The John-Henry Westen Show - Taking on the Globalists’ Abortion Idolatry. Daring activist speaks out.

00:00:00.000 This is a big lie. The Bosch industry always uses the weakest spot of humans in order to bring in their deadly ideology.

00:00:11.600 In this case, they say, well, you care for children, but you also have to care for the grown-up, for the mother.

00:00:17.000 If you really care for the mother, you don't want her to die.

00:00:20.000 And they act as if this would be a common problem, that the people die. It's not.

00:00:24.600 In Malta, we have black and white, again, zero mortality for more than a decade already, just because of normal health care.

00:00:34.600 Alexander Chuguel, he is the one who rocketed to international fame when he confronted the pagan worship and idolatry permitted by Pope Francis in the Vatican.

00:00:44.600 He's widely known as the Pachamama Destroyer. He's been praised by cardinals for his zeal.

00:00:52.600 Alexander stood for true orthodoxy, hurling the Pachamama idols into the Tiber River. 1.00

00:00:59.600 Now, in this special edition of the John Henry Weston Show, LifeSite News' Austrian correspondent Andreas Welzer speaks firsthand with Alexander Chuguel,

00:01:08.600 getting his personal experience of what we need to do to save the West from idolatry, pagan worship, and the many ideologies, pro-abortion and otherwise, pushed by globalists.

00:01:20.600 You, our faithful supporters and viewers, stand in the breach. Stay tuned. You're not going to miss this one.

00:01:26.600 I'm John Henry Weston, and this is the John Henry Weston Show.

00:01:33.600 I'm here with Alexander Chuguel. Many know you for throwing the Pachamama statues into the Tiber back in 2019, but that's not what you usually do on a day-to-day basis.

00:01:45.600 You're a pro-life activist and you have been for many years and a leader in the pro-life movement.

00:01:50.600 And right now there's a big fight in Austria that maybe many people haven't heard of in the state of Tyrol.

00:01:57.600 There's an abortion law that could be introduced that could basically introduce state-funded abortion.

00:02:03.600 And what is going on there? And you're, as far as I know, leading a campaign right now to prevent this law or to fight this law.

00:02:11.600 And can you talk a bit about that and what exactly is going on here?

00:02:15.600 Yes. So what we see in Tyrol is a very severe attack on the right to life, especially as everything we will see now maybe being introduced in Tyrol will definitely be introduced in a not so far future in the rest of Austria as well.

00:02:34.600 So if we talk about Tyrol, please keep in mind that it's always about the whole country and therefore always about all of Europe, because you know how it works.

00:02:41.600 They try to implement certain pro-abortion rules in different parts of Europe and then start a legal process by saying, well, but in this member state of the European Union, it's legal.

00:02:52.600 Why it's not in my member state, etc. Good. So what they do in Tyrol is there is a government between the so-called Conservative Party, ÖVP, the Österreichische Volkspartei, and the Socialist Party, SPÖ.

00:03:04.600 And in this coalition program they issued, they say that one of their goals is to make sure that every woman always has the right to decide whether she wants abortion or not.

00:03:19.600 That's one of the main sentences of the program. And in addition to this, they say that in order to ensure this, they either have to support and to help private abortionists so that they can grow and that maybe more private abortionists come to the role and erect abortion clinics there, or they have to do this via public hospital.

00:03:46.600 So that's one of the two ideas they had. Maybe just to give you a status quo in Tyrol right now, we talk about 700 to 1000 abortions every year, and we talk about one doctor performing them.

00:03:58.600 There's one doctor named Dr. Wolf, and he performs them. So the situation is, as you see, not as easy for the abortionists as there are hardly any doctors who want to perform abortions, obviously.

00:04:10.600 Because the more, the better actually your science gets, the closer you see that this is life from the very conception up until the natural end in general.

00:04:22.600 So it's very difficult for them to find new abortionists. So the situation is that they now ask in public, one part of the, one member of the coalition parties from the Socialist Party asked now publicly to introduce a new law saying that every abortion must be funded by the public insurance system.

00:04:41.600 What we call Abtreibung auf Krankenschein is the German term for this. It means abortion must be paid by the insurance, which therefore means everyone pays for abortion, because as you know, in the United States, it's a little bit different.

00:04:55.600 But in Austria, we have, we cannot opt out of our insurance, we have to pay the insurance. So that's one of the situations, one of the, one of the, one of the things. And obviously, it's a little bit difficult to introduce such a law because you cannot say, okay, now everyone has to pay for a certain, a certain decision of certain people, even though our law officially considers abortion still a crime.

00:05:19.600 So it's very difficult, even though, I don't know, you know, the legal, legal status in Austria, it's officially a crime, but you're not punished for the crime, if you follow certain rules, and the rules are unfortunately very, very open and are getting more and more open every year.

00:05:32.600 Good. So that's the situation. So what lies behind this idea of the socialist is obviously that they want to push the agenda they have in the coalition program.

00:05:42.600 And the agenda in the coalition program is not this, but to introduce abortion, to make sure abortion is available always in every part of their own. So that's the whole fight. What are we doing? I'm not the main initiator behind the campaign, but we're supporting a campaign done by a wonderful pro-life organization, Jugend für das Leben, founded already decades ago. It's the oldest, I think one of the oldest pro-life organizations in Austria. I'm also a member of them.

00:06:09.600 And the Jugend für das Leben started a campaign where they organized a demonstration on the 14th of January, so the weekend after Epiphany, in order to state very clearly that Tyrol cannot, the Tyrolians especially, cannot allow this to happen.

00:06:25.640 So we decided to support them. So we decided to support them as we always do.

00:06:30.640 So as you know, I was working with March for Life, so obviously March for Life also helps them and is part of the organization committee.

00:06:40.640 But also I'm part of the help in a way that I try to get as many Catholics as possible to see what's going on there and to also understand that if they do not fight abortion, they will not win any other fight.

00:06:57.640 If you do not defend the unborn life, you should not go out and pretend that you can win any other political fight. It's impossible.

00:07:03.640 If you do not defend the most innocent unborn, you cannot pretend and defend anyone else. It's just impossible.

00:07:10.640 So that's my situation right now. We are rallying as much as we can in order to get as many people as possible on the 14th of January on the streets of Innsbruck to demonstrate against this terrible law.

00:07:22.640 Okay, thank you. Why is Tyrol? I think it's especially important to you and also to Austria in general.

00:07:32.640 It's called the Holy Land of Tyrol sometimes because it's like the Catholic lung of Austria. It used to be for a long time. 0.96

00:07:41.640 Why is it so important to you and so shocking that they are now trying to introduce this terrible law?

00:07:48.640 Well, there is quite some family importance to me because my family origins from Tyrol, so that's where my roots are.

00:07:55.640 Even though I was born and raised in Vienna, my family origins in Tyrol and I have lots of connections there.

00:08:02.640 I went there with my family every summer and things like this. So yes, Tyrol is important for me.

00:08:07.640 The Holy Land of Tyrol, the reason why we call it this is that in the past we did not only see amazing, amazing high numbers of priestly vocations and non-vocations and friars, etc.

00:08:23.640 We had one of the highest density of priesthood in all of Europe was in Tyrol, which is quite amazing.

00:08:30.640 And from ancient times, Tyrol was always Catholic.

00:08:35.640 So in Tyrol, we had once, obviously during the Protestant Revolution, there was a very, very short Protestant phase, but it never went through like it did in many other parts of society.

00:08:46.640 And the interesting aspect about this is that not only in Tyrol, if you go, Tyrol is a, you know, Tyrol is a mountain country, so we have tons of mountains there, very high mountains, very beautiful mountains.

00:08:58.640 And in Tyrol, if you go in the main valleys of Tyrol, you can really climb any hilltop you find and you will find 20 to 30 to 40 churches, chapels everywhere.

00:09:10.640 It's one of the, one of the countries where you cannot really move more than 100 meters without discovering a new church or a new cross or something.

00:09:18.640 And it's not strange. It's part of the, of the tradition and the blood of the Tyrolians to be Catholic.

00:09:24.640 Why do we call them not only the, why was the holy country of Tyrol, the holy land of Tyrol?

00:09:31.640 And there was many reasons for this, but one of the reasons is that when the Freemasons and revolutionaries from the French Revolution brought forward and pushed their revolutionary agenda, the Tyrolians resisted quite a lot.

00:09:43.640 And when then Napoleon came in, made an alliance with the Bavarians and through the Bavarians tried to force Catholicism out of the Tyrolians. 0.53

00:09:52.640 And by the way, tried to introduce the first vaccine mandate in history in Tyrol. Very interesting.

00:09:57.640 He wanted to force vaccinate the Tyrolians and was a very, very brave father of the Capocin father, who gave really brilliant, brilliant homilies against it. 0.95

00:10:08.640 Where he said, if you accept the forced vaccination, you actually accept Protestantism and you actually reject the Catholic understanding of, of, of, of also health and life.

00:10:18.640 It's very interesting that Tyrol fought this battle 200 years ago already.

00:10:21.640 And the hero of this Tyrolian battle was a farmer, a farmer named Andreas Hofer. Andreas Hofer, every Austrian knows him, obviously, used to know him.

00:10:32.640 Let's put it, maybe, unfortunately, the young generation doesn't learn about him.

00:10:36.640 But Andreas Hofer was a very pious man. He prayed the rosary every day. He went to confession very regularly.

00:10:42.640 He attended mass as often as he could. He tried to go there every day if possible.

00:10:45.640 And he then started to form a resistance against the Bavarian slash French troops.

00:10:51.640 It was most Bavarian there. And this resistance was extremely successful. 0.99

00:10:56.640 And why was this resistance so successful? So, at the end of the day, they lost the war because he was betrayed by someone who was pried for money and was then kicked out of Tyrol and was dying completely alone outside of Tyrol.

00:11:11.640 Poor man, Mr. Raffer is his name. He is called, by the way, the Judas of Tyrol is the one who betrayed Andreas Hofer.

00:11:19.640 So, the interesting thing about him was when he was betrayed and he was killed, he was executed, even then the Tyrolians did not lose the fight here.

00:11:29.640 They did not lose it in their minds. They did not lose it in their family, etc.

00:11:33.640 They stayed Tyrolian, they stayed Catholic, especially through this whole time of persecution.

00:11:37.640 And how did he do it? By introducing a very, very, it was already there, but he was one of the main proponents of it.

00:11:44.640 By introducing a very good understanding of the Sacred Heart of Jesus.

00:11:48.640 So, like we saw in the Vendée, the resistance in the Vendée against the French Revolution and against everything coming from the French Revolution,

00:11:55.640 we see exactly the same thing happening in Austria, in Tyrol.

00:11:59.640 That's the reason why we call it the Holy Land of Tyrol.

00:12:02.640 Because we see that it was the Sacred Heart of Jesus leading the people into battle in a very, very good way.

00:12:08.640 Not brutal at all. Very strong and very committed. And they won the biggest fight of all.

00:12:14.640 They did not reject their religion. They did not lose their faith.

00:12:17.640 And they stayed faithful up in the end.

00:12:19.640 Tyrol was, up to the Second Vatican Council, the part of Austria we normally got the most priestly vocations from.

00:12:26.640 In every family. I do not know any Catholic Tyrol family who do not actively know that one of their relatives was a priest.

00:12:33.640 It's more or less impossible to find such a thing in Tyrol.

00:12:37.640 Yeah, thank you. It's amazing. It's even more sad that this is happening now in Tyrol.

00:12:43.640 And another thing that's really sad and disappointing that one of the parties you mentioned, the ÖVP, the Austrian People's Party.

00:12:51.640 They are part of this government coalition that is trying to introduce this law now.

00:12:56.640 And they're known as the Conservative Party in Austria.

00:12:59.640 And they used to be actually very Catholic 50, 60 years ago still.

00:13:04.640 And now we've seen that they've really betrayed a lot of the conservative values and Christian values.

00:13:12.640 Especially on these life and family issues as we see here.

00:13:18.640 What happened here? What is your view here?

00:13:21.640 Because this is something that's happening or that has happened across Europe.

00:13:25.640 We have this in Germany. It's the same situation with the CDU, with the Christian Democrats in Germany and with the Tories in Britain.

00:13:31.640 It's also kind of the same that these so-called conservative parties have really, you know, lost touch with Christian values, especially when it comes to family values, traditional family values and life values and so on.

00:13:44.640 What is your view on that? And why is that happening?

00:13:48.640 What's up with these conservative parties in Western Europe?

00:13:52.640 Yeah.

00:13:53.640 So there are two things I want to add in order to understand a little bit the history of those parties.

00:13:58.640 All those parties, the CDU in Germany as well, which means the Christian Democratic Union and also the CSU, so the counterpart in Bavaria, the Christian Social Union.

00:14:10.640 Both, as the ÖVP, have as their traditional colour black.

00:14:15.640 And the reason why they have black is because the black refers to the black castle of the priests. 0.64

00:14:20.640 So this was not only a Christian party, it was really rooted in Catholicism.

00:14:25.640 It's very interesting to see.

00:14:26.640 And also, if you now look back in history and look at the main heroes of the times after the Second World War, after Hitler,

00:14:33.640 all of them came from these backgrounds where Catholics, for example, in Germany was Konrad Adenauer.

00:14:38.640 Very, very faithful Catholic who tried to go to mass every day, who prayed the rosary in his office and so on.

00:14:44.640 He was famous for this.

00:14:45.640 In Austria, we had people like Leopold Fiegel, et cetera, who led the rosary possessions, you know, the rosary reparation crusades together with a servant of God, Pater Petrus Pavlicek.

00:14:54.640 So we had all those things, a very big heritage of Catholic tradition, Catholic faith.

00:15:01.640 And then a few things happened.

00:15:02.640 First of all, when the corruption inside the structures of the church happened, it also happened there.

00:15:07.640 We cannot separate this.

00:15:08.640 We cannot separate this.

00:15:09.640 So when we see that a revolutionary process, a revolutionary process suddenly happens inside traditional structures like into the parish and diocese structure,

00:15:18.640 inside different foundations and different, you know, old ancient organizations, orders, et cetera.

00:15:25.640 The same thing obviously happens also for them who work together with them.

00:15:28.640 So unfortunately, the loss of faith in the clergy can be wonderfully seen here.

00:15:34.640 But you can just look at the loss of faith at these parties.

00:15:38.640 So the main reason why those so-called conservative parties are not conservative anymore and actually one of our biggest problems are two.

00:15:47.640 First of all, they still call themselves conservative and they still officially are Christian.

00:15:51.640 So the first, if you look at the parties program of the ÖVP, the first, very first sentence of the party program is that they are a Christian party.

00:15:59.640 That the Christian principles are their principles.

00:16:01.640 And they betray the Christian principles every day. 0.99

00:16:04.640 In this coalition program, you see it black and white.

00:16:07.640 It says that there is no doubt, it says, that abortion must always be the pure right of the woman.

00:16:18.640 That's it.

00:16:19.640 It says without doubt.

00:16:21.640 That's what they say.

00:16:22.640 So they say, contrary to their own parties program, obviously, that abortion is now considered the right of the women.

00:16:30.640 Obviously, we know why this is the big abortion. 0.96

00:16:33.640 They call abortion human right more or less already.

00:16:35.640 And that's what they want to press.

00:16:37.640 So that's one thing.

00:16:39.640 The biggest problem with those parties is that they betray us.

00:16:43.640 It's in every war.

00:16:44.640 If you have, let's say, let's talk about medieval wars.

00:16:47.640 It's a little bit easier to talk about them.

00:16:49.640 You have a city, you have a wall, and then you have some grounds around the city wall.

00:16:53.640 And then outside somewhere the enemy comes closer and closer and closer.

00:16:56.640 The enemy is not your biggest problem.

00:16:59.640 It is obviously a big problem, but the enemy shows your own problems.

00:17:03.640 That's the main thing.

00:17:04.640 So if the enemy comes and you know, I did a very good preparation with my wall.

00:17:08.640 The people inside the city are living happily together, have a good fundament of faith, a good fundament of trust where they can work with each other.

00:17:17.640 And there are good structures around the city, which help us getting food inside the city, even if there is the enemy outside through, I don't know, hidden tunnels, whatever.

00:17:25.640 Then you would never have a problem.

00:17:26.640 You can win even against very big enemies.

00:17:29.640 The problem is that the people who betray you most are within your own roles, more or less, the people who are in your army.

00:17:38.640 And the main problem with the ÖVP is that they still, in every election campaign, send out one or two or three or four politicians which played the Catholic Christian card in order to attract those voters.

00:17:50.640 And this needs to stop. It needs to stop.

00:17:52.640 And this is really black and white.

00:17:54.640 We see it now.

00:17:55.640 There's no doubt about it.

00:17:56.640 We don't have it.

00:17:57.640 It's not a conspiracy theory.

00:17:58.640 You can just read the coalition program.

00:17:59.640 That's actually it.

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00:18:24.640 And now, back to the video.

00:18:27.640 It's really, like you said, it's sort of an attack from within, within people who proclaim to be Christians or claim to be Christians.

00:18:35.640 And yeah, so, but other than that, there's other pro-life fights going on in Europe, obviously all the time.

00:18:44.640 We've just seen one huge fight and we've seen a huge protest in Malta because Malta, it's a small country, but they had one of the biggest pro-life protests ever probably.

00:18:54.640 And especially if you compare it to, to the size of the country with 20,000 people and they protested against a law that could, you know, allow abortion for the first time.

00:19:03.640 Because in Malta it's until now, it has been outlawed completely, but now they could introduce, you know, abortion for health reasons, which critics say could mean everything.

00:19:12.640 I mean, it could mean mental health.

00:19:14.640 It could mean, you know, it could basically mean abortion until birth.

00:19:17.640 If, you know, if you find the right health reasons to do it.

00:19:22.640 And the president of Malta, a brave man, I think, has said that he is willing to resign if he would.

00:19:30.640 So if he would have to sign this law, he said he'd rather resign than sign this law, basically.

00:19:35.640 And there are other fights, like there are legal cases all the time at the European courts for human rights against the Polish pro-life laws.

00:19:44.640 Because as most people will probably know, Poland also has very strong pro-life laws, one of the strongest in Europe.

00:19:50.640 And in Germany, it's very bad because in Germany has a very pro-abortion, anti-family, you know, government right now.

00:19:59.640 And they are trying to, well, they already abolished the so-called advertising ban on abortion.

00:20:06.640 And now they plan to, or they've said it several times, that they want to decriminalize abortion completely.

00:20:13.640 And what do you, these are some examples of the fights going on.

00:20:17.640 And what are the most important fights in Europe, in your opinion?

00:20:21.640 And how do you see maybe the biggest dangers and chances that you have in Europe right now in the pro-life movement? 0.51

00:20:28.640 Let me talk about the three examples you brought up, because I think they're all very good examples.

00:20:33.640 I have in front of me a press release about the thing going on in Malta.

00:20:38.640 The thing, it's a wrong word for it, was one of the biggest and best protests I've ever seen in the whole pro-life movement.

00:20:44.640 It's really amazing, very well organized, etc.

00:20:47.640 And it's interesting because 20,000 people, more than 20,000 people going on the streets in Malta is really four or five percent of the population, which is quite something.

00:20:57.640 Because just imagine you have five percent of the population of any country on the streets.

00:21:00.640 This is, we would consider this a very, very serious protest.

00:21:04.640 So that's one thing.

00:21:05.640 The main argument they use in Malta in order to introduce abortion as a health issue, as I already said, is that they say, well, we need to reduce maternal mortality.

00:21:15.640 The maternal mortality in Malta is zero for more than 10 years already, just by taking care of the women in a normal medical way. 0.69

00:21:25.640 This is a big lie.

00:21:27.640 The abortion industry always uses the weakest spot of humans in order to bring in their deadly ideology. 0.91

00:21:37.640 In this case, they say, well, you care for children, but you also have to care for the grown-up, for the mother.

00:21:42.640 If you really care for the mother, you don't want her to die.

00:21:45.640 And they act as if this would be a common problem that the people die.

00:21:49.640 It's not.

00:21:50.640 In Malta, we have black and white.

00:21:52.640 Again, zero mortality for more than a decade already, just because of normal health care.

00:21:58.640 So, yeah, that's definitely not a reason.

00:22:01.640 But Poland, I don't want to engage too much here because there are tons of fights going on.

00:22:05.640 But the interesting aspect about Poland is that the Polish society rejects abortion mainly.

00:22:09.640 So, if you go to Poland, I guess you know lots of Polish people.

00:22:13.640 The average Polish guy is Catholic.

00:22:15.640 And obviously, after the example of John Paul II, especially in the resistance times in communism,

00:22:21.640 the Polish people really understood that if they reject Catholicism, they reject the last thing keeping them actually up,

00:22:29.640 keeping also the spirits up against communism.

00:22:32.640 So, they understood.

00:22:33.640 Catholic faith is the cure for communism. 1.00

00:22:35.640 That's what they understood.

00:22:36.640 And up until today, you see that this does shape the mentality of the Polish people quite a lot,

00:22:42.640 so that they were ready to implement new anti-abortion laws.

00:22:45.640 And that's the amazing thing about it.

00:22:47.640 They do not defend old laws.

00:22:48.640 They implement the new ones.

00:22:49.640 That's really amazing.

00:22:50.640 And obviously, it got attacked heavily by the EU structures, especially by Ursula von der Leyen right now, 1.00

00:22:56.640 who shames her in every document they put out and wants to take money away from them 0.98

00:23:03.640 and ask them to pay fines and things like this, and says that they are not allowed to do this.

00:23:08.640 It's against the EU constitution, whatever this is.

00:23:10.640 The president of the EU commission, Ursula von der Leyen.

00:23:13.640 Yes, the president of the EU commission, obviously Ursula von der Leyen.

00:23:17.640 So, that's about Poland. 0.57

00:23:18.640 It's quite interesting.

00:23:19.640 It's a big fight.

00:23:20.640 And I have to say that Poland is a very interesting country.

00:23:23.640 And many people don't understand that there are 40 million people living there.

00:23:28.640 So, it's huge.

00:23:29.640 It's really big.

00:23:30.640 So, Germany has double the numbers, but Poland is really big.

00:23:33.640 Austria only has 9 million inhabitants.

00:23:35.640 So, this really shows you a little bit of the scale.

00:23:37.640 About Germany.

00:23:38.640 Well, in Germany, we have the same situation as in Austria.

00:23:40.640 So, abortion is officially considered illegal, but it's now being opened through exemptions

00:23:46.640 all the time.

00:23:47.640 So, first, abortion in Germany was actually a very good law. 0.73

00:23:50.640 They said that abortion is not only illegal, but also, if it's now opened, it's not even

00:23:56.640 there because it is illegal.

00:23:58.640 You're not allowed to make any advertisement for it.

00:24:00.640 And you see the difference, unfortunately.

00:24:02.640 Now, they are allowed to do it.

00:24:03.640 And now, this whole culture of life comes into the public sphere officially.

00:24:07.640 That's different.

00:24:08.640 Before that, it had to come sideways and they had to go around a little bit and now it's

00:24:15.640 official.

00:24:16.640 About Germany, what can I say?

00:24:17.640 The pro-life movement in Germany is growing.

00:24:19.640 So, we had this big March for Life in Berlin always.

00:24:22.640 And now, there's a second March for Life which came up in Munich as well.

00:24:25.640 One has to know, obviously, that Berlin and Munich are quite far away from each other.

00:24:28.640 So, I think it's quite natural that there are now two places where this happened.

00:24:32.640 And I think we will see this popping up in many other parts of the country.

00:24:35.640 And now, many Germans step-by-step understand that they need to fight for this way more

00:24:41.640 than they used to.

00:24:42.640 Because one has to really understand that the German mind does not encourage protesting

00:24:48.640 on the street a lot.

00:24:50.640 They are not French people and they are not Italians and so they are all used to go to 1.00

00:24:54.640 the streets.

00:24:55.640 Germans do not. 0.99

00:24:56.640 So, Germany always takes ages. 0.81

00:24:57.640 But I want to add, because many people always lose hope in Germany, that inside Germany

00:25:01.640 we have tons of really highly intelligent, very professional people who fight for their

00:25:06.640 life and against the killing of unborn children in their mother's womb.

00:25:10.640 And it's amazing to see how much support you actually get from the pro-life circus in Germany.

00:25:14.640 They are way bigger than you think.

00:25:16.640 It's just that, unfortunately, with a leftist government, you cannot expect anything happening

00:25:20.640 right now on the government level.

00:25:23.640 It's impossible.

00:25:24.640 So, one of the biggest things I had the chance that one of the people working for us did a

00:25:30.640 little research on right now the state of the argumentation.

00:25:34.640 I want to bring a few arguments to just show you what the leftists try to implement right

00:25:39.640 now and how they argue.

00:25:40.640 They say that there is a very bad, that there are not enough abortion places available, safe

00:25:47.640 abortion places, and therefore abortions are unfortunately unsafe and deadly.

00:25:53.640 Isn't it the biggest joke of history?

00:25:55.640 It's unfortunately deadly to kill a child.

00:25:58.640 Well, yeah.

00:25:59.640 I could have told you that before.

00:26:01.640 It's deadly.

00:26:02.640 So, it's interesting that they argue like this.

00:26:04.640 I have a few things to say to this, but let's just go through the argumentation first.

00:26:07.640 Then they say, unfortunately, it costs way too much.

00:26:10.640 I can give you a number.

00:26:11.640 In Austria, for example, an abortion costs between €700 and €1,000.

00:26:15.640 That's more or less the rough estimate.

00:26:17.640 I give you another number.

00:26:18.640 If you give birth to a child and have all those payments, this costs you more.

00:26:25.640 So, it's interesting to see.

00:26:26.640 So, the killing of the child is obviously way cheaper than keeping the child, and that's

00:26:30.640 obviously a problem.

00:26:31.640 So, that's the reason why I think, by the way, that the Hungarian policy of helping the

00:26:36.640 families by lifting taxes of them is a very, very good one because that makes families

00:26:42.640 way more competent and way more also secure and safe to go on and continue caring for

00:26:47.640 the children.

00:26:48.640 And also having babies, which is such an important matter nowadays.

00:26:52.640 Then they say that there are no, that contraceptives are not for free and that they have to pay

00:26:58.640 for them.

00:26:59.640 And that's the reason why many people do not afford them.

00:27:01.640 And that's the reason why many people get pregnant without wanting it. 1.00

00:27:04.640 One of the biggest misconceptions, you cannot get pregnant without wanting it except for 0.99

00:27:08.640 rape because you want to sleep with someone. 0.78

00:27:11.640 That's it. 0.94

00:27:12.640 If you're not, rape is a different thing in this regards, but everything else, there is

00:27:16.640 not such a thing as unwanted pregnancy except rape. 0.74

00:27:18.640 It's actually not even possible because, as you know.

00:27:22.640 No.

00:27:23.640 So, the thing is that, yeah, you might not consider this outcome of your sexual intercourse.

00:27:29.640 But if you understand anything about biology, then you know that this is a possible outcome 0.86

00:27:34.640 of your sexual intercourse. 0.98

00:27:35.640 So, there is not such a thing as real unwanted pregnancies.

00:27:38.640 Then they say it's important for the, how do you say, the fulfillment, the self-fulfillment

00:27:44.640 of women so that they have the possibility only to be a real woman if they have the possibility 0.54

00:27:50.640 to have the control of their own body, but the bad Catholic Church wants to destroy it 0.97

00:27:55.640 and wants to take away their decisions over their own body. 0.92

00:27:58.640 Well, let's talk about this argument for a second.

00:28:01.640 It's not per se wrong from a modernist point of view to look at it like this if you always

00:28:07.640 heard that the Catholic Church says, follow the commandments, and the modern society tells

00:28:12.640 you, we do not have any commandments.

00:28:14.640 But is it really true?

00:28:15.640 I think not.

00:28:16.640 If you look at the modern society, they give you way more rules to follow, way more rules.

00:28:20.640 You're not allowed to speak freely about anything.

00:28:22.640 You're not allowed to do with your money what you want to do with your money because

00:28:26.640 your money is taken away by the state.

00:28:28.640 As you know, Austria taxes up to 50% plus fees and so on.

00:28:32.640 So, some people pay 70% of what they earn back to governmental structures.

00:28:37.640 Completely insane, etc.

00:28:40.640 They tell you that you are free to do whatever you want, but whatever you want has to be against

00:28:44.640 Christian values.

00:28:45.640 It's also interesting because as soon as you try to fight for Christian values, I give

00:28:49.640 you an example.

00:28:50.640 Let's say I want to create a new Catholic school following a traditional Catholic idea.

00:28:54.640 It's more or less impossible in Central Europe.

00:28:57.640 In Germany, it's totally impossible more or less.

00:28:59.640 I know people who did this and most of them did not succeed even though they had a wonderful

00:29:04.640 team, very good concept, very good curricula, also very good financing and that did not work

00:29:09.640 because the government does not want those schools to work.

00:29:12.640 So, are we really free in this society?

00:29:14.640 Are we really free in a society where they force vaccines into our arms, where they force

00:29:17.640 us to wear masks, where they force us to be separated from our own family because of

00:29:24.640 such nonsense?

00:29:25.640 And now we all clap to the Chinese, obviously because they fight against the serial tyranny. 0.96

00:29:28.640 But here, the same thing happened here.

00:29:30.640 And nobody clapped when we did this whole resistance against it.

00:29:33.640 So, are we really free?

00:29:34.640 No, we are not, obviously.

00:29:35.640 So, is the church really in a situation where they also suppress people?

00:29:40.640 No, they don't.

00:29:41.640 But the church does something very important.

00:29:43.640 It tells the truth.

00:29:44.640 And if you want to know the truth that there are certain decisions in your life and certain

00:29:48.640 things you have to reject and certain things you have to do, it's your free choice to do

00:29:53.640 so.

00:29:54.640 If you want to end up in heaven or not, it's your free choice.

00:29:57.640 But the church obviously says that a good Christian state has to create some rules which prohibits

00:30:02.640 certain things which are definitely bad for society as a whole.

00:30:06.640 And that's obviously abortion. 1.00

00:30:07.640 Because what could be more bad for society as a whole is the killing of the next generation 1.00

00:30:12.640 of this society.

00:30:13.640 I think it's very obvious.

00:30:14.640 So, nonsense kind of nonsense argument.

00:30:17.640 Then what they say is because abortion is still considered a crime, it stigmatizes women

00:30:22.640 who want to get an abortion. 0.92

00:30:24.640 Well, to be very honest, yes, obviously it does.

00:30:28.640 Because if it's a crime, then you normally talk about the people who commit the crime,

00:30:33.640 you refer to them as criminals.

00:30:35.640 Well, it's now you can discuss who is the bigger criminal and the different situation

00:30:40.640 is different.

00:30:41.640 If a woman is obviously forced to do abortion, she's not a criminal, then the abortionist 0.55

00:30:44.640 and the one who forces her are the criminals.

00:30:47.640 Obviously, if a woman says, I want to kill my own child, this would be considered criminal. 0.93

00:30:51.640 Just imagine the child is outside of her body, already born. 0.97

00:30:54.640 We would all consider her a terrible criminal. 1.00

00:30:56.640 She would be in every newspaper, women in cold blood killing her own child. 1.00

00:31:01.640 It would be a huge news.

00:31:02.640 So, yes, it does stigmatize them.

00:31:05.640 But what they say is, well, it's stigmatized in the moment of need.

00:31:08.640 And that's not the worst argument.

00:31:10.640 It is a good argument because obviously, yes, modern society doesn't help women the way it should. 1.00

00:31:15.640 Look at Hungary. 0.61

00:31:16.640 Hungary is really a good example here because Hungary, unfortunately, did not introduce lots of pro-life laws.

00:31:21.640 One little one now, recently, thank God.

00:31:24.640 But they introduced lots of pro-family laws.

00:31:26.640 And look, the abortion numbers went down 50%.

00:31:28.640 So, yeah, of course, if you want to support families and you do support families,

00:31:32.640 obviously, you create a better situation for the women. 1.00

00:31:35.640 I think that's quite logical.

00:31:37.640 And then, obviously, they say, yeah, well, in the cause of rape,

00:31:40.640 which is one of the most ugly arguments you can find from any pro-abortionist,

00:31:45.640 I never found any pro-abortionist to say it. 0.56

00:31:48.640 I'm always pro-life except for rape.

00:31:51.640 I never found any pro-abortionist.

00:31:52.640 I found a few weak pro-lifers who said this, but I never found a pro-abortionist.

00:31:57.640 Why is this an argument that is used by many people?

00:31:59.640 Because rape is a very, very accurate thing. 1.00

00:32:01.640 Just imagine, against the will of maybe a teenage girl.

00:32:04.640 And just imagine the most terrible situation.

00:32:06.640 Say an underage girl raped by whoever, and then the child is there and so on.

00:32:10.640 And this guy had a very strange face, and she now has dreams about the child looking exactly like the father.

00:32:16.640 That's more or less the situation they built.

00:32:18.640 This happens in real numbers.

00:32:21.640 One, two, three, five, maybe ten times in Austria, for example, a year.

00:32:26.640 Are we as a society not able to take care of ten, maybe twenty children a year who are in need?

00:32:32.640 And maybe if the woman really says, I cannot have the child afterwards because it's just not possible. 0.57

00:32:38.640 I think we are. I think we are.

00:32:40.640 In Austria, there's a rough estimation, it's a little bit difficult to get the real numbers on this,

00:32:44.640 that on every child being born and put out for adoption, there are ten couples who want to adopt the child.

00:32:52.640 So I think that this is really not a problem.

00:32:54.640 And I believe that a Christian society would always and will always find an answer, as we did in the last thousands of years.

00:33:01.640 We always had an answer for this, and we still have.

00:33:04.640 And then they say that the consultants, that they have to go, consultancy is bad because it's difficult.

00:33:11.640 They have to decide and then they have to go to the doctor to ask them for help.

00:33:14.640 Well, obviously, that's a nonsense argument because you have to have this in many other aspects as well.

00:33:17.640 You can, for example, not do certain operations in hospital without being first signing a paper that you actually know what's going to happen.

00:33:23.640 So that's just invalid in my eyes.

00:33:25.640 And obviously, they now talk about Roe v. Wade and say, well, because of Roe v. Wade,

00:33:29.640 we now have to put this whole right abortion into constitutional rank in order to secure it from things like Roe v. Wade.

00:33:36.640 Obviously, totally ignoring that the United States have a different law system than we have.

00:33:41.640 And it's not the same.

00:33:42.640 So we cannot just act as if this would happen in the same way.

00:33:45.640 It does not.

00:33:46.640 And second of all, if you would change something, a crime into suddenly a constitutional law.

00:33:54.640 And if this would work, I ask you just as someone who views this interview right now.

00:34:00.640 What is this?

00:34:01.640 Is the constitution a constitution of which system is this a constitution if not of a criminal system then?

00:34:08.640 It's very easy.

00:34:09.640 If you say a crime is suddenly a constitutional law, then the constitution becomes criminal.

00:34:13.640 Very easy.

00:34:14.640 And then actually the question is, does it work?

00:34:17.640 No, it does not.

00:34:18.640 Because if it's constitutional to kill little children, I don't want to be part of any government who has this as a constitution.

00:34:24.640 I think this is very, very, very clear to understand.

00:34:27.640 Well, that's the situation that I think all the arguments they bring up, and that's the main discussion right now in every other country.

00:34:33.640 It's very easy to answer.

00:34:34.640 It's very, very easy to answer.

00:34:35.640 So let's give them the answers and let's show them that this is wrong and fight for the pro-life cause.

00:34:39.640 You can never lose.

00:34:41.640 Every child safe because of the fight for the right for those children to live is what we are really fighting for.

00:34:48.640 We want those laws to be abolished.

00:34:50.640 But what we really want, first and foremost, is that the sin of killing an unborn child is not being committed.

00:34:57.640 And the child can live in the way God wants it to live.

00:35:02.640 That's it.

00:35:03.640 Yeah.

00:35:04.640 Wow.

00:35:05.640 Thank you so much, Alexander.

00:35:07.640 Thank you for what you do and thank you for sitting down with me for this interview.

00:35:11.640 Thank you.

00:35:12.640 Thank you for the interview.

00:35:13.640 Hi, everyone.

00:35:14.640 This is John Henry Weston.

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The John-Henry Westen Show - January 12, 2023

Taking on the Globalists’ Abortion Idolatry. Daring activist speaks out.

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