The John-Henry Westen Show - Save James： Father risks arrest to save 9-year-old son from forced gender-transition

00:00:00.000 When James Younger was just three years old, he told his dad,

00:00:03.940 Mommy says I'm a girl.

00:00:05.820 When his mom enrolled James in kindergarten, she enrolled him as Luna.

00:00:10.400 James has been attending school as a girl since kindergarten,

00:00:13.800 despite telling his dad he is a boy, just like his twin brother Jude.

00:00:18.920 When James was about seven, medical records indicated

00:00:21.960 James had been referred to a gender therapist for medical chemical transition 0.98

00:00:29.200 at seven years old.

00:00:32.000 We are now going to speak with Jeff Younger, who is his dad,

00:00:35.600 who has heroically fought, trying to gain full custody of both his twin boys,

00:00:40.120 but at a minimum gain partial medical decision-making as Ann Jorgulas, his ex-wife.

00:00:48.920 At the time, she had full medical decision-making authority for both boys,

00:00:53.260 according to the court, and could have started James on chemical castration,

00:00:58.220 if you believe it.

00:00:59.200 Well, in 2019, this case caught national attention with Ted Cruz,

00:01:03.580 Texas Governor Greg Abbott, and even Donald Trump Jr.,

00:01:06.480 tweeting about the need for us to protect children like James

00:01:10.020 from a life-altering decision like chemical transitioning.

00:01:13.640 In October 2019, Judge Kim Cooks ruled that both Jeff and his ex-wife Ann

00:01:20.960 could have joint medical decision-making and work toward joint conservatorship.

00:01:25.640 Judge Cooks also put a complete gag order on Jeff prohibiting him from discussing any aspect

00:01:32.920 of the case and or his son's sexuality with others.

00:01:36.460 Jeff is actually now set to have a trial hearing this Friday in Dallas, where he could possibly go to jail for violating his gag order.

00:01:44.920 Ann's lawyers are also fighting to give Ann any money Jeff has raised for his cause

00:01:52.200 to shut down the Save James Facebook page, which is run by supporters of James.

00:01:57.980 Since October 2019, a lot has happened, and we're going to talk to Jeff about it.

00:02:02.660 So stay tuned.

00:02:23.540 Let's begin, as we always do, with the sign of the cross.

00:02:25.980 In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.

00:02:29.680 Amen.

00:02:31.160 Amen.

00:02:32.260 Jeff Younger, thank you for being with us.

00:02:35.080 And thank you for the heroic effort that you've taken in terms of defense of your own son,

00:02:41.880 but also of all parents who find themselves in these crazy situations.

00:02:47.460 If you could start off, Jeff, can you give us...

00:02:51.140 Well, thank you.

00:02:52.800 Go ahead.

00:02:53.320 I'm always a little ambivalent about that.

00:02:55.760 I'm just a dad protecting his son, and I don't honestly think that warrants much praise.

00:03:02.760 And I think it's what any father would do in my position who would love their children.

00:03:08.200 Well, Jeff, can you give our viewers a quick update on what's been going on?

00:03:12.460 Yeah, so in 2019, as you said, we had a trial.

00:03:19.440 And at that trial, the top experts in transgender medicine on both sides of this issue showed up

00:03:25.900 in a family court in Dallas, Texas.

00:03:28.720 And I had the men who founded the transgender medical field, men from the original John Hopkins

00:03:35.060 Clinic, and had trained with some of the original people.

00:03:38.800 And she had all of these new psychologists who are advocating this new gender ideology. 0.99

00:03:46.080 And one of the things that they testified to there was after a mere four years, they shut

00:03:51.960 down the clinic at Johns Hopkins because their data showed that these treatments harm patients.

00:03:56.920 They relearned that lesson in the early 90s, and they're just relearning it again now on

00:04:01.720 children.

00:04:02.060 In my case, I trained up an expert named Dr. Levine.

00:04:07.340 I paid a lot of money to bring him into court and train him how to deliver testimony in court.

00:04:13.280 He's the expert that went to the UK and got this practice banned in the UK courts.

00:04:19.700 So we made some global progress.

00:04:22.260 But unfortunately, the way the judge left the order with me is I had 50-50 parental rights.

00:04:29.040 So I was able to stop the chemical castration of my son.

00:04:32.660 I was supposed to get 50-50 possession time of my son after a counselor reviewed nine points

00:04:39.920 with me.

00:04:40.340 And these were just common sense things like unconditionally loving your children, recognizing

00:04:44.680 the signs of bullying, things like that.

00:04:47.320 The counselors have stretched this out now for a year and a half.

00:04:50.420 They have affirmed my son as a girl.

00:04:54.160 They have used female pronouns, used his fake girl's name, and have taught him that he's

00:04:59.440 a girl.

00:05:00.900 They have refused to see my son when he comes from my house because the significant thing

00:05:06.280 here is James only presents as a girl when he's with his mother.

00:05:10.880 With everybody else, he presents as a boy.

00:05:12.720 So they refuse to see him when he comes from my home.

00:05:16.700 And that's going to allow them to have biased testimony in the court and say, well, James

00:05:20.860 never presented as a boy to me.

00:05:23.220 And that's what they're trying to do.

00:05:24.980 So they've been trying to set this up for a year and a half.

00:05:27.120 So finally, when I found out they were affirming James as a girl, I revoked consent for the 0.96

00:05:32.240 court-appointed counselors to see my sons.

00:05:34.120 And then Ms. Georgilis filed a temporary orders suit to take away all of my parental rights

00:05:42.880 and give her sole medical and psychological decision-making.

00:05:46.240 And if she wins that, she will have my son in the Genesis Clinic, and he'll be on puberty

00:05:50.620 blockers and chemical castration drugs within the month.

00:05:56.260 I'm also being threatened with jail time.

00:05:59.880 They filed criminal contempt charges because I'm speaking to you right now.

00:06:03.020 You know, in a democracy, we have to participate with and inform our fellow citizens of what

00:06:09.860 the government is doing, and especially when we want to pass laws against.

00:06:14.140 So I've been very active in the last six months trying to pass a law here in the state of Texas.

00:06:19.260 We were not successful in getting Governor Abbott, Speaker of the House Dave Phelan, and Dan

00:06:26.340 Patrick, the Lieutenant Governor, to pass a law in this state protecting children from

00:06:30.780 chemical castration and sex change surgeries.

00:06:33.020 The Republicans here blocked it, blocked that law, and intentionally allowed children to 0.85

00:06:39.140 be sexually mutilated in this state.

00:06:41.280 But in order for me to pursue my right to change the laws, my Democratic right to petition

00:06:48.360 the government for redressing grievances, I have to be able to cooperate with my fellow

00:06:52.000 citizens.

00:06:52.520 And the judges have intentionally attempted to stop me from doing that by emplacing a hugely

00:06:59.760 broad gag order, which prohibits me from speaking on all manner of political topics, and I'm not

00:07:04.780 even allowed to tell you in that gag order whether my son's a boy or a girl.

00:07:07.920 It's so unbelievable that it defies description.

00:07:14.940 You know, you've become a veritable expert on the topic, going through this, living through

00:07:20.140 this kind of hell that you've been faced with.

00:07:23.500 You're a living testimony to parents to be extremely guarded with their children in what they're

00:07:32.340 exposed to and what, you know, damage it can cause.

00:07:37.060 A little bit for our listeners who might not know, the background on this process of chemical

00:07:44.020 castration on children, this is in parts irreversible, is it not?

00:07:50.340 Oh, yeah.

00:07:53.580 The other side always says it's reversible, and then when you put them on their sworn testimony,

00:07:58.680 they admit it's not.

00:08:00.660 What they do is, for example, in the medical records in my son, they intended at eight years

00:08:05.360 of age to put him on puberty blockers.

00:08:09.200 Puberty blockers block the normal growth of the skeleton.

00:08:13.980 That's one of the first major problems.

00:08:15.780 In the Scandinavian countries where they've been doing this longer, they're getting 20-year-olds

00:08:22.040 with a life-threatening osteoporosis because the skeletons didn't grow properly.

00:08:27.300 But all you have to really do is use simple logic, right?

00:08:30.600 Puberty is defined as a set of physical, psychological, and social changes that occur in a specific

00:08:37.160 order at a specific time in a child's development.

00:08:40.160 Once you've halted puberty, and then you start it up again 10 years later, by definition,

00:08:48.160 you've altered the sequence of events, and it's not recoverable.

00:08:51.180 And so there's physical damage that's done, there's psychological damage that's done, and

00:08:57.400 they'll never socially adjust properly because of that.

00:09:00.420 The other thing that they do is usually with boys around 10 to 11, they'll, after puberty

00:09:08.380 blockers, they'll continue the puberty blockers, but then introduce cross-sex hormones. 0.87

00:09:13.200 Now, cross-sex hormones, when they introduce them, permanently sterilize the child. 0.75

00:09:18.080 They also induce permanent physiological changes.

00:09:22.060 So the manner in which, for example, a boy will grow under the presence of a lot of estrogen is

00:09:29.740 going to radically change, and that can't be fixed later on in life.

00:09:33.940 You either get that in your adolescence or you don't get it.

00:09:37.180 So it's life-threatening, irreversible changes.

00:09:40.820 And I think if we just look at the sterilization issue alone, we should simply say, look, if you

00:09:45.700 can't drink, you can't smoke, you can't get a tattoo until you're 18 years old, you should

00:09:50.520 not be able to sterilize children until they're 18 years old.

00:09:53.400 Yeah.

00:09:55.400 That should make sense to absolutely anyone on either side.

00:10:00.760 But obviously, there is a massive, it's like a religion going on on the other side that 0.94

00:10:08.960 allows them to allow for this insanity to children, to harm children in this way.

00:10:14.920 What's been your experience?

00:10:16.300 I mean, these are people who are doing this, not only your former wife, but all sorts of

00:10:22.280 people who are doing this.

00:10:23.400 Somehow they've convinced themselves that this is good for children.

00:10:27.260 What's the process there?

00:10:28.380 Do you have any understanding of that?

00:10:31.640 Yeah, I've looked into this quite extensively.

00:10:37.360 So look, we have to first kind of look, I think, globally at this.

00:10:40.960 So let's think about how long it took them to convince America to go with gay marriage. 0.84

00:10:47.180 It took about 15 years.

00:10:49.200 They spent all of the 90s and into the early 2000s.

00:10:52.280 And it took them 15 years to get America on board with this.

00:10:55.480 And even then, you know, gay marriage was brought up for a vote in 48 out of 50 states and was

00:11:01.440 voted down in every single state it was brought up for.

00:11:04.140 It was voted down twice in California by a plurality of gay people. 0.54

00:11:07.400 Well, even gay people did not want gay marriage.

00:11:10.340 Eventually, they had to use the courts to impose it on us.

00:11:13.280 So it was not given to us in any democratic way whatsoever.

00:11:16.940 So when people talk to you about, well, we have to be better at arguments and win the

00:11:21.000 debate, I'm sorry, that's not true.

00:11:23.180 And we have to just accept that.

00:11:25.540 We won the debate on gay marriage and we got it anyway. 1.00

00:11:28.440 We won the democratic debate completely, hands down, with no failures, no defeats.

00:11:33.760 So they're imposing these things on us.

00:11:35.940 If we look at transgenderism, it only took them six years to do transgenderism.

00:11:41.520 So this is a rapidly increasing social power of the left.

00:11:47.660 And they're getting stronger at it.

00:11:49.440 They're getting better at it.

00:11:51.420 Let me tell you a couple of ways that this stuff happens.

00:11:54.580 One of the early struggles in what I call the identity, transgender identity movement,

00:12:00.960 they captured professional bodies, for example, the American Psychological Association, and

00:12:07.640 they went to great lengths to reclassify it from gender identity disorder to gender dysphoria.

00:12:14.520 And the difference is a disorder means there's something wrong with your thinking.

00:12:19.180 It's a cognitive disorder.

00:12:21.740 A dysphoria means it's a problem caused by a lack of acceptance in your wider culture. 0.85

00:12:26.720 So this shift in diagnostic criteria blamed the culture, traditional culture, for causing

00:12:33.160 these problems.

00:12:35.080 Now, this is very strange because how can there be a scientific process by which you can blame

00:12:41.740 a culture for causing psychological problems?

00:12:44.860 It's very strange.

00:12:45.980 It basically says that everything that is normal is abnormal.

00:12:49.600 So there are a number of these logical contradictions, and they've taken great care to propagandize

00:12:57.960 these.

00:12:58.820 Another mechanism they've used beyond the professional bodies is the left have figured

00:13:03.060 out a way to manufacture scientific facts.

00:13:06.380 It's a long process, but it basically goes like this.

00:13:10.600 They'll start an open source journal, and they'll invite like-minded academics to begin

00:13:15.980 to publish in this journal.

00:13:17.180 And what they typically do is pick a metanarrative to attack, particularly one that involves traditional

00:13:23.340 practices.

00:13:24.620 Let's say it's the transgender, the idea that men are men and women are women, and the idea 1.00

00:13:30.420 that gender is somehow connected with biology. 1.00

00:13:33.740 So they'll get like-minded academics, and they'll write all kinds of articles that will be quote-unquote

00:13:40.400 peer-reviewed by their friends in this open source journal.

00:13:43.260 And they'll develop a body of work and create a theory which critiques the metanarrative about

00:13:51.120 gender.

00:13:52.820 Later, they'll apply to one of the journals like Springer or Elsevier as a normal, respected

00:13:59.580 peer-reviewed journal, because they have a large body of work that's been peer-reviewed

00:14:02.960 by a collection of psychologists across the world.

00:14:05.920 And now they're an actual real journal.

00:14:08.840 And all of that research then takes on the imprimatur of actual science.

00:14:14.060 And what will happen then is that they go into the world, they go to the professional bodies,

00:14:18.460 and they insinuate these false ideas and these manufactured facts.

00:14:23.600 But they also do something really terrifying.

00:14:26.860 These experts will then go into courts and testify as experts.

00:14:30.600 And what they're trying to do now is to go into family court and testify in case after

00:14:36.540 case after case that children who are not affirmed as a gender different than their biological

00:14:43.400 sex are being abused.

00:14:45.460 And once that's been accepted in court enough times, it actually becomes law, becomes case

00:14:50.900 law.

00:14:51.920 And it becomes binding on courts after that.

00:14:54.960 And they're fully aware of that.

00:14:56.420 And they know that none, this may surprise you, but none of the right-wing foundations

00:15:00.980 will go into family court.

00:15:02.680 They're very well aware of that.

00:15:04.480 And so all of the left-wing money is going into family court these days.

00:15:07.600 That's exactly how the gay marriage case got up to the Supreme Court, out of family court. 0.63

00:15:12.540 The right-wing foundations won't go there.

00:15:14.800 So they're going into family court and they're making law.

00:15:17.920 They're literally making law there.

00:15:19.740 So that's another way that they observe power.

00:15:21.620 I think overall, if I give you a global eye view of it, it's that long ago, the left

00:15:27.420 figured out that democratic processes are not how power is exerted in our democracy anymore.

00:15:32.380 That actually it's the agencies, the unaccountable agencies in the governments, and it's professional

00:15:38.040 societies and non-governmental organizations that exert all the power in our society.

00:15:42.640 Amazing.

00:15:44.180 If you can tell us what needs to happen right now for basically sanity to reassert itself

00:15:53.020 and for families to be protected.

00:15:55.360 This is a big point.

00:16:03.120 You know, the...

00:16:05.420 Oh, gosh.

00:16:06.720 I mean, if you think about what Aristotle talked about, you know, that logical demonstrations

00:16:12.380 for some unknown reason seem to provoke skepticism in many people, whereas like the well-chosen

00:16:17.720 example seems to convince a lot of people.

00:16:19.740 Our opponents are experts of the well-chosen example, and they are the absolute epitome

00:16:28.220 of what Aristotle called the sophist.

00:16:31.020 They are making the weaker argument the stronger, and they are presenting falsehood as truth.

00:16:36.640 So first thing I think that we need to equip people with thinking tools to approach this

00:16:43.520 subject.

00:16:44.040 I mean, there are just some basic logical contradictions that are obvious to everyone.

00:16:47.800 If gender is a social construction, then how can it be also innate and immutable?

00:16:55.020 That doesn't make any sense.

00:16:57.300 If biological sex is irrelevant to gender, then why is it imperative to chemically castrate 0.92

00:17:03.560 kids and remove their sexual organs? 1.00

00:17:06.540 Okay?

00:17:07.500 If science is the basis of transgender ideology, then why are scientists who espouse a gender 0.99

00:17:13.440 critical view of transgenderism, why are they excluded from journals and government

00:17:17.520 grants?

00:17:18.860 If clinical medical practice is the basis of this ideology, then why are normal medical

00:17:24.440 safeguards to protect children from the experimental use of medications not being used on drugs like

00:17:30.600 Lupron and these cross-sex hormones?

00:17:32.440 They've never been applied to kids for these durations.

00:17:34.700 We don't know what's going to happen to these kids.

00:17:36.520 It's actually classed as an experimental use, and the FDA has specifically chosen not to regulate

00:17:42.700 it like they do every other experimental application of drugs to children.

00:17:47.880 Why is that?

00:17:48.660 If clinical experience is the basis of this, why aren't they following normal clinical protocols?

00:17:54.620 It seems like it inverts our normal ideas about biology, right?

00:17:58.880 So how can it be that gender being an idea that you have about yourself, how can that be something

00:18:06.340 that we can never ask someone to change?

00:18:09.560 But their physical bodies and their chromosomes, we're going to tell them you can change.

00:18:14.100 You can morph your body into a woman and all these things. 1.00

00:18:17.000 Clearly not true.

00:18:18.520 So we just need to like, first thing I need to just equip people with these basic thinking

00:18:22.220 tools.

00:18:22.600 Like, this is clearly absurd.

00:18:24.800 It's logically absurd just on its face.

00:18:28.120 But we also need to help people understand how it gets insinuated.

00:18:32.220 So I have a friend in Canada whose daughter was transitioned secretly without telling him 1.00

00:18:40.080 by a school counselor.

00:18:43.040 Now, I've had the same experience in Coppell, Texas.

00:18:46.540 The school counselor has taught my son that he's a girl and secretly tried to transition him.

00:18:51.000 When I took my son to school in boys' clothes, the teacher gave him a dress.

00:18:57.500 So people need to know that the schools are actively pushing this.

00:19:02.560 And if you have a tomboy, for example, a girl who's a tomboy, you have to be seriously, 0.98

00:19:07.560 seriously worried about sending your child to public school.

00:19:11.680 If you have a boy who's interested in music or art, you have to be seriously scared these

00:19:16.360 days, because if you look at the diagnostic criteria in the DSM-5, it uses all of the

00:19:23.840 stereotypes that the left has been telling us we're not allowed to use for male and female.

00:19:28.940 So if you've got a boy who likes to have tea parties and play with dolls, they're going

00:19:33.400 to diagnose him with gender dysphoria.

00:19:34.860 In case of my son, a one-hour appointment with a pediatrician diagnosed with gender dysphoria,

00:19:40.160 a 30-minute appointment with a psychologist diagnosed with gender dysphoria and referred

00:19:46.000 for, quote, unquote, the medical side of treatment to the Genesis Clinic in Dallas, Texas.

00:19:51.340 So a total of an hour and a half of professionals will give you on the road to chemical castration.

00:19:56.760 It's literally that quick.

00:19:58.400 If you look at the recent 60 Minutes interview, you had girls that were having total mastectomies 1.00

00:20:04.500 four months after they met with a psychologist.

00:20:06.100 So you have to, first of all, realize that all of the institutions that you trust are

00:20:11.760 probably against you at this point, and you need to safeguard your children.

00:20:15.920 And third, we need to make this a political issue.

00:20:20.140 This is an issue that we ought to all be able to agree on.

00:20:23.380 We need to wait until children have developed a rational faculty before we allow parents or

00:20:29.300 the child to permanently sterilize themselves or remove healthy body parts.

00:20:34.780 Yeah.

00:20:34.880 You'd think that would be just normal common sense, but today it's not.

00:20:40.620 Let's get into, if we could, if you're allowed to, or willing to, talk about your son and

00:20:47.580 about your children.

00:20:48.720 How are they doing?

00:20:50.200 I know many of our viewers are going to be praying for you, for your court case, but also

00:20:55.280 for your son, for James, and for his brother as well.

00:21:00.340 So if you're able to, tell us about your kids.

00:21:03.980 Yeah.

00:21:04.880 I mean, both of my boys are very happy, well-adjusted boys with me.

00:21:13.120 James is a very talented boxer.

00:21:16.380 It's his favorite sport.

00:21:19.220 He's so good that his boxing coach wants to get him in front of an Olympic talent scout

00:21:24.660 and wants to start his training now for the Olympics, but they're hesitant to do that because they

00:21:33.400 don't know what his mom's going to do and whether it could take him out, you know, take 0.96

00:21:36.820 him out of the, out of their training program.

00:21:39.000 So that's held us back.

00:21:41.340 James is also an artist and he has an interesting visual sensibility about him.

00:21:49.280 Jude is very, very verbal.

00:21:52.040 He's quite the opposite of his brother.

00:21:55.920 He's, whereas James is a stick and move boxer.

00:21:58.620 Jude is like a football lineman and wrestler.

00:22:00.640 Um, they have very different temperaments.

00:22:04.220 You know, I always tell this story, um, you know, when, when, when I boys, but my boys were

00:22:08.600 about, you know, just about two years old.

00:22:10.300 Um, I, I just could not understand the modern cartoons and the, and the ones I could understand

00:22:15.620 seem malicious.

00:22:16.900 So I went back and got cartoons from the 1960s.

00:22:19.760 And so I got like the Johnny quest cartoons that I loved when I was a kid.

00:22:22.940 And I got the DVDs.

00:22:23.940 We were watching at one time, we're watching this one called the invisible monster.

00:22:28.080 And this creature was chasing bandit, the Johnny quest dog.

00:22:33.380 And, uh, James was saying, look, the monster is going after bandit bandits running quick.

00:22:38.040 He's dodging and Jude was saying, bandit's scared and Johnny quest is worried.

00:22:43.740 So we had, I had one boy living the inner life of the characters and one boy living the

00:22:47.660 outer life of the characters.

00:22:48.980 And so that tells you a lot about them.

00:22:51.240 Jude, um, Jude has, uh, agape.

00:22:55.500 He has agape love.

00:22:56.480 He loves everybody.

00:22:57.360 He loves animals.

00:22:58.820 Uh, James is very outward focused and, and outcome focused.

00:23:03.620 Um, this crisis in their life though, has created all kinds of

00:23:07.960 difficulties for them.

00:23:09.640 Um, for example, with Jude, we had been out rabbit hunting, uh, and we came back in,

00:23:15.900 we were completely dirty.

00:23:17.100 So we all got in the shower and we were all washing up, joking with each other.

00:23:20.560 And Jude just points down at James's groin and says, I mean, he's not a girl dad.

00:23:26.900 And I said, I know he's not.

00:23:28.740 Um, and she's, he said, well, why, why does everybody say he's a girl?

00:23:32.620 And I said, well, you know, all I can tell you is we read the Bible every night to the

00:23:37.100 creation of man and woman.

00:23:38.640 You know, these people are just wrong about this.

00:23:41.480 Um, so he's struggling with when he should lie.

00:23:44.900 He knows the commandments tell him he's not supposed to lie.

00:23:47.880 But when he goes to his mother's house, he has to use female pronouns for his brother.

00:23:51.700 Uh, and he knows he's lying.

00:23:54.040 So he's struggling with when is he supposed to break the commandments?

00:23:57.060 It's really tragic.

00:23:58.160 And he, because of his personality, he, you know, he lives the inner life of people.

00:24:05.180 He, he thinks of, of Christ as a person with an inner life that cares about him.

00:24:11.440 And he, um, he wonders if, you know, how Jesus will think of them.

00:24:16.760 And, um, if he will lose respect for him for lying when he's at his mother's home, it's

00:24:22.480 just awful.

00:24:23.460 It's just tears.

00:24:24.180 I'm just tearing up.

00:24:25.040 It just tears me up.

00:24:26.440 Um, James is, is flat out scared of his mom and, uh, will not tell her the truth because

00:24:33.240 he's scared.

00:24:34.500 Um, and, uh, but when he comes to my house after a couple of days, he loosens up.

00:24:40.060 Um, we've also noticed some physical symptoms that are strange.

00:24:44.320 Um, we're going to have him drug tested and other things, but, um, uh, they are, they're

00:24:50.220 really having the full court pressed on it then by saying.

00:24:53.720 Yeah.

00:24:55.240 We will be praying for, for you, Jeff, and, and for your two sons, uh, pray that, uh, things

00:25:01.100 go well for you.

00:25:01.940 Um, you might be heading off into, uh, something where you might be arrested.

00:25:07.780 You know that, um, you're doing this nonetheless.

00:25:10.660 What's, what's your motivation there in terms of, uh, you know, your, your love for your

00:25:16.120 boys, uh, as well as, uh, what you're doing right now.

00:25:21.780 So I have decided that I am not going to follow any illegal order mandate or law that, uh, especially

00:25:30.900 if it endangers my sons, I have the right and duty.

00:25:34.180 I don't believe in the enlightenment concept of rights that are divorced from duties.

00:25:39.320 I prefer the, the scholastic and medieval idea of, uh, rights that are concomitant with

00:25:47.600 duties.

00:25:48.540 So when I have, when, when I talk about a right to free speech, I also have a duty to exercise

00:25:53.560 my free speech in a democracy and to participate in government to inform my citizens of what the

00:25:59.940 government is doing to children, what the courts are doing to children and to press the government

00:26:06.260 to change these laws.

00:26:07.640 And there's no way I am ever going to stop doing that.

00:26:10.980 And there is no legitimate government that can stop me from doing that.

00:26:15.280 The second thing is I have a right to free speech as a parent in order to exercise my parental

00:26:20.420 rights prudently, I have to be able to exercise, uh, uh, speech rights and rights of action over

00:26:29.740 my sons.

00:26:30.660 So it's not possible for me to set an example of a moral father and to, to handle their moral

00:26:38.260 education, uh, without, uh, without me, uh, following the moral law, which is higher than

00:26:46.620 the statutory law or the order of any, any illegal order from a judge.

00:26:50.420 Um, you know, I don't believe in leadership styles.

00:26:53.240 I've never believed in that concept.

00:26:54.820 There's exactly one leadership style.

00:26:56.960 And that is lead by example.

00:26:59.320 When my son wanted to box, I said I would box with him.

00:27:03.080 When my, when my son Jude said he wanted to wrestle, we joined jujitsu together, but we

00:27:08.120 lead by example.

00:27:09.440 That is the only way you can lead children.

00:27:12.460 They will do what you do.

00:27:13.820 They won't do what you say.

00:27:15.240 So if I don't stand up and do the right thing now, my sons will learn to be cowards.

00:27:20.420 And that is not going to happen.

00:27:24.120 And so there is no possible way in which I can follow this gag order, uh, and let other

00:27:29.560 children across this country suffer.

00:27:31.880 I'm going to use all of my powers to make these illegal, not only illegal, but socially

00:27:38.180 unacceptable, the morally reprehensible, and to cast this out of our culture altogether.

00:27:43.600 And I'm not going to rest until that happens.

00:27:46.580 Amen.

00:27:47.680 We're that we had more fathers like yourself, Jeff.

00:27:51.400 Uh, any parting words before we close off?

00:27:54.700 Well, I just, I want to thank everyone who's prayed for my sons.

00:27:58.580 Um, I named them after the brothers of Jesus and, uh, their saints are Cosmos and Damianos,

00:28:05.540 the unmercenary physicians from Syria and the prophet Daniel.

00:28:10.000 And if you would, uh, you know, ask those saints to intercede for my sons and to, and to pray

00:28:15.560 for them and protect them, that would be the greatest thing that you could possibly do for

00:28:19.860 me.

00:28:20.040 If you want to keep up to date on happenings in the case, you can go to the Save James,

00:28:25.580 uh, Facebook page.

00:28:26.820 I don't run it.

00:28:27.460 It's run by a network of volunteers.

00:28:29.600 Um, you just go on to Facebook and search for Save James and, um, they follow this issue

00:28:34.600 globally.

00:28:35.340 Um, it's probably the best place on the internet to keep up to date on all the resources and

00:28:40.280 news on this issue.

00:28:42.080 Awesome.

00:28:43.680 Jeff, thank you so much for being with us on this episode of the John Henry Weston show.

00:28:46.940 Thank you.

00:28:47.760 God bless you.

00:28:48.600 And you, and God bless all of you.

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Save James： Father risks arrest to save 9-year-old son from forced gender-transition

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