The John-Henry Westen Show - Solutions To The ‘Woke’ Agenda ｜ Internationally Acclaimed Podcaster Jonathon Van Maren

00:00:00.000 Let me know whenever you're ready.

00:00:07.060 Jonathan Van Maren, welcome to the program.

00:00:09.620 So good to be here.

00:00:11.200 Let's begin as we always do, with the sign of the cross.

00:00:13.700 In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.

00:00:18.100 Amen.

00:00:19.880 So Jonathan, you have to write about, at LifeSite, sometimes some of the most uncomfortable topics.

00:00:25.400 You do that with great grace, and a lot of courage, and even a lot of fun.

00:00:30.720 So thank you for that.

00:00:32.140 And you've experienced a lot of what people go through as we report on trying to make sane presentations,

00:00:41.580 and being booed and cajoled out of places.

00:00:44.720 You do a lot of that yourself.

00:00:47.580 Just for those of you who might not know, Jonathan is a very frequent contributor to LifeSite News.

00:00:53.660 He also runs the Van Maren podcast at LifeSite News.

00:00:56.260 So if you don't know that, please go check it out.

00:00:58.180 But why don't you start with that, Jonathan?

00:01:00.400 Tell us a little bit about the presentations that you make at schools, and some of the pushback that you've received.

00:01:07.260 Yeah, it's interesting.

00:01:08.780 It's hard to know which topic to start with.

00:01:10.720 Because as you noted, for LifeSite, I write about a lot of the key cultural issues.

00:01:15.460 But especially the issues where the clashes are the loudest and the haughtest.

00:01:21.240 With regards to the presentations, I do two kinds of presentations.

00:01:24.800 I work full-time for a pro-life organization.

00:01:27.400 My entry into the writing was actually the pro-life movement, similar to how many of the people at LifeSite actually got involved originally in writing.

00:01:35.220 And of course, in Canada, you can't say anything in opposition to abortion without attracting loud and angry protests,

00:01:41.860 especially at the universities.

00:01:44.500 And I think one of the things people don't realize about the pro-life movement here in Canada is that the opposition of the pro-life movement is frequently violent.

00:01:53.540 I've covered that for LifeSite.

00:01:55.220 I think it was LifeSite who broke the story of the man who roundhouse kicked Mary Claire Bissonette at LifeChain one year.

00:02:03.600 What many people might not know is that fellow, a man named Jordan Hunt, also assaulted some of my female colleagues a few months previous to that.

00:02:11.820 And so when you stand up for life in the Canadian context, you have to assume that you're going to get some pushback.

00:02:17.620 And then the other presentations I give at schools, which are simultaneously more rewarding and sometimes more depressing, are presentations on pornography.

00:02:27.600 Because what we've seen in our culture, especially since COVID, when everybody was staying at home,

00:02:34.420 is that porn addiction has gone from something that's an enormous problem to something that's poisoning the hearts and minds of a majority of young people,

00:02:42.620 even inside the churches. At the height of COVID, when everybody was being forced to stay at home,

00:02:49.080 we saw Pornhub getting more hits than Google and Facebook combined.

00:02:53.520 They were getting trillions of hits every month.

00:02:57.100 And so we've begun the long process of trying to reach out to young people to address the problem

00:03:01.960 and to try and give them the assistance they need to break the addiction to what I think is probably the most poisonous toxin available online in a host of options.

00:03:11.240 Indeed it is. In fact, that stat, that understanding, if you think about what Jonathan just said there,

00:03:19.540 more hits than Google and Facebook combined, that's just unreal.

00:03:24.440 And if you remember, not you, Jonathan, but I think our viewers would remember very well about Our Lady Fatima

00:03:31.440 told the three little children, more souls go to hell because of sins of the flesh than for any other reason.

00:03:38.120 And a lot of people wonder, oh, are the times we're living in today so bad, really?

00:03:42.160 Or are they, you know, what are they?

00:03:44.800 Oh, we're, David, we're having a massive delay.

00:03:51.580 Oh, are you hearing the delay on your end?

00:03:55.300 Jonathan?

00:03:55.740 You delayed me for a minute and it suddenly caught up.

00:03:58.280 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. So he's hearing that as well.

00:04:01.440 Okay, wait, okay. All right, let me just start. I think he heard your reply just fine, so I'll start again.

00:04:13.160 What Jonathan said there is so important because to realize that it's trillions of hits on this one pornography station channel,

00:04:23.140 whatever you want to call it, and it so outweighs things that Google and Facebook together don't even have that kind of traffic.

00:04:28.840 It does go to show where we are in the world today.

00:04:34.060 Do you remember Our Lady of Fatima said to the three children in 1917

00:04:37.340 that more souls go to hell because of sins of the flesh than for any other reason?

00:04:42.700 It's stunning because people wonder, oh, are the times now worse than they were back then?

00:04:46.460 No, there was really bad times back then.

00:04:48.640 It's not even as bad now.

00:04:50.420 Actually, if you think about what Jonathan just said, the numbers of people who are now addicted to porn.

00:04:57.920 In fact, there's more people today regularly viewing porn than there were people alive back in 1917.

00:05:03.800 We're in perilous times.

00:05:05.360 I get very frustrated when people say things aren't any worse because it's not just something people say to comfort themselves

00:05:13.520 about all the evils going on as sort of an excuse not to do anything.

00:05:17.460 But I think also, especially for anybody who's got kids or grandkids, it's ignoring a threat that can destroy the souls of your children.

00:05:25.540 And you're precisely right, while it's true that pornography has always existed,

00:05:30.180 the things that kids are getting hooked on now between the ages of 5 and 10

00:05:33.640 are not the sorts of things that were scratched onto the wall at Pompeii.

00:05:37.660 And these things are things that, quite frankly, my dad couldn't have gotten his hands on

00:05:41.960 and my grandparents, in many cases, couldn't imagine.

00:05:44.760 So the scale of the evil and the accessibility of the evil that we're facing right now

00:05:50.540 is unprecedented in recorded human history.

00:05:53.100 And I actually believe that the omni-presence of pornography now in Western culture

00:05:58.600 is contributing to a lot of the other issues that you discuss on the show,

00:06:03.320 that we discuss as columnists at LifeSite,

00:06:06.220 and also that anybody, culturally speaking, is talking about,

00:06:10.360 I don't think you can understand the LGBT movement. 1.00

00:06:13.220 You can't understand the sexual revolution.

00:06:15.560 You can't understand the degradation of entertainment

00:06:17.780 without understanding the extent to which porn has conquered our culture.

00:06:21.640 A pornography may not be the worst problem, but it makes every other problem worse.

00:06:26.380 You know, I had a conversation the other day here with my studio manager, David,

00:06:31.260 and he was mentioning three items that really drive the destruction of our culture today.

00:06:39.200 Fear that we saw so evidently with the whole COVID nonsense,

00:06:43.460 and then confusion and lust.

00:06:46.440 And they all sort of work together and perpetuate one another.

00:06:49.420 It's just unreal.

00:06:50.500 So that such that the human mind seems to be gone.

00:06:53.020 We can't even understand ourselves anymore because of this delusion we're all under,

00:06:58.580 and it's fueled also by lust.

00:07:01.720 It's so interesting that you mentioned those three,

00:07:04.620 because to such a large extent, I think that Christians still haven't fully understood 0.99

00:07:08.580 the impact of the digital era and the extent to which the internet,

00:07:14.080 this thing that we're chatting on right now,

00:07:15.960 but this thing that in a handful of years has invaded every aspect of our lives,

00:07:20.260 has transformed the way we communicate, the way that we think,

00:07:24.040 and the extent to which big corporations are essentially making millions of dollars,

00:07:28.520 billions of dollars, getting us addicted to fear and lust and rage,

00:07:33.760 and setting us at variance with each other.

00:07:36.820 And we don't even fully understand how these things work yet.

00:07:40.820 You remember, of course, an era where the internet didn't dominate all of life.

00:07:44.700 My generation kind of straddles the digital age and the previous age,

00:07:49.920 because I couldn't get a smartphone until well after I graduated high school.

00:07:53.960 So my childhood would have more resembled yours than it would a kid today.

00:07:59.460 But the extent to which these tools have actually shaped us rather than we've shaped them,

00:08:05.740 and then to understand that the creators of the tools and the messages being sent through them

00:08:09.740 are deeply corrupt, I think, is important to understand the contours of the postmodern context

00:08:15.280 and the post-Christian context.

00:08:18.000 Indeed.

00:08:18.840 One of the things you write about a lot that is really endemic of where we are as a culture right now

00:08:24.680 is the whole transgender phenomenon that's just going crazy. 1.00

00:08:30.140 Give us a snapshot, if you will, of where we are today on that score,

00:08:34.580 so people can just tell where we are as a culture.

00:08:37.980 Well, let me give you a snapshot of where we are today, and then we'll work back a little bit.

00:08:44.000 To give you an idea of how far we've moved and how fast we've moved,

00:08:49.240 we are now seeing headlines in every Western country that I think even 10 years ago

00:08:54.000 we wouldn't have been able to fathom.

00:08:56.020 And a good microcosmic example of this would be a tweet that was sent out by the Windsor Police Service

00:09:01.340 a couple of weeks back. 0.79

00:09:03.240 And it was a picture of this sort of ugly-looking, very obviously male criminal.

00:09:09.000 But the pronouns that were being used were she pronouns, her pronouns, 0.97

00:09:13.140 because this woman had sexually assaulted a woman in a rape crisis centre

00:09:19.460 where the vulnerable victim had gone to get help or to get safety.

00:09:24.160 But instead, because a man identifying as a woman was allowed into the centre,

00:09:29.280 and in fact the centre was legally obligated to permit this man to come in,

00:09:33.280 she was instead re-victimised. 0.98

00:09:35.780 That is not a standalone incident, because it's important here for listeners and watchers to understand

00:09:42.020 that one of the things the LGBT movement does to incessantly gaslight us 1.00

00:09:46.300 is to insist when we provide an example of the threat this movement poses to our society

00:09:51.580 of accusing us to cherry-pick in order to demonize.

00:09:55.260 And sometimes I struggle when I'm writing the columns for my site,

00:09:58.560 one of the editors will say,

00:10:00.240 you need to cover the story, and I'll have to read the details closely,

00:10:04.140 because sometimes it doesn't seem to differ a lot from a story I wrote about the previous month.

00:10:08.140 And that's because these things are happening so often,

00:10:11.000 but the reason it's important to cover all of these stories is to establish to the audience

00:10:15.560 that you're not insane, you are being gaslit, there is a pattern here,

00:10:20.340 it's a pattern that's provable, and then once you recognise that pattern,

00:10:24.520 you realise the extent to which we're being lied to by virtually every gatekeeper.

00:10:29.880 And so where we are now in 2023 is an era in Canada,

00:10:35.440 in parts of the United States, in most of the Western world,

00:10:38.200 in which a biological man identifying as a woman

00:10:41.640 is not only legally considered to literally be a woman,

00:10:45.900 but if he claims to be a woman, will be locked up with females,

00:10:49.980 or more accurately, females locked into prison will be locked behind bars 1.00

00:10:54.540 with a man who is most often a violent criminal.

00:10:58.140 We are seeing children claiming, because of social contagion,

00:11:03.020 because of propaganda they've been exposed to,

00:11:05.380 because of public indoctrination in state schools,

00:11:07.660 that they are either the opposite gender or any number of genders in between.

00:11:13.080 There are more than 80 of them now, all total.

00:11:15.480 They rise probably as we speak.

00:11:17.860 But horrifyingly, those children are being introduced

00:11:20.680 to what is now called gender affirmation surgery.

00:11:24.520 When I started writing about this for LifeSide,

00:11:26.600 it was called sex change surgery.

00:11:28.580 The terminology is changing to hem in the parameters of the debate,

00:11:32.840 to herd us towards specific conclusions.

00:11:35.520 Those children are already hitting the ages of 16 and 17

00:11:40.740 and revealing the extent to which they've been physically and psychologically destroyed

00:11:44.660 by these alleged treatments, by these cross-sex hormones,

00:11:48.640 by these puberty blockers.

00:11:50.620 And for the Canadian listeners, what I think is so disturbing

00:11:54.200 is that we're the only country not having an open discussion about what's going on.

00:11:59.580 So in the United States, you know, blue states, red states,

00:12:03.260 there's these fierce debates about whether transgender health care is health care

00:12:07.460 or whether, in fact, it's systematic mutilation of genders for children. 0.83

00:12:12.760 In the UK, they're debating whether or not these clinics

00:12:15.440 should be permitted to engage in these alleged treatments.

00:12:19.180 Finland, Sweden, the Scandinavian countries

00:12:21.660 are actually passing legislation or changing medical protocols

00:12:25.780 to stop doing these things to kids.

00:12:28.460 Here in Canada, of course, our prime minister is full steam ahead

00:12:32.300 on every aspect of this agenda.

00:12:34.320 But what's even more disturbing is that aside from a handful

00:12:37.080 of sort of dissident countercultural outlets,

00:12:40.520 the post-millennial, although I still think they're weak on the pronouns,

00:12:44.280 the rebel, LifeSide, there's almost nobody else

00:12:47.220 that's willing to tackle the issue.

00:12:50.000 National Post was considered our right of center publication

00:12:52.920 before they went libertarian, but even they will post a picture

00:12:56.480 of, again, some, you know, great bruiser of a man

00:12:59.000 and obediently use the she, her pronouns.

00:13:02.480 And if you use the she, her pronouns,

00:13:04.580 you've seen the entire premises of the debate,

00:13:06.920 because if you admit that that guy is a woman, 0.97

00:13:09.520 then what possible reason do you have to keep that woman

00:13:13.980 out of the change room or out of a bad woman's shelter

00:13:16.880 or out of a female prison? 0.99

00:13:18.680 If you cave on pronouns, you cave on premises,

00:13:20.840 and you end up where we are now.

00:13:23.640 One of the biggest debates in this whole area

00:13:25.860 has been over in and in the sports world.

00:13:29.200 I know you've written a lot about that.

00:13:31.040 What's the latest there?

00:13:33.340 Well, what's interesting about the sports world

00:13:35.680 is that that's honestly where you're getting the most pushback.

00:13:38.440 And I'm not, I am aggressively disinterested

00:13:41.280 in professional sports and always have been.

00:13:43.520 And so I'm actually getting sort of a crash course

00:13:45.460 on professional sports just because it's become

00:13:47.980 this tempest in a teapot with a transgender issue. 0.95

00:13:50.900 So you've got three things happening simultaneously

00:13:53.740 that are very interesting.

00:13:55.540 First, you have an enormous number of people

00:13:58.060 who are opposing referring to men who identify as women

00:14:02.360 as women because they recognize that this ruins the sport.

00:14:06.000 But yet they still want to say this is a transgender woman,

00:14:10.080 but they shouldn't be able to participate.

00:14:12.160 And they're starting to recognize that that halfway position

00:14:14.980 doesn't do any good because, again, if you see the premises,

00:14:18.820 you're finished.

00:14:20.000 If that's a woman, then you can't actually borrow that woman 1.00

00:14:23.380 from playing these sports.

00:14:24.780 And you're getting a lot of backlash.

00:14:26.880 But now, finally, for the first time in a couple of years,

00:14:29.500 you're actually having young women come forward

00:14:31.680 and explain that this is something that is discrimination.

00:14:35.680 They have practiced for years and they're getting destroyed

00:14:37.980 in these contexts because mediocre men are competing

00:14:42.000 against women and destroying them due to physiological 1.00

00:14:44.560 and physical differences that can't be controlled.

00:14:48.040 And so that's been really encouraging to see.

00:14:50.520 The strangest little culture war incident that I wrote about 0.81

00:14:54.120 for this site is the fact that the NHL is actually reconsidering

00:15:00.640 their pride night and their pride jerseys, their rainbow jerseys,

00:15:05.400 because first this one Orthodox player comes forward and says,

00:15:09.580 I'm not going to do that.

00:15:10.420 When they asked him why, he says, I don't really need to explain.

00:15:12.900 This is my faith.

00:15:13.580 I'm not going to do that.

00:15:14.840 Then you had players from Minnesota Wild doing the same thing.

00:15:18.520 And then a couple of other players, a Christian goalie,

00:15:21.560 then other team members are all stepping forward.

00:15:23.960 And suddenly the NHL is saying, we're going to have to reconsider this.

00:15:27.040 And you've got sports commentators melting down

00:15:29.600 about how disgusting this is.

00:15:32.440 And the things that you need to notice here are twofold.

00:15:35.020 One, consider how totalitarian you have to be

00:15:38.500 to think that somebody should get fired or fined

00:15:41.360 for not physically wearing the flag of your preferred ideology

00:15:45.360 on their physical person, right?

00:15:47.740 It's just wild to consider the level of entitlement

00:15:50.520 that these people have.

00:15:51.860 The second thing that's important to note about the NHL story,

00:15:55.240 and as somebody who doesn't even like professional sports,

00:15:58.820 this is very weird for me to say,

00:16:01.040 one guy started this whole thing.

00:16:03.400 Like one Russian Orthodox player who was like,

00:16:06.320 not going to do it, not going to wear the jersey,

00:16:08.760 not going to fight about it, just not going to play your game.

00:16:11.960 That is what triggered this whole chain reaction

00:16:14.680 that now may well end up seeing the NHL

00:16:17.880 abandoning Pride Nights altogether.

00:16:20.320 And so we're going to talk about a lot of depressing stuff

00:16:22.740 here in the next bit.

00:16:23.600 So one of the things listeners need to understand

00:16:25.860 is that I believe the way forward

00:16:28.400 is very small acts of courage consistently performed

00:16:32.560 by ordinary people, right?

00:16:35.300 Most people watching will often think,

00:16:38.460 well, what can I do, right?

00:16:39.460 I'm not a podcaster or a columnist

00:16:41.340 or a pro-life activist or any kind of activist.

00:16:43.940 What can I do?

00:16:45.180 The reason that the transgender movement 1.00

00:16:47.360 has conquered our society

00:16:48.740 is because ordinary people have played along

00:16:50.980 because they just don't want the fight.

00:16:52.940 They've gone along to get along.

00:16:54.500 And so now when you end up being asked

00:16:57.820 to apply your pronouns on your email, you do it.

00:17:01.440 When you're asked to offer your pronouns on your name tag,

00:17:04.520 people just do it.

00:17:06.440 Bit by bit, it's all these little small things

00:17:09.080 where people are like, okay, fine, right?

00:17:10.940 You might get a Christian player who's like,

00:17:12.240 okay, it's Pride Night. 1.00

00:17:13.320 I'll wear the stupid jersey. 1.00

00:17:15.040 It doesn't really matter. 1.00

00:17:16.500 I'm not supporting it.

00:17:17.900 I'm just, you know, trying to stand up for tolerance.

00:17:20.580 One guy says no,

00:17:21.900 and suddenly you see this chain reaction.

00:17:24.920 And I've thought now, ever since he did that,

00:17:28.540 if ordinary guys like him can do this,

00:17:32.060 then everybody listening is going to encounter

00:17:34.500 in the next couple of years a scenario

00:17:36.200 in which they'll have a choice.

00:17:38.380 They can just roll with it

00:17:39.780 because it's not worth the fight,

00:17:41.640 or they can take what might seem like a small stand

00:17:44.520 with large consequences.

00:17:46.920 And I think we need to start considering

00:17:48.600 what our hill to die on is

00:17:50.560 because the thing about hills to die on

00:17:53.100 is that the closer they get,

00:17:54.240 the more they look like a hill to stay alive on.

00:17:57.140 And surrender is habit-forming.

00:17:59.040 And that's how the sexual revolutionaries win 1.00

00:18:01.160 and are winning.

00:18:02.360 But I still think that it's possible

00:18:03.660 to stop the transgender juggernaut. 1.00

00:18:06.920 Wow. 0.96

00:18:07.720 And coming from Canada, 0.84

00:18:09.460 that's a big thing to say.

00:18:11.700 Canada is a very unique place.

00:18:13.260 While you were mentioning in the States

00:18:14.840 that they have some states actually fighting

00:18:16.480 and passing legislation to stop the trans agenda,

00:18:19.940 which is just incredible,

00:18:21.020 which we just don't see any of here.

00:18:23.200 But in Canada,

00:18:24.920 our conservatives are so weird.

00:18:26.940 I want to play a clip and get your reaction to it.

00:18:29.200 These are conservative male politicians

00:18:31.080 saying that they're supporting women.

00:18:34.300 By doing what?

00:18:35.320 Well, they're prancing around in high heels. 1.00

00:18:38.380 Let's watch this.

00:18:40.720 Now, Jonathan, you've seen this, right?

00:18:42.900 Yeah.

00:18:43.500 Okay.

00:18:44.020 I didn't know they were conservatives.

00:18:45.780 Yeah.

00:18:47.080 So, Jonathan, if you can give us your take on that.

00:18:50.760 So the difficulty...

00:18:52.220 So here is, I think, the tragedy of Canada

00:18:55.920 is that if you look at all of the available public data we have,

00:19:00.040 the majority of people on the issues we're discussing

00:19:02.560 are more closely aligned to you and I

00:19:04.700 than to Justin Trudeau and his government.

00:19:07.380 But there's a couple of key things that are missing.

00:19:10.100 First and foremost, the Catholic community,

00:19:13.180 the Orthodox Protestant community,

00:19:14.960 more traditionally-minded immigrant groups

00:19:17.340 who haven't gone insane,

00:19:18.780 don't even understand the concept of gender ideology yet.

00:19:22.120 There is no coalition or real relationship

00:19:24.840 between all of these groups together.

00:19:27.220 We caught a glimpse of what it might look like

00:19:29.140 during the Canada Summer Jobs incident

00:19:31.360 where Trudeau initially said that every group

00:19:34.820 applying for funding in the Canada Summer Jobs program

00:19:37.940 would have to proactively endorse LGBT ideology and abortion.

00:19:41.400 And suddenly I was at the same meetings as rabbis and imams

00:19:45.380 and temple leaders from the Sikh and Hindu community.

00:19:48.560 And I think the liberals got a glimpse, too,

00:19:50.960 of what diversity in Canada actually means,

00:19:53.820 which is that the majority of religious groups

00:19:55.820 dislike all this stuff.

00:19:57.940 But I met with it with a conservative politician

00:20:00.000 earlier this month, and I asked,

00:20:01.640 you see the same things that I do.

00:20:04.060 You're looking for the same polling data.

00:20:05.620 I get that politicians are politicians,

00:20:07.780 and that you don't want to be hammering on the Overton window.

00:20:10.560 That's my job as a pro-life activist.

00:20:12.780 But why won't you stake out a position

00:20:14.440 where the Canadian public already is?

00:20:17.360 The majority of Canadians are not supportive

00:20:19.860 of sex changes for children, for example.

00:20:22.360 Interestingly enough, a CTV released polling

00:20:24.480 a couple of years ago

00:20:25.420 that indicated the vast majority

00:20:27.280 of non-white Canadians

00:20:29.140 are still against the redefinition of marriage.

00:20:32.120 And so, you know, post-Christian white Canadians 0.94

00:20:34.860 have moved on from that debate.

00:20:36.620 Most of these Canadians 0.96

00:20:37.520 still hold to the traditional views.

00:20:39.640 And basically his answer to me was

00:20:41.100 that this is cowardice.

00:20:42.920 And the reality of Canada

00:20:44.680 is that unlike the U.S.,

00:20:45.980 we simply don't have any political representation.

00:20:48.920 There are some notable exceptions.

00:20:50.480 You and I could probably name all of them

00:20:52.080 if you gave us less than a minute.

00:20:54.040 We really appreciate those people.

00:20:56.200 We pray for those people.

00:20:57.060 We're grateful to have them

00:20:58.260 and we're grateful to have their voice.

00:21:00.100 But they're a tiny minority.

00:21:02.140 And this goes back to my question

00:21:04.340 of cowardice versus courage.

00:21:06.780 Most, I would argue, almost everyone,

00:21:09.840 except for a handful of conservative politicians

00:21:11.920 in this country,

00:21:13.460 would tell you or I in private

00:21:15.060 that they think all this gender ideology stuff

00:21:17.340 is nonsense.

00:21:18.260 But in public, 0.97

00:21:19.500 they don't have the testicular fortitude themselves

00:21:22.540 to actually say men can't get pregnant 1.00

00:21:26.220 or women don't have penises. 1.00

00:21:28.820 They don't actually have the guts 1.00

00:21:30.420 to say those phrases

00:21:32.100 because our conservative party

00:21:33.740 essentially transitioned with the rest of the culture

00:21:36.080 and they're now the liberals,

00:21:37.720 they're the liberals driving the speed limit.

00:21:39.500 And so what you end up having

00:21:41.660 is Pierre Polyev,

00:21:43.700 who's basically,

00:21:44.760 he's pitching freedom,

00:21:46.300 although it doesn't apply it to Christians

00:21:48.820 because he voted for the conversion therapy ban

00:21:51.200 that bans pastoral conversations

00:21:53.020 and some parental conversations

00:21:54.960 with kids struggling with identity issues.

00:21:57.700 What he's really pitching

00:21:59.320 is social liberalism

00:22:00.420 with a better accountant than Trudeau has.

00:22:02.300 So what makes Canada different

00:22:05.340 really is a lack of a political option.

00:22:08.760 There's nobody to take advantage of a consensus

00:22:10.840 that I still think largely exists

00:22:12.840 outside the big cities.

00:22:15.120 Unbelievable.

00:22:16.580 So developing this internal fortitude,

00:22:21.860 it's not only for Canadians,

00:22:23.960 it's largely here we have to do it,

00:22:25.400 but it's everywhere.

00:22:26.500 As you mentioned,

00:22:28.040 the powers that be,

00:22:31.360 the elites, if you will,

00:22:32.760 that don't have the majority yet,

00:22:34.240 but they are coming for those

00:22:36.020 who would dare to stand out,

00:22:38.180 who would dare to oppose

00:22:39.560 what really does seem like a new religion

00:22:42.900 because it's pushed with religious fervor

00:22:45.580 and it is very much an anti-Christian,

00:22:48.180 particularly anti-Christian.

00:22:50.440 Not, you know,

00:22:51.040 they're really,

00:22:51.820 it seems like they're totally picking on

00:22:53.980 all the moral stands

00:22:55.460 of Christianity in particular.

00:22:58.540 And so this is coming,

00:23:00.680 this is being forced,

00:23:01.540 like a new religion,

00:23:02.600 they're demanding acquiescence,

00:23:05.100 they're demanding,

00:23:06.360 you know,

00:23:08.200 full obeisance.

00:23:10.180 And where do we develop,

00:23:12.240 how do we develop

00:23:13.100 that internal fortitude

00:23:14.400 to stand up against it?

00:23:16.540 That's such an interesting question

00:23:18.320 because it really is the question.

00:23:20.440 I don't believe that the West

00:23:22.080 as such can be recovered.

00:23:24.120 The inheritance of the West 0.91

00:23:26.500 is still there.

00:23:27.740 We can teach it in our schools,

00:23:29.420 in our own colleges,

00:23:30.200 and in our family circles.

00:23:31.280 So it's not like that inheritance is gone.

00:23:34.000 But Christendom as it was,

00:23:36.020 it is finished.

00:23:37.640 If you look at the philosopher,

00:23:38.880 Charles Taylor kind of described it,

00:23:40.560 Christendom as nations of bulwarks of belief, 0.76

00:23:43.340 which meant that all of the pressure

00:23:45.800 was towards the Christian views,

00:23:47.740 that you were actually sort of awed

00:23:49.300 if you didn't believe in Christianity,

00:23:51.520 you were the outlier.

00:23:52.880 Now we live in nations 0.98

00:23:54.580 with bulwarks of unbelief,

00:23:56.700 strengthened by this new religion 0.58

00:23:58.380 that you just described,

00:23:59.680 which is,

00:24:00.400 the best way to put it

00:24:01.580 would just be sort of

00:24:02.220 the religion of the self,

00:24:03.540 because fundamentally

00:24:04.400 that's what transgender ideology is, 0.98

00:24:07.200 is not only can I reject

00:24:09.040 all sexual boundaries,

00:24:10.380 all moral boundaries,

00:24:11.380 but I can reconstruct myself

00:24:13.260 sort of brick by brick.

00:24:15.280 I can decide who I am internally

00:24:17.260 and then conform physical reality

00:24:19.520 to the person,

00:24:21.100 the individual

00:24:21.640 that I've conjured up in my mind.

00:24:23.460 And I think that the Christians,

00:24:25.460 in the face of that,

00:24:26.800 have to do two things.

00:24:28.460 First, we have to create

00:24:29.660 very robust subcultures.

00:24:32.080 We need to ensure

00:24:33.100 that our children are not educated

00:24:35.140 by the state,

00:24:37.460 by any of those

00:24:38.540 who seek to impose their ideology

00:24:40.220 on the rest of us.

00:24:42.100 I think 20 years ago

00:24:43.400 you could have had an argument

00:24:44.560 about the public school

00:24:45.660 and whether or not

00:24:47.000 it was legitimate

00:24:47.780 to consider sending your kids there.

00:24:49.840 I'm about as radical

00:24:50.820 as they get on that issue now.

00:24:52.920 I think it's criminally negligent

00:24:54.440 to send your kids

00:24:55.080 to a public school.

00:24:56.340 I know for a lot of people

00:24:57.720 it would take a lot of sacrifice

00:24:59.120 to not send their kids

00:25:00.460 to a public school,

00:25:01.420 but I think you're sacrificing your kid

00:25:03.240 or at least taking

00:25:04.240 a very, very high risk

00:25:05.840 to get there.

00:25:06.820 And if you want to know

00:25:07.680 where my extremism

00:25:09.840 on this issue comes from,

00:25:11.300 I've gotten plenty

00:25:12.080 of phone calls

00:25:12.860 from my conservative

00:25:14.240 Catholic moms

00:25:15.220 with nine kids

00:25:16.380 who already have two kids

00:25:18.040 identifying as transgender

00:25:19.200 because they went

00:25:19.880 to the public school.

00:25:22.040 And these are tragedies

00:25:23.520 that...

00:25:26.680 Secondarily,

00:25:32.300 when we look at

00:25:33.080 the social imaginary

00:25:34.080 of our culture,

00:25:34.900 we have to be very careful

00:25:36.060 which storytellers

00:25:37.300 are telling their stories

00:25:38.820 to our kids

00:25:39.460 because the mainstream culture,

00:25:41.500 the storytellers

00:25:42.300 are Hollywood,

00:25:42.960 the entertainment industry,

00:25:44.180 the big screen

00:25:44.820 and the small screen,

00:25:46.080 and the stories

00:25:47.000 that are being told now

00:25:47.900 by those storytellers

00:25:49.160 are stories

00:25:50.180 which have new heroes

00:25:51.700 and new villains.

00:25:53.180 So in the past,

00:25:54.960 you know,

00:25:55.240 our heroes were,

00:25:56.440 our great historical figures,

00:25:57.920 religious figures.

00:25:59.080 Those are the sorts of people

00:26:00.240 that are getting

00:26:00.680 their statues torn down

00:26:01.840 right now.

00:26:02.820 The new heroes

00:26:03.620 are the sexual revolutionaries 0.79

00:26:05.060 which is why men 1.00

00:26:06.100 like statutory rapist 0.97

00:26:07.400 Harvey Milk

00:26:08.000 got a biopic,

00:26:09.520 you know,

00:26:10.380 with Sean Penn

00:26:11.320 starring as Harvey Milk.

00:26:13.040 Alfred Kinsey, 0.56

00:26:14.140 the sex criminal,

00:26:15.880 got a biopic

00:26:16.640 called Kinsey.

00:26:17.500 Liam Neeson

00:26:18.060 starred as him.

00:26:19.540 Gloria Steinem,

00:26:20.620 the famous abortion activist,

00:26:22.420 got two films

00:26:23.100 about her in 2020 alone.

00:26:25.400 And so these people

00:26:26.340 are now lionized

00:26:27.520 as heroes

00:26:28.160 whereas whenever

00:26:29.800 anybody,

00:26:30.660 a Christian

00:26:31.260 who are social conservative

00:26:32.440 or pro-life

00:26:33.140 who are in front of these films,

00:26:34.480 they're demonized

00:26:35.280 and they're mocked.

00:26:36.460 If we allow

00:26:37.220 those storytellers

00:26:38.380 to tell stories

00:26:39.120 to our children,

00:26:40.500 again,

00:26:41.020 their moral imagination

00:26:42.420 will be shaped

00:26:43.520 by the sexual revolutionaries.

00:26:46.280 And so we have to create

00:26:47.240 a robust subculture

00:26:48.300 that involves

00:26:48.900 cutting those people out

00:26:50.760 and then I believe

00:26:52.260 telling the truth

00:26:53.300 into this dark culture 0.99

00:26:54.480 is essential.

00:26:55.320 So that will look different

00:26:56.620 for different people.

00:26:57.700 We just discussed

00:26:58.360 small acts of courage.

00:26:59.660 I use things

00:27:00.560 like run a podcast

00:27:01.500 and write.

00:27:02.500 One of the things

00:27:03.560 that I do, of course,

00:27:04.660 is I believe

00:27:05.100 the pro-life movement

00:27:06.120 is one of the most

00:27:06.840 important movements

00:27:07.620 because if you go back

00:27:08.740 to the very early church,

00:27:10.360 saving children

00:27:11.720 is something

00:27:12.200 the very first Christians did. 0.90

00:27:14.200 And there's one

00:27:14.840 great Christian philosopher

00:27:16.140 who said

00:27:16.660 if in a hundred years

00:27:18.180 Christians are known

00:27:19.240 as the people

00:27:19.760 who don't kill

00:27:20.660 their infants

00:27:21.500 and their elderly,

00:27:22.320 I think we'll have

00:27:23.000 done pretty well.

00:27:23.740 Hmm.

00:27:25.620 Indeed.

00:27:26.060 Yeah, Jonathan,

00:27:37.980 you froze there

00:27:38.580 for a second.

00:27:39.900 If you're able

00:27:40.500 to repeat

00:27:41.780 that part of the story

00:27:42.700 where you talked

00:27:43.180 about the Catholic mother

00:27:44.600 who did that

00:27:45.880 and then we'll

00:27:46.840 break and go on

00:27:47.780 from there

00:27:48.060 because I think

00:27:48.660 they caught the rest.

00:27:49.320 It was just at that point

00:27:50.260 that you froze up

00:27:51.440 for a second.

00:27:51.780 And for those

00:27:54.620 who are wondering

00:27:55.120 where my extremism

00:27:56.200 on this issue

00:27:56.720 comes from,

00:27:57.320 I've gotten phone calls

00:27:58.320 from some Catholic moms

00:27:59.500 with nine kids

00:28:00.540 who already have

00:28:01.640 two kids

00:28:02.400 identifying as transgender

00:28:03.720 because they sent them

00:28:04.540 to public school.

00:28:05.680 So I believe

00:28:06.360 the public school

00:28:07.200 poses an actual

00:28:08.580 physical and spiritual

00:28:10.460 threat to our children

00:28:11.640 and that's why

00:28:12.420 I'm so opposed

00:28:13.240 to sending our children there.

00:28:15.340 Great.

00:28:16.060 Is that good, David?

00:28:16.880 That's good.

00:28:17.840 Perfect.

00:28:18.340 Okay.

00:28:18.460 So one of the things

00:28:21.980 that is truly remarkable,

00:28:23.660 you talked about us

00:28:25.020 being basically

00:28:26.000 in a post-Christian world 0.99

00:28:27.560 that the Christendom

00:28:28.500 is sort of dead in a way

00:28:29.680 and I would agree.

00:28:30.580 I mean,

00:28:30.740 it certainly looks that way

00:28:32.000 when you look

00:28:33.360 at the whole world scene.

00:28:34.680 It doesn't seem like,

00:28:35.860 you know,

00:28:36.800 Christendom is still standing.

00:28:38.260 We know, though,

00:28:39.040 the promise of our Lord

00:28:39.940 that he will be

00:28:41.340 with his church

00:28:41.980 to the end of time.

00:28:42.780 That still exists.

00:28:43.940 Wherever there's one believer,

00:28:44.920 you have,

00:28:45.540 you know,

00:28:46.320 our Lord still present.

00:28:48.080 But what do you think?

00:28:50.200 I mean,

00:28:50.900 I honestly believe

00:28:51.940 we're in a time

00:28:52.900 where we're out

00:28:54.140 of political solutions

00:28:55.000 that divine intervention

00:28:56.240 needs to come.

00:28:58.420 I'd love to hear

00:28:59.020 your take on that,

00:29:00.340 where we are

00:29:01.000 in terms of the divine

00:29:03.380 looking down.

00:29:04.060 The famous quote from,

00:29:05.620 I think it was

00:29:06.060 Billy Graham's wife,

00:29:07.180 if our Lord

00:29:07.700 doesn't do something soon,

00:29:08.680 he's going to have

00:29:09.100 to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah.

00:29:11.060 Where do you think we're at?

00:29:13.540 I would tend

00:29:14.600 to agree with you.

00:29:15.800 And I'll give one proviso

00:29:18.400 in a moment,

00:29:19.020 but I would tend

00:29:20.160 to agree with you

00:29:21.020 simply because

00:29:21.620 it's very difficult

00:29:22.440 to see the way back

00:29:23.820 from some of the things

00:29:24.820 that have happened.

00:29:26.100 There are some things

00:29:26.800 that I don't know

00:29:27.300 if they can be undone.

00:29:29.140 And so where you're from,

00:29:30.200 there's a lot of big families

00:29:31.360 still, right?

00:29:32.360 Parents with lots of kids.

00:29:34.180 And where I'm from,

00:29:34.960 it's the same thing.

00:29:35.780 I come from a family

00:29:36.900 of big families.

00:29:38.460 But what I've found

00:29:39.500 doing pro-life activism

00:29:40.720 and being on the streets

00:29:41.840 is when you hear somebody

00:29:43.860 say, you know,

00:29:44.600 I couldn't have three kids,

00:29:46.340 I couldn't have four kids,

00:29:48.380 I think they're serious.

00:29:49.820 I think that there's

00:29:51.020 been a break

00:29:51.900 in the intergenerational

00:29:53.040 experience

00:29:53.740 and that the sexual revolution

00:29:54.980 has been so totalizing

00:29:56.280 that we no longer

00:29:57.580 live in countries

00:29:58.380 where people can't imagine

00:30:00.220 having even three

00:30:01.160 or four kids,

00:30:01.940 much less seven

00:30:02.920 or eight

00:30:03.220 or nine or four.

00:30:04.780 And so sometimes

00:30:05.480 I wonder that even

00:30:06.420 if the political conditions

00:30:07.560 were perfect,

00:30:08.180 you had the right president,

00:30:09.200 the right prime minister,

00:30:10.840 you know,

00:30:11.180 the policies that you

00:30:12.180 and I would prefer

00:30:13.100 if we have a population

00:30:15.180 that has actually

00:30:16.100 not only lost

00:30:17.180 the spiritual knowledge

00:30:18.360 of what is best for them,

00:30:20.500 but they've also lost

00:30:21.520 the practical knowledge

00:30:22.500 of how to live

00:30:23.120 a different life.

00:30:24.500 And I realized,

00:30:25.540 actually,

00:30:26.040 the more I engaged

00:30:27.460 with the pro-life movement

00:30:28.320 that the subculture

00:30:29.220 I myself grew up in

00:30:30.480 was sort of a pocket

00:30:31.980 where people still

00:30:33.480 lived their lives

00:30:34.280 as they had

00:30:34.900 in generations past

00:30:36.180 while Christendom

00:30:37.380 was sort of dying

00:30:38.180 all around us.

00:30:39.200 And that people

00:30:40.080 no longer knew

00:30:41.240 how to carry on

00:30:42.300 those old ways of life.

00:30:43.480 There's a phrase

00:30:45.100 Tolkien uses

00:30:45.880 in the first book

00:30:46.720 in his trilogy

00:30:47.200 where he said

00:30:47.640 some things

00:30:48.020 that were forgotten

00:30:48.760 that should not

00:30:49.800 have been forgotten

00:30:50.440 were lost.

00:30:51.820 And so sometimes

00:30:52.500 I think,

00:30:53.400 yeah,

00:30:53.680 I'm not sure

00:30:54.480 how people would

00:30:56.180 go back to that

00:30:57.640 because of the break

00:31:00.160 in the intergenerational

00:31:01.200 experience.

00:31:02.460 The same thing

00:31:03.340 is true when I look

00:31:04.180 at what gender ideology

00:31:05.240 is doing

00:31:05.820 and it really breaks

00:31:06.900 my heart

00:31:07.560 because I'm not

00:31:08.300 sure what to say

00:31:10.120 to these young people.

00:31:12.060 If we believe

00:31:12.860 what we say

00:31:13.740 in the columns

00:31:15.080 of the podcast

00:31:15.740 and the advocacy

00:31:16.680 that we do

00:31:17.340 that the trans movement

00:31:18.980 is perpetrating

00:31:19.740 irreversible damage

00:31:20.800 on these children,

00:31:22.680 the reality of that

00:31:24.100 is what this means

00:31:25.000 is that in the next

00:31:25.620 10 years

00:31:26.180 you're going to have

00:31:26.740 an army of mutilations

00:31:28.080 in every institution's

00:31:32.360 task.

00:31:35.460 As to all the most

00:31:36.600 recent research

00:31:37.340 we have,

00:31:37.860 as recently as this month,

00:31:39.240 will be incapable

00:31:39.920 of burying children

00:31:41.400 or experiencing

00:31:42.300 sexual intimacy,

00:31:43.720 which will essentially

00:31:44.860 mean that

00:31:45.580 even pleasure,

00:31:48.040 even fulfillment

00:31:48.860 as the culture

00:31:49.820 understands it

00:31:50.640 will be denied to them,

00:31:51.980 much less the idea

00:31:53.280 of being able

00:31:54.000 to become one

00:31:54.640 with somebody else

00:31:55.500 and then watch

00:31:56.080 that love

00:31:56.640 grow onto another

00:31:58.000 human being

00:31:58.620 that's half you

00:31:59.320 and half her.

00:32:00.620 And so there's no

00:32:01.480 way back

00:32:02.440 for these kids either.

00:32:03.520 There's so many things

00:32:04.220 that are being done

00:32:04.940 that cannot be undone.

00:32:06.840 And I really would

00:32:08.100 tend to agree

00:32:09.460 with you

00:32:10.000 that short of

00:32:11.000 a divine intervention,

00:32:12.580 this train is going

00:32:13.320 too fast

00:32:14.100 and the cliff

00:32:14.560 is too close

00:32:15.340 to turn it around.

00:32:16.620 The only sort of

00:32:18.680 spasm of hope

00:32:20.080 I've had

00:32:20.680 in all of this though

00:32:21.620 is the overturn

00:32:23.260 of Roe v. Wade

00:32:24.100 last year.

00:32:25.900 And the reason

00:32:26.600 for that

00:32:27.300 is because

00:32:28.340 for the first time

00:32:29.760 since the sexual 0.80

00:32:30.420 revolution has begun,

00:32:32.000 something that was done

00:32:33.220 was undone.

00:32:34.900 And watching the panic

00:32:36.300 of the sexual revolutionaries 0.75

00:32:38.820 over Roe v. Wade,

00:32:40.200 reading about it

00:32:40.820 in the Guardian

00:32:41.340 and the New York Times,

00:32:42.840 hearing abortion activists

00:32:44.100 in the Global South

00:32:44.980 and Africa

00:32:45.440 saying things like

00:32:46.180 this is going to set us

00:32:46.800 back years,

00:32:48.040 I realized

00:32:48.720 when Roe died,

00:32:50.300 the myth of inevitability died.

00:32:52.780 The idea

00:32:53.440 that all of history

00:32:55.040 is marching

00:32:55.520 in a single direction,

00:32:57.060 that abortion is legal,

00:32:58.660 that abortion regimes 0.98

00:32:59.920 are inevitable,

00:33:00.820 which many people felt

00:33:02.180 after Ireland fell

00:33:03.200 in 2018.

00:33:05.080 And then suddenly

00:33:05.680 the world's

00:33:06.900 greatest superpower

00:33:08.000 for the moment,

00:33:09.340 which had declared

00:33:10.360 abortion to be 0.87

00:33:10.960 a constitutional right,

00:33:12.520 suddenly declared

00:33:13.360 that abortion 1.00

00:33:13.860 was not a constitutional right

00:33:15.560 and did so

00:33:16.340 in those terms.

00:33:17.980 And so that's where

00:33:22.020 the myth

00:33:22.660 of inevitability died

00:33:24.460 and looking back

00:33:26.100 at the 50 years

00:33:27.080 of committed

00:33:27.640 and dedicated work

00:33:28.740 of ordinary men

00:33:29.980 and women

00:33:30.340 praying outside

00:33:31.040 abortion clinics

00:33:31.920 and going to the

00:33:32.560 freezing march

00:33:33.160 for life in January,

00:33:34.540 culminating in this,

00:33:35.880 did make me realize

00:33:37.080 that to lose hope

00:33:38.500 is also a historical

00:33:39.600 because there's

00:33:41.240 no good reason

00:33:42.000 that Roe 0.87

00:33:42.560 should have happened.

00:33:43.180 And your memory

00:33:44.240 will go back

00:33:44.760 further than me,

00:33:45.500 but, you know,

00:33:46.620 they said the

00:33:47.180 pro-life movement

00:33:47.600 was dead

00:33:47.980 when the Human Life

00:33:48.600 Amendment

00:33:48.840 failed in the 80s.

00:33:49.760 And then they said

00:33:50.240 it was dead

00:33:50.780 in 1992

00:33:51.900 when Planned Parenthood

00:33:53.040 v. Casey came down.

00:33:54.520 And then they said

00:33:54.980 it was dead

00:33:55.380 when Obama

00:33:55.920 got re-elected

00:33:56.940 and it looked like

00:33:57.880 the court was his.

00:33:59.360 And then they said

00:33:59.860 it was dead

00:34:00.320 when Scalia died

00:34:01.480 and there was

00:34:02.720 another spot

00:34:03.960 for Obama

00:34:04.640 to a point

00:34:05.480 and that spot

00:34:07.100 was held open

00:34:07.720 for a whole year.

00:34:09.220 And then this happened,

00:34:11.100 right?

00:34:11.560 So I don't know

00:34:12.760 how you feel about that,

00:34:13.740 but I felt like

00:34:14.820 the significance

00:34:15.720 of Roe v. Wade's

00:34:16.720 overturn for me

00:34:17.920 wasn't just

00:34:18.800 that 13 states

00:34:19.960 now largely

00:34:20.520 restrict abortion.

00:34:21.760 According to Dr. Michael New,

00:34:23.080 who regularly emails

00:34:23.920 both of us

00:34:24.520 with latest statistics,

00:34:25.980 34,000 babies are alive

00:34:27.800 and would have been dead

00:34:28.660 if that hadn't happened.

00:34:29.580 But also just this sort of

00:34:31.960 this jolt

00:34:32.900 in this march

00:34:34.400 where it's like,

00:34:35.180 no, actually

00:34:35.840 what's been done

00:34:37.100 can be undone.

00:34:38.620 And that's sort of

00:34:39.700 encouraging to consider.

00:34:42.180 Do you have just a second?

00:34:43.120 Just for 10 seconds

00:34:44.160 we're going to have

00:34:45.880 an army

00:34:46.420 coming to the future

00:34:47.800 of mutilated

00:34:49.380 and kids.

00:34:50.020 Yeah, yeah.

00:34:50.800 Yeah, okay.

00:34:52.180 You cut out slightly

00:34:53.420 again

00:34:54.480 where you were talking

00:34:56.020 about

00:34:56.380 an army of mutilated.

00:34:58.500 Can you give us

00:34:59.660 that snippet again?

00:35:00.560 We'll put it in

00:35:01.060 and put it in there.

00:35:02.220 Okay.

00:35:02.640 I'm sorry about that.

00:35:03.940 I don't know.

00:35:05.680 It's your end.

00:35:06.720 Might be ours,

00:35:07.480 but

00:35:07.560 so we'll see

00:35:09.120 what it is.

00:35:10.360 So we've had issues here.

00:35:11.640 This is our fourth

00:35:12.660 internet iteration

00:35:14.620 that we've tried

00:35:15.540 to switch

00:35:16.080 from one to the other,

00:35:17.140 but we're in Barry's Berry.

00:35:18.380 So

00:35:18.500 it's hard here.

00:35:20.460 Go on.

00:35:20.760 One of the things

00:35:24.320 that can't be undone

00:35:25.520 and if we believe

00:35:26.340 what we write

00:35:27.040 and podcast about

00:35:28.320 and advocate for

00:35:29.520 is that there's an army

00:35:30.780 of mutilated children 0.94

00:35:31.840 who have been physically

00:35:32.740 and physiologically destroyed

00:35:34.480 by butchers

00:35:36.000 calling themselves

00:35:36.980 surgeons

00:35:37.620 and by healthcare

00:35:38.820 that in reality

00:35:40.120 was poison.

00:35:41.300 And what we're going

00:35:42.120 to have

00:35:42.560 is a generation

00:35:43.240 of young girls

00:35:44.180 with chest scars

00:35:45.140 and mutilated genitals, 0.92

00:35:47.140 young boys 0.97

00:35:47.780 who have been castrated.

00:35:48.780 How those children

00:35:51.020 will react

00:35:51.860 to discovering

00:35:52.780 how much of life

00:35:54.380 is now denied to them

00:35:55.480 and was denied to them

00:35:57.000 before they could even

00:35:58.000 drink, smoke,

00:35:59.160 vote, or drive.

00:36:00.300 That I think

00:36:00.960 is one of the big questions

00:36:02.300 of the next 10 years.

00:36:05.220 Beautiful.

00:36:05.900 That's great.

00:36:08.940 Okay.

00:36:11.500 Jonathan,

00:36:12.160 first of all,

00:36:12.780 I want to tell everybody

00:36:13.440 Jonathan Van Maren,

00:36:14.660 as we said earlier

00:36:15.560 in the program,

00:36:16.480 is one of our podcasters.

00:36:17.900 The Van Maren Show

00:36:18.820 and LifeSite News

00:36:19.520 also is a frequent

00:36:21.900 contributor to

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00:36:23.600 Go to LifeSiteNews.com

00:36:24.640 and search up

00:36:25.420 Jonathan Van Maren.

00:36:26.820 Jonathan,

00:36:27.200 any final thoughts

00:36:28.160 for us

00:36:28.540 with regard to

00:36:29.760 this mess

00:36:31.980 where we are

00:36:32.520 in our culture today,

00:36:33.740 the road out,

00:36:34.720 and since you talk

00:36:36.340 to so many young people,

00:36:38.060 specifically a message

00:36:38.880 for them?

00:36:41.480 Oh,

00:36:41.760 that's very interesting

00:36:42.540 because

00:36:43.680 I'll go back

00:36:44.720 to what I said earlier.

00:36:45.660 I think that

00:36:46.740 where people

00:36:48.000 despair

00:36:48.680 is when they look

00:36:49.500 at the very big picture.

00:36:51.360 But not only

00:36:52.360 are none of us

00:36:53.260 in control

00:36:53.800 of the big picture,

00:36:55.120 but we're also

00:36:55.860 not called

00:36:56.780 to do the big picture.

00:36:58.680 We're not called

00:36:59.300 to save the world.

00:37:00.200 We're called

00:37:00.580 to deal with

00:37:01.080 what's directly

00:37:01.640 in front of us.

00:37:03.060 And so one of the things

00:37:04.020 that I think

00:37:04.500 that I would say

00:37:05.520 to encourage

00:37:06.280 all parents

00:37:07.180 for starters

00:37:07.780 is that

00:37:08.900 it is much

00:37:10.020 more difficult

00:37:10.700 today

00:37:11.280 to give your children

00:37:12.760 the sort of upbringing

00:37:13.640 that I got to have

00:37:14.740 almost by default

00:37:15.760 by amazing parents

00:37:17.120 that your generation

00:37:18.820 would have had

00:37:19.320 simply because

00:37:19.840 the poison

00:37:20.380 wasn't available

00:37:21.060 on screens

00:37:21.780 everywhere you looked.

00:37:23.300 It is still possible

00:37:24.440 to give your children

00:37:25.340 that upbringing

00:37:25.900 if you orient

00:37:27.200 your life

00:37:27.880 towards doing so.

00:37:29.300 If you make

00:37:29.740 conscious decisions

00:37:30.680 about cutting out

00:37:31.580 the storytellers

00:37:32.540 that want to poison

00:37:33.680 your mind

00:37:34.240 and the minds

00:37:34.720 of your children

00:37:35.680 by refusing

00:37:36.720 to give them

00:37:37.380 technological devices

00:37:38.560 that are pipelines

00:37:39.380 for the porn industry,

00:37:40.260 by instead giving them

00:37:42.200 the Western inheritance

00:37:43.960 that's been

00:37:44.500 completely abandoned

00:37:45.700 by our mainstream

00:37:47.480 culture now.

00:37:48.500 The books

00:37:48.920 and the music

00:37:49.640 that was written

00:37:50.580 by people

00:37:51.320 whose statues

00:37:52.080 are currently

00:37:52.680 being torn down.

00:37:54.400 I pitch myself

00:37:55.200 sometimes and think

00:37:56.120 how can these

00:37:57.040 revolutionaries 1.00

00:37:57.700 be so insane 0.99

00:37:58.840 that they've left 0.75

00:37:59.460 it to me

00:38:00.100 to defend

00:38:01.080 Dostoyevsky

00:38:02.060 and Dickens

00:38:02.900 and Bach

00:38:03.680 and Beethoven

00:38:04.220 while they defend

00:38:05.920 rock and roll 0.66

00:38:06.940 and genital mutilation. 0.95

00:38:08.600 It seems surreal 0.63

00:38:09.480 that they would have

00:38:10.020 given this ground

00:38:10.820 to us

00:38:11.320 and occupied

00:38:12.260 the ground

00:38:12.920 where they stand

00:38:13.640 instead.

00:38:14.780 And so Anthony Esalen

00:38:15.960 who I know

00:38:16.480 that we've both

00:38:17.300 read much of

00:38:18.040 once called

00:38:19.500 literature

00:38:20.100 the great unused

00:38:21.580 artillery of the

00:38:22.540 culture wars.

00:38:23.560 And so it is

00:38:24.700 still possible

00:38:25.640 to raise your

00:38:26.400 children the way

00:38:27.220 that you were raised

00:38:28.020 or you weren't

00:38:29.100 raised that way

00:38:29.760 to give them

00:38:30.640 a new opportunity

00:38:31.520 to give them

00:38:32.180 a new opportunity

00:38:33.560 to give them

00:38:36.180 a new opportunity

00:38:39.460 and what do

00:38:40.520 you make

00:38:40.900 of young people

00:38:41.780 who are so

00:38:42.440 steeped in this

00:38:43.460 themselves?

00:38:43.900 We don't have

00:38:44.180 to give them

00:38:44.920 a new opportunity.

00:38:47.020 Wait one second

00:38:48.220 what's we don't

00:38:49.160 give them a new

00:38:49.600 opportunity

00:38:50.140 and that's

00:38:51.100 you froze at that.

00:38:52.020 Okay.

00:38:53.080 I don't know

00:38:53.980 what's going on

00:38:54.480 but you froze

00:38:55.100 you froze again

00:38:55.940 there at

00:38:56.960 to give them

00:38:58.000 a new opportunity.

00:39:00.440 So I stopped

00:39:01.240 right there

00:39:01.640 I saw you freeze

00:39:02.600 and I stopped

00:39:03.140 talking because

00:39:03.660 I knew this

00:39:03.960 would happen.

00:39:04.980 Ah okay.

00:39:05.460 and that's

00:39:07.580 why I didn't

00:39:07.920 go right

00:39:08.240 into the

00:39:08.500 young people

00:39:08.920 because I

00:39:09.280 knew there

00:39:09.480 was a

00:39:09.700 freeze

00:39:09.880 freeze

00:39:10.100 there.

00:39:10.480 Okay.

00:39:11.160 Could you

00:39:11.620 continue from

00:39:12.780 there then

00:39:13.140 when I think

00:39:14.060 it was that

00:39:14.420 where you

00:39:14.660 said to give

00:39:15.380 young people

00:39:15.840 an opportunity.

00:39:16.300 What was the

00:39:16.620 last sentence?

00:39:17.740 What was the

00:39:18.180 last line he

00:39:18.720 had?

00:39:19.520 We were talking

00:39:20.460 about literature

00:39:21.060 and it was to

00:39:21.920 give them a

00:39:22.680 new opportunity.

00:39:25.360 Yeah.

00:39:25.920 Did you hear that?

00:39:27.520 Yeah.

00:39:28.120 Yeah.

00:39:28.460 Good.

00:39:28.600 So just

00:39:31.200 because the

00:39:32.200 secular culture

00:39:32.900 the post-Christian 0.99

00:39:33.820 culture

00:39:34.320 the anti-Christian

00:39:35.320 culture has

00:39:35.940 rejected this

00:39:36.720 way of life

00:39:37.280 it doesn't

00:39:37.900 mean we need

00:39:38.380 to do so.

00:39:39.220 That way of

00:39:39.720 life is still

00:39:40.460 available to us

00:39:41.300 if we are

00:39:41.780 incredibly

00:39:42.240 intentional

00:39:42.760 and work

00:39:43.540 very hard

00:39:44.100 and all of

00:39:44.600 that is worth

00:39:45.280 it.

00:39:46.340 And to

00:39:46.600 young people

00:39:47.200 I have the

00:39:48.380 same message

00:39:48.940 but it's

00:39:49.300 more difficult

00:39:49.960 because their

00:39:50.720 minds are

00:39:51.220 shaped by what

00:39:51.980 they see

00:39:52.320 around them

00:39:53.040 and those

00:39:54.140 who have been

00:39:54.620 struggling with

00:39:55.120 pornography

00:39:55.680 those who see

00:39:57.000 all of the

00:39:57.540 peer pressure

00:39:58.160 orienting them

00:39:59.080 towards an

00:39:59.740 anti-Christian

00:40:00.320 world view

00:40:00.900 it is much

00:40:02.060 more difficult

00:40:02.620 for them

00:40:03.160 and I always

00:40:03.820 want to start

00:40:04.320 off by saying

00:40:05.100 I can never

00:40:06.160 browbeat young

00:40:06.940 people because

00:40:07.600 they didn't

00:40:08.120 choose to

00:40:09.020 grow up in

00:40:09.460 this world

00:40:09.920 and the

00:40:10.740 poisonous world

00:40:11.520 they're being

00:40:11.860 forced to

00:40:12.420 grow up in

00:40:12.900 was created

00:40:13.600 by adults

00:40:14.460 and those

00:40:15.180 adults fully

00:40:16.140 intended to

00:40:17.340 destroy their

00:40:18.160 minds simply 0.99

00:40:19.300 for profit.

00:40:20.400 People often

00:40:20.920 ask me 0.91

00:40:21.280 do the porn

00:40:21.680 companies want

00:40:22.560 to corrupt

00:40:22.900 the youth?

00:40:23.500 I don't think

00:40:24.040 they care

00:40:24.600 as long as

00:40:25.320 that corruption

00:40:25.880 results in

00:40:26.480 enormous amounts

00:40:27.160 of money

00:40:27.620 going into

00:40:28.500 their

00:40:28.700 coffers

00:40:29.320 but the

00:40:30.360 good news

00:40:30.880 is the same

00:40:31.360 good news

00:40:31.920 that has

00:40:32.340 always been

00:40:32.940 there is

00:40:34.220 so much

00:40:35.120 fulfillment

00:40:35.860 in a

00:40:36.820 Christian life

00:40:37.820 and this is

00:40:38.940 something that

00:40:39.520 every generation

00:40:40.180 has to rediscover

00:40:41.080 for itself

00:40:41.780 but these rules

00:40:43.340 are not put in

00:40:44.500 place to

00:40:45.320 restrict us

00:40:46.040 they are put in

00:40:46.820 place that we

00:40:47.400 can fully

00:40:47.960 understand and

00:40:49.040 fully enjoy

00:40:49.860 and fully

00:40:50.340 embrace the

00:40:51.300 things that are

00:40:51.860 best for us

00:40:52.480 because our

00:40:52.880 creator knew

00:40:53.780 best what a

00:40:55.220 man is

00:40:55.660 what a

00:40:56.160 woman is 1.00

00:40:56.740 what marriage

00:40:57.560 is and he

00:40:58.700 has given

00:40:59.100 us the

00:40:59.500 recipe for

00:41:00.700 a happy

00:41:01.180 life and

00:41:02.220 what we are

00:41:02.680 called to

00:41:03.060 do is to

00:41:03.520 follow that

00:41:04.240 but to

00:41:05.160 recognize what

00:41:06.200 is being sold

00:41:06.820 by the world

00:41:07.540 will inevitably

00:41:08.320 destroy your 0.68

00:41:09.400 chances at

00:41:10.080 happiness and

00:41:11.480 what is laid

00:41:12.440 out in the

00:41:13.660 Christian faith

00:41:14.300 will give you

00:41:14.740 the recipe to

00:41:15.940 happiness and

00:41:16.700 I'm much less

00:41:18.580 far down that

00:41:19.580 road than you

00:41:20.280 are because you've

00:41:20.980 got a much

00:41:21.320 bigger family

00:41:21.920 than you and

00:41:22.500 so if you

00:41:24.420 John Henry

00:41:24.920 could almost

00:41:25.380 just tell the

00:41:26.180 young people

00:41:26.880 out there just

00:41:27.720 for a minute

00:41:28.160 what is it like

00:41:29.140 being a dad to

00:41:30.100 a huge family

00:41:30.860 and getting to

00:41:31.460 be married for

00:41:32.540 25 years because

00:41:33.780 I hope to

00:41:34.820 achieve a long

00:41:36.300 marriage but I

00:41:37.200 look at my

00:41:37.660 grandparents I

00:41:38.300 look at people

00:41:38.820 who have been

00:41:39.160 married for so

00:41:39.700 long and think

00:41:40.300 it takes decades

00:41:41.520 to have a love

00:41:42.960 that looks like

00:41:43.600 that to have a

00:41:44.520 family that looks

00:41:45.160 like that but I

00:41:46.240 think that's so

00:41:46.820 attractive to young

00:41:47.660 people who don't

00:41:48.220 know how to get

00:41:48.840 it yeah it's

00:41:51.560 funny you know

00:41:52.500 the one thing

00:41:53.400 that I'd say

00:41:54.040 it's a generosity

00:41:57.380 on God's part

00:41:58.300 and I did so

00:42:01.280 many things that

00:42:02.120 made me so

00:42:03.100 unworthy of

00:42:04.240 anything like

00:42:05.180 what I've been

00:42:07.040 gifted with

00:42:07.600 I have eight

00:42:08.920 children eight

00:42:10.220 beautiful children

00:42:10.920 whom I love

00:42:11.880 and can say

00:42:14.280 as far as I

00:42:15.580 know love me

00:42:16.120 and and my

00:42:16.900 wife a beautiful

00:42:18.260 wife who's been

00:42:19.120 open to life

00:42:19.900 who's been open

00:42:20.620 to family who's

00:42:21.320 been open to

00:42:22.460 faith I

00:42:24.100 don't deserve

00:42:24.580 any of those

00:42:25.080 things that's

00:42:26.780 the generosity

00:42:27.500 of our good

00:42:28.160 Lord who even

00:42:29.120 after we've

00:42:30.260 offended him

00:42:30.940 who when we

00:42:32.720 know full well

00:42:34.160 that our own

00:42:34.940 sins have 0.97

00:42:36.400 caused his

00:42:37.120 crucifixion he

00:42:38.980 bore that for

00:42:39.840 us and he

00:42:41.700 turns around from

00:42:42.560 that as soon as

00:42:43.180 we turn to him

00:42:43.720 even a little

00:42:44.280 bit and blesses

00:42:47.280 us no matter

00:42:48.900 what mess you've

00:42:50.340 got yourself

00:42:50.780 into it's

00:42:52.880 amazing to

00:42:54.780 see how God

00:42:56.160 is willing to

00:42:56.720 bless you the

00:42:58.560 blessing of

00:42:59.040 family is

00:43:00.680 something I

00:43:01.040 know I don't

00:43:01.640 deserve it's a

00:43:04.200 beautiful thing

00:43:04.600 because it brings

00:43:05.960 you out of

00:43:07.260 yourself it

00:43:09.540 brings you to

00:43:10.160 serve in a

00:43:12.380 way that is

00:43:13.220 it's very

00:43:14.020 natural to

00:43:14.720 because the

00:43:16.100 motivation to

00:43:17.280 live your life

00:43:18.200 for Christ to

00:43:18.920 live a life of

00:43:20.980 generosity and

00:43:22.700 of self-giving

00:43:23.340 is tough

00:43:24.860 but when the

00:43:27.020 motivation is

00:43:27.640 there in the

00:43:29.480 little mouths

00:43:30.720 to feed the

00:43:31.980 little bums to

00:43:33.480 change it

00:43:35.720 moves you to

00:43:37.500 do what you

00:43:38.200 know is right

00:43:38.860 but sometimes

00:43:39.940 don't have what

00:43:41.220 it takes within

00:43:41.820 you to go

00:43:42.360 forward

00:43:42.640 family is a

00:43:44.620 great motivational

00:43:46.480 factor that way

00:43:47.360 and you get to

00:43:49.060 learn in your

00:43:50.920 life as you

00:43:51.680 live your life

00:43:52.220 God's way is

00:43:53.620 the best way

00:43:54.120 it's the only

00:43:56.640 real beauty that

00:43:57.880 exists it's the

00:43:58.800 one that Christ

00:43:59.520 showed us in his

00:44:00.200 example with you

00:44:01.500 know he said

00:44:02.060 and for this

00:44:03.820 reason a man

00:44:04.500 shall leave his

00:44:05.060 father and mother

00:44:05.600 and be joined to

00:44:06.800 his wife and the

00:44:07.560 two shall become

00:44:08.120 one flesh

00:44:08.600 it's the

00:44:09.840 example of his

00:44:11.220 own life

00:44:12.780 union with the

00:44:13.800 church it's the

00:44:15.500 example that we

00:44:16.180 live out in our

00:44:16.780 family lives we

00:44:18.100 can all strive for

00:44:18.720 that unworthy of

00:44:20.100 it though I be

00:44:21.260 and anyone else

00:44:22.980 maybe he still

00:44:24.160 puts it out for

00:44:24.760 us that to me is

00:44:26.800 what family is

00:44:27.260 like

00:44:27.500 Jonathan van

00:44:30.860 Marijn what a 1.00

00:44:32.560 what a wealth of

00:44:33.280 knowledge thank you

00:44:35.020 thank you from

00:44:36.140 all the many

00:44:36.860 life site readers

00:44:37.540 who have for

00:44:38.620 years appreciated

00:44:40.180 your writing your

00:44:41.440 insights your

00:44:42.400 podcasts they're a

00:44:44.560 great blessing to

00:44:45.500 us God bless you

00:44:47.180 I think we're

00:44:55.380 frozen to you is

00:44:56.140 that right

00:44:56.480 well thank you so

00:45:05.000 much for having

00:45:05.420 me

00:45:05.960 go ahead Jonathan

00:45:09.100 I can hear you

00:45:09.720 now

00:45:09.900 yeah thank you so

00:45:12.480 much for having

00:45:12.900 me it's uh it's

00:45:14.220 always a pleasure to

00:45:14.860 talk to you and

00:45:15.360 hope to see you

00:45:15.840 again very soon

00:45:16.700 very good and

00:45:19.660 God bless all of

00:45:20.280 you we'll see you

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The John-Henry Westen Show - April 27, 2023

Solutions To The ‘Woke’ Agenda ｜ Internationally Acclaimed Podcaster Jonathon Van Maren

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