Sr. Wilhelmina’s student speaks out about God and suffering
Summary
Sister Wilhelmina, a nun who was found to be incorrupt, joins us to talk about her life in the order of the Oblates of Mary, Queen of the Apostles, and how she became a nun.
Transcript
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Pro-life, pro-family, and Catholic values have guided us to the top.
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She told them, exhume my body. You'll see something really cool. Just pick it up. Come on.
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Kept appearing in their dreams, telling them, you need to do this.
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Hey, my friends, there are a couple of fascinating stories we're going to hit today.
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And with the same source, because actually the same young lady who was with Sister Wilhelmina,
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remember the founders of the traditional order that was just found to be incorrupt?
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Well, one of her former postulants or one of the people who knew her well,
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also happens to be the sister of that priest of the fraternity of St. Peter who was murdered.
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So we're going to get two fascinating stories, all from one source.
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Stay tuned to this episode of the John Henry Weston Show.
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Good, good. Let's begin as we always do with the sign of the cross.
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In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen.
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So, Sasha, if you could start, tell us about Sister Wilhelmina.
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And if you could tell us the story, what happened now with her being found to be incorrupt?
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When I met them, they were still in what they consider the founding years.
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It was after they had begun their order of the Oblates of Mary, Queen of the Apostles,
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and had moved to Shehola to be near the Society of St. John.
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They were an order of priests that were trying to start a religious community of people with a Catholic,
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traditional Catholic atmosphere, to raise their family in a safe place.
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And the sisters were contemplating the idea of starting a school there,
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but it wasn't feeling like it was the right path for them.
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So, I made my visitation there, and that's where I met Sister Wilhelmina.
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I was put directly under her care right away, and she taught me to iron.
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And it's a lot more complicated than you think.
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I was starting out with just the scapular and the tunic that they wear.
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And after a while, she put me on wimples, and that was hard.
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She had to work me through step-by-step every part of it.
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And if I did it just the way she did it, it turned out nicely.
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But if I did one thing wrong, the whole thing was crazy, because it fits directly to the head.
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I learned when I entered the order that you actually have to shave your head very close to the scalp.
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My hair was shorter, much shorter than yours underneath the wimple, because it fits your head.
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If it grows, it starts to cut off here, so it makes it kind of hard to breathe.
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You have to cut your hair often for it to fit right.
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And then, of course, there's the veil that just kind of paints the top of the place down.
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So Sister Wilhelmina was the founder of this order?
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Technically, Sister Therese and Sister Anna-Marie were already trying to start the order.
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However, Bishop Timlin felt they needed to have experience,
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somebody who had a firm foundation and understanding of the process of
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So she, you were telling me earlier, she wasn't, even though she was the foundress,
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When I entered the convent, she was the one who did the laundry, the darning of socks and
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clothing, fixing any hairs or whatnot that was in them.
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And she also sewed a lot of the habits, but she didn't do a lot of the stuff that the other
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But she, she didn't work on the vestments and she didn't make decisions for the sisters.
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Sister Therese, Sister Elizabeth and Sister Nancyada were the ones who mainly did all the
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decision-making, but Sister Therese, of course, was the superior.
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We didn't call her mother because we weren't in a place where the order was allowed to call
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It was still a group of religious women that were together.
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With new orders, there's a lot of processes to go through.
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Sorry, I'm not very good at protecting those cultures.
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But tell us about, I mean, it's neat to have interacted with a saint.
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God's chosen her in a special way as he revealed to everyone after the fact by, you know, miraculously
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You mentioned that when she was teaching you ironing, she'd sometimes be rather strict
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with you or making sure it was done in the right way.
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And in retrospect, what do you think of it now?
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As strict as she was about doing things right, she and herself was not a strict person.
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The way I would describe her was a feisty, sassy, tiny nut.
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She was definitely under the 5-foot range in the 4-foot range.
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And it wasn't all because she hunched a little bit.
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But for all her tininess, her character made up for that.
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She was very spunky and liked to sass as Dutreza a lot.
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But in a kind way, she was never mean about it.
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She just, it was mostly making fun of herself in a sense and her shortcomings, which speaks
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She taught me to read publicly because when I became a novice, I needed to read the Martyrology
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And I struggled a lot, especially with the Martyrology.
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And reading it aloud, I was like, whoa, what am I doing?
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And being that in her prior order, she was a teacher for many years.
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And she was able to help me to project my voice, to pronounce the words, to break them
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And she also decided that since my writing wasn't so good, she helped me with that a little
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In the Order of St. Benedict, we always take reading and learning and just expanding our
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I mean, it's just, and I say we are, because in a sense, I never really left that frame of
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mind, because I still do a lot of the things that I did in the convent.
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And one of the things she was most keen that all the sisters do was to read the book, St.
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And that is built into what we do in the Order.
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Every part of our lives fears us for being a slave of Our Lady.
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So there's a little bell that rings every hour.
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And if we're not seeing the Divine Office, we fall on our knees and re-offer our lives
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And that is just part of everything that is with the sisters.
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They're very much in following Our Lady's life and her wonderful work with the apostles,
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because the entire dedication of the Order is for priests, which is amazing, because Father
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We would have a place for them to come and stay and rejuvenate and be able to go back out
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And that was all Sister Wilhelmina who brought that about.
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I mean, that was what she felt we were called to do.
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And that started long before she even started this Order.
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It was back in the time when she realized that she was heading down the wrong path.
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The sisters were taking their habit and changing it.
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The hair started showing, and instead of it completely covering the forehead, these skirts
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She talked about her frustrations with sisters were even curling their hair underneath their
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But she had a complete change of heart and was able to express that.
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But when she met the Pope at one point, Pope John Paul II, and there was letters that were
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back and forth between her and his secretary at times.
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And they were encouraging her to stay strong with her vocation and to hold true to her wanting the habit.
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It had a great contention in her order, her previous order.
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And that is why Bishop Timlin felt she was the perfect choice, was because here these two nuns were,
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Sister Therese and Sister Anna Marie, wanting to start a traditional order to help the fraternity
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And here this nun was trying so hard to remain traditional in every aspect of life, including
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When Sister Therese and Sister Anna Marie came to visit, she did not feel it was a perfect fit.
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And they went back and they're like, Bishop, this isn't going to work.
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They're like, okay, we'll start looking at the process.
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I know that a lot of people say that she had permission, but that happened after Bishop
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Timlin had just moved away for her a little bit.
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But she showed up on their doorstep and she's like, I'm here.
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And the way she tells me, she's like, when I was walking out the door, I saw some of the
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And I'm going to go and I'm going to like wear the habit and you guys can do whatever
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And that, that was just the way she was very sassy to the end.
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When I went to visit her after her body was exhumed, it was incredible.
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I wouldn't say it was an incense because it wasn't smoky.
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And I wouldn't say it was floral, but it gave you a sense of floral.
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It came from her body and just filled the church.
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And as I knelt in the church where her body was right beside her and I was praying for
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her and for, I don't know, just a sense that she would understand why I left when I left because
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I heard her voice and she told me that it was all right.
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The sisters were sad for a time, but they were all right now.
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It was more of an internal kind of voice, the way I sometimes hear my brother.
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Because he's told me a few things and I've gotten to hear his voice again, which is cool.
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And she told me that she would be with me like my brother's with me and that she would
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I've got to remember, ask for the things that I'm wanting answered.
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Kept appearing in their dreams, telling them you need to do this.
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It was totally stunning to me, because you know that the church is in this big debate
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about the Latin Mass and about traditional orders, and there's a lot of them being shut
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In the middle of all of that happening, there is this, like, God votes on the issue.
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Exhumed is the body of a nun who couldn't stand that they were going anti-tradition.
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So came and founded another order that's traditional, and he makes her body incorrupt.
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There's a lot of questions I have about Sister Wilhelmina and about what life was like with
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Were you able to experience that with her at all?
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Our Lady came to her on more than one occasion.
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This I didn't know during my time with her since reading her book, and I still haven't finished
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it yet, because I'm like, oh, this is fascinating.
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I'll call everybody, and then I'm like, oh, I've run out of time to read now.
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But there's so many fascinating things in her life.
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I would highly recommend reading her book, which the sisters have on their website.
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She was visited by Our Lady in 1926 for the first time, which was when she was two years
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And it was on one of the days that Our Lady appeared to the children of Fatima on a Saturday
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So Our Lady didn't really speak to her so much as just gave her the sense that she was protected
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And just this beautiful, overwhelming sense of joy for her.
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She knew that her brothers needed prayers right away and ran to her mother crying, saying,
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And her mom, realizing something was happening, prayed the rosary with her daughter.
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And later when the brothers came in, she's like, OK, what happened?
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And they're like, OK, well, the boat capsized and we almost drowned.
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I don't know how we made it to shore, but we made it to shore.
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And she would always fold her hands like this and punch her shoulders in and bow her head.
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And I started noticing that when the host was raised, she had this practice of raising her eyes with the host and then bringing them back down and just kind of internalizing the joy that God was there and she was about to receive.
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And the same thing when he puts the chalice again and all the sisters started doing it, following her example.
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And I think everyone at St. Michael's noticed that we did this and started emulating that in a sense.
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Just this overwhelming, you know, the actions of what we do help to remind us that the presence of God in the tabernacle is true and real.
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And by taking an action every time we go, it kind of reminds us all again just how real his presence is.
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It's like seeing the male removed movie that they put out about the blessed sacrament, seeing all the angels, lady, and how when he raises that hose, he changes from the priest to God himself in the form of the second person.
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And it's just a beautiful reminder of how our actions can remind us of the spiritual side of things.
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Every action she took was very much reminded in prayer.
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She wasn't always able to stand with all the sisters because she was older and had health issues.
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She wanted so much to stand with the sisters, do everything the sisters did.
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There was one time we were praying, offering ourselves as a slave to Our Lady, as we did every hour.
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And when I stood up, Sister came out of her room.
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And I would always ask permission like this to my superior.
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It happens to be on the very cover, just on the inside cover of her book.
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Her poems have a simplisticness to them that just even a child can understand.
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It reminds me of the poems my mother used to say.
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And after reading it, we were talking about it.
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And it turns out she was supposed to be napping.
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But I think both of us had a childlike sense about us in the convent.
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And we both kind of stayed true to that childlike innocence during that entire time.
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I think that's one of the reasons why we get along so well.
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One of the things that I find so fascinating is that she was, as you said, sassy or joyful kind of mischievous.
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And then when she talks to you from heaven, she's the same.
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Because I think a lot of people assume that, you know, in heaven we'll become like automatons.
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I, you know, it's like I can't wait to hear what nickname our Lord will have.
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The saints still have their same disposition or whatever that they have when they're here.
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Before we, before we move to your brother, I wanted to ask you, because you're obviously not a nun.
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You are, you have five children of your own right now.
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Well, when I became a novice, everything was so wonderful.
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And I found myself entering a deeper state of understanding and prayer, which I've been trying hard to reach back to that point.
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It took me a while, but I think I'm getting there.
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It was a new understanding and joy in actually experiencing the negative side of things.
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And hard to describe, but there was joy in suffering, not in going out and trying to hurt yourself.
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And there was a sense of joy in the humiliation of the punishment or in the experience that this would help me with my humility.
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There was a joy in it that is beyond anything in this life.
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And when I experienced that, I also came to an understanding that this is momentary.
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This is to prepare you for a time when our Lord wasn't going to be talking to you.
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A lot of the saints talk about it, particularly St. Therese and Mother Teresa.
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And always preceding the darkness of the soul is a moment of euphoria where God helps them to experience the good thing,
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to help them understand that the time of darkness is painful, but there's light at the end of the tunnel.
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And during that darkness, a pain erupted in my chest.
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And I found myself laying down on the floor in the convent.
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And eventually, after experiencing several of those episodes, the pain went to my stomach.
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And while the pain in my chest would go away, the pain in my stomach did not go away.
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And the doctor did cat scans and many different cats, blood tests.
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And they said, try going to a psychiatrist and see what they say.
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I went and had several visits with a psychiatrist that was recommended by the diocese.
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So we assumed that it was possible that our Lord was just giving me, how do I refer to it, the endurance test of the novitiate.
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As a novice, you're given trials and tribulations to endure.
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As the sisters look on and see if you will withstand the test that God sends.
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We assumed that it was possible these tests were part of that.
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So for the next several months, I kept enduring the pain.
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I got to say, it was a lot like Sister Maria from The Sound of Music.
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And sometimes I would forget to put my uniform away.
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I had a wild side that I couldn't seem to tame.
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So one of my punishments was rather interesting.
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I was told to sit in the laity's pew away from the sisters for prayer.
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And I was to sit separate from the sisters for mealtime.
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And during that time, it came to me that I should go home.
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But I pushed myself to go up to the sisters while they were having a meeting.
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The next day, before any of the sisters woke up, my parents came to pick me up.
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Which was completely forgotten by me in the midst of all of the other stuff.
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And eight days later, something incredible happened.
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Who, for the first time, described, in a Catholic way, what giving birth really was.
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I've recently come across information that says it's not just spiritual, but physical.
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That we literally have a piece of our child that is left within us.
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Just as they have a piece of us left in our child.
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And that there is going to always be a physical and spiritual connection with our child.
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Our Lady was literally a tabernacle for her whole life.
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Because you literally cannot take that part of our Lord out of her.
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That's probably why she was assumed body and soul into heaven.
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It's just one of the many beautiful things that I was shown in that moment.
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And it changed my view on motherhood completely.
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And yes, I was reminded by my family many times.
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So, I decided to just try working with kids for a while.
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And eventually, after college and trying out many different things in life and traveling many places.
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So, that's one of the wonderful things in store for me.
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We are just about to have the Synod on Synodality.
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And everything that you've seen indicates that it's going to be an absolute disaster.
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We have Father James Martin as a personal appointee of the Pope speaking at it.
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These picks of the Pope to engage in this Synod are indicative of where we're going.
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And at these times of great crisis, the Church, especially those called in the laity to work for the glory of Christ and His Church, are called to gather and strategize.
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About Pope Francis, about what was going on in Rome.
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Now, a decade on, we are confronted with some of the most severe challenges the Church has ever faced.
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And we'll be there to strategize with His Eminence, with His Excellency, and with many life and family leaders from around the world.
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So, let's talk about this half-brother of yours.
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And to me, he's Kenny and will always be Kenny.
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But it's hard to break the habit of Kenny when you spend so much time with him.
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And the first thing he said to me was, if you take your hands like this, and you go really fast like this, and you stand on the balls of your toes, your front part of your foot, you can run faster than any other way.
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And then we proceeded to become best friends and closer siblings.
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Even before our parents married or received their annulments and then married, which is a miraculous story in itself because St. Joseph had a huge part in that.
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I never saw him in any other way than a sibling from the moment I met him.
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When we played, instead of house, we played church.
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I was the choir director and he was the priest.
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And my sister Kelsey was the congregation, much to her dismay.
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And I wanted to sometimes play the priest part.
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I'll be honest, that one seemed like the more exciting part.
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But since a girl can't be a priest, and since I was so good with music, choir director for me.
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We went on many adventures as children, many of which my mother would probably have a lot of gray hair about.
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Built forts on the side of those cliffs and even built fires on them following safety rules.
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We had this fascination with a mountain just across from his grandfather.
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And so we'd heard that there was gold possibly over there.
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So we started observing this area and discovered that it was the gold mine.
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And we would watch the people go to and from and take notes.
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And we were very scientific about the whole thing.
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But it was our fascination for over a year straight.
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But that was just one of the many things we enjoyed doing as children.
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We used to say that he was so smart that he could spell the world.
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And then I turned to him and said, Kenny, spell the world.
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And then, of course, being the youth ball that he is, he'd spell W-O-R-L-D world.
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He was smart enough to jump those two grades and learn right along with me.
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When I entered the convent, he was preparing for college.
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And up to Barry's Bay, Ontario, he went to Our Lady's Seat of Wisdom Academy.
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A lot of the students I met after, because I went to the same college after he had gone,
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said that despite the fact that he took on excess classes that were beyond the norm,
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he would also take the time to teach his fellow students.
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Many of the girls would be like, he is just a doll because he would sit down and explain things to us
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I don't know how he had the time to learn everything he was supposed to learn, but he did.
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And he was constantly seen running from one location to another.
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So a lot of the students would call him Penny Laflache.
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A lot of the students that knew him were still going to college when I went.
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So it was fun to see just how much of a legend my brother was at the college.
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During my time, I think the only thing that I became known for is the dancing.
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actually, I think I have it written here for just a moment.
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God, in his infinite love, desires all men to be saved
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Along with the church, then, I am deeply grieved
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by these errors concerning the nature and dignity of man,
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which deviate them from their supernatural end.
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then the only vocation that I could be satisfied with as a work
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would be one that would be dedicated to bringing people to salvation
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This work is best carried out by the priesthood,
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which is instituted by Christ specifically for the care of souls,
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for by means of the sacraments and teaching of the faith to people,
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the people receive both the truths of the faith
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and the sanctifying grace needed for spiritual life.
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Those words are exactly who he is in life and in death.
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When he was alive, he would visit people's home,
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and he would bring it to the people's home and pray with them.
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He was very supportive of the Knights of Columbus.
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I'm told there are many more, but I haven't yet found them.
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I hope to eventually get a hold of the radio station that interviewed him.
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I'm told there are up to 30 different interviews.
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There's also a YouTube video of a homily that they recorded,
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I know that he was the youngest ever at the time
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He was very young because he went straight from a year early
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to be done with high school, straight into college.
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And from college, he went straight to the seminary.
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He wanted to go at first straight from high school to the fraternity,
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but they wisely insisted that he needed a little bit of world-wise knowledge
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and they suggested college was a good way to do that.
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He was very young and my mother made most of his vestments.
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They created his chalice using stones that they bought off of eBay.
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I remember helping my mom with the vestments a little bit,
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but she wanted the honor mostly to just do them all to herself.
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So other than asking for help occasionally, how do you do this?
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She did it all herself, which is a beautiful work.
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My mom is every bit the seamstress that I learned to be in the convent
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because a lot of the work that we did in the convent
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I have to double-check that because sometimes I forget.
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and I apologize if there's pain associated with that,
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but if you can tell us the story of how did you die?
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or whatever he could get his hands on to get drugs.
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and he went in search of whatever he could find in the vest.
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But by that point, he'd gotten a hold of the gun.
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And I know that there was a struggle with my brother.
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but I don't think he used much of it in harming him.
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I think it was more in the sense of trying to detain him.
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that you can see the bruising on him, nowhere else.
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He called 911 and then proceeded to give my brother the last rites
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It took a long time for him to, for Father Tara to heal
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it was after the funeral mass that took place in Arizona.
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There's a statue there to signify where he was there for a while.
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with the excess money that was given to my family
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So now I believe there are three priests at this point,