The John-Henry Westen Show - The Astonishing Proof For Jesus' Real Presence In The Eucharist

00:00:00.000 There is a dating method that pathologists can use to determine how long before the compromising

00:00:05.760 of the blood supply occurred. But he was able to say three days beforehand. We know that Jesus

00:00:11.680 died on the Friday. And a theologian told me, you know that when we receive communion,

00:00:17.360 we receive Jesus at the moment of the resurrection. So in other words,

00:00:21.680 that microscopic slide was giving us a teaching on the nature of the Eucharist.

00:00:30.000 What if I told you that I was able to give you, not me, but someone was able to give you

00:00:40.400 proof, absolute scientific proof, that transubstantiation is real, that Jesus is

00:00:47.200 actually present in the Blessed Sacrament, that Jesus is truly in Holy Communion.

00:00:53.760 That sounds kind of weird. Wouldn't that answer sort of the great Protestant-Catholic debate

00:00:58.560 over-transubstantiation? Wouldn't that make a massive difference in the world? That's actually

00:01:04.560 what we have. We have exactly that. That's why you're going to want to stay tuned for this episode

00:01:09.040 of the John Henry Weston Show. It is with someone who has the actual scientific proof. But let me just

00:01:15.920 go through what's in the Bible already about it. We know that St. Paul already said, you know, when you

00:01:23.520 drink the cup of the Lord, do not drink his blood. Are you not partaking in the blood of the Lord?

00:01:28.080 Yes, you are. He said, when you are guilty, if you receive unworthily, you are guilty of the body

00:01:35.520 of the Lord. People might say, oh, that's sort of hinting, you know, Jesus said, like, I'm like

00:01:41.200 the door to heaven. He's not an actual door. You don't knock on him. You know, he's the way. Yeah,

00:01:45.920 he's not the actual road. You sort of go by him. But no. Well, actually, there's a very different

00:01:52.480 thing when it came to the Eucharist. It's especially the case or can be seen especially

00:01:58.000 in John 6. If you look at John 6 in the latter half of the chapter, it's the only place in the

00:02:04.480 Scriptures where disciples of Christ walked away from Christ. I'll go through it with you, actually.

00:02:10.900 Here, starting at verse 45, Jesus says, everyone that heard the Father has learned and comes to me,

00:02:18.060 not that any man had seen the Father, but he who is of God, he's seen the Father. Amen, I say to you

00:02:24.240 that he that believes in me has everlasting life. And this is because the Jews were already murmuring. 1.00

00:02:29.820 He said, I'm the bread that comes down from heaven. But get this. This starts in verse 48 of John 6.

00:02:35.520 I am the bread of life. Your fathers did eat manna in the desert and are dead. But this is the bread

00:02:40.840 which comes down from heaven. If any man eat of it, he may not die. I am the living bread which

00:02:46.820 came down from heaven. If any man eat of this bread, he shall live forever. And the bread that

00:02:51.580 I will give is my flesh for the life of the world. So that he goes on and says it like three or four

00:02:58.340 times. But then he comes to the real crux and says, the bread I will give is my flesh. So, of course,

00:03:05.020 the Jews who had strictures against cannibalism, especially drinking of any kind of blood,

00:03:10.440 freak out. And they say, in verse 53, the Jews therefore strove among themselves saying, 0.64

00:03:16.820 how can this man give us his flesh to eat? And so, Jesus being a good God and holy Savior would,

00:03:25.020 of course, explain it to them. He would, of course, say something like, oh, it's just a symbol,

00:03:29.340 guys. I'm not talking about giving you my flesh to eat. Right? Wrong. Here's what Jesus says.

00:03:35.380 He says, amen, amen, I say to you, except you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, 0.96

00:03:40.460 you shall not have life in you. So, in the face of them questioning, and he always knows what

00:03:47.080 they're questioning. It's not like it's secret to him. Even if they don't say it out loud,

00:03:50.400 he knows what they're thinking. He says, oh, no, no, no, no. He goes on, piles it on. It gets even

00:03:55.240 worse, actually. He says, the next verse, he that eats my flesh and drinks my blood has everlasting life, 0.97

00:04:01.480 and I will raise him up on the last day. So, he says it again, in the face of that,

00:04:06.180 just what, to rub it in? How can that be a good and kind and loving God if he's going to just rub

00:04:11.000 it in? But he's not done. He goes on again. He says, for my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood

00:04:17.220 is drink indeed. And then again, he that eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me and I in him. 0.65

00:04:23.840 As the living Father sent me, and I live by the Father, so he that eats me, the same also shall live

00:04:30.080 by me. We're up to what? Him repeating this, rubbing it in five times, six times now? He goes

00:04:35.020 on. This is the bread that came down from heaven, not as your fathers did eat manna and are dead.

00:04:39.080 He that eats this bread shall live forever. And then get this. Here for me is the real kicker.

00:04:45.460 The scriptures say, many therefore of his disciples. Now, disciples are the followers. They're the ones who

00:04:52.700 already believe. They're the ones who are with him. Not just the Jews, not the Gentiles who might be 0.97

00:04:57.500 around. These are disciples, those who are with him already following him. He says, it says, many

00:05:02.920 therefore of his disciples hearing it said, this saying is hard and who can hear it? And then the

00:05:09.060 scriptures say, just in case we wondered, Jesus, knowing in himself that his disciples murmured at

00:05:15.200 this, said to them, what's he going to say? He's going to say, guys, hello, I'm not going to make you

00:05:21.680 eat my body and drink my blood. It's a symbol. It's not real. It's a symbol. Not for real. No,

00:05:28.000 he doesn't do that. Nope. Nope. He knows what the thinking the scriptures tell us. He knows if

00:05:33.340 you're wondering. And he says this, does this scandalize you? If then you shall see the son

00:05:38.020 of man ascend up to where he was before. So he's saying to them, that scandalizes you because I

00:05:43.820 said you're going to eat my flesh. Well, if that scandalizes you, what's going to happen when you see

00:05:48.780 me ascending to the throne of God? Well, he goes on. It's the spirit that quickens, the flesh

00:05:56.160 profits nothing. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life. But there are some of you

00:06:02.620 that do not believe. Now, this is Jesus speaking, but there's some of you who do not believe. And

00:06:07.500 the scriptures explains what he's saying there by saying, for Jesus knew from the beginning who they

00:06:12.520 were that did not believe and who he was that would betray him. And he said, therefore, did I say to

00:06:18.060 you that no man comes to me unless it be given him by my father? And after this, many of his

00:06:23.820 disciples went back and walked no more with him. That's huge. His disciples, his followers went back

00:06:31.720 and walked no more with him. That means went away from Jesus, not to return. How sad is that? Because

00:06:39.660 when you go away from Jesus, you go to eternal tradition. You lose Jesus, which means you lose your

00:06:45.940 salvation. How cruel would he have to be to not run after them? If it wasn't a real truth, if it was

00:06:52.940 just a symbol, how cruel would he have to be to let them walk away thinking, oh my gosh, this guy is

00:06:58.460 going to make us eat his flesh. If it was only a symbol, he could have stopped them right away. Guys,

00:07:03.020 hello, it's a symbol. Just like I said, I'm a door. You're not knocking on my head. Hello? No, no, no, no, no,

00:07:09.180 no, no. He didn't do that. In fact, it gets even one step worse. Listen to this. Jesus says to the

00:07:13.980 12, will you also go away? Simon Peter answers him, Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words

00:07:19.660 of eternal life, and we have believed and have known that thou art the Christ, the Son of God.

00:07:24.260 What's super interesting there is Jesus is willing to lose even the 12 for this truth of his true

00:07:30.700 presence in the Blessed Sacrament. He turns to them and says, are you also going to go away? Meaning I'm

00:07:37.660 not going to change this even for you. And Peter might as well have said, Lord, I have no idea what

00:07:42.940 you're talking about, but you're God. His words were, Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words

00:07:47.960 of eternal life. We're in a situation today where we have that same disbelief, not only in the whole

00:07:55.000 wide world, which is rank, even among Christians and even among Catholics. So very few believe the true 0.95

00:08:02.040 presence of Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament. So very few believe the truth of transubstantiation.

00:08:07.220 God has intervened. God has intervened in the world now, in science, to prove it.

00:08:14.540 This is the John Henry Weston Show. You're going to want to stay tuned for this one.

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00:10:02.300 Ron Tesoriero, welcome back to the program.

00:10:04.500 Thanks, John Henry. Pleased to be back here and to be able to talk about this subject.

00:10:08.060 Let's begin as we always do with the sign of the cross. In the name of the Father and of the Son

00:10:12.800 and of the Holy Ghost. Amen. So, Ron, you have a fascinating thing. I mean, last time we talked

00:10:22.280 about how you were sort of there in a way to give the whole wide world the Doubting Thomas experience.

00:10:31.600 Here, watch. These are his wounds. In a similar kind of way, you have the ability. You've filmed

00:10:40.300 and went to scientists to film the ability to prove the true presence of Jesus in the Blessed

00:10:47.540 Sacrament. Something that's so controversial today that so many Christians, so many even

00:10:52.160 Catholics who are supposed to believe it, don't believe it. And yet, you have the proof on video. 1.00

00:10:58.320 Please explain it to us. Well, I was really privileged to have been able to have the opportunity to

00:11:03.920 work on the investigation of the Eucharistic miracle of Buenos Aires of 1996. I believe

00:11:11.320 that that story, the outcome, the facts and the findings, will be one of the most significant

00:11:16.740 events in the history of Christianity. Now, that's a big claim. And in the course of this

00:11:22.580 interview, we'll unfold the reasoning. Briefly, the story goes that a priest found an abandoned

00:11:30.140 communion host in his church after mass in a parish in Buenos Aires. It was placed in a bowl

00:11:37.700 of water. It then locked in the tabernacle. And after a few days, it began to lose what appeared

00:11:44.620 to be blood. The Archbishop organised for a photographer to take photos of the sample as it progressively

00:11:53.340 transformed over a number of days. When I was asked to come and assist in the investigation,

00:11:58.760 it was three years after the actual happening. It was in 1999. And when I was given this task,

00:12:06.720 I was very conscious of the fact of all those things that you spoke about, that no one would

00:12:11.380 ever believe that a communion host could lead and act in the way that this one did. I was

00:12:17.760 very conscious of the worldview that we have, which is based on the Enlightenment, that you're

00:12:23.480 not going to be able to find anything that answers questions in faith. It has to be through

00:12:28.320 science and that science doesn't believe these things happen. There is no God. Waste of time.

00:12:33.720 Don't waste your money. I was very conscious that I would have to meet a critical world if

00:12:39.760 this story had legs, if it was true. So right from the beginning, as a lawyer, I interviewed

00:12:46.000 on film all the key witnesses before any testing. They gave me the accounts of what happened.

00:12:51.960 And there was a number of people involved in that series of interviews. And then ultimately,

00:12:58.520 when it came to taking the sample, I was very careful to ensure that every aspect of the

00:13:04.820 progress of the work was filmed. The taking the sample, the identifying it, and then following in

00:13:12.660 the chain of custody all the way through. Now, from that time, it's been now 20 years of

00:13:18.220 investigation of what that substance was that we took away to examine. We did a series of DNA tests

00:13:25.760 on it. We also did pathology testing. And then later, we did advanced DNA testing, which I'll come to.

00:13:33.800 But what was interesting was that we had to try and identify the substance. And the key

00:13:42.280 scientist who worked on the investigation was a New York forensic pathologist and an author of

00:13:48.940 textbooks on pathology, on the heart. He was both a forensic pathologist and a heart specialist.

00:13:58.080 When I decided to engage him, I didn't want him to know what it was that we were examining.

00:14:04.240 I wanted a blind test. So with a little bit of poetic license, I wrote to him saying,

00:14:09.080 I'm a lawyer working on a forensic case, I need to be able to identify certain material

00:14:15.440 on a microscopic slide. It's a very sensitive subject. But I'll tell you all about it after

00:14:23.080 you've given us the results. So I flew to New York from Sydney with Australia's most qualified

00:14:30.500 senior journalist, Mike Willissey. And we went there to hear him say what he found in terms of

00:14:38.580 this, this, this, this item. So he permitted me to set up a camera to film his progress of

00:14:45.600 examination and what he said. So I'm able to walk away with enabling the viewer to be in that room

00:14:53.660 and to hear what was said in this historic moment. It was certainly historic. I felt it when he was

00:15:00.700 saying his words. He's looking down the microscope. And he says heart tissue.

00:15:10.840 There's a inflammatory infiltrate here. The heart tissue itself is degenerating is degenerated. In other

00:15:23.640 words, this is what happens sometimes after a heart attack. This is a person that had a heart attack, but not, it's not a immediate. In other words, the person had to have lived a period of time after this. Now there's other things that can cause this type of a item that resembles a heart attack.

00:15:46.560 In automobile accidents where they get chest crushes and it causes damage to the heart. You get it from a person getting beat up across the chest. You get coronary injuries from that. You get coronary injuries from people who gave CPR incorrectly and a person comes out of it.

00:16:09.200 So that area may die off. The injury hit this area of the heart right here. The heart is one area that I know. This is my business.

00:16:22.680 I think it actually comes from about right in this area right in here.

00:16:29.120 And what's the function of that part of the heart?

00:16:31.400 That's the left ventricle. That's a major area that pumps the blood to all parts of the body.

00:16:36.940 Now what's the history?

00:16:40.200 Now, could you imagine what we think, Mike Willissey and I were thinking as he was saying those things?

00:16:46.080 We were the only two people in the room. In here he is looking down a microscope, giving us historical lesson on the passion of Christ.

00:16:53.960 But the interesting thing he says was that, he says, I'm looking at a living heart. This is a snapshot of a living heart.

00:17:00.300 But I can date the time of the time of the injury from this snapshot.

00:17:05.280 The injury occurred about three days before this snapshot.

00:17:10.800 now why he can tell that is that there is a dating method that pathologists can use to determine

00:17:20.160 how long before the compromising of the blood supply occurred because or i can tell

00:17:27.040 because in the process of the deterioration of the tissue it happens over a period of time and

00:17:33.820 you know from the beginning to the end and you can slot this in in that time scale but he was

00:17:39.420 able to say three days beforehand afterwards i came back when i was thinking about all this

00:17:45.760 i think how could he what's the significance of three days we know that jesus died on the friday

00:17:52.980 and the passion was on the friday um how does the three days fit him and a theologian told me

00:18:00.080 you know that when we receive communion we receive jesus at the moment of the resurrection

00:18:06.340 which means that we're receiving him three days after the passion and he's alive so in other words

00:18:16.040 that microscopic slide was telling us giving us a teaching on the nature of the eucharist

00:18:22.360 is the memorial a memorial of his passion his death and resurrection you can imagine how we felt when

00:18:29.620 he was going going through all of this but he um we eventually told him the where it had come from

00:18:36.180 after he'd been through all of this and he says you know this is this is quite amazing he says that

00:18:41.540 you say that that tissue was in water for three years before a sample was taken he says that doesn't

00:18:48.420 correspond with what i see in the microscope because those white blood cells should have deteriorated

00:18:54.020 within minutes of being put in the water somehow rather it was preserved contrary to science so

00:19:01.220 you've got this um this strange anomaly that you've got white blood cells in there that are still vivid

00:19:06.260 and living and they should not be there because they'd been in water um the other thing was that um

00:19:13.060 he i mean he was quite surprised the way this was a piece of communion hose that had this

00:19:19.140 uh heart tissue and living cells in it he says because heart tissue does not normally have white

00:19:25.860 blood cells in them they come in to address injury but they have to come from somewhere they have to

00:19:32.740 come from another part of the body how do they get into the into the eucharist you know he says um he

00:19:39.380 says this is this is this is a real mystery that this this has happened this is a i i can't i can't

00:19:45.460 scientifically comprehend how this is possible but he's telling us this um so it's it's a it's a very

00:19:54.340 important finding because um it it it strengthens all that we understand and believe about the eucharist

00:20:02.500 that jesus is present in there he is alive and that and also that he has suffered and so um it's a very

00:20:11.140 important um finding um now people will say oh how can you how can you believe all of this this has

00:20:17.540 happened well we know that science holds the gold standard for knowledge in our world we look to science

00:20:26.180 to give us answers and the response about faith is that faith is is is is is is there's a domain of

00:20:34.500 myth and superstition but what happens when science looks at the subject says this bread has turned

00:20:45.300 into living human heart in the eucharist it's like you could not get a better endorsement for our belief

00:20:54.100 in the eucharist so few of us believe that jesus is present in the eucharist you know the surveys

00:20:59.460 that have been done in the united states where they say that only 20 of people at best believe

00:21:06.740 that jesus truly present in the eucharist and that about 11 of people go to mass um this this story now

00:21:13.860 gives us a new basis for faith in that in that in that teaching and you know we we'd be afraid as

00:21:22.340 catholics going out in the world world and saying you know what we go to church counting mass and we

00:21:27.460 receive communion in that post is god we believe that god comes into that house it's jesus truly

00:21:34.980 present as if he was standing here on earth if you stood out in the street or said that anywhere in

00:21:40.420 public they'd say you'd be crazy all we now have to do is produce what the scientists said about this

00:21:46.500 particular item and we're not so crazy and so it'll it'll give us a lot more confidence to believe what

00:21:53.460 the church teaches the other thing is that he's also showing to us his heart and his heart that

00:21:58.340 suffered you you probably know the most catholics would know the the revelation to saint margaret

00:22:05.220 mary in france in the 17th century where jesus appeared to saint margaret mary and said he showed

00:22:13.220 his heart he says look at my heart which suffers it suffers because of the ingratitude of man and

00:22:19.220 disrespect towards the eucalyptus something along those lines and he said i want you to go to the

00:22:24.980 king to lou the 14th and tell him that i want my heart honored i want to be given the dignity and respect

00:22:35.700 that i was denied when i was on earth by the leaders of the world here's the chance to make that

00:22:42.100 roger's go and tell him to put on his emblem but my sacred heart and to honor it and if he does this 0.93

00:22:51.220 this country will be blessed and of course we know he didn't do that and 100 years to the day

00:22:59.540 there was the french revolution which brought down the church and brought down really brought down

00:23:05.460 brought down the monarchy and brought down religion and then began the enlightenment thinking that we all

00:23:11.700 know about and which which our world has permeated our world that there's nothing to be found in

00:23:17.620 religious matters nothing to be found in the bible that's of any value to help our way but strange

00:23:23.540 enough there's no book of science that can tell us how or why a piece of bread could turn into human

00:23:32.340 flesh and blood but there is a book written 2000 years ago the bible where jesus spoke about

00:23:41.380 bread and wine becoming his flesh and blood all of a sudden now

00:23:47.620 the book that they rejected in the enlightenment becomes the answer to the solution to this problem

00:23:54.340 that we now have on hand and it's sort of an interesting reversal of things in a way because

00:24:00.580 god is now saying through this story and the other eucharistic miracles which we'll mention in a moment

00:24:08.900 where a piece of bread has turned into flesh and blood and human and heart

00:24:13.860 god is stepping into this world again to reinforce this is my interpretation of these things to reinforce

00:24:20.980 what he said to saint margaret mary i want my heart honored and the corollary of that is if you honor

00:24:28.180 my heart i will bless your country i'll bless the world i think he's giving us that opportunity

00:24:34.180 you know if you were to go into a catholic church and bring a man from mars in there and stand him up 1.00

00:24:40.740 there in the line of communion line and ask him what do you think's happening there all those people

00:24:45.620 walking up there in this bloke out the front giving him something white oh yeah i'd say we're giving him

00:24:50.820 a cookie or bus tickets or something oh no no that's god that's the creator of the universe that's what

00:24:56.340 we believe oh no he would say you that they don't believe that there's nothing in their demeanor that

00:25:02.900 really shows that's our creator there and i think that's our problem i mean i think people who receive

00:25:08.420 communion do it with the utmost reverence and respect but without the knowledge that comes from what we

00:25:14.340 now find in these stories it's god himself saying i'm i'm here and i'm giving you a special privilege

00:25:23.220 to receive me but not only to receive me but my heart the heart that suffered in the passion

00:25:30.100 the heart that showed its love for you and i want to place my heart next to yours when you receive

00:25:36.420 that communion as a foretaste of being in paradise you know if that sort of reflection on the eucharist was

00:25:43.620 given in a church there would be traffic jams of people coming to church because they've never

00:25:50.340 heard that i mean you know answer your question answer this question have you ever heard in a church

00:25:55.380 someone talk about the eucharist in that way to make people want to come created the universe coming

00:26:01.860 to you to place his heart next to yours as a foretaste of being in heaven you probably never

00:26:07.460 yeah tell them if you have no anyhow the point about it is it is dramatic information which could

00:26:14.660 reverse this whole trend you know when you think of honor being given to a king all we've got to look

00:26:20.820 at is the coronation event in england in england of queen elizabeth what man is capable of doing to honor

00:26:29.060 a king that's an earthly king we never see that honor to the earthly king and strange enough queen

00:26:37.220 of the queen elizabeth said i am here at at the altar to honor that other king because that's what

00:26:46.180 my role is as the leader of the church of england so it's it's it's i think it's incumbent upon people

00:26:52.820 who he'll be giving a bit of a sermon but i think it follows on from this story that um if we really

00:26:58.820 believe that jesus is present as he's demonstrating in these eucharistic miracles then our attitude

00:27:04.420 to the eucharist should change and that we should start to begin to give that honor could you imagine

00:27:11.060 what it would be like if every catholic school in the world every parish in the world took a day off

00:27:17.860 on the feast of corpus christi and honored the heart of christ honored him our king

00:27:25.300 to to to lead the way in the belief i know in the united states at the moment we've decided to

00:27:31.060 have a eucharistic renewal because of the failure of people to understand what we truly receive in

00:27:36.260 the eucharist let's hope that type of inspiration comes because in the olden days that was done

00:27:42.260 i remember seeing photos of sydney back in the 1950s when they had a eucharistic procession through

00:27:49.300 sydney every street was filled with nuns and priests brothers people school children all there to honor

00:27:58.820 our lord that was in the 1950s since then there's been nothing like that happened in sydney so you know

00:28:06.180 that's one one thing that could well follow just a quick note before we return if you would like to

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00:28:38.180 mentioned was that this is not the only this you've been talking about the miracle in in buenos eros that

00:28:44.260 you went to investigate but you've also investigated other eucharistic miracles and what i find totally

00:28:51.540 fascinating about it is they're they're spread out in time they they they come from different parts of

00:28:56.900 the world from different countries uh some of them happened centuries ago some of them more recent

00:29:03.220 yet they're all strikingly similar tell us about those similarities it is interesting that they've

00:29:08.900 all happened in the last 14 15 years from buenos aires in 1996 to to the latest of the ones that i've

00:29:16.580 followed closely in their mix of parliament in 2013 but in each of these cases there's there's been a

00:29:23.620 communion host that has transformed in the context of a catholic mass and when examined by different

00:29:30.420 experts different laboratories different witnesses the finding was similar that the bread had transformed

00:29:37.860 into heart heart tissue and a heart that had suffered and um the uh there are slight variations in the in

00:29:46.740 in the facts but the general thing of interest is that they've got similar findings that a piece of

00:29:53.700 bread has transformed into human heart a heart that has suffered so it's a confirmation i mean in science

00:30:01.380 they say you know you can't take one item by itself because that could be just an anomaly it has to be replicated

00:30:08.260 well it's not too bad now that we have four in a row in recent years all saying the same things you know you

00:30:14.180 think that if this sort of event this sort of finding was made known it would make front page news

00:30:22.020 can you imagine the ramifications if you stood out somewhere in the street and said you know what

00:30:26.740 in the world today a piece of bread has turned into human heart oh that's a no that can't happen

00:30:34.100 we now know it did happen and so um the effect of it on society eventually will follow

00:30:40.420 you know it's a funny way god has now decided to put his head into the science class he was denied

00:30:47.540 before now he has and they're not they can't walk away from that now and we'll talk about more about

00:30:53.940 that in my next interview but um we did a series of pathology tests on the buenos aires case and uh dna

00:31:01.940 testing when we did nuclear dna testing which is the looking at the information within within the

00:31:09.620 nucleus of the cell in numerous tests we were unable to get a human genetic profile

00:31:17.300 the profile you get in the normal standard nuclear dna test is a profile which is a combination of the

00:31:25.780 dna from the father and the mother in the one code and the question is why in none of these tests do we get

00:31:33.380 any code at all if we had got a code then we could almost certainly say it couldn't be jesus's blood

00:31:42.820 because we know he didn't have a father and god would not be confused in the world

00:31:48.820 by i think by allowing a father's identity to show up which could only come about to a sexual union

00:31:58.580 so whilst it's a non it's a no event it's it's it's an important event in the sense that everything

00:32:05.620 else is showing up that this blood is human but no code it may well be that this is a demonstration

00:32:13.380 scientifically that he was born of a virgin but i'll leave that later for further testing to confirm it

00:32:20.580 but on we have to place that on the table as a as a fact that needs to be addressed in the course of

00:32:28.020 the future dna testing we then went ahead and did mitochondrial dna testing which is the to determine

00:32:35.940 the the mother's code and we did forensic testing that deals with ancestry the ancestral line the mother's

00:32:43.380 line which is used in forensic cases and it's also used for idea for genetic testing for hereditary

00:32:53.540 so you can find out where you come from and when we subjected this to a a a lab in italy which has

00:33:02.980 developed the art of being able to take one cell out of an out of a sample open that up and look into

00:33:10.580 it up until this time there had not been this technical ability because what would normally

00:33:17.140 happen in dna testing is that you'd get the sample that you find on the crime scene put it into the

00:33:25.140 into the pot boil it up and then try and extract the dna and you'll probably get contamination dna coming

00:33:31.540 out and and uh you know you might get a mixture of dna information but with this technology that pulls out

00:33:39.780 the cell the white blood cell from the item you you bypass the contamination problem the lab that had

00:33:48.020 mastered the art of doing this uses technology that's like facial recognition it goes into the

00:33:54.820 cell and says this is what a white blood cell looks like and so we we'll grab those and put them

00:34:00.180 into another slot we'll be open them up and look at the dna but what they found when they were looking at

00:34:06.340 the information what they said to us was that the white blood cells didn't look like they normally

00:34:14.260 should look but we're treating them as white blood cells we end up getting a test result which showed

00:34:22.420 a dna profile from the mother's line there was additional information in it which i may talk about a bit

00:34:28.580 later but what we have got is a code information which would point to it to it being the code of mary

00:34:39.780 the jesus or the person's mother it's the mother's code that would go back you know in in line through

00:34:46.660 the mother back to presumably adam i don't know however we've got information which is a good reference

00:34:53.380 point to future work that can be done on the shroud about the maternal line now what is also interesting

00:35:00.900 is that i've mentioned briefly yesterday and i'll mention again today that we studied a parallel story

00:35:07.620 additional phenomenon that was occurring in bolivia of a statue of christ that had been crying and bleeding

00:35:14.740 we also did a series of genetic testings on that blood

00:35:18.580 we found first of all in the pathology that this blood was issued it came from a person

00:35:26.580 and this person had suffered traumatic injuries and that when we took a sample from the statue

00:35:33.540 the forensic pathologist says look this is not just blood there's skin there's epidermis attached to this blood

00:35:40.260 blood and it's part of the it's it's it's it's part of the clot that forms to protect the body from

00:35:48.020 bleeding after you've been injured there is a process that's gone on here and they said that this could

00:35:54.340 not possibly come from an inanimate object when we did the blood testing on the dna we also got no

00:36:00.260 human genetic profile from that blood from the nucleus we then subjected that blood to the same testing

00:36:07.540 that was done on the acoustic miracle of buenos aires with single cell technology and we got the same

00:36:14.260 maternal line as we did in the acoustic miracle it's fascinating stuff now you talk about um

00:36:20.900 the the the other cases in poland and in uh sakolga and linuxa they didn't do this testing that i'm aware

00:36:29.700 of it's only relatively new so it'll be interesting fine but it bypasses this whole question about

00:36:36.100 uh blood types because we didn't do blood typing in the buenos aires case because

00:36:42.660 we could we knew that we could use our samples to get more direct information

00:36:47.860 there may be a hundred or two hundred people in the world who have a b blood or whatever it is

00:36:52.100 it doesn't point to christ it's interesting that there may be similarities but it's not specific

00:36:57.780 enough and that's why we didn't do it so we didn't do a blood type on in this case although i know in

00:37:03.460 the other case they have done blood types and they've matched but to a skeptic is going to say

00:37:08.660 but there are plenty others in the world who's on that blood type doesn't believe it's jesus it's

00:37:12.740 interesting but the coincidence of there being three in a row in these cases is certainly good to have

00:37:19.300 but this new information is even more specific particularly when we have the opportunity now of

00:37:25.540 being able to do similar tests on the shroud of turin with the same technology and make comparisons

00:37:33.540 and that approach i have attempted to make to pope francis um for those testing the testing but it's

00:37:41.540 interesting coincidence that the person who initially started my investigation

00:37:48.420 was pope francis when he was the archbishop of the city now after 20 years when i need to knock on

00:37:55.860 the door of the vatican to finish my investigation on this born in the iris case the man to open that

00:38:02.740 door is the man who started the investigation no one's been able to get access to do any more studies on

00:38:10.900 the shroud since the advent of pope francis i think i've got a good chance in this story but i'm still

00:38:18.900 waiting for an answer however it stands there poised as an important test to be done for the benefit of

00:38:25.540 the church and hopefully that will happen in time but i want to just move on to one little point

00:38:32.340 you know pope francis started this story in terms of asking for the investigation

00:38:37.460 i presented the zuggaby results to him personally in buenos aires on the 17th of march 2006

00:38:46.740 and he was aware of what had happened there and we asked him is it okay if we tell the story

00:38:52.820 publicly and he said yes and since that time we have but the pope has constrained himself from

00:38:59.540 speaking about it for reasons i don't know but what is very interesting is that in 2019

00:39:07.460 in december the english newspapers were reporting that the chaplain to queen elizabeth the second

00:39:17.460 had converted to catholicism and one of the reasons he gave

00:39:23.700 was because of he how impressed he was with the scientific findings of the eucharistic miracle of

00:39:30.580 buenos aires he was actually reading my report of it he then said in this newspaper article

00:39:39.860 i think that the protestants have been wrong

00:39:43.540 in denying transubstantiation since the time of the reformation i'm changing my view now that's an

00:39:52.900 important statement and that's an important effect that this story has

00:39:57.460 he's changing ship from the imagine from the top of the church of indian in one sense i mean the queen

00:40:06.900 is the head of the church of indian he's there as the spiritual head

00:40:11.620 chaplain to the queen who's decided the protestants went the wrong way it's interesting and i think that

00:40:17.460 i mean they when when a protestant who has been

00:40:20.180 having trouble with this whole concept of catholic belief and transubstantiation

00:40:25.060 hears about the story they're certainly going to do some rethinking just like bishop ashenden

00:40:31.220 did when he came across the story so it's great news and honey could you imagine

00:40:37.860 if the pope would take the same lead to talk about the story in view of these results perhaps in time he

00:40:43.780 will but in the meantime there's a hell of a gap and so we have to make up that difference and that's

00:40:50.020 why countless people need to see your documentary and read your book because i think um it's called

00:40:57.860 my human heart uh it's available where is it available well it's available online you just type

00:41:03.540 in my human heart or otherwise reasonably now on the front of that cover just let everyone take a

00:41:10.820 mental photograph of that shot that is the heart in the buenos aires case found in the eucharist

00:41:17.940 every time you receive communion think of that the creator of the universe has placed his heart

00:41:24.020 in that communion house and in that uh picture is the story the white blood cells that are alive the

00:41:31.460 heart tissue that are suffering it's a memorial of his passion death and resurrection in that heart

00:41:37.380 tissue in that photograph so it's um so anyway there's there's a promotion to the book but the um

00:41:43.860 otherwise i just go to reason to believe just type in reason to believe believe it or not there's 2.5

00:41:51.220 billion entries under reason to believe i'm on the first page that will give you the website to be

00:41:57.460 able to look at the work i've done in particular uh this book and the other documentaries that i've

00:42:03.220 done on the eucharistic miracle so we only encourage people to do it they can go to the website see the

00:42:09.060 documentary and share it it's free um and i'm sure many people will be touched by it as you have

00:42:16.820 you've got in there a theological truth that i think a lot of people even catholics many catholics

00:42:22.100 who believe and receive and even believe in transubstantiation did they know that when they

00:42:27.780 receive our lord they're not receiving just the crucified body of christ died perhaps they might

00:42:32.740 think they're actually receiving the resurrected body of christ and uh there's so there's a beautiful

00:42:39.060 theological insight in there that many people probably didn't know so it's beautiful to come out through

00:42:44.740 your work here what an amazing blessing to have been doing this to be like you were as we as we spoke

00:42:52.740 of when we we did the um show on the stigmata of katia rivas the one to be able to show the world that

00:43:01.620 you make the world like thomas to be able to see to be able to sort of figuratively put their fingers

00:43:07.460 in the wounds uh to be able to see and here you are to be able to show them the truth the

00:43:14.580 reality of the presence of jesus christ and the holy eucharist ron what a blessed life god bless you

00:43:20.500 and thank you thank you very much john henry and god bless all of you and we'll see you next time

00:43:33.860 hi everyone this is john henry weston we hope you enjoyed this program to see more like it be sure to

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The John-Henry Westen Show - March 07, 2023

The Astonishing Proof For Jesus' Real Presence In The Eucharist

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