The John-Henry Westen Show - February 08, 2023


St. Gallen Mafia： 'Deep Church' Power Grab Now Exposed

Topics
Sangallen Mafia Sandgallen Mafia
Hosted by
John-Henry Westen
Mentioned
Carlo Maria Martini Francis Garburit Bergoglio Pope Francis Eugenio Scalfari Cardinal Casper Cardinal McCarrick Benedict Daniels Cardinal Martini Julia Maloney Wade Grant Achilles Silvestrini John Paul II Traditiones Custodis Sumorum Pontificum Peter Kwasniewski Matt McCusker Godfrey Daniels Amoris Laetitia and 12 more
The First Pro-Trans Pope？ Francis' Backing of the LGBT Lobby Is Pope Francis' New Pandemic Ecology Cause for Alarm？

Episode Stats


Length

33 minutes

Words per minute

148.01

Word count

4,892

Sentence count

282

Harmful content

Misogyny

1

sentences flagged

Hate speech

1

sentences flagged


Summary

Summaries generated with gmurro/bart-large-finetuned-filtered-spotify-podcast-summ .

Do you have a hard time understanding Pope Francis? Are you wondering what he s trying to accomplish? What if I told you that a secret group of leftist cardinals conspired to elect Pope Francis, contravening rules for papal elections? Well, some of you may have already heard of the St. Gallen Mafia, but we have with us an amazing journalist, one of the best researchers I know, who has done a deep dive into the inner workings of this group. And what is most startling is how their stated agenda falls totally in line with the Francis papacy.

Transcript

Transcript generated with Whisper (turbo).
Misogyny classifications generated with MilaNLProc/bert-base-uncased-ear-misogyny .
Hate speech classifications generated with facebook/roberta-hate-speech-dynabench-r4-target .
Topics generated with Qwen2.5-3B-Instruct.
Hosts, guests, and mentioned names generated with spaCy (en_core_web_sm), reconciled against Wikidata.
00:00:00.000 Do you have a hard time understanding Pope Francis and what he's up to?
00:00:03.500 Are you wondering what he's trying to accomplish?
00:00:06.280 What if I told you that a secret group of leftist cardinals conspired to elect Pope Francis,
00:00:12.080 contravening rules for papal elections?
00:00:14.540 Well, some of you may have already heard of the St. Gallen Mafia,
00:00:18.720 but we have with us an amazing journalist, one of the best researchers I know,
00:00:22.940 who has done a deep dive into the inner workings of this St. Gallen Mafia
00:00:28.080 and what is most startling is how their stated agenda falls totally in line with the Francis papacy.
00:00:36.940 And it's in fact the best way to make sense of the Francis papacy.
00:00:42.680 This is the John Henry Weston Show. You're going to want to stay tuned.
00:00:51.940 Hello, LifeSite friends.
00:00:53.520 To celebrate the momentous overturning of Roe v. Wade,
00:00:56.440 we at LifeSite have minted just under 10,000 brand new limited edition Pro-Life silver rounds.
00:01:03.400 Each round is stamped on the back with an image of the Supreme Court of the United States
00:01:07.600 featuring the date that the High Court delivered this historic victory.
00:01:11.620 And on the front of our pure silver rounds, we feature LifeSite's logo,
00:01:15.680 surrounded by brilliant sunbursts and draped with olive branches.
00:01:18.640 And each round commemorates LifeSite's 25 years of Pro-Life Pro-Family reporting
00:01:23.220 in America, Canada, and beyond.
00:01:25.340 These 1 troy ounce rounds are .999 pure silver, and LifeSite has just under 10,000 in stock.
00:01:32.540 They're beautiful, historic, and forever enshrining the most important American Pro-Life victory of a generation.
00:01:39.100 This first edition LifeSite silver round is the perfect gift for yourself or anyone you love
00:01:45.100 that collects precious metals and is passionately Pro-Life.
00:01:48.660 And each purchase helps directly fund LifeSite's Pro-Life and Pro-Family mission.
00:01:54.740 This is the first precious metals collectible of its kind that is directly supporting LifeSite's worldwide mission
00:02:00.420 that you know, love, and trust.
00:02:02.920 And now it can be yours while limited supplies last.
00:02:06.400 Get your 1 troy ounce rounds of 99% pure silver today by clicking the first link below
00:02:13.040 and celebrate life with all of us at LifeSite News.
00:02:18.280 Julia Maloney, welcome to the program.
00:02:20.500 Hi, thank you so much for having me.
00:02:22.620 Well, let's begin as we always do with the sign of the cross.
00:02:25.320 In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, Amen.
00:02:30.260 Julia, you're very familiar to me because I think you're honestly one of the best researchers that I know.
00:02:37.340 You have a graduate degree from Yale University and then, excuse me, undergrad from Yale and then a master's from Harvard in English.
00:02:47.060 Your research and writing has been impeccable.
00:02:49.920 When you were doing this book, I was eagerly awaiting its publication.
00:02:54.820 So we're there now.
00:02:57.040 And if you wouldn't mind, let's start with a very basic question for you.
00:03:02.860 But what is the Sangallen Mafia?
00:03:04.740 Who is the Sangallen Mafia?
00:03:06.460 So it's a group of high-ranking churchmen.
00:03:09.520 And they started meeting at or near St. Gallen, Switzerland in the mid-1990s.
00:03:17.540 1996 is usually the date we're given for when they officially start.
00:03:21.820 And the figurehead, the dominant personality of the group is Cardinal Carlo Maria Martini.
00:03:30.300 And he had been a Jesuit biblical scholar, and then he became the Archbishop of Milan.
00:03:36.820 And in the 1990s, he was kind of seen as the next pope.
00:03:44.020 At least the world wanted him to be the next pope after Pope John Paul II.
00:03:48.800 And he gave some prominent interviews where he kind of signaled that he was a little flexible, let's say, on things like contraception and women priests and that sort of thing.
00:04:00.780 Kind of just hinting, having a kind of ambiguity that's very suggestive.
00:04:06.500 You could even call it Jesuitical, you know, the way that he would answer questions.
00:04:10.560 So it's right around the same time that he's being, that talk of him as being bandied about as the next pope, that he founds this group called the St. Gallen Mafia.
00:04:23.300 And the then bishop of that area in Switzerland, Ivo Fuhrer, was the person who would host these meetings.
00:04:37.880 And some of the other dominant personalities would be Cardinal Walter Kasper.
00:04:43.240 And he's very familiar to us.
00:04:45.580 He's the German theologian who, of course, had the Kasper proposal for communion for the divorced and simply remarried.
00:04:52.400 He was, he was there, Cardinal, he wasn't a Cardinal then, but Carl Lehman, another German, another, he was actually an assistant at one time to Carl Rahner, one of the dominant towering figures of the Second Vatican Council.
00:05:14.480 And so a lot of these people, they were, they were kind of like the next, they were like the heirs to the Vatican to big personalities.
00:05:24.400 And there were other figures that came in.
00:05:29.420 Cardinal Achilles Silvestrini was an important one.
00:05:33.520 And he was an Italian diplomat and he was very kind of scheming, maneuvering.
00:05:38.660 And he came into the group in, I believe, 2003, because Martini, the man who should have become the next pope, he got Parkinson's disease.
00:05:49.340 And so he had to leave the group, but he still was kind of this spiritual presence for the group.
00:05:57.880 So even though he formally left, allegedly in 2003, he remains kind of the dominant figure throughout all of this.
00:06:06.140 It's amazing.
00:06:06.780 I believe Cardinal McCarrick was there as well.
00:06:08.620 Is that correct?
00:06:09.340 McCarrick is usually not named as a technical member of the group.
00:06:13.680 But people have been covered, especially through interviews with James Grine, who he's kind of the most famous victim of McCarrick.
00:06:27.000 James Grine has talked about how McCarrick spent time in Switzerland, I think in the 1950s.
00:06:33.800 And according to Mr. Grine, McCarrick went to St. Gallen, Switzerland, like every year for like 20 years or something like that.
00:06:46.020 So there's a very, we get to the point where some of this gets very fuzzy and nebulous and it's in the shadows still.
00:06:56.400 And there's still, frankly, further research that needs to be done to clarify what his role was.
00:07:02.580 One of the most fascinating things, and this is where I think people really start to get the connection.
00:07:08.960 For most people, figuring out Pope Francis has been one of the most difficult things.
00:07:14.200 I think almost the whole world was at first, oh, let's give him the benefit of the doubt.
00:07:18.940 You know, no real concerns, a few notable exceptions.
00:07:22.440 But, you know, for me anyways, it was like three days in.
00:07:25.860 I don't know if you recall, but three days in, he first praises Cardinal Caspar.
00:07:30.100 Or the theology on the knees comment.
00:07:33.420 And that's when all the red flags went off, at least for us at LifeSite.
00:07:36.560 It was like, whoa, wait a minute.
00:07:38.300 Cardinal Caspar was the same guy who fought Pope Benedict all those years ago while he was still Ratzinger in the CDF over the issue of communion for the divorce and remarried.
00:07:50.660 But that didn't figure in right away on day three of the papacy.
00:07:53.740 It was more like, oh, here's the theologian who's doing such great theology.
00:07:56.820 And we were like, oh, that's kind of strange.
00:07:59.480 Layout for us was, if you will, Cardinal Caspar and his connection here to Pope Francis.
00:08:05.580 We know from interviews that Caspar has has done and, you know, this is documented in the book.
00:08:12.780 There's there's like over 600 footnotes.
00:08:15.140 So there's quite a lot of documentation here if people want to look any of this up.
00:08:20.500 But we know from interviews that Caspar met Bergoglio when he was a cardinal, I believe, in Argentina, and he actually went back several times and had visits with Bergoglio.
00:08:36.640 So so they have this connection.
00:08:39.460 But this really interesting narrative comes up, which kind of ignores that mysterious prior connection that they had.
00:08:48.420 And basically talks about the famous story that like, oh, in the con, you know, around the time of the 2013 conclave, Caspar had just gotten the Spanish translation, Spanish edition of his book, Mercy.
00:09:05.160 And so he was he went to Bergoglio.
00:09:08.740 Bergoglio happened to be like the room across from him.
00:09:11.720 And so he went to Bergoglio and shared it with him.
00:09:14.340 And then allegedly that was kind of like how he got on on Bergoglio's radar.
00:09:19.780 So this becomes this kind of legend there.
00:09:22.520 And then it becomes this explanatory event to to account for why Pope Francis is praising him three days in.
00:09:32.160 But again, as I said, there appears to have been a prior history of visits.
00:09:37.240 And we know that the mafia was talking about Bergoglio and in 2001, because Bergoglio had been the one of the synodal officials for the October synod that they had on collegiality.
00:09:53.900 And he especially impressed Cardinal Godfrey Daniles, who's who's another important personality in this group.
00:10:03.400 So that's kind of a little bit about that.
00:10:05.400 It's a very interesting history, because what you note about him going to visit Bergoglio.
00:10:11.780 So Caspar and Bergoglio are visiting in Argentina.
00:10:15.300 And nevertheless, we have this then story as if, you know, it comes the whole idea and notion of the, you know, divorce, remarriage communion comes from this beautiful exchange.
00:10:25.600 Pope Francis reads Cardinal Caspar's work and just is so inspired, gets him to lead off the discussion about that issue of divorce, remarriage communion, which then leads to the first extraordinary citizen of the family, second citizen of the family, Morris Letitia, where, of course, the whole of the church teaching gets turned upside down by Pope Francis, led in a way by Cardinal Caspar.
00:10:46.860 But interestingly, they had this connection before.
00:10:50.100 So is this a setup?
00:10:51.360 A setup isn't all that weird, because setups are known to happen with Pope Francis.
00:10:55.660 There's a famous story of, you know, Pope Francis taking the bus, you know, of things.
00:11:04.140 But that was a photo op.
00:11:05.140 He gets dropped off when in Argentina, still as Cardinal, he gets dropped off a couple of blocks before the rectory so he can be shown to walk there.
00:11:13.780 There's a other famous story of him, you know, one of his aides having taken his suitcase, his bag, the Pope's bag, up onto the plane already.
00:11:22.320 And he scolds him and says, no, no, no, I know I wanted to carry it in myself.
00:11:25.960 So there are setups.
00:11:27.400 There's setups big time.
00:11:28.640 We know from when he was in the cafeteria with the cafeteria workers, the Pope went down to meet them.
00:11:34.180 It was all staged.
00:11:35.340 All the cafeteria workers were told they're not allowed to talk to him unless, of course, they're tapped and then they're supposed to be the ones who talk to him.
00:11:41.460 So there's a lot of setup, unfortunately, that has gone on in the Vatican in recent days.
00:11:46.660 But let's deal with this cardinal that you now brought up, because I think Cardinal Daniels is also a very central figure in this whole thing.
00:11:55.520 And in fact, I might ask it this way.
00:11:57.100 Anyway, you're calling them the Sandgallen Mafia.
00:11:59.600 Don't you think that's rather insulting?
00:12:01.080 Why not choose a less pejorative name?
00:12:03.180 We use the name that Daniels gave us.
00:12:07.980 He's the one who confessed everything.
00:12:10.240 He's the one who had the need to boast.
00:12:12.220 His biography was coming out, I believe, in the fall of 2015.
00:12:17.540 And he was on stage and there's video of him where he's just smiling about the fact that, you know, oh, we called ourselves the Mafia.
00:12:31.620 So that's where we, you know, definitely where we get the name from.
00:12:37.140 And Daniels is an incredibly important and disturbing figure because he, for anyone who doesn't know, he had been caught on tape trying to quiet a sexual abuse victim.
00:12:54.080 And this victim was a man who had been abused by his own uncle who became a bishop, a bishop under Daniels.
00:13:03.340 And he had been abused from the age of five to 18.
00:13:08.380 And he can be heard on the tape saying things like, why are you always taking the side of my abuser?
00:13:14.740 I thought I was coming here to get support from you and you're always taking his side.
00:13:20.660 So it's really devastating when you actually look at the transcripts.
00:13:25.980 And yet, nevertheless, he begins speaking about how he had a resurrection.
00:13:33.660 That's his imagery, a resurrection under Pope Francis.
00:13:38.660 And he's very important because I think he's where we get the name Francis from.
00:13:44.620 We talked about, you know, you were talking very eloquently about setups.
00:13:47.900 We all know that, you know, the story of how Pope Francis got his name sounds pretty spontaneous and inspired, right?
00:13:56.060 Because Cardinal Humus says, don't forget the poor.
00:13:59.480 And a light bulb goes, turns on in Cardinal Bergoglio's mind, who's now Pope Francis.
00:14:07.600 And he just decides to become Francis.
00:14:11.260 Well, Daniels, of all people, you know, I document this in the book.
00:14:16.200 In the 1990s, he was talking about how we need a new Francis.
00:14:20.760 Multiple times he has an essay about it.
00:14:23.260 And he was telling people about it as well.
00:14:26.800 We have documentation of that from the New York Times.
00:14:30.220 And right before the 2013 conclave, he gave a press conference and said, we need a Francis.
00:14:38.080 So this is another moment where so many of these moments that appear to be, like, beautifully spontaneous and quaint in that way, they appear to be completely scripted.
00:14:51.940 The spontaneity is completely programmed into them.
00:14:55.200 Just a quick note before we return.
00:14:59.620 If you would like to stay up to date on LifeSite's coverage of the latest life, family, and culture news, subscribe to one of our many newsletters by going to lifesitenews.com slash subscribe.
00:15:09.560 And if you'd like to help us bring our truth-telling coverage to millions around the world, please consider making a one-time or monthly donation at give.lifesitenews.com.
00:15:19.420 And now, back to the video.
00:15:22.620 What's amazing about this and that hugely close connection there between Daniels and Francis is that for all the world, and I mean even the secular world, Daniels should have been a total scandal.
00:15:34.760 The reason why he needed to be resurrected, as he said, by Francis was because he was totally shunted by—well, after he was named Cardinal, but nonetheless—shunted by Pope JP II in the end of his papacy and also Benedict.
00:15:48.240 Why?
00:15:48.500 Because not only is he on record as having been caught, not only covering up, trying to, as you said, silence a victim about the sexual incestuous pedophilia of his uncle, who's a bishop under Daniels, but also because in the Catholic world, he was not pro-life at all.
00:16:13.720 In fact, he okayed the King of Belgium to go ahead and legalize abortion.
00:16:17.640 He actually is public about wearing a rainbow stall.
00:16:22.360 This is a scandal to the faith in so many ways, even the secular way, and yet Francis resurrects him in his own words.
00:16:30.920 Let's go on to another one of these figures that I think is really the central character in the story.
00:16:37.200 And this is where we come up with some of the most—and you lay out some of the most fascinating details that explain Francis, that really, for all those of us who are scratching our heads going,
00:16:48.800 where is he going, where is he going?
00:16:50.400 What is up with this?
00:16:52.080 I can't understand this, Pope.
00:16:54.840 Your book brings a clarity that really is hard to find, and it's because of this connection to the Cardinal you mentioned off the top, Cardinal Martini, Archbishop of Milan.
00:17:07.220 Tell us a little bit more about him and his connection to Pope Francis.
00:17:10.300 He's the center of this book.
00:17:12.840 The book is—it has many different chapters, many different personalities.
00:17:17.460 I try to—for most of the chapters, I try to pick one person to kind of focus on, and then I lay out an issue and a narrative based on that person.
00:17:26.980 So Martini has several chapters, but at the end of the day, he's the catalyst for everything, the center of gravity, and Martini is interesting because we have testimony from Nicholas Diat, who talked to a Cardinal, and the Cardinal indicated that Martini, in the 2005 Conclave, under no circumstances, wanted to support Bergoglio.
00:17:54.540 So Silvestrini, who I mentioned earlier, was kind of spearheading the movement for Bergoglio to be backed by the mafia, but Martini was unpersuadable.
00:18:07.200 He would not support Bergoglio.
00:18:09.240 And then something happened, because if you look at the late Martini, Eugenio Scalfari indicates that when Martini was, you know, getting close to his deathbed in the last couple months, he was talking about the positions that he shared with Bergoglio.
00:18:26.660 And then you also have, we have at least one of his works, again, I cite it in the book, but where Martini is quoting Bergoglio in his works.
00:18:41.660 Bergoglio loved to quote Martini.
00:18:44.100 We know that from Austin Ivory, who's the papal biographer of Francis, but this was the time Martini was quoting Bergoglio.
00:18:52.440 So, they have this interesting dynamic, and then basically, what the book tries to lay out is the case that we have the ghost of Cardinal Martini after he dies.
00:19:06.660 And that phrase, ghost of Cardinal Martini, is a very eloquent phrase that the Vaticanista Edward Penton talks about in one of his pieces.
00:19:17.360 And I think for me, if I can just focus on one particular instance here, we've seen Pope Francis go to Eugenio Scalfari, the atheist, for a lot of interviews, right?
00:19:31.460 Now, there are multiple interviews that Martini gave to Scalfari, and one of the interviews talked about the Pope being the Bishop of Rome.
00:19:46.920 And it also talked about having councils, and they would be serial, and one of them would be, the first one, the most important one to have would be on the divorced.
00:20:00.840 And then the second or third most important one would be on priestly celibacy.
00:20:06.420 If this is ringing a bell...
00:20:08.260 Oh, yeah, it should be. You have Francis, who refers to himself over and over again as the Bishop of Rome.
00:20:13.460 We have this now ongoing synod over and over and over again.
00:20:18.440 And we had the very first, you know, very first one, extraordinary first, on the issue of the family, which was really all about, from its beginning,
00:20:27.580 divorced, remarried communion, and spearheaded by Casper. Continue.
00:20:30.560 We have the Amazon synod that, you know, was supposed to make headway on the ordination of married men.
00:20:37.620 So that's, again, coming from Martini.
00:20:40.000 And the interesting thing is, when Pope Francis gave that kind of bombshell October 2013 interview with Scalfari,
00:20:50.440 one of the first things that he says in that interview is, they're talking about, they're kind of joking, like,
00:20:58.520 Scalfari saying, oh, my friends say you want to convert me. And then Pope Francis assures him he doesn't want to convert him.
00:21:06.580 And then he says proselytism is solemn nonsense, according to the interview, of course.
00:21:13.740 In the Scalfari-Martini interview from, I believe, somewhere around 2009,
00:21:21.260 this one that was talking about a council for the divorced,
00:21:23.680 a very similar thing happens at the beginning, where Martini says, don't worry, I'm not going to proselytize you.
00:21:31.740 So it's like very, a very tight connection between the two, I think.
00:21:37.200 It's amazing, you know, the layout of your book showing basically the plans of the Sangalan Mafia, 0.99
00:21:45.320 particularly of Martini, but also even his mentor, layout, and it's even called A Hundred Days of the First Pope,
00:21:54.580 but the absolute lockstep fashion in which this seems to be rolled out is incredible.
00:22:01.320 One of the things, for instance, that struck me was the issue of the red shoes.
00:22:05.200 Everybody remembers Francis Garburit of the red shoes.
00:22:08.120 But where was that in discussion by the Sangalan Mafia?
00:22:11.880 We have somewhere where Casper was joking about the red shoes.
00:22:15.980 And then we have, I found some testimony where his Martini's sister was talking about how Martini, 0.99
00:22:23.780 you know, as early as like the early 1980s, you know, he didn't like the red socks.
00:22:30.400 And I mean, this, this fixation seems, it seems kind of silly, right?
00:22:36.080 The, the different, talking about different items of clothing and everything.
00:22:41.300 But to, to these men, it was symbolic of a monarchical princely church versus a down to earth,
00:22:51.040 so-called humble church.
00:22:53.900 And the book tries to kind of lay out how we can, we can look at things like the choices about the shoes and everything
00:23:03.540 and see a symbolism and see how that eventually gets us to the type of person who wants to do that
00:23:12.780 is the same type of person who might wave a white flag of surrender and to the, to the dictatorship of relativism as, as Benedict called it.
00:23:22.660 I think one of the most striking things about Pope Francis was one of, in one of the very first interviews,
00:23:29.780 the world was introduced to him and it was so revolutionary.
00:23:33.940 His comment about homosexuality and same-sex civil relationships is saying, who am I to judge?
00:23:41.040 And if that's, that's, that's basically emblematic of Pope Francis, not only on the issue of homosexuality,
00:23:48.540 but it's sort of like on everything immoral.
00:23:51.400 But even that has its origin, not in Pope Francis, but in Martini, if you wouldn't mind explaining.
00:23:59.980 This is something that the, the Italian author that, um, Antonio Sochi, uh, really registers and, and wrote it, wrote about, um, basically there's this eerie echo that you can hear when you take, who am I to judge?
00:24:19.680 And then you take something that Martini said, which is, I would never think of judging, um, a same-sex couple.
00:24:29.720 Um, I'm loosely paraphrasing it, but the idea, um, I, I would never think to judge that is there.
00:24:38.840 And, um, so she heard the connection and he actually, he has a book where, um, I forget which one of the books it is, but, um, where he, he takes a bunch of statements from Pope Francis and just puts them side by side with statements from Martini.
00:24:58.280 And he basically says, you know, Francis seems to be using Martini's book, Night, Night Conversations as a kind of canvas.
00:25:09.880 Um, and, and again, I, I mentioned before, but we, we know from Austin Ivory, the papal biographer, and he was actually the spokesperson for Murph, Cardinal Cormac Murphy O'Connor, who's another mafia member.
00:25:24.380 But, um, we know from him that, that, that, that Bergoglio loved to quote Martini.
00:25:31.560 So, um, sometimes he'll quote, even as Pope now, sometimes he will quote Martini explicitly.
00:25:38.160 And he did that, I think in December, I want to say 2021, if it, if it wasn't 2021, it was 2020.
00:25:46.120 But he, he quotes Martini's last speech where Martini was saying, like, you know, the church is 200 years behind.
00:25:54.440 Why won't the church rouse itself?
00:25:56.960 So he explicitly talks about, says that this is from Cardinal Martini.
00:26:01.140 But then he has these other moments where he says things like, um, we, we need to listen to, um, the, the, the, the God of surprises, the surprises of the Holy Spirit, that sort of thing.
00:26:13.880 Martini is on record talking about the surprises of the Holy Spirit.
00:26:19.020 So it's, it's very, it's very pervasive, definitely.
00:26:23.320 I want to conclude with this, encourage people really to go out and get your book, uh, Sangala Mafia, available from TAN Books and Publishers, uh, really faithful publishing house.
00:26:34.400 Uh, congratulations on the work, by the way, just amazing.
00:26:36.580 But tell us, because this gives us sort of, um, an indication of where Francis is coming from, one of the big questions we're left with is, where are we heading to?
00:26:48.580 So from your research into the Sangala Mafia, where is this going?
00:26:52.880 What's the end goal here?
00:26:54.640 When I finished editing the book, it was the summer.
00:26:57.820 It was, I think, beginning of July.
00:27:00.780 And just like maybe two weeks later, um, was when Tradiciones Custodas came out.
00:27:07.240 And it's obviously, you know, this, this kind of attack on the, the traditional Latin mass has obviously, um, you know, it appears to be a devastating one.
00:27:18.280 And I think Peter Kwasniewski compared it to a, kind of like an, an atomic bomb, basically.
00:27:25.560 And, um, I was, you know, even as someone who has studied the, the mafia for this book, you know, I, I was surprised by what a, what a bombshell, um, you know, that this development was.
00:27:39.700 And I, I wrote kind of an article that I kind of view as kind of an afterword, um, or companion to the book, because it just talks about how the, the mafia also had a, a kind of war against the traditional Latin mass and Pope Benedict's Summorum Pontificum, um, which, which, um, tried to make it more wild, widely available.
00:28:04.380 Um, so I think this is, you know, one of the major battlegrounds that, um, is, you know, even, it's even worse than I, than I could have anticipated and predicted.
00:28:15.440 And then we have the synod on synodality, this kind of two-year process.
00:28:20.340 And that, that just screams Martini because Martini, um, had this 1999 dream speech where he, he basically laid out the groundwork for a series of synods.
00:28:34.380 Um, so this was before the Scalfari interview that talked about the council on the divorce and it used code words, but you can read into it.
00:28:43.760 And it's basically the same thing we were talking about.
00:28:45.900 It's things like deaconesses and priestly, priestly celibacy and that sort of thing.
00:28:51.240 But, um, to, to, to make, to focus so much on making the church synodal, I, I think it's incredible.
00:28:59.460 It's also incredibly devastating because, um, Edward Penton has a really great article about how some experts are comparing permanent synodality, which is Martini's idea to permanent revolution.
00:29:14.860 So, um, to me, what I say to people is these two things, traditionus custodius and the synod on synodality.
00:29:23.760 Um, it's, it's like the mood of an end game.
00:29:26.240 I mean, these are, these are the prizes now.
00:29:29.760 And, um, I, I, yeah, I'm, I'm incredibly worried.
00:29:35.080 And I think we need to just have a lot of, um, vigilance about this and continue to, to speak out.
00:29:43.480 We've, we've done this before with other synods and I think we can, we can do it again, just, you know, monitoring the situation very, very carefully.
00:29:51.660 Julia, I know you as a very faithful Catholic, uh, someone who's very learned and studied and, and you've done a lot of research into this.
00:30:00.480 You've seen the muck of things in a way that few people have, how do you maintain your hope?
00:30:06.080 And, uh, what do you see as, uh, the real end to all of this?
00:30:10.740 A couple of years ago, I think, I think you guys, LifeSite published, um, a reflection that Matthew McCusker from, I believe, Voice of the Family did about, um, how it's, it's important when you're in the pro-life, pro-family.
00:30:29.160 Um, any, any, any one of these movements, it's very important to, um, have something concrete that keeps you hopeful, um, because it's, it's very, you know, it's, it's very spiritually exhausting work to have to, to deal with this all the time.
00:30:47.720 And, um, and he talks specifically about Fatima and the First Saturday's Devotion.
00:30:53.560 And, um, that, that's something that's really important to me.
00:30:57.980 Um, I, I like to tell people one kind of way to live out the First Saturday's Devotion is if you can do it one time, all, all five Saturdays, you know, you might try doing it kind of like a perpetual first, first Saturday, um, devotion.
00:31:15.500 So I've done that when I can, where I'll just do another five Saturdays.
00:31:19.860 And then if I can, I'll do another five Saturdays, but that's something concrete that I think kind of keeps us, gives us graces to continue on.
00:31:29.800 Um, and in terms of how this ends, um, it ends with, with the, the triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary.
00:31:36.060 So that's why it's so important.
00:31:38.220 Um, it's important to remember Martini and the St. Gallin Mafia, they, they don't have the last, the last word on any of this.
00:31:46.820 And it's, it's up to us to be faithful to our vocations and, um, to try to, to do as Our Lady has asked and to just have hope that, that we will see what she has promised.
00:32:02.340 Amen.
00:32:03.540 Julia Maloney, thank you so much for being with us on this episode of the John Hinder-Weston Show.
00:32:07.880 Thank you so much for having me.
00:32:10.220 May God bless you.
00:32:11.560 Thank you.
00:32:12.500 And God bless all of you.
00:32:13.580 We'll see you next time and make sure to go get Julia's book.
00:32:18.920 Hi everyone.
00:32:19.680 This is John Henry Weston.
00:32:20.680 We hope you enjoyed this program.
00:32:22.440 To see more like it, be sure to hit the subscribe button below to get all the latest content from LifeSite News.
00:32:28.000 Check the links in the description to read more and connect with us on social media so that you can stay up to date with all the latest life, family, faith, and freedom news.
00:32:36.360 Thanks for watching and may God bless you.
00:32:43.580 Thanks for listening.