The John-Henry Westen Show - The question everyone’s asking： Is Francis the pope？

00:00:00.000 Let's begin, as you always do, with the sign of the cross.

00:00:02.780 In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen.

00:00:08.160 We knew these times would get tough and that they would come someday, and

00:00:11.720 to a large extent, I think they're here. But

00:00:15.400 the title of my talk today is called The Question that Everyone

00:00:20.160 is Asking. And it's that question.

00:00:24.880 Is Jorge Bergoglio the Pope

00:00:27.320 no longer is the Pope Catholic. That was done

00:00:32.020 away with about 11 years ago. But

00:00:35.720 yesterday was supremely instructive

00:00:39.920 for us. Because yesterday, you saw in vivo

00:00:43.500 something that happens at LifeSite every day.

00:00:48.360 The church is in a state of confusion.

00:00:51.420 And when the church is in a state of confusion,

00:00:53.660 there are disagreements among good people.

00:00:58.360 I would say among saints.

00:01:00.500 And you saw that here yesterday on stage.

00:01:04.620 And you also saw something really, really, really beautiful.

00:01:09.320 You saw a loving respect for brothers and sisters

00:01:14.120 in the Lord, while acknowledging we have real differences

00:01:20.240 that mean a lot.

00:01:24.240 And there are holy people on both sides of the debate.

00:01:27.460 As weird as that sounds, it's not one of those arguments

00:01:30.740 where it's about, I'm right, you're wrong.

00:01:32.640 I'm going to beat you up for it.

00:01:35.580 It's, I'm going to listen to you

00:01:37.340 and try and take in what you say.

00:01:40.560 Even if I say, ah, ah, ah, there's something wrong.

00:01:43.300 That's okay. I'm going to listen.

00:01:45.040 I'm going to take it in.

00:01:46.080 And I'm going to counter.

00:01:49.040 And what is that?

00:01:51.620 Why would you do that?

00:01:53.920 You have your point.

00:01:57.080 Because it's the pursuit of truth

00:01:59.480 that we're after.

00:02:00.920 We're pursuing truth

00:02:02.560 because truth is a person, Jesus Christ,

00:02:04.500 like I said yesterday.

00:02:05.200 And that's whom we pursue.

00:02:08.800 And there's not two truths.

00:02:11.140 So there's one answer

00:02:12.440 to these difficult questions

00:02:14.020 which he will reveal in his time.

00:02:16.660 And unfortunately,

00:02:18.420 lots of the questions are open today.

00:02:20.920 More so than ever before.

00:02:24.680 Including the one that's the topic of my remarks today.

00:02:30.340 So, debate is good.

00:02:33.820 And it's healthy.

00:02:34.520 Especially when we respect one another

00:02:36.820 and love one another

00:02:37.740 and pray for one another.

00:02:40.660 So, this question

00:02:43.040 has raised itself

00:02:44.600 from the very beginning

00:02:46.420 of the papacy.

00:02:47.880 A lot of people

00:02:49.220 who watched

00:02:50.120 and were in the know

00:02:51.640 watched day one

00:02:53.680 as Francis came out

00:02:55.260 on the balcony.

00:02:55.800 and if they were paying attention

00:02:58.520 and noticed

00:02:59.160 Cardinal Godfrey Daniels

00:03:02.420 on the balcony

00:03:03.860 with Francis.

00:03:07.220 How many in the room,

00:03:08.100 just a show of hands,

00:03:08.980 know

00:03:09.300 who Godfrey Daniels is?

00:03:13.980 Okay, not many.

00:03:15.020 So, let me give you

00:03:15.680 a brief explanation.

00:03:17.660 Godfrey Daniels

00:03:18.620 is a very controversial

00:03:20.680 Cardinal.

00:03:21.840 He is probably,

00:03:24.340 I would venture to say,

00:03:25.980 the most controversial

00:03:27.100 Cardinal in the Church.

00:03:29.640 Why?

00:03:30.620 Well,

00:03:31.320 because

00:03:31.800 when the King of Belgium

00:03:33.620 went to approve

00:03:34.980 a pro-abortion law

00:03:35.940 and wasn't going to do that,

00:03:37.840 he encouraged,

00:03:38.600 the Cardinal encouraged him,

00:03:39.700 oh, it's fine.

00:03:40.620 You can go ahead

00:03:41.160 and do that.

00:03:42.560 He wears a rainbow stall

00:03:44.060 because he was one

00:03:44.800 of the early adopters.

00:03:45.920 He predates James Martin,

00:03:47.860 but he wore the rainbow stall

00:03:49.500 before that.

00:03:50.820 But it's not just

00:03:52.280 in terms of the Catholic Church

00:03:54.120 and, you know,

00:03:54.720 Catholic traditionalists

00:03:55.720 or whatever they called it

00:03:56.420 that he's controversial for.

00:03:58.700 No, no, no, no, no, no.

00:04:01.100 The sex abuse scandal

00:04:02.800 was early for him.

00:04:08.380 He is the only Cardinal

00:04:10.200 ever caught on tape

00:04:12.220 covering up sexual abuse.

00:04:15.940 Not just any sexual abuse.

00:04:18.280 Covering up pedophilic,

00:04:21.480 incestuous sexual abuse.

00:04:25.860 That's really weird.

00:04:27.560 You can go look it up online.

00:04:29.440 He was meeting with

00:04:30.780 a victim of abuse

00:04:32.200 who was the nephew

00:04:36.140 of his Uncle Bishop,

00:04:37.800 friend of Cardinal Daniel's,

00:04:39.140 who had abused him

00:04:40.280 as a child.

00:04:41.560 He went to tell

00:04:42.540 Cardinal Daniel's

00:04:43.380 that he was going

00:04:43.920 to report his uncle

00:04:45.200 to the authorities.

00:04:47.100 And Cardinal Daniel's

00:04:48.220 is on tape

00:04:49.340 telling him,

00:04:50.420 no, don't do that.

00:04:51.260 He's retiring next year.

00:04:52.660 Look to your own sins.

00:04:56.640 And it's on tape

00:04:57.580 because the guy recorded it.

00:05:00.860 And yet,

00:05:02.280 and yet,

00:05:04.480 he was on the balcony

00:05:05.760 with Pope Francis.

00:05:07.060 When the Pope gets elected,

00:05:09.080 there's very few Cardinals,

00:05:10.520 A, who can fit

00:05:11.100 on the balcony,

00:05:12.020 and B,

00:05:12.780 they're selected,

00:05:14.180 handpicked

00:05:14.760 by the new Pope

00:05:16.400 to come with him

00:05:17.280 on the balcony

00:05:17.900 because they mean

00:05:18.640 something to him.

00:05:20.960 Given that controversy,

00:05:22.940 you'd think,

00:05:23.900 even out of prudence,

00:05:26.400 even if he was like

00:05:27.180 your best pal

00:05:27.880 and got you elected,

00:05:30.220 you wouldn't bring him out

00:05:31.480 because it's too Cardinal?

00:05:32.160 No, he would bring him out.

00:05:33.220 Not only would he bring him out,

00:05:35.380 even when that got pointed out,

00:05:38.040 he was a personal appointee

00:05:39.460 of Pope Francis

00:05:40.160 to the first Synod

00:05:41.520 on the Family in 2014

00:05:42.760 and the second Synod

00:05:44.320 on the Family in 2015.

00:05:48.240 So,

00:05:49.020 things were stunning

00:05:50.220 from the very,

00:05:52.160 very beginning.

00:05:52.860 This is day one.

00:05:54.960 I didn't watch it,

00:05:56.420 so I didn't catch it

00:05:58.140 on day one.

00:06:00.000 On day three,

00:06:02.360 Pope Francis

00:06:03.260 praised

00:06:04.420 Cardinal Walter Casper

00:06:06.120 as a theologian

00:06:07.700 who does theology

00:06:08.660 on the knees,

00:06:09.680 and that one I caught

00:06:10.920 because I was like,

00:06:11.660 whoa, whoa, whoa.

00:06:14.160 A lot of us

00:06:15.240 in working

00:06:16.920 in these spheres

00:06:17.660 for a long time

00:06:18.460 used to refer

00:06:19.520 to Cardinal Casper

00:06:20.840 as Casper,

00:06:21.420 the friendly ecumenist

00:06:22.480 because he would go

00:06:25.520 and he was part

00:06:27.080 of the Vatican

00:06:27.560 and part of the Vatican's

00:06:29.580 work in inter-religious dialogue,

00:06:31.140 they called it,

00:06:32.000 and he said early on,

00:06:32.960 this is in the 80s,

00:06:34.240 that we shouldn't

00:06:36.240 convert the Jews.

00:06:39.240 There are elder brothers

00:06:40.360 in the faith

00:06:40.780 they don't need

00:06:41.560 to convert.

00:06:43.440 Let me give you

00:06:44.520 the perspective

00:06:45.640 of someone

00:06:47.220 whom I greatly admire

00:06:49.000 who works with

00:06:49.860 LifeSite every day

00:06:50.800 on that question.

00:06:53.440 She is a Jew.

00:06:54.420 She was born a Jew

00:06:56.200 and she calls herself

00:06:57.660 a completed Jew.

00:06:59.780 Her name is

00:07:00.880 Mother Miriam

00:07:01.440 and every day

00:07:02.280 at LifeSite

00:07:02.780 we run the

00:07:03.420 Mother Miriam show.

00:07:08.440 I told you

00:07:09.380 we work with saints.

00:07:11.920 And so,

00:07:12.760 she had this

00:07:14.160 video

00:07:15.960 and, you know,

00:07:17.060 being Mother Miriam

00:07:17.860 and being on LifeSite

00:07:18.700 is going to be controversial.

00:07:20.080 So she said,

00:07:20.960 and Bishop Schneider

00:07:22.880 was with her

00:07:23.360 at the time.

00:07:23.740 You know Athanasius Schneider

00:07:24.680 do you?

00:07:26.500 Amazing.

00:07:27.300 Amazing people.

00:07:30.180 So,

00:07:30.920 she says,

00:07:32.920 the greatest form

00:07:34.700 of anti-Semitism,

00:07:37.240 and she's including

00:07:39.460 the Holocaust,

00:07:40.440 the greatest form

00:07:41.560 of anti-Semitism

00:07:42.500 is keeping Jesus

00:07:44.920 from the Jews.

00:07:49.220 Ouch.

00:07:49.820 that totally

00:07:51.320 condemns

00:07:51.920 Walter Kasper

00:07:52.780 as an anti-Semite.

00:07:57.740 So,

00:07:58.520 I mean,

00:07:58.780 we're living

00:07:59.320 in the most

00:07:59.880 interesting times

00:08:00.720 you can imagine.

00:08:01.820 We are seeing

00:08:02.700 debate on a scale

00:08:04.680 you might never

00:08:05.500 have thought possible.

00:08:08.820 And I raise

00:08:10.340 all these issues

00:08:11.280 and I was so

00:08:12.720 thankful for

00:08:13.760 the debate

00:08:14.280 yesterday

00:08:14.840 because

00:08:16.300 it

00:08:17.000 honestly

00:08:18.020 exemplifies

00:08:19.340 what I'm about

00:08:20.260 to show you.

00:08:22.520 This is really tough.

00:08:23.760 As you can imagine,

00:08:26.900 LifeSite,

00:08:27.680 as I said yesterday,

00:08:28.500 it's all about

00:08:29.440 promoting the truth.

00:08:31.600 Who is Jesus Christ?

00:08:33.360 So our whole work

00:08:34.620 is evangelizing

00:08:36.440 through news

00:08:37.020 and we cover

00:08:37.520 the hard issues,

00:08:39.380 life, faith,

00:08:39.840 family, freedom,

00:08:40.560 all the ones where

00:08:41.280 the devil's working

00:08:42.340 the hardest

00:08:42.700 to get you

00:08:43.520 to go the wrong way.

00:08:45.580 Remember that

00:08:46.200 from Peter Kreeft,

00:08:48.160 famous quote.

00:08:50.100 You ever notice

00:08:50.920 how all

00:08:52.560 of the culture war

00:08:53.500 is around

00:08:54.520 one issue?

00:08:57.100 Abortion,

00:08:58.000 homosexuality,

00:08:59.180 divorce,

00:08:59.840 promiscuity,

00:09:00.720 pornography,

00:09:01.740 even stem cell research

00:09:02.780 and he went on

00:09:03.580 and on and on

00:09:04.020 this whole laundry list

00:09:05.020 and you're like,

00:09:06.880 it's about the same issue?

00:09:09.040 Oh gosh,

00:09:10.180 it's all about

00:09:11.260 the marital act.

00:09:14.500 It's all about

00:09:15.480 the act that's

00:09:17.320 supposed to be

00:09:18.160 procreation.

00:09:20.180 It congeals

00:09:21.220 really well

00:09:21.860 with what

00:09:22.780 Sister Lucy said

00:09:24.040 our lady told her,

00:09:25.560 right?

00:09:25.800 Or Jacinta anyway.

00:09:27.420 More souls

00:09:28.160 go to hell

00:09:28.560 because of sins

00:09:29.100 of the flesh

00:09:29.660 than for any

00:09:30.440 other reason.

00:09:32.060 Why is this

00:09:33.060 the greatest

00:09:33.660 superhighway

00:09:34.700 for the devil

00:09:36.080 to bring souls

00:09:37.060 to himself

00:09:37.900 rather than

00:09:38.680 to our Lord?

00:09:40.140 How is that?

00:09:41.020 Why is that?

00:09:42.580 It's interesting.

00:09:43.740 John Paul II

00:09:44.380 taught

00:09:44.820 in, you know,

00:09:47.320 his great works

00:09:48.980 on the family

00:09:50.140 and on

00:09:50.700 the procreative act

00:09:53.280 about how

00:09:54.980 God sets up

00:09:57.360 throughout the world

00:09:58.740 from creation

00:09:59.700 an example

00:10:00.740 of the Holy Trinity.

00:10:02.060 Father loves

00:10:02.900 the Son so much

00:10:03.720 he fully gives himself

00:10:04.720 to the other,

00:10:06.280 the Son

00:10:06.880 reciprocally

00:10:08.280 and that

00:10:09.580 self-giving love

00:10:10.740 is the person

00:10:11.380 of the Holy Spirit.

00:10:12.700 So the Trinity

00:10:13.700 sort of

00:10:14.240 is exemplified

00:10:15.320 from the beginning

00:10:16.180 of creation

00:10:16.800 in the family.

00:10:18.980 So if you're Satan

00:10:19.900 and you want

00:10:20.440 to attack

00:10:21.120 that to which

00:10:23.640 we're called,

00:10:24.260 all of us are called

00:10:25.120 for all eternity,

00:10:26.020 you attack

00:10:27.580 the image

00:10:28.120 of the Trinity

00:10:28.560 in the family.

00:10:29.520 And that's what he did.

00:10:30.920 And that's why

00:10:31.820 it is

00:10:33.180 the

00:10:34.020 attack

00:10:35.020 that is the

00:10:35.540 superhighway to hell.

00:10:36.180 it's what

00:10:37.240 Sister Lucy

00:10:38.100 warned about.

00:10:39.640 In fact,

00:10:40.060 Our Lady

00:10:40.420 told Sister Lucy

00:10:42.480 that

00:10:43.940 the ultimate

00:10:49.220 or final

00:10:49.960 or decisive battle

00:10:51.360 between our Lord

00:10:52.060 and the reign of Satan

00:10:52.660 will be over

00:10:53.300 marriage

00:10:54.520 and the family.

00:10:56.040 And it's very interesting

00:10:57.540 because at this

00:10:58.280 Rome Life Forum

00:10:59.000 in 2017

00:11:00.800 on the 100th

00:11:01.720 anniversary of Fatima,

00:11:03.660 Cardinal,

00:11:04.100 the late,

00:11:04.640 great,

00:11:05.000 Cardinal Kaffara

00:11:05.700 spoke to

00:11:07.160 the Rome Life Forum

00:11:07.960 and he revealed

00:11:09.380 for the first time

00:11:10.620 that he was given

00:11:12.980 that letter

00:11:13.540 years ago.

00:11:14.800 He revealed the letter

00:11:15.980 some years ago

00:11:17.400 as well.

00:11:17.820 He was given that letter

00:11:18.440 because he wrote,

00:11:19.420 he was opening up

00:11:20.400 the

00:11:21.840 John Paul II Institute

00:11:24.460 and he wrote

00:11:28.220 Sister Lucy

00:11:29.040 saying,

00:11:30.800 please pray for me,

00:11:31.320 I'm required to do this work

00:11:32.380 by the Holy Father.

00:11:33.360 Didn't expect it

00:11:34.100 to answer or anything.

00:11:34.620 She writes back,

00:11:35.480 I'll be praying for you

00:11:36.140 and this message

00:11:37.040 because the Institute

00:11:39.240 for Marriage and the Family

00:11:40.060 is there

00:11:40.440 and he's,

00:11:41.620 she's told,

00:11:42.780 oh,

00:11:43.320 yeah,

00:11:44.220 the decisive battle

00:11:45.180 between our Lord

00:11:45.700 and the reign of Satan

00:11:46.440 will be over marriage

00:11:47.080 and the family,

00:11:47.500 what you're doing.

00:11:48.700 And she's like,

00:11:49.400 wow.

00:11:50.180 Then he says,

00:11:51.300 in 2017,

00:11:53.620 and I tell you now,

00:11:55.300 I believe that this battle

00:11:56.960 is on right now

00:11:57.800 as of 2014,

00:11:59.840 as of the Synod

00:12:00.640 and the Family.

00:12:02.200 So,

00:12:03.420 hugely interesting times

00:12:04.840 pointed to as such

00:12:06.560 by Our Lady.

00:12:07.900 We heard the incredible

00:12:08.900 presentation from David

00:12:09.900 yesterday outlining

00:12:10.960 a timeline in a way

00:12:13.700 that matches up

00:12:16.660 with what happened

00:12:18.200 to St. Margaret,

00:12:19.000 Mary,

00:12:19.220 Alacoque.

00:12:20.020 You got to look that up again.

00:12:21.380 It's also interesting.

00:12:23.160 We don't plan these dates

00:12:24.620 by the days

00:12:25.700 on the calendar

00:12:26.180 of the saints.

00:12:27.460 God apparently does.

00:12:28.760 Yesterday was the feast day

00:12:30.140 of St. Margaret and Mary

00:12:31.700 in the traditional calendar,

00:12:34.000 but nonetheless,

00:12:34.480 yes.

00:12:35.400 And so,

00:12:36.180 he honestly gave the talk.

00:12:38.020 I don't know that you knew

00:12:38.940 that it was the date of,

00:12:40.020 but anyway,

00:12:40.820 he gave the talk,

00:12:42.140 making that comparison

00:12:43.080 on that day.

00:12:43.820 It's stunning.

00:12:44.560 Absolutely stunning.

00:12:45.900 Today is the feast

00:12:47.560 of what?

00:12:49.240 St. Luke the Evangelist.

00:12:50.860 What's St. Luke

00:12:51.640 known most for

00:12:52.520 in his gospel?

00:12:54.380 He's the gospel

00:12:55.340 basically of Our Lady, right?

00:12:57.440 He gives us all the detail

00:12:58.760 that he couldn't have got

00:12:59.400 from anywhere else.

00:13:01.280 Isn't this cool?

00:13:02.120 Think about that.

00:13:02.840 Yesterday,

00:13:04.000 sacred heart of Jesus.

00:13:05.720 Today,

00:13:06.660 St. Luke,

00:13:07.180 so it's Our Lady.

00:13:08.820 Remember what

00:13:09.620 Bishop said

00:13:11.240 about the pillars?

00:13:13.520 Do you notice something?

00:13:15.920 Pillar.

00:13:17.540 Pillar.

00:13:18.660 That's not by accident.

00:13:20.340 It's the same thing.

00:13:21.820 It's the pillars

00:13:22.400 of St. John Bosco's dream.

00:13:24.040 Our Lord

00:13:25.560 in the Holy Eucharist,

00:13:27.000 the Holy Sacrifice

00:13:27.560 of the Mass,

00:13:28.240 and Our Lady.

00:13:30.240 There's no coincidences.

00:13:32.480 So it's beautiful.

00:13:33.600 So we have

00:13:34.180 this going on.

00:13:35.500 Now I'm going to talk

00:13:36.060 to you about saints,

00:13:36.820 modern day saints.

00:13:40.820 People I love.

00:13:44.420 This question,

00:13:46.700 is Jorge Bergoglio,

00:13:48.140 the Pope,

00:13:49.180 was first,

00:13:50.520 in my mind,

00:13:51.600 unasked.

00:13:52.220 Because it was like,

00:13:53.140 well, of course.

00:13:55.080 Then,

00:13:55.740 that same Cardinal Daniels

00:13:56.960 came forward

00:13:57.580 with his

00:13:59.280 approved biography

00:14:01.180 in which he reveals

00:14:03.060 that there is

00:14:04.060 a whole group

00:14:04.580 of cardinals

00:14:04.960 that had been working

00:14:05.740 to elect

00:14:06.320 Jorge Maria Bergoglio.

00:14:09.320 They tried

00:14:10.140 in the 2005 election

00:14:11.300 and failed,

00:14:12.520 and then were successful

00:14:13.940 in 2013.

00:14:15.980 And he describes,

00:14:18.420 self-describes,

00:14:19.220 the group

00:14:19.540 as the San Galen Mafia.

00:14:22.900 Great book on it

00:14:24.100 by Julia Maloney.

00:14:25.320 That's the most easy

00:14:26.240 to understand,

00:14:27.000 shortest book on it.

00:14:27.820 She summarizes

00:14:28.500 everything beautifully.

00:14:30.520 That presented

00:14:31.520 a real problem.

00:14:34.940 A real problem

00:14:36.040 because it pointed

00:14:37.980 to a violation

00:14:39.160 of the rules

00:14:41.120 for election,

00:14:41.900 in fact,

00:14:42.680 the Constitution

00:14:43.620 written by

00:14:45.660 Pope St. John Paul II

00:14:47.160 on the election

00:14:48.660 of the Roman pontiff.

00:14:50.540 And that

00:14:51.400 is very scary indeed

00:14:53.240 because that document,

00:14:56.460 and I'll read you a quote,

00:14:58.020 this is from

00:14:59.000 Universi Dominici Gregis,

00:15:01.440 if anyone's interested

00:15:02.260 in the actual name

00:15:04.900 of the document.

00:15:05.540 But the quote

00:15:08.760 is from paragraph 76

00:15:10.640 of that document.

00:15:13.960 It goes like this.

00:15:18.700 Oops.

00:15:19.400 There we go.

00:15:23.800 Ah.

00:15:24.960 Okay.

00:15:26.320 Basically,

00:15:27.000 let me just paraphrase it

00:15:28.340 for you,

00:15:28.540 but you can look it up.

00:15:29.360 Universi Dominici Gregis,

00:15:30.520 paragraph 76.

00:15:32.060 If this election

00:15:33.200 takes place

00:15:33.940 in a way

00:15:34.640 basically opposed

00:15:36.560 to the rules

00:15:36.940 laid down here,

00:15:37.580 it's a constitution,

00:15:38.920 the election

00:15:39.680 is for that very reason

00:15:40.660 null and void,

00:15:41.340 conferring no power

00:15:42.220 on the one elected.

00:15:44.440 That presented

00:15:45.380 a real

00:15:46.200 interesting possibility.

00:15:49.780 But the one person

00:15:51.960 who was most,

00:15:54.440 you could say,

00:15:55.440 insistent

00:15:56.280 that Pope Francis

00:15:58.300 is indeed the Pope

00:15:59.380 was one of

00:16:01.720 my greatest heroes.

00:16:03.940 His name

00:16:04.620 is Bishop

00:16:05.440 Athanasius Schneider.

00:16:08.080 So,

00:16:09.040 over the years

00:16:09.900 we published

00:16:10.760 a few of his pieces

00:16:12.120 explaining how

00:16:13.760 absolutely,

00:16:15.560 without doubt,

00:16:16.720 without question,

00:16:18.280 Pope Francis

00:16:18.720 is the Pope.

00:16:21.960 But,

00:16:22.840 of course,

00:16:23.280 the situation

00:16:23.740 over the years

00:16:24.120 got much,

00:16:25.440 much,

00:16:25.800 much,

00:16:26.180 much,

00:16:26.460 much,

00:16:26.860 much worse

00:16:27.420 to a point

00:16:28.320 where Bishop

00:16:30.600 Schneider himself

00:16:31.600 accused Francis

00:16:33.100 of heresy.

00:16:34.480 Now,

00:16:34.720 not formal heresy,

00:16:36.680 but heresy,

00:16:37.320 nonetheless,

00:16:37.740 heresy in documents.

00:16:39.240 The most recent time

00:16:40.500 was with the document

00:16:42.180 Desiderio,

00:16:43.580 Desideravi.

00:16:45.460 To give you

00:16:46.360 a quick snippet,

00:16:47.540 that was the one

00:16:48.300 that basically said,

00:16:50.140 Bishop Strickland

00:16:51.260 joined in that

00:16:52.260 condemnation,

00:16:52.880 by the way,

00:16:53.960 that was the one

00:16:54.620 that said,

00:16:55.580 to paraphrase,

00:16:56.860 all you need

00:16:57.340 to receive Holy Communion

00:16:58.160 is faith,

00:16:59.300 which is a direct heresy

00:17:00.700 according to

00:17:01.500 the Council of Trent.

00:17:03.820 So,

00:17:04.840 I should add

00:17:06.800 something,

00:17:07.280 though.

00:17:08.200 That document

00:17:09.240 came

00:17:10.280 on the day

00:17:12.420 that Nancy Pelosi

00:17:13.920 went to the Vatican

00:17:15.380 and received

00:17:15.900 Holy Communion

00:17:16.380 at a Papal Mass.

00:17:17.100 Remember,

00:17:18.140 Nancy Pelosi,

00:17:19.100 after a decade

00:17:20.300 of being

00:17:22.160 asked

00:17:23.000 by her bishop,

00:17:24.280 Archbishop

00:17:24.800 Salvatore Cordellion,

00:17:26.960 to go away

00:17:29.120 from her

00:17:29.760 vehement

00:17:31.080 pro-abortion stance

00:17:32.200 and refused

00:17:33.860 and refused

00:17:34.440 and refused.

00:17:35.100 So,

00:17:35.320 after a decade

00:17:36.140 of pleading

00:17:36.920 to meet with her,

00:17:37.760 even,

00:17:39.260 she refused,

00:17:40.040 and so he made

00:17:40.860 a formal decree

00:17:41.880 saying that

00:17:42.940 she was not

00:17:43.700 to be administered

00:17:44.420 Holy Communion.

00:17:46.360 The Pope

00:17:47.220 criticized him

00:17:48.240 twice,

00:17:48.900 publicly,

00:17:49.520 at least,

00:17:49.980 that I know of,

00:17:51.260 for saying that.

00:17:53.000 and

00:17:53.960 invited

00:17:55.920 Nancy Pelosi

00:17:56.840 to a Papal Mass

00:17:57.880 at which she received

00:17:58.720 Holy Communion

00:17:59.180 and on that very day

00:18:00.620 issued this document.

00:18:03.620 So,

00:18:04.320 things are as controversial

00:18:06.520 as can be.

00:18:08.900 So,

00:18:09.460 given all of that,

00:18:11.140 I went back

00:18:11.900 to

00:18:13.120 Bishop Schneider,

00:18:15.400 met him in Rome,

00:18:16.380 and had a lengthy

00:18:17.480 two-hour-long interview

00:18:18.880 with him

00:18:19.420 over this question.

00:18:21.080 who was very gracious

00:18:24.020 and allowed

00:18:26.040 the interview.

00:18:26.680 And I would encourage

00:18:27.220 you to watch it

00:18:27.720 because it's

00:18:29.120 a great defense

00:18:31.100 of Francis

00:18:32.520 as Pope.

00:18:34.320 And I'm going to

00:18:35.080 summarize it for you.

00:18:38.040 One of the things

00:18:38.840 that happened to me

00:18:39.540 with that interview

00:18:40.480 is I came away

00:18:41.400 wondering more

00:18:43.620 about the question

00:18:44.420 than when I went in.

00:18:45.460 that's not what

00:18:47.140 I was hoping for.

00:18:49.480 Part of the reason

00:18:50.580 is because

00:18:51.920 I asked him

00:18:52.920 about

00:18:53.200 Universi Dominici Gregis

00:18:54.580 because it's the

00:18:56.200 Constitution

00:18:56.880 written by

00:18:58.180 Pope St. John Paul II

00:18:59.600 on how

00:19:01.040 popes are to get

00:19:02.020 elected.

00:19:04.140 And when I came

00:19:05.220 to that question

00:19:06.600 with him,

00:19:08.420 he said,

00:19:10.160 nope,

00:19:10.340 that's a man-made law.

00:19:13.060 Basically,

00:19:13.600 it doesn't count.

00:19:17.640 And I doubt

00:19:19.820 it was not expecting.

00:19:22.200 You know,

00:19:22.980 I thought,

00:19:23.620 look,

00:19:23.900 I'm just a journalist.

00:19:24.760 So I thought,

00:19:25.360 you know,

00:19:25.540 maybe there's some

00:19:26.140 fancy explanation

00:19:26.960 theological

00:19:27.440 that I don't understand.

00:19:29.080 But the answer

00:19:30.460 was basically

00:19:31.120 that's a man-made law.

00:19:32.980 Basically,

00:19:33.540 John Paul can't do that

00:19:34.800 because the election

00:19:35.720 of the Roman pontiff

00:19:36.720 has been established

00:19:37.820 in antiquity

00:19:38.600 and therefore it counts

00:19:39.380 and it can't be changed,

00:19:40.280 whatever.

00:19:41.580 That's an oversimplication.

00:19:43.380 But anyway,

00:19:45.440 to me,

00:19:45.940 I was stunned

00:19:47.460 by the answer

00:19:47.980 because John Paul II

00:19:49.900 is, of course,

00:19:50.620 one of my great heroes

00:19:51.420 and it's very,

00:19:53.160 very confusing.

00:19:56.400 And

00:19:56.800 most recently

00:19:59.820 when the Pope

00:20:00.720 came and said

00:20:02.460 about,

00:20:03.320 you know,

00:20:03.900 all religions

00:20:05.780 are paths to God,

00:20:07.200 he confirmed it

00:20:08.880 the next day

00:20:09.600 saying God again

00:20:10.680 wills

00:20:11.980 the diversity

00:20:12.840 of religions.

00:20:15.040 Bishop Schneider

00:20:15.700 went on

00:20:16.680 and he's been

00:20:17.580 one of the only ones,

00:20:19.340 obviously the one

00:20:20.280 in this room

00:20:20.800 more so than

00:20:21.840 anyone else

00:20:22.720 on earth,

00:20:23.720 but

00:20:23.900 Bishop Schneider,

00:20:27.480 yet uncancelled,

00:20:29.100 has been

00:20:30.300 vocal

00:20:31.640 in

00:20:32.480 condemning

00:20:34.140 the errors

00:20:34.560 that are coming

00:20:34.980 from Francis.

00:20:35.380 So this is what

00:20:37.360 he said

00:20:37.880 on EW10

00:20:39.040 responding to

00:20:39.980 Raymond Arroyo

00:20:40.760 when Raymond asks

00:20:41.980 about

00:20:42.500 the Holy Father.

00:20:44.180 Watch this.

00:20:44.720 Pope Francis

00:20:45.400 made comments

00:20:46.380 at an interreligious

00:20:47.520 meeting last week

00:20:48.620 that are still

00:20:49.500 being felt.

00:20:50.320 He said,

00:20:51.280 every religion

00:20:52.500 is a way

00:20:53.080 to arrive at God.

00:20:54.440 There are different

00:20:55.220 languages to arrive

00:20:56.240 at God,

00:20:56.720 but God

00:20:57.160 is for all.

00:20:58.220 Your Excellency,

00:20:59.360 is every religion

00:21:01.100 a path to God?

00:21:02.260 Such affirmation

00:21:03.840 of Pope Francis

00:21:04.960 which you quoted

00:21:05.860 is clearly

00:21:07.820 against

00:21:08.620 the divine

00:21:10.240 revelation.

00:21:12.360 It contradicts

00:21:13.640 directly

00:21:14.240 the first commandment

00:21:16.160 of God

00:21:16.780 which is

00:21:18.100 ever valid.

00:21:19.560 You shall not

00:21:20.280 have other gods

00:21:21.380 besides me.

00:21:23.060 This is so clear

00:21:24.100 and such statement

00:21:26.480 contradicts

00:21:27.480 the entire

00:21:28.520 gospel

00:21:29.580 where Jesus Christ

00:21:31.260 said,

00:21:32.140 no one

00:21:32.620 comes to the

00:21:33.820 Father

00:21:34.220 except through me.

00:21:36.700 That's a difficult

00:21:37.820 thing to process

00:21:38.920 I think

00:21:39.400 for a lot of

00:21:39.920 Catholics,

00:21:40.640 Bishop,

00:21:41.320 that,

00:21:41.720 you know,

00:21:43.220 the Pope

00:21:43.640 is saying something

00:21:44.520 that runs

00:21:45.160 counter to

00:21:46.200 the first

00:21:47.800 commandment

00:21:48.280 of God.

00:21:48.680 How do you

00:21:49.040 reconcile that?

00:21:49.840 How do you

00:21:50.080 reconcile that

00:21:50.640 as a bishop?

00:21:51.360 How do you

00:21:51.720 reconcile that

00:21:52.280 as a faithful

00:21:52.880 Catholic?

00:21:53.320 Well,

00:21:54.140 we had

00:21:54.580 God permitted

00:21:56.060 that the

00:21:56.520 first Pope,

00:21:58.760 Simon Peter,

00:22:02.360 he renounced,

00:22:06.240 denied Christ,

00:22:07.920 you know,

00:22:08.360 three times.

00:22:09.560 And he was

00:22:10.900 appointed

00:22:11.980 the vicar

00:22:14.580 of Christ.

00:22:16.040 But Peter

00:22:17.620 repented

00:22:18.620 and he

00:22:21.100 again

00:22:21.560 defended

00:22:23.280 Christ

00:22:23.880 and confessed

00:22:24.860 him

00:22:25.240 and gave

00:22:25.760 his life

00:22:26.360 for Christ

00:22:26.980 as a martyr.

00:22:28.640 And so,

00:22:29.340 in this case

00:22:30.760 today,

00:22:31.300 we have to

00:22:31.900 simply to pray

00:22:33.080 for Pope Francis

00:22:34.100 that he may

00:22:35.720 receive

00:22:36.960 this

00:22:37.580 grace of

00:22:38.900 the Lord

00:22:39.460 as Peter

00:22:40.340 received

00:22:40.980 to repent

00:22:42.940 and to

00:22:44.660 again

00:22:45.160 clearly,

00:22:46.920 courageously

00:22:47.600 confess

00:22:48.160 that there

00:22:48.660 is no

00:22:49.360 other name

00:22:50.580 given

00:22:51.460 to man

00:22:52.780 in which

00:22:54.460 they can

00:22:54.880 be saved

00:22:55.500 except

00:22:56.120 Jesus Christ,

00:22:58.980 the incarnate

00:22:59.920 Son of God,

00:23:00.740 the only

00:23:01.500 Redeemer

00:23:02.100 of mankind.

00:23:02.760 So you

00:23:10.640 see in there

00:23:11.500 a beautiful

00:23:12.360 defense of

00:23:13.280 the teaching

00:23:13.840 of our

00:23:14.760 Lord.

00:23:15.820 But you

00:23:16.480 also see

00:23:17.140 something

00:23:17.680 very weird.

00:23:19.860 Because I

00:23:20.480 was like,

00:23:21.120 wait a minute,

00:23:22.720 like,

00:23:23.280 he just

00:23:23.560 answered in

00:23:24.000 like 30

00:23:24.520 seconds the

00:23:25.240 question that

00:23:25.720 I went there

00:23:26.260 to Rome

00:23:26.760 to ask him

00:23:27.380 and spent

00:23:27.920 two hours

00:23:28.340 with him

00:23:28.620 and I was

00:23:28.840 like,

00:23:29.600 wow,

00:23:30.200 that was

00:23:30.500 awesome.

00:23:31.200 It's done.

00:23:32.320 Peter,

00:23:33.020 first pope,

00:23:33.680 denied Christ

00:23:34.160 at times,

00:23:35.240 done.

00:23:35.900 Every pope

00:23:36.560 from now

00:23:37.480 on can

00:23:37.880 deny Christ,

00:23:38.600 do anything.

00:23:39.280 It doesn't

00:23:39.620 even matter.

00:23:41.820 That was

00:23:42.380 a five-second

00:23:43.060 thought before

00:23:43.780 I went,

00:23:45.000 wait a minute,

00:23:46.540 wait a minute,

00:23:47.920 wait,

00:23:48.260 wait,

00:23:48.560 wait,

00:23:48.820 wait a minute.

00:23:50.420 And I

00:23:51.380 went,

00:23:51.900 was Peter,

00:23:53.700 when was

00:23:54.860 Peter pope?

00:23:55.380 Was he pope

00:23:56.200 when he denied

00:23:56.660 Christ?

00:23:57.960 So,

00:23:58.840 thankfully on

00:23:59.320 staff we

00:23:59.640 have a lot

00:23:59.980 of,

00:24:00.500 really,

00:24:01.320 really smart

00:24:01.980 people.

00:24:02.820 So,

00:24:03.340 one of

00:24:04.640 my staffers

00:24:05.320 says,

00:24:05.940 no,

00:24:06.100 it's

00:24:06.260 de fide

00:24:06.700 that he

00:24:07.340 was not

00:24:07.680 pope then.

00:24:10.040 De fide

00:24:10.580 means it

00:24:11.580 is an

00:24:11.800 official

00:24:12.120 teaching of

00:24:12.560 the church

00:24:12.800 which you

00:24:13.180 cannot

00:24:13.900 refuse to

00:24:14.880 believe

00:24:15.100 and be

00:24:16.820 Catholic.

00:24:18.260 In

00:24:18.580 Poster

00:24:18.980 Eternis,

00:24:19.920 the first

00:24:20.820 Vatican

00:24:21.300 document,

00:24:22.640 it says

00:24:24.000 very clearly

00:24:24.760 that the

00:24:26.540 papacy was

00:24:27.560 conferred on

00:24:28.080 Peter when

00:24:29.260 Peter did

00:24:29.960 his confession

00:24:30.440 to Christ.

00:24:30.820 Christ

00:24:30.980 asked him,

00:24:31.380 Peter,

00:24:31.560 do you

00:24:31.720 love me?

00:24:32.500 Yes,

00:24:32.780 I love

00:24:33.060 you.

00:24:33.680 Feed

00:24:33.860 my

00:24:34.080 sheep.

00:24:35.080 Peter,

00:24:35.420 do you

00:24:35.580 love me?

00:24:36.040 Yes,

00:24:36.400 I love

00:24:36.740 you.

00:24:37.020 Feed

00:24:37.180 my

00:24:37.360 sheep.

00:24:37.820 Third

00:24:38.040 time,

00:24:38.560 Peter,

00:24:38.940 do you

00:24:39.140 love me?

00:24:39.860 You know,

00:24:40.160 I'm exasperated.

00:24:41.140 Peter,

00:24:41.600 Lord,

00:24:42.320 you know

00:24:42.880 everything.

00:24:43.620 You know

00:24:43.960 that I

00:24:44.240 love you.

00:24:45.660 Feed

00:24:45.860 my

00:24:46.020 lambs.

00:24:46.780 That's

00:24:47.220 when he

00:24:47.800 received

00:24:48.060 the

00:24:48.180 papacy.

00:24:49.000 That's

00:24:49.440 official

00:24:49.840 teaching

00:24:50.120 of the

00:24:50.300 church.

00:24:51.560 So,

00:24:52.820 you have

00:24:55.440 to understand

00:24:55.760 I love

00:24:56.900 Bishop

00:24:57.640 Schneider.

00:24:58.480 He's a

00:24:58.940 hero of

00:24:59.300 mine.

00:25:00.380 But when

00:25:01.460 you're a

00:25:01.760 journalist,

00:25:02.840 you have

00:25:03.460 to,

00:25:03.720 and you're

00:25:04.000 pursuing the

00:25:04.620 truth,

00:25:04.960 who is

00:25:05.240 Jesus Christ,

00:25:05.780 you have

00:25:06.140 to do

00:25:06.480 the hard

00:25:06.860 stuff.

00:25:07.600 So I

00:25:07.940 wrote

00:25:08.200 Bishop

00:25:08.960 Schneider,

00:25:09.340 and I

00:25:09.640 will read

00:25:10.120 to you

00:25:10.460 my email

00:25:11.540 to Bishop

00:25:12.060 Schneider.

00:25:12.360 Dear Bishop

00:25:17.520 Schneider,

00:25:17.920 greetings in

00:25:18.400 Christ Jesus.

00:25:19.200 I offer

00:25:19.520 the following

00:25:19.900 with great

00:25:20.340 respect and

00:25:21.080 a sincere

00:25:21.680 fraternal

00:25:22.240 charity to

00:25:22.800 a successor

00:25:23.300 of the

00:25:23.580 apostles to

00:25:24.520 whom I'm

00:25:25.140 privileged to

00:25:25.820 speak.

00:25:26.920 On Raymond

00:25:27.540 Arroyo's

00:25:27.960 show,

00:25:28.180 you made

00:25:28.400 it seem

00:25:28.740 like Peter

00:25:29.200 was Pope

00:25:29.740 when he

00:25:30.100 denied

00:25:30.400 Christ.

00:25:31.560 However,

00:25:32.000 the teaching

00:25:32.540 of the

00:25:32.960 church seems

00:25:33.700 to be

00:25:34.100 that the

00:25:34.480 primacy

00:25:34.840 was conferred

00:25:35.540 when Christ,

00:25:36.180 after his

00:25:36.540 resurrection,

00:25:37.140 gave the

00:25:37.440 mandate to

00:25:37.940 Peter,

00:25:38.860 after the

00:25:39.440 latter's

00:25:39.800 threefold

00:25:40.280 assurance of

00:25:40.860 his love.

00:25:41.220 And that's

00:25:42.620 a quote

00:25:43.020 from a

00:25:43.760 famous

00:25:44.000 theologian,

00:25:45.260 Ludwig Ott,

00:25:46.100 from Fundamentals

00:25:46.900 of Catholic

00:25:47.300 Dogma.

00:25:48.020 And then I

00:25:48.420 quoted for

00:25:49.200 him Pastor

00:25:49.880 Eternus,

00:25:50.600 and I

00:25:50.800 quote,

00:25:51.460 And it

00:25:51.840 was to

00:25:52.260 Peter alone

00:25:52.940 that Jesus,

00:25:53.560 after his

00:25:53.920 resurrection,

00:25:54.500 confided the

00:25:55.080 jurisdiction of

00:25:55.800 supreme pastor

00:25:56.420 and ruler of

00:25:57.060 his whole

00:25:57.520 fold,

00:25:58.100 saying,

00:25:58.800 Feed my

00:25:59.240 lambs,

00:25:59.700 feed my

00:26:00.100 sheep.

00:26:01.720 Then I

00:26:02.220 said to

00:26:02.560 him,

00:26:03.140 Since

00:26:03.420 many are

00:26:03.960 arguing

00:26:04.400 today about

00:26:05.040 the claim

00:26:05.480 that Francis

00:26:05.960 is Pope,

00:26:07.140 it would

00:26:07.860 not be

00:26:08.400 beneficial for

00:26:09.080 either side

00:26:09.740 of the

00:26:09.960 debate to

00:26:10.540 leave

00:26:10.980 faulty

00:26:11.420 impressions,

00:26:12.340 I hope

00:26:13.060 you will

00:26:13.520 publicly

00:26:14.040 correct this.

00:26:16.000 We are

00:26:16.520 running on

00:26:16.900 life-side

00:26:17.300 arguments on

00:26:17.900 both sides

00:26:18.400 of the

00:26:18.600 argument.

00:26:19.600 I know

00:26:20.080 because the

00:26:20.580 church is

00:26:21.780 Christ's,

00:26:22.520 that the

00:26:22.780 truth of

00:26:23.260 Christ will

00:26:23.720 come out,

00:26:24.520 and I

00:26:24.760 believe

00:26:25.320 reasoned,

00:26:26.280 prayerful

00:26:26.720 debate on

00:26:27.700 the matter

00:26:28.040 is an

00:26:28.740 aid to

00:26:29.520 arriving at

00:26:30.140 the truth

00:26:30.500 in Christ

00:26:30.920 and his

00:26:31.160 beloved

00:26:31.380 mother's

00:26:31.720 age.

00:26:31.940 great men

00:26:36.360 when they

00:26:38.320 are asked

00:26:38.820 questions,

00:26:40.220 hopefully

00:26:40.620 lovingly,

00:26:41.800 but often

00:26:42.340 in any

00:26:43.160 which way,

00:26:44.740 respond.

00:26:46.500 This,

00:26:47.640 my dear

00:26:48.060 friends,

00:26:48.440 is the

00:26:48.700 first time

00:26:49.100 I'm making

00:26:49.500 this public,

00:26:50.680 is the

00:26:51.080 response of

00:26:52.040 Bishop

00:26:52.320 Schneider.

00:26:55.360 Dear

00:26:55.960 Mr. Weston,

00:26:56.680 thank you for

00:26:57.200 your greetings.

00:26:57.660 I am

00:26:58.780 grateful to

00:26:59.600 you for

00:27:00.680 the indication

00:27:01.280 of my lack

00:27:01.920 of precision

00:27:02.460 in speaking

00:27:03.100 about the

00:27:03.600 betrayal of

00:27:04.200 the Apostle

00:27:04.640 Peter.

00:27:05.900 I would

00:27:06.580 now provide

00:27:07.280 the following

00:27:07.860 precision.

00:27:09.100 Quote,

00:27:09.940 the Apostle

00:27:10.640 Peter denied

00:27:11.280 Christ,

00:27:12.440 although he

00:27:13.440 already received

00:27:14.300 from Christ

00:27:14.740 his new

00:27:15.160 name,

00:27:15.700 Cephas,

00:27:16.840 and the

00:27:17.440 name Peter

00:27:17.940 with Christ's

00:27:19.060 solemn

00:27:19.340 proclamation

00:27:20.440 that he

00:27:21.640 will build

00:27:22.940 his church

00:27:23.700 upon Peter,

00:27:25.060 yet the

00:27:25.620 primacy was

00:27:26.260 conferred to

00:27:26.960 Peter,

00:27:27.660 after Christ's

00:27:29.240 resurrection,

00:27:30.540 end quote.

00:27:31.640 This is my

00:27:32.520 precision you

00:27:33.880 can publish.

00:27:36.440 He goes on,

00:27:37.380 I'm going to

00:27:37.800 read what he

00:27:38.220 went on,

00:27:38.640 but that's

00:27:40.380 a great man.

00:27:41.900 He does

00:27:42.380 make public

00:27:43.400 his correction,

00:27:45.440 his precision.

00:27:47.240 He says,

00:27:48.400 however,

00:27:48.960 I will not

00:27:49.600 engage in

00:27:50.220 further discussions

00:27:50.960 about the

00:27:51.460 issue of a

00:27:51.960 heretical Pope

00:27:52.600 or the

00:27:52.940 validity of

00:27:53.540 Pope Francis'

00:27:54.280 papacy,

00:27:54.840 which I

00:27:55.100 consider valid

00:27:55.780 as I

00:27:56.440 repeatedly

00:27:57.060 explained in

00:27:57.820 my articles.

00:27:59.220 We must

00:27:59.700 have a

00:28:00.220 true

00:28:00.520 supernatural

00:28:01.280 view on

00:28:01.820 the current

00:28:02.120 crisis of

00:28:02.720 the papacy

00:28:03.280 and trust

00:28:04.320 in the

00:28:04.740 Lord,

00:28:05.400 for he

00:28:05.760 alone can

00:28:06.960 and will

00:28:07.840 resolve this

00:28:08.800 problem.

00:28:09.540 God bless

00:28:10.080 you and

00:28:10.440 cordial

00:28:10.780 greetings in

00:28:11.280 Christ.

00:28:12.140 Athanasius

00:28:12.580 Schneider.

00:28:15.400 This is a

00:28:17.140 great man

00:28:17.680 who does

00:28:19.740 this.

00:28:20.780 He says

00:28:21.560 something,

00:28:22.120 though,

00:28:22.300 that's

00:28:22.580 interesting.

00:28:23.040 He says

00:28:23.540 we must

00:28:24.020 have a

00:28:24.380 true

00:28:25.080 supernatural

00:28:25.800 view on

00:28:26.340 the current

00:28:26.720 crisis of

00:28:27.720 the papacy

00:28:28.300 and trust

00:28:29.560 in the

00:28:29.880 Lord,

00:28:30.440 for he

00:28:30.960 alone can

00:28:32.160 and will

00:28:32.600 resolve this

00:28:33.160 problem.

00:28:35.160 Both sides

00:28:36.380 of this

00:28:37.360 debate

00:28:37.800 believe it

00:28:40.460 is only a

00:28:41.160 spiritual

00:28:41.460 solution,

00:28:42.720 and they're

00:28:44.120 on different

00:28:44.780 opposing sides

00:28:46.140 of the same

00:28:46.720 question.

00:28:47.100 we heard

00:28:49.300 already from

00:28:50.060 Bishop

00:28:50.880 Schneider,

00:28:51.840 and as

00:28:52.660 you know,

00:28:53.380 Cardinal

00:28:53.620 Burke has

00:28:54.120 had the

00:28:54.360 same very

00:28:55.640 vehement

00:28:56.140 recognition

00:28:59.240 of Francis

00:28:59.800 as Pope.

00:29:01.660 Yesterday,

00:29:03.120 Bishop

00:29:04.280 Strickland

00:29:04.660 gave us

00:29:05.240 his take

00:29:06.480 on it,

00:29:06.880 if you

00:29:07.120 will,

00:29:07.700 recognize

00:29:08.340 and resist,

00:29:09.900 and that

00:29:10.320 resist line

00:29:11.300 comes from

00:29:12.580 ancient church

00:29:13.060 teaching,

00:29:13.420 but also

00:29:13.720 was used

00:29:14.060 very early

00:29:14.560 on by

00:29:15.640 Cardinal

00:29:16.000 Burke

00:29:16.200 himself.

00:29:17.100 We must

00:29:17.860 resist.

00:29:19.360 So,

00:29:20.020 this is very

00:29:21.060 interesting,

00:29:21.920 because these

00:29:22.300 are holy

00:29:22.640 men,

00:29:22.880 these are

00:29:23.160 my heroes.

00:29:25.160 There are

00:29:25.780 other heroes,

00:29:26.540 however.

00:29:28.280 So,

00:29:28.960 how many

00:29:29.700 of you

00:29:29.920 know

00:29:30.300 Bishop

00:29:31.040 Rene

00:29:31.460 Grasida?

00:29:34.200 He's

00:29:34.680 102,

00:29:36.160 so he's

00:29:36.500 been out

00:29:37.200 of it

00:29:37.400 for a long

00:29:37.820 time in

00:29:38.320 terms of

00:29:38.740 not ruling

00:29:39.820 his sea,

00:29:40.560 but he

00:29:41.500 was a

00:29:41.740 Texas

00:29:42.000 bishop.

00:29:43.380 Pro-lifers,

00:29:44.200 long-term

00:29:44.680 pro-lifers

00:29:45.180 know him

00:29:45.500 because he

00:29:45.920 was the

00:29:46.320 most outspoken

00:29:47.580 pro-life

00:29:47.980 bishop in

00:29:48.440 America.

00:29:50.780 He said,

00:29:52.320 almost out

00:29:52.940 of the gate,

00:29:53.800 Pope Francis

00:29:54.220 is not

00:29:54.620 the pope.

00:29:58.120 There's

00:29:58.680 another

00:29:59.140 bishop,

00:30:01.000 none of us

00:30:01.640 know here,

00:30:02.320 but he's

00:30:02.840 very famous

00:30:03.360 in Europe.

00:30:04.100 He's actually

00:30:04.780 the former

00:30:05.620 superior of

00:30:06.760 Bishop Athanasius

00:30:07.840 Schneider.

00:30:08.140 His name is

00:30:09.080 Archbishop

00:30:09.660 Jan Pavel

00:30:10.600 Lenga.

00:30:11.160 Holy,

00:30:13.700 holy bishop

00:30:14.180 also has

00:30:15.820 said for

00:30:16.180 years,

00:30:17.880 Jorge

00:30:18.180 Maria

00:30:18.780 Baroglio

00:30:19.440 is not

00:30:20.460 the pope.

00:30:23.320 And then,

00:30:25.200 now,

00:30:26.460 there's

00:30:26.740 Archbishop

00:30:27.180 Carlo

00:30:27.560 Maria

00:30:27.980 Viganò,

00:30:29.220 who also

00:30:29.920 says he

00:30:30.980 is not

00:30:31.220 the pope.

00:30:33.000 And

00:30:33.720 boy,

00:30:35.220 we're in a

00:30:36.860 conundrum,

00:30:37.320 right?

00:30:37.520 I mean,

00:30:37.740 this is

00:30:38.300 horrible.

00:30:38.640 You've got

00:30:39.460 the most

00:30:39.980 saintly

00:30:40.340 people on

00:30:40.940 either side

00:30:41.580 of the

00:30:42.480 most important

00:30:43.120 question,

00:30:43.980 and it's

00:30:44.640 crazy.

00:30:46.320 It's not

00:30:47.620 unprecedented.

00:30:51.460 So here's

00:30:52.560 something

00:30:53.040 really cool

00:30:54.820 and kind of

00:30:55.860 depressing all

00:30:56.500 at the same

00:30:56.820 time.

00:30:57.900 So,

00:30:58.860 there was

00:31:00.320 a thing

00:31:00.900 called the

00:31:01.800 Great Western

00:31:02.440 Schism.

00:31:03.120 Not really

00:31:03.820 a schism,

00:31:04.600 maybe,

00:31:04.820 but nonetheless.

00:31:06.560 It lasted

00:31:07.600 39 years.

00:31:11.040 It lasted

00:31:11.680 39 years

00:31:12.780 where they

00:31:13.280 didn't know

00:31:14.040 who the

00:31:14.700 pope was

00:31:15.420 because there

00:31:15.860 were more

00:31:16.180 than one

00:31:16.540 claimant to

00:31:17.140 the papacy

00:31:17.700 during the

00:31:18.980 time three

00:31:19.440 different people

00:31:20.040 tried.

00:31:22.140 But here's

00:31:23.480 the really

00:31:23.760 cool part.

00:31:25.260 The really

00:31:26.040 cool part

00:31:26.500 about this

00:31:26.900 is there

00:31:27.920 were saints

00:31:28.520 on either

00:31:29.620 side of

00:31:30.260 the debate.

00:31:32.440 Really,

00:31:33.300 really cool

00:31:34.020 saints.

00:31:35.080 This ended

00:31:35.720 in 1417,

00:31:38.040 1415.

00:31:39.260 So,

00:31:40.520 it's

00:31:40.880 early church,

00:31:42.460 but nonetheless,

00:31:43.380 who were the

00:31:43.860 saints?

00:31:44.640 The great

00:31:45.360 Saint Catherine

00:31:46.100 of Siena.

00:31:48.280 And she was

00:31:49.020 on the side

00:31:49.440 of the real

00:31:50.000 pope.

00:31:51.080 And who was

00:31:51.820 on the

00:31:52.320 opposing side?

00:31:53.740 Saint Vincent

00:31:54.620 Ferre.

00:31:57.160 If anybody

00:31:57.760 knows anything

00:31:58.260 about Vincent

00:31:58.820 Ferre,

00:31:59.660 who backed

00:32:00.220 the wrong

00:32:00.580 pope,

00:32:00.860 not once,

00:32:01.400 but twice,

00:32:01.940 he did

00:32:04.080 thousands

00:32:05.100 of miracles

00:32:05.840 while he

00:32:07.880 was backing

00:32:08.320 the wrong

00:32:08.660 pope.

00:32:11.180 So,

00:32:12.260 talk about

00:32:13.240 stunningly

00:32:14.040 confusing.

00:32:15.840 In the

00:32:16.180 end,

00:32:16.440 our Lord

00:32:16.680 used actually

00:32:17.300 Vincent

00:32:17.600 Ferre to

00:32:18.020 end it,

00:32:18.580 by the way.

00:32:19.380 He begged

00:32:19.840 because he

00:32:20.660 was involved

00:32:21.500 in it.

00:32:21.820 He was in

00:32:22.160 the Vatican,

00:32:22.680 working for

00:32:23.020 the Vatican,

00:32:23.600 or the

00:32:24.520 false

00:32:24.920 fag

00:32:25.160 at the

00:32:25.700 time,

00:32:26.320 and then

00:32:27.300 begged

00:32:27.960 his friend,

00:32:29.500 the so-called

00:32:30.740 pope,

00:32:30.980 to resign

00:32:31.440 twice.

00:32:32.060 After he

00:32:32.360 didn't do

00:32:32.640 it,

00:32:33.120 he eventually

00:32:33.740 gave a

00:32:34.700 homily against

00:32:35.600 him,

00:32:36.180 and then

00:32:36.740 he fled

00:32:37.420 for his

00:32:37.660 life.

00:32:38.200 But that's

00:32:38.720 a different

00:32:38.980 time and

00:32:39.380 a different

00:32:39.600 story.

00:32:40.560 But the

00:32:41.780 point of

00:32:42.240 the story

00:32:42.560 is that

00:32:44.380 they had

00:32:44.800 39 years

00:32:46.480 of confusion

00:32:47.540 over who

00:32:48.140 the pope

00:32:48.460 was,

00:32:49.480 and saints

00:32:50.280 were on

00:32:50.580 either side.

00:32:52.260 So,

00:32:53.420 we can

00:32:53.900 have saints

00:32:54.560 on either

00:32:55.740 side of

00:32:56.020 this debate,

00:32:57.180 saints whom

00:32:57.660 we love,

00:32:59.160 whom we

00:32:59.620 respect,

00:33:00.040 and still

00:33:01.460 find ourselves

00:33:02.740 wondering and

00:33:04.140 doing and

00:33:04.700 putting out

00:33:05.140 nonetheless.

00:33:05.540 And that's

00:33:05.760 what we're

00:33:05.940 doing at

00:33:06.200 LifeSite.

00:33:06.520 We're

00:33:06.760 actually having

00:33:07.740 the debate,

00:33:08.220 as uncomfortable

00:33:09.180 as that is,

00:33:10.840 because it's

00:33:12.680 the most

00:33:12.980 important question.

00:33:13.600 Why?

00:33:15.240 I firmly

00:33:15.980 believe,

00:33:16.340 anyway,

00:33:17.040 the world

00:33:17.680 is downstream

00:33:19.080 of the

00:33:19.400 church.

00:33:20.600 As the

00:33:21.260 church goes,

00:33:22.020 so goes

00:33:22.440 the world.

00:33:23.780 Why do we

00:33:24.400 find the

00:33:24.800 world in

00:33:25.320 like a

00:33:26.820 mess of

00:33:27.360 epic proportions?

00:33:28.100 Because the

00:33:28.620 church is

00:33:28.980 in a

00:33:29.220 mess of

00:33:29.580 epic proportions.

00:33:31.880 And we

00:33:32.880 are right

00:33:33.280 now dealing

00:33:33.780 with this.

00:33:34.240 So,

00:33:34.500 I'm going

00:33:34.700 to give

00:33:34.920 you some

00:33:35.260 of the

00:33:35.540 argument,

00:33:36.020 because it's

00:33:36.480 interesting.

00:33:37.440 I can't

00:33:37.920 get into

00:33:38.280 it much,

00:33:39.060 because it's

00:33:39.720 way too

00:33:40.520 much.

00:33:40.840 And there's

00:33:41.480 lots on

00:33:42.000 LifeSite.

00:33:42.300 Please go

00:33:42.620 read it.

00:33:43.420 We're

00:33:43.780 actually

00:33:44.120 running a

00:33:45.060 big debate.

00:33:46.320 And to

00:33:46.540 tell you,

00:33:46.960 I have to

00:33:47.600 go searching

00:33:48.100 for this,

00:33:48.620 because Bishop

00:33:50.020 Schneider,

00:33:50.460 we had run

00:33:51.120 him only to

00:33:51.900 start,

00:33:52.700 and then

00:33:53.340 later,

00:33:54.160 some of the

00:33:54.740 arguments of

00:33:55.720 different people

00:33:56.740 who've made

00:33:57.200 different points.

00:33:58.260 And there's

00:33:58.440 a lot of

00:33:58.680 points.

00:33:59.760 But essentially,

00:34:01.200 it comes down

00:34:02.340 to a few

00:34:02.780 things.

00:34:04.200 The end of

00:34:05.120 the interview,

00:34:06.180 and I'll give

00:34:06.940 you this,

00:34:07.280 because this is,

00:34:08.180 if you're

00:34:08.720 interested in

00:34:09.400 looking it up

00:34:09.900 on LifeSite,

00:34:10.960 Matt Gaspers

00:34:12.180 wrote in

00:34:14.500 defense of

00:34:15.120 Francis as

00:34:16.040 Pope,

00:34:16.660 and Matthew

00:34:17.820 McCusker wrote

00:34:19.500 in defense of

00:34:21.500 Francis not as

00:34:22.600 Pope.

00:34:23.760 And Matt

00:34:24.740 Gaspers had

00:34:25.940 two powerful

00:34:27.400 essays,

00:34:28.720 and Matthew

00:34:30.160 McCusker,

00:34:31.060 two powerful

00:34:31.520 essays.

00:34:32.440 Peter Krasniewski,

00:34:33.520 who I think

00:34:34.060 many of you

00:34:34.420 know,

00:34:34.880 said these

00:34:35.520 are some of

00:34:35.840 the best

00:34:36.120 essays on

00:34:36.980 either side

00:34:37.560 of the

00:34:37.720 debate he's

00:34:38.000 ever seen.

00:34:39.380 Then Matthew

00:34:40.320 wrote a third

00:34:41.300 piece to

00:34:41.860 follow up,

00:34:42.940 and I asked

00:34:43.940 Matt Gaspers,

00:34:44.640 could you please

00:34:45.140 follow up?

00:34:45.640 He said,

00:34:45.860 no,

00:34:46.000 I can't.

00:34:47.000 And so,

00:34:47.680 since Peter

00:34:48.120 had pointed

00:34:48.440 to the debates,

00:34:48.880 I asked,

00:34:49.160 Peter,

00:34:49.360 can you follow

00:34:50.100 up?

00:34:50.600 He said,

00:34:51.100 no,

00:34:51.780 I can't,

00:34:52.240 but you

00:34:52.680 can go to

00:34:53.000 John Jay,

00:34:53.560 who's probably

00:34:54.240 the best one

00:34:55.020 to do it.

00:34:55.860 I went to

00:34:56.720 Professor Jay,

00:34:57.540 and he said,

00:34:58.360 no,

00:34:58.640 can't do it.

00:34:59.500 So I'm still

00:34:59.980 looking,

00:35:00.820 and we will

00:35:02.720 find somebody,

00:35:03.900 but it is a

00:35:06.040 hard debate,

00:35:06.600 and I feel

00:35:07.480 for them,

00:35:08.620 and it's

00:35:08.860 fascinating

00:35:09.460 reading.

00:35:10.280 So there's a

00:35:10.600 lot that goes

00:35:11.120 on at

00:35:11.360 Lifeside.

00:35:11.660 I know you

00:35:11.940 guys probably

00:35:12.260 see,

00:35:12.620 because there's

00:35:13.000 30 articles

00:35:13.500 a day every

00:35:13.820 day,

00:35:14.080 so it's hard

00:35:14.420 to keep

00:35:14.720 up with,

00:35:15.040 but these

00:35:15.720 are some

00:35:15.960 of the

00:35:16.080 most important

00:35:16.460 questions,

00:35:17.020 so it's

00:35:17.980 definitely worth

00:35:18.480 doing.

00:35:18.720 And I

00:35:21.940 just want

00:35:22.240 to tell you

00:35:22.520 one thing,

00:35:22.980 how serious

00:35:23.540 this question

00:35:24.020 is for

00:35:24.680 Catholics,

00:35:25.460 and why

00:35:25.860 it's fraught

00:35:26.500 with,

00:35:28.440 yeah,

00:35:29.100 it's a

00:35:29.320 scary question.

00:35:30.160 Why?

00:35:31.160 This is the

00:35:31.940 official definition

00:35:32.940 of schism in

00:35:33.640 the Catholic

00:35:34.000 Church.

00:35:34.640 You will

00:35:35.100 read it in

00:35:35.560 the Code of

00:35:36.020 Canon Law,

00:35:36.880 number 751.

00:35:39.180 Schism is,

00:35:40.160 quote,

00:35:40.320 the refusal

00:35:41.300 of submission

00:35:42.080 to the

00:35:42.580 supreme pontiff.

00:35:47.800 That's

00:35:48.320 tough.

00:35:50.240 So,

00:35:51.520 questioning

00:35:52.040 the Pope,

00:35:53.300 in some

00:35:54.220 ways,

00:35:54.600 is schism.

00:35:56.140 And you

00:35:57.100 need lots

00:35:57.520 of precisions

00:35:58.020 in these

00:35:58.340 things and

00:35:58.820 everything else,

00:35:59.380 but it is

00:36:00.120 a stunning

00:36:01.020 debate.

00:36:01.760 So,

00:36:02.300 let's talk

00:36:03.420 about this.

00:36:05.460 So,

00:36:06.500 one of

00:36:08.600 the objections

00:36:09.320 to people

00:36:12.020 who say

00:36:12.560 Benedict was

00:36:13.200 still Pope

00:36:13.720 is that

00:36:14.940 you can't

00:36:15.880 have that.

00:36:16.980 You have

00:36:17.640 a Pope.

00:36:19.320 Benedict's

00:36:19.680 now dead.

00:36:20.580 Francis has

00:36:21.100 got to be

00:36:21.420 Pope because

00:36:22.480 you can't

00:36:22.900 have no

00:36:23.200 Pope.

00:36:25.180 The

00:36:25.660 response was

00:36:26.620 interesting,

00:36:27.100 and I'm

00:36:27.260 giving you

00:36:27.540 this to

00:36:27.840 show you

00:36:28.180 this debate

00:36:28.580 is not

00:36:28.900 simple to

00:36:29.280 answer.

00:36:29.520 I wish

00:36:29.800 it were.

00:36:31.360 So,

00:36:31.940 the response

00:36:32.620 to that,

00:36:33.800 if Benedict

00:36:34.280 was still

00:36:35.100 Pope and

00:36:35.680 then he

00:36:35.920 reigned

00:36:36.240 until,

00:36:37.040 you know,

00:36:37.440 December of

00:36:38.080 2020,

00:36:39.320 was that

00:36:42.840 we'd be

00:36:43.700 like two

00:36:44.120 years now

00:36:44.580 without a

00:36:44.920 Pope,

00:36:45.220 almost.

00:36:46.780 Actually,

00:36:47.640 an interregnum

00:36:48.340 is a period

00:36:48.820 between the

00:36:49.280 death of one

00:36:49.700 Pope and

00:36:49.960 the election

00:36:50.260 of another.

00:36:50.900 The longest

00:36:51.400 interregnum in

00:36:52.060 the Church

00:36:52.340 was two

00:36:53.200 years,

00:36:53.420 nine months.

00:36:54.140 We're not

00:36:54.620 even at

00:36:54.940 two years,

00:36:55.960 if you

00:36:56.560 believe that

00:36:57.060 they call

00:36:57.560 it

00:36:57.680 beneficentist

00:36:58.420 theory.

00:37:00.320 So,

00:37:01.040 I bring

00:37:02.760 that up

00:37:03.380 because the

00:37:04.320 history of

00:37:04.660 the Church

00:37:05.120 actually

00:37:06.940 envisaged

00:37:07.880 what we

00:37:08.360 might go

00:37:08.740 through.

00:37:09.460 This is

00:37:10.080 from

00:37:10.380 theologian

00:37:10.960 Edmund

00:37:11.440 O'Reilly

00:37:12.040 and he's

00:37:14.240 talking about

00:37:15.160 the Great

00:37:15.800 Western

00:37:16.140 Schism,

00:37:16.620 which I

00:37:16.840 told you

00:37:17.100 about there,

00:37:17.380 the 39-year

00:37:18.000 thing.

00:37:19.100 Listen to

00:37:19.620 this because

00:37:20.080 it's hopeful

00:37:20.860 and depressing

00:37:21.400 at the same

00:37:21.720 time.

00:37:22.440 And that's

00:37:22.780 the way,

00:37:23.160 remember what

00:37:23.580 Our Lady

00:37:23.880 said to

00:37:24.580 Lucy,

00:37:26.640 conveyed to

00:37:27.280 Kephara,

00:37:29.380 the decisive

00:37:30.060 battle will be

00:37:31.020 over marriage

00:37:31.420 and the family.

00:37:31.900 Those who

00:37:32.160 fight for

00:37:32.560 marriage and

00:37:32.860 the family

00:37:33.160 will always

00:37:33.820 be opposed.

00:37:34.800 But don't

00:37:36.460 worry,

00:37:36.740 in the end

00:37:36.980 my Immaculate

00:37:37.420 Heart will

00:37:37.680 triumph.

00:37:38.520 So,

00:37:38.840 this is

00:37:39.160 what

00:37:39.420 theologian

00:37:40.500 Edmund

00:37:40.780 O'Reilly

00:37:41.380 says.

00:37:42.840 Speaking of

00:37:43.600 the Great

00:37:43.940 Western

00:37:44.240 Schism,

00:37:45.060 if this

00:37:45.640 schism

00:37:46.040 had not

00:37:46.560 occurred,

00:37:47.640 the hypothesis

00:37:48.480 of such a

00:37:49.160 thing happening

00:37:49.680 would appear

00:37:50.440 to many

00:37:51.600 chimerical.

00:37:53.260 They would

00:37:53.680 say it

00:37:54.060 could not

00:37:54.940 be,

00:37:55.520 God would

00:37:55.960 not permit

00:37:56.660 the Church

00:37:57.220 to come

00:37:57.720 into so

00:37:58.440 unhappy

00:37:58.960 a situation.

00:37:59.580 He says,

00:38:02.000 but that

00:38:02.500 the true

00:38:03.260 Church should

00:38:03.980 remain between

00:38:04.860 30 and

00:38:05.600 40 years

00:38:06.600 without a

00:38:07.280 thoroughly

00:38:07.620 ascertained

00:38:08.260 head and

00:38:09.420 representative of

00:38:10.680 Christ on

00:38:11.120 earth,

00:38:11.600 this would

00:38:12.500 not be.

00:38:13.720 Yet it

00:38:14.180 has been,

00:38:15.560 and we

00:38:16.100 have no

00:38:16.620 guarantee

00:38:17.040 that we'll

00:38:17.460 not be

00:38:17.960 again,

00:38:18.780 though we

00:38:19.320 may fervently

00:38:20.140 hope otherwise.

00:38:22.280 We must

00:38:23.080 not be too

00:38:23.840 ready to

00:38:24.400 pronounce on

00:38:25.280 what God

00:38:25.980 may permit,

00:38:27.920 but we

00:38:29.300 or our

00:38:30.020 successors

00:38:30.940 in future

00:38:31.700 generations of

00:38:32.520 Christians

00:38:32.920 shall perhaps

00:38:34.060 see stranger

00:38:35.280 evils than

00:38:37.000 have yet been

00:38:37.820 experienced even

00:38:38.760 before the

00:38:39.460 immediate approach

00:38:40.260 of that great

00:38:40.980 winding up of

00:38:41.760 all things on

00:38:42.320 earth that

00:38:43.060 will precede

00:38:43.800 the day of

00:38:44.180 judgment.

00:38:45.540 He says,

00:38:47.160 all I mean

00:38:49.080 to convey is

00:38:50.200 that contingencies

00:38:51.460 regarding the

00:38:52.200 Church,

00:38:52.740 not excluded

00:38:53.820 by divine

00:38:54.400 promises,

00:38:55.460 cannot be

00:38:56.000 regarded as

00:38:56.640 practically impossible

00:38:57.520 just because

00:38:58.500 they would

00:38:59.140 be terrible

00:38:59.880 and distressing

00:39:00.920 in a very

00:39:01.900 high degree.

00:39:05.280 So,

00:39:06.320 it's

00:39:07.160 interesting.

00:39:08.420 A theologian

00:39:09.160 writing

00:39:10.240 hundreds of

00:39:11.600 years before

00:39:12.000 us now

00:39:12.520 is envisaging

00:39:13.860 something like

00:39:14.740 in the future,

00:39:16.160 now,

00:39:17.220 a problem that

00:39:17.960 could reflect

00:39:18.800 the great

00:39:19.180 Western schism.

00:39:20.540 So,

00:39:21.600 for me,

00:39:22.780 if anybody

00:39:23.100 knows LifeSite,

00:39:24.220 we do a lot

00:39:24.840 of prophecy.

00:39:25.320 prophecy,

00:39:25.840 honestly,

00:39:26.460 because I

00:39:26.800 find prophecy

00:39:27.460 really comforting.

00:39:29.920 Here's some

00:39:30.560 amazing prophecies,

00:39:31.720 and I draw

00:39:33.480 from our work.

00:39:34.180 Our work is

00:39:34.680 produced by our

00:39:35.340 writers,

00:39:35.680 and our

00:39:35.920 writers are

00:39:36.380 all over the

00:39:36.760 place,

00:39:37.560 and one of

00:39:39.140 the people

00:39:39.560 who is a

00:39:40.960 great expert

00:39:42.720 in prophecy

00:39:43.220 will be speaking

00:39:43.840 to us later

00:39:44.420 today,

00:39:44.740 so I'm not

00:39:45.120 going to steal

00:39:45.520 his thunder.

00:39:46.900 I'm going to

00:39:47.600 just mention a

00:39:48.180 few things.

00:39:49.520 Xavier

00:39:49.960 Heral is with

00:39:51.240 us,

00:39:51.640 and an amazing

00:39:52.760 guy.

00:39:52.980 I still

00:39:53.620 look forward

00:39:54.000 to it.

00:39:55.460 Dr.

00:39:55.920 Micah Hickson,

00:39:57.140 who was on

00:39:57.640 stage yesterday,

00:39:58.640 wrote a

00:39:59.220 recent piece,

00:40:00.580 and in it,

00:40:02.860 she quoted

00:40:03.380 a famous

00:40:04.560 interview with

00:40:06.120 Fr.

00:40:07.000 Gabriel Amorth,

00:40:07.880 the exorcist,

00:40:09.380 the Rome

00:40:09.700 exorcist,

00:40:10.420 for many,

00:40:11.360 many years.

00:40:11.760 In fact,

00:40:12.520 Fr.

00:40:13.060 Ripperger

00:40:13.340 calls him

00:40:13.840 the father

00:40:14.360 of the

00:40:15.200 sort of

00:40:16.160 modern

00:40:16.560 exorcism.

00:40:18.320 And he

00:40:19.020 had a very

00:40:19.320 interesting

00:40:19.660 interview with

00:40:20.820 Jose Maria

00:40:21.820 Zavala,

00:40:22.240 published on

00:40:24.940 the third

00:40:25.240 secret of

00:40:25.660 Fatima.

00:40:27.320 And

00:40:27.340 Gabriel Amorth,

00:40:31.360 who of

00:40:31.880 course was a

00:40:32.580 student of

00:40:33.140 Padre Pio,

00:40:35.220 is interviewed

00:40:35.920 about Padre

00:40:37.140 Pio and

00:40:37.560 the third

00:40:37.840 secret.

00:40:38.500 Listen to

00:40:38.800 this.

00:40:40.740 Padre Pio

00:40:41.420 himself,

00:40:41.940 around 1960,

00:40:42.780 had once

00:40:43.240 spoken to

00:40:44.700 Rome's

00:40:45.180 chief exorcist,

00:40:46.040 Fr.

00:40:46.300 Gabriel Amorth.

00:40:47.660 And so,

00:40:49.180 indeed,

00:40:49.880 it says

00:40:50.220 Fr.

00:40:50.540 Amorth,

00:40:50.860 one day,

00:40:52.960 Padre Pio

00:40:53.460 said to

00:40:53.940 me very

00:40:54.380 sorrowfully,

00:40:55.800 you know,

00:40:56.220 Gabriele,

00:40:57.320 it is

00:40:57.740 Satan who

00:40:58.560 has been

00:40:58.820 introduced

00:40:59.220 into the

00:40:59.700 bosom of

00:41:00.040 the church

00:41:00.400 and within

00:41:01.000 a very

00:41:01.320 short time

00:41:01.920 will come

00:41:02.500 to rule

00:41:03.200 a false

00:41:03.980 church.

00:41:06.200 Zavala

00:41:06.560 replies,

00:41:07.520 oh my

00:41:07.840 God,

00:41:08.560 some kind

00:41:09.020 of

00:41:09.120 antichrist.

00:41:10.120 When did

00:41:10.460 he prophesy

00:41:10.900 this to

00:41:11.300 you?

00:41:12.260 Fr.

00:41:12.600 Amorth replies,

00:41:13.980 it must have

00:41:14.600 been about

00:41:14.960 1960 since

00:41:16.440 I was

00:41:17.000 already a

00:41:17.760 priest

00:41:18.020 then.

00:41:19.220 Zavala

00:41:19.560 replies,

00:41:21.060 was that

00:41:21.480 why John

00:41:21.960 XXIII had

00:41:22.880 such a

00:41:23.400 panic about

00:41:23.960 publishing the

00:41:24.560 third secret

00:41:25.000 of Fatima so

00:41:25.840 that the

00:41:26.120 people wouldn't

00:41:26.600 think that

00:41:27.020 he was the

00:41:27.540 antipope or

00:41:28.200 whatever it

00:41:28.600 was?

00:41:29.940 And there's

00:41:31.360 a slight but

00:41:32.540 knowing smile

00:41:33.260 that curls the

00:41:33.880 lips of Fr.

00:41:34.420 Amorth then.

00:41:35.500 And Zavala

00:41:35.900 continues,

00:41:37.240 did Padre Pio

00:41:37.960 say anything

00:41:38.600 else to

00:41:39.800 you about

00:41:40.280 future

00:41:40.660 catastrophes,

00:41:41.420 earthquakes,

00:41:42.000 floods,

00:41:42.500 wars,

00:41:43.180 epidemics,

00:41:44.040 hunger?

00:41:44.360 Did he

00:41:46.040 allude to

00:41:46.500 some

00:41:46.700 plagues

00:41:47.200 prophesied

00:41:48.020 in the

00:41:48.520 Holy

00:41:48.660 Scriptures?

00:41:50.520 Fr.

00:41:51.160 Amorth replies,

00:41:53.120 get this,

00:41:54.820 nothing of

00:41:55.820 the sort

00:41:56.380 mattered to

00:41:57.500 him,

00:41:58.260 however

00:41:58.820 terrifying

00:41:59.900 they proved

00:42:00.740 to be,

00:42:02.280 except for

00:42:03.340 the great

00:42:03.880 apostasy

00:42:04.860 within the

00:42:05.580 church.

00:42:07.060 This was

00:42:08.380 the great

00:42:09.280 issue,

00:42:10.080 or this

00:42:10.380 was the

00:42:10.700 issue that

00:42:11.240 really

00:42:11.820 tormented

00:42:12.460 him and

00:42:13.240 for which

00:42:13.740 he prayed

00:42:14.320 and offered

00:42:15.040 a great

00:42:15.600 part of

00:42:16.300 his

00:42:16.480 suffering,

00:42:17.560 crucified

00:42:17.960 out of

00:42:19.000 love.

00:42:20.320 Zavala

00:42:20.640 says,

00:42:21.480 the third

00:42:21.820 secret of

00:42:22.240 Fatima?

00:42:23.820 Father

00:42:24.220 Amorth,

00:42:25.780 exactly.

00:42:29.340 Stunning.

00:42:31.680 There's all

00:42:32.460 sorts of

00:42:32.860 prophecies

00:42:33.300 about this.

00:42:35.220 Xavier is

00:42:35.740 going to

00:42:35.920 be bringing

00:42:36.240 some to

00:42:36.600 us,

00:42:36.840 but

00:42:36.980 at

00:42:37.600 La Salette

00:42:38.260 approved

00:42:40.640 vision of

00:42:41.420 Our Lady,

00:42:42.240 Rome will

00:42:42.620 lose the

00:42:42.900 faith and

00:42:43.520 become the

00:42:44.020 seat of

00:42:44.640 Antichrist.

00:42:47.500 It's not

00:42:48.340 only prophecy.

00:42:50.820 Get this,

00:42:51.440 this is the

00:42:51.980 catechism,

00:42:52.560 the council,

00:42:53.380 excuse me,

00:42:54.040 the catechism,

00:42:54.840 the 1992

00:42:55.640 catechism,

00:42:57.100 number 675.

00:42:59.460 Before Christ's

00:43:00.780 second coming,

00:43:01.740 the church must

00:43:02.420 pass through a

00:43:03.080 final trial that

00:43:04.260 will shake the

00:43:05.440 faith of many

00:43:06.320 believers.

00:43:07.280 The persecution

00:43:08.240 that accompanies

00:43:09.100 her pilgrimage on

00:43:09.900 earth will unveil

00:43:11.020 the mystery of

00:43:11.860 iniquity in the

00:43:12.640 form of a

00:43:14.160 religious deception

00:43:15.280 offering men

00:43:17.280 an apparent

00:43:17.800 solution to

00:43:18.940 their problems

00:43:19.560 at the price

00:43:20.500 of apostasy

00:43:21.660 from the

00:43:22.860 truth.

00:43:25.160 You know,

00:43:25.620 it's really

00:43:25.880 stunning.

00:43:27.640 Our two

00:43:28.660 previous popes

00:43:29.940 spoke on

00:43:31.300 this.

00:43:32.940 Very famous

00:43:34.160 quote when

00:43:35.120 St. John

00:43:37.480 Paul II

00:43:37.900 came to

00:43:38.560 America.

00:43:40.140 He came in

00:43:40.820 1976,

00:43:43.120 and he was

00:43:44.480 not Pope at

00:43:45.360 the time,

00:43:45.720 obviously.

00:43:46.420 He's about to

00:43:46.980 be Pope.

00:43:48.280 But he came to

00:43:49.140 the Eucharistic

00:43:49.660 Congress in

00:43:51.060 Philly for the

00:43:52.540 bicentennial

00:43:53.160 celebration of the

00:43:54.360 signing of the

00:43:54.940 Declaration of

00:43:55.460 Independence.

00:43:57.040 Then Cardinal

00:43:57.740 Carol Wojtyla

00:43:58.600 said these

00:43:59.980 words,

00:44:00.280 We are now

00:44:02.900 standing in

00:44:03.720 the face of

00:44:04.960 the greatest

00:44:05.540 historical

00:44:06.280 confrontation

00:44:06.860 humanity has

00:44:07.680 ever experienced.

00:44:09.120 I do not

00:44:10.100 think that the

00:44:10.700 wide circle of

00:44:11.600 American society

00:44:12.840 or the whole

00:44:14.580 wide circle of

00:44:15.580 the Christian

00:44:16.080 community realize

00:44:17.320 this fully.

00:44:18.480 We are now

00:44:19.640 facing the

00:44:21.520 final

00:44:22.400 confrontation.

00:44:25.440 Now, I want

00:44:26.460 you to notice

00:44:26.780 what he said

00:44:27.120 here.

00:44:27.860 It's not the

00:44:29.060 final confrontation

00:44:30.060 in politics.

00:44:31.820 Nope.

00:44:32.500 It's not the

00:44:33.380 final world war.

00:44:34.460 Nope.

00:44:35.560 Here's what he

00:44:36.040 says.

00:44:36.800 We are now

00:44:37.740 facing the

00:44:39.020 final confrontation

00:44:40.840 between the

00:44:42.340 church and

00:44:44.180 the anti-church,

00:44:46.300 between the

00:44:47.100 gospel and

00:44:48.100 the anti-gospel,

00:44:49.400 between Christ

00:44:50.280 and the

00:44:50.880 antichrist.

00:44:51.980 The confrontation

00:44:52.680 lies within the

00:44:54.060 plans of divine

00:44:54.920 providence.

00:44:55.720 It is therefore

00:44:56.200 in God's plan,

00:44:57.740 and it must be

00:44:59.000 a trial which

00:45:00.060 the church

00:45:00.680 must take up

00:45:01.420 and face

00:45:02.000 courageously.

00:45:04.820 That's John

00:45:05.600 Paul II in

00:45:06.400 1976,

00:45:08.240 warning us

00:45:09.240 about what

00:45:10.360 was to come

00:45:11.000 now, he

00:45:12.100 says.

00:45:14.480 Around the

00:45:15.320 same time,

00:45:15.800 in fact, a

00:45:16.140 little bit

00:45:16.420 earlier,

00:45:17.680 then Father

00:45:18.480 Joseph Ratzinger,

00:45:20.500 these two men

00:45:21.240 who were our

00:45:22.220 last two

00:45:22.760 popes,

00:45:24.960 in 1969 on a

00:45:26.340 radio broadcast

00:45:26.940 broadcast in

00:45:27.280 Germany,

00:45:29.460 Ratzinger says

00:45:30.140 this,

00:45:31.100 from the

00:45:31.960 crisis of

00:45:32.680 today, the

00:45:34.200 church of

00:45:34.800 tomorrow will

00:45:35.520 emerge, a

00:45:36.840 church that

00:45:37.380 has lost

00:45:37.960 much.

00:45:39.140 She will

00:45:39.460 become small

00:45:40.220 and will have

00:45:41.060 to start afresh

00:45:42.060 more or less

00:45:43.240 from the

00:45:43.760 beginning.

00:45:45.320 She will no

00:45:46.200 longer be able

00:45:46.800 to inhabit many

00:45:47.660 of the edifices

00:45:48.620 she built in

00:45:49.380 prosperity.

00:45:50.680 As the number

00:45:51.380 of her adherents

00:45:52.320 diminishes,

00:45:53.120 so it will lose

00:45:54.240 many of her

00:45:55.040 social privileges,

00:45:56.720 and so it

00:45:57.360 seems certain

00:45:57.820 to me that

00:45:58.400 the church is

00:45:59.540 facing very

00:46:01.260 hard times.

00:46:02.520 The real

00:46:03.180 crisis has

00:46:04.020 scarcely begun.

00:46:04.980 This is 1969.

00:46:06.940 We will have

00:46:08.020 to count on

00:46:08.880 terrific upheavals.

00:46:12.120 But then he

00:46:12.900 gives this

00:46:13.360 message of hope.

00:46:15.240 He says,

00:46:16.420 but I am

00:46:17.020 equally certain

00:46:18.360 about what

00:46:19.200 will remain

00:46:19.940 at the end.

00:46:22.300 Not the

00:46:23.140 church of the

00:46:24.280 political cult,

00:46:25.400 which is dead

00:46:26.220 already,

00:46:26.720 but the

00:46:27.040 church of

00:46:27.660 faith.

00:46:29.020 It may

00:46:29.820 well no

00:46:30.540 longer be

00:46:31.380 the dominant

00:46:31.940 social power

00:46:33.140 to the extent

00:46:34.080 that she was

00:46:34.780 until recently,

00:46:35.900 but it will

00:46:36.740 enjoy a fresh

00:46:37.760 blossoming

00:46:38.520 and be

00:46:40.960 seen as

00:46:41.680 man's home

00:46:42.440 where he

00:46:43.360 will find

00:46:43.840 life and

00:46:45.480 hope beyond

00:46:46.480 death.

00:46:49.440 So this

00:46:50.520 beauty is

00:46:51.540 what we

00:46:51.880 await,

00:46:52.160 but the

00:46:53.720 times that

00:46:54.300 we are

00:46:54.560 living

00:46:54.780 through

00:46:55.200 are

00:46:56.400 difficult,

00:46:57.520 hard,

00:46:58.340 scandalous,

00:46:59.140 and will

00:47:00.180 shake the

00:47:00.780 faith of

00:47:01.340 many

00:47:01.700 believers.

00:47:06.020 I'll run

00:47:06.640 through just

00:47:07.040 a few

00:47:07.300 things.

00:47:09.620 If I can

00:47:10.220 get a check

00:47:10.620 on time,

00:47:11.040 how are we

00:47:11.220 doing for

00:47:11.480 time?

00:47:14.040 How many

00:47:14.620 more?

00:47:16.240 One minute

00:47:16.840 left.

00:47:17.220 Ah,

00:47:18.060 okay,

00:47:18.320 well then I'll

00:47:18.660 save all that

00:47:19.140 for Q&A.

00:47:22.060 But let

00:47:23.560 me end with

00:47:23.940 this because,

00:47:24.700 and we had

00:47:25.300 it already,

00:47:25.740 this is a

00:47:26.080 really neat

00:47:26.440 thing,

00:47:26.640 when you have

00:47:26.840 great speakers

00:47:27.320 they say all

00:47:27.920 the stuff for

00:47:28.360 you.

00:47:28.980 The solution

00:47:29.680 was already

00:47:30.100 presented.

00:47:31.240 The solution

00:47:31.740 doesn't change.

00:47:33.220 In the end,

00:47:33.940 my immaculate

00:47:34.400 heart will

00:47:34.740 triumph.

00:47:35.560 That's the

00:47:36.260 promise that

00:47:36.720 we're working

00:47:37.100 towards.

00:47:37.580 That is what's

00:47:38.280 going to happen

00:47:38.800 absolutely and

00:47:40.200 100% sure.

00:47:41.400 This is no

00:47:42.140 joke.

00:47:43.720 Your children,

00:47:44.540 my children,

00:47:45.180 in my

00:47:47.440 take on

00:47:47.840 it,

00:47:48.260 will get

00:47:48.980 to experience

00:47:49.500 the triumph

00:47:49.900 of the

00:47:50.400 Immaculate

00:47:50.660 Heart.

00:47:51.680 I'm totally

00:47:52.460 hopeful for

00:47:53.060 their future.

00:47:53.600 I am not

00:47:54.260 depressed at

00:47:55.180 this at

00:47:55.700 all.

00:47:56.540 I love

00:47:56.980 our Lord.

00:47:58.800 Our Lady

00:47:59.240 brought me

00:47:59.640 to Him.

00:48:00.500 I totally

00:48:01.740 don't deserve

00:48:02.440 anything to

00:48:03.620 do with

00:48:04.860 them,

00:48:05.400 yet they

00:48:06.280 not only

00:48:06.640 blessed me

00:48:07.020 like that,

00:48:07.520 they blessed

00:48:07.920 me with

00:48:08.500 a wife,

00:48:09.600 eight beautiful

00:48:10.000 children,

00:48:11.160 and an

00:48:11.460 apostolate to

00:48:12.220 work with

00:48:12.980 saints,

00:48:13.680 who I

00:48:14.980 really

00:48:15.380 believe are

00:48:15.740 saints.

00:48:18.600 It's so

00:48:19.340 beautiful,

00:48:21.160 and totally,

00:48:23.540 totally unworthy,

00:48:24.320 but I love

00:48:24.960 it,

00:48:26.140 because they're

00:48:26.820 generous,

00:48:27.200 they're generous

00:48:27.640 to sinners.

00:48:29.520 It's a really

00:48:30.460 neat thing about

00:48:31.820 God and what

00:48:33.000 He chooses to

00:48:33.600 do.

00:48:35.120 He says,

00:48:37.220 I choose

00:48:37.840 the weak

00:48:38.460 of this

00:48:39.520 world to

00:48:40.780 confound the

00:48:41.340 wise,

00:48:41.740 and I choose

00:48:42.140 the foolish,

00:48:42.880 excuse me,

00:48:43.240 the weak

00:48:43.540 of this

00:48:43.800 world to

00:48:44.160 confound

00:48:44.420 the strong,

00:48:45.540 and the

00:48:45.920 foolish of

00:48:46.700 this world

00:48:47.120 to confound

00:48:48.260 the wise.

00:48:50.060 If His

00:48:50.420 criteria is

00:48:51.340 the weak

00:48:51.840 and the

00:48:52.100 foolish,

00:48:53.160 I qualify.

00:48:56.940 And it

00:48:57.940 is a

00:48:58.540 beautiful

00:48:59.120 truth of

00:49:01.060 the faith

00:49:01.660 that in

00:49:03.000 the end,

00:49:03.440 her immaculate

00:49:03.920 heart will

00:49:04.300 triumph.

00:49:05.440 In the

00:49:05.940 end,

00:49:06.960 her heel

00:49:07.820 will crush

00:49:09.020 his head.

00:49:11.080 There's so

00:49:11.800 much to be

00:49:12.140 said on that,

00:49:12.540 but in

00:49:13.020 Demont

00:49:13.300 Four,

00:49:13.700 who is

00:49:13.920 the greatest

00:49:14.420 theologian

00:49:15.000 on Mary

00:49:16.080 that ever

00:49:16.760 existed,

00:49:18.160 he talks

00:49:18.680 about these

00:49:20.160 great saints

00:49:21.160 that will

00:49:21.560 come at the

00:49:22.040 end of

00:49:22.760 time,

00:49:23.540 who will

00:49:24.300 outshine

00:49:25.080 the saints

00:49:26.560 of old

00:49:27.000 like the

00:49:27.960 cedars of

00:49:28.460 Lebanon

00:49:28.840 do shrubs.

00:49:31.600 And

00:49:32.240 there's one

00:49:33.740 also really

00:49:34.900 great thing

00:49:35.480 about her

00:49:36.960 crushing of

00:49:38.060 the head of

00:49:38.480 Satan with

00:49:38.880 her heel.

00:49:39.260 heel is

00:49:42.240 the lowest,

00:49:43.480 weakest,

00:49:45.060 most

00:49:45.320 discarded

00:49:45.980 place on

00:49:46.980 the body.

00:49:48.140 It's like

00:49:48.680 the end of

00:49:49.680 the end,

00:49:50.060 the bottom

00:49:50.440 of the

00:49:50.780 bottom.

00:49:52.180 Our Lord

00:49:52.880 choosing the

00:49:53.360 weak and

00:49:53.600 the foolish,

00:49:54.800 and it

00:49:55.780 being the

00:49:56.320 lowest place.

00:49:58.500 Look at our

00:49:59.300 situation right

00:50:00.080 now.

00:50:00.420 Our situation's

00:50:01.180 impossible.

00:50:02.540 The world

00:50:03.300 is arrayed in

00:50:04.420 power like

00:50:05.420 never before.

00:50:06.040 The

00:50:06.720 governments,

00:50:07.240 not even

00:50:07.520 our locals,

00:50:08.700 the international

00:50:09.480 governments are

00:50:10.160 now lording it

00:50:10.980 over us.

00:50:11.980 They've got

00:50:12.580 weapons that

00:50:13.780 we've never

00:50:14.500 dreamed possible.

00:50:15.800 They invade

00:50:16.500 everything we

00:50:17.340 do.

00:50:17.880 They've spied

00:50:18.480 on you

00:50:18.920 through your

00:50:19.900 device.

00:50:20.360 They have

00:50:20.800 everything on

00:50:21.680 you.

00:50:22.660 You have

00:50:23.500 an AI

00:50:24.100 intelligence

00:50:24.680 that is

00:50:25.640 wicked and

00:50:26.760 can do

00:50:27.220 just about

00:50:27.860 anything,

00:50:28.700 and it's

00:50:29.300 scary as

00:50:29.820 heck.

00:50:30.260 How are we

00:50:30.840 going to

00:50:31.180 avoid anything?

00:50:31.980 We already

00:50:32.400 just had the

00:50:32.960 trial for the

00:50:33.640 mark of the

00:50:33.980 beast where

00:50:34.420 you weren't

00:50:34.740 allowed to

00:50:35.080 buy and

00:50:35.380 sell.

00:50:36.620 If you

00:50:37.160 didn't get

00:50:37.540 the jab,

00:50:38.140 you weren't

00:50:38.540 allowed to

00:50:38.880 travel,

00:50:39.560 you weren't

00:50:40.020 allowed to

00:50:40.380 go into

00:50:40.660 stores.

00:50:41.020 In Canada,

00:50:41.500 we were

00:50:42.340 allowed to

00:50:45.180 buy food

00:50:46.040 in a food

00:50:46.980 mart,

00:50:47.240 but we

00:50:47.460 couldn't

00:50:47.740 sit there

00:50:48.220 and have

00:50:48.980 it unless

00:50:49.500 you showed

00:50:49.960 them your

00:50:50.280 vax papers.

00:50:51.680 We've had

00:50:52.320 the dry

00:50:52.700 run for

00:50:53.580 the mark

00:50:53.860 of the

00:50:54.040 beast.

00:50:55.800 How are

00:50:56.440 we going

00:50:56.700 to fight

00:50:57.020 this?

00:50:57.400 We're not

00:50:57.820 going to

00:50:58.400 because we

00:50:59.360 don't even

00:50:59.720 have the

00:51:00.840 church anymore.

00:51:02.400 We're not

00:51:03.100 left with

00:51:03.920 the solidity

00:51:04.880 in the

00:51:05.120 church.

00:51:05.360 We have

00:51:05.700 saints

00:51:06.000 fighting on

00:51:06.420 either side

00:51:06.860 at the

00:51:07.360 same time

00:51:08.300 that all

00:51:09.480 of this is

00:51:09.860 happening around

00:51:10.360 us.

00:51:11.240 But that's

00:51:11.940 when you

00:51:12.240 know our

00:51:13.520 Lord's going

00:51:13.860 to act

00:51:14.180 because he's

00:51:16.220 waiting for

00:51:17.480 us to

00:51:18.420 recognize we

00:51:19.720 have nothing.

00:51:20.940 I did an

00:51:21.720 astounding

00:51:22.380 interview with

00:51:23.760 a lady on

00:51:25.060 marriage.

00:51:25.420 Her name

00:51:25.640 is Trisha

00:51:26.020 Nolan.

00:51:26.700 She's the

00:51:27.100 mother of

00:51:27.400 13, two

00:51:28.160 fraternity

00:51:28.640 priests.

00:51:30.680 And at

00:51:31.560 25 years of

00:51:32.280 marriage she

00:51:32.740 said to

00:51:35.000 her husband,

00:51:35.640 don't ask

00:51:36.540 me to do

00:51:37.000 a renewal

00:51:37.480 of vows.

00:51:38.160 I will

00:51:38.420 say no.

00:51:39.820 This is

00:51:40.400 at 25

00:51:40.880 years

00:51:41.180 marriage.

00:51:44.560 And she

00:51:45.840 says to

00:51:46.820 our Lord,

00:51:47.340 because it

00:51:48.020 was a divinely

00:51:48.520 arranged marriage.

00:51:49.100 She knew

00:51:49.360 that.

00:51:49.580 He knew

00:51:49.800 that.

00:51:50.660 She says

00:51:51.300 to our

00:51:51.520 Lord,

00:51:51.900 enough

00:51:52.160 already.

00:51:53.000 I have

00:51:53.360 nothing

00:51:53.720 left.

00:51:54.480 They're

00:51:54.680 over 25

00:51:55.180 years

00:51:55.380 married.

00:51:56.760 And

00:51:57.180 basically she

00:51:57.840 feels

00:51:58.120 interiorly the

00:51:58.700 answer,

00:51:59.680 finally,

00:52:00.880 I've been

00:52:02.360 waiting for

00:52:03.780 you to have

00:52:04.160 nothing left

00:52:04.560 so I could

00:52:05.160 give you my

00:52:05.680 love for

00:52:06.920 your husband.

00:52:08.520 A tiny

00:52:09.220 spark of

00:52:09.680 his love.

00:52:11.580 Now,

00:52:12.220 she says,

00:52:13.120 that her

00:52:13.620 marriage is

00:52:13.980 the greatest

00:52:14.460 thing that's

00:52:14.800 ever happened

00:52:15.120 to her.

00:52:15.340 She knows

00:52:15.780 because she's

00:52:17.740 using his

00:52:18.120 love.

00:52:19.020 In the

00:52:19.660 end,

00:52:20.340 when we

00:52:20.720 have nothing

00:52:21.280 and truly

00:52:21.900 have nothing,

00:52:23.060 no power,

00:52:25.260 our Lord

00:52:25.640 will say,

00:52:26.880 finally,

00:52:28.300 I've been

00:52:28.860 waiting for

00:52:29.360 you to

00:52:29.640 recognize you

00:52:30.260 have nothing

00:52:30.740 so that I

00:52:32.500 can give

00:52:32.840 you a

00:52:33.860 tiny spark

00:52:34.380 of my

00:52:34.680 love,

00:52:35.580 which is

00:52:35.980 my Holy

00:52:36.340 Mother to

00:52:36.720 act for

00:52:37.140 you.

00:52:38.120 And boy,

00:52:38.760 will she.

00:52:39.860 We're working

00:52:40.480 toward the

00:52:41.100 triumph of

00:52:41.520 the Immaculate

00:52:41.840 Heart.

00:52:43.220 Because the

00:52:44.000 times are

00:52:44.680 tough,

00:52:45.400 we know

00:52:45.800 that it's

00:52:46.180 coming soon.

00:52:47.000 My

00:52:48.220 friends,

00:52:49.220 I love

00:52:50.620 you.

00:52:50.900 I thank

00:52:51.340 you for

00:52:52.020 your support

00:52:52.640 for LifeSite,

00:52:54.020 for your

00:52:54.820 support for

00:52:55.400 the great

00:52:55.840 men and

00:52:56.160 women who

00:52:56.720 work at

00:52:57.540 LifeSite

00:52:57.800 every day

00:52:58.160 to provide

00:52:58.800 you with

00:52:59.920 their best

00:53:00.980 effort to

00:53:01.640 bring out

00:53:02.000 the truth

00:53:02.440 of Jesus

00:53:02.800 Christ.

00:53:03.960 And we

00:53:05.100 love getting

00:53:06.440 to introduce

00:53:07.040 you to

00:53:08.420 the holy

00:53:10.020 men and

00:53:10.400 women today

00:53:10.960 who are

00:53:11.500 striving in

00:53:12.060 all sorts of

00:53:12.720 different spheres

00:53:13.220 to bring you

00:53:14.320 Christ and

00:53:14.720 his Holy

00:53:14.960 Mother.

00:53:15.420 God bless you,

00:53:15.840 my friends.

00:53:16.120 Thank you.

The John-Henry Westen Show - October 18, 2024

The question everyone’s asking： Is Francis the pope？

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