The John-Henry Westen Show - The revolution has entered the Church

00:00:00.000 Dr. Thomas Ward, who refers to himself as a simple country doctor, is a heroic defender

00:00:07.840 of faith, life, and family. He's engaged in this work for over 40 years. He and his wife

00:00:14.460 Mary, also a doctor, have raised six children of their own and are now blessed with nearly

00:00:19.720 20 grandchildren. He, with his whole family, met personally with Pope St. John Paul II

00:00:25.300 and was encouraged by the late Pope in his activities defending the family. He founded

00:00:30.480 the National Association of Catholic Families in the UK. He was invited by Pope Benedict

00:00:35.180 to be a corresponding member of the Pontifical Academy for Life. He has organized many programmages

00:00:41.400 to Our Lady of Walsingham, the Great Marian Shrine in England. When Pope Francis changed

00:00:47.600 the Pontifical Academy for Life to eliminate the pro-life clause and changed the Academy's

00:00:52.040 mandate, Dr. Ward was removed from the Pontifical Academy, along with a number of other members

00:00:57.760 who were most close to their heart and thought of Pope St. John Paul II. And without further

00:01:04.340 ado, here is our interview with Dr. Ward, filmed at his home in Suffolk, England.

00:01:09.460 Welcome, Dr. Ward.

00:01:10.760 Thank you very much, and very welcome to England. On behalf of all of your many, many readers

00:01:17.980 here who feel deeply grateful to you for your defense of our families.

00:01:23.040 Praise God. And let's begin, as we always do, with the sign of the cross. In the name

00:01:27.000 of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.

00:01:32.940 So, Dr. Ward, you have, over your history, both in pro-life movement and in working with

00:01:41.220 the church, often studied and talked about revolution, particularly the sexual revolution.

00:01:48.660 And it has been for you, both as a doctor and as someone involved in defending families,

00:01:55.540 especially in the faith, been a seat or source of much both pain physically for people you've

00:02:05.760 treated, but also pain in terms of the faith, and in terms of causing loss of faith. Can you give us

00:02:12.800 some understanding, or your understanding, of the sexual revolutions and its origins?

00:02:19.080 Well, I'm delighted to try. But I think the first, as you've been, we had a little chat beforehand,

00:02:26.560 and I mentioned the word freedom. And I didn't really start my interest, my career, God help me,

00:02:35.680 in this work, because of moral concerns, but because of the concern about freedom, and the freedom

00:02:47.440 I knew that it was being removed, because of effectively a cultural revolution. And at that point in my

00:02:58.880 development of my thinking, we tried to restore parents' rights. But it became increasingly obvious

00:03:09.680 that the crisis, that the crisis was a spiritual crisis. And we, as a family, and as a movement, have been deeply

00:03:19.200 encouraged, guided by St. John Paul's teaching on the family, which I think is perhaps the greatest

00:03:27.920 bulwark to the evil revolution, which is threatening all of society, indeed all of the world.

00:03:36.160 So if I can start, really, by quoting John Paul. And if my eyes wander a little, I am actually quoting.

00:03:55.360 In 76, Cardinal Carol Weichella, John Paul to be, said,

00:04:01.360 we are now in the face of the greatest historical confrontation humanity has gone through. The greatest

00:04:09.040 historical confrontation. That's really like a cultural confrontation. The final confrontation

00:04:19.280 between the church and the anti-church. So he immediately brings in the church into this confrontation.

00:04:27.600 The gospel and the anti-gospel. And he assures us that this is all, this confrontation is entirely

00:04:38.000 within divine providence. And I think that this has to be the leitmotif of everything we are doing.

00:04:45.600 But the second quotation, before I speak about revolution, would be Sister Lucia of Fatima. And she also has

00:04:56.480 written on the nature of this confrontation between the church and the culture of death. And she also says

00:05:06.000 it's within divine providence. And I quote, the final battle between the Lord and the reign of Satan will be about marriage and the family.

00:05:16.160 We are not being narrow by concentrating on the revolution, by making it too specific.

00:05:29.040 It is on marriage, on the family. And Sister Lucia said, don't be afraid, because anyone who works

00:05:36.880 for the sanctity of marriage and the family will always be fought and deposed in every day, in every way,

00:05:43.840 because this is the decisive issue.

00:05:47.440 Now, note, this is the decisive issue. She's not just saying this is the decisive issue for culture.

00:05:59.440 This is the decisive issue for the church.

00:06:04.640 Didn't she, when she appeared in 1917, already warn us that it was in fact, she said,

00:06:13.680 fashions will be introduced that will offend my son very much. Woe to women lacking in modesty. 1.00

00:06:19.760 She also said, more people go to hell for sins of the flesh than for any other reason.

00:06:27.440 And that really does put a fine point or focus on what heaven is telling us is Satan's greatest weapon

00:06:38.400 to keep people out of heaven, to cast people into hell.

00:06:44.240 Yes, and I think that the thinkers of the culture of death are very aware of this,

00:06:53.760 because human sexuality is so fundamental to man that if you destroy normal human sexuality,

00:07:04.080 man is hardly going to be capable of continuing as a human being.

00:07:11.520 And you can't be a Christian unless you're a human being. 0.97

00:07:16.080 Absolutely. Absolutely. And we've got now a situation where we have really a pinnacle in terms of

00:07:27.280 the times of human existence, a pinnacle of hell, if you will, or a pinnacle of disaster in terms of sexual revolution.

00:07:38.560 A lot of people say, you know, oh, times were much worse in the past, much worse in the past.

00:07:44.800 Well, actually, no. If we look at, for instance, just one of the mainstays of the sexual revolution or of

00:07:52.320 hell on earth, you have addiction to pornography. And I'm not talking about hardcore versus softcore,

00:07:59.920 all that nonsense. It's all pornography. It's all mortal sin. 0.99

00:08:02.480 And so to those people who would say, oh, it was much worse in the past, there's actually more sin

00:08:09.200 today than ever in the past. And you can say that very easily by just looking at the number of people

00:08:15.520 today who regularly view pornography, therefore regularly are in mortal sin. And you compare that,

00:08:23.680 let's say, to when Our Lady first mentioned it in 1917. There's more people, if you will, watching

00:08:31.200 pornography regularly and abusing themselves with that today than there are people who are alive

00:08:37.680 in 1917. So it is quite the situation that we're in, really and truly, as Cardinal Kephara, as you

00:08:48.320 mentioned, mentioned, saying that we are in the times of that final confrontation between Our Lord and the

00:08:54.000 Reign of Satan and the Reign of Satan right now. So give us, if you would, a bit of a progression from

00:09:01.760 where you see the sexual revolution beginning in earnest and where we are today.

00:09:07.840 I think one of the key words in what St. John Paul said is the final confrontation,

00:09:16.480 because it's a sequence. It's implicit in that that it's a sequence of confrontations. And I think

00:09:23.440 the first confrontation that we have to consider is the French Revolution in 1789. Now, some would also

00:09:33.920 say the Protestant Revolution beforehand, but that's a little bit out of my area of expertise. But if we

00:09:40.960 consider the French Revolution, I think that one of the greatest thinkers of the French Revolution and

00:09:50.720 of a deep revolution was the Marquis de Stade. And in 1789, the Bastille was liberated and one of the,

00:10:04.480 there were very few people in the Bastille. And one of the people that was liberated was the Marquis Alphonse de Stade.

00:10:13.920 And he espoused the revolution, became a very fervent revolutionary. And I want to just, so that I get this

00:10:26.240 to write a list of the middles or synopsis of what he advocated. He advocated the total uprooting of Christianity. 0.73

00:10:42.080 The total uprooting of Christianity, so that other things could follow. But it's a chicken and egg 0.99

00:10:47.680 situation. When the other things follow, as we will see when I mentioned the Frankfurt School,

00:10:52.400 the Church is damaged. When the Church is damaged, people are damaged. And the Church is the moral

00:11:00.800 catalyst, the moral pacemaker of the world. And when the pacemaker goes into atrial fibrillation,

00:11:10.880 which is rather what is happening, we've gone from congestive cardiac failure,

00:11:18.080 if I may speak as a doctor to atrial fibrillation, or ventricular fibrillation, ventricular fibrillation,

00:11:25.520 then very serious things are going to happen. And this man, I think he was a genius, the Marquis de Stade.

00:11:33.760 He advocated the total uprooting of Christianity, claiming that blasphemy, theft, homicide,

00:11:40.240 every type of sexual perversion, incest, rape, and sodomy were revolutionary achievements. 0.92

00:11:53.440 Seems to be aimed at...

00:11:57.200 Now, if any of your listeners or viewers think this is an overstatement, just let them switch on

00:12:04.880 their television and they'll see that these things now, this has been accomplished.

00:12:12.320 And he said, and this is vital, and it is true if you hold a mirror up to it,

00:12:20.560 that these achievements were only considered criminal because of the deceptions of the Catholic Church.

00:12:27.600 There is an inverse logic here. In that sense, he is right. So the attack on human sexualities,

00:12:38.000 the attack on the church, the attack on the church is an attack on human sexuality.

00:12:41.280 And from my early point of view, it's attack on freedom, of human freedom.

00:12:48.720 In his novel, 120 Days of Sodom,

00:12:51.440 he said that all differences, including sexual, were to be obliterated. Now, have we heard that today?

00:13:01.440 I don't know how many genders there are now. It seems an infinite number. 1.00

00:13:08.160 In order to bring primordial chaos. And we're pretty well there.

00:13:16.960 Indeed, you might say he wanted to make a mess.

00:13:24.800 In his novel, Juliet, a man says, at 10 a.m., dressed as a woman, I want to marry a man. 0.66

00:13:32.080 At midday, dressed as a man, I want to marry a homosexual man who's dressed as a woman. 1.00

00:13:38.480 Here we have the insanity of gender theory.

00:13:42.880 And this was proposed in 1787.

00:13:50.400 And it's come to a fruition now like you wouldn't believe.

00:13:52.720 It's come to a fruition. It is insanity.

00:13:55.520 And the poor Marquis de Sert died in an asylum for the insane.

00:14:02.560 So I would say, I would consider the first stage in the modern revolution to be the French revolution.

00:14:16.560 And I think the greatest thinker was the Marquis de Sert.

00:14:20.000 Of course, we have Voltaire and the noble savage. We'll come to that later.

00:14:26.640 So that would be my first point in answer to you.

00:14:29.120 Amazing. Where do we go from there? Where does the sexual revolution progress to? 0.99

00:14:37.360 It is a continuity.

00:14:41.440 It's absolutely a continuity of ideas.

00:14:44.800 And a clever person than me might be able to spell out the people who have been involved in me will be in continuity as well.

00:14:52.640 But I now want to go to 1848, chapter 2 of the Communist Manifesto, in which Marx and Engels addressed the abolition of the family.

00:15:08.160 And a key point in the abolition of the family was the education in the home of children.

00:15:20.080 Note, I'm not speaking of home education in a specific sense as we have in a modern sense, but the education by parents.

00:15:30.400 I quote, but you say we destroy the most hallowed of relations when we replace home education, that's education in the family, by social education.

00:15:44.400 This bourgeois claptrap about the family and education, about the hallowed correlation of parents and child.

00:15:52.800 It's quite interesting that Marx and Engels are speaking about God, the hallowed relationship between the child and the parent.

00:16:12.480 They get it in one.

00:16:14.080 And again, you have to hold the mirror up to it.

00:16:24.160 So, the God-given, hallowed right is to be removed by the Marxists.

00:16:33.200 And you know, Marxism ends up taking 150 million lives.

00:16:39.920 Culture of death.

00:16:40.800 The next stage, I think, is the October Revolution in 1917.

00:16:52.640 In which the West, in the form of Germany, exported Marxism to the East. 0.78

00:17:03.920 To become, arguably, its greatest victims.

00:17:12.480 You count to mind that, in the Soviet Revolution,

00:17:15.680 200,000 Orthodox priests, monks and nuns were killed.

00:17:20.400 And the vast number of people who died in the Ukraine.

00:17:27.760 And Winston Churchill spoke about this.

00:17:31.760 And he said,

00:17:32.080 The German generals transported Lenin in a sealed truck like a plague.

00:17:36.960 And the plague soon took effect.

00:17:44.240 And I want to mention Alexandra Kollontai, who was the first Soviet People's Commissar for Social Welfare.

00:17:53.440 And this sentence, I think, is pretty definitive of everything we're going to talk about.

00:18:02.000 She said,

00:18:02.640 Communist society will take upon itself all the duties involved on the education of the child.

00:18:10.080 The natural family was to be replaced by a great socialist, universal family.

00:18:18.000 They rapidly followed divorce legislation, abortion legislation, and the decriminalization of homosexuality.

00:18:25.600 All within three or four years.

00:18:27.280 Very, very quickly.

00:18:33.600 Also, you have, again, very interesting, Trotsky advocating infant sexuality and the work of various

00:18:44.080 academics such as William Reich and Vera Schmidt and, of course, Freud.

00:18:50.160 So we even have, and free love from Freud and infant sexuality.

00:18:55.200 So everything is in place for their final solution that we are experiencing in the West. 0.60

00:19:04.000 And this was inside the communist regime.

00:19:06.800 This was inside the communist regime.

00:19:10.160 Yes, and very early on.

00:19:13.920 Amazing.

00:19:14.320 So, we have Ma Belle France with the French Revolution. 0.53

00:19:19.760 We have the Marxist-Soviet Revolution. 0.52

00:19:29.440 The disease, the plague that Mr. Churchill spoke about has gone from the West to the East.

00:19:36.080 But I don't think that is the main target.

00:19:42.320 I don't think it ever really was.

00:19:48.640 In 1922, Lennon, still alive, frail but alive,

00:19:54.160 initiated a meeting of experts, of theologians, one might always say, or anti-theologians,

00:20:04.640 at the Marx-Engels Institute in Moscow,

00:20:07.840 to consider why the Bolshevik Revolution had not swept into Europe and America.

00:20:12.160 Now, remember, there had been a small revolution in Budapest, a small communist revolution in Munich,

00:20:19.120 but it hadn't worked.

00:20:20.960 And these people quite intelligently wanted to know why.

00:20:25.760 And one of the conclusions was that the culture in the West, in particular in Europe and America,

00:20:36.400 that the Judeo-Christian culture, and I note I use culture, not necessarily religious practice,

00:20:43.040 was still too strong, and had to be destabilized and then destroyed

00:20:50.400 for the revolution to succeed.

00:20:58.640 And the chosen means was a sexual and cultural revolution, 0.65

00:21:05.520 which would affect man at his deepest being.

00:21:10.000 Now, I want to speak about two of the thinkers in this Marx-Engels Institute.

00:21:25.040 Very, very briefly, and this is a gross, these are telegrams.

00:21:30.960 I want to speak about two of the scholars.

00:21:32.560 Vili Monsenberg recommended to the Soviets that intellectuals be organized

00:21:42.560 to make Western civilization stink. 0.81

00:21:49.440 That we ourselves would find ourselves disgusting. 0.95

00:21:54.480 And we do.

00:21:54.960 We are in a situation of being ashamed of our own culture, of our own values,

00:22:04.560 and attacking them ourselves, our own basic Christian civilization and its cultural values. 0.79

00:22:16.640 The second person I want to mention was a gentleman called George Lukacs.

00:22:22.560 And his key idea was revolution and eros,

00:22:29.520 sexual instinct to be used as an instrument of destruction. 0.73

00:22:35.520 Because remember, to impose the revolution, you have to destroy that which there is.

00:22:44.880 I think this is very important in the modern church.

00:22:47.520 If you're imposing a revolution, you have to destroy.

00:22:56.400 Make a shambles of everything that there is.

00:23:03.040 When Lenin died from his, I think, from a stroke in 1924, Stalin came on the scene. 0.74

00:23:09.440 And Stalin was not so much a Westernizer as Lenin had been, but he was a Slavophile. 0.51

00:23:18.160 And he saw things a bit differently.

00:23:19.840 And he regarded these people, these intellectuals, as being revisionists.

00:23:27.200 And he fled, very wisely.

00:23:32.240 And he fled to Frankfurt.

00:23:34.640 And set up what became the Frankfurt School.

00:23:38.960 Which really is the beginning of Western cultural Marxism.

00:23:45.280 Of a soft revolution.

00:23:47.200 So they moved to Frankfurt.

00:23:52.560 These chaps, in a sense, didn't have very, very good luck in choosing the dictators that 0.76

00:23:59.200 they were going to live under.

00:24:01.120 Because one moment Stalin kicked them out, and the next minute Hitler kicked them out as well. 0.90

00:24:08.320 But I think this was very beneficial to them, and to the revolution, and the movement, their philosophical movement.

00:24:22.560 Because when they left, they fled to America.

00:24:29.120 They went to Harvard, Columbia, Princeton, Berkeley.

00:24:33.360 And they used these hubs of learning to disseminate their thinking.

00:24:42.000 And it affects almost every aspect of Western culture now.

00:24:48.080 They used the commercial media, the vast commercial empire of the United States,

00:24:55.600 and its huge academic resources to propagate their ideology.

00:25:03.360 And who would have been some of those people who got transferred after they were kicked out?

00:25:10.000 I guess first by Hitler, then by Stalin.

00:25:12.400 Who were they who actually went?

00:25:14.560 A couple of them, even.

00:25:16.400 When Lenin died, the protection of these people went.

00:25:21.600 And Lukács, and Munzeberg, and many others, there were 21 of them, fled to Frankfurt.

00:25:28.320 And a good number of these 21, and I concentrated for the purpose of this interview on these two, fled to these universities.

00:25:38.320 In this cultural revolution, which is a soft revolution, which is much wiser, really,

00:25:44.880 because we have seen from the fall of the Soviet Union, that Stalinism didn't work.

00:25:52.640 I remember once we had a communist shop steward supervising some Polish workers here before we followed them all. 0.61

00:26:00.720 I said to him, you know, I think that all the communists are here, and all the anti-communists are in your country.

00:26:12.000 This is a communist shop steward, and he said, yes, they are.

00:26:14.880 So we are really living in a time of cultural Marxism.

00:26:22.600 And this cultural Marxism focused its attack on the family, sexuality, education, the media, pop culture.

00:26:34.160 And their intention was the destruction of the family, and through the destruction of the family, the destruction of society.

00:26:44.880 They pushed pansexualism, Freud's idea of pansexualism, which is totally accepted now.

00:26:54.000 Well, not quite, but give it a little time.

00:26:58.480 And they attacked sexual normality.

00:27:03.280 They undermined the role of fathers, of mothers, and the relationship between husband and wife.

00:27:10.480 And they attacked the primary educator.

00:27:15.280 And they promoted sex education, sexual indoctrination, and homosexual indoctrination, 0.99

00:27:27.200 which destroyed chastity and the innocence of young people.

00:27:31.680 So, Dr. Ward, we were talking then about the revolutions, and coming up toward the sexual revolution.

00:27:43.200 And then, the seeing of that sexual revolution play out in the Church, and perhaps even seeing it into Pope Francis.

00:27:51.900 Where does where we've been so far lead us to, in terms of the sexual revolution?

00:27:56.400 I think you have to see the impact of the culture on churchmen.

00:28:05.600 And it's important for us to understand the brainwashing, as it were, that is going on.

00:28:14.160 And at this point, I want to speak about political correctness, which is really the child of the Frankfurt School. 0.72

00:28:21.280 And it attempts to mould language, to neologisms, to create words, to shape our thinking, to conform with cultural Marxism.

00:28:35.440 And this is profoundly anti-Christian.

00:28:39.760 And it's imposing a deeply anti-Christian morality on society.

00:28:45.280 It's a bit like the witches in Macbeth, fair is foul, and foul is fair.

00:28:54.560 Political correctness creates new words, which become slogans of intimidation.

00:29:01.880 And these words become hate crimes.

00:29:08.480 But we must realise that this is not new, because in the time of Tacitus, the Christians were regarded as being people who hated.

00:29:28.640 But, you know, what did they hate?

00:29:31.500 They hated people being thrown to the lions.

00:29:34.460 They were diminishing people's abuse.

00:29:43.100 So nothing, nothing really is new.

00:29:48.540 They wish us to think that every, all social differences, sexual differences, sexual differences are constructs.

00:29:55.460 And if we don't accept this, we are haters, and are liable to have the police arrive at our door.

00:30:04.740 And you're saying this concept comes not just now, we're all familiar with that concept, but you're saying this originated in the Frankfurt School.

00:30:12.660 I'm saying that this is, yes, the Frankfurt School is not like Stalin and his thugs.

00:30:21.860 This is a sort of intellectual thuggery, which in the West has worked very much more, much better, through liberalism, which just could not really oppose this.

00:30:37.880 And we get people now whispering to one another, and this is true, that I don't mind, for example, I don't mind telling you, my neighbour, that I think a child needs a father and a mother.

00:30:53.480 And people are whispering this, this is a fact, I've seen this.

00:30:55.820 Now, in the West, as if it weren't enough that we had to put up with this re-export of Marxism, which became cultural Marxism, but we also had to put up with the population lobby.

00:31:17.500 And it's very interesting that there are very deep concepts in common.

00:31:25.820 This is very important, because we must remember that Kollontai, the Soviet lady, decide, we all spoke about Christianity and sexuality.

00:31:42.480 So, the first person I would mention is Brock Chisholm, who was the first director of the WHO, World Health Organization.

00:31:52.800 And he wanted sex education, and he wanted sex education imposed, if necessary by force, to quote, quote, to eliminate the ways of the elders.

00:32:08.800 Here we have the United Nations, World Health Organization.

00:32:12.800 But, an even better mirror of Alexandra Kollontai, and I'm not saying this lady was a Marxist, but the concept is almost identical.

00:32:28.500 So, Lady Helen Brooke, who, in England, was the first to organise set-ups to provide contraception for underage children, without parental knowledge, she wrote a letter to the Times.

00:32:45.540 I quote,

00:33:15.520 And, John Henry, I want to really underline this, and this is terribly important, from the point of view of freedom, which we're going to come to.

00:33:37.520 That, in the West, the removal of parents' rights, started with contraception, and then sex education.

00:33:49.520 It started with the separation of the procreative from the unitive.

00:33:57.520 We split these, and this has a huge impact on freedom.

00:34:07.520 Because the provision of contraception to underage children has metastasised to include underage abortion, general medical services, school homosexual indoctrination, and gender indoctrination.

00:34:25.860 Indeed, we're seeing children having the sex so-called changed against the will of the parents, or behind their backs.

00:34:37.100 And I guess, in a way, that's very logical.

00:34:41.100 Because if you have contraception dividing the sexual act from procreation, you then basically have the sexual act as a means to pleasure, and that's it. 0.58

00:34:56.100 Absolutely.

00:34:58.100 Absolutely.

00:34:59.100 This becomes the chief good.

00:35:01.100 It's total hedonism.

00:35:03.100 It's exactly what the Marquis de Sade wrote about.

00:35:08.100 But, I make one point, that the separation of the procreative and unitive, which has caused all of these consequences, has actually caused children to be forcefully separated from the parents, when the parents have gone to prison, because they have refused to allow children to be indoctrinated in schools.

00:35:33.100 This has happened in Germany.

00:35:35.100 And we must, that I say in parenthesis here, it has always, up until recent times, been the church that has defended these things.

00:35:46.100 And I would call as my first witness, the Marquis de Sade.

00:35:50.100 So, and I guess that would bring us then to the sexual revolution itself.

00:35:56.100 This is the really clever revolution.

00:35:59.100 Uh-huh.

00:36:00.100 This has been infinitely more successful than the French Revolution or the Marxist October Revolution.

00:36:08.100 And this is the so-called 1968 sexual revolution, in which the slogan was, it is forbidden to forbid.

00:36:17.100 Hmm.

00:36:18.100 Which is very logical.

00:36:19.100 It is forbidden to forbid.

00:36:20.100 Hmm.

00:36:21.100 Which is very logical.

00:36:22.100 It is forbidden to forbid.

00:36:23.100 His aim was the destruction of all laws and authority in the name of freedom and unrestrained sexual instinct.

00:36:37.100 And it has been enormously successful.

00:36:40.100 Contraception, cohabitation, adultery, promiscuity, pornography, infidelity, the whole, the whole thing.

00:36:53.100 And, of course, we also then roll on to the homosexual revolution and the importance of Kinsey's, the Kinsey Report in 1952, which contributed hugely to the homosexual revolution. 0.51

00:37:12.100 Now, some of the, I think we should know some of the key thinkers of the 1960 revolution.

00:37:22.100 Uh-huh.

00:37:23.100 And I start off with Herbert Marcuse, who is in direct continuity, because Marcuse was a member

00:37:33.100 of the Frankfurt School.

00:37:34.100 And he joined it in 1933.

00:37:39.100 And Marcuse wrote a book in 1955, in which he attempts to reduce human nature to unrestrained

00:37:48.100 sexual drive, very much as the Martin Engels School was doing initially, using Trotsky as

00:38:02.100 Trotsky, as Trotsky was pushing, pushing for Freud, et cetera, et cetera. 0.52

00:38:09.100 So, what we're seeing is a marriage of Marx and Freud.

00:38:18.100 And in Freud, you can see this in the population lobby.

00:38:25.100 Another important thinker in this was Sololinsky.

00:38:32.100 And here we have a very interesting concept, which I worked well upon.

00:38:37.100 But he wrote, in one of his books, called Rules for Radicals.

00:38:45.100 He dedicated the book to Lucifer, whom he called the first radical.

00:38:52.100 I find that very, very interesting if we are talking in terms of what Sister Lucia was speaking

00:38:58.100 of, of an apocalyptic struggle.

00:39:00.100 Uh-huh.

00:39:01.100 He had a huge effect and a destructive effect of the church in America.

00:39:08.100 So, we dealt with Marcuse, who mentioned Alinsky.

00:39:13.100 And then another very important one was Michel Foucault, who in 1961, and this is terribly important,

00:39:25.100 highlighted the relevance of the thoughts of the Marquis de Sade.

00:39:32.100 1961, the Marquis de Sade, in his book, Madness and Civilization.

00:39:42.100 Hmm.

00:39:43.100 I used the word insane for the Marquis de Sade.

00:39:47.100 And here is Foucault speaking about madness and civilization.

00:39:54.100 Except, correct me if I'm wrong, does he invert the two?

00:39:59.100 No, he calls it madness and civilization, a history of insanity in the age of reason to

00:40:06.100 our present culture.

00:40:08.100 Hmm.

00:40:09.100 What a definition of what we're facing.

00:40:14.100 He also wrote The Order of Things, an archaeology, an archaeology of the human sciences, very,

00:40:21.100 very pretentious, which is considered to have laid down the conceptual foundation of the

00:40:27.100 the gay lobby.

00:40:30.100 Hmm. 0.99

00:40:31.100 And he, poor man, died of AIDS.

00:40:36.100 Hmm.

00:40:37.100 But under Foucault's influence, the American writer Judith Butler wrote Gender Trouble, Feminism 0.98

00:40:46.100 and the Subversion of Identity, which was one of the first books to elaborate gender theory,

00:40:56.100 which is the last frontier of the postmodern ideology of the sexual revolution.

00:41:06.100 Utter insanity.

00:41:09.100 Hmm.

00:41:10.100 Many, many millions of Catholic families have fallen prey to this propaganda.

00:41:19.100 Now, this is, this sort of run-through of the visionaries.

00:41:26.100 You mentioned that they have hugely affected the church.

00:41:31.100 How so?

00:41:32.100 Well, I think that the crisis, now taking place in the Vatican, is centered on sexuality,

00:41:46.100 marriage, and the family.

00:41:51.100 Hmm.

00:41:52.100 And this is without precedence in 2,000 years, because the church has always protected sexuality, 0.96

00:41:58.100 marriage, and the family.

00:41:59.100 Hmm.

00:42:00.100 I mean, it was, it was one of the criticisms of Julian the Apostate, as far back as that.

00:42:07.100 What year was that?

00:42:08.100 What year was that?

00:42:09.100 It was in the...

00:42:10.100 This would have been about 350.

00:42:13.100 Yeah.

00:42:14.100 It was one of the criticisms.

00:42:17.100 And he wasn't alone.

00:42:20.100 So in reality, nothing has changed.

00:42:22.100 And they said, again, if we use our mirror, it's right.

00:42:27.100 Mm-hmm.

00:42:28.100 Mm-hmm.

00:42:29.100 The, the effect in the church, I'm going to have you talk about that in a little bit,

00:42:36.100 but it is very interesting because you have this departure now, whereas up till now, throughout

00:42:44.100 all of Christian history, this was the main enemy. 0.81

00:42:48.100 You, you talked in the beginning about the expressed need of the revolutionaries to destroy

00:42:54.100 the church, to get rid of the church, because that was the obstacle, if you will, of the,

00:43:01.100 of the, of the success of the revolution.

00:43:06.100 Well, absolutely.

00:43:08.100 Absolutely.

00:43:09.100 The, the church is the obstacle.

00:43:12.100 And in our time, in modern times, we had Casti Econobii. 0.66

00:43:17.100 We had, uh, Hermione Vitti.

00:43:21.100 We had the magnificent pontificate of John Paul from the point of view of the defense

00:43:26.100 of the family, giving us Familias Consortio, defense of life, Evangelium Vitti, the charter

00:43:32.100 of the rights of the family, his heroic, uh, defense, uh, of families and life, uh, against

00:43:39.100 the world population movement in Cairo and Peking.

00:43:43.100 Uh, it has, it has always really been thus.

00:43:49.100 Mm-hm.

00:43:50.100 And I, I think that, uh, what we're seeing now is, among senior churchmen, is without precedent

00:44:00.100 in 2,000 years.

00:44:02.100 And others are saying this.

00:44:05.100 Mm-hm.

00:44:06.100 What is happening is completely unique.

00:44:08.100 You know, people have said it's well beyond the alien crisis.

00:44:12.100 Mm-hm.

00:44:13.100 And I think it's certainly, as living in a Protestant country, I think it's well beyond the 0.97

00:44:16.100 Protestant crisis as well.

00:44:17.100 And do you see in this, in this new departure, uh, the, the sexual revolution or the, the,

00:44:26.100 that you've described right from the French Revolution on finally having achieved entrance,

00:44:31.100 if you will, or a successful, uh, uh, broach into the Catholic Church?

00:44:37.100 Mm-hm.

00:44:38.100 Yes.

00:44:39.100 Mm-hm.

00:44:40.100 Yes.

00:44:41.100 How so?

00:44:42.100 Can you take us through a few of those things?

00:44:43.100 I, I, I think that the question really has to be asked, we've spoken of three revolutions

00:44:52.100 with the same life motif, the good part.

00:44:57.100 The question has to be asked, is this revolution now in the Catholic Church?

00:45:02.100 Mm-hm.

00:45:03.100 Is it a revolution in the Catholic Church?

00:45:08.100 And I, I think, you know, I, I, your viewers have got to make up their minds on this.

00:45:12.100 I rather suspect a good number have already.

00:45:14.100 But, um, when I was giving a paper in, in Dublin, I challenged the audience to be the jury.

00:45:26.100 And the question is, is there a revolution in the Church?

00:45:31.100 And I'd like to call, again, some witnesses.

00:45:37.100 I'd like to call a number of the Cardinals.

00:45:42.100 I'd like to call Cardinal Walter Casper, whom I have met.

00:45:48.100 And Walter Casper says, Amoris Laetitiae will mark the start of the greatest revolution experienced

00:45:56.100 in the Church in 1500 years.

00:45:58.100 Hm.

00:45:59.100 Hm.

00:46:00.100 Hm.

00:46:01.100 My first witness.

00:46:02.100 My second witness.

00:46:04.100 Your eminence.

00:46:07.100 Blaise Cardinal Subic, who said, Amoris Laetitiae is a new paradigm of Catholicity.

00:46:19.100 A new paradigm is a revolution.

00:46:22.100 Upturning.

00:46:23.100 He went on, and thus, the core goal of formal teaching in marriage is accompaniment, not the

00:46:32.100 pursuit of an abstract, isolated set of truths.

00:46:37.100 Hm.

00:46:38.100 Amazing.

00:46:39.100 We're not going to be over-occupied by truth.

00:46:45.100 He went on, this represents a major shift in our ministerial approach.

00:46:50.100 That is nothing short of revolutionary.

00:46:53.100 Yeah.

00:46:54.100 That is my second witness.

00:46:57.100 My third witness is his eminence, Pietro Cardinal Parodin.

00:47:03.100 Amoris Laetitiae is a paradigm change, and the text itself insists on this.

00:47:12.100 Hm.

00:47:13.100 I might almost call the text the witness.

00:47:18.100 And then, the distinguished Theodore, ex-Cardinal McCarrick, who boasted how he actively helped

00:47:32.100 with the candidature of his friend, Cardinal Bergoglio.

00:47:35.100 I quote, After a very brilliant man, a very influential man in Rome, said, What about Bergoglio?

00:47:42.100 Does he have a chance?

00:47:44.100 This is very strange.

00:47:49.100 He claimed, this very intelligent man, and he was, that Bergoglio could reform the church.

00:47:57.100 If we gave him five years, he could put it back on target.

00:48:02.100 In five years, he could remake the church over again.

00:48:07.100 Hm.

00:48:08.100 The interesting question is, targets.

00:48:11.100 Back on target.

00:48:14.100 That's also an interesting question.

00:48:16.100 And our own, in England, Cardinal Murphy O'Connor said, Four years of Bergoglio would be enough

00:48:23.100 to change things.

00:48:25.100 Each of the witnesses you've called to defend your take on things happens to be very much

00:48:38.100 on the side of Bergoglio, if you will.

00:48:40.100 Well, you may say that.

00:48:44.100 Another witness I'd call is Cardinal Maradiaga, himself, a man who is not unknown to controversy,

00:48:53.100 who is theoretically Pope's second-in-command in governments.

00:48:59.100 And he said, The Second Vatican Council, Second Vatican Council, meant an end to the hostilities

00:49:07.100 between the church and modernism.

00:49:10.100 Hm.

00:49:11.100 So those are my first witnesses.

00:49:15.100 And then I'll call some other witnesses.

00:49:17.100 Indeed, you must forgive me if I'm being rather clerical.

00:49:23.100 These witnesses would be the very holy Cardinal Kefara, R.I.P., Cardinal Meisner, R.I.P., Cardinal

00:49:34.100 Brandmuller, and Cardinal Burke, who asked Pope Francis to clarify his position and that

00:49:42.100 of the church on matters relating to marriage and the family, the sacraments and eternal life.

00:49:48.100 And it's very easy to forget that everything we are talking about is about the four last

00:49:55.100 things, death, judgment, hell, or heaven.

00:49:59.100 Hm.

00:50:00.100 We forget that at our peril, and we've vastly forgotten it.

00:50:04.100 That is what the church is for.

00:50:06.100 The church is for eternity, for eternal salvation.

00:50:11.100 Hm.

00:50:13.100 But as we know, we're still waiting for the answer.

00:50:18.100 And Cardinal Burke has said this has caused a lot of confusion on the church.

00:50:24.100 Hm.

00:50:25.100 Now, these four also think there's a revolution going on.

00:50:30.100 And Cardinal Muller didn't say there was a revolution, but he implied it when he said,

00:50:39.100 Jesus Christ is my paradigm.

00:50:43.100 Hm.

00:50:44.100 That suggests there is another paradigm going on.

00:50:49.100 Mm-hm.

00:50:50.100 Cardinal Muller, then, not one of the four formal dubia cardinals that you just mentioned,

00:50:55.100 but the head under Benedict of the, excuse me, congregation for the doctrine of faith,

00:51:02.100 who was unceremoniously removed by Francis, and given actually no other position, amazingly,

00:51:09.100 because that normally doesn't happen.

00:51:12.100 And one of the now great defenders of orthodoxy against this new paradigm, if you will,

00:51:19.100 against the revolution.

00:51:20.100 Yes, yes.

00:51:21.100 And very consistent on humanity.

00:51:24.100 Mm-hm.

00:51:25.100 Which I think is terribly, terribly important.

00:51:30.100 But I put, I called these witnesses, I should have called the Marquis de Sade as well,

00:51:38.100 and I wonder which side he would have been on.

00:51:42.100 But I called these witnesses because we're talking of what has been said to me the greatest

00:51:52.100 and final historical confrontation between the church and the anti-church,

00:51:57.100 between the gospel and the anti-gospel.

00:51:59.100 And we have to ask ourselves, is what we're seeing in the church today this phenomenon,

00:52:08.100 this terrible, terrible thing?

00:52:11.100 Yeah.

00:52:12.100 And I wonder if Cardinal Caffara, who referred to, who gave us Sister Lucia's warning,

00:52:22.100 did he sing?

00:52:23.100 Do you know what you're saying?

00:52:25.100 He did indeed.

00:52:26.100 In fact, he said it was at the Rome Life Forum a few years ago now, before his death, that he in fact said those words of Sister Lucia to him about that final confrontation,

00:52:39.100 or decisive confrontation between Christ, between the reign of, between Christ and the reign of anti-Christ, was specifically this time.

00:52:50.100 And he was referring to the times of the synods on the family, which were distorting the truth about the indissolubility of marriage.

00:53:00.100 Well, from what you tell me, it almost looks as if his eminence Cardinal Caffara, whom I am old enough to have known as Monsignor Caffara,

00:53:09.100 and a most delightful man, who the Cardinal Caffara was calling Sister Lucia also as a witness.

00:53:18.100 So having called my witnesses in front of this jury, an audience, I then asked the jury to make up their minds on the substance of this revolution.

00:53:36.100 And I divided it into a number of topics.

00:53:43.100 First of all, marriage.

00:53:46.100 How marriage has been addressed now, in very high circles in the Vatican.

00:53:56.100 And the first point I made was that in his flight from Rio in 2013, in the aeroplane interview,

00:54:06.100 which is a terribly important interview, in which I think the Holy Father spells out his thinking really, rather clearly,

00:54:14.100 he made a cryptic, one thing that was cryptic, but significant reference to orthodox marriage discipline.

00:54:23.100 I quote, they follow the theology of what they call economia.

00:54:29.100 They give a second chance.

00:54:32.100 Now, as a Byzantineist, I would point out they don't just give a second chance.

00:54:38.100 They actually give a third chance.

00:54:41.100 So this was the Holy Father talking about the orthodox.

00:54:44.100 He was speaking about the orthodox position, marriage discipline,

00:54:49.100 and he spoke about economia, in which grace is available to allow people to have a second marriage,

00:54:57.100 a second attempt.

00:54:59.100 In fact, I quote, he said a second chance.

00:55:03.100 Right.

00:55:04.100 But this, I can speak as a Byzantinist, this is not entirely true,

00:55:10.100 because the orthodox doctrine, social marriage discipline, allows three marriages, with one exception.

00:55:23.100 Byzantine emperors were allowed four.

00:55:27.100 Emperors of Constantinople were allowed four.

00:55:30.100 Hmm.

00:55:32.100 Cardinal Burke, speaking about this, it was very logical, as always.

00:55:37.100 It is a great judicial mind.

00:55:40.100 He said that if a person who is living publicly in violation of his or her marriage bond

00:55:49.100 is admitted to the sacraments, and this is very important,

00:55:52.100 then either marriage is not indissoluble, practical,

00:55:57.100 or the sacrament of the Holy Eucharist is not the body of Christ.

00:56:01.100 I just pause to let us think on this.

00:56:10.100 Is marriage indissoluble?

00:56:12.100 Absolutely so.

00:56:13.100 Is, is after transubstation, the body, blood, soul, and divinity?

00:56:21.100 Jesus Christ is present.

00:56:22.100 Absolutely.

00:56:23.100 This is insanity.

00:56:28.100 On contraception, the first thing I want to do was marriage, and then contraception, 1.00

00:56:37.100 speaking of marriage immorality, in an interview with Father Spadaro, Pope Francis says,

00:56:45.100 we cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage, and the use of contraceptive methods.

00:56:54.100 I have not spoken much about these things.

00:56:57.100 Hmm.

00:56:58.100 And in 2017, Pope Francis set up a committee to comprehensively study humanifiti under Monsignor Marengo.

00:57:08.100 Monsignor Marengo, in his book, seems to relativise humanifiti, making it appear as a part of an evolving teaching

00:57:21.100 to be read in the light of Pope Francis' Amoris la Tizia.

00:57:26.100 So we see Father Maurizio Chiodi, now a member of the Reformed Pontifical Academy for Life,

00:57:38.100 perhaps you would like to mention that in a moment, saying that precisely for the sake of responsibility,

00:57:49.100 you might require a contraception.

00:57:52.100 Yeah.

00:57:54.100 But you know, as a family doctor, I ask myself, how can these people speak in this way,

00:58:04.100 not willing to talk very much about these issues?

00:58:10.100 How does he realise that the pill has an abortifacient mode of action?

00:58:22.100 There is a lot of controversy that's raised about that point.

00:58:26.100 Different theologians suggest, no, no, really, there's no abortifacient effect.

00:58:31.100 But you, as a doctor, what have you seen with regard to that? 0.99

00:58:37.100 I guess they're ridiculous. 0.95

00:58:40.100 An anecdote. 0.96

00:58:43.100 A patient came to me, a Catholic lady, and she told me, she'd gone to confession, to,

00:58:53.100 I think, a good priest.

00:58:56.100 And he said it was all right, under her circumstances, to use the pill.

00:59:03.100 And she came along to me and said, Doctor, read the data sheet.

00:59:10.100 It says it has one of the modes of action.

00:59:13.100 Not all.

00:59:14.100 One of the modes of action might be, is the prevention of implantation.

00:59:20.100 And she said, that's abortion. 1.00

00:59:22.100 Well, that upset her terribly, that she might have been having abortions on a monthly basis.

00:59:29.100 Might.

00:59:30.100 But what upset her very, very grievously was that this priest had sanctioned this.

00:59:37.100 They have destroyed their credibility by doing this.

00:59:42.100 And this has also happened in underage girls, being advised as well, that this is the lesser of the evils.

00:59:54.100 This is just nonsense.

00:59:56.100 It has been such a betrayal of our young people.

01:00:02.100 Mm-hmm.

01:00:03.100 I'd say with regard to Pope Francis, he's been a little bit more forward even than just saying we shouldn't speak about it much,

01:00:10.100 and just appointing folks who are pro-contraception.

01:00:14.100 He has himself said, when he was on the plane, and was asked about the concept of the lesser of two evils,

01:00:21.100 with regard to the use of contraception in places where Zika virus is present.

01:00:26.100 Which, as you know, has the possibility of causing some birth defects.

01:00:31.100 By the way, I believe lesser so than older women becoming pregnant. 1.00

01:00:35.100 But when asked about that, he said that it is the lesser of two evils, speaking of abortion being a crime even.

01:00:44.100 But he said, preventing birth is the lesser of two evils.

01:00:48.100 And then said, in certain cases, it was allowed, raising a case of nuns perhaps being raped in Africa.

01:00:57.100 And that was found to be false, nonetheless.

01:01:00.100 But, said it was allowed there, and in this case, meaning the case in Zika virus, it is clear that it's allowable.

01:01:08.100 It was so disconcerting for reporters who knew, even secular reporters, who knew something was terribly wrong.

01:01:15.100 They called up Father Lombardi at the Vatican press office to see what indeed the Pope actually meant,

01:01:22.100 because it was so revolutionary, what he was saying.

01:01:25.100 And Father Lombardi confirmed that the Pope was indeed speaking about the use of the pill and the condom in grave circumstances.

01:01:35.100 I would say to that, that people hear what they like.

01:01:41.100 And many people will interpret that, that if the pill is allowed in grave circumstances, my circumstances are grave.

01:01:52.100 And you will end up with the reality, which I have seen over many years, of over 90% of Catholics,

01:02:03.100 thinking contraception is okay, because of my circumstances.

01:02:07.100 And we mustn't forget that one of the consequences of the acceptance of contraception by parents is contraception teenagers.

01:02:19.100 But I would make one point.

01:02:23.100 Perhaps the Pope doesn't know of the abortifacient nature.

01:02:27.100 Please God, he doesn't know of this abortifacient nature.

01:02:32.100 But I'd make two points on this.

01:02:35.100 First of all, it's estimated that there had been between 350 and 750 million chemical abortions in the United States alone since the introduction of the pill.

01:02:49.100 350 to 750 million chemical abortions.

01:02:53.100 I don't know what the population of the United States is, but I think 750 million must be double the population of America.

01:03:05.100 And if he doesn't understand this and doesn't know this, this is a profound educational failure on the part of organizations like the

01:03:17.100 the Pontifical Council of the Family, the Pontifical Academy for Life, etc., etc.

01:03:25.100 Because in 1926 it was known that the administration of the oestrogens could have an abortifacient effect.

01:03:39.100 In 1926.

01:03:40.100 And Pincus himself, who invented the pill, believed that oral progesterone had a possible effect on implantation.

01:03:51.100 Now we're talking of 42 years before Humana Vitae.

01:03:55.100 One really has to ask oneself, at what level of education are these problems?

01:04:03.100 Because they have to make moral judgments on the basis of fact.

01:04:08.100 Yeah.

01:04:09.100 And even if they didn't know that, even if they thought perhaps somehow that they didn't have an abortifacient effect,

01:04:17.100 isn't the teaching of the church anyway that contraception by itself, forget about abortion,

01:04:22.100 is an intrinsic evil, therefore can never be done?

01:04:29.100 I completely agree with you.

01:04:32.100 I think all of the culture of death is hinged of the separation of the procreative and the unitive,

01:04:44.100 so clearly spelt out in Humana Vitae.

01:04:50.100 Everything becomes possible.

01:04:52.100 It's like splitting the atom.

01:04:55.100 Everything becomes possible.

01:04:57.100 It is the fundamental error.

01:05:00.100 And I would say, as an old man, that until there is, yes, an ex cathedra statement on the moral inadmissibility of the separation of the procreative and the unitive,

01:05:17.100 this cascade will continue.

01:05:24.100 Unbelievable.

01:05:25.100 This time in society, we are seeing, you began on this notion of freedom, that this is what really got you going.

01:05:36.100 You mentioned that we're really seeing an attack on freedom, freedom of parents to educate their children as the primary educator,

01:05:49.100 to protect them indeed from a lot of what's going on in our society.

01:05:53.100 Yet, it seems we're under more pressure like that than perhaps ever before, just in society.

01:06:01.100 And yet, at the same time, and maybe it's chicken and egg, maybe the reason why we're under so much pressure is also because the church seems to not only have given up the fight in a way,

01:06:13.100 but seems to be playing along.

01:06:16.100 Well, this is what I put to the jury, that the matter of the allegation, contraception, abortion, et cetera, by the silence, what we've had for 40 years is the silence.

01:06:43.100 That hardly ever contraception was mentioned.

01:06:48.100 And Catholics got the idea that contraception was not mentioned because contraception wasn't a bad thing. 0.86

01:06:57.100 Indeed, overwhelmingly, it was a good thing.

01:07:00.100 So you couldn't distinguish much.

01:07:02.100 In Catholics, contraceptive practice was very little different from non-catholics. 0.51

01:07:07.100 So it became, it was fully accepted.

01:07:14.100 And the great danger is that we're not going to crystallize, formalize this appalling behavior in a church, to make it formal.

01:07:24.100 And when you see this comment about the virus, this is disastrous.

01:07:37.100 These people, I mean, people should abstain in this circumstance.

01:07:45.100 It's common sense.

01:07:48.100 If a person is HIV positive, there's only one thing to do.

01:07:52.100 You can't risk your wife or your husband's life.

01:07:55.100 There's only one thing to do.

01:07:57.100 Yeah.

01:07:58.100 To abstain.

01:07:59.100 And this is what people should be told.

01:08:01.100 Yeah.

01:08:02.100 But if I can get back to the substance of the allegations.

01:08:07.100 On abortion, Holy Father said, we cannot insist on issues related to abortion, etc., etc.

01:08:19.100 Insist only on issues.

01:08:21.100 On another occasion, he said to Eugenio Scalfari in La Repubblica,

01:08:27.100 The most serious of the evils that afflict the world these days are youth unemployment,

01:08:32.100 and the loneliness of the elderly.

01:08:37.100 But to me, as a doctor again, it seems very strange that we mustn't speak so much about abortion.

01:08:47.100 Do the parents not realize that there have been 1.7 billion surgical abortions of little boys and little girls?

01:09:02.100 The population of India is 1.2 billion.

01:09:05.100 We've had 1.7 billion surgical abortions in which we're not going to talk about this.

01:09:14.100 In which little boys and more often little girls are decapitated, eviscerated, and dismembered.

01:09:22.100 We're not going to talk about that.

01:09:26.100 Just for some perspective, I think more than all the casualties from all wars combined.

01:09:33.100 Absolutely.

01:09:36.100 So insane.

01:09:37.100 We're not going to talk about it.

01:09:39.100 Right.

01:09:40.100 If we didn't talk about, I mean, how the Pope, Pius XII, talked about the war, the killing.

01:09:52.100 But it was small beer.

01:09:57.100 It's appalling cruelty.

01:10:01.100 Population control, another aspect, contraception, abortion, population control.

01:10:06.100 The Pontifical Academy of Science and Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences have endorsed the United Nations' proposed sustainable development goals.

01:10:16.100 And they include, the goals include access of children to abortion and contraception without parental knowledge.

01:10:23.100 Bishop Sarando, the head of these academies, says,

01:10:35.100 Because when you have education, we don't have children.

01:10:39.100 We don't have seven children.

01:10:41.100 We have six in our family. 0.92

01:10:44.100 What criminals we are.

01:10:47.100 Not only offending planned parenthood in the abortion lobby, we are offending Bishop Sarando.

01:10:59.100 We don't have seven children.

01:11:02.100 He goes on.

01:11:03.100 Maybe we have one child.

01:11:06.100 Two children.

01:11:07.100 No more.

01:11:08.100 Mm-hmm.

01:11:09.100 On his return from the Philippines, Pope Francis himself noted that population experts advised three children.

01:11:18.100 Mm-hmm.

01:11:19.100 What pressure on large families.

01:11:21.100 Bishop Sarando has been celebrated by Ted Turner, who is reportedly told journalists he would like to reduce the world's population by five billion, asking parents to only have one child for the next hundred years.

01:11:42.100 This is the level of insanity when these people are working in the Vatican.

01:11:51.100 Mm-hmm.

01:11:52.100 It is unimaginable.

01:11:53.100 Yeah.

01:11:54.100 Just for people to get an understanding of that, there have been more population, what we've called, and I think rightfully so, population control conferences at the Vatican, under the guise of sustainable development.

01:12:10.100 But there is a veritable parade of population controllers at the Vatican itself, including the father of population control himself, Paul Ehrlich.

01:12:22.100 Absolutely.

01:12:23.100 Absolutely.

01:12:24.100 Absolutely.

01:12:25.100 And Paul Ehrlich would not have been scandalized by Pope Francis saying that Catholics did not need to breed like rabbits. 0.62

01:12:39.100 Mm-hmm.

01:12:40.100 Exactly.

01:12:41.100 He would have been enthralled.

01:12:42.100 In fact, what he said to us when we interviewed him at LifeSite News, Paul Ehrlich told us that he was pleased with the direction Pope Francis was leading the church.

01:12:54.100 It's quite logical.

01:12:55.100 It's quite logical.

01:12:56.100 Mm-hmm.

01:12:57.100 Everything we are saying is logical, whether we hold the mirror up or we look at it straight.

01:13:01.100 Mm-hmm.

01:13:02.100 It depends on whether you have an inverted logic, back to the witches in Macbeth.

01:13:07.100 Now, what really hit the headlines on this extremely important flight from Rio was when Patricia Sorzahan, a journalist, said,

01:13:23.100 Speaking on behalf of Brazilians, in Brazil a law has been approved which extends the right of abortion and is allowed matrimony between persons of the same sex.

01:13:38.100 He just went to Brazil, poor Francis.

01:13:42.100 She went on, Why didn't you speak about this?

01:13:45.100 Mm-hmm.

01:13:47.100 The Holy Father evaded the answer.

01:13:57.100 I think she had three goals at getting the answer.

01:14:02.100 Indeed, she said, What is the position of your holiness?

01:14:06.100 Can you tell us?

01:14:07.100 And he said, That of the church.

01:14:10.100 That was his answer.

01:14:14.100 I found that, actually, that particular exchange quite amazing because Pope Francis has expressed more than once.

01:14:23.100 This interview was the first show of it, but he's expressed more than once when being asked to answer specific questions on the church's morality, particularly sexual morality.

01:14:34.100 He's deferred.

01:14:35.100 He won't give the answer.

01:14:36.100 If anything, he'll say, as he did here, you know, mine is the position of the church.

01:14:41.100 I'm a son of the church or something like that.

01:14:43.100 But refuses, actually, to give the teaching.

01:14:46.100 But not only that, he's often said, You know, I wouldn't want to interfere in another country's politics.

01:14:55.100 Yet it was the same flight where he criticized President Trump, who then wasn't president.

01:15:04.100 He was in the primaries.

01:15:05.100 And he talked about building walls.

01:15:07.100 Anybody who would build a wall and not a bridge is not a Christian. 1.00

01:15:11.100 Massive interference in a country's politics.

01:15:16.100 And yet he felt comfortable to do that and yet not speak on the issues where the church is actually supposed to speak on the issues of morality.

01:15:25.100 One of the many examples of this, the same Patricious Ozan said, Does your Holiness intend to confront the whole question of the gay lobby?

01:15:36.100 And he replied, If someone is gay and is searching for the Lord and has goodwill, then who am I to judge him? 0.91

01:15:45.100 When he met Juan Carlos Crutz, a Chilean victim of clerical sexual abuse, Crutz says, The Holy Father said, Juan Carlos, that your gay does not matter. 0.92

01:16:00.100 God made you like this and loves you like this. 0.98

01:16:02.100 I don't care.

01:16:03.100 Pope Francis promoted Cardinal Daniels, who said, I think it's a positive development that states are free

01:16:14.100 to open up civil marriages for gays.

01:16:19.100 On the issue of Juan Carlos Cruz, our last show talked to our own correspondent, Doug Mainwaring, who himself was in the homosexual lifestyle, came out of it.

01:16:32.100 And for him, this was such a shock.

01:16:34.100 We were in Rome when this statement came out.

01:16:37.100 And he was so taken aback by what Pope Francis had said to Juan Carlos Cruz, especially the fact that the Vatican wouldn't correct it somehow.

01:16:48.100 Because he talked about the grave harm this is doing to Catholics who are same-sex attracted.

01:16:55.100 And how much it pains them and scandalizes them who have clung to Christ, left this lifestyle which they know is so harmful for themselves because they lived it.

01:17:09.100 They understand it.

01:17:10.100 They know it better than anyone else.

01:17:12.100 And here is the Pope seemingly to give his blessing to it, to talk about how God made you this way and loves you this way.

01:17:22.100 If you remember also, he embraced not only his student, Yayo Grassi, when he came to America, but also Yayo Grassi's homosexual lover who also came to the audience to meet him.

01:17:36.100 Whether he might not think he is doing so, but by his example, by these words recorded and uncontested by the Vatican, he is indeed promoting homosexuality to the detriment of those who are same-sex attracted, ignoring the fact that this behavior leads to eternal damnation.

01:17:57.100 This is undermining the heroic struggle of good people, damages them.

01:18:10.100 There are people, many people who give up this behavior and struggle and struggle and sometimes with great suffering, great suffering.

01:18:21.100 To discourage them is a problem.

01:18:23.100 But it is not just Pope Francis, because I have previously called Cardinal Caspar as a witness of whether or not there is a revolution, but indeed I could call Cardinal Caspar on the matter of the revolution, because he said, if the majority of the people want homosexual unions, the state has a duty to recognize such.

01:18:45.100 So I called him twice.

01:18:47.100 And that would have been fine under JP II and Benedict, under whom Caspar was really sidelined.

01:18:54.100 If you remember the papacies, especially the end part of the papacy of JP II, and then throughout all Benedict's reign, Caspar was hardly ever heard of because he had been so sidelined.

01:19:04.100 It was like he was gone and done away with, and yet on day three of the papacy of Pope Francis, he talked about Cardinal Caspar being a theologian who read theology on his knees.

01:19:19.100 So it was incredibly startling, to me anyway, to hear that on day three of the papacy.

01:19:24.100 That was for me the first recognition of, oh my goodness, something is terribly wrong.

01:19:29.100 Well, absolutely.

01:19:34.100 I think Cardinal Caspar is a very able man.

01:19:41.100 Cardinal Subic, when told that the bishop, that the bishop, another bishop, would not give Holy Communion to lesbians and homosexuals in same-sex marriages, quote-unquote,

01:19:54.100 and said that that was not his policy.

01:19:59.100 And then Pope Francis subsequently named him Archbishop of Chicago.

01:20:05.100 And made him a Cardinal as well.

01:20:07.100 Made him a Cardinal.

01:20:09.100 Chief Davis affair is very well known in America.

01:20:13.100 You have spoken about Yayo Grassi, Pope's former student and his homosexual partner.

01:20:25.100 And then of course there is the other issue of this couple that underwent sex change,

01:20:40.100 a sex change operation.

01:20:43.100 I'm not quite sure of the detail of that work.

01:20:45.100 Do you remember what happened about that?

01:20:46.100 In 2015, the Pope invited this lesbian couple, one of whom had undergone what they call this exchange surgery.

01:20:57.100 She had lopped off her breasts and taken hormones to be able to grow facial hair. 1.00

01:21:03.100 And the Pope invited this so-called couple to the Vatican.

01:21:08.100 He called them married and happy.

01:21:11.100 And when we released it in 2015, it was very little believed, even though we had a photo of it.

01:21:17.100 I presume people thought we had doctored the photo or something.

01:21:20.100 But in 2016, actually, the Pope made reference to this and retold the story himself publicly on the plane in one of his famous in-flight press conferences.

01:21:30.100 So, another scandalous situation, in fact, where the Holy Father sort of took sides in the pronoun war, if you will. 0.93

01:21:39.100 There is, especially in America, a noted difficulty because do we refer to men who have removed their testicles and their genitalia 0.96

01:21:52.100 and try to make themselves look like women as a woman? 1.00

01:21:55.100 Or do we refer to them as God made them men?

01:21:59.100 And we know, I mean, chromosomally, biologically, it's obvious what they are, who they are, who they were created.

01:22:06.100 But, you know, this whole notion of you should be allowed to be whomever you want, God's laws don't matter.

01:22:12.100 And so, there's a war, if you will, between how do we address these people?

01:22:18.100 Do we call a man a man or do we give him his preferred pronoun of female, she, and do we call him her or whatever?

01:22:26.100 The Pope actually took sides in the pronoun war.

01:22:29.100 And he, because he said during that interview on the plane about this woman who, he tells the story of her as having changed her sex after the age of 22.

01:22:40.100 He says, she who was he, but is now she, or is now her.

01:22:50.100 This is so unbelievable and really does show the Pope himself to be a proponent in the sexual revolution.

01:23:03.100 Our Lord said, he made men and women, a man who would leave his parents and cleave his wife, two sexes, the son of God. 1.00

01:23:21.100 I think that has greater authority.

01:23:24.100 And this is a really, a profound point.

01:23:29.100 My own interest for many years has been in the area of parental rights.

01:23:34.100 And in Amoris, the TCA is very, very weak on parental rights.

01:23:41.100 It does mention parental rights.

01:23:43.100 But in the section on sex education, which is the vital area, there's no mention of parental rights.

01:23:56.100 And indeed a huge support for sex education.

01:24:00.100 To quote the Italian translation of Amoris the TCA, it's stronger than the English.

01:24:09.100 He says, si, alla educazione sessuale, si, enthusiasm.

01:24:15.100 The English is more restrained.

01:24:18.100 Indeed, the English audience is much more aware of the machinations of the population lobby than the Latin countries.

01:24:25.100 And much more concerned.

01:24:28.100 But is there any mention of the urgent need to defend parents' rights in the critical area of sex education?

01:24:38.100 No.

01:24:39.100 Is there any mention of chastity?

01:24:42.100 No.

01:24:43.100 But in 2014, Pope Francis did mention chastity, strangely enough, at this time of Brexit, in the European Parliament.

01:24:57.100 This was in 2014.

01:24:59.100 And he said, keeping democracy alive in Europe requires avoiding the many globalizing tendencies to dilute reality, namely angelic forms of purity, etc., etc.

01:25:14.100 Not only is incredible, it's very difficult to understand, let alone believe.

01:25:21.100 So what is, you know, when all of this is going on, what is a Catholic parent, perhaps with five children, sending them to a school to do when the parent, the child says,

01:25:35.100 But the teacher told me, the Pope wants me to have sex education.

01:25:41.100 That is the final marginalization of a parent.

01:25:47.100 By and large, we have found, and I speak with someone intimately involved in a parent's movement in thinking, that teachers are against parents.

01:25:58.100 Doctors are against parents.

01:26:01.100 The legal system is against parents.

01:26:04.100 Priests have hardly ever helped parents.

01:26:08.100 And here we are in a situation of little Jimmy being able to call the Pope against his parents.

01:26:20.100 We've talked a lot about the revolution now and how the revolution has now come right into the church, right into the heart of the church.

01:26:29.100 As I said, from the evidence that's been presented, even with the Pope himself.

01:26:35.100 So where do we go from here?

01:26:38.100 I think counter-revolution.

01:26:43.100 I think enough of this very evil culture of death.

01:26:52.100 Sister Lucia said that the final confrontation, and St. John Paul, the final confrontation would be about the family.

01:27:01.100 St. John Paul said the future of humanity, society, and the church depends on the family.

01:27:10.100 So the battle for the family is the battle for Holy Mother Church.

01:27:17.100 And the victory, the inevitable victory for the family, is a victory for the church.

01:27:25.100 And Our Lady is crushing Satan's head in this war for the family. 1.00

01:27:37.100 It's not something which is going to happen in many years' time.

01:27:41.100 It is happening now.

01:27:46.100 So I think that what we must really, we must regain our encouragement and enthusiasm, our hope.

01:27:57.100 And what I would propose is that we now cross the threshold of hope with the saint of the family, St. John Paul.

01:28:06.100 And it would be the best thing possible now to give him the last word on the topic.

01:28:14.100 Hmm.

01:28:15.100 Before we do that, I think that would be great.

01:28:18.100 I would love you to relate your encounter with John Paul II.

01:28:23.100 What encouraged you?

01:28:25.100 You've been in this battle for over 40 years, I believe it is.

01:28:30.100 Regrettably, yes.

01:28:33.100 But you had a very personal encounter with the saint of the family.

01:28:39.100 Would you mind telling us that story?

01:28:42.100 Well, in reality we had two encounters with him, one when he was dying, but one when he was young.

01:28:51.100 And it was the point in England in which the family, the primary right of the educator, had been restored, albeit for a short period.

01:29:09.100 And a number of friends and colleagues here said that I should go and tell the Pope, which was an absolutely absurd idea.

01:29:18.100 I mean, how in hell do you have a clue how you did this?

01:29:21.100 But we got a purge of familial and Trilatant and went to Rome. 0.98

01:29:25.100 And many things happened.

01:29:27.100 But we did meet the Holy Father.

01:29:35.100 And I'll tell you, perhaps a little more than I intended to.

01:29:39.100 The whole family were there, six children.

01:29:45.100 And we went into his chapel, thinking he would turn up.

01:29:48.100 We were invited to his Mass.

01:29:50.100 Thinking he'd turn up in 20 minutes.

01:29:52.100 And we walked in and we nearly walked on top of him.

01:29:54.100 He was kneeling at a pre-adieu.

01:29:57.100 And you could feel the prayer.

01:30:05.100 And indeed, I remember hearing with an atheist who was invited to Mass.

01:30:10.100 And he said this very strange phenomenon.

01:30:13.100 And we went to Mass.

01:30:20.100 And he was coming back.

01:30:22.100 Our youngest, Maria Benedicta, was just a baby.

01:30:26.100 To entertain her, had let her have empty her handbag.

01:30:31.100 It's a very small chapel.

01:30:33.100 And Pope John Paul was walking down.

01:30:38.100 And my wife looked, horrified that everything was strewn in front of her. 0.95

01:30:44.100 And he looked into her eye and my eye, really just to say,

01:30:51.100 You're in your father's house.

01:30:54.100 And this is a key word in all of this struggle, father.

01:30:59.100 And then we were ushered into his library.

01:31:07.100 And I thought, well, what in the earth do you say to him?

01:31:14.100 And so I knelt down and kissed his ring and said to him,

01:31:22.100 I didn't know what to say.

01:31:25.100 I said, Holy Father, thank you for protecting our families.

01:31:31.100 And he, for about 10, 15 seconds, he went totally silent.

01:31:37.100 And he looked deeply, deeply sad.

01:31:41.100 And then he changed.

01:31:42.100 It was like a thunderstorm.

01:31:44.100 And he had a look of rage on his face.

01:31:47.100 And he grabbed my shoulder and said, God bless your activities.

01:31:54.100 It's a very, very remarkable thing.

01:31:59.100 He was enraged.

01:32:00.100 And indeed, when you see this little clip at the end, you will see the same look of anger on his face.

01:32:10.100 And we had a great time with him.

01:32:13.100 He was so kind to everybody, to my wife, in great reverence for mothers and all of the family.

01:32:22.100 And at any rate, he was walking, he was leaving the library.

01:32:31.100 And it was very strange, because I was looking at his shoes.

01:32:36.100 And suddenly they turned around.

01:32:38.100 And he walked across the library on his own, and again grabbed my elbow, my shoulder, and said, again with a look of rage, God bless your activities, but with anger.

01:32:54.100 And then he stormed out.

01:32:56.100 And needless to say, our lives were changed.

01:33:03.100 It was evident that he was a great saint to the family, and such a lovely man.

01:33:14.100 And everything has followed from that.

01:33:20.100 It's just an anecdote, but it does express his passion for the defence, not just of the family,

01:33:32.100 but of families.

01:33:36.100 And it is families that are going to lead us out of this dark night in society and in the Church.

01:33:45.100 Thank you, Dr. Ward, for being with us on this episode of the John Henry Weston Show.

01:33:50.100 And as we close today, we're going to see that clip that Dr. Ward was talking about, about St. John Paul II encouraging families in the fight for the family.

01:34:04.100 And I pray, we pray that you and we might be encouraged once again to fight for the family, especially fathers, to fight for the family.

01:34:15.100 And take that rage, as Dr. Ward calls it, that you will see on the face of John Paul II.

01:34:24.100 And it's raging against sin and for the family.

01:34:28.100 Because with the victory of the family that will come, as we know, through Our Lady,

01:34:33.100 through Our Lady, it will be the victory for the Church and thus for society as well.

01:34:39.100 May God bless you.

01:34:42.100 Holy Church of God, you cannot do your mission.

01:34:48.100 You cannot accomplish your mission in the world except through the family and its mission.

01:35:00.100 We are submerged through the sacrament of water and the Holy Spirit,

01:35:10.100 submerged in the Paschal mystery of Christ.

01:35:17.100 In His death and resurrection, we are submerged to find the fullness of life.

01:35:30.100 And the fullness of life we must find in the dimension of the person.

01:35:35.100 But at the same time, in the dimension of the family, a communion of persons,

01:35:42.100 which carries and inspires with this novelty of life, the different environments, societies, peoples, cultures, social life, economic life.

01:35:56.100 All this for the family, yes.

01:35:59.100 You have to go to the entire world to tell everyone for the family, not at the expense of the family.

01:36:09.100 Tell everyone for the family, not at the expense of the family.

01:36:17.100 Hello, this is John Henry Weston.

01:36:22.100 I'd like to invite you to subscribe to the John Henry Weston Show YouTube channel if you haven't already done so.

01:36:28.100 There you will find all the past episodes and much more.

01:36:31.100 Thanks again for watching, and may God bless you.

01:36:47.100 We'll be right back.

The John-Henry Westen Show - September 24, 2019

The revolution has entered the Church

Episode Stats

Summary

Transcript