security interest.
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Your radicalism, your revolutionary spirit, your activities, your criminality is spilling
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So we have intervened previously and pushed the Mexicans away from the border, especially
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Imagine what we would do today if we saw Russians and Chinese in great numbers inside Mexico,
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training, arming, and equipping Mexicans to fight us.
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I think the reaction in the United States would be far more violent and immediate than what
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What could President Trump do in order to, as you said, sort of make his will more concrete
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But also, what can the people of the United States do in order to encourage that and end
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to the bloodshed there, which, as you said, could escalate?
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Let's answer the one about the president first.
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The president talked when he was running for election shortly after he was inaugurated about
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ending these overseas conflicts, stopping our interventions in these things.
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And he boasted that he could get on the phone, make some phone calls and end the war in 24
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That statement was ridiculous because the issues at stake in Ukraine are very complex.
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Ukrainian problem, if you will, has been there for hundreds of years.
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There's a long history that we can't go into right now.
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But there are reasons for the people feeling the way they do on all sides.
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But the point is, for us as Americans, I think the most important thing for President Trump to say
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right off the bat immediately is, number one, under no circumstances do we support a war with Russia.
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Number two, if Kiev doesn't understand that we under no circumstances are prepared to go to war in
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Ukraine on their behalf, then it becomes important for us to do two things.
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Number one, stop all aid to the Ukrainian government, period.
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Number two, I am withdrawing, if I were president, I would say I'm withdrawing all American citizens
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in and out of uniform, intelligence or otherwise from Ukraine.
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Well, at that point, the Europeans are saying, well, you're leaving us hanging.
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I'm telling you, this is a European problem that Europeans need to solve.
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And the only way to solve this is not to try and build yourselves up militarily because that's
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I mean, President Trump says, oh, I want the killing to stop.
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And I've been saying this for months and I'm not the only one.
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And he, instead of following instincts, he usually has pretty good instincts on these
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And he's tried to impose himself on this, pretending that he is in a position to somehow or another
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You know, Charles de Gaulle used to say two things.
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He said, people in Europe need to understand these two things.
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Number one, Great Britain is an island and Americans don't live in Europe.
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And so how can the American people assist the president to take these actions, which
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I'm sure he's getting pushback on from a lot of different parties?
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Well, remember that large numbers of people in Washington and particularly on the Hill have
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stuffed their pockets with cash as a result of this, what I would call phony military assistance
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Because what we do is that we say we're going to allocate X amount of dollars to buy equipment.
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And the dollars go to the military industrial base, to the various firms and corporations
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that are providing things in return for which members of Congress, in addition to owning
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stock in these things and benefiting in that form, receive campaign donations.
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Thank you so much, you know, Senator, Congressman, for supporting this massive aid program to Ukraine
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When from day one, anyone with any experience in the region, knowing anything about Russia
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So what they've got to do is they've not only got to contact the president of the United
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States, they've got to flood their senators and congressmen with messages that say, and
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this is the only thing that they listen to, dear Mr. So-and-so, dear Senator So-and-so,
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if you don't stop aid to Ukraine and end this war, I will never vote for you again.
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That's what they listen to because that's what they're most concerned about, staying
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If they can't stay in office, they can't line their pockets with the extra cash.
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They can't play illegally in the stock market, which is what they've been doing up there for
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When you have someone who steps forward like Thomas Massey from Kentucky, and he says,
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I'm not going to support the aid package for Ukraine.
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Then President Trump turns around and says, he's my enemy.
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He's the only man of any integrity or common sense.
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Everybody else has got their hands out for more cash.
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Let's turn for a moment to the other hotbed in the world right now, and that's in Israel.
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Tell us what you think is happening there in Israel and what potential that has for either
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escalation or coming back to some kind of relative peace.
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You know, I actually talked to President Trump in November of 2020 about Iran, and I know that
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at that point, at any rate, he was absolutely resolute in his opposition to a war with Iran,
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Of course, this predates the catastrophe in Gaza.
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Now he's got a different situation because I think he owes a great deal to his position in the
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White House to extraordinarily wealthy Jewish donors, and these are all advocates for and
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agents for Mr. Netanyahu and what he wants to do for his so-called greater Israel project.
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And I think President Trump is trying to satisfy them, reassure them, reassure his Jewish constituents
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who are so wealthy and influential, because you know how the Israel lobby operates.
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It's technically a foreign lobby, but we treat it as a domestic lobby because most of the money
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Remember, you had someone like Adelson, who was an Israeli who then got American citizenship.
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So when he contributes hundreds of millions of dollars to the Israel lobby, well, then
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We have people on the National Security Council staff who are Israeli citizens who also hold
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We really didn't face this in a dramatic way until really the late 60s and 70s, because up
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until 65, if you voted in the election for a foreign government, if you served with a
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foreign military establishment and swore allegiance to the country in doing so, well, that was
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considered illegal and you were stripped of your citizenship.
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But for the moment, that doesn't exist anymore.
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And he, you know, he thus far has tried to make everyone happy, because if there's one
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flaw in President Trump, it's his desire to be popular.
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As Harry Truman said, if you want a friend in Washington, buy a dog.
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Perhaps he should go back and remember what Truman had to say.
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But I don't think he, I don't think he understands that.
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And when he goes out, he wants to be cheered and he wants to be worshipped.
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And that makes him feel as though what he's doing is right.
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But at the end of the day, there is no strategy.
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you had articles that came out in the news saying, well, America is close to an arrangement
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with Iran, a new deal based on 3.2 or 3.5 percent uranium enrichment and a new way to
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dispose of the enriched uranium or share it with others and so forth.
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All of a sudden, last night, he came up and said, no enrichment.
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Well, no enrichment means eventually war with Iran.
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Now, remember that Pakistan and India have hundreds of missiles and probably hundreds,
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So Iran sees this as a question of sovereign independence.
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Why should they give up their sovereignty as an independent country?
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Because Israel doesn't want them to have access to nuclear power.
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Because the Israelis think that any access to nuclear power could result in Iran becoming
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And they want to remain the only power in the region with nuclear weapons.
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And so we are there to ensure that they enjoy this monopoly, which they insist is vital to their
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This is not a good thing for the United States, and I say, with all in all seriousness, Mr.
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Trump needs to look in the mirror and ask whether or not he's about America first.
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Because we have no interest in going to war with Iran.
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How much they enrich is of no real consequence to us, especially when they agree to be inspected,
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when they agree to arrangements that allow third parties to validate?
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We're opposed to nuclear proliferation in the sense of weapons, and that would seem to
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But it is an absolute condition stipulated by Mr. Netanyahu and his agents in the United
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States who fund the Israel lobby that Iran may not have nuclear enrichment.
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What do you make of that crazy proposal that Trump put out as an AI video about Trump-Gaza
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Because I think a lot of people now realize Trump does some things.
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What do you think it means, especially for America right now?
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A friend of mine said to me the other day, you know, it's very difficult for someone who
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drives a Lamborghini or a Ferrari or is chauffeured in a limousine all the time to understand what
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it's like to drive a Ford pickup truck to work every day.
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I don't think President Trump grasped what was happening in Gaza.
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This is not someone who reads and absorbs information at a very high rate.
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This is someone who doesn't read much of anything.
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He told a friend of mine, somebody asked him about the Constitution, and they said,
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And he said, well, I don't know all those details.
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Well, then you've got to read the Constitution.
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If I need to know what's in it, I have people here on staff that I pay to tell me what's in it.
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Well, that's a dangerous position to take for someone who is the commander-in-chief
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of the United States Armed Forces and the chief executive of the American government.
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Do you really want to depend on a small inner circle of people that may be your friends
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and golfing buddies to tell you what you need to know?
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And I'm sure some of these golfing buddies who have billions of dollars are very smart men,
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and I would take their advice potentially, depending on the situation,
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on real estate in New York City, but I don't think I'd listen to much else that they have to say.
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And I think that's the problem with President Trump.
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I don't think he's always known, and then I don't think he's prepared to act accordingly
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I think he's been subjected to a very one-sided picture.
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Gaza is a stain on the honor of the American people.
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We should not support any country in the world that is engaged in the mass murder or expulsion
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I don't care what their race is, religion, or anything else.
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But he doesn't seem to grasp that, and so he doesn't talk about it.
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And I think his comments about, oh, this is great real estate.
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I think he was talking to his real estate friends and said, oh, these people are worthless.
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They could have had Las Vegas on the Mediterranean.
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Well, it may come as a shock or a surprise, but most Muslim and Christian Arabs or Palestinians
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may not be interested in building Las Vegas on the Mediterranean.
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So I asked you previously with regard to Russia, Ukraine, if the threat of a world war ensuing
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But if the president's will isn't made clear and obvious and he doesn't go ahead with the
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push that he knows he needs to do, it might still escalate.
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What do you think about that same question with regard to Israel, Gaza, the genocide that's
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Does that have the potential also to escalate into something of a world war scenario?
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I think the Middle East situation is ultimately far more dangerous.
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President Putin is on the other side in Eastern Europe.
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He absolutely does not want a war with the United States or NATO.
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And that, to a large extent, explains why he's been very careful and deliberate in his approach
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The average Russian is furious, doesn't understand why he hasn't already smashed everyone in
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Kiev and why he's not prepared to cross the river and march all the way to the Polish border,
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because Russians are that angry about what's happened.
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People have never been told how the Ukrainians have behaved on the battlefield.
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We get this report, all Russians are murdering civilians.
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And the things the Ukrainians have done and the symbols that they've attached to themselves
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have resurrected this ugly past of the Second World War.
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And that's a nightmare for the people that live in Russia.
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So they would have acted already much more decisively.
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But for President Putin, President Putin has reined everyone in and said, no, we're going
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to approach this carefully, we're going to work as much as possible for a negotiated end.
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The situation in the Middle East is totally different.
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Mr. Netanyahu is absolutely, resolutely opposed to anything that does not deliver on the Greater
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Now, I'm sure some of your viewers have seen Israelis in uniform, and they are wearing a patch.
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And that patch shows that Sinai, parts of Jordan, half of Syria, and half of Lebanon are all part of Greater Israel.
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And that means to the Israelis, the removal of the populations that are living there who
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And that's something that, again, I don't think we should support.
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It's completely inconsistent with what we say our principles and values are.
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So I think there's a real danger that if we attack Iran, and when I say we, I'm talking
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about the Israelis and, and whether, whether or not we do it initially with them, or they
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do it, and then we are asked to come in and support them and help defend them, doesn't make
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any difference because the Iranians are prepared.
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Now they may not be prepared for the Israelis to use a nuclear weapon.
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And I hope they don't, but they have the access to that.
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And they may feel that they can do it and get away with it.
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Right now, their plan is to destroy two things, the nuclear, so-called nuclear facilities or
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weapons or whatever they think is stored there and the government, because they have this
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fantasy in which the government's decapitated and the Iranians all rise up, cheer and replace
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I mean, only, only someone who is drinking heavily from the wrong material is going to believe
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So I think the truth is this, if what I just described happened, if the Israelis become involved
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with that, the Iranians will respond and they have thousands of missiles capable of doing
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Then we will come in to try and subdue the Iranians.
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And if we do that, the Russians will come into the war because they will not stand by and
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watch us and the Israelis pulverize Iran out of existence.
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And at the same time, all the Arab states, I think, will then finally act.
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That includes Egypt, Jordan, the Saudis, the Emirates, all will act against Israel.
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I think at that point, it would be very difficult for the Turks, who thus far have played both
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sides to the middle in their attempts to benefit from American support if they have, if they
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They, too, will be in a position that makes it almost impossible for them not to come in
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That's why I had hoped that by now, President Trump would have intervened and said, that's
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We're not going to supply any more munitions, any more equipment to kill these people.
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I'd hoped that he would intervene and say, 3.5 or 2 or 4, whatever percent uranium enrichment
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And if you don't like it, you're going to have to learn to live with it.
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But again, I keep waiting for the American first president to show his cards.
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And finally, Colonel McGregor, you explained to us what the American people could do with
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regard to Ukraine, Russia, how they could incur as a president that way.
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What can the Americans do to help the president to come to resolution on Gaza?
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And do you even think that's possible, given that he has, you know, these mega, mega donors
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Well, there's also something else to be considered.
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Americans have been treated to at least two and a half to three decades of systematic preparation
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They've only seen the ugly face, the evil face, if you will, of Islam in the form of ISIS and
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They've been propagandized to believe that Iran is the mother of all terrorism, which
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And they keep telling you that Iran and the region is very much the same as it was 46 years ago.
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So Americans aren't sure because they're not hearing, you know, the alternative story.
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Now, some of the evangelical support that he's had is ebbing, as some of these people who
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describe themselves as Christians are beginning to ask whether or not the teachings of Christ
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justify mass murder and expulsion of people from Gaza.
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Again, this is where the president has to demonstrate leadership.
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This is so important, John, if I may call you John.
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That's why they were elected as chief executives.
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Imposing your will means if you don't follow me, there'll be a price paid.
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The problem right now in connection with the Middle East, when the president sits down with
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his advisers and says, how many senators can I count on to support me?
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Finally, I just wanted to ask you, I know you're also a man of prayer.
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Tell us about that in your life and the possibility of still the people of God reaching out to our
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Lord for help, even in the midst of what seems like crazy negotiations and possible world war.
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Where is that place for prayer in the American life right now?
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Prayer, and this includes the scientific assessments of prayer, is obviously underestimated.
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Anyone who has studied prayer, whether you believe in Christianity or any other religion,
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all of the studies of people who engage collectively in prayer have shown that prayer makes a difference.
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It actually influences things, influences thinking.
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And I think prayer needs to be addressed, and we need to pray differently in some respects from
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People want to pray for something, and I think what we need to pray for is some degree of enlightenment
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You know, there used to be something that we referred to, and even when I was in graduate
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school, we studied it, something called Just War Doctrine, and you can go back through the
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Catholic Church and find enormous evidence for this.
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Even the people that entered World War I looked at it carefully, including the Germans and the
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Austrians, and they all felt that they were justified.
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Now, this is a different world today, and in many respects at the time they were right.
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We have to ask whether or not what we want to do as Americans is just.
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We've got to move away from this sort of knee-jerk reaction.
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Well, if you don't support the president, you must be one of those people who hates America.
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If I'm opposed to going to war for reasons that I think make no sense, that doesn't mean
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So when I pray, and I do privately, I pray for understanding, for intelligence, for good judgment,
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and for justice, and to be a better human being than I am, which is a pretty much of a full-time
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So I think that's where we ought to focus right now, and I wish churches would focus on that instead
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There are too many out there that are really preaching war on behalf of this Israeli state
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against millions of people they don't even know or understand.
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Indeed, that is what has been, I think, for many of us who are in touch with people in the Holy
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It's been shocking and sad to see the brother Christians of the ancient Christian communities
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who are there suffering and dying in Gaza, for them to know that their own brother Christians
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here in the West are either ignorant of their plight and or see it as somehow a divine mandate
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to do this, to do what really is the unthinkable genesis.
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But Colonel McGuire, I want to thank you so very much for your time, which I know is very limited.
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A great thank you from all of us here, and also encouragement in your great work, and may it continue.
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And we pledge our prayers for you. May God bless you.
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Well, thank you so much, and God bless you and everyone that you come into contact with.
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God bless you, my friends. Thank you for joining us, and we'll see you next time.
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