The John-Henry Westen Show - August 06, 2019


Taylor Marshall discusses the plot to destroy the church from within

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In this episode, Dr. Taylor Marshall joins us to talk about his new book, "Infiltration: The Plot to Destroy the Catholic Church from Within." Dr. Marshall is a Catholic theologian, a professor, a writer, and a "doctor of the faith."

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00:00:00.180 Welcome to this episode of the John Henry Weston Show. May God bless you.
00:00:03.880 We are really pleased to bring you tonight Dr. Taylor Marshall, who many of you know.
00:00:08.040 Stay tuned. It's going to be absolutely fascinating.
00:00:11.960 Taylor Marshall, good to be with you.
00:00:14.420 Hey, it's great to be with you, John Henry.
00:00:16.980 Let's start as we always do with the sign of the cross.
00:00:19.580 In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.
00:00:24.480 So, we're with Taylor Marshall, who, for those of you who might not know him,
00:00:28.900 he's a fantastic Catholic theologian, a professor, and a real, well, I'd like to say, doctor of the faith.
00:00:35.760 Taylor Marshall is probably most known because of his YouTube work.
00:00:42.120 He's got thousands, in fact, tens of thousands of fans on YouTube who have learned from his instruction.
00:00:49.300 Now, he's just written a book, and I think that's where we're going to start.
00:00:53.480 Taylor, your book called Infiltration, it really struck me.
00:00:56.520 Let me go to the background of that a little bit.
00:01:00.220 Why did you write this?
00:01:01.620 Why did you publish it now, at this point in the history of the Church, and through Sophia Press?
00:01:07.000 Well, you know, I'm a convert to the Catholic faith, and I was previously an Episcopalian cleric.
00:01:13.520 And just studying the Catholic faith, studying her faith, studying her morals, I was drawn to the magisterium of the Catholic Church that was consistent, that was perennial.
00:01:25.940 It was a rock.
00:01:27.140 It was a bedrock on which to rest our faith in Jesus Christ.
00:01:30.400 And so, you know, I left the Episcopal Church, I left the Episcopal Priesthood, and I came into the Catholic Church.
00:01:36.640 And, you know, the interesting thing about it is, you know, the Anglican Church, the Church of England, originally began because of Henry VIII and this question of divorce and remarriage.
00:01:47.280 That was at the very root of that tradition.
00:01:49.140 And so I was leaving that tradition and coming to the Catholic faith that's never changed and has this very strong teaching on the sanctity of marriage, the sacramentality of marriage.
00:02:01.760 And so it's been sort of shocking in the last several years to be a Catholic, to be a convert, and to see what seems to be some changes that are going on in the Church.
00:02:13.020 And so this led me into a long-term study of why it is that the Catholic Church seems to have, in the recent years, and I would argue even in the last few decades, has undergone weakness, perceived changes.
00:02:28.660 Of course, the Catholic Church and the Catholic faith can never change, but there can be infiltrations and there can be confusions, as we've seen in the history of the Church,
00:02:37.660 from, you know, whether it's Gnosticism, Arianism, Nestorianism, the Monophysite heresy, you name it.
00:02:44.680 There's always sort of been these heretical movements that over time are corrected and clarified through the papacy and through the councils.
00:02:53.220 And so I began this study trying to understand the current crisis.
00:02:57.780 And a lot of people say, you know, well, it goes back to Bennett XVI resigning in 2013, or it goes back to Paul VI, or it goes back to Vatican II.
00:03:07.660 Or John XXIII.
00:03:09.580 And as I began to study this issue, I realized it actually goes back a lot longer than just a few decades, or even 50 years.
00:03:16.620 And in my studies, I found that it really began in the 1830s, 1840s, with an infiltration of humanist, secular ideals of people conspiring to not attack the Church from the outside,
00:03:32.260 like Nero had or Diocletian or even Napoleon, but to subtly attack the Church from the inside, an infiltration.
00:03:40.940 And that's what's unique about our time.
00:03:43.260 Pius X said, modernism is the synthesis of all heresies.
00:03:46.360 And so what we've seen is an internal corruption, an internal infiltration, which ultimately will fail by the grace of God.
00:03:54.200 The Holy Spirit will overcome this.
00:03:56.040 So the name of the book is Infiltration, the plot to destroy the Church from within.
00:04:04.540 And it basically tracks, begins with the permanent instruction of the Alta Vendita in the 1840s,
00:04:11.780 and also the apparition of Our Lady of La Salette, and goes all the way up through Pius IX, Leo XIII, Pius X, Fatima, Vatican II, Paul VI, John Paul II, Benedict,
00:04:24.620 and then, of course, the current situation with Pope Francis.
00:04:28.100 So in a way, it's a history book.
00:04:30.620 It brings you up to date with everything that has happened in the past 150 years.
00:04:36.280 And then as you read it, you begin to understand that's why we are in the crisis we are experiencing right now.
00:04:44.980 Absolutely.
00:04:45.740 I was totally fascinated by your book.
00:04:47.820 Very privileged to be one of the first ones to review it.
00:04:50.700 And what I loved about it, I think I described it to other people as something very generous.
00:04:57.000 It's like a professor, when a professor teaches you something you can learn, after many, many years, his actual take on things.
00:05:03.960 Because they normally don't give that to you all at one sitting.
00:05:07.980 Normally, you know, and you actually did that.
00:05:11.680 I thought it was a very generous thing to do.
00:05:13.560 You give your take on things to readers in a way that people can take years and years to do,
00:05:19.400 if you say, you know, sit through their classes and so on.
00:05:22.080 But you didn't make them do that.
00:05:24.560 You were very generous.
00:05:25.260 You gave the sweep of history so that people, really lay people, when it comes to this kind of thing,
00:05:31.420 didn't have to study all these things for so long.
00:05:33.680 You did the study.
00:05:34.640 You gave of your study.
00:05:35.500 It was incredibly generous.
00:05:39.080 But I wanted to focus on something in the book that you had already mentioned.
00:05:42.820 It was the Alta Vendita.
00:05:44.120 What is it for people who have never heard of it before?
00:05:47.700 And, you know, how significant is it?
00:05:49.880 I know that some of the popes already talked about it.
00:05:52.160 So what is the Alta Vendita?
00:05:55.260 So the document is called the Permanent Instruction of the Alta Vendita.
00:05:59.120 This document was acquired by the church.
00:06:03.540 Pope Pius IX and Leo XIII saw it as authentic and asked for it to be reproduced in the mid to late 1800s.
00:06:11.660 And it's written by the leader of the Carbonari.
00:06:15.340 The Carbonari were the Italian version of the Freemasons. 0.93
00:06:19.000 I know when people hear Freemasons, they think this is conspiracy and the loony and all that.
00:06:22.980 But if Freemasons or Carbonari, Carbonari means like the coal burners. 0.60
00:06:28.300 If that makes you uncomfortable, just think secular humanists, right?
00:06:33.580 Secular humanist ideals.
00:06:35.600 All religions are true.
00:06:37.840 The earth is divine.
00:06:39.980 Pantheism.
00:06:40.580 All of these ideas that basically you hear from Oprah Winfrey and Dr. Phil and UN documents.
00:06:48.620 This is a secular humanist worldview.
00:06:51.300 And those who believed it met in secret societies.
00:06:54.940 Because in the 1700s and the 1800s, to say these kind of things out loud would get you in trouble.
00:07:00.540 You'd lose your job.
00:07:01.220 You might lose your life.
00:07:02.000 So they met in secret, these secret societies.
00:07:04.520 And we call them Freemasonic societies or the Carbonari. 0.80
00:07:09.020 You know, these are the groups that were meeting in Europe and also in the New World a little bit.
00:07:14.000 To introduce secular humanist ideals, democracy, brotherhood of man, disestablished, the Catholic Church, against monarchy, etc.
00:07:26.580 So these guys wrote a document called the Permanent Instruction of Alta Vendita.
00:07:32.080 And in that document, they say, you know, look, we have tried for centuries to attack the Catholic Church. 0.98
00:07:38.300 You kill their bishops. 1.00
00:07:39.720 You kill their holy people. 1.00
00:07:40.920 You kill their popes. 1.00
00:07:41.800 And they just make them into martyrs. 1.00
00:07:44.920 They build altars.
00:07:46.300 They build shrines.
00:07:47.280 They build basilicas and cathedrals over the tombs of these martyrs.
00:07:51.840 And that's not an effective strategy.
00:07:53.520 So the new strategy moving forward in the mid-1800s is to infiltrate from the inside.
00:08:01.680 They say, we're never going to get a pope who's going to just renounce the faith.
00:08:04.900 He's going to come to a Carbonari sect meeting.
00:08:07.980 Instead, what we're going to do is we're going to spend 100 years or more.
00:08:12.380 They say this in the Alta Vendita.
00:08:14.240 Over 100 years.
00:08:15.280 And we will begin to corrupt the clergy, the religious, the seminaries, and the young people so that over time, their mind will be secular humanist, given to the ideals that we promote, without them ever having to go to a Freemasonic lodge.
00:08:31.700 It'll be in the schools.
00:08:33.000 It'll be in the seminaries.
00:08:34.080 And over time, this document states that eventually we will get priests who believe the way we believe, not the traditional Catholic way.
00:08:42.720 We'll get bishops who believe secular humanist ideals.
00:08:45.900 We'll get cardinals.
00:08:47.260 And eventually, we will elect a pope in our own image.
00:08:50.760 The document says a pope after our own heart.
00:08:53.780 It's a revolution in tiara and cope.
00:08:56.000 Tiara is the old crown that the pope wore.
00:08:58.320 And the cope, right, the vestment, the cape.
00:09:00.580 So the Permanent Instruction of Alta Vendita sets this whole plan into motion.
00:09:07.740 And when the popes find out about it, they're horrified.
00:09:10.160 They publish it.
00:09:11.200 But in a way, it's too late because it's already begun to happen in the 1800s.
00:09:16.520 Leo XIII sees demons settling on Rome.
00:09:19.960 He writes the St. Michael prayer.
00:09:21.660 He writes the St. Michael exorcism.
00:09:23.280 And from then on, the church has been fighting this internal corruption of philosophy, theology, morals, and liturgy.
00:09:34.920 So right now, in terms of things that seem like such a boogeyman, Freemasonry doesn't exist.
00:09:44.580 But we have, we've seen it, as you said, in secular humanism.
00:09:49.860 But what about this thing called the St. Gallen Mafia?
00:09:54.260 What is that all about?
00:09:55.540 Sure.
00:09:58.560 So you mentioned the Freemasons and everyone's like, oh, the Freemasons, you know, they help hospitals and, you know, give out candy at parades and things.
00:10:06.560 Yeah.
00:10:06.760 I mean, today the Freemasons are more of a joke.
00:10:08.960 But remember, the Freemasons were secret societies in the early 1800s.
00:10:13.280 Now their thinking has pretty much permeated society.
00:10:16.860 You know, you don't have to be a Freemason to think the way Voltaire thought hundreds of years ago.
00:10:21.920 So in a way, they've been successful.
00:10:23.600 And in my book, I show that the Freemasonic ideals were eventually turned into a religion by Alistair Crowley.
00:10:32.620 Alistair Crowley was an Englishman.
00:10:34.280 He was a Swiss mountaineer.
00:10:36.260 And he took the Freemasonic ideas and he created a, what he calls a Gnostic Catholic Church, Ecclesia Catholica Gnostica, the Gnostic Catholic Church.
00:10:48.120 He writes a Gnostic mass, which is based on magic and the occult.
00:10:53.980 And he also develops a system of sex magic.
00:10:57.740 That's right. 0.97
00:10:58.600 Sex magic. 0.96
00:10:59.280 That takes the adherence higher and higher in the occult, in magic and in perversion. 0.72
00:11:08.000 And Alistair Crowley established this Catholic Church.
00:11:10.680 And what was interesting is, is eventually the Gnostic Catholic Church, as I show in the book Infiltration, eventually makes its capital, its Holy See, if you will, right outside and near St. Gallen, Switzerland.
00:11:25.940 And what's interesting about that is, we have Theodore McCarrick, the defrocked cardinal, ex-cardinal.
00:11:33.020 He found his vocation at St. Gallen.
00:11:36.500 And then we also have the St. Gallen Mafia, which is a group of cardinals and bishops and archbishops who are meeting in that region and discussing ways in which to select the next pope after John Paul II or after, eventually, after Bennett XVI.
00:11:52.240 And their number one candidate, we know from their own admission, was Cardinal Bergoglio, who becomes Pope Francis.
00:12:01.060 So it's really interesting to see this Freemasonic idea turn into a church, find a place in Switzerland, St. Gallen, and then this mafia to develop and deliver to us what seems to be a revolution in Copentiera, as we read in the Permanent Instruction of Alta Vendita.
00:12:19.820 Now, it certainly seems to be a revolution indeed.
00:12:24.300 But just so that our viewers know that you're not using pejorative language, you're not making up the language of the St. Gallen Mafia.
00:12:31.560 Where did that term actually come from?
00:12:34.300 Yeah, Cardinal Daniil's.
00:12:36.600 He's the one who used the term mafia.
00:12:38.680 They used two terms.
00:12:39.700 They used the St. Gallen Club or the St. Gallen Mafia.
00:12:44.120 But these aren't terms that we created.
00:12:45.260 These are terms that they themselves have used, and they've had to run a little bit of defense here, and they've tried to clean up and not use those terms and maybe deny it.
00:12:53.800 But they definitely were meeting in St. Gallen, which, by the way, was the capital for the European conferences for bishops, which is another unusual element to this whole story.
00:13:05.680 But, yeah, they were definitely working on the vision of Cardinal Martini, who was in Milan.
00:13:14.100 Cardinal Martini was—I'm sorry, was it Milan?
00:13:20.220 Was Martini Milan or Venice?
00:13:21.500 I just—Milan, yeah.
00:13:24.180 Cardinal Martini was opposed to John Paul II, certainly Cardinal Ratzinger.
00:13:29.700 And he wanted to see a new church in which Humanae Vitae was overturned, where there was women's ordination, where there was an increased sensitivity to ecumenism, and basically seeing all religions on the same footing, all aspiring to the transcendent, and taking the reforms of the Second Vatican Council to the next level, you know, to Kung and those sort of more radical expressions that were in float in the spirit of Vatican II.
00:13:58.780 So Cardinal Martini was very enthusiastic about that, and that group, the St. Gallen Mafia, was trying to figure out how to prevent a Cardinal Ratzinger and put in someone who would be in the mold of Cardinal Martini.
00:14:14.360 And I think you and I both think, and I think probably most people listening realize that that pope is Cardinal Borgoglio, who we know as Pope Francis.
00:14:23.940 Now, so now we have this sort of—with this history, your fantastic book, which really lays it out.
00:14:32.800 And they can see where, you know, in the past we've come from, and how we got to the present, and how sort of we got here.
00:14:40.600 And by the way, Bishop Schneider was the one who did the intro to your book.
00:14:45.460 Absolutely fascinating.
00:14:45.940 So we see this, we Catholics, what are we to do now?
00:14:50.300 Here we have this situation where the faith seems to be being dismantled from within, as you say.
00:14:55.500 What's the best route for Catholics to take right now? 0.50
00:14:58.000 What can we do?
00:14:59.200 Yeah, I mean, infiltration, when you read it, it's one of the most, you know, red-pilled and, in a way, discouraging books that you're going to read in 2019,
00:15:07.940 or maybe in the last several years, it's extremely discouraging because the blinders come off, and you see what's been going on in the Catholic Church.
00:15:17.320 Everyone who was told, everything under John Paul II is great, we're winning back the Church, the new younger vocations are awesome, everything is going to be great, you know, from the 80s and the 90s forward.
00:15:28.100 Suddenly, when the summer of shame happened, and Cardinal McCarrick was unmasked, everybody realized that this narrative was a sham, and that there's deep, deep problems in the Catholic Church,
00:15:41.780 and currently with the Cardinals, and the inner circle of the Cardinals, and with Pope Francis.
00:15:46.180 So that's a reality, but the ending of infiltration, I think, is the most optimistic message that you can, so if you just stopped reading and didn't read the last two chapters,
00:15:57.660 you'd be like, man, this is a bummer of a book to read, but when you get to the end, you get to, what do we do next?
00:16:05.020 What is the answer? I'm an optimist, John Henry. I believe that the Catholic Church is going to come out of this like a phoenix from the ashes,
00:16:11.200 and we are going to enter into a great period of Church history, because we're going to get clarity on so many things,
00:16:17.700 for example, on the teaching on the Sacrament of Matrimony. It's going to become very clear in the decades and perhaps centuries to come.
00:16:24.620 What do we do next? John Henry, you and I are laymen. I know there's probably priests and maybe some bishops and cardinals watching,
00:16:31.820 but you and I are laymen. Our lady came down. She got off her throne in 1917 and came down to earth,
00:16:38.640 and she performed the miracle of the sun, and she gave all these apparitions and messages to the children and the seers at Fatima,
00:16:46.320 and she told us to pray the rosary. The rosary is a meditation on the life and mysteries and the death and the redemption and the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
00:16:57.260 I just got back from the Holy Land three days ago, and I realized when I was there, because I went to where the Annunciation happened
00:17:04.980 and the visitation and the nativity and the presentation and the agony in the garden and Golgotha and all of these places,
00:17:12.700 the Church of the Dormition, all these places that I've read about in the Bible and prayed on the rosary, I was physically there,
00:17:18.480 and I realized you don't have to go to Jerusalem to experience all these. I was experiencing these geographic places
00:17:26.920 and the mysteries associated with them in those beads, praying those beads. I was going to the Annunciation.
00:17:34.040 I was going to the Visitation. I was going to the Nativity every single day on those beads, and you realize the gift that Our Lady gave St. Dominic
00:17:42.420 wasn't just saying Hail Mary over and over and over. It was these profound mysteries that are biblical that we meditate on.
00:17:50.500 So I think we're called as laity to rebuild the Church, and rebuilding the Church means returning to the traditional norms of Catholicism, 0.94
00:17:59.780 going to confession every two weeks or every month, rediscovering the liturgy, the traditional forms of the liturgy.
00:18:08.080 You know, I'm a huge believer in the traditional Latin Mass, the novenas, the fast days.
00:18:16.820 You know, Lent is not just about giving up chocolate. Lent is about entering into a spirit of penance.
00:18:22.020 So I think Catholics are beginning to rediscover and ask the questions, what does it mean to be a Catholic?
00:18:28.620 What did our grandparents and our great-grandparents and the great-great-grandparents do that sanctified the Church
00:18:34.960 and made us, I mean, proud is probably the wrong word, but made us excited about being the one true Church of Jesus Christ, right?
00:18:45.460 So that's how we're going to do it. We're lay people, right? We build it, you know, just brick by brick.
00:18:50.300 We can't preach sermons. We can't say Mass. We can't hear confessions. We can't confirm. We can't consecrate basilicas.
00:18:55.980 We're here with our Bible in one hand and our beads in the other hand, but that is worth something.
00:19:02.280 We're the foot soldiers, right? These prayers matter, and Our Lady will lead us.
00:19:06.260 And I think this conference coming up in Rome is another example of just pious laypeople coming together, praying, and talking.
00:19:15.220 Beautiful. That's the October 4th upcoming conference in Rome, a roundtable with Dr. Taylor Marshall,
00:19:23.120 with Michael Matt from the Remnant, Michael Voros from the Vortex and Church Militant,
00:19:26.820 Professor De Mattei from Rome as well.
00:19:30.600 Also, Marco Tozzati, famous Vatican reporter in Rome as well.
00:19:36.820 It's going to be a great time. Taylor Marshall, that's all the time we have for the show today.
00:19:42.460 I look forward to seeing you in Rome, my friend. May God bless you, and may God bless you all.
00:19:47.200 Thanks for joining us on this episode of The John Henry Weston Show. We'll see you next time.