The John-Henry Westen Show - June 30, 2021


Save James: Father risks arrest to save 9-year-old son from forced gender-transition


Summary

Jeff Younger is fighting for his twin boys, Jude and James, to be reunited with their mother, Ann Jorgulas, who he claims is the biological mother of the boys. Jeff is fighting to gain full custody of both boys, but at least partial medical decision-making with his ex-wife.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 When James Younger was just three years old, he told his dad,
00:00:03.940 Mommy says I'm a girl.
00:00:05.820 When his mom enrolled James in kindergarten, she enrolled him as Luna.
00:00:10.400 James has been attending school as a girl since kindergarten,
00:00:13.800 despite telling his dad he is a boy, just like his twin brother Jude.
00:00:18.920 When James was about seven, medical records indicated
00:00:21.960 James had been referred to a gender therapist for medical chemical transition
00:00:29.200 at seven years old.
00:00:32.000 We are now going to speak with Jeff Younger, who is his dad,
00:00:35.600 who has heroically fought, trying to gain full custody of both his twin boys,
00:00:40.120 but at a minimum gain partial medical decision-making as Ann Jorgulas, his ex-wife.
00:00:48.920 At the time, she had full medical decision-making authority for both boys,
00:00:53.260 according to the court, and could have started James on chemical castration,
00:00:58.220 if you believe it.
00:00:59.200 Well, in 2019, this case caught national attention with Ted Cruz,
00:01:03.580 Texas Governor Greg Abbott, and even Donald Trump Jr.,
00:01:06.480 tweeting about the need for us to protect children like James
00:01:10.020 from a life-altering decision like chemical transitioning.
00:01:13.640 In October 2019, Judge Kim Cooks ruled that both Jeff and his ex-wife Ann
00:01:20.960 could have joint medical decision-making and work toward joint conservatorship.
00:01:25.640 Judge Cooks also put a complete gag order on Jeff prohibiting him from discussing any aspect
00:01:32.920 of the case and or his son's sexuality with others.
00:01:36.460 Jeff is actually now set to have a trial hearing this Friday in Dallas, where he could possibly go to jail for violating his gag order.
00:01:44.920 Ann's lawyers are also fighting to give Ann any money Jeff has raised for his cause
00:01:52.200 to shut down the Save James Facebook page, which is run by supporters of James.
00:01:57.980 Since October 2019, a lot has happened, and we're going to talk to Jeff about it.
00:02:02.660 So stay tuned.
00:02:23.540 Let's begin, as we always do, with the sign of the cross.
00:02:25.980 In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.
00:02:29.680 Amen.
00:02:31.160 Amen.
00:02:32.260 Jeff Younger, thank you for being with us.
00:02:35.080 And thank you for the heroic effort that you've taken in terms of defense of your own son,
00:02:41.880 but also of all parents who find themselves in these crazy situations.
00:02:47.460 If you could start off, Jeff, can you give us...
00:02:51.140 Well, thank you.
00:02:52.800 Go ahead.
00:02:53.320 I'm always a little ambivalent about that.
00:02:55.760 I'm just a dad protecting his son, and I don't honestly think that warrants much praise.
00:03:02.760 And I think it's what any father would do in my position who would love their children.
00:03:08.200 Well, Jeff, can you give our viewers a quick update on what's been going on?
00:03:12.460 Yeah, so in 2019, as you said, we had a trial.
00:03:19.440 And at that trial, the top experts in transgender medicine on both sides of this issue showed up
00:03:25.900 in a family court in Dallas, Texas.
00:03:28.720 And I had the men who founded the transgender medical field, men from the original John Hopkins
00:03:35.060 Clinic, and had trained with some of the original people.
00:03:38.800 And she had all of these new psychologists who are advocating this new gender ideology.
00:03:46.080 And one of the things that they testified to there was after a mere four years, they shut
00:03:51.960 down the clinic at Johns Hopkins because their data showed that these treatments harm patients.
00:03:56.920 They relearned that lesson in the early 90s, and they're just relearning it again now on
00:04:01.720 children.
00:04:02.060 In my case, I trained up an expert named Dr. Levine.
00:04:07.340 I paid a lot of money to bring him into court and train him how to deliver testimony in court.
00:04:13.280 He's the expert that went to the UK and got this practice banned in the UK courts.
00:04:19.700 So we made some global progress.
00:04:22.260 But unfortunately, the way the judge left the order with me is I had 50-50 parental rights.
00:04:29.040 So I was able to stop the chemical castration of my son.
00:04:32.660 I was supposed to get 50-50 possession time of my son after a counselor reviewed nine points
00:04:39.920 with me.
00:04:40.340 And these were just common sense things like unconditionally loving your children, recognizing
00:04:44.680 the signs of bullying, things like that.
00:04:47.320 The counselors have stretched this out now for a year and a half.
00:04:50.420 They have affirmed my son as a girl.
00:04:54.160 They have used female pronouns, used his fake girl's name, and have taught him that he's
00:04:59.440 a girl.
00:05:00.900 They have refused to see my son when he comes from my house because the significant thing
00:05:06.280 here is James only presents as a girl when he's with his mother.
00:05:10.880 With everybody else, he presents as a boy.
00:05:12.720 So they refuse to see him when he comes from my home.
00:05:16.700 And that's going to allow them to have biased testimony in the court and say, well, James
00:05:20.860 never presented as a boy to me.
00:05:23.220 And that's what they're trying to do.
00:05:24.980 So they've been trying to set this up for a year and a half.
00:05:27.120 So finally, when I found out they were affirming James as a girl, I revoked consent for the
00:05:32.240 court-appointed counselors to see my sons.
00:05:34.120 And then Ms. Georgilis filed a temporary orders suit to take away all of my parental rights
00:05:42.880 and give her sole medical and psychological decision-making.
00:05:46.240 And if she wins that, she will have my son in the Genesis Clinic, and he'll be on puberty
00:05:50.620 blockers and chemical castration drugs within the month.
00:05:56.260 I'm also being threatened with jail time.
00:05:59.880 They filed criminal contempt charges because I'm speaking to you right now.
00:06:03.020 You know, in a democracy, we have to participate with and inform our fellow citizens of what
00:06:09.860 the government is doing, and especially when we want to pass laws against.
00:06:14.140 So I've been very active in the last six months trying to pass a law here in the state of Texas.
00:06:19.260 We were not successful in getting Governor Abbott, Speaker of the House Dave Phelan, and Dan
00:06:26.340 Patrick, the Lieutenant Governor, to pass a law in this state protecting children from
00:06:30.780 chemical castration and sex change surgeries.
00:06:33.020 The Republicans here blocked it, blocked that law, and intentionally allowed children to
00:06:39.140 be sexually mutilated in this state.
00:06:41.280 But in order for me to pursue my right to change the laws, my Democratic right to petition
00:06:48.360 the government for redressing grievances, I have to be able to cooperate with my fellow
00:06:52.000 citizens.
00:06:52.520 And the judges have intentionally attempted to stop me from doing that by emplacing a hugely
00:06:59.760 broad gag order, which prohibits me from speaking on all manner of political topics, and I'm not
00:07:04.780 even allowed to tell you in that gag order whether my son's a boy or a girl.
00:07:07.920 It's so unbelievable that it defies description.
00:07:14.940 You know, you've become a veritable expert on the topic, going through this, living through
00:07:20.140 this kind of hell that you've been faced with.
00:07:23.500 You're a living testimony to parents to be extremely guarded with their children in what they're
00:07:32.340 exposed to and what, you know, damage it can cause.
00:07:37.060 A little bit for our listeners who might not know, the background on this process of chemical
00:07:44.020 castration on children, this is in parts irreversible, is it not?
00:07:50.340 Oh, yeah.
00:07:53.580 The other side always says it's reversible, and then when you put them on their sworn testimony,
00:07:58.680 they admit it's not.
00:08:00.660 What they do is, for example, in the medical records in my son, they intended at eight years
00:08:05.360 of age to put him on puberty blockers.
00:08:09.200 Puberty blockers block the normal growth of the skeleton.
00:08:13.980 That's one of the first major problems.
00:08:15.780 In the Scandinavian countries where they've been doing this longer, they're getting 20-year-olds
00:08:22.040 with a life-threatening osteoporosis because the skeletons didn't grow properly.
00:08:27.300 But all you have to really do is use simple logic, right?
00:08:30.600 Puberty is defined as a set of physical, psychological, and social changes that occur in a specific
00:08:37.160 order at a specific time in a child's development.
00:08:40.160 Once you've halted puberty, and then you start it up again 10 years later, by definition,
00:08:48.160 you've altered the sequence of events, and it's not recoverable.
00:08:51.180 And so there's physical damage that's done, there's psychological damage that's done, and
00:08:57.400 they'll never socially adjust properly because of that.
00:09:00.420 The other thing that they do is usually with boys around 10 to 11, they'll, after puberty
00:09:08.380 blockers, they'll continue the puberty blockers, but then introduce cross-sex hormones.
00:09:13.200 Now, cross-sex hormones, when they introduce them, permanently sterilize the child.
00:09:18.080 They also induce permanent physiological changes.
00:09:22.060 So the manner in which, for example, a boy will grow under the presence of a lot of estrogen is
00:09:29.740 going to radically change, and that can't be fixed later on in life.
00:09:33.940 You either get that in your adolescence or you don't get it.
00:09:37.180 So it's life-threatening, irreversible changes.
00:09:40.820 And I think if we just look at the sterilization issue alone, we should simply say, look, if you
00:09:45.700 can't drink, you can't smoke, you can't get a tattoo until you're 18 years old, you should
00:09:50.520 not be able to sterilize children until they're 18 years old.
00:09:53.400 Yeah.
00:09:55.400 That should make sense to absolutely anyone on either side.
00:10:00.760 But obviously, there is a massive, it's like a religion going on on the other side that
00:10:08.960 allows them to allow for this insanity to children, to harm children in this way.
00:10:14.920 What's been your experience?
00:10:16.300 I mean, these are people who are doing this, not only your former wife, but all sorts of
00:10:22.280 people who are doing this.
00:10:23.400 Somehow they've convinced themselves that this is good for children.
00:10:27.260 What's the process there?
00:10:28.380 Do you have any understanding of that?
00:10:31.640 Yeah, I've looked into this quite extensively.
00:10:37.360 So look, we have to first kind of look, I think, globally at this.
00:10:40.960 So let's think about how long it took them to convince America to go with gay marriage.
00:10:47.180 It took about 15 years.
00:10:49.200 They spent all of the 90s and into the early 2000s.
00:10:52.280 And it took them 15 years to get America on board with this.
00:10:55.480 And even then, you know, gay marriage was brought up for a vote in 48 out of 50 states and was
00:11:01.440 voted down in every single state it was brought up for.
00:11:04.140 It was voted down twice in California by a plurality of gay people.
00:11:07.400 Well, even gay people did not want gay marriage.
00:11:10.340 Eventually, they had to use the courts to impose it on us.
00:11:13.280 So it was not given to us in any democratic way whatsoever.
00:11:16.940 So when people talk to you about, well, we have to be better at arguments and win the
00:11:21.000 debate, I'm sorry, that's not true.
00:11:23.180 And we have to just accept that.
00:11:25.540 We won the debate on gay marriage and we got it anyway.
00:11:28.440 We won the democratic debate completely, hands down, with no failures, no defeats.
00:11:33.760 So they're imposing these things on us.
00:11:35.940 If we look at transgenderism, it only took them six years to do transgenderism.
00:11:41.520 So this is a rapidly increasing social power of the left.
00:11:47.660 And they're getting stronger at it.
00:11:49.440 They're getting better at it.
00:11:51.420 Let me tell you a couple of ways that this stuff happens.
00:11:54.580 One of the early struggles in what I call the identity, transgender identity movement,
00:12:00.960 they captured professional bodies, for example, the American Psychological Association, and
00:12:07.640 they went to great lengths to reclassify it from gender identity disorder to gender dysphoria.
00:12:14.520 And the difference is a disorder means there's something wrong with your thinking.
00:12:19.180 It's a cognitive disorder.
00:12:21.740 A dysphoria means it's a problem caused by a lack of acceptance in your wider culture.
00:12:26.720 So this shift in diagnostic criteria blamed the culture, traditional culture, for causing
00:12:33.160 these problems.
00:12:35.080 Now, this is very strange because how can there be a scientific process by which you can blame
00:12:41.740 a culture for causing psychological problems?
00:12:44.860 It's very strange.
00:12:45.980 It basically says that everything that is normal is abnormal.
00:12:49.600 So there are a number of these logical contradictions, and they've taken great care to propagandize
00:12:57.960 these.
00:12:58.820 Another mechanism they've used beyond the professional bodies is the left have figured
00:13:03.060 out a way to manufacture scientific facts.
00:13:06.380 It's a long process, but it basically goes like this.
00:13:10.600 They'll start an open source journal, and they'll invite like-minded academics to begin
00:13:15.980 to publish in this journal.
00:13:17.180 And what they typically do is pick a metanarrative to attack, particularly one that involves traditional
00:13:23.340 practices.
00:13:24.620 Let's say it's the transgender, the idea that men are men and women are women, and the idea
00:13:30.420 that gender is somehow connected with biology.
00:13:33.740 So they'll get like-minded academics, and they'll write all kinds of articles that will be quote-unquote
00:13:40.400 peer-reviewed by their friends in this open source journal.
00:13:43.260 And they'll develop a body of work and create a theory which critiques the metanarrative about
00:13:51.120 gender.
00:13:52.820 Later, they'll apply to one of the journals like Springer or Elsevier as a normal, respected
00:13:59.580 peer-reviewed journal, because they have a large body of work that's been peer-reviewed
00:14:02.960 by a collection of psychologists across the world.
00:14:05.920 And now they're an actual real journal.
00:14:08.840 And all of that research then takes on the imprimatur of actual science.
00:14:14.060 And what will happen then is that they go into the world, they go to the professional bodies,
00:14:18.460 and they insinuate these false ideas and these manufactured facts.
00:14:23.600 But they also do something really terrifying.
00:14:26.860 These experts will then go into courts and testify as experts.
00:14:30.600 And what they're trying to do now is to go into family court and testify in case after
00:14:36.540 case after case that children who are not affirmed as a gender different than their biological
00:14:43.400 sex are being abused.
00:14:45.460 And once that's been accepted in court enough times, it actually becomes law, becomes case
00:14:50.900 law.
00:14:51.920 And it becomes binding on courts after that.
00:14:54.960 And they're fully aware of that.
00:14:56.420 And they know that none, this may surprise you, but none of the right-wing foundations
00:15:00.980 will go into family court.
00:15:02.680 They're very well aware of that.
00:15:04.480 And so all of the left-wing money is going into family court these days.
00:15:07.600 That's exactly how the gay marriage case got up to the Supreme Court, out of family court.
00:15:12.540 The right-wing foundations won't go there.
00:15:14.800 So they're going into family court and they're making law.
00:15:17.920 They're literally making law there.
00:15:19.740 So that's another way that they observe power.
00:15:21.620 I think overall, if I give you a global eye view of it, it's that long ago, the left
00:15:27.420 figured out that democratic processes are not how power is exerted in our democracy anymore.
00:15:32.380 That actually it's the agencies, the unaccountable agencies in the governments, and it's professional
00:15:38.040 societies and non-governmental organizations that exert all the power in our society.
00:15:42.640 Amazing.
00:15:44.180 If you can tell us what needs to happen right now for basically sanity to reassert itself
00:15:53.020 and for families to be protected.
00:15:55.360 This is a big point.
00:16:03.120 You know, the...
00:16:05.420 Oh, gosh.
00:16:06.720 I mean, if you think about what Aristotle talked about, you know, that logical demonstrations
00:16:12.380 for some unknown reason seem to provoke skepticism in many people, whereas like the well-chosen
00:16:17.720 example seems to convince a lot of people.
00:16:19.740 Our opponents are experts of the well-chosen example, and they are the absolute epitome
00:16:28.220 of what Aristotle called the sophist.
00:16:31.020 They are making the weaker argument the stronger, and they are presenting falsehood as truth.
00:16:36.640 So first thing I think that we need to equip people with thinking tools to approach this
00:16:43.520 subject.
00:16:44.040 I mean, there are just some basic logical contradictions that are obvious to everyone.
00:16:47.800 If gender is a social construction, then how can it be also innate and immutable?
00:16:55.020 That doesn't make any sense.
00:16:57.300 If biological sex is irrelevant to gender, then why is it imperative to chemically castrate
00:17:03.560 kids and remove their sexual organs?
00:17:06.540 Okay?
00:17:07.500 If science is the basis of transgender ideology, then why are scientists who espouse a gender
00:17:13.440 critical view of transgenderism, why are they excluded from journals and government
00:17:17.520 grants?
00:17:18.860 If clinical medical practice is the basis of this ideology, then why are normal medical
00:17:24.440 safeguards to protect children from the experimental use of medications not being used on drugs like
00:17:30.600 Lupron and these cross-sex hormones?
00:17:32.440 They've never been applied to kids for these durations.
00:17:34.700 We don't know what's going to happen to these kids.
00:17:36.520 It's actually classed as an experimental use, and the FDA has specifically chosen not to regulate
00:17:42.700 it like they do every other experimental application of drugs to children.
00:17:47.880 Why is that?
00:17:48.660 If clinical experience is the basis of this, why aren't they following normal clinical protocols?
00:17:54.620 It seems like it inverts our normal ideas about biology, right?
00:17:58.880 So how can it be that gender being an idea that you have about yourself, how can that be something
00:18:06.340 that we can never ask someone to change?
00:18:09.560 But their physical bodies and their chromosomes, we're going to tell them you can change.
00:18:14.100 You can morph your body into a woman and all these things.
00:18:17.000 Clearly not true.
00:18:18.520 So we just need to like, first thing I need to just equip people with these basic thinking
00:18:22.220 tools.
00:18:22.600 Like, this is clearly absurd.
00:18:24.800 It's logically absurd just on its face.
00:18:28.120 But we also need to help people understand how it gets insinuated.
00:18:32.220 So I have a friend in Canada whose daughter was transitioned secretly without telling him
00:18:40.080 by a school counselor.
00:18:43.040 Now, I've had the same experience in Coppell, Texas.
00:18:46.540 The school counselor has taught my son that he's a girl and secretly tried to transition him.
00:18:51.000 When I took my son to school in boys' clothes, the teacher gave him a dress.
00:18:57.500 So people need to know that the schools are actively pushing this.
00:19:02.560 And if you have a tomboy, for example, a girl who's a tomboy, you have to be seriously,
00:19:07.560 seriously worried about sending your child to public school.
00:19:11.680 If you have a boy who's interested in music or art, you have to be seriously scared these
00:19:16.360 days, because if you look at the diagnostic criteria in the DSM-5, it uses all of the
00:19:23.840 stereotypes that the left has been telling us we're not allowed to use for male and female.
00:19:28.940 So if you've got a boy who likes to have tea parties and play with dolls, they're going
00:19:33.400 to diagnose him with gender dysphoria.
00:19:34.860 In case of my son, a one-hour appointment with a pediatrician diagnosed with gender dysphoria,
00:19:40.160 a 30-minute appointment with a psychologist diagnosed with gender dysphoria and referred
00:19:46.000 for, quote, unquote, the medical side of treatment to the Genesis Clinic in Dallas, Texas.
00:19:51.340 So a total of an hour and a half of professionals will give you on the road to chemical castration.
00:19:56.760 It's literally that quick.
00:19:58.400 If you look at the recent 60 Minutes interview, you had girls that were having total mastectomies
00:20:04.500 four months after they met with a psychologist.
00:20:06.100 So you have to, first of all, realize that all of the institutions that you trust are
00:20:11.760 probably against you at this point, and you need to safeguard your children.
00:20:15.920 And third, we need to make this a political issue.
00:20:20.140 This is an issue that we ought to all be able to agree on.
00:20:23.380 We need to wait until children have developed a rational faculty before we allow parents or
00:20:29.300 the child to permanently sterilize themselves or remove healthy body parts.
00:20:34.780 Yeah.
00:20:34.880 You'd think that would be just normal common sense, but today it's not.
00:20:40.620 Let's get into, if we could, if you're allowed to, or willing to, talk about your son and
00:20:47.580 about your children.
00:20:48.720 How are they doing?
00:20:50.200 I know many of our viewers are going to be praying for you, for your court case, but also
00:20:55.280 for your son, for James, and for his brother as well.
00:21:00.340 So if you're able to, tell us about your kids.
00:21:03.980 Yeah.
00:21:04.880 I mean, both of my boys are very happy, well-adjusted boys with me.
00:21:13.120 James is a very talented boxer.
00:21:16.380 It's his favorite sport.
00:21:19.220 He's so good that his boxing coach wants to get him in front of an Olympic talent scout
00:21:24.660 and wants to start his training now for the Olympics, but they're hesitant to do that because they
00:21:33.400 don't know what his mom's going to do and whether it could take him out, you know, take
00:21:36.820 him out of the, out of their training program.
00:21:39.000 So that's held us back.
00:21:41.340 James is also an artist and he has an interesting visual sensibility about him.
00:21:49.280 Jude is very, very verbal.
00:21:52.040 He's quite the opposite of his brother.
00:21:55.920 He's, whereas James is a stick and move boxer.
00:21:58.620 Jude is like a football lineman and wrestler.
00:22:00.640 Um, they have very different temperaments.
00:22:04.220 You know, I always tell this story, um, you know, when, when, when I boys, but my boys were
00:22:08.600 about, you know, just about two years old.
00:22:10.300 Um, I, I just could not understand the modern cartoons and the, and the ones I could understand
00:22:15.620 seem malicious.
00:22:16.900 So I went back and got cartoons from the 1960s.
00:22:19.760 And so I got like the Johnny quest cartoons that I loved when I was a kid.
00:22:22.940 And I got the DVDs.
00:22:23.940 We were watching at one time, we're watching this one called the invisible monster.
00:22:28.080 And this creature was chasing bandit, the Johnny quest dog.
00:22:33.380 And, uh, James was saying, look, the monster is going after bandit bandits running quick.
00:22:38.040 He's dodging and Jude was saying, bandit's scared and Johnny quest is worried.
00:22:43.740 So we had, I had one boy living the inner life of the characters and one boy living the
00:22:47.660 outer life of the characters.
00:22:48.980 And so that tells you a lot about them.
00:22:51.240 Jude, um, Jude has, uh, agape.
00:22:55.500 He has agape love.
00:22:56.480 He loves everybody.
00:22:57.360 He loves animals.
00:22:58.820 Uh, James is very outward focused and, and outcome focused.
00:23:03.620 Um, this crisis in their life though, has created all kinds of
00:23:07.960 difficulties for them.
00:23:09.640 Um, for example, with Jude, we had been out rabbit hunting, uh, and we came back in,
00:23:15.900 we were completely dirty.
00:23:17.100 So we all got in the shower and we were all washing up, joking with each other.
00:23:20.560 And Jude just points down at James's groin and says, I mean, he's not a girl dad.
00:23:26.900 And I said, I know he's not.
00:23:28.740 Um, and she's, he said, well, why, why does everybody say he's a girl?
00:23:32.620 And I said, well, you know, all I can tell you is we read the Bible every night to the
00:23:37.100 creation of man and woman.
00:23:38.640 You know, these people are just wrong about this.
00:23:41.480 Um, so he's struggling with when he should lie.
00:23:44.900 He knows the commandments tell him he's not supposed to lie.
00:23:47.880 But when he goes to his mother's house, he has to use female pronouns for his brother.
00:23:51.700 Uh, and he knows he's lying.
00:23:54.040 So he's struggling with when is he supposed to break the commandments?
00:23:57.060 It's really tragic.
00:23:58.160 And he, because of his personality, he, you know, he lives the inner life of people.
00:24:05.180 He, he thinks of, of Christ as a person with an inner life that cares about him.
00:24:11.440 And he, um, he wonders if, you know, how Jesus will think of them.
00:24:16.760 And, um, if he will lose respect for him for lying when he's at his mother's home, it's
00:24:22.480 just awful.
00:24:23.460 It's just tears.
00:24:24.180 I'm just tearing up.
00:24:25.040 It just tears me up.
00:24:26.440 Um, James is, is flat out scared of his mom and, uh, will not tell her the truth because
00:24:33.240 he's scared.
00:24:34.500 Um, and, uh, but when he comes to my house after a couple of days, he loosens up.
00:24:40.060 Um, we've also noticed some physical symptoms that are strange.
00:24:44.320 Um, we're going to have him drug tested and other things, but, um, uh, they are, they're
00:24:50.220 really having the full court pressed on it then by saying.
00:24:53.720 Yeah.
00:24:55.240 We will be praying for, for you, Jeff, and, and for your two sons, uh, pray that, uh, things
00:25:01.100 go well for you.
00:25:01.940 Um, you might be heading off into, uh, something where you might be arrested.
00:25:07.780 You know that, um, you're doing this nonetheless.
00:25:10.660 What's, what's your motivation there in terms of, uh, you know, your, your love for your
00:25:16.120 boys, uh, as well as, uh, what you're doing right now.
00:25:21.780 So I have decided that I am not going to follow any illegal order mandate or law that, uh, especially
00:25:30.900 if it endangers my sons, I have the right and duty.
00:25:34.180 I don't believe in the enlightenment concept of rights that are divorced from duties.
00:25:39.320 I prefer the, the scholastic and medieval idea of, uh, rights that are concomitant with
00:25:47.600 duties.
00:25:48.540 So when I have, when, when I talk about a right to free speech, I also have a duty to exercise
00:25:53.560 my free speech in a democracy and to participate in government to inform my citizens of what the
00:25:59.940 government is doing to children, what the courts are doing to children and to press the government
00:26:06.260 to change these laws.
00:26:07.640 And there's no way I am ever going to stop doing that.
00:26:10.980 And there is no legitimate government that can stop me from doing that.
00:26:15.280 The second thing is I have a right to free speech as a parent in order to exercise my parental
00:26:20.420 rights prudently, I have to be able to exercise, uh, uh, speech rights and rights of action over
00:26:29.740 my sons.
00:26:30.660 So it's not possible for me to set an example of a moral father and to, to handle their moral
00:26:38.260 education, uh, without, uh, without me, uh, following the moral law, which is higher than
00:26:46.620 the statutory law or the order of any, any illegal order from a judge.
00:26:50.420 Um, you know, I don't believe in leadership styles.
00:26:53.240 I've never believed in that concept.
00:26:54.820 There's exactly one leadership style.
00:26:56.960 And that is lead by example.
00:26:59.320 When my son wanted to box, I said I would box with him.
00:27:03.080 When my, when my son Jude said he wanted to wrestle, we joined jujitsu together, but we
00:27:08.120 lead by example.
00:27:09.440 That is the only way you can lead children.
00:27:12.460 They will do what you do.
00:27:13.820 They won't do what you say.
00:27:15.240 So if I don't stand up and do the right thing now, my sons will learn to be cowards.
00:27:20.420 And that is not going to happen.
00:27:24.120 And so there is no possible way in which I can follow this gag order, uh, and let other
00:27:29.560 children across this country suffer.
00:27:31.880 I'm going to use all of my powers to make these illegal, not only illegal, but socially
00:27:38.180 unacceptable, the morally reprehensible, and to cast this out of our culture altogether.
00:27:43.600 And I'm not going to rest until that happens.
00:27:46.580 Amen.
00:27:47.680 We're that we had more fathers like yourself, Jeff.
00:27:51.400 Uh, any parting words before we close off?
00:27:54.700 Well, I just, I want to thank everyone who's prayed for my sons.
00:27:58.580 Um, I named them after the brothers of Jesus and, uh, their saints are Cosmos and Damianos,
00:28:05.540 the unmercenary physicians from Syria and the prophet Daniel.
00:28:10.000 And if you would, uh, you know, ask those saints to intercede for my sons and to, and to pray
00:28:15.560 for them and protect them, that would be the greatest thing that you could possibly do for
00:28:19.860 me.
00:28:20.040 If you want to keep up to date on happenings in the case, you can go to the Save James,
00:28:25.580 uh, Facebook page.
00:28:26.820 I don't run it.
00:28:27.460 It's run by a network of volunteers.
00:28:29.600 Um, you just go on to Facebook and search for Save James and, um, they follow this issue
00:28:34.600 globally.
00:28:35.340 Um, it's probably the best place on the internet to keep up to date on all the resources and
00:28:40.280 news on this issue.
00:28:42.080 Awesome.
00:28:43.680 Jeff, thank you so much for being with us on this episode of the John Henry Weston show.
00:28:46.940 Thank you.
00:28:47.760 God bless you.
00:28:48.600 And you, and God bless all of you.
00:28:51.920 We'll see you next time.
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